Stefan's Florilegium

SCA-notables-msg

SCA-noteables-msg - 4/12/01

20th century noteables in the SCA.

NOTE: See also the files: Drach-hist-msg, SCA-authors-msg, SCA-hist1-msg,
SCA-in-books-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, child-stories-msg, vanity-plates-msg.

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From: julifolo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (watkins julia k)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Otherworld, Colombia, Real Knight
Date: 20 Mar 1994 21:40:56 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

eirikr@astrid.UUCP (Mark B. Wroth) writes:

>I have a friend who is a real world knight and mentions it only to his
>close friends, because he does not see it as entering into the SCA. The
>Knight is in the Real world and his persona is in the SCA.

>Thoughts anyone?
> Lady Astridhr Selr Leifsdottir
>
Brusten de Bearsul (Patrick Smith) received a knighthood from the Crown
of, I believe, Belgium, because he helped win a canoe race once. He
was a member of the military and had to get congressional approval before
he could accept the honor (if I'm burbling stuff around, I hope someone
corrects it; it's been a long time since I've thought about this subject,
and you know what happens to old barons).

Anyway, he was at the time squired within the SCA. At SCA events, he
would appear as Lord Brusten, squire of Sir (Merald? any North Woodsers
out there who can answer these embarrassing lapses?); at post-revels &
the such, he would appear as Sir Patrick, with his squire, X. It was
all done in great fun and made great stories (especially when they
weren't screwed up by inadequate cranial RAM).

In other words, within the SCA, Brusten was not accorded any of the
homage & honor due a knight until he was knighted himself.

Yrs, Folo

From: Terry.Buyers@f7.n3624.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Terry Buyers)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: A question for King Morgan
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 22:19:48 -0500

In a msg on <Mar 17 17:07>, Mike Huber of mikeh@moci.uwm.edu writes:

MH> Organization: ICOM, Inc.

MH> x_wolf@vesper.emcmt.EDU wrote:
MH> : A response from the wrong Morgan-

MH> : Someone made the statement that, if the King or Prince of
MH> mundane Sweden : were to play, recognizing them as a King or
MH> Prince would violate Corpora. : I would like to say:
MH> : Milord, be real! If President Clinton showed up at an
MH> event, you'd : still refer to him as "Mr. President" or
MH> "President Clinton" right? Think

MH> If he simply showed up as a visitor, yes. But if he were a
MH> member, I would address him in his chosen persona. Similarly
MH> with any mundane royalty. There would likely be some
MH> crossover of respect and defference, but I would not withhold
MH> the courtesy I show all - to respect their chosen persona.

MH> Anaximander of Xidon

MH> : about it! If the King of Sweden was at the same event as the
MH> King of : Drachenwald (who has such a *great* name ;-),
MH> COMMON COURTESY requires : that His Swedish Majesty be
MH> recognized and treated as such. Making treaties, : declaring
MH> war, letting Him hold Court, THOSE are *bad* ideas.
MH> :
MH> : Morgan Wolf,
MH> : Hoping some mundane royalty does start to play
MH> : (what great P.R.! ;-)

Although my mundane titles are Duke and Count - depending on which side
of the family you look at, my SCA titles are Baron and Knight of the
Society - since those belong to the persona. Anything else is 'outside
the rules of the game'.

When Prince Charles plays polo hereabouts ( a silly game not at all like
buzkazi ) he is not the Prince as long as he is astride and the game is
on... rules of another game.

From: folo@prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: 20th-century notables in the SCA
Date: 9 May 1994 04:22:38 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I've read a lot of articles on Dik Browne (including some
marvelous anecdotes about him by his old friend, Mort
Walker in BACKSTAGE AT THE STRIPS) and had never heard
that he had been a member either of the SCA or of Markland.
Certainly this would have been mentioned in at least one
of the articles, since it would have been pertinent to his
creation of Hagar. Has anyone considered writing his sons?
or is there someone who saw him participate (I would assume
either in the East or in Trimaris)? There've been rumors
about him in the SCA going back twenty years, and I think
it would be interesting to find out.

A non-period aside: my favorite story about Browne, as
related by Mort Walker, was that Browne encountered a
blind man trying to cross a busy street. As Browne was
helping him, the blind man began to harangue Brown,
saying "Oh, you think you're such a good guy, helping
a poor blind man, so you can be nasty to people the
rest of the week..." So Browne walked the man into a
light post.

Yrs, Folo
--
Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - folo@prairinet.org
Baron Wurm Wald (MK) - Commander, Baldwin's Reg't, NWTA

From: sbloch@ms.uky.edu (Stephen Bloch)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: 20th-century notables in the SCA
Date: 7 May 1994 18:05:34 -0400
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Dik Browne, of Hagar the Horrible. Of course, I gather "Dik Browne" is
itself a pseudonym, so I have no idea and probably never shall who (s)he is
in the SCA.
--
Stephen Bloch
sbloch@s.ms.uky.edu

From: dickeney@access.digex.net (Dick Eney)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: 20th-century notables in the SCA
Date: 7 May 1994 23:05:37 -0400
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA

In article <2qh3be$6n8@s.ms.uky.edu>, Stephen Bloch <sbloch@ms.uky.edu> wrote:
>Dik Browne, of Hagar the Horrible. Of course, I gather "Dik Browne" is
>itself a pseudonym, so I have no idea and probably never shall who (s)he is
>in the SCA.
>
Dik Browne was certainly a member of Markland, whether or not he was in
the SCA. Some of the adventures Hagar has had afloat are based on
actual, though unlikely, things that have happened to the Marklanders'
replica longship, the FYRDRACA.

|-----Mandarin 2/c Vuong Manh, C.P. (dickeney@access.digex.net)-----|

From: axv0015@vaxd.isc.rit.edu (Andrew Veter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: YKYITSCA
Date: 10 Oct 1995 12:32:43 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <pmartin-0610951529450001@mac47.nursing.utas.edu.au>,
pmartin@postoffice.newnham.utas.edu.au (Peter Martin) writes:
>
> ALso, YKYITSCAW you realise that the last Superbowl was between West &
>Caid (49ers vs. San Diego, I think it was), not 2 Californian teams.
>
> Cormac the Traveller.

Or, you travel from Buffalo to the West and visit your friends at a Twelfth
Night. They are in the bar watching the 49ers game, but switch the channel to
watch the Bills now and again. Not for you but because Count Sir Glen, Knight of
Caid, is a starter on the offensive line. (Parker,#74)
Then there was the time Scooch was asked to leave by security at a
Sabres playoff game and we ended up with Parker in the Golds (best seats).
Anyone know of any other professional athletes in the SCA?

Ariel

From: liversen@physiology.medsch.ucla.edu (Lori Iversen)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: YKYITSCA
Date: 10 Oct 1995 18:16:52 GMT
Organization: UCLA

In article <45dp5b$23k@news.isc.rit.edu>, axv0015@vaxd.isc.rit.edu (Andrew
Veter) says:
>...Count Sir Glen, Knight of
>Caid, is a starter on the offensive line. (Parker,#74)
>
>Ariel

I could be wrong here, but I think they moved him to the defensive
line.

Chivalry-isn't-dead story: remember that Super Bowl where it came
down to a field goal, and the Bills kicker missed it by *that* much,
thereby losing the championship for the Bills? Can you imagine how
*awful* that placekicker must have felt? Can you imagine how ungenerous
the rest of the team must have felt towards him? Did anyone besides me
and Selene Colfox notice that the first (only?) guy to reach the kicker
and give him a "That's-OK-there's-always-next-year" squeeze was Earl
Sir Glen?

Sometimes prouder to be a Caidan than other times,
Alexis

% Lori Iversen
% The Valley, CA

From: cr751@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Brenda Fedun)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: December's Playgirl Centerfold
Date: 26 Nov 1996 16:55:27 GMT
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada

Yusef here, on Brenda's account

Okay, his name is Derek DeLuis, he is a peripheral member in
the Canton of Caldrithig (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) and he
bought some armour from me. He is a professional model, and
he shows off the armour just fine.
The belts and leather work was made by Jony Bouchard, an
artist in Quebec City. He does a lot of "live steel work",
and his armour is very effective. He likes to "texture" his
armour with a side grinder to make pictures in the steel.
This example is not his finest...the reflection of the light
is not quite right to make out the majestic eagle he ground
into the face of the belt buckle.
The mask and the spaulders were made by Marc-Andre Renauld,
of Gatineau Quebec. He also plays with live steel in Quebec
City, and he hangs around us when he comes home to the Ottawa
area...but doesn't fight with us. His armour is designed to
look "anthromorphic", to look like dragon's scales and such.
I think he did a great job!
The chain mail is my fault.

It is not everyday that such great armour gets into a
big international forum like Playgirl magazine. The SCA
gets a very brief mention (obviously to answer the question
where would you wear something like this?, but it is
patently obvious that it is not SCA legal to us, but not
to mundania.) All in all, not a bad venue.

Wassail to the armourers!

Yusef of South Tower
Caldrithig

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:15:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SC - just a question

<michael.gunter@fnc.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> > From a couple of comments on that haggis thread;
> has there ever been, either as
> > a member of the SCA or as a guest, someone with a
> mundane title playing with us?
> >
> > wajdi
>
> I remember reading some stories in Stefan's
> Floriegium about some folks. One I
> know is a real life English Duke but a knight in the
> Society. I'm sure there are others.
>
> Gunthar

Caid had a real French Count playing here for about 6
months. His mundane job had sent him to Calif. for
some job. That would have been about 20 years ago. I
don't know if he ever continued in the SCA when he
went back to France.

Huette

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:54:23 -0500
From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy@asan.com>
Subject: Re: SC - just a question

"Alderton, Philippa" wrote:
> As I understand it, there have been quite a few folks with mundane titles
> playing with us, including, as I recall a Prince of Sweden (?)
>
> I was recently in correspondence with a guy who had had a title fron
> Lichtenstein, and he gave it up when he acheived US citizenship. If you're
> interested, I'll forward you our correspondence.

Now that I think of it, I vaguely recall one of our Eastern dukes is a
Knight of Malta or something like that, and when offered the white belt
of SCAdian knighthood had to turn it down because he was already in fealty...

Adamantius

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:16:56 -0500
From: Kay Loidolt <mmkl@indy.net>
Subject: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #1894-Mundane Nobles

>has there ever been, either as a member of the SCA or as a guest,
>someone with a mundane title playing with us? wajdi

Johann von Metten/Marcus Loidolt humblely responds:
Ah, well, ah, um, yes, there are mundanely titled people living among
you. Until this past year I was titled 'Baron von Gussen'. There are
others I know of, at least 8 knights, English and French, 2 German
Princes and an Italian Count. Oh, yes, and an English/Scots Laird,
though I can't remember his name right now. (Though I suppose as English
he scarcely really counts as noble does he?!?)

The title was given to me when I inherited it from my great uncle on my
fathers side. It was established in 1140 by the Emperor to sustain those
members of the Hapsburgs who entered into the secular clergy, thus it is
passed down to the next ranking clergyman in the family and then the
state of Liechtenstein.

I resigned the title in favor of my cousin because I was becoming a US
citizen and no longer felt 'called' to fulfill the office. Besides,
after 1998 the Diet and Prince had 'relieved' the Baron of land and
judicial power and had made it merely an honor on the highest ranking
clergyman in the Principality, regardless of family.

Several years ago, when I was still titled, I took my great-aunt, Maria
Terese, Grafin von Schellenburg, to a Drachenwald Coronet Tourney, in
Cleves,(Ivarr was Prince) I think, and she enjoyed herself immensely!!
Though she never really 'joined' on her own, she did pay for a
membership and all. She never did develop a persona, but retained her
mundane title and simply 'dressed up in period clothes' she even made
her retainers (secretary, page, ladies maid, and chaffeur) dress up in
antique livery!! I think we went to 5 events before she became too ill
and died a while back. She remembered those times happily!

Johann von Metten/ (of late, Baron Ritter) Marcus Johannes Karl Franz
Josef Loidolt, (von Leichtenstien, von Gussen XVII)

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:54:29 -0500
From: Kay Loidolt <mmkl@indy.net>
Subject: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #1898-David's Coronet

"Laura C. Minnick" wrote:
I've seen the coronet! On his head and on Bill's website! The Crown
Jewels of Russia have nothing on that thing!

Johann von Metten replies:
Well, Ive just went to that page and it is a spiff coro!!
I wish the 'GussenKron' was that simple!! My old coronet looks like a
Victorian/Roccoco jamboree!! I don't have a pic. to put up to show
anyone yet and I'm not sure I will!!

It has a white/yellow gold greek key design band and two cross pieces,
in the same design. At each of the six points it has an 'enraged' goose
with ruby eyes, sitting on a pearl egg!!! Under the cross pieces are
eight more teardrop pearls and a cap of maintainance of red and purple.

I always loathed that thing and seeing it go was one of the greatest
joys of my life!! I tried in vain to convince the Prince and Diet to
allow me to either renovate it, or at least commision one more to a
personal liking, more simple(medieval) and more seeming for a clerical
peer. They refused on the grounds of historical value! Oh well, it's not
mine anymore!!! May Hans wear it in peace for many happy years!!

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:50:06 -0800
From: "Laura C. Minnick" <lcm@efn.org>
Subject: Re: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #1894-Mundane Nobles

Anne-Marie Rousseau wrote:
> Baron Master David of Moffet of An Tir, I believe, is some sort of
> inherited title (at least his checks say he's David of somethingorother).
> Figures, he's a herald....:)
>
> --Anne-Marie

A title and cute, too. Sigh.

Still taken,
'Lainie

From: "Trish Kvamme" <ladyoftherose@hotmail.com>
To: ansteorra@ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: ANST - SCA PEERS
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:11:00 GMT

ladyoftherose@hotmail.com writes:
<< professional football *grin*

what is his real name and team. >>

His real name is Glen Parker and he plays currently for the Kansas City
Chiefs, prior to that he played number 74 for the Buffalo Bills for many
years (more than 5 that I remember). I think he is in his early thirties
now :).

My daughter Tressa is named after his Queen, Tressa Helena Beauramis.

Larissa

From: "Keith Ewing" <kein@austintx.net>
To: <ansteorra@ansteorra.org>
Subject: ANST - Famous people in the SCA
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:04:04 -0500

Henry Thomas (ET, Legends of the Fall, Valmont) played SCA in Bjornsburg
about 10 years ago. He went by the name Tomas and was Iolo's cadet. Not myth
or legend. I've fenced with him and drank with him.
Don't know of any others for sure, unless Richard Garriott qualifies as
famous.

Kein

Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:43:31 -0500
From: Michael Tucker <michaelt@neosoft.com>
To: ansteorra@ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: ANST - Famous people in the SCA

Greetings from Michael Silverhands:
Henry Thomas (kitsca as "Tomas") is an actor. Those things Duke Kein named are
films. He played the lead role (the little boy Elliott) in the film "E.T. the
Extra-Terrestrial" (1982), and has appeared with distinction in many roles
since. For more information and some screen shots, see
<http://www.rci.rutger.edu/~amyt/ht>. His official Web site is
<http://www.henrythomas.com>.

Yours,
Michael

From: "Chiara" <chiara@io.com>
To: <ansteorra@ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: ANST - Famous people in the SCA
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:14:54 -0500

Well, there are two that have been missed. But then if you knew them
personally like many on this list do it easy to understand. Steve Jackson
and Bob Asprin. Steve was a Baron in Bryn Gwlad and one of the originators
of the bylaws that SCA Inc started out with. His name and Monica Stephen's
are on many a TI. He made national headlines when his place of business was
raided by the Secret Service. My husband had to testify at that hearing and
his testimony was what won Steve the case.

Bob is a famous writer. My favorite book is Tambu, an obscure little known
book, it is his personal favorite. He was a Mongol in the SCA, not a very
nice one but period none the less. :)

Sincerely,
Franchesca Havas
McKinney,

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