coronets-msg - 12/24/11
Medieval coronets and crowns. SCA coronets and crowns.
NOTE: See also the files: wearng-cornts-msg, jewelry-msg, beads-msg, gem-sources-msg, gloves-msg, headgear-msg, metals-msg, metalworking-msg, Signet-Rings-art.
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From: zkessin at world.std.com (Zach)
Subject: Re: Crowns, Coronets, & Law
Organization: As little as posible
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 22:29:30 GMT
blackhmr at alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Robert M Van Rens) writes:
>>Most of the SCA standards for coronets date to 1660.
>Where would one look for such information? I certainly don't know where to
>begin...any suggestions anyone?
I got it from "A Complete Guide to Heraldry" by Arther Charles
Fox-Davies. Which is a good book to have and not to expensive.
(There is a chapter on coronets)
From: rorice at nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (rosalyn rice)
Subject: Re: Period Coronets! Help!
Date: 24 Oct 1995 02:26:06 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Check out Ottfried Neubecker's "Heraldry: Sources, Symbols, and
Meanings". It's got a lot of good color pictures of medieval and
renaissance crowns and coronets. For Byzantine, the definitive source
would be the frescoes from the Haigia Sophia that show Justinian and
Theodora. As I remember, the Byzantine crown was more of a bejewelled cap
with "earrings" hanging off of each side.
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 18:03:59 -0500
From: theodelinda at webtv.net (linda webb)
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Stumpwork
The Victoria and Albert Museum has examples of Elizabethan guildmasters
crowns done in raised embroidery, which is the step before full-blown
stumpwork--These are velvet circlets with embroidery on them. The one I
recall best has a pattern of leaves and flowers, with a crest in the
center. I believe most, if not all, of the embroidery, including the
raised work, is in metal threads.--Theo
Subject: BG - Bryn Gwlad Coronets
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 23:22:25 MST
From: Dennis and/or Dory Grace <amazing at mail.utexas.edu>
To: bryn-gwlad at Ansteorra.ORG
>About Bryn Gwlad Baronial Coronets. Why not incorporate some, if not all
>insignias or devices that are the barony's and use them on and around the
>baronial coronets. It would definitely help identify and let everyone know
>what barony our baron and baroness are from. Suggestion: Look at all baronial
>devices.Figure out which and what looks the best and with what. End result is
>the design for the baronial coronets.
I rather like this idea. I wonder how well the badge/device elements would
go together in such a way; I bet it would make for a very impressive set of
BTW, if anyone is interested, you're welcome to take a close look at our
coronets. I really like the way the pearls were designed and
applied--they're all easily replacable. Small brass tubes were soldered
behind each point, a slightly smaller brass tube slips into the soldered
tube (fitting quite tightly) which accomodates a brass hat pin. Slip a
pearl onto the hat pin, insert a small bit of sticky wax into the brass
tubes, and insert the pearl-on-a-pin into the brass tube. Voila'. Very
nice. (Especially for someone like me who tends to be just a weeeeeeeee bit
prone to crack or knock the pearls off on occassion (gotta stop that
head-butting in the circles ;->).
Subject: BG - new coronets
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 11:20:10 MST
From: Chris Yone <cyone at sprd1.mdacc.tmc.edu>
To: Bryn-Gwlad list <bryn-gwlad at Ansteorra.ORG>
here are some sources for crown examples (though mostly royal) that are
(this site may take some time to load -I thought it was slow on a T1, may
have been a bad connection) Picturse and a little about English rulers
through the centuries.
Medieval England 3
they are selling these plates, but the online versions are worth looking at.
they do give some mention of sources-though very broad.
Another thing to consiter that I think adds grace and sophistication to
crowns and coronets is a velvet cap underneath. It was done in England by
the 15th c. and was used by royalty and nobles. The main distinction
between the royal circlets and others was that royalty had more (and bigger)
gemstones and semi precious stones and detail. Royalty also had the crossing
hoops topped with an orb by the 15th c.
From: geard at clear.net.nz (J Geard)
Subject: Masters' Crowns
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:33:10 GMT
Greetings all, from Alys;
I quote from "Elizabethan Embroidery" (London: Faber, 1963) by George
Wingfield Digby, who was Keeper of Textiles at the Victoria & Albert
"CROWNS (City Livery Companies)
"Crowns, usually of embroidered velvet, were used for crowning the
masters at ceremonies of the Courts of the Livery Companies of London.
The following crowns are still in the possession of the Companies: the
Carpenters, dated 1561; the Girdlers, from the second half of the 16th
century; the Broderers, second half of the 16th century; and the
Parish Clerks, a pair, dated 1601. The last are on permanent loan to
the Victoria and Albert Museum, but are withdrawn twice a year for the
"These crowns are of particular interest because they are typical
examples of professional embroidery of the period; unquestionably this
must be so in the case of the Broderers' own Company, and one of their
two crowns is here illustrated, Pl. 11 (the other is in slightly less
good condition). It is a crown of tawny-orange velvet and is
embroidered with a rich floral pattern in which silver and gold in a
great variety of threads and strips have been used, together with
coloured silks, also with seed pearls, though these have now almost
entirely disappeared; the use of silver strips in place of sequins is
noteworthy. The method of embroidery is prinicipally couched work,
with a certain amount of raised work. The centre of the crown has the
Company's badge of the dove in a shaped cartouche. Inside the crown
embroidered in large letters on the same velvet is the motto 'Omnia de
The crown shown is made from a band of stiffened and lined velvet
about 2 inches high. It's heavily encrusted with naturalistic
fruit-flowers-and-foliage raised embroideries, and in the centre-front
the embroidered Broderers' badge looks very stylish (although it also
looks like a bird pinned out on a sun-patterned dissection plate).
From what I can see of the motto inside the crown it's in large
upper-case letters in a Roman serifed font.
My first though when I found references to the embroidered crowns of
masters and aldermen was "Way cool: how are they made?" My second
thought was "Was it just the Broderers Company which used an
embroidered crown?", to which the answer appears to be "No". My third
was "Here's something that could be used in peerage ceremonies for
Laurels and Pelicans (who don't seem to get nearly as much regalia as
Of course it's more complicated than that. It may be that a Company
only ever had one or two crowns which were used by the Company's
ranking master(s) at special events. It may have been a
late-period-only practice. And it's another thing that would tie the
arts and service peerages to the model of the medieval craft guild or
livery company: essentially a middle- and artisan-class model with
quite different connotations to the aristocratic model of knighthood.
But I still think it's neat, and I still think the Pelicans and
Laurels get shortchanged on symbolism and regalia, so...
Does anyone out there know anything more about masters' crowns, and
has anyone used them or known of their use in the SCA?
Alys le Chaunster
From: The Jones' <lochmor at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Looking for merchant
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:17:23 -0400
I'm hoping someone can help me. I am looking for a merchant that I have
seen at past Pennsic Wars. This lady made the most wonderful coronets.
They were very delicate looking some with floral patterns and some just
silver. I'm looking to purchase a coronet and always thought that if I
ever had occasion to purchase one, I would like one of hers.
Unfortunatly, I did not see her booth at this past Pennsic. She made
other jewelry too. If you can help me, either reply to the newsgroup or
directly to me.
Baroness Genevieve Macpherson
mka Diane Jones
lochmor at ix.netcom.com
From: satyrsong at aol.com (SATYRSONG)
Subject: Re: Looking for merchant
Date: 17 Apr 1998 23:26:12 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
I believe the person you are looking for is Jan Wyman of Crafty Fox.
Her wares were there last year, in Ashton's Dragon Heart tent. Some times she
goes to the war as a solo merchant, some times not.
The last address I have for her is:
P O Box 471
E. Hamstead, N.H. 03826
Subject: RE: ANST - Vague Laws
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 07:03:22 MST
From: John Ruble <ulf at urocor.com>
To: "'ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG'" <ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG>
Sir Alrek said:
> 2.Engrailed coronets. They may have no more than six "points" or
> projections, which may be surmounted by spherical projections of no
> more than 1/2 inch diameter, and must have a smoothly concave outline
> between each "point", so as to clearly distinguish them from County
> In part 2. what does surmounted mean?