Middle-hist-msg – 6/12/09
Histories of the Middle Kingdom.
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From: folo at prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Blackpowder, you must be kidding
Date: 9 Jun 1994 17:37:37 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Black powder is not allowed at events in the Middle Kingdom
(black powder weapons are, however). And I know why. I helped
make the law.
Many years ago, there was a gentle who knew nothing of black
powder, brought an oop flintlock pistol to an event and
discharged it. Indoors. The MK curia regis, not wishing to
single out one person, made a law forbidding black powder.
We figured that if someone responsible came up with the
proper authenticity and safety regs at a later date, the
law could be amended (aside: at least two of us who were
then on the curia are now very active in black-powder-
oriented reeanacting). By the time a bunch of us got around
to writing up regulations, the law was so entrenched that
people were telling me, Well, the Board outlawed black
powder, that's why we wrote that law way back when. :)
In coming up with the aforementioned regulations, we were
adament on three points: one, that black powder was never
to be used *on* the field of combat; two, that we would
never use any projectiles beyond carefully restricted
wadding; three, that safety precautions far outweighed any
authenticity concerns.
In brief then, whenever I speak of using black powder at
an SCA events, I am referring only to its use in a
demonstration or as a signalling device. I am now, always
have been and probably always will be opposed to using
any sort of projectiles fired by black-powder ordinance
on the field of combat.
Yrs, Folo
--
Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - folo at prairienet.org
Baron Wurm Wald (MK) - Commander Baldwin's Reg't (NWTA)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: ddfr at quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman)
Subject: Re: Estrella Compact
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 22:33:05 GMT
"I wish I had a nickel for every high-ranker who blythely comments
"How would you like to have my job?"" (Tadhg)
A very long time, not much after we moved back to Chicago, the U of C
group was being run by a lady who was bored with being Seneschal but
did not really want to let go. At one meeting she said something to
the effect that her term was up, that she did not really want to be
Seneschal again, but that she did not suppose anyone else would want
the job. Someone promptly proposed one of the newer members. She went
off with him and explained how difficult a group it was to run. He
replied that the year before he had been an officer of the Gay and
Lesbian Alliance, and he thought the SCA would be easy by comparison.
He took the job, and did it well (until, unfortunately, he moved out
of town).
David/Cariadoc
From: Raven <JSINGLE at MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Michael of Boarshaven
Date: 03 AUG 94 12:11:46 EST
Organization: Milwaukee Area Technical College
btuck at winternet.com (Ben Tucker) writes:
>Bruce Mills (millsbn at mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote:
>
>: I haven't heard about this before. Was it common knowledge at the time?
>: This would go a long way towards understanding what happened. Was it kept
>: quiet so as to not rock the boat? As things turned out, might
>: it not have been better for Michael to step down right after the incident?
>: Not having been there (or even in the SCA) at the time, I can only
>: speculate on the motivations of those involved.
>
>Well, it's in the Middle Kingdom history that Baron Daemon de Folo sells.
>The story is pretty well known on this end of the MK.
And Folo should know...
he was Michael's advisor from shortly after Michael won Crown.
Folo, would you care to expand on these events?
"Raven" (JSingle at Music.Lib.MATC.Edu) Milwaukee, Wisconsin USA
From: julifolo at ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (watkins julia k)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Michael of Boarshaven
Date: 3 Aug 1994 03:31:10 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
This is Folo, posting from his wife's account since his system
suffered a disk crash (right after an extended weekend, so I
haven't read mail for five days; if you've sent me anything,
that's why you haven't heard from me).
Michael was amoral, vindictive and manipulative long before the
attack. His problem *was* commonly known at the time; in fact,
there was a rumor that Rolac (Michael's predecessor) was going
to keep him from being crowned due to the amnesia. Michael
suffered from his amnesia for, possibly, a couple weeks; it's
impossible to tell because a) he was still having problems
for some time afterwards and b) he was faking it quite a bit
(I remember the evening that I was over at his place, and his
girlfriend turned to him and said, bluntly, "Folo's your friend;
why don't you just tell him the truth?").
Any problems that Michael suffered from after the attack were
there, in spades, before the attack.
Remember, though, that Michael could be incredibly charming and
sweet...when it served his purposes. He had said, when he was
tanist, that he would leave the MidRealm a better place, even
though he might be hated; and the changes that came about in
response to his...actions...would certainly fill that bill.
BTW, Richard d'Alsace, who was MidRealm Seneschal at the time,
once noted that Michael was probably the most authentically
medieval monarch he had ever seen: when he entered an event,
every eye in the room turned to him. He was regarded with
the same awe and fear that medieval monarchs were regarded,
although it was not because he held power of life or death
over his subjects but because he could very easily ruin the
entire weekend for his subjects (Richard's opinion, not
mine).
Yrs, Folo
From: mchance at crl.com (Michael A. Chance)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: We're having *what* for dinner? (Was: Kosher Locusts)
Date: 3 Aug 1994 20:52:34 -0700
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access
Auntie Signy writes:
> Long long ago in a kingdom much too close for comfort (the Middle,
>actually) there was "June Bug Chili." The original came about because
>someone forgot to put the cover on the chili; nowadays we just add whole
>almonds.
Ah, yes, the Barony of Illiton's famous June Bug Chili, served every
year at the Olde English Fair at Jubilee State Park. There's
something... "special"...about eating crunchy chili as you watch the
junebugs flitter about the lanterns in the kitchen...
Mikjal Annarbjorn
--
Michael A. Chance St. Louis, Missouri, USA "At play in the fields
Work: mc307a at sw1stc.sbc.com of St. Vidicon"
Play: mchance at crl.com
mchance at nyx.cs.du.edu
From: folo at prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Freaking the Mundanes? But why?
Date: 18 Oct 1994 21:55:16 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
As I understand it, Scadian was originally a derogatory term
applied to members of the SCA by some of the members of Markland.
As in all groups with strong cultural identities, the SCA has a
tendency to take derogatory terms and turn them on their ears.
I think Scadian is a wonderful term and shall continue to use
it no matter what its origins (sort of like "Skah" in the
MidRealm, which was originally a derogatory term coined by
disgruntled local skiffy fans who saw the SCA siphoning off
their members; the full phrase was something like "Skah, the
Thing That Devoured Fandom...")
Yrs, Folo
--
Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - folo at prairienet.org
Baron Wurm Wald (MidRealm) - Commander Baldwin's (NWTA)
From: David Schroeder <ds4p+ at andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: REALLY REALLY old timers needed
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:15:15 -0400
Organization: Sponsored account, Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Excerpts from netnews.rec.org.sca: 10-Apr-95 Re: REALLY REALLY old
timer.. by Henry Troup at bnr.ca
> In the Heraldic Precedents books, there's an early remark:
>
> "The Board believes xxx is the Dragon Herald because they have a newspaper
> clipping that says he is"
>
> or words to that effect. I think the name was Bran something,
> but I'm not going to commite myself.
>
Bran Kernow (or Kiernow) was the 1st Dragon Herald (from Tree-Girt-Sea)
My best -- Bertram
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: REALLY REALLY old timers needed
From: morgenstern at blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu (The Morgenstern Under the Mountain)
Date: 11 Apr 95 10:43:10 EST
Organization: Ball State University
In article <hwt-1004950820160001 at 47.187.224.125>, hwt at bnr.ca (Henry Troup) writes:
> In article <D6sxBs.831 at midway.uchicago.edu>, ddfr at midway.uchicago.edu wrote:
>
>> I cannot speak for the East Kingdom, since it was several years old
>> when I moved there. But when the Middle was being started, the Known
>> World Handbook was a major source for what we knew about the SCA.
>
> In the Heraldic Precedents books, there's an early remark:
>
> "The Board believes xxx is the Dragon Herald because they have a newspaper
> clipping that says he is"
>
> or words to that effect. I think the name was Bran something,
> but I'm not going to commite myself.
Bran was in fact the first Dragon Herald. In fact, he actaully coined the
name and was rather surprised when the Board accepted that as the actualname
for the office. He was a member from very nearly the beginning, but as I
recall, he wasn't at the first Middle Kingdom event.
I don't know about the newspaper clipping story, but it sounds
interesting...
Anybody remember some of those EARLY anti-BoD songs? "Lie, Lie, Lie to
the council, Lie to the heads of state..."
:)
Reb Azrael Morgenstern
(No, I wasn't there...I just recall what I read in the "Brief History of
the Midrealm.")
>
> Henry Troup - hwt at bnr.ca disclaimer - as usual
From: tmcd at crl.com (Timothy A. McDaniel)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Longest-active SCA members
Date: 22 Jun 1995 01:56:34 -0500
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest]
In article <3s2og5$2pp at newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Annejke <annejke at aol.com> wrote:
>There are many OLD folk around, all over 20 years. In the Middle Kingdom
>I know that ... Baron
>Caradoc of the Bow are still active.
It's a bit debatable, but we seem to have a new member of the SSS.
Could someone prod Justin du Coeur, please? I don't have his address.
This is from e-mail from His Grace, Duke Cariadoc, Knight, et cetera
(a fudge because I can't remember whether he's a Laurel, a Pelican, or
both):
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:58:32 -0500
Message-Id: <199506220458.XAA14324 at midway.uchicago.edu>
To: "Timothy A. McDaniel" <tmcd at crl.com>
From: ddfr at midway.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Baron?
In the very early years, when things were less organized than they
now are, Diana and I used the titles "Baron and Baroness
Tregirtsea," Tregirtsea being the capital province. Indeed, we
were sometimes referred to as the "Tregirtseas." My memory is that
we, or our herald, had asked some relevant person out west if we
could be Duke and Duchess of Tregirtsea, and this was suggested as
an alternative. On the other hand, I do not remember our ever
being officially made court baron and baroness, and Tregirtsea is
not a barony.
David/Cariadoc
David Friedman
ddfr at midway.uchicago.edu
I dimly recall reading a history of the early days of the Midrealm in
which "the Barony under the Mountain" was mentioned as a very early
name for the Middle. The arms had a dragon flying about a mountain,
and the later Middle arms changed the mountain into a pale. However,
I don't have the source to hand, so this is just an assertion.
--
Daniel de Lincoln
Tim McDaniel
tmcd at crl.com
Sometimes mcdaniel at dfw.net, sometimes tmcdanie at unicomp.net
Was tccg at netcom.com, was mcdaniel at convex.com, was mcdaniel at adi.com, ...
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Longest-active SCA members
From: morgenstern at blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu (The Morgenstern Under the Mountain)
Date: 24 Jun 95 18:00:43 EST
Organization: Ball State University
In article <3sb472$7da at crl12.crl.com>, tmcd at crl.com (Timothy A. McDaniel) writes:
>
> I dimly recall reading a history of the early days of the Midrealm in
> which "the Barony under the Mountain" was mentioned as a very early
> name for the Middle. The arms had a dragon flying about a mountain,
> and the later Middle arms changed the mountain into a pale. However,
> I don't have the source to hand, so this is just an assertion.
This sounds like Orlando Ambrosius' "Brief History of the Middle
Kingdom", in which he makes precisely that statement. I always liked the sound
of it, which referred to (I believe) Wilmot Mountain, at which one of the
Midrealm's eariest events (first coronation?) took place. Personally, I
prefer the mountain on the arms to the pale, but times change, I suppose.
"Baron Under the Mountain" is still used as a title for the King of the
Midrealm. At the Better War Through Archery event in January, I heard the
heralds announce the Queen as, among a half-dozen other titles, "Baroness Under
the Mountain", so I suppose the tradition has still stuck.
Azrael Morgenstern
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: DDFr at Midway.UChicago.edu (David Friedman)
Subject: Re: Longest-active SCA members
Organization: University of Chicago Law School
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 04:15:40 GMT
In article <1995Jun24.180043 at blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu>,
morgenstern at blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu (The Morgenstern Under the Mountain) wrote:
Timothy A. McDaniel writes:
> I dimly recall reading a history of the early days of the Midrealm in
> which "the Barony under the Mountain" was mentioned as a very early
> name for the Middle. The arms had a dragon flying about a mountain,
> and the later Middle arms changed the mountain into a pale. However,
> I don't have the source to hand, so this is just an assertion.
It was the principality under the mountain, to the best of my memory and
belief. I do not remember any such banner. Wilmot "mountain" is where the
first (and last) coronet tourney was held.
--
David/Cariadoc
DDFr at Midway.UChicago.Edu
From: Pat McGregor <PatriciaX_O_McGregor at ccm.fm.intel.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Teens in the SCA???
Date: 29 Sep 1995 16:45:51 GMT
Organization: Intel IT Tech Pubs
Bill McNutt <McNutt at gateway.ce.utk.edu> wrote:
>
>Like I said, I think that five years old is premature. I'm not so sure >about 15, and I'm SURE about 17.
>
>I think we need to rethink our national policy.
>
I was around when Sir Alen did a great deal of research through his law
firm about these sorts of laws, and I read his report (not officially
an "opinion") carefully. This was in the 1984-ish time frame, give or
take a year or so.
One of the problems was a great number of states who defined child abuse
so narrowly (and required reporting by hospitals, physicians, etc)
that an adult bruising a minor (even if that minor was 17) as child
abuse. Certainly the Middle didn't want to risk it, and the Board,
neither.
We probably need to have a similar survey done today.
siobhan
From: normteck at frontiernet.net at frontiernet.net
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA Mythology part 3
Date: 21 Feb 1996 02:50:54 GMT
Organization: Frontier Internet Access
>: That evening at court, Hugo also received a 'Dragon's tooth', the
>: Midrealms highest fighting award for his feat. Not to mention that he
>: made it to the quarter finals in his first coronet.
>The Mid has always been "funny" about awards. I know a guy who got his
>lordship for "writing" a filk, "Takin Care of Kingdom."
Baron Stephen Ironhand, at that time from the Mid, received the order of the
Dragon's Breath for his enthusiastic rendition of Happy Birthday, sung (if you're crazy enough to call it that) to the tune of the William Tell Overture (The Lone Ranger theme).
The scroll was done in Hatchet Hand by (since made Master) Pavel Iosovitch. I
understand Pavel destroyed 19 nibs making the scroll which couldn't be viewed
by women passing water in our bathroom, but the men could see it while
performing the same task.
If anyone can add to this one I'm sure the story could only improve.
Raphael Tempovaloroso, OGS, OCL
Thescorre, Regnum Orientalis
From: ianengle at freenet.columbus.oh.us (Ian Engle)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Middle broke away?
Date: 3 Jul 1996 10:58:19 -0400
Organization: The Greater Columbus FreeNet
Hmm.
Well, as Cariadoc noted and as is recorded in Orlando Ambrosius'
History of the Middle Kingdom, there was a period of some six months when
we were a "principality" of the East. But then things were much looser in
those days. We were never a principality in the "modern" sense of the word.
--Sion
Subject: Re: ANST - Principality petitions/seccession war
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 14:42:19 MST
From: "Galen W. Bevel" <galenbv at ix.netcom.com>
To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG
Scot Eddy wrote:
............................Coronation has a battle and the Prince
> "banishes" the old King and steps up. He then chooses a champion from
> those that distiguished themselves in the battle. Lots of persona
> play, a medieval reality (overthrowing the King) and lots of fun.
>
> Again no dishonor to Ansteorra is meant, just a cool stepping up idea.
>
> Jovian Skleros
> Ansteorran
Actually, this sort of thing has been done in the past in other
Kingdoms, tho' it isn't our custom. Let me see if I can get a great
story straight as it was related to me.
When Edmund first stepped up as King of the Middle, he wanted a cool
Coronation. Having met and been befriended by Edmund (and my self, from
Ansteorra as fate would have it)at Gulf Wars V, Bjorn, King of the East
thought it would be fun to show up at Edmunds Coronation. He marched in
with several of his knights and claimed that they were there to
"protect" the Middle throne during the interegnum, following the recent
demise of the Middle soveriegn. Of course, this interegnum might end up
lasting several years. Edmund, totally caught off guard, valiantly
proclaimed his right to the throne and he and the knights of the Middle
went off to seek their armor and trounce these invading Easterners. A
royal melee (literally) ensued, with Edmund of course coming out
victorius and going on to ascend the Mid-Realm throne. Bjorn told me at
the 30year Celebration that at one time during the battle, the knights
got so enthusiastic about the battle that they left Edmund standing
alone, beside Bjorn...and two or three Eastern knights. Bjorn said it
was almost more temptation than he could handle, but he was good and
went off to join his other knights in battle, and left the Middle its
Crown Prince.
I make no claims for the veracity of this story, as I am telling it from
memory after several years, and of course feel the need for a bit of
poetic license to make it more enjoyable, but any variations from the
basic truth are accidents and entirely the fault of my leaky memory. In
such a case..my apologies to both Edmund and Bjorn.
Graf Galen K.
Subject: Re: BG - principalities else where..
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 98 11:17:06 MST
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To: bryn-gwlad at Ansteorra.ORG
Hello, this is Raito.
I'd like to comment on Nicolaa de Bracton's message on Ealdomere as I was living
in the Middle Kingdom at the time all this happened.
Much has been deleted from the original.
> > I can tell you a little why we chose that route. I think it was in the back
> > of the mind of the first group members up here to someday have a Northern
> > Kingdom. Round about 1986 or so, we decided to select a regional
> > champion--this is the route Calontir had taken towards becoming a kingdom
> > some years before. But things had changed; the Middle Kingdom decided that
> > regions could not have champions or even names. This was decided without
> > consulting us here in Ealdormere, so we felt crushed. However, two years
> > later, we became a Crown Principality (that's a principality in name, but
> > without Royalty) and about 2 1/2 years after that, in 1990, we advanced to
> > full Principality status. Last January, we were approved to advance to
> > Kingdom status, which we will do next October.
The Regional Debacle was an example of the wrong (though very Middle) reaction
to a problem. As I understand, the reason Regions (capital R) were banned was
because some clueless person thought that they were more than they were, and
was demanding status based on it. Instead of quietly dragging said individual
into a corner and beating some sense into them, the Middle made a Law (which
is their tendency. If you've been around long enough, you know which laws were
made as a result of whose troubles). This led to the age of 'independently
administered geographical areas'. Later, there were regions again.
> > One of the driving reasons why we became a Principality was the size of the
> > Middle Kingdom. It's huge. We also thought we had a somewhat different
> > culture here (being all Canadians, for one thing, and tending towards lots
> > of smaller groups instead of fewer huge groups). We also, as I mentioned,
> > wanted to see our own folks as Royalty--the King and Queen were people we
> > saw once a reign, if we were lucky, at that point.
In fact, the Middle Kingdom is so big that it makes some of the arguments about
Principalities in Ansteorra a bit amusing to me. It still stretches from Manitoba to Kentucky. Those of you who think that Ansteorra is too big should try getting to Winnipeg from anywhere. Actually, Castel Rouge (Winnipeg) was placed into the Principality of Northshield against its will.
Having lived through the creation of 3 princilaplities in the Middle (Calontir,
Ealdomere, and Northshield), I can say that the successful ones had some
important items in common. They were already acting like Principalities, and
had very active desire to become Principalities. In those cases, it was not
done to ease any burden on the Kingdom, and had nothing to do with the Kingdom.
They already had their own culture. The less successful one did not have these
items. I had visited all 3 while they were Principalities. It was obvious to me
which had been done for the right reasons, and which for the wrong.
The largest problem that I have seen with the formation of a Principality is
the politics. I have seen persons, both for and against, lie outright to
advance their causes. Calling it to their attention didn't make me very
popular. I have had my honor personally called into question because of the
question of Principality (semi-quote 'Obviously Raito will rhino his way
through the coronet so that he can dissolve the Principality because he
voted no on the ballot' [as if the Prince can dissolve it]). I have had to put
up with persons discussing the 'loyalty' of others. I'd rather not go
through that again.
Kitakaze Tatsu Raito
Neil Gilmore
npg at wesson.com
From: "Drew Nicholson" <anicholson16 at comcast.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Baby Barons
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:17:08 -0500
"Terri/Hrothny" <nothingbutadame at inthe.sca.org> wrote
> I heard a rumour this weekend that some King and Queen had created Court
> Barons of their three children - one a baby in diapers. Surely this is just
> a silly rumour? The folks mentioning it (as so often happens with stupid
> Urban Legends) didn't know which Kingdom it "happened in just this month".
> I can't imagine that anyone would be that cavalier with honour awards but
> figured that if anyone would know the truth of how the rumour got started,
> it'd be someone here.
> Where is this story coming from?
Midrealm. Yes, it did indeed happen. While there have been varied
reactions to this within the kingdom, the general consensus is that They are
the King and Queen, and have the right to bestow this most personal of
awards upon anyone they see fit. The award/position of Court Baron is one
that has highly varying "standards" (at least in the MidRealm), and that
might be taken into account when reacting to these awards.
Below are the words of Their Majesties Midrealm.
> "It is truth that We made unto Our sons Barons of the Court. There are many
> other rumors that are not true but such is the burden of Royalty. We
> do not let such base gossip darken Our days. Many have cheered at Our
> boldness and others have criticized Our giving these and other
> awards to children.
> To this We simply say that children are just as important a part of the SCA as
> adults. Often they work as hard or harder than the adults and their service
> is in need of recognition. And if an individual would be so selfish as to
> deny the recognition of another then they should examine their actions
> and heart. For by stating their selfish nature it has shown that Our
> actions in rewarding children and adults alike are good and just. If you
> hear dissent please pass on Our words to them or have them seek Us out and
> have them voice their displeasure to Us and We shall tell them in person.
>
> We had the courage to do it publicly in the highest profile event and at the
> beginning of the reign so that all may see. We leave people to judge Us as
> they like. No matter if they judge Us good or bad We will lead and do what
> We think is right.
>
> King Felix
> trm at midrealm.org"
I suggest that if you have issues with this, you simply contact them.
--
Purple
From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant_NOSPAM at indiana.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Baby Barons
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:53:45 -0500
Organization: Indiana University
Okay. I'm a court baron. I used to be Baron of the Far West. But that was ages
ago, in another kingdom.
People may ask "What is your Laurel for?" -- but I've never heard anyone ask
"what is your court baronage for?"
Court baronies are, for good or ill, one of the few really totally discretionary
awards the Crown can make. There are official standards for just about
everything else. The Crown *can* ignore those standards, if they wish, of
course, and elevate whom they will -- but the fact is, there are standards.
There is no such standard for the Court Barony. The Crown can give it for
exemplary and long service for which no other award seems suitable; the Crown
can give it for a retirement "job well done" (esp. to stepping-down baronial
coronets); the Crown can even capriciously give it to someone for exemplary acts
of friendship. Any and all of these are, in fact, historically viable reasons
for making someone a great lord or baron.
Kings may do as they will, as long as they don't violate the Laws.
No laws have been broken.
Had I been asked, I would have advised against it -- but Their Majesties are my
King and Queen, my Liege lords, and I am their subject and a loyal peer. Though
I would have advised against it, I will support them in what they have done as
they have not done anything illegal, immoral, indecent, or improper.
They have made personal decisions about personal awards which, according to our
Laws, is theirs to give as they will. And to me, that is an end to it.
Effingham
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:51:55 -0500
From: Martinsen at ansteorra.org, Kerri"
<kerrimart at cablespeed.com>" at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: Creative Supplimentation
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Pat <mordonna22 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I started in the SCA in Atenveldt (Greater Phoenix, AZ).
> There are three baronies, a College, and a Shire all
> within an hours drive, but the rest of the Kingdom is
> spread out over a huge area. (There are nearly 5 million
> people in Arizona, but 3 million of them live in the GPA
Hum. Interesting differences. I started playing in
Northshield when it was part of the Middle. In the 2
years I played there, I saw royalty once, at my first
event and I didn't know what to do. (Nothing like getting
called in front of the King during feast when you have no
silverware and are eating steak with your fingers).
Most events were camping, except in the winter. A 3 hour
drive to an event was considered daytripable. Feasts were
standard (and cheep cheep cheep!) at camping events,
although they were usually small (50-60 was standard)
Leftovers were used for breakfast. I wasn't paying
attention to what kind of food was being served at feasts,
as long as I didn't go away hungry I was happy.
The one thing that I miss in Atlantia is Crash space. In
Northshield, you could always call the autocrat (or the
crash-o-crat) and they would have a list of people willing
to take folks in for the night. Made day events possible.
Don't here about that out in Atlantia. Maybe I'm just in
the wrong circles.
Kerri Martinsen
Hrosvitha von Celle
kerrimart at cablespeed.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 03:31:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elyse Boucher <elyseboucher at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SCA-AS] Huzzah/Vivat?
To: Arts and Sciences in the SCA <artssciences at lists.gallowglass.org>
--- Anna Troy <owly3 at yahoo.se> wrote:
<<< This is a slightly strane question but since this is
the largest list I'm on here goes. Which kingdoms
shout Huzzah at court and which shout Vivat/Vivant?
Does anyone know how and why this divide occured?
Anna de Byxe >>>
Northshield uses vivant/vivat in court (the first
Prince by right of arms was nurtured in Atlantia) and
skol in the feast hall (owing to the large number of
people who are modernly of Scandinavian descent
(Norwegian, myself) in the kingdom).
The Middle uses "Hoobah!"--stems from the days of
yore, when a couple of venerable and ancient Dukes
were trying to encourage some budding belly dancers
with shouts of "hubba, hubba!" It just sort of morphed
from there, but I can not tell you how, for the
transformation from one to the other was complete by
the time I arrived in the Midrealm. To the best of my
knowledge, none of the sons of the Dragon (Calontir,
Ealdomere, Northshield) use Hoobah.
IIRC, Huzzah is primarily used in the Kingdoms to the
west of us. Don't quote me, though. Based on this, my
*guess* as to the origin of the split comes from the
simple fact that the East wanted something different
from the West, and the Middle went its own oddball
way, leaving the kingdoms who would eventually split
off from the first 3 to choose their own paths.
Yours, Merouda Pendray
Modern: Elyse C. Boucher, West Allis, WI
SCA: Merouda Pendray, Caer Anterth Mawr, Northshield
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:42:09 -0400
From: "Jonathan E. Feinstein" <jonathan at sc2.com>
Subject: RE: [SCA-AS] Huzzah/Vivat?
To: "'Arts and Sciences in the SCA'"
<artssciences at lists.gallowglass.org>
-----Original Message-----
Okay, I'll bite again and show my ignorance of early Horde
history, despite having read various things and having been given several early Horde song tapes. HAMMs? >>>
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be mysterious. I think it's more early
Middle, than Horde history, although it goes back far enough that these
things blend. The Brotherhood of H.A.M.M.S. (Humbly Arrogant Masters of
Mirthful Song... And yes, I think Yang did coin the name) was a group of the
select songsters of the SCA in the Middle and not too much later in the
East. It included Yang the Nauseating, Azarael the Soul Separator, Hael of
the Broken Masque, Richard of Alsace, and a few others. The only ones I can
think of who are still vaguely active these days are Moonwulf of Rivenstar,
El of the Two Knives and myself. Membership was always a bit fuzzy so there
may be a few more I never knew were members.
Yosef
From: Mother Mo Cridhe! <kate.mccridhe at gmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA history from my perspective... Ameoba and my recollection of other games
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:11:11 -0000
On Aug 20, 11:04 pm, jk <kles... at suddenlink.net> wrote:
> What makes you think it was outlawed?
>
> Mother Mo Cridhe! <kate.mccri... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >Hee hee... I thought, why not?
> >I'm one of the central culprits for an old SCA game... the Ameoba. (I
> >have no idea what so ever if this game is still played, but it is
> >silly.)
>
> >It was Arwyn & Chepe's wedding, Three Rivers on the campus of
> >Washington University.
> >It started out, I was standing arm in arm with Corwin and Cyfruis (...
> >uh... that don't look right, but...). We were just standing around
> >that way and chattering. Corwin's wife, Linnet came up and twined her
> >arm around him, and we kept chattering away. Cyfruis' other girl
> >friend came along and twined her arm around him, and we kept chattering
> >away. Karl von Kuhlmann came along (Cyfruis' other girlfriend's other
> >boyfriend...), and joined in... pretty soon, more folks were joining
> >in this arm in arm line-up, I think just because the proportions were
> >beginning to be silly enough to be fun looking.
> >Pretty soon, the two on opposite ends of the line-up decided that they
> >should close the ends and shuffled the line into a circle.
> >By this time we were all pretty silly, so we went along with it,
> >giggling and snorting all the way.
> >Well... all that giggling & snorting in this circle... more folks just
> >had to squeeze in... and there was more giggling... which attracted
> >more people...
> >Pretty soon a couple of folks suggested that this formation was
> >resembling an ameoba.
> >What do ameobas do?
> >They wander around and eat up other organisms...
> >So, giggling and snorting and someone started chanting "Ameoba-ameoba-
> >ameoba..." and we started capturing other people on the grounds and
> >squeezing them into the circle.
> >Pretty soon there were more people playing Ameoba than were loose on
> >the grounds...
> >And that's how Ameoba started.
>
> >Anybody remember Clench a Wench?
> >The one and only time I ever played it, the game had just recently
> >been outlawed in the SCA. However, at a private revel... actually...
> >I believe it was just someone's birthday party of close friends, all
> >of whom happened to be in the SCA.
> >In this particular game, the guys were assigned letters and the gals
> >were assigned numbers.
> >Anyrate, things were progressing and a lot of us were wondering why
> >the game was outlawed, we were all having fun and things were
> >progressing as they should.
> >By the time it was my turn to sit in the middle and call out a letter
> >and a number, I really had honestly figured out who was assigned which
> >letter or number. But... I was more suseptible to my hypoglycemia in
> >those days, having indulged in a hefty portion of cake and other
> >sweets, I was getting pretty hungry for protein... specifically...
> >steak... nice... tender... fire grilled... BOVINE BLOOD MEAT!!!
> >With out much thought I called out "A-1"
> >Then... I realised who I called out.
> >I heard the war cries from both sides of me.
> >I looked one way and saw Linnet in full charge.
> >I looked the other way and saw Corwin in full charge.
> >I squawked, covered my head with my arms and rolled up into an uber-
> >fetal position.
> >I had knees in my back, elbows cracking me in the skull, hands clawing
> >at my shoulders and arms, and TWO PEOPLE RIGHT ON TOP OF ME!!!
> >Luckily, I am a fair sized gal, even then, when I looked like a
> >skeleton, I weighed in at 140 pounds (I'm 6' tall), so I wasn't any
> >more injured than a small bruise to my ribs. I was able to emerge
> >laughing at the good natured rough housing...
> >On the other hand, it was quickly decided that that was the very
> >reason Clench a Wench was outlawed, and the game was immediately
> >disbanded.
>
> jk-
Clench a Wench was outlawed in the Middle Kingdom ... oh... it was
before Calontir was even a principality, I'm not even sure Calontir
was named at that time... uhm... it would have been XIV or there
abouts, I think.
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 18:53:00 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Midrealm News regarding royalty OT OP
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
News from Midrealm Lists today-- Johnnae
Posted today on LegioDraconis.com:
To to the populace of the Middle Kingdom, We write this missive with a
heavy heart. As of last night the BOD has terminated our reign. During
the period when Tessa was recovering from her shattered elbow and
surgery, we had a hard time juggling personal life and SCA life. Our
membership renewal was lost in the mail and by the time we realized it,
our membership had lapsed for 3 days. According to Corpora, that leads to
an automatic termination. We are very sorry for any hurt or pain this
may cause to the populace of the Middle Kingdom.
Our kingdom is the best in the Knowne World due to it's populace. We
appreciate the support that we were given. It was truly incredible. We
hope that everyone will give the same support to our successors no
matter who they might be.
Tessa & Lutr
From: Reed Harrig
Date: Sat 17 May 2008 10:39:20 AM EDT
It is with absolutely no joy that I find myself Regent of the Middle
Kingdom. Her Grace Aislinn will be assisting me in those duties.
While this is a very unusual situation, it does will not require vast
changes to the day to day operation of the Kingdom.
We already have a Crown Tourney scheduled to take place on Sunday May 25th.
The format and manor of the tourney will be the same as every other Crown
Tourney. The only difference will be that on that day the winner will be
Crowned Sovereign and the gentle they fought for will be Crowned Consult.
The new King and Queen will serve for the duration of the normal summer
reign. At a time and place to be determained later this summer, another
Crown tourney will be held to choose the Heirs who will then step up in
September.
If anyone has any questions, please do not hesitate to contact Duchess
Aislinn or myself.
With a bit of hard work and determination, the good works of Lutr and Tessa
need not be wasted.
In Service,
Palymar
Midrealm Regent
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 23:25:18 -0400
From: chawkswrth at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Midrealm News regarding royalty OT OP
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
This is the exact letter as it was posted on the Livejournal SCA List;
Greetings unto the Noble Populace of the Midrealm from Duke Palymar of the Two Baronies, Regent of the Midrealm,
In the past few days, we have witnessed many fine examples noblesse oblige, as people have lent their voice in support of friend and Kingdom. In an effort to ensure the succession of the Royal lineage, and with support of the Board of Directors of the SCA, Inc., an ad hoc Crown tournament will be held on Sunday, May 26, at 10 am., prior to the already published and announced tournament.
This tournament will be open to Sir Lutr Ulfskjald and those combatants and consorts who are found to be acceptable to the Regent.
Following the conclusion of this tournament, the victor will immediately be Crowned King and Queen of the Midrealm and the previously advertised Crown tournament will commence as scheduled.
Complete details will be posted on the Crown Tourney website in the near future.
Thank you all for your patience and understanding during this unprecedented occasion in the Midrealm,
In Service,
Duke Palymar of the Two Baronies
Regent of the Midrealm
Kudos to His Grace for a most equitable solution to a horrid, sticky question. Remember-the rules are there for a purpose. The BOD MUST uphold what they, themselves have passed. Whether that law is right or wrong, is moot.
Let us hope that Right does indeed prevail at what is truly going to be a Crown Tournament.
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 03:08:49 -0500
From: "otsisto" <otsisto at socket.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Midrealm News regarding royalty OT OP
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
On another list I recieved info that because of several past incidences the
BOD can not be flexible. Apparently all it takes is a few twerps to ruin it
for others and thus Lutr and Tessa can not appeal. :(
-----Original Message-----
This is unconscionable. I can't believe that we are so hidebound by rules
that we can't take into account something of this nature. Surely they will
appeal. While I haven't had the privilege of meeting them, I'm sure that
there are many in the Middle who would support an appeal of this decision.
Kiri
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:27:01 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Midrealm Crown for the Summer Reign
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
I'll post this since I've been asked what was happening.
Johnnae (at home in Michigan)
<<< Courtesy of the Middlebridge
Dag and Lutr fought the first of their two-out-of-three. Lutr won, and
they went off to change arms.
Lutr returns to find Dag handing his helm and sword to the marshals.
Dag then makes a speech about how Lutr has fought Chivalrously and
bested, in true Chivalric manner, all comers, and Dag acceeded the
Tourney to Lutr. The Marshals had to come and help Lutr stand down, as
he was too stunned to move. The Hall has gone wild.
Dag offered both his sword and chain to Lutr, who asked that the chain
be given to Tessa. Tessa took the chain, then returned it to Dag.
And that's the way we play in the Middle. Hoobah to our once and Future
King and Queen, Lutr and Tessa!
With Joy at this reporting.
Shlomo K
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:33:18 -0400
From: rattkitten <rattkitten at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Coronation of Lutr and Tessa
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
I thought someone might get a bang out of this... this was emailed out
to a lot of Atlantian email lists...
This is NOT MY WORK!!!!!!!!! It belongs to Lord Jonathan Blackbow.
Nichola
------
So there's a poetry competition in Windmaster's Hill's next event, and
the theme is:
Poetry contest!
Baron James of Middle Aston, Poetia Atlantia, is sponsoring a poetry
contest. The virtues highlighted at the Pas are Chivalry, Prowess,
Countenance, and Magnificence. Create verse that encompasses and extols
one or more of these virtues. Instill courage in the hearts of fighters
or honor those who idealize these virtues. Documentation is encouraged.
I didn't have an entry. I have to be inspired to write.
Then I watched the youtube video of Duke Dag at Lutr's Crown victory and
the rest was easy.
Casey Hits it Out of the Park
(a poem in honor of Duke Dag, King Lutr,
and the Adversity that made their Light
Shine that much more Brightly
In a Darkened World)
The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Middle King that day
Tess's elbow, broke; they'd done their best, but mail was delayed
and the BoD, they did their usual thing, t's dotted and i's crossed;
said "Lutr, buddy, the rules is the rules, so face it, bud, you've lost."
Now Lutr's a right standup guy, and took it with good grace
"Let's face it, folks, we screwed the pooch, and now we've got to face
the facts that are: our reign's been shot, and now we've got to fix
the mess that's left, and then go back to hitting each other with sticks."
But the last guy that screwed the pooch, you say, I can't remember his name
got banned from fighting Crown for years for doing just the same
So the Middle was in a mess, no doubt, names called and fingers pointing
to champion their special cause: the King of next anointing.
So about this time - we'll never know why - the BoD saw what they'd caused
a simple rule, so easy to fix, and yet they never paused
to think "hey, maybe we should change this rule before it causes grief
and pain and angst and angry words and problems past belief."
We're sure they did their best by us, the members of their club
We're sure this rule will soon be fixed, before the next king's dubbed
But meantime the thought that comes back down is "Palymar's the judge
of fixing this as best he can, to clear away the sludge."
At least four times did Lutr fight that day to win his Crown
But one stands forth; the last he fought, 'gainst a man of great renown
Duke Dag did strive in that last of rounds for many a mighty blow
But all for naught, or so it seemed, since Lutr laid him low
Then Dag arose, and said the words that some of you have heard
he spoke of oaths, and kings, and law, and keeping of one's word
"the law's been met, I'll fight no more," and he said it with such force,
the roar of approval from the crowd meant the deed was done, of course.
And Lutr and Tessa were crowned again, and many hearts were glad,
And while were sure that some hearts weren't; know what? that's just too
bad. So, Lutr and Tessa are King and Queen, and great! But my words mark:
The best of men that day? Was Dag. He hit it clear out of the park.
ranvaig at columbus.rr.com wrote:
<<< The first part is the speech by His Grace Dag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jWx0CV25tw
Ranvaig >>>
<the end>