wearng-cornts-msg - 9/12/07
Comments on wearing coronets at SCA events. When to wear or not wear them.
NOTE: See also the files: coronets-msg, headgear-msg, jewelry-msg, Signet-Rings-art, Baronial-Lead-art, Guid-f-Barons-art, SCA-royalty-msg, A-Peer-Within-art.
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From: Marthe Cole <claryce at cox.net>
Date: September 4, 2006 4:59:32 PM CDT
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats
> Should one always wear their Court Barony coronet at events?
> Or is it equally as correct to wear a period hat that matches one's
> costume, but then wear one's Court Barony coronet only during court?
> Or must one combine a period hat with a Court Barony coronet?
>
> Answers?
> Hillary
Personally, I think it's up to the individual. I wear mine when I feel like
it, and take it off when 1) I feel like it. 2) It doesn't go with my
outfit. 3) It was giving me a headache. 4) I want to just "not wear it"
for a while.
I don't think anyone will say anything one way or another if you choose to
wear your coronet or not. Well, unless you're wearing it to bed or the
shower, in which case somebody might look at you funny, or ask
questions.....
Claryce from afar
{back to lurking mode}
From: Paul DeLisle <ferret at hot.rr.com>
Date: September 4, 2006 5:15:37 PM CDT
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats
Remove "always" and "must", and all three choices are correct.
Wearing regalia is a matter of personal choice. Neither Corpora, Kingdom law
or the terms of *any* Award or Order's charter *require* the wearing of
insignia or regalia... they grant the *privilege* of wearing a particular
piece.
As to Ansteorran (or any other) custom or tradition:
I've seen Duke Frederick of Holland without any regalia but a white Baldric;
I've also seen him spinning his Ducal coronet of the end of his Marshalling
staff.
And I've have seen Ansteorran Crowns attend events "in mufti", with no
regalia at all. As long as no dishonor to the Order, Rank, or Award is
easily perceived, any method of display (or none at all) is appropriate.
In Service, I remain
Alden Pharamond
Tir Medoin, Ansteorra
(Olde Farte Herald)
From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>
Date: September 4, 2006 6:43:55 PM CDT
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats
> Should one always wear their Court Barony coronet at events?
Well *I* don't. I normally wear a hat to avoid sunburn.
> Or is it equally as correct to wear a period hat that matches one's
> costume, but then wear one's Court Barony coronet only during court?
"During court" is the most likely time to find me in my coronet, but
even then, it's not 100% of the time. FWIW, I've seen very few
Renaissance-era pictures of people--even kings and queens--wearing
crowns or coronets
> Or must one combine a period hat with a Court Barony coronet?
That's also an option, but it's hardly mandatory.
-Tivar Moondragon
From: James Crouchet <james2 at crouchet.com>
Date: September 5, 2006 4:26:38 PM CDT
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats
I agree with Alden on this. The wearing is optional. However, if someone
fails to give your rank the proper respect when you fail to wear the
hat, you should have no complaint.
I can guarantee you that in period there were many times that someone of
rank went around without the regalia of office. Hundreds of portraits
testify to that.
There may be many reasons not to wear regalia of any type. Though I am
a Don and a Baron, this past weekend I wore no White Scarf and no
Coronet because I was playing a different character. By some strange
chance that character just happened to be allied with another alternate
character who was played by the Queen. She also wore no regalia in
playing her role. We both appeared in court at various times as our
alternate characters. Any requirements to wear our regalia would have
spoiled all that. Neither the slip of white cloth nor the shiny hat was
necessary for me to serve my Queen.
The rank is invested in the person, not the regalia. Wearing a coronet
[does not] make a person Noble; failing to wear one does not mean they stop being Noble.
Christian DorŽ
From: Michael Silverhands <silverhands at sbcglobal.net>
Date: September 6, 2006 12:24:39 PM CDT
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Coronets and Hats
On Sep 5, 2006, at 4:26 PM, James Crouchet wrote:
> The rank is invested in the person, not the regalia. ...
I couldn't agree more.
> ... failing to wear one does not mean they stop being Noble.
>
> Christian DorŽ
Agreed. When I was first invested Baron of Stargate, I asked a wise
person (HE Sir William of Weir) whether I should wear the coronet to
this, that or the other occasion. He replied much as you have:
"Whether you wear the coronet or not, Michael, the fact remains that
you *are* the Baron of Stargate. Behave always with the nobility of
character befitting that office, and the coronet doesn't matter. You
cannot take off the coronet and stop being Baron for a few minutes,
any more than merely putting it on would make you Baron. It signifies
what rank you hold, but it does not *make* you who you *are*."
Or as another wise person said: "No matter where you go, there you are."
:-)
Michael Silverhands
From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
Date: September 5, 2006 12:17:42 AM CDT
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] When to wearCoronets and Hats from Duchess willow
The choice whether you wear your hat is up to you. In my time period the kings of England only wore their crowns on special days and it would had been improper to wear something if your king is not wearing anything. Have you noticed that many of our dukes only wear their coronets at high court.
The Roses wear theirs most of the time but mainly as a way to finish off our garb. They are great for keeping veils on. They also solve the problem of what to do with your hair. Some people, like me wear period coronets that look like SCA baronial coronets.
Be warned if you don't wear your "hat" or you do like I do and not wear the correct SCA coronet. It will be very possible that people will not address you by your proper title. If this is going to bother you please help people out and wear your coronet. In the SCA many barons put their coronets on their regular hats, but my studies suggest this is not a period style. Look at today's customs most nobles in England only wear their hats in full court situations and they don't wear them with hats.
Duchess Willow de Wisp
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