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Authors who have been/are SCA members.

 

NOTE: See also the files: placename-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, SCA-hist1-msg,

SCA-noteables-msg, SCA-in-books-msg, vanity-plates-msg.

 

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messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.

 

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ds4p+ at andrew.cmu.edu (David Schroeder) writes:

> "What are the expectations on peers over the course of their SCA lives?"

>Chivalry are not expected to be super-hot fighters into their 70's and 80's

>(though I hear we have a number of skilled fighters in their 50's and 60's).

 

An anecdote:  When Sir Bela of Eastmarch decided that life was tooo

busy to continue to be active in the SCA, and that age made it

impossible to continue to fight actively--he decided to "hang up his

spurs."  At that time he offered to retire from his Knighthood.  This

offer of retirement of rank was declined.  He is *still* a Knight--and

a highly respected one by all who know him.  While he may no longer

fight, he remains a source of sage advice and retains tales of the

earliest days of the Society. For those unfamiliar with the gentleman

in question--the rest of the time you may know him as Poul Anderson.

 

        --Hal

 

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom

        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706,  415/524-8321 (home)

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Date: 15 Jun 92

From: whheydt at pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

 

Mark Silverdragon writes:

>This is not to the good and courteous gentles of the Rialto . . .

>       b) most (I believe) of the founders were (may I remind you

>            of Sir Bela of Eastmarch, Poul Anderson, author and fan);

 

I the same vein--

 

        Lord Randall of Hightower (Randall Garrett)

        Mistress Elfrid of Greewalls (Marion Zimmer Bradley)

        Mistress Diana Listmaker (Diana Paxson)

        Countess Bevan Frazier of Sterling (Katherine Kurtz)

 

Just to name some of the better known authors that have been in the

SCA at times.

 

        --Hal

 

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom

        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)

 

 

From: whh at PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)

Date: 13 Apr 90 02:08:46 GMT

Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

 

bloch at mandrill.UUCP (Steve Bloch) writes:

>mittle at blinn.UUCP (Josh Mittleman (Arval)) quoteth me:

>Before I am overly flamed for posting such a rumor as fact, I have

>just as much direct evidence for the membership of Poul Anderson,

>Marion Zimmer Bradley, and Robert Asprin; I have never (to my

>knowledge) met any of them personally, nor seen any writings (under

>their mundane names) discussing the SCA explicitly.

 

Robert Aspirin == Yang the Nauseating

Marion Zimmer Bradley == Elfrida of Greenwalls

Poul Anderson == Sir Bela of Eastmarch

  (Read the forward to the revised edition of "The BRoken Sword"

   for a direct reference. In addition, his wife--Karen Anderson,

   aka Mistress Karina of the Far West--is a former Vesper Princiopal

   Herald and a former Lady Laurel Queen of Arms.  In the early days

   of the Society, titles of heralds--Laurel, Vesper, Clarion, Greencloak,

   etc.--went with the person, not the job.  Vesper was set up for Karina.)

 

If you want *really* explicit references--read Niven and Barnes "Dream

Park"  (Niven was active at one time.  His son used to get in trouble

for wandering onto the field at inopertune times . . .)  The there is

always "Murder at the War" by Mary Monica Pulver, which is set *explicitly*

at Pennsic.  There is a book being brought out in August by Baen Books

called "The Interior Life" by Catherine Blake that is supposed to have

some explicit (though minor) SCA references.

 

     --Hal

 

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom

        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706,  415/524-8321 (home)

 

 

rom: whh at PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)

Date: 15 Apr 90 07:12:03 GMT

Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

 

Previously, I referenced Larry Niven as a former member of the

Society.  This in incorrect. The prerson I was thinking of--because

he is so often associated with Niven--is Jerry Pournelle.  His name

within the Society was Jerome McKenna or something similar.

 

Further (which wwould tip off anyyone with the relevant data), it

was Pournelle's son that got chased off the field by heralds. (Niven

has no children.)

 

My apologies to anyone misled by my error.

 

    --Hal

 

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom

        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706,  415/524-8321 (home)

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From: mittle at blinn.watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)

Date: 15 Apr 90 17:40:11 GMT

Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research, NY

 

To add to the list:

 

>Robert Aspirin == Yang the Nauseating

>Marion Zimmer Bradley == Elfrida of Greenwalls

>Poul Anderson == Sir Bela of Eastmarch

> Niven was active at one time.

> "Murder at the War" by Mary Monica Pulver

 

Katherine Kurtz == Countess Bevin Fraser of Stirling

Esther Freisner == Lady Ursula de Santiago y Galiciano

 

Another author who explicitly refers to the SCA is Christopher

Stasheff, in Escape Velocity the "prequel" to his Wizard series.  I

have been told that he was never actually in the SCA, but wrote the

first and best of those books, The Warlock in Spite of Himself,

without ever having encountered us, and only later discovered what he

hath wrought.

 

I have always assumed that Patricia MacKennely, Vonda MacIntire, and

most of the authors of short stories in the Sanctuary series had dealt

with the SCA in one way or another.

 

        Arval.

 

 

From:    "Jan Janowicz Bogdanski"

To:      Wilson Heydt

Date: 17-Apr-90 08:40am

Subject: Re: SCA authors

 

Just as extra evidence for you, my mundane sister has met Marion Zimmer

Bradley and she did indeed belong to the SCA.  She has since become inactive.

One reason she sited was that she is afraid someon is going to get seriously

injured at Crown.  I'm just repeating what I was told.

An author not to forget is Katherine Kurtz (Bevin Frasier (sp?) of Sterling).

She's now in Ireland, or some such, now, though.

Yours in Service,

Pan Jan

 

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From:    Ioseph of Locksley

To:      All

16-Apr-90 09:00am

Subject: SCA Authors

 

In re: Authors who are also SCA members:

Add: Rick Cook: Count Richard Ironsteed (no longer active)

 

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From: samlb at pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Sam Bassett RCD)

Date: 16 Apr 90 04:06:48 GMT

Organization: Old, used Steward (Thanks, Flieg)

 

        And then there are Peter Beagle's two books -- if he hasn't been

hanging around the Principality of the Mists sometime, I am a six-toed

frog!

 

 

From: well!jeannec at APPLE.COM ("Jeanne C. Stapleton")

Date: 16 Apr 90 16:20:36 GMT

Organization: Society for Creative Anachronism

 

Greetings to all from Berengaria:

I'm afraid I don't know how to do the nifty little trick that allows you to

quote earlier postings verbatim at length (color me ignorant - :-)), but

there have been a couple of postings about the membership of Poul Anderson

and Marion Zimmer Bradley in the SCA.

Poul Anderson is Sir Bela of Eastmarch; he and his wife, Karen, currenlty

live over in Orinda, CA (in the hills of the East Bay).  Karen has been known

to turn up at BART practice once in a blue moon; I haven't seen Sir Bela

since a Samhein in Madrone when he sat down next to me at a bardic and began

nibbling my ear.  (:-) - what can I say, he's a friendly guy!)  

Marion Zimmer Bradley lives at the other end of my block (Crown Prince and

Crown Princess at one end--famous sf author at the other...it's an inter-

esting neighborhood).  I'm surprised this one has gotten lost from oral

history:  MZB is the person who coined the name, "Society for Creative

Anachronism".  Her persona name is Elfrida of Greenwalls, and there's a

sign on her fence, "Greenwalls".  She hasn't been around the SCA in quite

a while, but her daughter, Moira, drifts through BART practice, also once in

a blue moon.

Berengaria de Montfort of Carcassonne

jeannec at well.sf.ca.us

 

 

From: whh at PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)

Date: 16 Apr 90 19:03:49 GMT

Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

 

In article <47475 at ames.arc.nasa.gov> samlb at pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Sam Bassett

RCD) writes:

>       And then there are Peter Beagle's two books -- if he hasn't been

>hanging around the Principality of the Mists sometime, I am a six-toed

>frog!

 

Repeat after me, Sam'l: "Ribbit!"

 

Beagle--by repute--encountered the SCA at Baycon (1968?) and then

studiously avoided us for the ensuing 20 years while he mulled over

what he wanted to write.  he didn't want to "contaminate" his ideas

with the reality.  As Hilary has remarked on occasion--"_Folk of the

Air_ is what the Society might have become."  (It is a logical result

from what he saw then--but it isn't the way we wound up going. . . .)

 

     --Hal

 

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom

 

 

From: samlb at pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Sam Bassett RCD)

Date: 17 Apr 90 19:51:35 GMT

Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Mtn Vw CA 94035

 

Ioseph.of.Locksley at f29.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Ioseph of Locksley) writes:

>In re: Authors who are also SCA members:

>Add: Rick Cook: Count Richard Ironsteed (no longer active)

 

        Whose arms, if I remember rightly, were: "BMW, reversed"!

 

I cited Asprin because his activity *is* well known.  I cited Anderson

and Bradley because I know them--and have seen them around the Society

in years past.  In particular, in the past I've helped around the

Eastmarch encampment and my household is part of theirs.  Indeed--

when my Lady and I were married in 1971, the reception was held on the

Anderson's side lawn and Karen cooked a lot of the food.  (She cooks

a wonderful cockatrice . . .)

 

       --Hal

 

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom

        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706,  415/524-8321 (home)

 

 

From: dlc at hpfcda.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)

Date: 19 Apr 90 16:46:16 GMT

Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO

 

Hi again folks..

 

  I can't believe that no one has mentioned Christopher Stasheffs' (sp) books!

I'm speaking of the Warlock series, and especially "Escape Velocity" wherein

he explicitly states that the Barons of the SCA got together to finance the

entire group going and founding Grammaire.  The SCA became threatened because

its individualistic attitudes and tendency towards monarchy were against the

tenets of the Proletarian Ecclectic States of Terra (PEST).

 

Sliante!

Kevin MacKinnon  shire of Unser Hafen - Outlands

 

 

I recently read Patricia Kennealy's "Kelts in Space" fantasy trilogy. (I

dont remember the titles... and they are referred to as such in one of the

author's forwards.) In the bio at the back she is listed as being in the

SCA, in what I believe would be Ostgardr. I could be wrong about the SCA

group, not being familiar with the NYC area in the SCA sense.

 

_The_Gryphon_King_ was written by Tom Dietz, set in Georgia. Part of the

setting is a Rennaissance fair... I dont remember if it was put on by the

local SCA in the book, or if they were just players at it.

 

I distinctly remember a character named Sir Ander Poulson at the end of

_Number_of_the_Beast_ by Robert Heinlein. (please, no RAH flames... ) The

end of that book was effectively a large party/convention, with mega

quantities of in-jokes (most of which I didnt get till I started attending

conventions...).

 

Megan Gwendylon

Canton GryphonWald

Barony Settmour Swamp

Southern Region

East Kingdom

 

 

From:    Halfdanr

To:      Steve Bloch

02-May-90 10:36pm

Subject: Re: SCA authors

 

Dik Browne was his real name, he has since passed away. He was a Marklander

for many years and his estate is still on our roster. He used to write us for

info on the viking age, we of course sent him the info he wanted. Dirty Dirk

was one of us.

Robert Aspirin is in Fact Yang the Nauseating, I met him at a Pennsic while

very drunk, me that is.

 

 

From: amanda at mermaid.intercon.com (Amanda Walker)

Date: 4 Jun 90 04:10:31 GMT

Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

 

Don't know if he's been mentioned yet, but I noticed in the afterword to

a book I just finished re-reading that Gordon R. Dickson is (or was at the

time of writing) quite active in the SCA.

 

--

Amanda Walker, InterCon Systems Corporation

 

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From: Orilee_J_Ireland-Delfs.wbst845 at XEROX.COM

Date: 5 Jun 90 17:09:38 GMT

Organization: Society for Creative Anachronism

 

From what I understand, Patricia Kennealy (I don't think I spelled that

right...) author of The Silver Branch, The Copper Crown, and the Throne of

Scone is also a member of the SCA.  If you haven't read her books, do.  The

premise is a celtic culture set in space.  Good stories!  (I'd be more

specific but since my brain is at work, I don't have enough clear facts to

write about her and her books).

 

Orianna, the double titled Pursuivant

Thescorre, AEthelmearc, East

Rochester, NY

 

 

From: whh at PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)

Date: 5 Sep 90 19:36:30 GMT

Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

 

This is sparked by one of the auction items from the Ducal Prize

Tourney just past . . .

 

There are those who delight in ferreting out works of fiction by

authors who are in the SCA. We're all familiar (or I hope we are)

with various works of Poul Anderson, Randall Garrett, and Marion

Zimmer Bradley.  Many will also be familiar with works by Paul

Edwin Zimmer, Robert Aspirin or Mary Monica Pulver.

 

An SCA member of long standing has a first novel in print.  The

book is "The Interior Life" by Katherine Blake (Baen, Aug. 1990).

 

A copy of the book was donated to the auction and during the book

auction was spoken of *very* favorably by a number of people there.

It is a hybrid fantasy/main-stream novel in which a quite ordinary

housewife starts running a fantasy world in her head to cope with

the tedium of a rather dreary life.  The fantasy starts taking on a

life of it's own, and her fantasy characters start advising *her*

how to run her life.  Along the way, she encounters (and in critical

case, learns to deal with), obnoxious senior management, computers,

classical music and the SCA. There is a fair chance that this work

will appeal more to the female reader than the male, as it speaks

more to the problems of women in our society than it does to traditional

male roles, but it still has useful stuff (as well as entertainment

value) for those of us trying to understand how our Ladies view the

world.  It does this *without* being a feminist tract or trying to

convey a Message.

 

As I know the author, I will cheerfully convey any comments, reviews,

critiques or fan mail to her if they are e-mailed to me.  As the author

is rather insecure about how the book will do in the marketplace, (I

disagree, but what do I know), encouraging comments will be more

appreciated than usual.  In the mean time--don't try to hard to find

Katherine Blake--it's a pseudonym.

 

        --Hal

 

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom

        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706,  415/524-8321 (home)

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From: salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: thought experiment - fiction to read

Date: 17 Oct 93 12:19:57 GMT

Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

 

Ranvaig writes:

> Another source is the Lord Conrad series by Leo Frankowski, beginning

> with_Cross Time Engineer_. Conrad wanders into a time machine by

> accident and gets sent back to Poland, 1231, just in time for the

> Mongol invasions.  He sets out to stop them and changes time.

> Its been a while since I read them, but he was carrying a

> backpack for hiking and amoung his possesions were some seeds he had

> been carrying to give as a pressent.  

 

Actually, he was making a delivery from his mother's greenhouse business

if I recall correctly, hence, a *wide* variety of seeds.  Two other

advantages Leo gave Conrad, one; the whole thing happened in Poland, where the

language has mutated a *whole lot less* than in English speaking countries;

two; Conrad was engineer, somebody with *lots* of experience in design and

build.

 

> I've no idea if Mr. Frankowski

> is SCA.  His ideas of women are likely to drive feminists crazy.

> Among other things he introduces Playboy Clubs.

 

From "About the Author" in the back of Copernick's Rebellion by Leo Frankowski.

        "He is active in MENSA, the Society for Creative Anachronism and

        science-fiction fandom.  He is an officer in two writers' clubs

        and his hobbies include reading, drinking, chess, kite flying,

        dancing girls and cooking.  A lifelong bachelor, he lives alone

        in Sterling Heights, Michigan."

Anyone who lists dancing girls as a hobby is not the Alan Alda type.

 

                                                      - Dagonell

 

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr

Habitat          : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony

Internet    : salley at niktow.cs.canisius.edu

USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029

 

 

From: masc0575 at ucssun1.sdsu.edu (Generic Account 0575)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: All the Bills are knights? was(Re: SCA merchandising?)

Date: 7 Feb 1994 21:40:59 GMT

Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services

 

Ken Mondschein (v081lu33 at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:

 

:      Unbelted Champions vs. Buffalo Bills

 

        As far as I know, there is only one belted knight on the Bills,

Earl Glyn ap Rodri (mundanely Glen Parker, number 74, starting offensive

lineman).

 

:              Tristan Clair de Lune

 

               Avenel Kellough

        :Chatelaine, College of St. Isidore of the Barony of Calafia:

 

 

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: elmunadi at netcom.com (Kevin Munday)

Subject: Re: All the Bills are knights? was(Re: SCA merchandising?)

Organization: College of Heralds, Caid - Enforcement Division

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 08:59:53 GMT

 

Re: Earl Glyn: His contract has a clause which specifically disallows him from

taking place in anything even remotely smacking of SCA combat for the entirety of his tenure with the Bills... (and there was much rejoicing amongst the contenders for Caid crown... (would you want a 6'5" 330lb man capable of a 4.4second 40yd dash in 30 lbs of armor/football equipment out on _your_ playing field waving a 3 lb stick?

not moi...!) <actually, he's a fun fight...>   };)  )

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internet: elmunadi at netcom.com

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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: v081lu33 at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (TRISTAN CLAIR DE LUNE/KEN MONDSCHEIN)

Subject: f&sf writers in the SCA (was re:authenticity)

Organization: University at Buffalo

Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 02:37:00 GMT

 

        Also, don't forget Robert Asprin (Yang the Nauseating) and our very

own Dorothea of Caer Myrdinn (sp?). And, it goes without saying, Diana

Listmaker (Diana Paxson) and Marion Zimmer Bradley (who's SCA name escapes me).

See? All the nifty people are in the club. Hopefully, next time this thread

comes up, I'll be counted amongst the Published.

        In MZB's "Sword and Sorceress" anthologies, she generally says in the

author's bio if they're in the SCA. (I figure that's one of the things you

put on a bio).

 

               --Tristan Clair de Lune

 

 

From: locksley at indirect.com (Joe Bethancourt)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: f&sf writers in the SCA (was re:authenticity)

Date: 16 Apr 1994 09:19:10 GMT

 

TRISTAN CLAIR DE LUNE/KEN MONDSCHEIN (v081lu33 at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:

:      Also, don't forget Robert Asprin (Yang the Nauseating) and our very

: own Dorothea of Caer Myrdinn (sp?). And, it goes without saying, Diana

: Listmaker (Diana Paxson) and Marion Zimmer Bradley (who's SCA name escapes me).

 

Elflaeda of Greenwalls, as I recall...

 

: See? All the nifty people are in the club. Hopefully, next time this thread

: comes up, I'll be counted amongst the Published.

:      In MZB's "Sword and Sorceress" anthologies, she generally says in the

: author's bio if they're in the SCA. (I figure that's one of the things you

: put on a bio).

 

:              --Tristan Clair de Lune

 

Don't forget Rick Cook (Richard Ironsteed) and Leslie Fish (Leslie the Bard),

and another whom I won;t mention because it's a pen-name that I prefer to

keep under cover.....<grin!>

 

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White Tree Productions     Phoenix, AZ 85069 USA         CyberMongol Ltd  

 

 

From: djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Authenicity ?

Date: 14 Apr 1994 03:05:27 GMT

Organization: University of California, Berkeley

 

AuntieS <aunties at aol.com> wrote:

>More f&sf authors in the SCA:

......

>Karen Anderson (SCA name escapes me for the moment)

 

Mistress Karina of the Far West (Laurel Queen of Arms 'way back

in AS single-digits)

....

>[Ruth] Atanielle Noel (Mistress Atanielle something)

 

Atanielle Unesse".

 

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin         Dorothy J. Heydt

Mists/Mists/West                   UC Berkeley

Argent, a cross forme'e sable           djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu

 

 

From: locksley at indirect.com (Joe Bethancourt)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: SCAdians authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)

Date: 28 Aug 1994 09:53:45 GMT

 

Susan Carroll-Clark (sclark at epas.utoronto.ca) wrote:

:      And Katherine Kurtz (Countess Bevin Fraser)  author of about

: 12 books now.  The SCA sneaks in here and there, mostly in

: SCAdianisms like referring to parts of a medieval feast as

: "removes".

 

Rick Cook, formerly known as Sir Richard Ironsteed, and first King of

Atenveldt, Leslie Fish

....................etc

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From: folo at prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: SCAdians authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)

Date: 28 Aug 1994 02:41:33 GMT

Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

 

Didn't we do this last year? Did anyone keep a list (that they

can find...)

 

Anyway, Scadians in the arts include:

        Diana Paxson

        Poul Anderson

        Karen Anderson

        Marion Zimmer Bradley (who stuck us with *the* name)

        Edwin Zimmer

        Mary Monica Pulver

        Mercedes Lackey

        Robert Asprin

        Gordon Dickson

        Keith Laumer

        Phil Foglio

        Steve Sullivan

        John Ford

        Lucinda Seaman

        DC Fontana

        Bjo Trimble

        Roland Green

        Susan Sizemore

Some were only peripherally connected, while others were very

involved (Karen Anderson was Laurel Queen of Arms).

 

        Piers Anthony does not mention the SCA in his biography

        Peter Beagle supposedly attended some early events at

               cons but did not participate

        Christopher Stasheff ret-conned the SCA into his Warlock

               novels (he hadn't heard of the SCA when he wrote

               the first novel; when he moved into this area,

               he bought one of my Dragonspire books to get a

               feel of the SCA)

 

        Johnny Chambers was apparently a member (something by

him appeared in an early TI. Rumors persist that Dik Brown

was a member but I've found no proof. According to Sir Franz,

Terry Gilliam was connected somehow with the SCA upon in

Minneapolis.

 

I'm certain there are many more...

 

Yrs, Folo

--

Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - folo at prairienet.org

Baron Wurm Wald (MidRealm) - Commander Baldwin's (NWTA)

 

 

From: mittle at panix.com (Arval d'Espas Nord)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: SCAdians authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)

Date: 29 Aug 1994 14:44:03 -0400

Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC

 

>  Rumors persist that Dik Brown was a member but I've found no proof.

 

To the best of my knowledge, the rumor is founded on several suspiciously

timely strips that he drew. Similar suspicions grew up around the authors

of the Winnie the Pooh comic strip that came out of Disney in the 80's;

shortly after Pennsic XIV, the knight character showed up, having just

returned from a knights' convention (hm....).  Pooh asked him if he'd

gotten tan; the knight answered "No, that's rust".  (HMMMM....)

===========================================================================

Arval d'Espas Nord                                        mittle at panix.com

 

 

 

From: djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: SCAdians authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)

Date: 28 Aug 1994 18:22:51 GMT

Organization: University of California, Berkeley

 

David Schroeder <ds4p+ at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

>  Heinlein and Niven, too, for that matter, perhaps.

 

No.  The Heinleins were on the mailing list for the Page for years and

years, and we kept hoping they would come to an event some day,

but they never did.

 

The Barony of the Angels tried to get Niven interested in the SCA

for years and years, but he never tumbled.

 

There's SCA-related material in some of Niven's books, though--so

they tell me.  (I don't read him.)

 

Did somebody mention Frank Herbert?  When he was working for the

San Francisco Examiner he gave a big outdoor revel at a park and

we all came and fought and danced and feasted and got our

pictures taken, and Herbert did a story on the SCA for the

Examiner's Sunday supplement. He never did anything else, but

it's one more event than Heinlein or Niven ever went to.

 

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin         Dorothy J. Heydt

Mists/Mists/West                           UC Berkeley

Argent, a cross forme'e sable           djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu

 

 

From: Kim.Salazar%em at mailgw.er.doe.GOV

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re:  SCAthian authors/artists

Date: 29 Aug 1994 15:43:54 -0400

 

     Rumor from the past:

     The Hagar the Horrible's artist was rumored to be SCA-literate

     after a series of strips circa 1978, which contained a Knight of

     Incredible Size and Prowess, who just happened to be sporting the

     arms (if the rumor is to be believed) of the immortal Sir Paul of

     Bellatrix.

 

     Other rumored SCA-friends (and probably members) of the time:

     The brothers Hildebrandt, illustrators of SF/fantasy fame.  I

     believe they did the art for the original Sword of Shinerra (sp).

     At the time many gentles swore that those illustrations contained

     familiar faces.

 

     And finally:  If the C.S. Friedman, active SF/fantasy writer, is

     indeed the same Celia S. Friedman I roomed with at college

     (highly likely!), she was known as Lady Adrienne of Huntington.

     Along with Lady Ariel she co-founded Fenmere, (Brandeis

     University group circa 1974-1979).  She also fenced for the

     college team, and was of the early popularizers of fencing in the

     East.

 

     Kim Brody Salazar/Ianthe d'Averoigne, OR, OL

     Forever a Carolingian   salazark%em at mailgw.er.doe.gov

 

 

From: djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: SCAdians authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)

Date: 29 Aug 1994 15:53:20 GMT

Organization: University of California, Berkeley

 

rosalyn rice <rorice at bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:

> .... also if you want to add

>authors of fantasy role-playing games to the list you can include the

>creators of Runequest ....

 

Oh, my goodness, yes.  Count Stefan de Lorraine and Duke Stephen

MacEanruig, two-thirds of the Runequest team, started writing

Runequest after a few years in the SCA showed them how inaccurate

the sword- and other fighting in D&D was.

 

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin         Dorothy J. Heydt

Mists/Mists/West                   UC Berkeley

Argent, a cross forme'e sable           djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu

PRO DEO ET REGE

 

 

From: bettina.helms at 7thwave.com (Bettina Helms)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Dickson, Asprin, et al

Date: 8 Nov 94 11:54:00 GMT

Organization: TSUNAMI - Catch the Wave! * Ponte Vedra, FL * 904-273-9738

 

AN>From: andrewandg at aol.com (AndrewandG)

 

AN>Yes Gordan Dickson was involved in the SCA, if only because he knew a lot

AN>of us.  I think he knew Yang, in fact.

 

Gordon R. Dickson used to participate, a long time ago, under the name

of "Kenneth of Otterbourn". I don't know if he became active enough to

earn any significant SCA honors (his good friend Poul Anderson *did* and

is still known as "SIR Bela of Eastmarch").

 

Not only did Dickson know Robert L. Asprin (once ska "Yang the

Nauseating", though he has since cut all ties to the SCA), he let him

pal around at his right hand for years and (unofficially?) sponsored

Asprin's creation of a science-fiction fangroup (with a heavy membership

overlap of oldtime Hordefolk) called the "Dorsai Irregulars". (They, and

as a result a large chunk of fandom, called Dickson "the Gordfather".)

:-)

 

Asprin, incidentally, was already severely disenchanted with what the

SCA had become -- *fifteen years ago*. He wrote a very bitter song about

it, having to do with a man who takes his little daughter to an event

only to have her ask a lot of embarrassing questions about the behavior

she observes, questions he can't answer. I heard the song exactly once,

at a science-fiction convention held in overlap with a local event in

Carolingia.

 

 

From: andrewandg at aol.com (AndrewandG)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Registering names

Date: 6 Nov 1994 23:25:59 -0500

 

Yes Gordan Dickson was involved in the SCA, if only because he knew a lot

of us.  I think he knew Yang, in fact.  I remember a bunch of us getting

together to talk about the effects of weapons and figting styles.  Andrew

Offit tried on one of Sir Albert von Drelenvelt's mail shirt and all most

fell over backwards when he sat down and took a swig out of a pop can!

This was after a S. F. convention. Luciano

 

 

From: kroussea at mail.cc.trincoll.EDU (kroussea)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: SCA Authors <long>

Date: 14 Dec 1994 20:27:46 -0500

Cc: jo grant <jo_grant at crd.lotus.com>, The Rialto <sca at mc.lcs.mit.edu>

 

It seems to me that i've posted this three or four times already but here

goes:

 

A glaring omission from this list is Katherine Kurtz!

 

I quote from the About the Author page of my tenth printing paperback

copy of _High Deryini_ (March 1983) inside back page, last paragraph:

 

        "Miss Kurtz is active in the Society for Creative Anachronism, an

organization which attempts to recreate the middle ages and rennaissance

through tournamentsm banquets, revels, and classes in medieval arts and

sciences.  As Bevin Fraser of Stirling in the SCA, she is an accomplished

costumer, calligrapher and illuminator, herald, and expert on court

protocol, as well as a student of medieval fighting forms (from the

sidelines only; she bruises easily)."  

 

In addition to this, she and her husband, Scott McMillan were two of the

six necessary paid members for Lough Devnaree, Drachenwald (Ireland)'s

original application for incipiency. Seamus, could you please verify this?

 

The last peice of information I have is that someone once told me that

Katherine is a former Steward.  I'm sure there are records (and

oldtimers) who could verify this.

 

Sorry for opening this thread again, but the AtA in the Camber books was

the first place I heard about the Society.

 

Casey ap Cennedd                                             Casey Rousseau

Bowman's Rest, Beyond the Mountain, East       Trinity College, Hartford, CT

                       <kroussea at mail.trincoll.edu>

 

 

From: David Schroeder <ds4p+ at andrew.cmu.edu>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: SCA Authors <long>

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:36:27 -0500

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

 

Margaret Fraser, author of the Sister Frevisse mysteries,

(The Novice's Tale, the Outlaw's Tale, her new book, The Bishop's Tale,

et cetera) is a pseudonym for Mary Monica Pulver and a co-author

whose name I always forget (help me out Nordskogen folks!).

 

And the brothers Hildebrandt attended the coronation of Gyrth

and Melisande in the ancient days of the East (I was site autocrat).

I'm not sure if they came to any other events, though.

 

My best -- Bertram

 

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