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pregnancy-msg - 5/30/11


Pregnancy in period. Handling it in the SCA.


NOTE: See also the files: children-msg, babies-msg, teething-toys-msg, baby-gifts-msg, child-clothes-msg, clothing-MN-msg.





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   Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: orilee at xerox.com (Orilee Ireland-Delfs)

Subject: Re: Need Pennsic Info - bring camper?

Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:50:58 GMT


I attended Pennsic 8 1/2 months pregnant with my second child (she was born

in Sept.) and lived out of our tent as usual.


I made sure we had a reasonable proximation of a real bed to

sleep on so I was off the ground and had some padding.  A camp cot works

just fine (kept me from attempting to roll onto my back which was my

biggest problem : )


I did not plan on doing much and if I did leave camp it was for

short periods of time (short shopping trips, etc.)


Just make sure you are close to a port-a-privy for those midnight



Reasonably comfortable chairs and an understanding going in that

you will take it easy while you are there (wait on her a lot!)


Pennsic will consider she has a medical condition and be sure to

note it on her registration at the Gate.


You may also wish to discuss the trip with her doctor (mine wasn't

keen on the idea but told me he couldn't tell me not to go).  You will

need to consider adding time to the trip since she shouldn't ride for

more than 2 hours without getting out and walking (and add the extra

potty breaks as well).


The only other issues are keeping cool - lots of lightweight full garb -

make sure she has plenty of liquid to drink (water and fruit juice),

eats regularly, and gets plenty of sleep.


I must admit that I felt the most in-persona when I was pregnant at the



As long as she is healthy and has an uncomplicated pregnancy, she should

do fine even without the camper.


(I would also be prepared for the possibility of early delivery with,

at least, her physician's name and phone number as well as any information

on medical conditions or alergies that will affect her delivery).


Good luck!




Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Need Pennsic Info - bring camper?

From: una at bregeuf.stonemarche.org (Honour Horne-Jaruk)

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 95 15:38:58 EDT


cerdic at mcmi.com (david h corson) writes:

> Okay, so some folks do just fine pregnant at the War, but I seem to

> remember almost loosing a friend at PW 13---and the child, due to not

> enough food or liquid.....Alizonde(sp) are you there to comment????

> Anyhow, Please think this through very carefully, we really do not want

> to deal with a birth at the War......

> Elaina of Oaklawn, who uses a bed because at her age the floor is just

> too hard to get up from, and so understands the need for one......

> Elaina, Information Officer, PW24


      Respected friend:

      I was Pregnant at pennsic, I did get sick at Pennsic (I get sick

at every Pennsic, I have a chronic illness that does that sort of thing to

people)... but my pregnancy was never in any medical danger. I was

hospitalized _overnight_, for _monitoring_, after catching the Pennsic

Plague. I know I was back on-site the next day; I've got pictures of Amber

putting a Laurel medallion around the neck of someone wearing my garb, and

jewelery, and hair. (And I would _so_ love pictures of the front of me, from

any source whatsoever... I think my son thinks I hatched him.)

      I was also at TYC, where one of the attending Royals left the site

to give birth to a daughter and returned to walk in the next day's procession.

Pregnancy in an otherwise-healthy adult is less dangerous under camping

conditions than is medical obesity under the same circumstances.

      I was dehydrated due to to the flulike illness that also laid low

so many fighters, cooks, jongleurs and (other) merchants. I took better care

of myself than most of them did, specifically because I was pregnant, and

recieved lavish attention for the same reason. Alex was born not only

full-term, but at three weeks, one day _after_ his due date. (16 Oct., to be

precise.) Obviously Pennsic did neither of us any lasting harm.

      A birth occurring while the mother was away from home would be an

inconvenience, especially for her relatives who wouldn't get to harass her

in the hospital as easily as they could at home. But it would be nothing more.

      Unless the mother was a complete mute, she would not have a chance of

actually giving birth _at_ Pennsic. Somebody would call the medics in plenty

of time.

      Please don't worry. They're planning ahead, they have plans in place,

and they've got at least as good a chance of being just fine as does any of

the one thousand airheaded 19-year-olds who will show up with no warm clothes

and no clue.

      Remember, I wasn't healthy _before_ I got pregnant. And I did just



                               Yours in service to the Society-

                               (Friend) Honour Horne-Jaruk R.S.F.

                               Alizaunde, Demoiselle de Bregeuf C.O.L. SCA

                               Una Wicca (That Pict)



Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: ojid.wbst845 at xerox.com (Orilee Ireland-Delfs)

Subject: Re: Costuming and Pregnancy

Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:50:47 GMT


First of all, I agree with Tangwystyl - if you've never done any form of

camping or even if you've camped but are new to the SCA, camping at 6-7 months

pregnant is something to seriously consider not doing.  I've done Pennsic for a

week at 8 months, but that was with my second pregnancy and having been in the

SCA for a *lot* of years.  If you wish to attend 30 year, I recommend finding

accomodations that are not camping (a local hotel or motel) where you can have

hot and cold running water, flushing toilets, a real bed, and AIR CONDITIONING

(at that stage of your pregnancy, you will need all of the above). Conversely,

attend smaller events now to get a feel for what you are getting yourself in for

and save big events (like xx yr celebrations) for later when you are more comfortable and know what you are in for.


Garb - there have been some good suggestions.  Many periods had garb that was

ideally suited for pregnancy and was generally very easy to make. You will want

it loose and cool.


Whatever you do, be aware that it is very easy to overtire and dehydrate at

events (even one day events) and it is especially easy to do when pregnant.  

Take it easy and don't try to do everything at once.  There will be plenty of

opportunities to see and do all there is to do at future events.


Orianna Fridrikskona



Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:47:47 -0800

From: "Crystal A. Isaac" <crystal at pdr-is.com>

Subject: Re: SC - very OOP & OT


Excellent documentation for medieval pregancies:


Rowland, Beryl, editor and translator. _Medieval Woman's Guide to

Health: The First English Gynecological Handbook_. Published by Kent

State University Press, Kent Ohio. 1981. ISBN 0-87338-243-9


It even has drawings of the various ways a fetus can be positioned

within the womb, perhaps a precursor to ultrasound pictures?





Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:31:15 -0600 (CST)

From: jenne at fiedlerfamily.net

Subject: [Sca-cooks] obstetrical food question...

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org


Um, nobody may have mentioned it, but one of the reasons I've been pretty

peripatetic on the list is that I'm expecting a baby boy, due before

February 23, 2009. (We also moved to NJ a couple of months ago, just to

make everything more interesting, and most of my books are still packed.)


As a result, I've been re-reading some of my period obstetrical texts

(well, trust me, with Gestational Diabetes the modern 'you're having a

baby' books are less than helpful anyway) and came across the statement in

the _Rosegarden for Pregnant Women and Midwives_ that before a certain

point in the pregnancy one should eat costive foods, and towards the end,

laxative foods. This squares with advice from my nurse-practitioner, who

pointed out that getting the runs is sometimes considered a good way to

provoke labor.


Now, I'm familiar with the usual list of *modern* foods that *are* costive

(Bananas, Dark Chocolate, Rice, Tea, Applesauce, etc.) and that fresh

fruit in particular are usually considered laxative, both in period and

today. In fact, anything with high amounts of fiber is now considered



But, since I can't lay my hands on my copy of Galen On Food and Diet, can

people suggest some other period/modern 'laxative' foods?


-- Jenne Heise / Jadwiga Zajaczkowa



Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:00:40 -0500

From: "Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius" <adamantius1 at verizon.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] obstetrical food question...

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:31 PM, jenne at fiedlerfamily.net wrote:

<<< But, since I can't lay my hands on my copy of Galen On Food and  

Diet, can people suggest some other period/modern 'laxative' foods? >>>




Or here:



This'll get you to Google Books and Andrew Boorde's (he was a big  

Galen devotee, as I recall) views on the subject. Among other things  

he says,


"They that hath any of the iiii kyndes of the Idropyses /

must refraine from al thynges the which be constupat and costyue, and  

use all thynges the which be laxatyue /

nuttes, and dry almondes, and hard chese is poyson to them; a ptysane  

and posset ale made with colde herbes doth comfort them."


It sounds like he's thinking in pretty basic humoral terms, with the  

things that open the chest (or in this case, the bowels), versus  

closing them. I thought nuts, being high in fiber, would be considered  

a laxative food, but hard cheese, at least in period viewpoints, is  

definitely not one, so it sounds like he's telling a constipated  

person (that being one form of dropsy) to avoid nuts, dry almonds, and  

hard cheese, in favor of a nice cooling posset...





Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:38:16 -0800 (PST)

From: Raphaella DiContini <raphaellad at yahoo.com>

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Thoughts on food as medicine



     I'm currently doing research on fertility and childbirth in Renaissance

Italy. This is a slight tangent in the overall focus of the paper I'm working

on that will look at food recommendations for all stages of fertility from

what would supposedly help in getting pregnant (and what would supposedly help

create a much desired male child), through all stages of pregnancy and

finally possibly tying up with the symbolic food related gifts the mother was

given after birth.  

One of the things that caught my eye when reading "Diet during Pregnancy in the

Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries by MICHAEL K. ESHLEMAN" was a mention of

something I had seen before in Italian sources (this article is fantastic but is

focused on English sources). One of the things that jumped out at me in this

article is a list of diet recommendations for women who are weak and thin or

experiencing blood loss (with their capitalization, but my emphasis)-" A

strengthening and cooling Diet, feeding on Meat that breeds good Blood and

thinkens it; as are good Broths made with Poultry; Necks of Mutton, Knuckles of

Veal, in which are proper for her: *Ler her drink the Water in which Iron is

quenched*, with a little syrup of Quince... " From Mauriceau, Diseases.

The part about the quince syrup is new to me, but I've definitely heard

recommendations for water in which a hot iron has been quenched in my Italian

sources. The one I have closest to hand is from Marinello.  Wine is beneficial

for the stomach and generates good spirits and heat. A light red is best, and if

you mix it with water, then use water in which you have extinguished a hot

Iron". [Giovanni] Michele Savanarola also mentions both wine and water, but says

that a mother to be should drink red wine that is "subtle, aromatic and well

aged", which could be mixed with a "little water" if it's felt that such a wine

should be an aperitif. White wine should be avoided until the ninth month,

although it's apparently it's more fashionable for ladies as he says "it's true

the white wine looks better in your hand". Most tellingly he says that "Cold

water is not good at all - better to drink wine".


At first I thought this recommendation could be potentially a) to balance the

humors to more hot than the cold nature of water, b) to purify the water making

it safer to drink, or c) to act as an Iron supplement, like cooking something in

cast iron. That this reference specifically calls for it context of women who

are weak or have experienced blood loss it leads me to see this more as a way to

introduce more Iron into the diet, like a supplement.


I've got a couple of potential blacksmith volunteers who will allow me

to fill a quenching barrel/ bucket/ whatever for him and keep a sample of the

water as a control. I'd like to then test the water after the first three

quenches as a baseline idea of the increase per quench (if it's enough to even

register) and then test it again at the end of the day. If we did this at June

Fair I could even potentially test it again at the end of Sunday. I'm also

hoping to test for bacteria at the same time as I do the Iron testing so I can

test both the sterelizing and enriching theories. I've found two options each

for the bacterial and Iron testing, but I have no idea what might work best for

these experiments.


Raffaella di Contino / Heather Ruiter

P.S. My life is just starting to calm down after returning to work

post-maternity leave.



Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:29:39 -0500

From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Thoughts on food as medicine


Don't know if you are interested but the Mauriceau, Diseases

is featured at:



The English edition of his book The Diseases of Women with Child ...

By Fran?ois Mauriceau, Hugh Chamberlen from 1727 is up on Google Books.

(His dates are 1637-1709)

Searching under the term iron in the book turns up some other calls for iron

in water. Using the plain text function (and you should check the  

actual text versus the plain text}


page 60 discusses vomiting during pregnancy--

To hinder this Vomiting from afflicting the Woman much, or long, (it  

being very difficult to hinder it quite) let her use good Food, such  

as is fpecify'd before in the Rules of Diet 5 but little at a time, that


the the Stomach may contain it without Pain, and not be constrained to  

vomit it up, as it must when they take too much, because the big Belly  

hinders the free Extension of it; and for to comfort and strengthen it  

(being always weak) let her season her Moat with the Juice of Oranges,  

Limons, Pomgranates, or a little Verjuice or Role-Vinegar, according  

to her Appetite. She may take likewise a Decoction made of French  

Barley-Flower, or good Wheat-Flower, having dried the Flower a little  

before in an Oven, mixing the Yolk of an Egg with it, which is very  

nourishing, and of easy Digestion: She may likewise eat after her  

Meals a little Marmalade of Quinces, or the Jelly of Gooseberries ;  

let her Drink be good old Wine, rather Claret than White, being well  

mix'd with good running Fountain-Water, and not that which hath been  

kept long in Cisterns,as is most of the Water of our Fountains of  

Paris., which acquire by that Stay an evil Quality: If she cannot get  

such fresh Water, let her rather use River Water taken up in a Place  

free from Filth, in which she may sometimes quench hot Iron: Above  

all, let her forbear all fat Meats and Sauces, for they extremely  

moisten and soften the Membranes of the Stomach, which are already  

weak enough, and relaxed by the Vomitings j as also all sweet and  

sugared Sauces, which are not convenient for her, but rather such as  

arc a little sharp, with which it is delighted and comforted.


But if notwithstanding these Precautions, and this regular Diet, the  

Vomiting (as it sometimes happens) continues still, altho' the Woman  

be above half gone, it is a clear Sign there are corrupt Humours  

cleaving to the Insides of the Stomach



With regard to miscarriages and losing a child- page 80

and accustom her self to good Food of easie Digestion, and little at a  

time, that so her Strength may be able the easier to concoct and  

digest it; she should drink a little deep Claret-Wine, mixed with  

Water in which Iron hath been quenched, instead of Ptijan, which is  

not proper in this Case, provided she have not a strong Fever j for if  

it be but a small Fever, Wine on this manner is to be preferred,  

forasmuch as the fewer she hath at that time, is but fymptoma* tick,  

caused by this Debility of Stomach, and will vanish as soon as this is  

fortified j which will be yet more promoted, if the Woman before and  

after Meals takes some Corroboratives, as a little of that Burnt-Wine  

we mentioned for the Cough in the ifth Chapter of this Book j or a  

little good Hippocras, or right Canary, of any of them according to  

her Palate j neither will it be amiss if she eats a little good  

Marmalade of Quince before Meals: She may likewise wear upon the Pit  

of her Stomach a Lamb-Skin with the Wools, to preserve it, and augment  

its natural Heat, which is very necessary to digest  Food; Food j *  

observing above all, to give no purging Medicine, when  this Flux is  

only caused by Weakness, lest it be thereby augmented.


page 81 continues--


If it be a Diarrh?a, ..... snipped


but if it continues above four or five Days, it is a Sign then that  

there are ill Humours contained and cleaving to the Inside of the  

Guts, which provoke them often to be discharged, and ought to be  

removed with some purging Medicine that may loosen and evacuate them,  

after which the Flux will certainly cease, some light Infusion of  

Senna and Rhubarb, with Syrup of Succory, or an Ounce of  

Diacatholicon, with a little Rhubarb for a Bolus, to be taken in a  



But if, notwithstanding fit Purges and a regular Dyet, this Flax  

continues, and changes into a Dyfenteria, the Patient voiding every  

Moment bloody Stools, with much Pain and Needing, she is then in great  

Danger of miscarrying, and its Prevention ought to be endeavoured, if  

possible. Therefore, after having purged away the ill Humour, (with  

the Medicines' above-mentioned) which were in the Guts, and hindring,  

by a good Dyet, that no more be engendredj to which purpose let her  

use good Brooths made of Veal or Chicken, with cooling Herbs, to  

temper the Acrimony of these hot Humours ;."let her eat Pap with the  

Yolk of an Egg new layed, being well boiled: Such Dyet softens and  

sweetens the Guts within. Let her Drink be Water, in which Iron or  

Steel was quenched, with a little Wine, if she be not feverish, for  

then half a Spoonful of Syrup of Quince or Pomegranates is better to  

mix with the forefaid Water ; She may likewise eat a little Marmalade  

of Quince, or other Astringents and Strengthners, provided her Body  

was well purged before:


The advice that you cited can be found on pages 85 and 86.


Wine and water in which iron is quenched is also mentioned on page  

261and 248.




The 1975 Eshleman paper is cited very infrequently, so a citation  

search only turned up this possible other paper that might be of  



Abel EL  "Who goes drunk to bed begets but a girl": The history of a  

Renaissance medical proverb  JOURNAL OF THE HISTORY OF MEDICINE AND  

ALLIED SCIENCES  54  1  5-22  JAN 1999


It's English based but Audrey Eccles 1982 work Obstetrics and  

gynaecology in Tudor and Stuart England might be of interest.





Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:14:20 -0300

From: Suey <lordhunt at gmail.com>

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Thoughts on food as medicine


Raphaella wrote:

<<< I'm currently doing research on fertility and childbirth in Renaissance

Italy... One of the things that jumped out at me in this

article is a list of diet recommendations for women who are weak and thin or

experiencing blood loss >>>


Wheat was the first food to represent fertility. Ancient Greeks

dedicated quinces to the goddess of love and thought them to be the

symbol of fertility. In the Arab world figs were synonymous with**love

and fertility. Sweet almonds were thrown on newly weds as a symbol of

fertility. In Al-Andalus cucumber came to mean fertility as well as

carrots. Hawthorn symbolized spring, hope, marriage and fertility. In

Europe, parsley seeds were eaten by men and women to increase fertility

but not in England. Parsley is not recorded there until 1548.


Avenzoar, 1091-1161, physician of the Almoravide and Almorhad Emirs of

Cordova, claimed that men and women should ingested ivory shavings before

having sex in order for the woman to become pregnant. He continued to

state that if the left paw of a hare is hung on the woman's thigh during

sex she will become pregnant as it possesses that peculiarity;

nevertheless to insure this effect another paw should be hung on the

girdle of the man. Avenzoar thought that pregnant mothers, during the

last trimester of their term, should eat pawns and other shellfish such

as lobster and shrimp, as they contain what we now call Omega 3, a

polyunsaturated acid, that helps the development of intelligence and the

brain. A medieval wives' tale is that pregnant women who ate plenty of

quinces produced very intelligent children.



Those are some nicities. There were some pretty gross ways to get women

pregnant you do not want to hear about.

Bleeding was not common in Spain as Avenzoar was against it.





Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:16:29 -0800 (PST)

From: Raphaella DiContini <raphaellad at yahoo.com>

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>,      Johnna

      Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Thoughts on food as medicine


My focus is really more on the Italian, but I have been searching further afield

to try to get the broadest base of information possible before I narrow it down

so I'm not relying on just 1-2 sources. I've been looking at information from

other sources (i.e. not just Italian) in hopes of seeing if medical

recommendations were spread much like the blatant copying of recipes/ cookbooks

that happend at this time.


I actually found "Who goes drunk to bed begets but a girl": The history of a

Renaissance medical proverb- online Monday and read it on the bus ride home.

It's also mostly focused on the English, but provides some interesting back

ground and succinct summation of Aristotelianism, vs. Hippocratic theory and how

Galen straddles the two (mostly leaning towards Aristotelianism, except for

being more in line with Hippocrates's two-seed theory of procreation). I found

it amusing, and It's definitely worth a read.


If by any chance you might know where I can get my hands on the 1593 Obstetrics

textbook, La commare o raccoglitrice I would be extremely and eternally

grateful, or electronic versions of any of the many health manuals printed in

Italy1400-1600. I'd love to get my hands on a copy of Luigi Belloni's edition of

Michele Savanarola, Gioberti, Marinello, or Mecurio.


I've found some great books, but most of them just lightly touch on a small

aspect of what I'm looking at. I bought myself a bunch of related books as a

holiday gift.


Here's my current reading list:

The Medical Renaissance of the 16th Century, Marriage Wars in Late Renaissance

Venice, Collected Letters of Renaissance Feminists, Women in the Streets (Essays

on Sex and Power in Renaissance Italy), Women, Family and Ritual in Renaissance

Italy, Women and Men in Renaissance Venice (Twelve Essays on Patrician Society),

and The Renaissance Man and His Children (Childbirth and Early Childhood in

Florence 1300-1600), the Boundaries of Eros (Sex Crime & Sexuality in

Renaissance Venice).


I had also found a bunch of interesting articles, several of which I've written

reviews for, if anyone is ineterested, this is just a small selection.


The fate of popular terms for female anatomy in the age of


http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/286711.pdf acceptTC=true

Anatomizing the past: Physicians and History in Renaissance Culture:


Science and humanism in the Italian Renaissance:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/1852869.pdf acceptTC=true

Theory, Everyday Practice and Three Fifteenth Century Physicians:


Medieval Women's Guides to Food During Pregnancy: Origins, Texts, and Traditions


and this, The Sources of Eucharius R?sslin's "Rosegarden for Pregnant Women and

Midwives' (1513)"



The book that started this field of study for me is "How to Do It - Guides to

Good Living for Renaissance Italians" by Rudolph M. Bell and I can't recommend

it enough. It's packed full of fantastic information and I think it's lively

enough for even non-scholars to be kept interested.





Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:20:22 -0800

From: lilinah at earthlink.net

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org

Subject: [Sca-cooks] "Middle eastern" drinks for pregnant people


Aldyth wrote:

<<< I have just been asked to do vigil food for a wonderful lady. She is

"Norman" but wants Middle Eastern food and drink. I am OK on the food

aspect. She is a very high risk pregnancy and will be 6 months along at her

elevation. She would like teas. >>>


Tea, i.e., camellia sinensis, is something I have seen no evidence

for in the Middle East within SCA period. Warm beverages of various

sorts, on the other hand, are :)


> And was interested in the mint and yogurt over ice.


Mmm.mmm.mmm, ayran (Turkish)/doogh (Persian) (pronounced dew/doo). I

will have to double check, but I may have seen a period reference for



* Beat until smooth good quality yogurt - works and tastes best if

yogurt is without added stabilizers and thickeners.

* Beat in cold water or cold milk or cold cucumber juice or

carbonated water until the consistency of whole milk.

* It can have mint added, and/or a pinch of salt

* This can be left for a couple days until lactic fermentation make

it fizzy. (although perhaps not for this lady)


> Does anyone have ideas?


* Sharab/sherbet *


A common beverage is sharab (from which we get the word shrub for a

cool beverage; the plural of the Arabic word sharab is sharbat).

Sharbat are syrups made of sugar and fruit juice or various herbs and

spices. While we tend to think of serving this cold, they were

actually often served warm in Arabic speaking lands. Wealthy

Ottomans, on the other hand, often served them, which they called

sherbet, cold, over snow or ice collected from the mountains or saved

from the winter.


In the Ottoman world, sherbet could be made of:

- Apple: Sour Apple

- Apple: Sweet Apple

- Bitter (Seville) Orange

- Citron

- Date

- French Lavender

- Grape (i don't know if fresh grape juice or pekmez/grape molasses)

- Honey (probably honey and sugar mixed)

- Jujube (Ziziphus zizyphus, sometimes called Chinese date or red date)

- Lemon

- Mint

- Mulberry

- Peach

- Pear

- Pomegranate: Sour Pomegranate

- Pomegranate: Sweet Pomegranate

- Quince

- Rhubarb

- Red Rose (made with fresh red roses)

- Rose and Lemon

- Rose Water (made with rose (gul) water (ab), aka juleb, whence julep)

- Sour (Morello) Cherry

- Sugar (i.e., without flavoring, aka simple syrup)

- Tamarind


- Violet


So you could make any of these and have an historical beverage. As

far as how to, there are also number of sharbat recipes in the

Anonymous Andalusian cookbook. Since she is high risk, i would skip

most of the herb and spice blends, since i don't know how she would

react to them. But there also are recipes for lemon and pomegranate

syrups. Because pomegranates are not always in season, i buy 100%

pure pomegranate juice (and some other 100% pure juices) you may have

to check a health food store, since normal supermarkets often have

100% fruit juices, but made with apple and/or grape juice along with

whatever the main flavor it.


* Khoshaf/hoshaf/hoshab *


Another refreshing Ottoman beverage is hoshab/hoshaf, (from Persian,

meaning, pleasant (khosh) water (ab)) which is made with fruits

and/or nuts cooked with sugar and water. It served in a small bowl

and was eaten with a small ladle-like spoon, drinking the liquid from

the spoon, then eating the solids. In the 16th and 17th centuries it

was made with only one fruit at a time:

- Apricots

- Cornelians (aka cornel cherries)

- Figs

- Grapes (or possibly raisins)

- Peaches


- Pears


In more recent times, however, it is often made with a combination

of dried fruits and nuts such as almonds, walnuts, pistachios, and/or

pine nuts. One modern recipe I have uses dried apricots, prunes,

raisins, halved almonds, pistachios, pine nuts, water, granulated

white sugar, rose water, and orange blossom water, and doesn't

require cooking, just soaking together for a couple days.


This can be soothing, refreshing, and rejuvenating.


> Pomegranate tea sounds good,


Not sure what pomegranate tea would be. Please describe.


> but hibiscus doesn't.


Just curious, why not hibiscus (aka jamaica, pronounced ha.my.ka)? It

is rich in nutrients and has a pleasant tangy flavor, not as sharp as

lemon, but similarly refreshing.


Sekanjubin has been suggested. It is not a personal favorite, and I

find it especially unpleasant if made with cider vinegar. Before

serving your lady nothing but sekanjubin, I'd suggest letting her taste

some to see if it agrees with her in her current state. Unless, of

course, you find she is already enjoying it.


Urtatim [that's err-tah-TEEM]

the persona formerly known as Anahita


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