SCA-as-family-msg – 7/10/05
Sometimes the SCA is like family.
NOTE: See also the files: SCA-reasons-msg, SCA-The-Dream-msg, SCA-gays-msg, magic-moments-msg, SCA-stories2-msg, SCA-hist2-msg.
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From: moore at mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Michael Moore/Peregrine the Illuminator)
Subject: Re: Death of Sir Angus Ulrych, Nordskogen
Organization: Baronial Colleges of Nordleigh, SCA
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 13:38:08 GMT
In article <1993Jul04.160313.1040 at edsi.plexus.COM> grimmund at edsi.plexus.COM (Grimmund Blackwing) writes:
>
>Well Met, all.
> Ill news on the Rialto. I just got a call from one of the local
>Windhaveners who went to the Nordskogen Warlord Tourney.
> Sir Angus recently (Thursday?) suffered a brain annurism, and
>died Saturday. He will be greatly missed.
> I regret that I didn't know him well enogh to be able to tell
>the rest of you more about him. He was a fine man, always willing
>to help others.
>
> Grimmund Blackwing, Windhaven,
>Crown Principality of the Northshield, Middle Kingdom
>Usenet: grimmund at edsi.plexus.com
I was at Warlord. We found out over cellular telephone at Noon Saturday.
The torrential downpour fit our mood exactly.
I hear the wake was long and well-attended. Due to the tornado watches,
many of us chose to seek shelter.
The raffle/auction at the event raised $500 for Sue, (Ishebail is how
her name is pronounced in the SCA) his wife of three weeks. All those
wishing to be in the Northshield Encampment at Pennsic should contact Lady
Kira, Lord Saeric Scirham's wife (anyone have a mundane address), who is
also handling the donations for Sue.
Pardon my ramblings, but I think some people might want to know.
He was an example and a friend to us all. Sunday morning, Aramanthra held
a waffle breakfast in his honor (his tradition of many years), but no
syrup or other stuff was added: after all, no one can top Angus.
At the Northshield Fighting and Feasting Forum in Finis Terrae (and the
Principality formation), his home group asked "that Angus Ulrich be
elevated to the status of God... or at least a minor Deity...". Since
Church and State are separate in this land, King Finn was unable to comply,
and instead brought him into the order of the Dragons' tooth. His
willingness to help and his drive to serve are unmatched.
Requiescat in pacem, Angus.
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From: mwolfe at epas.utoronto.ca (Menya Wolfe)
Subject: Re: Death of Sir Angus Ulrych, Nordskogen
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 16:32:09 GMT
In article <1993Jul04.160313.1040 at edsi.plexus.COM> grimmund at edsi.plexus.COM (Grimmund Blackwing) writes:
>
>Well Met, all.
> Ill news on the Rialto. I just got a call from one of the local
>Windhaveners who went to the Nordskogen Warlord Tourney.
> Sir Angus recently (Thursday?) suffered a brain annurism, and
>died Saturday. He will be greatly missed.
> I regret that I didn't know him well enogh to be abble to tell
>the rest of you more about him. He was a fine man, always willing
>to help others.
>
> Grimmund Blackwing, Windhaven,
>Crown Principality of the Northshield, Middle Kingdom
>Usenet: grimmund at edsi.plexus.com
I knew Angus slightly, and he was a good person and a worthy knight.
We met when Cariadoc asked me to be his dinner companion at a Grey
Gargoyles feast after he won the tournament, and we remained friends
through his knighthood, my laureling, and his engagement. I will
really miss seeing him at Pennsic, full of hugs and good cheer.
Rhiannon
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: caa at c2s.mn.org (Charles Anderson)
Subject: Re: Death of Sir Angus Ulrych, Nordskogen
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 15:25:56 GMT
In article <1993Jul5.133808.11369 at news.stolaf.edu> moore at mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Michael Moore/Peregrine the Illuminator) writes:
|In article <1993Jul04.160313.1040 at edsi.plexus.COM> grimmund at edsi.plexus.COM (Grimmund Blackwing) writes:
|>
|>Well Met, all.
|> Ill news on the Rialto. I just got a call from one of the local
|>Windhaveners who went to the Nordskogen Warlord Tourney.
|> Sir Angus recently (Thursday?) suffered a brain annurism, and
|>died Saturday. He will be greatly missed.
The anuerism was a prexisting condition that was not known about, high
blood pressure, and the stress of closing on a house (which did not get
done, the well did not test out, it was to retested and closed on today.)
probably caused it to burst, causing a massive stroke, in the left frontal
lobe. He never regained consciousness.
|The raffle/auction at the event raised $500 for Sue, (Ishebail is how
|her name is pronounced in the SCA) his wife of three weeks.
I attended Angus and Iseabails wedding. He was a very happy man when he
died. The last count was over $800.
We built a very large bonfire in Angus's memory, he loved making BIG fires.
We danced and drank, and told stories of Agnus until the wee hours in the
morning. You had to love a man whose favorite penalty to dish out was
"Drink a beer".
-Dmitri (who writes this with a tear in his eye as he will greatly miss
a man he called a good friend.)
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From: tbarnes at silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes)
Subject: Re: handicapped
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 23:58:02 GMT
In article <1993Aug30.225125.10239 at mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mchance at nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Chance) writes:
>Tibor wrote:
>
>>Dennis O'Connor wrote:
>> If you've been told "don't ever strain yourself", don't go to an SCA war.
>
>>I've been told that all the time, Dennis. Usually by friends, but
>>occasionally by my doctor. Had a great time at Pennsic anyway
>>(including water-bearing in the Woods: carried three gallons of water
>>there by foot, ran around for two hours, and walked home.)
>
>But Tibor, that can all be explained by the impromptu "Stations of the
>Cross" that you, me, and Lothar did after the St. Michael's Passage on
>Wednsday. Your miracle was no heart attack; mine was surviving the
>Field battle (fighting with Moonwulf's Rangers, who were supposed to
>occupy the entire left half of the Eastern army, wearing borrowed
>minimal Ansteorran armor and a big war heater shield) with only a
>banged up wrist.
>
>So, Lothar, what's your miracle?
Either A) I didn't get one because I made jokes about it, or B)
Coming home from Pennsic NOT sunburned, not burnt out, and with money in
my pockets. Or it could have been the fact that I didn't get lost once
on the way home (not even in Youngstown which usually confuses the Hell
out of me). This was offset by the fact that the alternator on my car
died outside of Dayton, in Godforsaken Nowhere Ohio on a Sunday night
with classes starting the next day. On the other hand, maybe the miracle
was that I had friends who were willing to drive 3 hours in the middle
of the night to rescue me, my lady, and our goods, then drive 3 hours
back to Bloomington Indiana.
I'm not sure.
Lothar \|/
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From: corliss at hal.PHysics.wayne.EDU (David J. Corliss)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Royalty
Date: 2 Feb 1994 13:45:20 -0500
Organization: The Internet
Dennis writes:
]It's just a shame that our Kings and Queen will have to spend time on this
]issue (membership and ths BoD) instead of enjoying the War as they deserve to.
Certainly they deserve to enjoy the War, for by their dedication, unstinting
service, and extravagant expenditure, they make all possible for the rest of
us. Unfortunately, this is generally at the cost of enjoying the event
themselves, whatever the issues of the day. It simply goes with the job.
I have seen the Crown Prince of Meridies (I believe; this was at Pennsic years
ago) hurry with the rest of the guests from a party for the Royalty of the
Known World, because a storm was coming and he wanted to be sure that all his
people were well. I saw him later, in all his finery and having laid aside only
his Coronet, walking through the ensuing downpour. Soaked through, his clothes
ruined, he walked as if there were no rain, as only a man who long before had
been saturated may do. Still, he continued to check on the well being of his
people. It was the most noble thing I have ever seen in my time in this
Society.
At other times, I have seen Royalty hurrying through the night, while all else
were at parties, to find Ministers and try to avert a crisis. I literally seen
people drop from exhaustion in front of me. It is indeed a shame that they will
not be able to spend more time enjoying this event. It is simply my observation
that they rarely able to do so. We can only express our gratitude and, by such
service as we may give, lighten the burden somewhat.
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: MCNUTT at gateway.ce.utk.edu (Bill McNutt)
Subject: Re: Orphans and the SCA!?
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 20:34:56 GMT
Warning! The attached post contains and Original Thought. Exposure to an
Original Thought can lead to Critical Thinking. If you have not signed the
new new waiver or filed a consent form, please be aware that you read here at
your own risk.
In article <bubba.770840810 at skynet.ludd.luth.se> bubba at ludd.luth.se (U.J|rgen
hman) writes:>In <1994Jun1.041639.1 at aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca at aurora.alaska.edu
writes:
>>Question, strange that it may be, please forgive..
>>Is their any cases of SCA Orphans? Namely children of SCA members whose parents
>>have passed beyond to the Torney in the Sky (or other place of choice?) and
>>left their children behind as orphans, and how does the SCA handle it?
>But as everybody says, _we're_famous_but_not_a_cult_... so I guess the state
>has to deal with orphans and such things.
Actually, while we may not be a cult, we are a community.
(Hang on folks. Most of you have seen this before, but it's the only original
thought I've had in 20 years. Blame television. Anyway, I think it makes
sense, and I'm proud of it.)
This really only applies to the American SCA, but by and large, we are a
mobile society. One of the reasons why and SCA generation is reputed to be so
short is that so many of us move away. Man, by nature, is a pack/tribal
animal, who only thrives within a community. Now, a intelligent people, we
can make do and get by surrounded by strangers, but most of us are not happy
alone. And a small family group isn't enough to provide that. With the
increase in geographic mobility, the old-fashioned neighborhood and small down
break up, and people begin to look elsewhere for a community to be a part of.
For many people, the SCA is that community. There they find friendship,
companionship, and a sense of belonging. In my 10+ years as a Scadian, I have
seen marriages, divorces, "barn-raisings," and house-warmings. I have sat
with household members through childbirth, and I have set an empty place at
feast in remembrance as well.
Last boarder raids I bought a raffle ticket to help a shire raise a college
fund for two member's children who had been orphaned in a traffic accident.
I've seen children fostered and criminals cast out.
To answer the original question, the SCA, Inc does not address the social
needs of the membership at large, and should not. (If it did, we'd need
another waiver, eh?) But the membership, more and more, is acting as a social
support web for each other. Whether orphans are addressed depends entirely on
the local group. Most groups have yet to need to address tragedy at that
level of magnitude.
This is also why, IMHO, people get so bent about precedence, banners, and
circlets. This issue isn't really who gets to wear what circlet, or carry
what banner, but what are the rules and mores of our society, and who gets to
define them.
I am not a sociologist, and I don't play one on TV. Not available in some
stores. Don't try this at home. Your miliage may vary.
From: locksley at indirect.com (Joe Bethancourt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Hall Of Memories of the Fallen?
Date: 18 Aug 1994 06:31:13 GMT
Organization: Internet Direct, Inc.
nsmca at aurora.alaska.edu wrote:
: Does the SCA/Society have a hall of memories, a place for the names, and
: devices of the fallen (true death, not SCA death) can be displayed, stored,
: and recorded?
: Kenit McGregor, Haus Leibenstern Prester/Archivist.
Actually, I dare say that most Kingdoms' Orders of Precedence have a little
listing (ours does) after the name ..... something like
Dale the Small, KSCA (dscd)
Though nothing can match the story of the Queen of Atenveldt who died in
a car wreck......and -all- the roses available in her home state of Utah
were at the funeral. Roses had to be shipped in from neighboring states.
You literally could not see the chapel for the roses.
"There were no Roses in Artemesia."
--
locksley at indirect.com PO Box 35190 Locksley Plot Systems
White Tree Productions Phoenix, AZ 85069 USA CyberMongol Ltd
From: locksley at indirect.com (Joe Bethancourt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Legends can get out of hand
Date: 22 Aug 1994 15:44:37 GMT
Organization: Internet Direct, Inc.
Dorothy J Heydt (djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: (Hal posting from Dorothy's account...)
: In article <940820074935.b975 at alpha.nsula.edu>,
: <NSRIZ9923 at alpha.nsula.EDU> wrote:
: >sombody better than you out there. That most of the SCA urban legends may
: >have a shreed of truth in them, the real incident probably is a lot smaller
: >than how it is told. our fighting abilities give us several advantages in
: >the real world but often they fail to help us get out of true tight situations.
: >Especially those situations where it is not worth our lives to defend.
: As Kingdom Constable, I have always advised those in my Office
: that if they think they need weapons to handle a Situation, call
: a cop.
There has been much discussion about it....and the general opinion seems
to be that the SCA folks tend to "be heroes." It has happened before, and
it will happen again, as witness many of our Urban Legends.
Unfortunately, Conn ran into the kind of Mad Dog that you discuss leter
in your post. I'll be posting another news article on the killing in a
couple of days that sheds a gret deal of light on the incident.
: Second, there is what I call the "Mad Dog" reason. If the guilty
: party is just too dangerous (or too crazy) to ever risk letting
: loose it can be seen a a mercy killing--for both the person
: executed and for society as a whole.
All indications are that the person who actually wielded the knife is
the Mad Dog type. I am told that the County Attny. is seeking murder one
on all four, tho this is second-hand info.
Gentles.....please....let us all take this as a lesson.
The funeral was held yesterday, in Tucson, and his mother and family were
astounded at the number of SCA people that attended. We filled, and
overflowed, the chapel....and his family was amazed at the different
kinds of people there, from wealthy to poverty-stricken students, from
rocknrollies to ministers.
Perhaps the most emotional moment of the service was when Duchess Larissa
announced that she and her husband, Count Elric ap Moray, are naming their
unborn child after their friend, Conn.
--
locksley at indirect.com PO Box 35190 Locksley Plot Systems
White Tree Productions Phoenix, AZ 85069 USA CyberMongol Ltd
From: spydrec at aol.com (SpydreC)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: YKYITSCAW
Date: 10 Apr 1995 14:23:16 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Off subject just a little but...
>Now I know I'm in SCA-- the other day, while traveling home from
>work on the freeway, I observed someone in process of removing the
>spare tire from their GM four door sedan trunk. The floor piece>
was removed and leaning against the car- its shape roughly two sides
>perpendicular to one edge, the lower edge a semi-circle. And my
>first thought was "Why would anyone put a 6 inch diameter hole in the
>middle of their shield?"
>Shlomo Korobeinik
> Russian Caravan Trad
After Estrella this year, a number of Westies had problems when coming
home. I know that at least two folks, upon having car trouble, immediately
put out their sheilds behind the car. Within 30 minutes both had been
assisted by fellow Scadians. Others I know of who also had car trouble,
but did not put out a sheild, device etc. were in for much longer delays.
SOOOOOOOO......
"You know you've been in the SCA to long when"
You always put out your shield, helm, device etc whenever you break down.
Even when driving to work.
Of course its a bad sign when you have your armor in the car in the first
place (anyone wanna go a few rounds at lunch? :>).
Joel Connors | Teirnion Shadowmist
joel_connors at attpls.net | Principality of the Mists
San Francisco, CA | Kingdom of the West
From: UDSD007 at DSIBM.OKLADOT.STATE.OK.US (Mike.Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Ansteorra suffers major loss
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:28
Organization: The University of Oklahoma (USA)
To all Nobles, Peers, and Gentles to whom these presents may come,
Greeting.
I have the honor to acquaint you that, following a funeral Mass
at St. Philip Neri Church, Midwest City, Oklahoma, the body of
H. E. Caitlin Anna ni Seanain (mka Kathleen Anna Young Lister)
was laid to rest in St. Joseph's Catholic Cemetery, Norman,
Oklahoma, which is on the grounds of the Odd Fellows' Cemetery.
A vigil and prayer service had been held the previous night at
the same church.
The church was full: all seats were occupied, and some attendees
were obliged to stand through the service. To my personal
knowledge, folk came from all over Ansteorra to do honor to
Baroness Caitlin and to Baron Pepin; in addition some folk came
from as far away as central Tennessee and Kansas City, Missouri.
All was done with due and proper ceremony. Baron Pepin, as a
parting salute to his lady, summoned forth his herald, who led
the populace assembled in three rousing cheers of "Vivat!".
Then we all filed by the grave to place flowers on the casket,
which had been lowered to its final position.
The officiating priest and Baroness Caitlin's parents were
completely astonished at the number of people attending, and at
the distances which many of them had travelled. We who knew her
and loved her were in no way astonished.
Baron Pepin will need a great deal of support and love in the
next several months.
Pray, I beseech you all, for the repose of the soul of
Baroness Caitlin Anna ni Seanain
(m.k.a. Katherine Anna Young Lister),
and for peace and healing for her husband,
Baron Pepin de Moroni
(m.k.a. Danny Lister)
--
udsd007 at dsibm.okladot.state.ok.us
Michael Fenwick of Fotheringhay, O.L. (Mike Andrews) Namron, Ansteorra
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996
From: horton at dhostwo.convex.com (Patricia Horton)
To: ansteorra at eden.com
Subject: Baron Subodai's Funeral
I have received many phone calls asking about arrangements for Baron Subodai's
funeral. Thanks to Sir Barn's lady Kat, I have the following information:
Funeral will be 1pm on Saturday
Smith-Kernke Funeral Home
1401 NW 23rd St
OKC, OK 73106
This is also the address you should send flowers to. Visitation is this
evening and tomorrow. Arafel has requested that those coming please wear
garb. Most of their friends were SCA and she wants the service to befit
a Baron.
There will be a charity for donations. Nothing definite has been decided yet.
As soon as I know I will post the information here.
My respects and prayers go to Baroness Arafel and the Northern Region who
have experienced yet another tragic loss.
Maire
From: Bonny Franklin <bfrankli at adobe.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Condolance gifts for Sir Sebastian
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:08:09 -0700
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Greetings My Lords and Ladies-
I have been receiving many calls regarding where flowers can be sent,
Sebastian's parents have requested that in lieu of flowers, doantions
be sent to the Land Fund or to the Barony of Darkwood, givers choice.
If you have any questions regarding this, please feel free to email me
at BonnyJ at juno.com
In Service to the Dream and the Memeory of Sir Sebastian
Aletheia de la Mer Argentee
From: Father Gregory <apospirit at sprintmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Really Cool YKYITSCAW that happened in Meridies
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:01:30 -0400
My mother's car was in the shop so she drove mine. The tire went flat.
As she was stuck on the interstate a group of young men in Fraternity
shirts stop. One of them says, "Milady, can we be of service" My
mother was uneasy. Then one of the young gentlemen explained that they
were in the SCA and had seen the sticker on my car. They changed the
tire and made certain that all was well.
I guess the YKYITSCAW is
.....Strangers treat you like family, when they see a sticker on your
car
Catherine (using a borrowed email account)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:10:49 -0500
From: Malgar Thorvik <sds4168 at ccp.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: I`m back
Dear friends of Calontir...
My wife, child, and I wish to thank all of you that offered your
assistance in our time of need. A house fire can really ruin your summer.
I hope that I didnt offend the many people whose offers I refused. Our
mundane friends and family helped a bunch. But they could not compare to
our SCA friends and Family. We love you all. We are still fighting our
insurance people but with the help of a lawyer, we will be allright.
Ld Malgar Thorvik
Annyawna Thorvik
and da baby
Ld Malgar Thorvik
Brass forging, Venitian and Glass bead maker, leather
Cogitatio Viva Est
The Dream is Alive
From: cian at ghg.net (Gregory R. Gagnon)
To: <ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG>
Subject: ANST - Qatar Bound - NOT
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:53:20 -0500
Thanks to all of you who offered their sympathies and best wishes on my
impending departure for Qatar. Some concerned folks in the Barony (Stargate)
found me a position to keep me at home, close to hearth, kith, and kin. Thanks
again to all of you, I look forward to seeing you often and:
VIVAT ANSTEORRA!
Ciao,
Cian
gladtonotbeexpatriate
Viscount Cian Conor MacQuaid, KSCA
Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 16:44:34
From: Ernie Husted
To: sca-middle at april.dnaco.net
Subject: [Mid] In Memory Of Jafar
My wife and I have just returned from Jafar's funeral. I had wanted to
share some of the feelings, observations and thoughts I had. I hope this
helps those who could not attend to feel like they were a part of this day.
* We arrived at the funeral home at 9:35 a.m. and the parking lot was
already about filled. Soon the lot and side street were packed with cars.
* The downstairs lobby of the funeral home had standing room only with
people lined up in the doorway unable to enter. A large group of people
were outside.
* This may have been one of the largest gatherings of Middle Kingdom folks
in mundane clothing in history.
* It is hard to recognize some of the S.C.A. folks in suits and mundane
clothing. The trick was to just look at their face to realize where you
had seen them.
* The ceremony was held downstairs with the Society folk all going
upstairs. Upstairs there was one large room with a smaller room off to the
left. There were 200 people seated in the chairs with about 40 standing.
The smaller side room had 30 or so.
* The sound system that was transferring upstairs what was going on during
the service was very poor. There was only a single speaker in the ceiling.
Some of the loud background hum stopped when some of the overhead lights
were turned off.
* For such a large group of people, you could have heard a pin drop as
everyone strained to listen. Some of the service was heard while some was
lost. Everyone in the room was there for a single purpose.
:
: * Late in the service, another speaker was added to the room, which
helped
: some. It was a nice speaker but the room was very large.
:
: * The room become very warm until the air conditioning was turned on.
: This new noise level didn't help. Folks with normal hearing may have
heard
: more than me.
:
: * There were so many cars going to the grave site that they ran out of
the
: purple funeral flags you put on your car.
:
: * The drive to the grave site seemed much longer due to the amount of
cars
: in the procession. Along the way folks stopped on the street or looked
out
: from their house at the procession. The line of cars went from as far as
: you could see in front all the way out of sight in the back.
:
:
: * The traffic escort did a fine job trying to make sure the drive there
: was as safe as possible.
:
: * I asked one of the traffic escort how many cars were in the procession.
: He told me 110 plus. They had been expecting 60 to 80.
:
: * At the grave site the family was in a tent while the Society folks
: formed up in a half moon in front. The Society folks waited quietly
: outside the tent until the family had said there last good-byes. Then the
: Society folks slowly, quietly and reverantly passed by and said their last
: farewells. There were flowers given out and folks laid them on the
coffin.
:
: * The cemetery was smaller and very old. It had a small river/stream
: bordering the one side. It was a beautiful site.
:
: * The day was overcast but not to cold. When the service was over and
: folks were walking back to their cars the sun broke through and shone
down.
: It seemed appropriate.
:
: * I saw all the qualities that I love about the S.C.A. in practice today.
: Everyone was helpful, courteous and caring. There was a mix of peers and
: older members as well as newer folks.
:
: * Jafar's family treated the S.C.A. as part of his extended family. I
had
: one of his family come up and just talk with me and express the family's
: gratitude for all the Society had done.
:
: * The folks at the funeral home did a great job handling perhaps one of
: the largest groups of people they had ever had.
:
: * The handout at the funeral (I started to say flyer) had a picture of
: Jafar taken in 1986. He pretty much looked the same now as he did then.
: The smile and twinkle in his eyes was there.
:
: * I served Jafar when he was the Earl Marshal as well as King. I will
: miss him very much. I am glad I was able to go to the funeral and say my
: good-bye. Now I, along with the rest of the Kingdom, must figure out how
: to best serve Kenna.
:
: Erik Erikson the Scout Potius Feodari Quam Morti
: "Better Dirty Than Dead"
Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 18:35:53
From: Beverly Roden
To: bwintermute at juno.com
Subject: [Fwd: [Ermine] In Memory Of Jafar]
Greetings from Alexis
Ernie sums up much of what happened at the funeral home - what he missed
was that the Knights did not break Jafar's chain - they formed a human
chain of Chivalry (there were about 20 at the graveside services, and
around 30 attended the services, both Friday's visitation and today's
funeral). Duke Dagan spoke of the loss of their brother knight, and
stated that they, as The Chivalry, must now step up their efforts on His
Behalf. Others spoke a word or two, then Palymar broke the human
chain. Then Sir Pieter van Doorn said he had the priviledge of swearing
fealty to His Highness Jafar at the hospital, and suggested this would
be an appropriate time for them to re-affirm their Oath of Fealty to Her
Highness, Kenna. Which they proceeded to do - they all knelt in the
grass and recited their oath. (lead by His Majesty, Palymar) Kenna
began sobbing as they began speaking, and was held up by Mistress Ghita
and Lady Lorelei (who is Kenna's apprentice sister to Catherine de la
Rose). Many who were standing nearby that witnessed this moving scene
began crying (yup, me too). I spoke with Count Sir Ronin (who knighted
Jafar) afterward, expressing my respect and admiration for these actions
by the Chivalry. He told me there were members of the Chivalry who
began to cry, as well, and could not finish reciting their oath, but all
had sworn their fealty in their hearts.
Her Highness, Kenna, was embraced by every member of the Chivalry
present after they had sworn their fealty.
As a side note, I was told that Their Highness of the East, Timothy and
Gabriella attended the visitation Friday night, paying Their respects to
both Kenna and Scott Hall's family. They left for home Friday night to
attend an Eastern event that was held Saturday. (I was priviledged to
meet and work with them during Pennsic 24 when They were King and Queen
- They are wonderful, caring people.)
Thank you Master Erik for your summation of today's sad events. I sat
in the front row with Sir William and Lady Isolde. Perhaps tomorrow I
can write more of what I was fortunate enough to hear of the service.
Regards, Alexis MacAlister (remembering the fun times we who were
Jafar's Curia were priviledged to have)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:52:30 -0600
From: froggestow at juno.com (Roberta R Comstock)
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Anglo-Saxon funerary urns
Stefan li Rous <stefan at texas.net> writes:
>I have heard comments from SCA folks of wanting to be buried in their
>best SCA garb or armor but I don't know if has ever been done.
Baron Sir William Coeur de Boeuf and his wife, Baroness Rosamund, (Barony
of Coeur de Ennui - Des Moines, IA) were buried in their court garb (he
with his sword) after their death in a head-on collision while en route
to Calontir's the Corontation of Calontirs second King and Queen (TRMs
Shadan and Erzebet). Many of us in the Barony of Forgotten Sea (where
they are buried) attended their funeral in garb. The honor guard and
pall bearers were also in garb.
>I know a number of us who have been married in SCA/medieval ceremonies.
A number of couples I know have had their real weddings in garb at
events. Others have had a quiet civil ceremony modernly and then a mock
wedding at an event.
>While there have been some close calls, I don't think anyone has been
>born at an SCA event
>such as Pennsic. To many, it seems the SCA is more than a recreation or
>game.
There was a baby born (to one of the Queens, I think) during TYC. I
think she went to a local hospital for the actual birth, or was it
immediately thereafter? It seems to me she was back on site for the
Grand Court at the end of the week.
Hertha
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 17:19:55 -0500
From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Anglo-Saxon funerary urns
Stefan li Rous wrote:
>I have heard comments from SCA folks of wanting to be buried in
> their best SCA garb or armor but I don't know if has ever been done.
When Count Black Kane O'Shannon of Atlantia and his Countess
were killed in an auto accident returning from an event they were both
buried in their finest costume and their SCA friends attended from
great distances in great numbers. I believe he was also buried with his
sword. They were greatly respected here.
Magnus
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:25:12 -0800
From: "J. Kriss White" <jkrissw at earthling.net>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Anglo-Saxon funerary urns
>Stefan li Rous wrote:
>I have heard comments from SCA folks of wanting to be buried in
> their best SCA garb or armor but I don't know if has ever been done.
When Sir Allesander sur le Mer (not sure of spelling) passed away from
cancer early last year, his funeral service was heavily attended by SCA
friends (myself included). He was buried with his knight's spurs and his
wedding ring, as he'd requested.
Lord Daveed of Granada, mka J. Kriss White,
Barony of Calafia, Kingdom of Caid
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:39:36 +0000
From: "S.B. McDaniel" <fretknot at earthlink.net>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: SCA burials in costume
Lord Stefan wrote:
> I have heard comments from SCA folks of wanting to be buried in
> their best SCA garb or armor but I don't know if has ever been done.
Baron Dale the Small of Atenveldt was buried in his finest SCA clothing,
wearing his coronet, knightly belt and sword in the early 80s. As Dale
was mundanely a retired Marine Corps officer, the burial service
included a marine honor guard.
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 17:19:28 -0700
From: Sheron Buchele/Curtis Rowland <foxryde at verinet.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: SCA burials in costume
At 04:39 PM 1/8/99 +0000, you wrote:
>Lord Stefan wrote:
> I have heard comments from SCA folks of wanting to be buried in
> their best SCA garb or armor but I don't know if has ever been done.
Shortly before I joined, the founding Baron & Baroness, the seneschal, and
one other (I believe the treasurer) of the Barony of Cour de'Ennui (Des
Moines, Iowa) were killed in a car crash (on the way to Coronation).
I was told that the B&B were buried in SCA garb with his belt, spurs and
their coronets. I don't know about the others.
On a lighter note, I can see wanting that. I have paid *way* more for garb
than I ever did for modern dress. Definitely more spiffy, anyway.
Drive safely and so that we can keep these stories to a minimum.
Baroness Leonora
Master Healer to the Crown of the Outlands
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:59:30 -0600
From: froggestow at juno.com (Roberta R Comstock)
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: SCA burials in costume
On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 17:19:28 -0700 Sheron Buchele/Curtis Rowland
<foxryde at verinet.com> writes:
>Shortly before I joined, the founding Baron & Baroness, the seneschal,
>and one other (I believe the treasurer) of the Barony of Cour de'Ennui
>(Des Moines, Iowa) were killed in a car crash (on the way to Coronation).
>
>I was told that the B&B were buried in SCA garb with his belt, spurs
>and their coronets.
Yes, that was William & Rosamund Coeur de Boeuf. I attended their joint
funeral (discussed in earlier post).
> I don't know about the others.
The others were Elizabeth Hightower and Elizabeth of Greystoke(?). I
don't know about their funerals, but one of them had a husband who
objected strongly to her SCA activity.
Hertha
ps - There were heartfelt toasts to Sir William Coeur de Bouef at Bns.
Elina's wake last month and at the Hotel Forgotten Sea (a household) New
Year's Party.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:39:04 EST
From: <LadyEirinn at aol.com>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: SCA burials in costume
Yes, it has been done here in Artemisia, as well. My friend and Seneschal
Lady Katerina de Clisson was buried just a few months ago in her best garb,
and the whole shire turned out in garb, and King Alan Youngforest gave the
eulogy. It was one of the most beautiful and touching ceremonies I have
ever attended. There was a piper at the graveside, as well.
Lady Eirinn O'Riordain, Shire of Gryphon's Lair, Kingdom of Artemisia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:33:44 -0700
From: Hillary Anne Ryan <catluvr at uswest.net>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: SCA burials in costume
It has been done here in Atenveldt as well. Mistress Blanche, a Laurel, was
buried in one of her favorite Elizabethans. And Lady Chrisjahn og Samsoe
was buried in her finest court garb.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:08:32 -0700
From: "J. A. Smith" <jasmith at caverns.com>
To: <sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu>
Subject: Re: SCA burials in costume
When we lost Baron William de Vallier, his family (who didn't do the SCA)
not only invited all of his SCA friends, had a table set up next to his
coffin displaying his squire's belt, banner, crown and some of his personal
armor and costumes. They welcomed us as part of his family. The Pastor of
the church explained each step of the services as he went along so that we
felt as if we were part of the services. But one of the best things that
happened was at the graveside one of our members who was very close to
William pulled out a pocket flask and we all took turns toasting William.
When the police officer who was still there saw what we were doing he took
off his hat and turned his back to us till we were done. We felt that was a
neat thing for him to do. We also named one of our sites Cour de Vallier
(the heart of Vallier). after him.
Subject: ANST - Re: WR - XXth Event
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:41:25 MST
From: debbie andrews <galiena at juno.com>
To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG
I am not sure who received what awards, the Stepping Down and Stepping Up
were both beautiful, and emotional.
My most cherished memory?
After it was announced that a family from North Keep had lost everything
in a house fire, and we were passing the hat to help out, I started
gathering monies from the people in the group I was in. After taking it
to the table I noticed HL Eleanor (who had been asked to take money as it
came in) was sitting at the table crying. The mass of people trying to
give her their money was overwhelming. I was able to make it over to her
and begin to help. Ansteorrans were giving from the heart; there are two
things that stand out. One was when the young man who had lost all sat
down at the table while we were counting. He laid his head in his hands
and stammered that he could not believe that strangers were helping his
family like this. I looked at him and told him that he knew no strangers
in Ansteorra, only family. We as a family gathered over $3000. not
counting items donated! The other was when a Kind Gentle came to the
table and emptied out his pouch and told us that he had enough money to
get him home, that was all he needed, he gave the rest. These are the
memories that I will carry in my heart. Not the fighting, the A&S, the
beautiful clothing, the wonderful feast, or the rain. Tho all of it was
terrific and worth remembering (okay, except the rain). I will remember
how we as Ansteorrans pulled together and helped out our brothers and
sisters in need.
I Remain in Service to this WONDERFUL Kingdom
HL Galiena Gruenstien
Kingdom Hospitaler
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:47:09 MST
From: "Lady Simone" <margiejr at sprintmail.com>
Subject: ANST - RE: ES - Heal Thyself first
To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
>>>
Baroness Xene here,
It is my belief that the discussion of declining memberships and pay-to-play are just a symptom of a greater problem within the Society for Creative Anachronism. Like any group, we are bound to have some internal strife and factionalism, but it has become the mainstay and topic of discussion in most of the groups throughout the Known World.
<<<
Very well written Xene,
I am compelled to add my insights, as being and old-timer in this Game. That is what this is a Game. one in which I have been involved with since I was 10. One that has been as instrumental in saving my life as AA and NA have been and are today. many of you in this kingdom do not know the type of person I was when I entered the Society. I want to share with you a view of the society from my past and how it has effected my life. in the story bellow "you" incases all those in the society that were there at the time
It was the summer of 1979 I was 10 years old. in the grip of Alcoholism and Drug addiction. I had no care or concern for my self let alone others. I was a thug, liar, cheat and a thief. I had not respect for my parents let alone authority or myself. Though I was a retch you reached out. you thought me the meaning of Honor and trust, and as I grew to understand the values held and started to practice them in the safety of The society I came to believe them and practice them in my daily life. The change was gradual, and through it you encouraged and supported me. you helped me become ready for the help I was to receive mundanely 5 years after I joined the society. I went into Drug and Alcohol rehab. you were there with letters and support. At a time in my life when I had no family to turn to because of my actions while drinking and using drugs. you Nurtured and led me as parents. When I went to my Half-way house you encouraged my Sobriety and the changes I had to make to learn how to live sober and Clean. You visited and held demos at the halfway house helping and encouraging the lives of not only myself but other teenagers with my problem. There was love tolerance and concern by you. You were there in the worst of my life and helped nurture me through the storm to the other side. you have been there every year when I receive my Sobriety Birthday Chips, you've continued to encourage me to grow. Today I have been clean and sober a little over 15 years. I owe you a debit I can never fully repay. Because with AA; NA; and you in the SCA I have a new life today. I was saved from hell of addiction and have found freedom. I become saddened when I see internal contrivers and strife tearing at the fabric of you who mean so much to me and my life.----end of story
I have seen our Society grow and change. I have seen this kingdom Grow and Change. Sometimes the change has been good. sometimes the change has been not so good. yet in recent years I have watched the dream decay and it saddens my heart. I have seen a group I love being torn apart by internal strife, petty politics, personal ego's and selfish agendas and ambitions. by people in all ranks more willing to Pass the blame, and not take on responsibility for themselves. By the spreading of Gossip and Unfounded roomers. by individuals more concerned with what they can Get or Achieve, than by what they can give or teach. By individuals that hold onto resentment of the past, not willing to forgive or acknowledge situations change.
It has not always been like this, and I can not pen point exactly when the problem started. And truthful that is not at this time important. what is important is that we acknowledge that there is a problem, and instead of continually complaining about the problem or trying to sweep it under the table. WE start working looking at and working on a solution. We stop looking at blame and start concentration of what we can do to fix the problem as a whole. We are a society of loving and caring individuals. People with Strengths and weaknesses. From the lowest to the highest, from Popper to crown, yet we are still people with human frailties and strengths. were going to make mistakes. we are going to have differences of Opinion. we are going to occasionally hurt each others feelings. we are human.
We Need to look at ourselves. at our own Part as individuals. then we need to look at our own part as part of Households, groups guilds and circles in our society. then look at our own part in relation to our kingdom. Have we been holding onto resentments. Has fear caused inaction or us to be overly-cautious. Have we been expecting to much from the people around us, from our Peers, Nobles, Lions and Crown. Have we ignored inappropriate conduct and enabled it to continue because of a persons Rank, title or reputation. Have we continued to spread roomers. have we reached our goals by scarifying the dream for others. Were have we been selfish and self centered. Do we strive for awards and title for the power it is to give us, or because we are willing to accept the responsibility and service that comes with it. We need to look at were we have been intolerant of others. we need to look at ourselves honestly, and take responsibility were we were wrong. Then without pointing fingers we need to repair were we have caused damage to others and the society.
We need to deal honestly with each other. Tell each other how we feel and why. We need to work together to better our kingdom and society in unity. Not striving for positions or recognition for the power you may gain. stop looking at the peerage , noble and crowns in a selfish light of OOOHHH look at what power I can have from getting this. and recognize them for what they are positions of service with responsibilities to the society and Kingdom. Look at how you can help and support them in there positions of leadership and service. Allow them the room to be human and make mistakes.
We are here to Have fun, the society is something to dear to all of us. let us work to make it better not let it decay
Lady Simone Maurian Ui'Dunlainghe
Subject: Re: ANST - thoughts on what is the sca all about ...
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 22:08:41 -0500
From: Lee Lemons <lalemons at flash.net>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
DonnelShaw at aol.com wrote:
>>>
We all go through stages of playing the game. There are times in our lives
when we play hard and are at everything. Then there are times we just play.
And there are times we do a little of both.
<<<
Well said Donnel!
And there are times the SCA is about the big, fully-armored fighter kneeling
in front of a child water-bearer getting some water, and the awed look on the
child's face as he walks off after hugging the child for the water.
Sometimes the SCA is about someone being so sick she has to leave site to
get home (2 or so hours away) for her medicine, basically leaving all her
camping gear for whoever wanted it, only to
find out later that, unasked, gentles had packed it all up in order to
bring it back to her. By the way, that one huge act of kindness influenced
her to not leave the SCA.
And sometimes the SCA is biting your tongue to not say something you'd
really like to say but know it would only make matters worse, not knowing
all sides of the story, but feeling strongly about what you do know, anyway.
Finally, sometimes the SCA is just a huge family, with all the good and bad
thereof. Any of the above mentioned people could have been "hobbyists" or
"immersionists" or whatever else can be
dreamed up to label each type of person who decides to join the SCA, but the
SCA is open to all, and while diversity can bring change and / or problems,
it can also enrich.
And I'm not sure I'd want it any other way.
Curstaidh
From: Bob Dewart <gilli at hot.rr.com>
Date: July 15, 2004 5:06:00 PM CDT
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] My SCA Family in times of need
Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
Recently, an e-mail was posted entitled 'A Plea for Help', forwarded to
the Ansteorran lists on behalf of Mistress Shanahan the Fey, of Stargate. Shanahan, a founding member of Ansteorra, and Stargate, and has found herself in physical and financial difficulty at this time of her life.
She is about to lose her house, after being out of work for a time.
<snip>
<<<
I didn't get to go to this years anniversary. But I did make it to the last one.
We were having feast when they announced that someones house had burned down
while they were at the event. Almost before the announcement was finished,
people were standing and going to stand in a line to make donations. It
brought tears to your eyes.
I guess it's time to stand and get in line again.
Money will be on the way tomorrow.
Gilli
From: Elizabeth Blackthorne <damsle_n_distress2003 at yahoo.com>
Date: July 15, 2004 2:14:10 PM CDT
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Ansteorra] My SCA Family in times of need
Greeting unto the Kingdom of Ansteorra,
When I saw this plea for help my thoughts went to a time when I too was in need and my Ansteorran family helped me. It was at Patrick and Julia's (I think that's right) coronation. I had attended mainly to be of support to Aaron and Britta as they stepped down and also this was to be my first Coronation. My friend and I had decided to camp because our funds would not be able to bear the motel expense and the trim merchant. When we arrived Friday night we had gotten lost and it was late so in major disarray our tent went up and our belongings were scattered. We awoke the next morning and decided to deal with it later because we wanted to see the King's Champion tournament, and everything else going on so we dressed and set out to enjoy. After Aaron and Britta stepped down there was an intermission of sorts before the stepping up court. I was socializing with those I knew when I heard my mundane name heralded. I was needed by the Sheriff's department. It is scary to be told a
mundane police officer from another town needs to speak with you, I knew it must be important for them to track me down there.
It was a message for me to call home, there was a family emergency. Some young man I didn't even know allowed me the use of his cell phone, and sat patiently while I used his minutes blubbering and crying because I received the news of my grandfather's passing. After that I found someone to herald in the hall for my friend because I could not locate her. Another person I didn't know taking time for me in my time of need. Once she was located we went out and found the auto-crat, so we could give our feast tickets as a prize or whatever because we had to go. We had our money refunded, which we did not expect. Then this person rounded up people to help us tear down and pack up. I'm not sure how many came but in 20 min we were totally packed up and it was neater than we ourselves had done before in hours.
We were not even allowed to help because as it
was put to us my job was to grieve and her job was to comfort me. I have wanted to say thank you to all of these people since that day, but I wanted it to be more than just mere words. Due to not knowing most of my SCA helpers that day, it seemed impossible to do this, until now. I was told once that when someone does something for you and you cannot repay them, do something for someone else. I will be sending funds to Shanahan the Fey in repayment for the kind deeds of my SCA family. I encourage all others who have been helped by those in this Society to repay these kind deeds the same way as I am sure Shanahan will do when it is her turn. I do not know this lady and that is why it seems so fitting for me to help her because I did not know most of my helpers that day either.
Lady Elizabeth Blackthorne
Shire of Crossrode Keep
<the end>