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feathers-msg - 3/20/03


Period uses for feathers. Feather sources.


NOTE: See also the files: arrows-msg, beads-msg, fans-msg, headgear-msg,

arch-supplies-msg, archery-books-msg, fowls-a-birds-msg.





This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I  have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.


This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org


I  have done  a limited amount  of  editing. Messages having to do  with separate topics  were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the  message IDs  were removed to save space and remove clutter.


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Thank you,

    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

                                          Stefan at florilegium.org



Subject: Re: ANST - Ostrich plumes

Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 15:36:02 MST

From: Alexis <drwise at swbell.net>

To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG


> Hanse hier, having a spot of trouble.  I've been asked to do a lovely set of

> garments by one of my more refined clients and I find that nobody in all of

> Heidelburg seems to know where I might acquire ostrich plumes in the quality

> and volume that I need for the chappeau.  I don't want those sissy looking

> plumes you so often find at that merchant 'JoAnnes' shop; what I want are

> the HUGE good ones that have a base as big around as a vienna sausage and

> are as full as a frenchman who's been locked up all night in a snail,

> croissant, and wine shop.  My client has a special dispensation from Kaiser

> Max to wear whatever colors he so desires and to completely disregard any

> rules regarding ostentatiousness so we will be needing *no less* than twenty

> plumes... any assistance you good folks can possibly lend us in this area

> would be highly appreciated.


> Danke,


> Hanse- tailor to the stars of Ansteorra, Burgundy, and the Holy Roman

> Empire.


Greetings 'Hanse'


As one who has been known to sport an ostrich plume or two, I might

direct you to House Morningstar as a reasonably priced vendor of same,

they may be contacted at (713) 729-7990 (11246 S. Post Oak, Houston, Tx



Sir Alexis LaBouche



Subject: Re: ANST - Ostrich plumes

Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 10:27:33 MST

From: "George Savage" <grlgeorge at hotmail.com>

To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG


Dearest Hanse,

upon hearing your request, I had to ask myself, how far is this person

willing to travel to aquire the above mentioned plumes?

So not knowing where you hail from, I will proceed full ahead.

Here in Bonwicke, there is a wonderfull shoppe called "THE JOKER", that

has such mentioned plumes, of various sizes and wonderous colours.

Their address is as follows:


The Joker Costumes Magic & Novelty Company

Briercroft Shopping Center

52nd & Avenue Q

Lubbock, Texas 79412



They may, perchance, be willing to deal with you over the phone, or

through the mail.


Good Luck!


Lady Ysoulde

Ship's Cook and Surgeon




Subject: Re: ANST - Ostrich plumes

Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 11:11:25 MST

From: "Trish McCurdy" <ladyoftherose at hotmail.com>

To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG


Rooster Cohburn's Ostrich Ranch in Picacho Peak Arizona will ship as

many to you as you want, I dont know what the prices are, but I used to

stop and feed the Ostrich alot *L*





Subject: Re: ANST - Ostrich plumes

Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 11:51:49 MST

From: "Deborah Sweet"<dssweet at okway.okstate.edu>

To: <ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG>


Guten Tag, Herr Hanse.


        In the current issue of the Renaissance magazine, is an add for

     Ostriches On Line. Their contact information:


        Ostriches On Line

        2218 N 75th Ave

        Elmwood Park, IL  60707


        Tel 1-708-452-7596

        Fax 1-708-452-7510

        email: feathers at ostrichesonline.com



        I've had no contact with this company, but it's worth looking at

     their web page, at least.





Subject: ANST - Feathers (WAS: Re: Ostrich plumes)

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 98 23:49:20 MST

From: "Mike C. Baker" <kihe at ticnet.com>

To: <ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG>


Our learned and estimable collector of knowledge, Stefan,



> How else were feathers used in period?


One method in which they were used was in the creation of

symbols of rank and privilege.  In the British Isles, the

"tugen" was a feathered cloak made of the unplucked

but somehow preserved skins of the ducks which dwelt

upon one specific lake.  The natural feather coloration

was blue-black, no dye was required for the feathers



Such cloaks were restricted as the right and privilege of

the most advanced of the bards, filidh and ollave as they

are named in the ancient Irish forms.  However, many of

our SCA membership will have seen a recent example in

use for dramatic purposes.  Recalling the _Merlin_

mini-series, think upon the cloak worn by Sam Neill's

portrayal of the eponymous character.


While there are those who fault most aspects of modern

theatrical works, be assured that for once they got

something _very_ right.  The Merlin of Britain, the Taliesin

of Wales: these would certainly have been accepted as

wearers of the tugen.


At least, such is what I have learnt in my bardic researches.


Mike C. Baker

SCA: Amr ibn Majid al-Bakri al-Amra (Steppes, Ansteorra)

"Other": Kihe Blackeagle (the Dreamsinger Bard)



Subject: plumes.

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:21:50 -0600

From: "adams, ozy" <ozy at door.net>

To: <stefan at texas.net>


A great source for ostrich plumes is ostrichesonline.com.


-0zymandias Breakstock, Squire to Sir Max



Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:58:17 -0500

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: Phesants


Melanie Wilson wrote:

>         >3) any ideas for using the feathers?


> In hats, feathers were popular in medieval times in hats. Any other ideas

> would be good as I keep saving mine thinking they must be useful for

> something as they sell for pounds at fair, but all I have is jam jars full

> of them on the window sill :)


> Mel


Well, there's badminton; stocks and feathers (insert diverse tortures

here); fake birds on hats, etc.


As for cooking - see http://www.labs.net/dmccormick/helmet04.htm





Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:42:43 -0700 (PDT)

From: H B <nn3_shay at yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: SC - gilding the goose?


- --- LrdRas at aol.com wrote:

> Better yet use a feather to apply the egg yolk.


So where does one find food-safe feathers?


There is an ostrich farm somewhere here in NW PA, and they set up a

booth at fairs and things to sell ostrich burgers.  They also sell

feathers, which the woman's daughter collects up and tosses in the

washer inside a pillow case, then in the dryer with a (clean,

for-the-purpose) sneaker.  Is laundry detergent bad, or is it okay

(rinses well enough)?  Could I use these if I re-wash the same way

(washer/dryer) with, say, laundry soap as opposed to detergent (i.e.,

Ivory Snow), or dumping dish soap in the washer?  How much dish soap to

a washer load?  Would this rinse out enough soap, or would I need to



(I'm asking for opinions/guesses to re-check my thinking here -- I

don't suppose many people wash feathers in their washer or put dish

soap in them.)


- -- Harriet



Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:51:18 -0500

From: LYN M PARKINSON <allilyn at juno.com>

Subject: Re: SC - gilding the goose? flooding the kitchen!


NO, NO, NO!  Don't put dish liquid in your dishwasher or your washing

machine.  My 9 year old grandson read the label of some palmolive dish

soap, saw it was for dishes, filled the dishwasher powder container in

the door, and turned on the dishwasher.  Fortunately, his sister saw the

welling suds escaping through door cracks before it got *too* far!  I do

wish I'd remembered the camera when I opened the door!


Wanting to disinfect some scuzzy thing I was washing, I once put 'just a

little squirt' of an antibacterial dish liquid into the washer.  Not so

spectacular as V. Jay's attempt, but don't you do it!


If the rinsing is the only issue, just use plain water--i.e., run the

feathers through without any additives.  Might not be as much fun, but

it's food-grade safer!





Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:03:47 EDT

From: LrdRas at aol.com

Subject: Re: SC - gilding the goose?


nn3_shay at yahoo.com writes:

<< So where does one find food-safe feathers? >>


I use goose feathers. They can be washed in warm soapy water, dried and then

restored by pulling them through your fingers.





From: Ingeborg Denner <Ingeborg.Denner at erlf.siemens.de>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: cleaning a feather bed?

Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:29:21 +0200

Organization: Siemens Business Services


Bryanna wrote:

> I've acquired a gently used feather bed from a thrift store, cheap and in

> good condition.  Mostly down with some feathers, Queen size, double layer

> cloth cover.  How do I clean it? It isn't stained or anything, I just want

> to get some of the 'used' out of it.


Personally I found 3 different ways to clean feather beds.


1. Get to a store where they sell them and have it cleaned. Advantage:

Afterwards it's better than before. Disadvantage: It's so d*** expensive

that you could buy a low-quality *new* featherbed for that.


2. Give it to the cleaners. Advantage: No bother, the bed is treated

reasonably well. Disadvantage: Costs money, the bed looses some fluff.


3. Put in in the washing machine, use cold or luke-warm water and down

soap (you get it in outdoor stores). Put a pair of reasonably clean

sneakers in the washing machine, too. Dry cold or luke-warm, again, add

the sneakers. Advantage: Cheap. Plus, clean sneakers ;-). Disadvantage:

Takes long, the bed looses some fluff.  



What I prefer:


Just air it, preferably in the mornings. Do that for a few days in a

row. Quite often that's enough.





From: mayfair13a at aol.com (Mayfair13a)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Date: 03 Apr 2001 06:54:43 GMT

Subject: Re: cleaning a feather bed?


I use a feather bed for camping, and like you I aquired mine used.  I asked my

dry cleaner (they adore me, I wonder why?) the best way to clean it.  They told

me to wash it in a big washing machine at the laundry and dry w/tennis balls or

shoes.  I've had it for 4 years now and had no problem with this method.  Sure

is ALOT cheaper than the drycleaner!  I think it is nice to toss in some

vinegar the first time you wash just to get out anything you might not want to

sleep on;).  Every summer when I get it out for camping I run it through my

dryer with some wash rags I soaked lightly(very lightly) in pennyroyal just to

freshen it.  I also agree that sitting it out in the sunshine is a great way to

freshen it.  


Another tip.  I use a flannel duvet cover for mine when I camp.  A little added

protection for the bed and it keeps the feathers from being pokey.





Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:19:25 -0600 (CST)

From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" <pixel at hundred-acre-wood.com>

To: SCA-Cooks maillist <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] chicken plucking


On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Mark.S Harris wrote:

> So, what did the medieval folks do with all those feathers?


Mattress stuffing. I have a reference sitting around somewhere for

mattresses stuffed with feathers.


And isn't there a recipe that calls for coloring to be applied to the food in question with a feather? We *just* discussed this one, too.





From: Bronwynmgn at aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:38:02 EST

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] chicken plucking

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org


pixel at hundred-acre-wood.com writes:

> And isn't there a recipe that calls for coloring to be applied to the food

> in question with a feather? We *just* discussed this one, too.


Yep.  It's in Forme of Cury, Fonnell, numbered, in Pegge's version, with a

confusing series of Roman numerals, namely xx on the top and then III.II.




Take almand unblanched. Grynde hem and drawe hem up with gode broth.  Take a

lombe or a kidde and half roste hym, or the thridde part, smyte hym in gobet

and cast hym to the mylke. Take smale bridd ysasted and ystyned(what is

that?), and do thereto sugar, powdor of canell and salt, take yolkes of ayren

harde ysode and cleeve a two and ypanced with flower of canell and florish

the fewe above. Take alkenet fryed and ysondred and droppe above with a

feather and messe it forth.


Brangwayna Morgan



From: Gail Taylor <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ostrich feather drying?

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:37:53 -0600


I've had a good number of wet feathers now.  Either they dry and fluff

up on their own again or don't.  I never did try the clothes dryer method.




G. W. S. wrote:

> Dear Gail


> I came accross a messgae you left on the internet regarding drying

> ostrich feathers (without recking them). Did manage to get it right?


> Tim Pitt

> Gail P. Taylor ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG


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