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SCA-noteables-msg - 12/3/08


20th century noteables in the SCA.


NOTE: See also the files: Drach-hist-msg, SCA-authors-msg, SCA-hist1-msg, SCA-in-books-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, child-stories-msg, vanity-plates-msg.





This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.


This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org


I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter.


The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors.


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    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

                                          Stefan at florilegium.org



From: julifolo at ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (watkins julia k)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Otherworld, Colombia, Real Knight

Date: 20 Mar 1994 21:40:56 GMT

Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


eirikr at astrid.UUCP (Mark B. Wroth) writes:


>I have a friend who is a real world knight and mentions it only to his

>close friends, because he does not see it as entering into the SCA.  The

>Knight is in the Real world and his persona is in the SCA.


>Thoughts anyone?

>                                      Lady Astridhr Selr Leifsdottir


Brusten de Bearsul (Patrick Smith) received a knighthood from the Crown

of, I believe, Belgium, because he helped win a canoe race once. He

was a member of the military and had to get congressional approval before

he could accept the honor (if I'm burbling stuff around, I hope someone

corrects it; it's been a long time since I've thought about this subject,

and you know what happens to old barons).


Anyway, he was at the time squired within the SCA. At SCA events, he

would appear as Lord Brusten, squire of Sir (Merald? any North Woodsers

out there who can answer these embarrassing lapses?); at post-revels &

the such, he would appear as Sir Patrick, with his squire, X. It was

all done in great fun and made great stories (especially when they

weren't screwed up by inadequate cranial RAM).


In other words, within the SCA, Brusten was not accorded any of the

homage & honor due a knight until he was knighted himself.


Yrs, Folo



From: Terry.Buyers at f7.n3624.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Terry Buyers)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: A question for King Morgan

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 22:19:48 -0500


In a msg on <Mar 17 17:07>, Mike Huber of mikeh at moci.uwm.edu  writes:


MH> Organization: ICOM, Inc.


MH> x_wolf at vesper.emcmt.EDU wrote:

MH> : A response from the wrong Morgan-


MH> : Someone made the statement that, if the King or Prince of

MH> mundane Sweden : were to play, recognizing them as a King or

MH> Prince would violate Corpora. : I would like to say:  

MH> :        Milord, be real!  If President Clinton showed up at an

MH> event, you'd : still refer to him as "Mr. President" or

MH> "President Clinton" right?  Think


MH> If he simply showed up as a visitor, yes.  But if he were a

MH> member, I would address him in his chosen persona. Similarly

MH> with any mundane royalty.  There would likely be some

MH> crossover of respect and defference, but I would not withhold

MH> the courtesy I show all - to respect their chosen persona.


MH> Anaximander of Xidon


MH> : about it!  If the King of Sweden was at the same event as the

MH> King of : Drachenwald (who has such a *great* name ;-),

MH> COMMON COURTESY requires : that His Swedish Majesty be

MH> recognized and treated as such.  Making treaties, : declaring

MH> war, letting Him hold Court, THOSE are *bad* ideas.  

MH> :              

MH> :               Morgan Wolf,

MH> :               Hoping some mundane royalty does start to play

MH> :               (what great P.R.! ;-)


Although my mundane titles are Duke and Count - depending on which side

of the family you look at, my SCA titles are Baron and Knight of the

Society - since those belong to the persona. Anything else is 'outside

the rules of the game'.


When Prince Charles plays polo hereabouts ( a silly game not at all like

buzkazi ) he is not the Prince as long as he is astride and the game is

on... rules of another game.



From: folo at prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: 20th-century notables in the SCA

Date: 9 May 1994 04:22:38 GMT

Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


I've read a lot of articles on Dik Browne (including some

marvelous anecdotes about him by his old friend, Mort

Walker in BACKSTAGE AT THE STRIPS) and had never heard

that he had been a member either of the SCA or of Markland.

Certainly this would have been mentioned in at least one

of the articles, since it would have been pertinent to his

creation of Hagar. Has anyone considered writing his sons?

or is there someone who saw him participate (I would assume

either in the East or in Trimaris)? There've been rumors

about him in the SCA going back twenty years, and I think

it would be interesting to find out.


A non-period aside: my favorite story about Browne, as

related by Mort Walker, was that Browne encountered a

blind man trying to cross a busy street. As Browne was

helping him, the blind man began to harangue Brown,

saying "Oh, you think you're such a good guy, helping

a poor blind man, so you can be nasty to people the

rest of the week..." So Browne walked the man into a

light post.


Yrs, Folo


Damin de Folo    -    F.L.Watkins    -    folo at prairinet.org

Baron Wurm Wald (MK)  -  Commander, Baldwin's Reg't, NWTA



From: sbloch at ms.uky.edu (Stephen Bloch)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: 20th-century notables in the SCA

Date: 7 May 1994 18:05:34 -0400

Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences


Dik Browne, of Hagar the Horrible.  Of course, I gather "Dik Browne" is

itself a pseudonym, so I have no idea and probably never shall who (s)he is

in the SCA.


                                      Stephen Bloch

                                  sbloch at s.ms.uky.edu



From: dickeney at access.digex.net (Dick Eney)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: 20th-century notables in the SCA

Date: 7 May 1994 23:05:37 -0400

Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA


In article <2qh3be$6n8 at s.ms.uky.edu>, Stephen Bloch <sbloch at ms.uky.edu> wrote:

>Dik Browne, of Hagar the Horrible.  Of course, I gather "Dik Browne" is

>itself a pseudonym, so I have no idea and probably never shall who (s)he is

>in the SCA.


Dik Browne was certainly a member of Markland, whether or not he was in

the SCA.  Some of the adventures Hagar has had afloat are based on

actual, though unlikely, things that have happened to the Marklanders'

replica longship, the FYRDRACA.


|-----Mandarin 2/c Vuong Manh, C.P. (dickeney at access.digex.net)-----|



From: axv0015 at vaxd.isc.rit.edu (Andrew Veter)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca


Date: 10 Oct 1995 12:32:43 GMT

Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology


In article <pmartin-0610951529450001 at mac47.nursing.utas.edu.au>,

pmartin at postoffice.newnham.utas.edu.au (Peter Martin) writes:


>   ALso, YKYITSCAW you realise that the last Superbowl was between West &

>Caid (49ers vs. San Diego, I think it was), not 2 Californian teams.


>                                             Cormac the Traveller.


    Or, you travel from Buffalo to the West and visit your friends at a Twelfth

Night. They are in the bar watching the 49ers game, but switch the channel to

watch the Bills now and again. Not for you but because Count Sir Glen, Knight of

Caid, is a starter on the offensive line. (Parker,#74)

    Then there was the time Scooch was asked to leave by security at a

Sabres playoff game and we ended up with Parker in the Golds (best seats).

    Anyone know of any other professional athletes in the SCA?





From: liversen at physiology.medsch.ucla.edu (Lori Iversen)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: YKYITSCA

Date: 10 Oct 1995 18:16:52 GMT

Organization: UCLA


In article <45dp5b$23k at news.isc.rit.edu>, axv0015 at vaxd.isc.rit.edu (Andrew Veter) says:

>...Count Sir Glen, Knight of

>Caid, is a starter on the offensive line. (Parker,#74)




I could be wrong here, but I think they moved him to the defensive



Chivalry-isn't-dead story:  remember that Super Bowl where it came

down to a field goal, and the Bills kicker missed it by *that* much,

thereby losing the championship for the Bills?  Can you imagine how

*awful* that placekicker must have felt?  Can you imagine how ungenerous

the rest of the team must have felt towards him?  Did anyone besides me

and Selene Colfox notice that the first (only?) guy to reach the kicker

and give him a "That's-OK-there's-always-next-year" squeeze was Earl

Sir Glen?


Sometimes prouder to be a Caidan than other times,



% Lori Iversen  

% The Valley, CA  



From: cr751 at FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Brenda Fedun)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: December's Playgirl Centerfold

Date: 26 Nov 1996 16:55:27 GMT

Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada


Yusef here, on Brenda's account


Okay, his name is Derek DeLuis, he is a peripheral member in

the Canton of Caldrithig (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) and he

bought some armour from me.  He is a professional model, and

he shows off the armour just fine.

    The belts and leather work was made by Jony Bouchard, an

artist in Quebec City.  He does a lot of "live steel work",

and his armour is very effective.  He likes to "texture" his

armour with a side grinder to make pictures in the steel.

This example is not his finest...the reflection of the light

is not quite right to make out the majestic eagle he ground

into the face of the belt buckle.  

    The mask and the spaulders were made by Marc-Andre Renauld,

of Gatineau Quebec.  He also plays with live steel in Quebec

City, and he hangs around us when he comes home to the Ottawa

area...but doesn't fight with us.  His armour is designed to

look "anthromorphic", to look like dragon's scales and such.

I think he did a great job!

   The chain mail is my fault.


    It is not everyday that such great armour gets into a

big international forum like Playgirl magazine.  The SCA

gets a very brief mention (obviously to answer the question

where would you wear something like this?, but it is

patently obvious that it is not SCA legal to us, but not

to mundania.)  All in all, not a bad venue.


    Wassail to the armourers!


Yusef of South Tower




Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:15:25 -0800 (PST)

From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: SC - just a question


<michael.gunter at fnc.fujitsu.com> wrote:

> > From a couple of comments on that haggis thread;

> has there ever been, either as

> > a member of the SCA or as a guest, someone with a

> mundane title playing with us?

> >

> > wajdi


> I remember reading some stories in Stefan's

> Floriegium about some folks. One I

> know is a real life English Duke but a knight in the

> Society. I'm sure there are others.


> Gunthar


Caid had a real French Count playing here for about 6

months.  His mundane job had sent him to Calif. for

some job.  That would have been about 20 years ago.  I

don't know if he ever continued in the SCA when he

went back to France.





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:54:23 -0500

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - just a question


"Alderton, Philippa" wrote:

> As I understand it, there have been quite a few folks with mundane titles

> playing with us, including, as I recall a Prince of Sweden (?)


> I was recently in correspondence with a guy who had had a title fron

> Lichtenstein, and he gave it up when he acheived US citizenship. If you're

> interested, I'll forward you our correspondence.


Now that I think of it, I vaguely recall one of our Eastern dukes is a

Knight of Malta or something like that, and when offered the white belt

of SCAdian knighthood had to turn it down because he was already in fealty...





Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:16:56 -0500

From: Kay Loidolt <mmkl at indy.net>

Subject: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #1894-Mundane Nobles


>has there ever been, either as a member of the SCA or as a guest,

>someone with a mundane title playing with us? wajdi


Johann von Metten/Marcus Loidolt humblely responds:

Ah, well, ah, um, yes, there are mundanely titled people living among

you. Until this past year I was titled 'Baron von Gussen'. There are

others I know of, at least 8 knights, English and French, 2 German

Princes and an Italian Count. Oh, yes, and an English/Scots Laird,

though I can't remember his name right now. (Though I suppose as English

he scarcely really counts as noble does he?!?)


The title was given to me when I inherited it from my great uncle on my

fathers side. It was established in 1140 by the Emperor to sustain those

members of the Hapsburgs who entered into the secular clergy, thus it is

passed down to the next ranking clergyman in the family and then the

state of Liechtenstein.


I resigned the title in favor of my cousin because I was becoming a US

citizen and no longer felt 'called' to fulfill the office. Besides,

after 1998 the Diet and Prince had 'relieved' the Baron of land and

judicial power and had made it merely an honor on the highest ranking

clergyman in the Principality, regardless of family.


Several years ago, when I was still titled, I took my great-aunt, Maria

Terese, Grafin von Schellenburg, to a Drachenwald Coronet Tourney, in

Cleves,(Ivarr was Prince) I think, and she enjoyed herself immensely!!

Though she never really 'joined' on her own, she did pay for a

membership and all. She never did develop a persona, but retained her

mundane title and simply 'dressed up in period clothes' she even made

her retainers (secretary, page, ladies maid, and chaffeur) dress up in

antique livery!! I think we went to 5 events before she became too ill

and died a while back. She remembered those times happily!


Johann von Metten/ (of late, Baron Ritter) Marcus Johannes Karl Franz

Josef Loidolt, (von Leichtenstien, von Gussen XVII)



Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:54:29 -0500

From: Kay Loidolt <mmkl at indy.net>

Subject: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #1898-David's Coronet


"Laura C. Minnick" wrote:

I've seen the coronet! On his head and on Bill's website! The Crown

Jewels of Russia have nothing on that thing!


Johann von Metten replies:

Well, Ive just went to that page and it is a spiff coro!!

I wish the 'GussenKron' was that simple!! My old coronet looks like a

Victorian/Roccoco jamboree!! I don't have a pic. to put up to show

anyone yet and I'm not sure I will!!


  It has a white/yellow gold greek key design band and two cross pieces,

in the same design. At each of the six points it has an 'enraged' goose

with ruby eyes, sitting on a pearl egg!!! Under the cross pieces are

eight more teardrop pearls and a cap of maintainance of red and purple.


I always loathed that thing and seeing it go was one of the greatest

joys of my life!!  I tried in vain to convince the Prince and Diet to

allow me to either renovate it, or at least commision one more to a

personal liking, more simple(medieval) and more seeming for a clerical

peer. They refused on the grounds of historical value! Oh well, it's not

mine anymore!!! May Hans wear it in peace for many happy years!!



Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:50:06 -0800

From: "Laura C. Minnick" <lcm at efn.org>

Subject: Re: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #1894-Mundane Nobles


Anne-Marie Rousseau wrote:

> Baron Master David of Moffet of An Tir, I believe, is some sort of

> inherited title (at least his checks say he's David of somethingorother).

> Figures, he's a herald....:)


> --Anne-Marie


A title and cute, too. Sigh.


Still taken,




From: "Trish Kvamme" <ladyoftherose at hotmail.com>

To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: ANST - SCA PEERS

Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:11:00 GMT


ladyoftherose at hotmail.com writes:

<< professional football *grin*


what is his real name and team. >>


His real name is Glen Parker and he plays currently for the Kansas City

Chiefs, prior to that he played number 74 for the Buffalo Bills for many

years (more than 5 that I remember).  I think he is in his early thirties

now :).


My daughter Tressa is named after his Queen, Tressa Helena Beauramis.





From: "Keith Ewing" <kein at austintx.net>

To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>

Subject: ANST - Famous people in the SCA

Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:04:04 -0500


Henry Thomas (ET, Legends of the Fall, Valmont) played SCA in Bjornsburg

about 10 years ago. He went by the name Tomas and was Iolo's cadet. Not myth

or legend. I've fenced with him and drank with him.

Don't know of any others for sure, unless Richard Garriott qualifies as






Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:43:31 -0500

From: Michael Tucker <michaelt at neosoft.com>

To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: ANST - Famous people in the SCA


Greetings from Michael Silverhands:

Henry Thomas (kitsca as "Tomas") is an actor. Those things Duke Kein named are

films. He played the lead role (the little boy Elliott) in the film "E.T. the

Extra-Terrestrial" (1982), and has appeared with distinction in many roles

since. For more information and some screen shots, see

<http://www.rci.rutger.edu/~amyt/ht>;. His official Web site is <http://www.henrythomas.com>.






From: "Chiara" <chiara at io.com>

To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: ANST - Famous people in the SCA

Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:14:54 -0500


Well, there are two that have been missed. But then if you knew them

personally like many on this list do it easy to understand. Steve Jackson

and Bob Asprin. Steve was a Baron in Bryn Gwlad and one of the originators

of the bylaws that SCA Inc started out with. His name and Monica Stephen's

are on many a TI. He made national headlines when his place of business was

raided by the Secret Service. My husband had to testify at that hearing and

his testimony was what won Steve the case.


Bob is a famous writer. My favorite book is Tambu, an obscure little known

book, it is his personal favorite. He was a Mongol in the SCA, not a very

nice one but period none the less. :)



Franchesca Havas




Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:38:49 -0400

From: "Sharon Gordon" <gordonse at one.net>

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Italian Pottery Laurel wins major modern

        scientific   award

To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


Italian Pottery Laurel, Mistress Matilda Hanscombe, who also does amazing

research in modern life as a University of Louisville neuroscientist, has

received a 2004 Presidential Early Career Award for Scientists and

Engineers, marking her as one of the country's most-promising  

researchers in

her field.






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