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Period and SCA teething toys for infants.

 

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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:33:27 -0500

From: "I. Marc Carlson" <LIB_IMC at centum.utulsa.edu>

Subject: Teething (was re: Renaissance chompie toys)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

 

<Bryan J. Maloney>

> Here's one for the obscure question file.  However, we've got a teething

> 5-month-old.  Are there any actual known examples of "chompie toys" extant

> from the Renaissance, or pictures or descriptions, thereof?  He's far too

> young to give a good hard biscuit to.

 

Yes, but you're going to give me that look.

 

Bone (See I told you -- "There Marc goes again...").  You might check to

see if your pediatrician will start screaming at the idea of Bone

teething rings.   If you are feeling eager, try to find a copy of the

Sandal Castle excavations, where they found a bone teething thing that

looks for all the world like pacifier:  Long thin knob on one side,

shorter knob on the other, and between them a disk to keep the child

from swallowing it - all turned from bone (and I think dated to before

the ECW).

 

Marc/Diarmaid O'Duinn

lib_imc at centum.utulsa.edu

 

 

From: schuldy at abel.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: 20 May 1998 18:16:46 GMT

 

Bryan J. Maloney <bjm10 at cornell.edu> wrote:

    Are there any actual known examples of "chompie toys" extant from

    the Renaissance, or pictures or descriptions, thereof? He's far

    too young to give a good hard biscuit to.

 

Not having anything to do with research.... but we gave my daughter stale

pieces of bread crust, and wooden toys and she was quite contented  As

contented as you can be while teething, anyway.  As long as the bread was

stale as a board, it was safe.  (At home we freeze bagel pieces, and use

them, as well as the usual plastic and water filled toys. We also use ice

and numbing medicines.  But so much for period at home. :-)

 

Five months and teething, eh?  I'd be shocked, except one of the children in

my daughter's day care was born with two teeth.  Worst, they were opposing.

Ouch.

 

        Tibor

--

Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy at math.harvard.edu)

 

 

From: shawnjoh at uoguelph.ca (Shawn Johnson)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: 20 May 1998 19:48:05 GMT

Organization: University of Guelph

 

I apologize for the lack of documentation... but i remember a, nameless

to my mind, play where an alcoholic beverage rubbed on teething gums was

used ... and also, as a joke in a few bawdy poems/songs (I might be able

to find these).  I certainlyt wouldnt recommend using alcohol on an

infant or child, but it's evidence for numbing medication of some sort.

 

-Robyn Whystler

 

 

From: savaskan <savaskan at sd.znet.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:26:17 -0800

 

I don't have any period documentation for teething devices and I've

looked into that subject fairly heavily.  I used large hardwood beads of

various shapes on a short cord, finished with non-toxic paint. The beads

are not all round, but some square and odd shapes with ridges. I also

used a fabric doll, but my son didn't teeth hard. You could wet and

freeze the fabric doll... Freezing bagels is a good answer too. They

really can't get much bread off a frozen bagel anyway. I suppose you

could tie a few layers of linen cloth around an ice cube too. A friend

of mine in a 16th c Irish group saws up a horn into rings and the babies

chew the horn and it also works as a rattle.   I think you could also

carve bone so that there are textures to it...

 

In general, my best antedote is to use Highlands teething tablets and

ambisol to offset the worst of it, with baby tylenol if its really a bad

day, then the lighter teething items work.

 

Don't feel bad, a friend of mine's son had 6 teeth at 4 mos old... Their

furniture all has chew marks from when he was crawling...

 

Juliana

 

 

From: "David Dendy" <ddendy at silk.net>

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Date: 21 May 98 05:48:47 GMT

 

The usual thing was what was known as a "coral", one of the meanings of

which (in my Concise Oxford) is "toy of polished coral for children cutting

teeth". I've seen pictures of period examples; they are pieces of that

beautiful Mediterranean coral (pinky salmon colour), with silver mounts for

the child to hold. The one I remember had a rattle in the mounting. (An

English friend has a family heirloom one which is at least 200 years old.)

 

If you need documentation, I can look up the details in the book next time

I go to the college library (the title, as I recall, was "The Secular

Spirit", and it was the catalogue of an exhibition of late medieval

artifacts at the Metropolitan Museum in New York). Another place that would

give documentation would be the complete Oxford English Dictionary, as they

give dated examples of the uses of words.

--

David Dendy / ddendy at silk.net

partner in Francesco Sirene, Spicer / sirene at silk.net

http://www.silk.net/sirene/

 

 

From: jen_guy at mindspring.com

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:15:58 GMT

 

On Wed, 20 May 1998 13:02:22 -0400, bjm10 at cornell.edu (Bryan J.

Maloney) wrote:

 

:Here's one for the obscure question file.  We have recently acquired a

:station wagon, which means that (once we finish tags, title, and repairs)

:we will be mobile enough to play more.  However, we've got a teething

:5-month-old.  Are there any actual known examples of "chompie toys" extant

:from the Renaissance, or pictures or descriptions, thereof?  He's far too

:young to give a good hard biscuit to.

:

:Yes, he's 5 months old and teething.  His brother started earlier than that.

 

Period-looking would be amber. Mom's necklace works if it's got big

enough chunks. Otherwise, a shorter string of large-ish beads is

better, because there's little or no strangulation hazard.

 

I know an amber merchant who tells tales of amber he's seen which (cut

and worn) date from the Victorian times. Not period, but neat, huh?

 

 

From: jen_guy at mindspring.com

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:27:26 GMT

 

:Period-looking would be amber. Mom's necklace works if it's got big

:enough chunks. Otherwise, a shorter string of large-ish beads is

:better, because there's little or no strangulation hazard.

:

:I know an amber merchant who tells tales of amber he's seen which (cut

:and worn) date from the Victorian times. Not period, but neat, huh?

 

Duh, I meant to say Victorian amber with *baby teeth marks*. Makes

more sense, hey?

 

 

From: Gretchen M Beck <grm+ at andrew.cmu.edu>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:19:43 -0400

Organization: Computer Operations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

 

Excerpts from netnews.rec.org.sca: 20-May-98 Re: Renaissance chompie

toys Shawn Johnson at uoguelph.c (974)

 

> I apologize for the lack of documentation... but i remember a, nameless

> to my mind, play where an alcoholic beverage rubbed on teething gums was

> used ... and also, as a joke in a few bawdy poems/songs (I might be able

> to find these).  I certainlyt wouldnt recommend using alcohol on an

> infant or child, but it's evidence for numbing medication of some sort.

 

Coral--you can find lots of pictures of babies wearing coral necklaces.

I've seen (but can't locate names for) several sources that describe

coral as a traditional teething item.

 

toodles, margarert

 

 

From: priest at NOSPAMvassar.edu (Carolyn Priest-Dorman)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: 21 May 1998 17:19:30 GMT

Organization: Vassar College

 

(jen_guy at mindspring.com) wrote:

 

>Period-looking would be amber. Mom's necklace works if it's got big

>enough chunks. Otherwise, a shorter string of large-ish beads is

>better, because there's little or no strangulation hazard.

 

Amber flakes, chips, and shatters if your child is vigorous.  Accordingly,

last Pennsic I bought a great strand of indestructible plastic beads for my

daughter (she'd just turned one) to wear that looked just like amber.  We

called it her "teething amber."

 

My husband made our daughter a rattle on the lathe (several rings loose around

a central stalk) which both amused her and served as a teething implement.  

But she liked plain wooden curtain rings almost as much.

 

Is it too weird to suggest some kind of toy made out of thin vegetable-tanned

leather?

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Carolyn Priest-Dorman                Thora Sharptooth

capriest at cs.vassar.edu               Frostahlid, Austrrik

         http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/vikresource.html

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From: Larry Johnson <ljohnsn1 at idt.net>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:20:59 -0700

Organization: IDT

 

Bryan,  This is just conjecture, but what about a piece of leather cut into a

ring? the baby can chew on that.  Of course, you could go to the pet store and

get a rawhide dog chew.  Just soak it in water until it is limber, untie the

knots on the ends so it doesn't look like a bone, and let it dry out again in

another shape.  Give to baby.

 

I see you have no sleep now.  (Grin)  I now have a 2 yr old granddaughter that

is living here at home, with her father (messy divorce). We are going through

the night terrors.(SIGH)

 

Labhruinn MacIain an Mor

 

 

From: savaskan <savaskan at sd.znet.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:59:29 -0800

 

David Friedman wrote:

>How about rawhide? It works for dogs.

>

> David/Cariadoc

 

I was told to stay away from Rawhide as it is usually processed with

chemicals that are not safe for humans... probably not for dogs either,

but they have a much shorter lifespan and few restrictions on things

sold for them to eat.  It might have been formaldahyde that was used, I

can't recall.

 

Juliana

 

 

From: Eric & Lissa McCollum <ericmc at primenet.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: 21 May 1998 13:31:01 -0700

 

Gretchen M Beck wrote:

> Coral--you can find lots of pictures of babies wearing coral necklaces.

> I've seen (but can't locate names for) several sources that describe

> coral as a traditional teething item.

>

> toodles, margarert

 

If you do come across those sources, would you please post

them? I haven't heard that suggestion before, and would be

interested in adding it to my collection of bead info.

 

'The History of Beads' suggests that coral in the Middle ages

was thought to have protective powers, specifically to

strengthen the heart and prevent ailments of the blood. In

many Medieval paintings the Christ Child is shown with a

coral rosary (those strings of beads). Early rosaries were

a kind of amulet string as well as being a counting tool.

 

The coral of Southern Italy and the Tunisian coast was

a very popular material for making rosary beads out of. When

the rosaries were introduced, one general term for beads was

in fact 'krallen' "a designation derived from one frequently

used material for beads, i.e. coral." (1) (After rosaries were

introduced, the word gradually changed to 'bede', from the word

'biddan' which means 'to pray'.) Along with other materials,

coral was also a source of controversy: "As early as 1261

the Dominicans were forbidding lay brothers to 'give themselves

airs by using excessively grand beads.' In the middle of the

fourteenth century, an Augstinian canon of Onasbruck outlawed

the wearing of coral rosaries around the neck." (2)

 

I do have a picture from the 1897 of a young girl

with a coral necklace, suggesting it was a common gift

to children at that time to conjure health. However

my personal suspicion is that the coral necklaces shown

in Medieval paintings relate more to the prevelence of

rosaries as a devotional item at the time, and less to

do with teething--though I also know that babies will

put anything in their mouth that they have in their

hands. :)

 

If the original poster goes this route, do be careful

of the choking hazard.

 

Gwendolen Wold

 

References:

 

(1) "Glass Beads from Europe" by Sibylle Jargstorf.

Schiffer Publishing Ltd. Atglen, Pa. 1995.

 

(2) "The History of Beads, from 30,000 BC to the Present"

by Lois Sherr Dubin. Harry N. Abrams, Inc. New York.

1987.

 

 

From: Vicki Hyde <nzsm at spis.co.nz>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:48:14 +1200

Organization: South Pacific Information Services Ltd

 

A firm piece of fruit (pear or apple or frozen banana) tied inside a

square of clean muslin is a good one. It will give them a little bit of

liquid as well as provide an interesting chomping surface. You'll need a

coule as they should really be discarded when dropped (depending on the

surface and your attitude to the natural accumulation of antibodies that

is :-)

 

Sorry, no documentation, just practical use. At least it beats plastic

teething rings!

 

katherine kerr, whose children all teethed quietly for the most part,

and who is extremely grateful for it

====================================================================

     South Pacific Information Services Ltd, Christchurch, NZ

 

 

From: "M. Shirley Chong" <eithne at avalon.net>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:12:11 -0700

 

savaskan wrote:

> David Friedman wrote:

> >How about rawhide? It works for dogs.

> >

> > David/Cariadoc

>

> I was told to stay away from Rawhide as it is usually processed with

> chemicals that are not safe for humans... probably not for dogs either,

> but they have a much shorter lifespan and few restrictions on things

> sold for them to eat.  It might have been formaldahyde that was used, I

> can't recall.

 

   Some of the imported rawhide dog chewies have been processed with

formaldehyde and/or arsenic. There are domestic (USAmerican) rawhide

chewies that are guarateed not to have any toxic substances.

 

Shirley

 

 

From: "Maire Aislinge" <mblack2 at primenet.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: 22 May 1998 00:50:00 -0700

 

Don't think anyone mentioned the old Southern Mountains teething chompie--a

piece of raw bacon.  According to my Scottish grandmother, it's an idea

brought over with the early Scottish settlers.  And another, which my

grandmother actually used on me when I was teething (back in the Dark Ages)

was a chicken leg bone, cleaned of all loose pieces.  

 

Maire Aislinge

 

 

From: "David Dendy" <ddendy at silk.net>

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Date: 22 May 98 17:59:08 GMT

 

Morgan E. Smith <mesmith at calcna.ab.ca> wrote:

>   I haven't been fllowing this thread (no teething babies in my house

> right now) but I seem to recall that liquorice root is used by many

> people, and I have the vague impression it is period.

> Morgan the Unknown

 

Just to toss in another item of trivia that has risen to the surface of my

memory. Whole orris root used to be used, and was known as "teething root".

Sorry, I can't remember where I read this; you'll just have to dig.

--

David Dendy / ddendy at silk.net

partner in Francesco Sirene, Spicer / sirene at silk.net

http://www.silk.net/sirene/

 

 

From: ilove2lace at aol.com (Ilove2lace)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: 23 May 1998 00:17:12 GMT

 

Brithwen wrote:

>::grins::Naw you're not that old.  My mom tells stories of when I was a baby

>they used wine, whiskey, beer to numb the gums as nothing else seemed to work. >Hey and I turned out fine.

 

According to my G'ma, the correct usage of the alcoholic beverage for teething

was "A little on the gum, then a shot for the Mum."  I guess this reduced the

stress of teething for both. <G>

 

I used peeled anise stalks for my babies teething, they liked the licorice

flavor and it settled their colic as well.  I hear fennel works too but I

haven't tried it.  (I had anise in the garden.)

 

Lara the Lacemaker

 

 

From: bkwyrm at aol.com (Bkwyrm)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: 24 May 1998 03:28:08 GMT

 

When I was growing up in a very rural 3rd-world country (name withheld to

protect friends still living there), dried corn (maize) still on the cob was

used a lot.  Hard, textured, even a little nutritional value.

   ---B

 

 

From: "Debbie and Rick Noah" <photo at redshift.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 16:54:22 -0700

Organization: DebRik

 

Vicki Hyde wrote:

>A firm piece of fruit (pear or apple or frozen banana) tied inside a

>square of clean muslin is a good one. It will give them a little bit of

>liquid as well as provide an interesting chomping surface. You'll need a

>coule as they should really be discarded when dropped (depending on the

>surface and your attitude to the natural accumulation of antibodies that

>is :-)

 

--->Or simply a clean cool wet rag or washcloth(especially in summer). Their

gums itch and the texture of the cloth helps soothe.

If using a wooden toy, you might want to cure it with olive oil.

My grand daughter is still getting her teeth. The doctor says not to give

them frozen teethers as the gums could be frostbitten.

Alchohol can sting gums. Teething pills can be put into a period pill box

and dispensed as necessary. I don't think the patrons are close enough to

distinguish them. If one asks what you are giving the baby you can always

extol the virtues of the local herbalist.

Coral can contain empitigo -- at least it did in the Pacific. A scratch

could become infected.

chain maile if it is lead free. My daughter teethed on car keys. She also

loved Tender Vittles (Not exactly period though). LOL

---of course I took the cat food away from her---- <g>

 

 

From: Shelley Howell <shelley at central.starport.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: 27 May 1998 20:06:00 -0700

 

The Book "The Quacks of London", a book on doctors in the 16th century,

recommends olive wood beads for "the breeding of teeth".  A strand to be worn

around the neck.  

It seems like it would work for a teething ring, however the doctors believed

in the effacacy of the olive wood.

 

Lady Sophia

 

 

From: Sharon Palmer <palmer.74 at osu.edu>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Renaissance chompie toys

Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:41:51 -0400

Organization: The WOSU Stations

 

jen_guy at mindspring.com wrote:

> Duh, I meant to say Victorian amber with *baby teeth marks*. Makes

> more sense, hey?

 

I would not give amber to a baby, it is too soft.  As a toddler

my son bit one of my beads in half. The pieces could choke an

infant.  And the necklace needed to be re-strung.

--

Sharon Palmer              The WOSU Stations

palmer.74 at osu.edu          Support Public Broadcasting

 

 

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:34:11 -0400

From: "Ron Rispoli" <rispoli at gte.net>

Subject: Re: SC - period teething

 

> I've not heard of any teething items that were edible, or at least

> I don't remember any. [in period]

 

Arrowroot biscuits by Gerber.  In my family we use anise flavored biscotti

and or rub the gums with Anisette.

 

 

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:28:43 EDT

From: WyteRayven at aol.com

Subject: SC - Teething things

 

When I was a baby, we lived in france for a short time. I remember my mom telling me that mothers there would give their children stale crusts from french bread to teeth on.

 

I would imagine that this is the same type of thing that was used in period.

 

Ilia

 

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