Nw-World-sit-msg – 8/24/06


New World sites of interest to SCA folks.


NOTE: See also the files: England-msg, Europe-msg, Africa-msg, Iceland-msg, maize-msg, turkeys-msg, peppers-msg.





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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:31:53 EDT

From: Weaver8002 at aol.com



In a message dated 5/20/99 3:21:28 PM EST, Seton1355 at aol.com writes:

<< Has anyone been to Stirbridge Village in Massachusettes?  If so, dod you

like it and was it worth the time & enterence fee?

Thanks so much!

Phillipa >>


My family lives in NH and so I had the chance to go to Srirbridge Village a

couple of years ago.  It's definitely with the time and fee and that includes

the 12 hour drive to get there form here (Maryland.)


I talked to the weaver, watched food being cooked at a fire place oven (real

neat) and spent more than I should have in the book - I mean gift -- store.

Got a great cook book, that actually tells me how to cook at a fire place.

Go if you have the chance -- you'll enjoy it a lot.


Margherita the Weaver



Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:19:40 -0700 (PDT)

From: Giovanna <valkyr8 at yahoo.com>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu



Check out the web site for Old Sturbridge Village.






Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:50:13 -0500

From: "Sharon R. Saroff" <sindara at pobox.com>



I was at Sturbridge Village about 8 years ago.  I felt it was well worth

the entrance fee and the time.  I have been to similar such as Mystic

Seaport in Connecticut and Museum Village in Monroe, NY and they are some

of my favorite type of vacation spots to go to.





Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:09:52 -0400

From: snowfire at mail.snet.net



I have indeed been to Sturbridge - twice.  The entrance fee was steep

for what it was for I thought (don't remember what it was now - sorry).

It was interesting if you've never had any exposure to what life would

be like in a Colonial village in the 1830s. All the buildings are

replicas, but they do have people as guides who are doing things that

would be done in that period throughout the day, including one lady

making a cake on the fire in one house.  They have some historical

artifacts, and a good gift shop.  I thought it was worth the time.  But

then again I like colonial stuff, and only live in CT - not too far




P.S. If you want any more details please let me know.



Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:03:42 -0400

From: Warren & Meredith Harmon <ravenleaf at juno.com>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu



I enjoyed myself throroughly when I was there.  It's better than Hopewell

Village, and that's saying a lot - I live near Hopewell, and can be

rabidly culture-centric.  I loved the historical information.


Is the inn Countryman's Pleasure near there?  If so, go and eat there -

it's pricey, but well worth the price, if they haven't changed cooks!





Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:04:03 -0400

From: Linda Carey <licarey at com1.med.usf.edu>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu



I grew up in Massachusettes, and our school took lots of field trips there....so

did my family.  It's a great place where I learned to comb and card wool, spin

yard, milk cows, make a broom, etc.  I highly recommend it!  You could spend

whole summers there and not run out of cool things to do/learn!  They recreate

their time period better than we do ours!




Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 03:18:35 -0700

From: Twcs <no1home at encompass.net>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu



Seton1355 at aol.com wrote:

> Has anyone been to Stirbridge Village in Massachusettes?


More times than I can count.  No Kidding.  The cordwainers there

are worth the trip alone, though I confess that as a leather junkie,

I may be biased.  Last time I was there, I spent two hours picking

the brains of the cordwainer working that day (they have at least

two).  I too was lucky enough to spend school field trips there,

where we got to do stuff.  I dipped my first candles there.


> If so, dod you like it and was it worth the time & enterence fee?


Yes, and yes.  I would recommend going on a weekday before

school lets out for the summer, if you have a choice.  If not, pick

a weekday over a weekend, and early morning as the time to start.

The time period that Olde Sturbridge Village covers is earliest

nineteenth century, prior to the great explosion of mill towns in New

England as the industrial revolution crossed the ocean from England

into the US.  The flavor of the museum is quite similar to that

described in Eric Sloane's book, Diary of an Early American Boy.


I can't think of any living history museums that I have not been to

in New England.  Sturbridge and Mystic Seaport are on the top of

my list.  I end up at one or the other every time I visit my family.


As a caveat, I must state that I have a serious history addiction, so

that will cloud my judgement as to whether the admission price is

worth someone else's while.  My family has had memberships in both

the Mystic Seaport and Sturbridge, so we pay one lump sum every

year and visit as many times as we want as part of the package. The

entire clan is as bad as I am with our history addictions...


If you do go to Sturbridge, consider going to the Higgins Armoury in

Worchester (less than 30 minutes away on the Mass Pike). Lots of

really cool medieval armour.  Also, you may want to have dinner or

brunch at the Publick House, which is 5 minutes from Olde Sturbridge

Village.  It's one of the last operating early American Inns (1787, if I'm

not mistaken, though I often mix the Publick House up with the

Griswold Inn in Esses, CT, as to who was first, etc).  If you have some

vacation money to spare, spend a night there.  The rooms have been

updated since the eighteenth century, in that there's now modern

plumbing and heat...  I'll stop now while I'm ahead...

ttfn, Twcs (the longwinded)



Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:26:49 EDT

From: <SionnainR at aol.com>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu



I've been once about three years ago and enjoyed it but you really need to

inquire about their schedule of events as they do lots of things that add to

the normal day to day, such as sheep shearing and other activities of the

time. It was a fun visit.



Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:23:11 -0400

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: Glass


Warren & Meredith Harmon wrote:

> Colonial Williamsburg does some fine glass reproductions - stemmed

> glasses and jars, and I think a pitcher.  I don't remember prices, but

> well worth looking into if you're looking for something

> authentic-looking.  It has a slight greenish tinge.


> -Caro


And there is always the reproduction period glasshouse at Jamestown

not too far away. Jamestown comes in three parts. The National Park,

the State Park recreation, and the Glass House. The National Park

is the one with the museum and the actual site on the island.

At Jamestown State Park they had a pottery in addition to the fort

recreation. At the glass house they have a large cruck building with

half a dozen glass blowers at work constantly (at least when we were

there). And the glass does have a light greenish tinge.


When we got married we did Williamsburg / Jamestown / Yorktown.


Williamsburg, so Mel and all the furriners will understand, is on the

original site of Virginia's early capital, and was rebuilt, and

continues to be so, since about the 1920's or thereabouts. It

has many recreated period shops with craftsmen practicing trades

and crafts, and interpreters of roughly the period 1750. There is

also the visitors center and the decorative arts museum there which

in particular is excellent. I know folks who have yearly passes.

To see all of Williamsburg well would take a couple of days.

They have printers and bookbinders, weavers and spinners, blacksmiths,

riflemakers, musicians, leatherworkers, whitesmiths, silversmiths,

taverns, carpenters (with pit and trestle saws), a furniture shop,

a luthiers, brick makers, a Wheelwrights, etc. with ongoing restoration

/ archaeological investigations. There is also the Governor's residence,

the original church and the armory. There are shops, and some of the

greediest merchants I've ever seen in the off site commercial area.

Williamsburg does a number of publications on period crafts, gardening,

cooking, etc. They also have a commercial side to Williamburg which

does strictly reproductions for the furnishings market.



By contrast Yorktown isn't nearly as interesting but is of historical

interest. When we were last there they were doing underwater

investigation of the ships Cornwallis sunk behind him to prevent a

seaward assault.


They are fairly close geographically and well worth the trip.





Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:47:39 -0800 (PST)

From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>

Subject: SC - Camlann Medieval village


I read the message below on another list.  I have

visited the site listed and it seems great.  Has

anyone from An Tir been to this place?  Is it all it

seems or is it a commercial venture?  Has anyone seen

or purchased their cookbook?  Thanks.




>Hello. I don't know if your familar with "The Bors

>Hede". It is a medieval restaurant in Carnation,

>Washington. This is not someplace with

>sort-of authentic recipes with jouster's and

>swordfighters, but very authentic food in a building

>modeled after a 14th cent. Inn. Check it out. It

>is a part of Camlann Medieval village at




Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:15:56 -0800

From: Anne-Marie Rousseau <acrouss at gte.net>

Subject: Re: SC - Camlann Medieval village


hey all from Anne-Marie

Camlann is just down the road a piece from Madrone Central. The propriater

is Roger aka Roger the Goliard, one of the founding members of the Madrone

CUlinary Guild. He has since moved on to bigger and better things :). I've

never eaten at the restaurant, but I understand its lovely, and he has

always prided himself on authenticity (though the combat is still SCA

style, from what I hear). I have a copy of the cookbook and while he doesnt

cite any of his sources, there is nothing that jumps out as being horribly



I keep meaning to go down there (Roger is just before my time here in

Madrone) and check it out.


- --AM



Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:43:28 -0800 (PST)

From: Dana Huffman <letrada at yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Camlann Medieval village


I've been to a couple of their Yule feasts and quite

enjoyed them (despite the magician).  As far as I can

tell the food is period, except possibly the spiced

grape juice which may be merely "peri-oid," (but for

which I am willing to forgive them as long as they

keep it coming).  I also highly recommend the Crustade



The first time I went, I asked about the recipe for

the grape juice and was told that they had taken most

of their recipes from Lorna Sass' book.  By my second

trip, they had come out with their cookbook, which is

quite different, at least from the glance or two I had

of a friend's copy.


I have not been there during the summer, when the

"village" is happening as well, so I can't say much

about that.  From my friends' description, it sounds

similar to most ren fairs and such.


Dana Huffman/Ximena la Letrada



Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:53:04 -0400

From: "Jim Revells" <sudnserv5 at netway.com>

Subject: Re: SC - OT: Boston


> My lord husband and I are going up to Boston next week on vacation.  

> We've both been there before, but not in many years. Any

> recommendations of places that are of particular SCAdian and/or

> culinary interest?


> Lady Brighid ni Chiarain

> Settmour Swamp, East (NJ)


      My first suggestion is not in Boston proper but in Worcester, MA.  It is

the Higgens Armoury Musuem.  Mr. Higgins was an Iron Barron who had the

money to indulge himself in his hobby of collecting arms & armour from

around the world (mainly Europian , I think it is the best collection in

North America). The next closest place would be Hammond Castle it is

another rich mans folly, he was fasinated by the Ren & Medival periods, his

house is Periodial but a lot of fun (SCAdian dream done with lots of

money).  Another not Boston site is the Springfield, Ma Natural History

Musuem.  It has a fantastic Japaneese Weapons display, also some direct

model cast of the Elgin Marbles & other Classical statues.





Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:15:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00)

From: Christiane <christianetrue at earthlink.net>

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Sugar plate sotelties and Santoku knives

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org


Last night my husband and I went to Pennsbury Manor's Holly Night.  

The manor is the recreated 17th century country estate of William  

Penn, founder of Pennsylvania. We wandered the grounds, the paths of  

which were lit by candle lumieres, threw sprigs of holly into the  

bonfire for good luck, and toured the manor house, the first floor of  

which was decorated with holly and other greenery for a winter party  

(the Quakers really didn't celebrate Christmas). Everything was lit  

by candles. It was very pretty.


When we walked into the dining room, I was very pleased to see the  

sotelties on the table. There was a sugar-plate reproduction of the  

manor house in miniature, with sugar gravel and grass (all colored  

with natural dyes such as spinach and saffron), marzipan peacocks  

(peacocks wander the grounds during the clement months), William and  

Hannah Penn's initials done in sugar rope, and even more charming,  

plates and goblets made of sugar.


In the kitchen, a very enthusiastic gentleman talked about how the  

sugar plate was produced, and how it was used. There were other  

things on his table; comfits of candied angelica and caraway seeds,  

and sugar-glazed crabapples.


All I could think of was, "Hmm. I know a few folks who would have  

been avidly asking questions." So I tried to ask some.


The sugar plate was produced with sugar, gum tragacanth, and  

rosewater. In Penn's day (the late 1690s), all of these ingredients  

had to be imported. Although there was a well-laid-out series of  

gardens in his day, he would have not had enough roses to distill his  

own rosewater. This would have made all of this sugar plate a very  

expensive display of wealth. Guests would have been given a sugar  

plate and a sugar goblet for the party. They'd have a wine-flavored  

sugar goblet to eat there, or later on. The sugar plate would have  

been produced months in advance, and packed away for when needed.




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