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wearng-cornts-msg - 9/12/07

 

Comments on wearing coronets at SCA events. When to wear or not wear them.

 

NOTE: See also the files: coronets-msg, headgear-msg, jewelry-msg, Signet-Rings-art, Baronial-Lead-art, Guid-f-Barons-art, SCA-royalty-msg, A-Peer-Within-art.

 

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From: Marthe Cole <claryce at cox.net>

Date: September 4, 2006 4:59:32 PM CDT

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats

 

> Should one always wear their Court Barony coronet at events?

> Or is it equally as correct to wear a period hat that matches one's

> costume, but then wear one's Court Barony coronet only during court?

> Or must one combine a period hat with a Court Barony coronet?

>

> Answers?

> Hillary

 

Personally, I think it's up to the individual.  I wear mine when I feel like

it, and take it off when 1) I feel like it.  2) It doesn't go with my

outfit.  3) It was giving me a headache.  4) I want to just "not wear it"

for a while.

 

I don't think anyone will say anything one way or another if you choose to

wear your coronet or not.  Well, unless you're wearing it to bed or the

shower, in which case somebody might look at you funny, or ask

questions.....

 

Claryce from afar

{back to lurking mode}

 

 

From: Paul DeLisle <ferret at hot.rr.com>

Date: September 4, 2006 5:15:37 PM CDT

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats

 

Remove "always" and "must", and all three choices are correct.

 

Wearing regalia is a matter of personal choice. Neither Corpora, Kingdom law

or the terms of *any* Award or Order's charter *require* the wearing of

insignia or regalia... they grant the *privilege* of wearing a particular

piece.

 

As to Ansteorran (or any other) custom or tradition:

I've seen Duke Frederick of Holland without any regalia but a white Baldric;

I've also seen him spinning his Ducal coronet of the end of his Marshalling

staff.

 

And I've have seen Ansteorran Crowns attend events "in mufti", with no

regalia at all. As long as no dishonor to the Order, Rank, or Award is

easily perceived, any method of display (or none at all) is appropriate.

 

In Service, I remain

Alden Pharamond

Tir Medoin, Ansteorra

(Olde Farte Herald)

 

 

From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>

Date: September 4, 2006 6:43:55 PM CDT

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats

 

> Should one always wear their Court Barony coronet at events?

 

Well *I* don't. I normally wear a hat to avoid sunburn.

 

> Or is it equally as correct to wear a period hat that matches one's  

> costume, but then wear one's Court Barony coronet only during court?

 

"During court" is the most likely time to find me in my coronet, but

even then, it's not 100% of the time. FWIW, I've seen very few

Renaissance-era pictures of people--even kings and queens--wearing

crowns or coronets

 

> Or must one combine a period hat with a Court Barony coronet?

 

That's also an option, but it's hardly mandatory.

 

          -Tivar Moondragon

 

 

From: James Crouchet <james2 at crouchet.com>

Date: September 5, 2006 4:26:38 PM CDT

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats

 

I agree with Alden on this. The wearing is optional. However, if someone

fails to give your rank the proper respect when you fail to wear the

hat, you should have no complaint.

 

I can guarantee you that in period there were many times that someone of

rank went around without the regalia of office. Hundreds of portraits

testify to that.

 

There may be many reasons not to wear regalia of any type. Though I am

a Don and a Baron, this past weekend I wore no White Scarf and no

Coronet because I was playing a different character. By some strange

chance that character just happened to be allied with another alternate

character who was played by the Queen. She also wore no regalia in

playing her role. We both appeared in court at various times as our

alternate characters. Any requirements to wear our regalia would have

spoiled all that. Neither the slip of white cloth nor the shiny hat was

necessary for me to serve my Queen.

 

The rank is invested in the person, not the regalia. Wearing a coronet

[does not] make a person Noble; failing to wear one does not mean they stop being Noble.

 

Christian Doré

 

 

From: Michael Silverhands <silverhands at sbcglobal.net>

Date: September 6, 2006 12:24:39 PM CDT

To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats

 

On Sep 5, 2006, at 4:26 PM, James Crouchet wrote:

> The rank is invested in the person, not the regalia. ...

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

> ... failing to wear one does not mean they stop being Noble.

>

> Christian Doré

 

Agreed. When I was first invested Baron of Stargate, I asked a wise

person (HE Sir William of Weir) whether I should wear the coronet to

this, that or the other occasion. He replied much as you have:

"Whether you wear the coronet or not, Michael, the fact remains that

you *are* the Baron of Stargate. Behave always with the nobility of

character befitting that office, and the coronet doesn't matter. You

cannot take off the coronet and stop being Baron for a few minutes,

any more than merely putting it on would make you Baron. It signifies

what rank you hold, but it does not *make* you who you *are*."

 

Or as another wise person said: "No matter where you go, there you are."

 

:-)

 

Michael Silverhands

 

 

From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>

Date: September 5, 2006 12:17:42 AM CDT

To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org

Subject: [Ansteorra] When to wearCoronets and Hats from Duchess willow

 

The choice whether you wear your hat is up to you. In my time period the kings of England only wore their crowns on special days and it would had been improper to wear something if your king is not wearing anything. Have you noticed that many of our dukes only wear their coronets at high court.

 

The Roses wear theirs most of the time but mainly as a way to finish off our garb. They are great for keeping veils on. They also solve the problem of what to do with your hair. Some people, like me wear period coronets that look like SCA  baronial coronets.

 

Be warned if you don't wear your "hat" or you do like I do and not wear the correct SCA coronet. It will be very possible that people will not address you by your proper title. If this is going to bother you please help people out and wear your coronet. In the SCA many barons put their coronets on their regular hats, but my studies suggest this is not a period style. Look at today's customs most nobles in England only wear their hats in full court situations and they don't wear them with hats.

 

Duchess Willow de Wisp

 

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