SCA-in-books-msg - 7/7/09
Mentions of the SCA in books and magazines.
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Date: 23 Jan 92
From: Brian Stanley <STANLEY at NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
In reference to Vincent's question regarding SCA-inspired books,
I bring to your attention The Interior Life by Katherine Blake.
Although not predominantly set within the SCA, the august
organization is a significant factor.
Aleyn fitz Geoffrey
Late of the Barony of An Croisaire and now simply lost
Date: 29 Jan 92
From: Therion <HZS at psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University
One interesting aspect of the growing fame of the SCA is that you never know
where we're going to be mentioned next. For instance, I was recently reading
a book called "Muscle - confessions of an unlikely bodybuilder", by Sam
Fussell. It's a rather histrionic account of the author's descent into the
world of weightlifting and steroid abuse. The following passage is from
when the author moved from New York to California in the late 1980's and met
some of his new roommates, who were also into bodybuilding. All typos are the
author's, not mine [i.e. Ciad for Caid, and the speaker's lisp]
>But Bamm Bamm didn't want to talk about football or bodybuilding, he
>wanted to talk about war. "They've outwawed it, Sam," he said, shaking
>his head in misery. "There are no more wars, no more Koweas or Vietnams.
>Thats why we have wifting, and this ..." he said, opening his closet
>door. Within I saw a helmet, and the rest of his armor. He had purchased
>it from Thornbird Arms in the San Fernando Valley. Once every few
>months, he left with Freewyn, a lifter from the nearby Fanatics Gym for
>a weekend war regulated by The Society for Creative Anachronism. "I
>fight in a wogue spwinter gwoup, under a duke," Bamm Bamm said, with a
>touch of defiance. His last war was staged near Scottsdale, Arizona.
>Within spitting distance of the I-10 freeway, Bamm Bamm and a few
>hundred other knights from Ciad (the Southern California district)
>fought Adenvelt (the Arizona district) for their kingdom. Bamm Bamm had
>forty "kills" that weekend, and a broken nose. Though the weapons are
>made of rattan, the armor is real. When a poleax struck his steel
>helmet, the nose guard came down and spliced his nose. But Bamm Bamm
>wasn't counting on fighting for Ciad much longer ... [stuff deleted] ...
>Knights errant both, we wore our weight-lifting belts over one shoulder
>like baldrics, packing our own form of heat in the event of Armageddon.
>How much easier it made life, whether the enemy was Adenvelt or my
>Adam's apple or meat with more than 15 percent fat ....
I just thought that this was amusing enough to share with the rest of you. And
in case anyone is really interested (we librarians have to do these things,
it's a compunction):
>>> isbn 0671701959
Fussell, Samuel Wilson.
Muscle, confessions of an unlikely bodybuilder. / Samuel Wilson Fussell.
New York, Poseidon Press, c1991.
252 p., »8§ p. of plates. ill. 24 cm.
1. Fussell, Samuel Wilson. 2. Bodybuilders -- United States -- Biography.
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From: habura at vccnw09.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Knightfall
Date: 9 Aug 1993 17:39:16 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
As far as I know, the complete list of Mary Monica Pulver/Steffan and Kori
books is:
Murder at the War/Knight Fall (same book, different title)
The Unforgiving Minutes
Ashes to Ashes
Original Sin
The SCA-dependency of the books varies inversely with age :). The oldest,
Knight Fall, is almost completely within the context of the SCA; the newest,
Original Sin, contains only about a dozen sentences that indicate that some
of the characters are Scadian. Nonetheless, I feel that the writing is much
better in the later novels, and they're all worth reading.
Alison MacDermot
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Knightfall
From: schuldy at zariski.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Date: 9 Aug 93 12:33:52 EDT
Pergrine wrote:
The book by Mary Monica Pulver is set at Pennsic, and describes exquisitely
the things which make the SCA what it is. (I haven't been to Pennsic, but
from this book, people would know about many of our customs and traditions,
as well as some neat period practices I hadn't known.)
It's getting a little dated, but it's still fun. And great fun to try
and guess who is whom!
Speaking of whom--there is another book of hers in which
a co-worker of this Policeman finds a "Don Quixote" wandering the streets
and brings him in for booking: turns out to be... well, what would you think
of some person in full armor wandering around town in a daze, talking of
knights and kings, etc.? I'll try to get the title.
I too have forgotten the title. However, this confused Knight is only
a divertissment that lasts a few pages. The balance of the book is straight
mystery.
WARNING: from what I remember, the teaser on the back cover of KNIGHT FALL
was not written by Mary Monica Pulver, and might have been written by a
non-SCA person without-a-clue. Read the book: it's excellent for SCA
folk new and old, and is a good introduction to the SCA itself.
The back cover blurbs never are. (off- topic mini-flame ahead) A tremendous
number of books are mis-represented, or overly telegraphed by the marketting
hype on the back cover. The cover is a marketting tool, and worth
ignoring. I read the first few pages of any book I might be interested
in, instead.
Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy at math.harvard.edu)
From: David Schroeder <ds4p+ at andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Knightfall
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 01:39:06 -0400
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Alison MacDermot wrote:
> As far as I know, the complete list of Mary Monica Pulver/Steffan and Kori
> books is:
>
> Murder at the War/Knight Fall (same book, different title)
> The Unforgiving Minutes
> Ashes to Ashes
> Original Sin
Also, _Show Stopper_, c.1992, now out in paperback from Diamond...
Not to forget:
_The Novice's Tale, A Sister Frevisse Medieval Mystery_
by Margaret Frazer (Mary Monica Pulver and a co-author
whose name escapes me at the moment, sigh...) It's from
Jove, in paperback, c.1992, and is the first of a series
that's on its way.
And of course:
_Deer Abbey_, four issues of the Compleat Anachronist that
are worth the investment. (Tales of a 15th century nunnery).
My best -- enjoy -- Bertram
From: salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Life imitates Art imitates Life (was : Pell )
Date: 5 Mar 94 21:20:29 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208
Heather Garvey writes:
> [Possible etymologies for 'pell' deleted]
> I've seen the term used in a number of modern fictional references
> and I didn't realize that people thought this was an SCA-only term....
Recent observation: Part of the problem with comparing SCA uses to 'modern
fictional references' is that you never know what the author is using for
sources. Case in point, in Katherine Kurtz's latest Deryni novel _King
Javan's Year_, a number of 'medieval traditions' are drawn straight out of
the author's experiences with the SCA. For example, she uses 'remove' to
mean one course in a banquet and all her knights wear white belts. ;-) Now
imagine a new member who reads voraciously (I know it's a long stretch of
the imagination, but _try_ to imagine it ;-) ;-) ;-) ) and then attends an
SCA event. Seeing two separate sources both limiting white belts to knights
they'd probably conclude that that was the way it was in period.
- Dagonell
SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Internet : salley at niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029
From: una at bregeuf.stonemarche.org (Honour Horne-Jaruk)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: We're famous...
Summary: definition of us from a glossary of Witchcraft, paganism andOccultism
Date: Wed, 25 May 94 08:22:47 EDT
Respected friends:
A pagan friend of mine just showed me a copy of "Withcraft,
Satanism, and Occult crime: Who's who and what's what"- this is `A manual
of reference materials for the professional investigator'. In plain english,
the book is a series of articles on how to tell the kooks from the crooks.
Under the "basic glossary of common terms and symbols" these entries
appear.
_Anachronism-something that appears to be from a time period other than
the one in which it is percieved._
_Society for Creative Anachronism- An historical reconstructionist
organization of medieval scholars and speculative fantasy buffs. Founded in
Berkeley, California on May 1,1966 by Diana Paxson, the SCA holds medieval
reconstructionist events, such as tournaments and feasts, and participates in
Renaissance Faires around the country._
I presume the entry is in there because of the repeated canard that
SCA means Satanist Church of America, and I really appreciate their trying to
correct the falsehood, but is this definition weird or what?
Honour/Alizaunde
From: blackadd at news.delphi.com (BLACKADDER at DELPHI.COM)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA in Space Books.
Date: 6 Aug 1994 21:33:11 -0000
Also consider HUNTER'S WORLD by Fred Saberhagen. This features a huge
tournament for world supremacy between people like Thomas the Grabber
and Byford of Long Bridges. (Apparently he thinks lists are set in
alphabetical order.) An offworld visitor compares it favorably to "the
Anachronists playing with their dull swords" on civilized planets.
From: wlinden at phantom.com (William Linden)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: ANACHRONIST authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)
Date: 4 Sep 1994 14:01:11 GMT
David Salley (salley at niktow.canisius.edu) wrote:
: _Cloak of Anarchy_, written in 1972. I don't see how the SCA fits in,
: according to the story, you're searched for weapons before you can get in.
: Actually, that's the story that got Larry Niven into the duel I posted
: about earlier. It seems "Ron Cole", a character in the story was based on
: some one real who decided to have some fun with it. ;-) ;-)
Well, "Ron Cole" is Count Alpin MacGregor (Alpin the Mad).
From: caradoc at libre.com (John Groseclose)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: ANACHRONIST authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)
Date: 5 Sep 1994 06:42:31 GMT
> David Salley (salley at niktow.canisius.edu) wrote:
> : _Cloak of Anarchy_, written in 1972. I don't see how the SCA fits in,
> : according to the story, you're searched for weapons before you can get in.
> : Actually, that's the story that got Larry Niven into the duel I posted
> : about earlier. It seems "Ron Cole", a character in the story was based on
> : some one real who decided to have some fun with it. ;-) ;-)
_Cloak of Anarchy_, "N-Space," Larry Niven, page 226:
"We reached the grassy field sometimes used by the Society for Creative
Anachronism for their tournaments. They fight on foot with weighted and
padded weapons designed to behave like swords, broadaxes, morningstars,
etc. The weapons are bugged so that they won't fall into the wrong hands."
--
John D. Groseclose <caradoc at libre.com>
From: wlinden at phantom.com (William Linden)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: ANACHRONIST authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)
Date: 4 Sep 1994 14:05:22 GMT
Julia Bailey (BAILEY at biomed.med.yale.edu) wrote:
:: So it seems that either [Heinlein] he attended events or knew LOTS of
people who : did :}
Bear in mind that in the first years Tournaments and other Society
functions were often in sf con programs, in the west anyway...before the
"trufans" started getting snotty about "intrusion by those awful
Anachronists". (After, all, nearly all of the early cadre was drawn from
fandom). And the Epilogue in NUMBER OF THE BEAST is one long con parody.
Harlan Ellison reportedly fought in some of these events, and I think
the marshal in NUMBER is supposed to be Pournelle (Jerome Robert of McKenna).
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: ah447 at FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: Re: ANACHRONIST authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)
Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 18:19:28 GMT
You're probably not going to think this is on topic, but the latest novel
in the QUANTUM LEAP series has Sam "leaping" into a re-enactor. The back-
ground info looks very much like SCA or something similar.
The passages in which Sam realizes he's just "leaped" into a 15th-century
suit of armor just prior to a bout is just plain funny.
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From: jeffs at math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Niven
Date: 8 Sep 1994 14:20:48 -0400
Bertram writes:
> Oh, Niven refers to us, obliquely (I think) in one of his
> short stories about anarchy happening in a park -- I'm sure
"Cloak of Anarchy". The reference is just one line, about the SCA
(Niven spells it out) using the park for fighter practice.
Jeffs
From: jacquetta at aol.com (Jacquetta)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA in Kiddie Lit.
Date: 20 Sep 1994 21:10:01 -0400
To the parents of pre-teens out there - my daughter just found a great
book. "All's Faire" by Pamela F. Service is a time-travel novel for kids
about a 12 year old boy whose parents are in the "Creative Anachronists"
and make him go to events and ren faires. He is transported back to the
"real" Middle Ages and learns the value of dreams and the imagination.
Nice story. **Thinly** veiled SCA. My daughter really liked it.
Jacquetta
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: rorice at bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (rosalyn rice)
Subject: Re: SCA in Kiddie Lit.
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:56:41 GMT
Jacquetta <jacquetta at aol.com> wrote:
>To the parents of pre-teens out there - my daughter just found a great
>book. "All's Faire" by Pamela F. Service is a time-travel novel for kids
If it's the same person (and it probably is), then Pam Service lives
in my town. She isn't in the local S.C.A. group, and I have no idea how she
heard about us, or got information on us. Most peculiar.
Lothar
From: "Brett W. McCoy" <p01335 at psilink.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA in Kiddie Lit.
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:45:28 -0500
I don't know if this book has been mentioned, as I've come into this
thread rather late, but _The Folk of The Air_ by Peter S. Beagle is
very obviously about the SCA, known as "The League for Archaic
Pleasure" in the novel. They are located in California, and their
crown tourneys are exactly the same as SCA crown tourneys.
Brett W. McCoy
bmccoy at cap.gwu.edu
From: crouchet at eden.com (James Crouchet)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Freaking the Mundanes...
Date: 3 Jan 1995 20:03:43 GMT
Organization: Adhesive Media, Inc.
sclark at blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Carroll-Clark) says:
> Yes, I did it. I got sucked into the "collectable card game" craze.
>The one I chose to buy is the new _Illuminati: New World Order_ game.
>Those of you who've played its predecessor, of course, know about the "Society
>for Creative Anarchism" card. Well, Steve Jackson has taken this little
>in-joke one step further.
> The booster deck I got yesterday included the "Freaking the Mundanes"
>card.
> WE know what he means.
>
> Fnord.
>
>Cheers & happy Feast of the Circumcision (yowch!)
>Nicolaa/Susan
>Canton of Eoforwic
>sclark at epas.utoronto.ca
Yeah, Steve was our founding baron in Bryn Gwlad (Ansteorra), so he does know the SCA well. He finally resigned in disgust saying SCA politics was too much like the real politics of our period. Good point I think.
Savian
From: zkessin at ppp3253.wing.net (Zach)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Important Info: Tried and True Ways of Getting Your Parents to Finance your Swordfighting Habit
Date: 04 Jan 1995 05:02:41 GMT
Organization: Wilder Internet Gateway, Boston, MA
In article <D1up35.Gwp at acsu.buffalo.edu> v081lu33 at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (TRISTAN CLAIR DE LUNE/KEN MONDSCHEIN) writes:
Hi there! Like many of you, I'm a starving college student (tm). I
also have a rather expensive hobby, that is, stick-jocking. In fact, I'm
willing to bet that I've spent $1000+ on armor, rattan, raw materials to
make armor, etc. Now, while this keeps me off the streets selling crack, it
also results in a negative balance of money, unlike selling crack, which
rakes money in.
So, I've developed these tried-and-true arguments to get those
wellsprings of ca$h, my parents, to help me finance my hobby:
My father offered to pay for a Helm. I think I can get elbows and
knees out of him too, and make the rest. I didn't event have try to
hard to get it. Just say I didn't want ski boots.
The fact that I was able to bring him to a few events didn't hurt.
BTW on the authors/artists in the SCA I just noticed something. On the
Painting "Pendragon" by Jody Lee in the upper rt corner there is a
banner i recognised... Or within a Laurel wreath a crown dancity of 3
vert.
Guiliam Wodehouse
http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/USERS/UGRAD/zkessin/east.html
zkessin at cs.brandeis.edu
From: alysk at ix.netcom.com (Elise Fleming )
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA in _Life_
Date: 13 Oct 1995 16:17:24 GMT
Just opened my November 1995 _Life_ magazine and found three pages of
photos and text on this past Pennsic. A Midrealm group is featured in
the table of contents section, with the shield clearly visible (a field
divided crosswise...top is red with a white fleur-de-lys and bottom is
white and black checky). Most of the featured fighters are "blue
tape". Part of House Darkyard can be seen on page 28. Pages 28-29
feature three "blue tapes" in close-up of their helms. Page 30 shows 9
photos of various helms including one scout. An Easterner from
Ostgardr, Lord Dieterich von Bern, is mentioned by name. The final
page, 32, shows a closeup of one of the battles with poles, sword and
shield, all scrambled togehter. The final photo shows one pooped
fighter (his arms are on his tabard...looks like a circle overlaying an
upright sword) who is apparantly resting during the Woods Battle. The
focus is solely on the warlike aspect of Pennsic. Sure was a surprise
to me as I was paging through!
Alys Katharine
From: snyary at life.timeinc.COM (Sasha Nyary)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: LIFE magazine article
Date: 16 Oct 1995 11:38:40 -0400
Please put this information in your kingdom newsletters and pass it on to
your chroniclers.
(I believe this will be on our homepage, as well, but it's not up yet.)
LIFE homepage: http://www.pathfinder.com/Life/lifehome.html
For release: Monday, October 16, 1995
Contact: Alison Hart (212) 522-7576
LIFE CAPTURES THE ACTION AT A MEDIEVAL WAR
New York, N.Y., October 16, 1995 -- LIFE's November issue (on newsstands
today) features a journey to a spectacular conflict: the annual Pennsic
War, where hordes of steel-armored, sword-slinging fighters clash for the
sheer fun of it. Sponsored by the worldwide Society for Creative
Anachronism (SCA), this summer's war drew 9,000 men, women and children to
a tent city in western Pennsylvania. Whether combatants or civilians, LIFE
reports, all were in costume and in character -- transformed into counts
and courtesans, barons and barbarians, for a week's immersion in what the
SCA calls "the Middle Ages as they should have been."
LIFE sent veteran photographer Bill Eppridge to capture the action as 3,000
male and female warriors -- trained in medieval martial arts and following
strategies borrowed from ancient generals -- fought with chivalry, valor
and a king-size dollop of humor. In "LIFE Goes To a Medieval Battle,"
you'll see what he saw: a flamboyant combination of military exercise,
historical pageant, and full-contact sport.
###
From: powers at cis.ohio-state.edu (william thomas powers)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA in _Life_
Date: 18 Oct 1995 23:35:54 -0400
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
>I thought the pictorial and article was one of the most positive I've
>read. This good national press is rare.
>Tigranes of Bezabde
You mean you didn't like the article on the SCA in the June 1980 issue
of Soldier of Fortune? ("Middle Ages Bash" by Bob Aldridge")
My favorite is still the one in the Smithsonian, June 1981, "They
`joust' as if knighthood were in flower today"
wilelm, who has both squirreled away in the bookcases------You know you
are in the SCA when people comment on your 10 lineal feet of books in your
bathroom and you apologize for it being so poorly en-booked--not to
mention the neighborhood kids asking if they can research for school
reports in your library
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: ah447 at FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: SCA Makes the Globe & Mail Report on Business
Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:59:37 GMT
In the Oct. 27th Report on Business Magazine, there is a Profile on
Small Business on Mr. Bill Fedun, also known as Lord Yusef of South
Tower.
His photo, in full armor, appears in the one-page article and also on the
Table of Contents page.
The article is a profile of the South Tower Armory (annual sales
$145,000) based near Ottawa, Ontario (oh, all right, Canton Culdrithig,
Barony Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere) and talks briefly about both
his SCA and non-SCA (i.e. fetishic) clientele.
Boy we seem to be going mainstream, ain't we?
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From: Hashiri at aol.com (3/7/96)
To: markh at risc.sps.mot.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 00:56:43 -0500
Subject: SCA in books
Greetings!
I've just been perusing the section of the Web on SCA in books, magazines, etc. I don't know if you can or want to add this, but I thought I'd mention it.
Escape Velocity, by Christopher Stasheff, mentions the SCA towards the end.
While he doesn't actually say 'SCA', he mentions the 'Society' and what he
describes certainly sounds like the SCA to me. It's very interesting,
because the Scadians in the book decide to leave the nasty politics of earth
and the human race behind - they buy a colony ship and leave to start a world
based on Society principles in a galaxy far, far away. This book begins a
series about the world which they colonize and is very entertaining to read.
A good mix of sci-fi and fantasy.
Christiana Ivarrsdottir, Barony of Bjornsborg, Ansteorra
From: room237 at wabash.iac.net (Room 237)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA Press:Swing 5-96
Date: 19 May 1996 20:41:20 GMT
Organization: Internet Access Cincinnati 513-887-8877
For all interested in collecting/reading any press on the SCA, the May
1996 Issue of the magazine "Swing" has a 1 page article with photos.
From: Endel at tarleton.edu
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:13:00 -0400
Subject: FYI
I thought people might find the following quotation of interest. I have no
idea if the author has any connection with the SCA or not. This is from The
Ambivalent Magician, by Simon Hawke (Warner Books, 1996). Hawke may be the
American equivalent of Terry Pratchett.
"That's why people join the SCA and read fantasy novels, because the real
world sucks."
Laird Alan MacRonan MacCalum
From: "lubarsky" <lubarsky at snet.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:40:18 GMT
"Achbar ibn Ali" <achbar at bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ul5jc0pi2if1pgk8q7476coq2oh7aa366r at 4ax.com...
> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
> question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
> need more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any
> works of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I
> would like to do a Panel on this subject.
>
> Achbar
In Randall Garrett's "The Steel of Raithscar" Ricardo Carrillo mentions (to
himself) that he was trained in the sword by Master Paul Edwin Zimmer. Ariel
by Steven R. Boyett has a
strong SCA connection, with some scadians coming out on top of society after
technology
has been replaced by magic. Rick Cook's Wiz Zumwalt recruited a bunch of
computer people for a programming job in another universe at an SCA event. I
do wonder about Barbara Hambly. The description of guards training at the
Keep of Dare seemed painfully realistic.
Somewhere I do remember a nasty backslid colony world called "Sca", but I
can't place the story.
Avrahm
From: "Highlander" <highlander_55 at hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:11:27 -0600
John Ringo's "There Will Be Dragons" has very distinct SCA overtones. It
does not specifically mention the SCA by name. However, it does mentions
"recreationists" prominently.
Donnchadh mac Ceadach
From: Steve Mesnick <steffan at pobox.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:32:52 -0400
Achbar ibn Ali wrote:
> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
> question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
> need more information.
SCADIAN SF/FANTASY AUTHORS:
* Diana Paxson (Diana Listmaker): the First Tournament was in her back yard.
* Poul Anderson (Sir Bela of Eastmarche)
* Katherine Kurtz (Bevin Fraser of Stirling): once President of the SCA.
* Robert Asprin (Yang the Nauseating): founder of the Great Dark Horde
* Jerry Pournelle (Jerome of McKenna)
* Lester del Rey (Lester of Rive Rouge): one of the first Eastrealm Laurels
* Esther Freisner (can't recall her SCA name)
* Marian Zimmer Bradley (Elfrida of Greenwalls): who brought the SCA
to the East coast.
* Debra Doyle (Malkin Grey)
* Greer Ilene Gilman (Eugenie de Bruges)
* Joe Schifino (Feral von Halstern)
SCA IN SF:
* Christopher Stasheff's "Warlock" series
* Spider Robinson (one of the Callahan novels, if I recall correctly)
* Peter Beagle's "The Folk of the Air" (thinly disguised SCA)
* Mary Monica Pulver's "Murder at the War" takes place at Pennsic
(pretty clearly Pennsic 11)
* Robert Heinlein ("Job, a Comedy of Justice", IIRC)
* Robert Asprin: "Tambu", if you can find it, is a roman a clef
about the founding of the Dark Horde, set among interstellar trade
routes. Great story! Find an old Hordesman to identify the real people
behind the characters.
* The dedication of Gordon Dickson's "The Dragon and the George"
is "Thys boke is for Bela of Eastmarche, who hath, in his own
time, knowne a dragon or two." See above.
--- Steffan ap Kennydd
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: djheydt at kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 04:16:58 GMT
Charlene Charette <neitherhere at northere.com> wrote:
>Wasn't the SCA mentioned in Sharyn McCrumb's "Bimbos of the Death Sun"?
No, it's mentioned in her _Highland Laddie Gone._ A sheriff who
plays ACW on weekends has to leave his battle to go investigate a
murder among some Highland Games enthusiasts whose idea of what
it is to be Scottish is a bit idealized. At the end, the sheriff
mentions that the site has to be cleaned up in a hurry (now that
the murderer's been found and people can leave) because the SCA
is using it next weekend, and he and the Highland Gamer he's
talking to agree that "those people are crazy." The description
makes it clear that the Confederate Colonel and the Maid of the
Cat are at least as crazy as the SCAdians.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djheydt at kithrup.com
From: John Groseclose <bill at caradoc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:06:17 -0700
Steve Mesnick <steffan at pobox.com> wrote:
> SCA IN SF:
> * Christopher Stasheff's "Warlock" series
> * Spider Robinson (one of the Callahan novels, if I recall correctly)
> * Peter Beagle's "The Folk of the Air" (thinly disguised SCA)
> * Mary Monica Pulver's "Murder at the War" takes place at Pennsic
> (pretty clearly Pennsic 11)
> * Robert Heinlein ("Job, a Comedy of Justice", IIRC)
> * Robert Asprin: "Tambu", if you can find it, is a roman a clef
> about the founding of the Dark Horde, set among interstellar trade
> routes. Great story! Find an old Hordesman to identify the real people
> behind the characters.
> * The dedication of Gordon Dickson's "The Dragon and the George"
> is "Thys boke is for Bela of Eastmarche, who hath, in his own
> time, knowne a dragon or two." See above.
>
> --- Steffan ap Kennydd
Larry Niven's "Cloak of Anarchy" specifically mentions the SCA as
meeting in the Free Park so they could fight.
From: Chris Zakes <moondrgn at austin.rr.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:48:42 GMT
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:32:52 -0400, an orbital mind-control laser
caused Steve Mesnick <steffan at pobox.com> to write:
(snip)
>* Robert Heinlein ("Job, a Comedy of Justice", IIRC)
No, "The Number of the Beast". The SCA is having a live-weapons
jousting tournament with 32nd-century medical technology available to
make sure that the fighters don't stay dead.
One I'm surprised nobody's mentioned is Mercedes Lackey. I don't think
she's a member, but she mentions the "Medieval Society" in several of
her books.
There's also L. Neil Smith's "Tom Paine Maru", which has a couple of
chapters set on a planet called "Skah"--a rather unflattering picture
of the SCA.
-Tivar Moondragon
Ansteorra
Considering how many wars have to do with population pressure and limited
resources, "make love not war" may be a self-defeating concept.
From: MDH <dowdlehm at idelete.allspam.unread.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:26:49 -0400
Add to the list two of my former apprentices (who were both elevated to
the Order of the Laurel):
Tom Deitz (known in the SCA as Dylan of Abeneirin, etc.)
His book *The Gryphon King* specifically mentions the SCA and the
opportunity to appear as one of the characters in the book was auctioned
off at a Barony of Bryn Madoc fundraiser. A bibliography of Tom's work
can be found at risse.tierranet.com/deitz/deitz.html.
CS Friedman (known in the SCA as Tatiana Alexovna Marakovskaya)
Not much SCA content in her books, but plenty of vampires and
vampirelike creatures. She's got a new book coming out this month. Her
website is located at www.merentha.org/forest.asp
Margala of Dovedale (O.L.)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: djheydt at kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:02:08 GMT
John Husvar <jhusvar at neo.rr.com> wrote:
>SCA received some mention in a novel named "Hunters of the Red Moon,"
>IIRC. (Read it a lonnng time ago.)
>
>Was that one of MZB's early works?
MZB and Paul Edwin Zimmer, who was her brother. He was Master
Edwin Bersark.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djheydt at kithrup.com
From: Gretchen Beck <grm at andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:19:21 -0400
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
There is a book called "Demon Blues" by a lady named Esther Friesner which
includes quite a bit both flattering and unflattering about the SCA. Its
take on Jaelle of Armida is priceless! Don't know whether she's an SCA
member, but she ought to be.
toodles, margaret
--On Friday, June 11, 2004 12:48 PM -0700 Rob <rkane at travel-net.com> wrote:
>> works of fiction mentioning the SCA
>
>
> Neil Stephenson's Cryptonomicon. (not that I recall it being
> particularly flattering)
From: Steve Mesnick <steffan at pobox.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:03:59 -0400
Gretchen Beck wrote:
> There is a book called "Demon Blues" by a lady named Esther Friesner
> which includes quite a bit both flattering and unflattering about the
> SCA. Its take on Jaelle of Armida is priceless! Don't know whether she's
> an SCA member, but she ought to be.
Indeed she is, or was last I heard. I can't recall her SCA name, but,
heck, she may well be someone I've even *met* %^). She's in the barony
Beyond the Mountain or in Dragonship Haven (both CT), and I'm in the
Bridge (RI).
Steffan ap Kennydd
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: djheydt at kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:12:13 GMT
Cynthia Virtue <cvirtue at thibault.org> wrote:
>_Folk of the Air_ has a social group in the background which is what the
>SCA might have been like if it had gone a bit differently. The SCA is
>mentioned at the end of _Number of the Beast_.
Peter Beagle came to a very early event, before we had decided
how we were doing things, and got some ideas. Later on he kept
away from us because his book was developing nicely and he didn't
want what we were actually doing to interfere with his ideas of
what his characters were doing.
Heinlein was on the SCA mailing list for the first several years,
simply because Karen Anderson knew his address and thought it
would be neat if he would join. But he never did.
There are, by now, a great many authors (SF and otherwise) who
mention the SCA without ever having been part of it; it's become
a minor part of the American scene.
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West Albany, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at kithrup.com
From: Heather Rose Jones <heather.jones at earthlink.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:26:50 GMT
Kent wrote:
> Knight Fall (was Murder at the War) is written by an SCA member about
> Pennsic War.
>
> The SCA is mentioned as the basis of the society in the Warlock book by
> Stashef (sp).
>
> there are many famous authors amoung our founding members, including Ann
> MaCCAffrey (sp), Diana Paxton, Robert Asprin and others.
Also Marion Zimmer Bradley.
There are also a fair number of much more obscure authors
who are or have been in the SCA at some point. A lot will
depend on what your cutoffs are for both "author" and "SCA
member".
Tangwystyl
(one of the very obscure ones)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:14:35 -0500
From: Kent <Kentdyer at comcast.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
oh and in David Weber's Honor Harrington serios a major plot point in
one book is based an Honor's grandfather being an SCA member and having
taght her to use ancient weapons.
Aelfraed
From: shalandara at aol.com (Shalandara)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Date: 12 Jun 2004 11:42:13 GMT
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Rosemary Edgehill wrote the fantasy "The Sword of Maiden's
Tears", "the Cup of Morning Shadows", and "The Cloak of Night
and Daggers". One of the characters, Holly, is a member of the
SCA. There is a battle in upstate NY between otherworldy
creatures and Scadians and US goverment types. There is also
an amusing scene when the US govt types (i.e. Men in Black)
descend upon a Sci-Fi con trying to find someone.
S.M. Stirling is another author. His "Island in the Sea of Time"
books only have a passing mention to "historical recreation
groups" in that one of the minor characters is a blacksmith who
crafts custom swords. However, his new book (coming out this
fall) has more than a nod to the SCA. It is set in Oregon, is
basically post-apocalyptic (tied to his Island books in a strange
way) and features several characters int he SCA. One, Norman
Arminger, is a bad guy who uses his position in the SCA to try
to sieze control. Others, like Chuck, are good guys. There is
also a major character who is modeled on Heather Alexander,
the singer. To see the sample chapers go to: smstirling.com
Elizabeth of Hadley Hall
Inc Canton of Sudentor, Barony of Stierbach, Kingdom of Atlantia
Lozengy Or and Vert a Chief Sable
From: "Richard Macdonald" <rmacdonald at verizon.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:31:34 GMT
"Cynthia Virtue" <cvirtue at thibault.org> wrote in message
news:_6KcnQiGJdQgL1TdRWPC-w at speakeasy.net...
> _Folk of the Air_ has a social group in the background which is what the
> SCA might have been like if it had gone a bit differently. The SCA is
> mentioned at the end of _Number of the Beast_.
>
> I know several authors who are in the SCA, but as far as I know, their
> works don't mention the SCA.
The late Gordon R. Dickson dedicated the "Dragon and the George" as:
"Thys Boke Ys for
Bela of Eastmarch,
Who Hath in Hyi Own Tyme
Known a Dragon or Two.
--
Don Iain of Rannoch
--
Richard A Macdonald, CPA/EA
Dedicated student of Fr Luca Paccioli, Master Juggler.
Gib mir schokolade und niemand wird verletzt!!
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From: djheydt at kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:12:05 GMT
<peerlady at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Katherine Blake pseud. Dorothy Heydt (Mistress Dorothea of
>Caer-Myrddin, West, "The Interior Life". And you thought no one would
>bust your cover!)
No, I thought nobody was going to notice. Since we're at it,
_A Point of Honor_ under my own name also mentions the SCA.
> I remember meeting Lester and Evelyn del Rey (who called themselves
>Lester the Oppressor and Rachel the Oppressed at one of my first SCA
>events. His official SCA name is Lester of Rive Rouge.)
No, Lester the Oppressor and Rachel the Oppressed were L. Sprague
and Catherine deCamp, now both gone. Evelyn was Lester del Rey's
first wife; after she died he married Judy-Lynn Benjamin.
They're all gone too, but none of the del Reys were SCA so far as
I know.
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West Albany, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at kithrup.com
From: Andrew Tye <atye at efn.org>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:28:35 -0700
Ivar here,
Another author who was in the SCA is Mildred Downey Broxon. SKA Dierdre
Muldomhnaigh, she was Baroness of Madrone and is a member of the Orders of
the Laurel and the Pelican. She also penned a good number of the An Tir
Rebellion songs. I believe she also wrote one book under the
nomme de plume, Sigurd Skallaspillr, (i.e. Sigurd the Plagerist). It is
dedicated to Bela, Ulfheddin, and Reginlief.
Another author who included some thinly veiled SCA characters and themes
in some of her works is Julian May. In her first book of the Pliocene
Exiles series, _The Many Coloured Land_, there are several characters who
resemble certain personages of a certain era in An Tir history.
Ivar Hakonarson
From: pdruss at aol.com (P D RUSS)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Date: 16 Jun 2004 22:18:11 GMT
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
>Larry Niven's "Cloak of Anarchy" specifically mentions the SCA as
>meeting in the Free Park so they could fight.
The SCA is also mentioned in the book "Fallen Angel" by Larry Niven, Jerry
Pournelle and Michael Flynn. The main jest of the book are 2 astronauts who are
standed on earth during a time of anti-technology movement and are helped to
safely by members of an underground science fiction convention and some SCA
members.
Tamara
From: quester at infionline.net (Harold Groot)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:02:09 GMT
On 16 Jun 2004 22:18:11 GMT, pdruss at aol.com (P D RUSS) wrote:
>>Larry Niven's "Cloak of Anarchy" specifically mentions the SCA as
>>meeting in the Free Park so they could fight.
>
>The SCA is also mentioned in the book "Fallen Angel" by Larry Niven, Jerry
>Pournelle and Michael Flynn. The main jest of the book are 2 astronauts who are
>standed on earth during a time of anti-technology movement and are helped to
>safely by members of an underground science fiction convention and some SCA
>members.
>Tamara
If memory serves, the authors auctioned off some "you get to appear in
this book" opportunities at a fundraiser, so this is a bit of a
special case. They made the choice beforehand to set up the SF
"underground" and probably chose or invented the key figures
themselves, but accepted several real people in supporting roles
through the auctions.
From: "Michael of Lost" <guess at youdontknow.org>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:31:21 -0400
"Achbar ibn Ali" <achbar at bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ul5jc0pi2if1pgk8q7476coq2oh7aa366r at 4ax.com...
> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
> question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
> need more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any
> works of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I
> would like to do a Panel on this subject.
>
> Achbar
The SCA was mentioned in Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon as one of the
things the hacker character did. I can't remember his name at the moment...
randy waterhouse? No... It was a waterhouse, but I forget which.
Michael of Lost
From: David Cameron Staples <staples at cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM>
Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Organization: The University of Melbourne
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:39:06 GMT
In Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:31:21 -0400, "Michael of Lost"
<guess at youdontknow.org> in hoc locus scripsit:
> "Achbar ibn Ali" <achbar at bellsouth.net> wrote
>> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
>> question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I need
>> more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any works
>> of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I would
>> like to do a Panel on this subject.
>>
>> Achbar
>
> The SCA was mentioned in Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon as one of the
> things the hacker character did. I can't remember his name at the
> moment... randy waterhouse? No... It was a waterhouse, but I forget
> which.
Yes, it was Randall (Randy) Waterhouse. The SCA was mentioned as one of a
list of things he was involved in before he 'grew up', in the same context
as AD&D and Hanging Around In Comic Shops Not Getting Enough Sunlight. The
SCA just gets a short mention, then we're back to hardcore hacking.
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT cs DOT mu DOT oz DOT au
Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:43:37 -0500
From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Mini Pages Article
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
Selene commented:
<<< Duke Guillaume is the SCA's corporate media relations officer - it
is his job to help produce this kind of thing. >>>
Oh! I was wondering why his mundane name sounded familiar, but this
finally clued me in. He has written at least two books about life in
the SCA.
The second, which I liked, is:
======
"Here Comes the Reign, Sir Guillaume! : Another collection of warped,
wicked and wild stories about medieval history and life in (and
around) the SCA."
Farrell, Scott
ISBN: 0-595-34686-3
iUniverse, Inc. 2005
Book Description
From jester to king, Guillaume sees the Current Middle Ages from
every angle. In his second collection of humorous stories and
insightful reflections, Guillaume looks at the lighter side of castle
building, jousting on ESPN, learning Arthurian mythology (with the
help of tequila), and making topiary animals out of duct tape. Plus,
just to prove that no subject is beyond the scope of his irreverent
sense of humor, he also shares the laughter and chaos that took place
"behind the scenes" during two reigns as King of Caid. Whether by fate
or "an implausible disruption of the natural balance of the universe,"
Guillaume's readers are in for some royal laughs, and some touching
moments, as the SCA's funniest knight wins the throne and seeks
shelter from the reign in a deluge of hilarious stories, including:
<Li>Spitting Distance from Chivalry</Li> <Li>Christmas Crazies:
Forgotten Medieval Holiday Folklore</Li> <Li>Of Arms and the Knight I
Sing</Li> <Li>To Find the SCA, Just Turn Right at Spiderman</Li>
<Li>Fangs for the Memories: Medieval Halloween Monsters</Li>
<Li>Reigny Days and Mondays</Li>
=======
Someday I will need to hunt down his first volume.
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:05:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: avrealtor at prodigy.net
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Mini Pages Article
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
You can buy his works from the following site:
http://www.sirguillaume.com/gatehouse.html
For a long time our Kingdom Newsletter, The Crown Prints, had a feature with his writing...very very funny.
He is also known as Caid Man here (along with his lovely Dutchess Crescent Girl) You just had to be there!
-Muiriath
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