p-toasting-msg – 4/30/06
Toasting customs in period. References.
NOTE: See also the files: taverns-msg, beer-msg, mead-msg, wine-msg, mazers-msg, p-tableware-msg, bev-distilled-msg, lea-bottles-msg, p-bottles-msg.
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From: "Dennis O'Connor" <dmoc at primenet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Did they "toast" in the Middle Ages?
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:40:18 -0700
Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc.
"Cynthia Virtue" <cvirtue at thibault.org> wrote ...
> The discussion on 'things the SCA does which are thought to be medieval'
> has got me thinking of another area: at all the large feasts I've been
> to, someone (usually the ranking person(s) who are not Royal) toasts the
> Crown, the Heirs, and the cooks and autocrat. Did they do this in
> medieval times, at feasts?
I recall that Hamlet's mother Queen Gertred drinks a toast to him during the
fatal duel at the end of the play, and thereby is poisoned and dies.
Also, a quick Web search found http://weddingspecialistswny.com/info/info24.html:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What about the origin of "toasting"? As drink goes, wine has always been central to the wedding, even mentioned in the Bible. The first recorded toast was given at a Saxony feast in 450A.D. by a woman who became a bride herself before the end of the evening. British King Vortigern was so moved by the sentiment-- a simple "Lord King, be of health," offered by Rowena, daughter of the Saxony leader Hengist, that he proceeded to make passionate love to her. Intoxicated by the drink, possible love and definitely greed, he then bargained with Hengist for her hand.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<
And at http://www.eglin.af.mil/protocol/tainment/toasts.htm :
>>>>>>>>>>
Toasting originated with the English custom of flavoring wine with a piece of browned and spiced toast. In 1709, Sir Richard Steels wrote of a lady whose name was supposed to flavor a wine like spiced toast.
<<<<<<<<<
--
Dennis O'Connor dmoc at primenet.com
From: gunnora at my-deja.com
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Did they "toast" in the Middle Ages?
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:40:41 GMT
Cynthia Virtue <cvirtue at thibault.org> wrote ...
> to, someone (usually the ranking person(s) who are not Royal)
> toasts the Crown, the Heirs, and the cooks and autocrat. Did they
> do this in medieval times, at feasts?
A related custom is the Germanic symbel or sumbel, practiced by the
Saxons and by the Vikings.
The Vikings offered up toasts, or Fulls. The first full was assigned to
Ýinn, and was made for victory and the king's success. Snorri
Sturleson gives Earl SigurÝr's first toast at a festival at HlaÝir in
952 as an example. Freyr and NjorÝr were the recipients of the second
toast, which was for peace and plentiful harvests. The third toast was
often made to Bragi, god of poetry. After this, men might make the
Minni, a toast to those of their kinsmen who had become famous.
At weddings, the toasts offered might be slightly different: the story
of Herraud and Bosi recounts that the cup was consecrated to Þ—rr
(Thorr). The first toast was made to all the gods, the next toast to
Ýinninn, and the third to the goddess Freyja.
These rounds of toasting were a part of the custom of Sumbel (Old
Norse) or Symbel (Old English), both meaning "ale-gathering." Toasts
might be combined with vows or oaths, boasts, storytelling and song.
Tacitus wrote in his Germania of the custom of sumbel, saying "Drinking
bouts lasting all day and all night are not considered in any way
disgraceful." More than one sumbel is encountered in Beowulf, and in
Old Norse poetry such as "Lokāsennā," where Loki is told:
"Seats and places for thee at sumbel
The Aesir never choose
Because the Aesir know which wights
To have at a glorious drinking-feast."
Sumbel is even mentioned in Christian poetry such as "The Dream of the
Rood," where it is told that "There are God's folk seated at symbel."
The term "symbel-daeg" came to be used in Old English to denote a
Christian feast day.
The sumbel was a joint activity. Those participating came and sat
together, usually within a chieftain's hall. It was often referred to
as a drinking feast, where ale, beer or mead might be served in a
ceremonial cup, and passed from hand to hand around the hall. The
recipient of the cup made a toast, oath, or boast, or he might sing a
song or recite a story before drinking and passing the cup along. While
referred to as a "feast," the sumbel did not include food, but might
precede or follow a meal. A sumbel was solemn in the sense of having
deep significance and importance to the participants, but was not a
grim or dour ceremony - indeed, at Hrothgar's sumbel in
Beowulf, "...there was laughter of the men, noise sounded, the words
were winsome."
::GUNNORA::
From: nostrand at acm.org (Barbara Nostrand)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Did they "toast" in the Middle Ages?
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:37:29 -0400
Organization: deMoivre Institute
> I recall that Hamlet's mother Queen Gertred drinks a toast to him during the
> ]fatal duel at the end of the play, and thereby is poisoned and dies.
This is not technically a toast. It is offering a cup of wine to Hamlet
which is something rather different. Possibly a closer analogy would be
libations to gods offered by many religions. Roman libations were
performed by pouring a bit wine upon the ground. (Or at least so I have
read.) The use of wine for ritual purposes was quite common in the
Mediteranian about 2000 years ago and forms the basis of discussions
concerning ritual wind found both in early Jewish legal works and in
Christian scriptures. Traditional Jewish l'chaim are offered in honour
of specific individuals.
Supposeably in Japan there was a sake ceremony which involved ritually
sharing a dish of sake with the participants taking turns pouring.
However, this was not in the manner of a toast.
Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar
From: "Dennis O'Connor" <dmoc at primenet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Did they "toast" in the Middle Ages?
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:32:22 -0700
Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc.
"Barbara Nostrand" <nostrand at acm.org> wrote ...
> > I recall that Hamlet's mother Queen Gertred drinks a toast to him during the
> > ]fatal duel at the end of the play, and thereby is poisoned and dies.
>
> This is not technically a toast. It is offering a cup of wine to Hamlet
> which is something rather different.
Well, I checked the text, and I found during the duel:
==================
KING CLAUDIUS:
The king shall drink to Hamlet's better breath;
[...]
KING CLAUDIUS
Stay; give me drink. Hamlet, this pearl is thine;
Here's to thy health.
[...]
QUEEN GERTRUDE
Here, Hamlet, take my napkin, rub thy brows;
The queen carouses to thy fortune, Hamlet.
HAMLET Good madam!
KING CLAUDIUS Gertrude, do not drink.
QUEEN GERTRUDE I will, my lord; I pray you, pardon me.
=================
Each of these seems a toast to Hamlet; is there perhaps
an idiomatic meaning to "offering a cup of wine to Hamlet"
that makes it a more apropos description ?
--
Dennis O'Connor dmoc at primenet.com
Vanity Web Page: http://www.primenet.com/~dmoc/
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:22:35 -0400
From: "Elise Fleming" <alysk at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Re: A Question of Serving
To: "sca-cooks at ansteorra.org" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Margaret FitzWilliam wrote:
> In this specific case I ended up coordinating the toasts, but only
> because I got proactive about it.
> So how do other people/places handle it?
This part caught my eye... Interkingdom anthropology? Around here the
responsibility for coordinating the toasts (to the Royalty) usually sits
with the Royalty's chamberlain (if any Royalty are at the event) to either
ask the ranking Peers or to find a local person (usually a Peer) to
coordinate the toasts. If the Royalty aren't present, it often is the
event steward who searches for someone to coordinate and find the highest
ranking folk. You should get thanks for being that proactive! Toasts are
funny things - a lot of folk don't want to do them, but it's part of what
makes a medieval feeling. Out of curiosity, have there been difficulties
at feasts where no toasts are offered because no one organized them?
As a Laurel, Pelican and now Countess, I'm often the "target" for event
stewards to organize toasts when I'm staying for feast. "Alys, you know
protocol. Would you arrange for the toasts, please?" <g> I now often
decide to stay for feast so there's a handy target in case the local folk
need someone! And, oh brother! Trying to find the "rankest" persons can
be... challenging!
Alys Katharine
Elise Fleming
alysk at ix.netcom.com
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:34:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Aurelia Rufinia <aureliarufinia at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: A Question of Serving
To: alysk at ix.netcom.com, Cooks within the SCA
<sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Margaret FitzWilliam wrote:
> In this specific case I ended up coordinating the
> toasts, but only because I got proactive about it.
> So how do other people/places handle it?
Yep, Margaret, Alys is right... or at least, *I* was
told that the chamberlain of the ranking royalty
there is supposed to handle it. (I usually would
figure out the ranking peers down to the third, and
then declare myself bored with it and grab a random
someone. It was fun.)
What happens when there's no Royalty present? No idea.
Aurelia
Baroness Aurelia Rufinia
Barony of Carolingia,
East Kingdom, Northshield Ex-Pat
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:12:04 -0400
From: Robin <rcmann4 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: A Question of Serving
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Aurelia Rufinia wrote:
> What happens when there's no Royalty present? No idea.
I asked someone that at my vigil. The senior peers present compare
notes and figure out who has the most time-in-grade. Or something like
that. It's not a problem I've run into yet. To be the senior peer at
an event, I'd have to be the *only* peer at the event. (Unless I'm
considered "senior" to the lady who was elevated 10 minutes after I
was.) :-)
--
Brighid ni Chiarain, OL
Barony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom
Robin Carroll-Mann *** rcmann4 at earthlink.net
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 22:00:53 -0500
From: Robert Downie <rdownie at mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: A Question of Serving
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
We do it "backwards" in our group. We always get the most junior
members to do the toasts, and have done it that way for 35 years and
counting :-) It's nice in that it helps make them feel included, and
it's not always the same people doing it every time.
Faerisa
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 08:15:51 -0600
From: Sue Clemenger <mooncat at in-tch.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: A Question of Serving
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
It's the senior or ranking peer around here, not the royalty, that makes
the toasts. The first toast is always *to* the Crown and Kingdom,
anyway <g>. And then there's one to any visiting royals, but that's
about it.
It was....odd....when I realized that I'm pretty much the oldest
(active) peer in my barony, if not the one of highest rank. We have a
local viscount who's pretty much a non-player, and a Count who plays but
can rarely make feasts because of his work schedule. I'm usually in the
kitchen, though, so the toast thing is really not something I remember
to do....
--Maire
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:29:47 -0400
From: "Daniel Phelps" <phelpsd at gate.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: A Question of Serving
To: <mooncat at in-tch.com>, "Cooks within the SCA"
<sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
> It's the senior or ranking peer around here, not the royalty, that makes
> the toasts. The first toast is always *to* the Crown and Kingdom,
> anyway <g>. And then there's one to any visiting royals, but that's about it.
> It was....odd....when I realized that I'm pretty much the oldest
> (active) peer in my barony, if not the one of highest rank. We have a
> local viscount who's pretty much a non-player, and a Count who plays but
> can rarely make feasts because of his work schedule. I'm usually in the
> kitchen, though, so the toast thing is really not something I remember
> to do....
> --Maire
Hmmm... when I'm stewarding the hall I always look for the senior knight
present and suggest that he/she make it. If I don't know who is senior I
find one that is likely obliging and suggest that whomever senior present in
their circle make the toast. If none are present, unlikely, I would default
to either a Laurel or a Pelican, best case being a double Peer. Is it being
suggested that a Royal, in decending order Ducal, County or Vicounty, Peer
rather than bestowed Peer have precedent is such cases?
Daniel
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:04:41 -0400
From: "Elise Fleming" <alysk at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: A Question of Serving
To: "Aurelia Rufinia" <aureliarufinia at yahoo.com>, "Cooks within the
SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Aurelia asked:
> What happens when there's no Royalty present?
If the event is in a barony, I believe it should be the baron/ess's
responsibility since they hold that land from the Crown. The baron/ess
would probably ask their local herald to handle the matter. If there's no
barony, one would hope that the event steward would take the responsibility
for arranging the toasts, but not all event stewards are likely to think of
it. This is something that perhaps each event staff should discuss. Local
heralds would be the logical folk to end up seeking out who were the higher
ranking folk.
If there are no ex-royalty (ducal, county, viscounty) present, then any
bestowed Peer outranks everyone else and, unless I'm mistaken, any bestowed
Peer outranks landed barons and baronesses. Then come the landed folk
followed by court barons. Within each of these categories, precedence goes
by "time in rank" - who received the dukedom, the Laurel, before someone in
the same category. Unless a kingdom has something different than the
above, the next people in rank are those who hold the higher ranked kingdom
awards, and that varies from kingdom to kingdom. The toasting should, I
believe, be done by residents of that kingdom. So, if Duke Strongarm from
Ealdormere is present at a Middle Kingdom event, he is not considered in
the hunt for the highest ranking person.
If I'm at a non-baronial, non-royalty event, I usually take it upon myself
(as a Peer) to ask the event steward if arrangements have been made. It is
unfortunate if toasting the Royalty is left to a feaster to think about and
start. (I was in one barony where the landed baron and baroness never made
arrangements to toast their liege lords. We sat in suspense through feasts
wondering if they would do it - never! - and then if anyone would be daring
enough to propose the toasts in the face of their refusal. Talk about
politics!) So, again, thanks to Margaret for arranging it!
Alys Katharine
Elise Fleming
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:19:40 -0400
From: Elaine Koogler <ekoogler1 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: A Question of Serving
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Daniel Phelps wrote:
> Hmmm... when I'm stewarding the hall I always look for the senior knight
> present and suggest that he/she make it. If I don't know who is senior I
> find one that is likely obliging and suggest that whomever senior present in
> their circle make the toast. If none are present, unlikely, I would default
> to either a Laurel or a Pelican, best case being a double Peer. Is it being
> suggested that a Royal, in decending order Ducal, County or Vicounty, Peer
> rather than bestowed Peer have precedent is such cases?
>
> Daniel
Out of curiousity, why do you look for the senior knight? After all,
the peerage orders are (supposedly) all equal...
In Atlantia, the one who does the toasts is usually the senior peer
present. This individual toasts the Crowns. Then the next senior will
toast the Crown Prince/Princess, followed by a visiting Baron/Baroness
who will toast the hosting Baron/Baroness. It doesn't always follow
this order...it usually depends on who is present. On occasion,
especially recently, the hosting Baron/Baroness will toast the
Crowns...which to my mind has a certain sort of period logic to it!
Kiri
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:19:40 -0400
From: Elaine Koogler <ekoogler1 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: A Question of Serving
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Daniel Phelps wrote:
> Hmmm... when I'm stewarding the hall I always look for the senior knight
> present and suggest that he/she make it. If I don't know who is senior I
> find one that is likely obliging and suggest that whomever senior present in
> their circle make the toast. If none are present, unlikely, I would default
> to either a Laurel or a Pelican, best case being a double Peer. Is it being
> suggested that a Royal, in decending order Ducal, County or Vicounty, Peer
> rather than bestowed Peer have precedent is such cases?
>
> Daniel
Out of curiousity, why do you look for the senior knight? After all,
the peerage orders are (supposedly) all equal...
In Atlantia, the one who does the toasts is usually the senior peer
present. This individual toasts the Crowns. Then the next senior will
toast the Crown Prince/Princess, followed by a visiting Baron/Baroness
who will toast the hosting Baron/Baroness. It doesn't always follow
this order...it usually depends on who is present. On occasion,
especially recently, the hosting Baron/Baroness will toast the
Crowns...which to my mind has a certain sort of period logic to it!
Kiri
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:31:12 -0400
From: "Elise Fleming" <alysk at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Toasts: Was A Question of Serving
To: "sca-cooks at ansteorra.org" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Daniel wrote:
> Hmmm... when I'm stewarding the hall I always look for the senior knight
> present and suggest that he/she make it. If I don't know who is senior I
> find one that is likely obliging and suggest that whomever senior present in
> their circle make the toast. If none are present, ulikely, I would default
> to either a Laurel or a Pelican, best case being a double Peer. Is it being
> suggested that a Royal, in descending order Ducal, County or Vicounty, Peer
> rather than bestowed Peer have precedent is such cases?
Yes. Now, that's the case in the Middle Kingdom and I am assuming that
this follows a Society standard, the variation being as I posted before,
that after Court Barons, the ranking person is the one who has received the
highest award the earliest. Also, if member of the Chivalry received the
peerage in 2001, any bestowed Peer (Pelican, Master of Arms, Laurel) who
received their peerage prior to that date would take precedence for doing
the toasts. Double peerages don't count for twice the "peerage-strength".
The peerage that counts is when the first one was given.
Example, I received a Laurel in 1992. Anyone who received a peerage before
Feb 22, 1992, outranked me. I received a Pelican in 1994. That didn't
make me "more of a Peer". My "seniority" still dated from 2/22/92. Now, I
became a Countess in September 2002. I then "jumped over" every person
(Society-wide!) who was not an ex-royal, including those folk who received
a bestowed peerage prior to 2/22/92. My ranking is below every Duke and
Duchess, regardless of when they received their ducal award, and I rank
below every Count and Countess who received their county prior to September
28, 2002. If someone got their county in October 2002, I outrank them
because mine was given in September.
The "muddy" part, speaking strictly protocol-wise, is that if there are no
peers present (or you don't recognize any), then the offer to toast the
Crown should go to the person next down the award chain. I don't know the
highest awards for other kingdoms, but in the Midrealm, under the court
baronage is the Dragon's Heart. So someone who received their Dragon's
Heart in 1999 would outrank someone who received it in 2003. Practically
speaking, most folk don't know who got what when, and won't get their noses
out of joint if they aren't invited to toast the Crown. However, I've had
to go up to some "old peers" and ask when they got their peerage so we
could figure out who the "rankest" ones were.
My most embarrassing time was not recalling which Duke reigned first, and
therefore asked a newer Duke if he'd toast the new Prince and Princess at a
Crown Tourney feast. At that time we had a principality so there was a
need for four official toasters. I'd gotten down to what I thought was a
newer Duke only to be quietly informed by him that he outranked the one who
was slated to toast the new Heirs, plus being the Baron of the group in
which the event took place - and he would really like to toast his friends
who had just won Crown. I had to go back to the previous Duke and
apologize, asking if he'd mind toasting the principality Prince and
Princess. At that point, he declined to toast them... and I was off to
look for the oldest bestowed peer.
So, if it's a local event without fancy hats present it's probably just
fine whoever toasts the Crown.
Alys Katharine
Elise Fleming
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:56:17 -0400
From: "Carol Eskesen Smth" <BrekkeFranksdottir at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: Serving and toasting
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Here in Ostgardr (Southern Region, East Kingdom) things are slightly
different. Our Baron will always toast Their Majesties, as host of the
event, and then the senior Peer (usually me) will toast Their
Highnesses. It doesn't matter whether Royalty is present or not; This
is How It Is Done. <smile> The next in rank gets our Baron and
Baroness, and then we have the cooks and event staff. There are always
enough peers around to cover everything.
Brekke
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 04:37:31 -0500
From: "Betsy Marshal" <betsy at softwareinnovation.com>
Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Re: Serving and toasting
To: "'Cooks within the SCA'" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
I am seeing some inter-kingdom Anthropology here-
In Ansteorra- the senior knight toasts the King, the senior Don (light
weapon/rapier) toasts the Queen, the senior squire toasts the Prince, the
senior cadet toasts the Princess, and (gets muddy here) the local
herald or "home" peer will toast the hosting B&B(if any).
Intriguedly yours, Betsy
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:32:05 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Robin Carroll-Mann <rcmann4 at earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Re: Serving and toasting
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
-----Original Message-----
From: Betsy Marshal <betsy at softwareinnovation.com>
I am seeing some inter-kingdom Anthropology here-
In Ansteorra- the senior knight toasts the King, the senior Don (light
weapon/rapier) toasts the Queen, the senior squire toasts the Prince, the
senior cadet toasts the Princess, and (gets muddy here) the local
herald or "home" peer will toast the hosting B&B(if any).
_______________________________________________
IKA, indeed. What constitutes a "senior" squire? I confess -- and
meaning no disrespect to the merits of the squires of Ansteorra -- that
it seems very strange to me to single someone out for honor because he
or she is a squire (or an apprentice or protege). However, I also
think that IKA is one of the really medieval things about the SCA.
Other kingdoms aren't cookie-cutter copies of this one, only in a
different mundane place. They are Furrin Places, where people are
Strange and do things Differently.
Brighid ni Chiarain
Barony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:54:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Aurelia Rufinia <aureliarufinia at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: A Question of Serving
To: mooncat at in-tch.com, Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
--- Sue Clemenger <mooncat at in-tch.com> wrote:
> It's the senior or ranking peer around here, not the
> royalty, that makes the toasts.
Um, yes. That's what happens in Northshield (and the
Mid. And also the East.) The question about what
happens when there's no Royalty (note Capital R, which
is supposed to indicate *sitting* Royalty.) present is
that when I was Royal Chamberlain for the Prince and
princess of Northshield, if they were senior Royalty
present, it was *my* job to arrange the toast. My
question was what happens when there is no sitting
Royalty, and therefore no Royal Chamberlain to worry
about it.
Also, in the Mid and in Northshield, Royal Peers
outrank the Bestowed Peers. So depending on the size of
the event it can be a fun exercise in "Who came
first?"
From what I've seen, I rather suspect that the Peers
in Carolingia, at least, take care of it on their own.
Is that clearer?
Aurelia
Baroness Aurelia Rufinia
Barony of Carolingia,
East Kingdom, Northshield Ex-Pat
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:41:27 +0000
From: iasmin at comcast.net
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Re: Toasts: Was A Question of Serving
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Alys Katharine wrote:
> The "muddy" part, speaking strictly protocol-wise, is that if there are no
> peers present (or you don't recognize any), then the offer to toast the
> Crown should go to the person next down the award chain.
This is indeed a muddy part and that's where I've always relied on
Royal Peers to help out. Another thing that absolutely flumoxes people
is when they need to deal with understand who *gets* toasted. You'd
think that this was a simple arrangement until you realized the ideas
of visiting Royalty, foreign dignitaries, local baronages and visiting
baronages, and who exactly is sitting at head table on in the feast
hall. Throw them all in one event and you have, if you'll pardon the
pun, an incredible recipe for disaster.
Iasmin
Iasmin de Cordoba, iasmin at comcast.net
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:47:34 -0500
From: Tom Parr <theseamus at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: Serving and toasting
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Just to chime in with some toasting bits of info.... In Ansteorra with
what I observed during the reign of Miguel and Conal II as their royal
Herald, Is that the toasting isn't as much as rank but who is willing
to speak and proclaim the glory of the person in question.
Toast the king
- Any knight
Toast the queen
- Any Don
Toast the Prince (if there is one at the time)
- Any centurion (btw the Centurion is a grant level award for fighting
prowess and command on the field and for those who excel at multiple
weapon styles)
Toast the Princess
- Any Cadet
Toast the local group
- Anyone (during their reign I was asked to do this from time to time)
Personal Toasts
-at this time people will get up and toast those who deserve word fame
or in honor of someone's passing
All of these are not set in stone as I have had to do all the toasts at
one time or the other as the peers or others were not present.
-The Seamus
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