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Histories of the Kingdom of Trimaris.


NOTE: See also the files: SCA-hist1-msg, placenames-msg, Meridies-hist-msg, you-know-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, border-stories-msg, SCA-fence-hist-msg.





This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.


This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org


I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter.


The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors.


Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s).


Thank you,

   Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

                                         Stefan at florilegium.org



From Eric.Smith-1 at kmail.ksc.nasa.gov Tue Jun 13 18:06:20 CDT 1995

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: animals/pets

From: Eric.Smith-1 at kmail.ksc.nasa.gov (Eric C. Smith)

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 15:48:32 -0400

Organization: NASA/KSC, DL-ICD-C


hendricp at norand.com (Peter Hendrickson) wrote:

> For the sake of my own curiosity i am taking an informal

> poll concerning animals/pets at SCA CAMPING events.


> your comments are greatly appreciated.


>                                         GUTHORM SCYLDING

>                                        (Peter Hendrickson)

>                                         hendricp at norand.com

> P.S. I do bring my animals (dogs & children) to all camping events

>      in wich I participate.


In Trimaris, we have no camping sites which allow pets.  A few years back,

Kingdom Law was changed to specifically ban pets from all events, but that

law only lasted for the duration of that reign.  I would love to take my

dog (the cutest little sheltie you'll ever see!) to events, but alas, they

wont let me.




Eric C. Smith                  Maredudd Cymysglyd ap Cynan

NASA/DL-ICD-C                  Kingdom of Trimaris

KSC, FL 32899                 Shire Starhaven

Eric.Smith-1 at ksc.nasa.gov      maredudd at caer_bondu.surf.tach.net    



Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:01:08 -0600

From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Highnesses, Lownesses, and Period Cooking.


At 1:59 AM -0500 3/1/00, Jehanne Argentee wrote:

>Lance is more confrontational than I, and more likely to ruffle feathers. I

>know the idea of him challenging someone over how they talk about the

>Princess seems outragous to some people... but in Trimaris it has been

>known for a fighter to call another out during a feast, the two go out,

>armor up, and fight... then come back to the feast so that the challenged

>fighter could apologize to the ladies at the table for having used

>profanity in front of them.


Challenging doesn't seem outrageous to me. The last time I can

remember issuing a serious challenge, as it happens, it was over the

territory that is now Trimaris. I challenged the Board of Directors

for having transferred the territory from the East Kingdom to

Meridies without having consulted (indeed, without having even

notified) the crown of the East.






From: "Jay and Diane Rudin" <rudin at ev1.net>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Trimaran Crown List Cancelled

Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:28:06 -0500


Daniel wrote:

> If any Trimarian muckety-muck happens to be reading this ... OK, I'll

> Google Trimaris's Web page and CC the kingdom seneschal ... you might

> want to keep in mind Corpora IV.A.1:

>     Royal Lists must be conducted at a tournament announced in the

>     kingdom newsletter as being for that purpose.


This is not the first time that Trimaris has had to deal with this.


Trimaris's original Coronation was rescheduled at the last minute due to

Hurricane Elena.  The Principality of Trimaris became a kingdom in someone's

living room, while the Hurricane sat just off shore near Tampa all weekend

long. No event flier was sent, but the kingdom has always been considered a

legal kingdom.


(They re-scheduled all the panoply for a few months later, but the date of

becoming a kingdom is still that Saturday, Labor Day weekend, 1985).


Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin

Department of obscure historical details



From: Bill Ernoehazy <dedoc at mac.com>

Date: May 18, 2009 4:32:20 PM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com, crown at trimaris.org

Cc: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com, Trimaris Rapier <Trimarian_rapier at yahoogroups.com>, CWST <CWST at yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [tri-temp] Epees In Trimaris


Gentle Cousins:

After careful consideration of the state of the art in SCA rapier combat,
and the weapons forms used at Gulf Wars,
I am in receipt of guidance from my Crown.


Thus: As of Saturday May 23, AS 44 /AD 2009, epees will no longer be used in the Kingdom of Trimaris in rapier combat. Revisions to the written rules are being prepared at this writing, and will be posted as soon as signed off upon.


Please feel free to direct questions or concerns to me, at my email.


I remain, 
in service,

Baron Giovanni di Fiamma, OWST

Kingdom Rapier Marshal for Trimaris



From: Elaine Manyoki <emanyoki at yahoo.com>

Date: August 13, 2010 2:04:47 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] tornation?



Could someone(s) tell me the general story of Tornation? 
And what were you doing during it?


Tamara >>>


Wow.. lots of memories...Gaston and Judith were having Coronation, if I remember 
correctly,...and as we watched across the lake at Wewa, we saw the storm, and 
then the tornado, coming at us. (One of the hazards of Florida...no mountains to 
stop the things...)


The new King quickly sent everyone off to their camps, and 
in the Dragonstar camp, (my household), we literally stood at the four corners 
of our pavilion and held on for all we were worth. We lost two of our 
household's tents, and flooded two more...those of us that stayed ended up 
bunking with Don Khalid and Dona Jeanne for the night...the storm itself was 
scary stuff...


J'anos went out on the damage patrol afterwards to try to help, 
and the rest of our household tried to put stuff back together. I understand 
there were a number of vehicles damaged from tree limbs and whole trees coming 
down on them, and some minor injuries...there were reporters at the gates when 
we were going out, trying to find out how everyone was doing....the Chiurgeons 
and Constables were to be commended, they kept everything running smoothly until 
we all got off-site...





From: Scott Christianson <honorbyfaith at gmail.com>

Date: August 13, 2010 12:10:46 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Trimaris motto


<<< Does Trimaris have a motto? What is it and what does it mean?


Tamara >>>



*By Mistress Warjna, O.L.*


There's a fair land in the south land

bounden by blue waters three

'Tis my own land 'tis my homeland

The place where I would be

Where the mist lies in the sunrise

On a stormy tropic sea

'Tis the land of Trimaris

That reaches out to me


See her banners fly unfettered

As the gull flies from the shore

See the shaft's flight in the sunlight

As archers make their score

Hear the swords clash see the light flash

Like a bolt from heaven's door

Hear the drums roar like thunder

When Trimaris goes to war


See her folk stand on their own land

They are strong and they are free

See the sun rise into blue skies

Like a jewel from the sea

On the warm sands of my home land

Feel her salt wind blowing free


For the land of Trimaris

I pledge myself to thee

For the folk of Trimaris

I pledge myself to thee


A song pipes in the air of Trimaris.

"All children big or small come follow me learn have fun and play games...."


--Vivat Trimaris


Softly Spoken,

Kingdom Minister of Children, Trimaris

Sergent of Infantry in the Triskele Legion

Yours Alexander de Valiant a Scott



From: Elaine Manyoki <emanyoki at yahoo.com>

Date: August 13, 2010 1:53:35 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Trimaris motto


<<< The motto is: Ex Subter Mort
And the translation if I remember correctly is death from below.


Daimhin >>>


Yes, that is correct, as far as I am aware. I believe it has something to do 
with Trimarians being called the Swamp Lords at Pennsic, because we come "up" to 
PA to deal the rest of the kingdoms a mortal blow...hence, death from "below"...





From: "Steve" <aesop_2000 at yahoo.com>

Date: August 13, 2010 10:53:39 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Trimaris motto


<<< Yes, that is correct, as far as I am aware. I believe it has something to do with Trimarians being called the Swamp Lords at Pennsic, because we come "up" to 
PA to deal the rest of the kingdoms a mortal blow...hence, death from "below"...


Katya >>>


Sort of... It isn't so much that we come "up" to Pennsic, as it is that we crawl up from out of the swamps... It is a play on the Airborne motto "Death From Above".





From: Vicky Eisenstadt <alysounJ at gmail.com>

Date: August 13, 2010 2:22:02 PM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Trimaris motto


<<< Does anyone know why this was chosen? Where there other mottos in

contention to be the office motto?



PS: I'm working on the Trimaris History Scrapbook. >>>


It had to do with Trimarian warriors at Pennsic, UnImpressed with what

passed for "hot and humid" up North, I believe, but also Turold's comment

about us "coming up from the swamps" is no doubt the far more accurate story

:) The original T-shirt featured a hand coming out of swamp, with dead green

things hanging from the knife clutched in the hand.


There wasn't really a contest or anything, it just kinda...happened.





From: "Rurik" <rurikps at cox.net>

Date: August 13, 2010 3:23:05 PM CDT

To: <trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Trimaris motto


Yes, there is. I wrote it. It's in my songbook, which can be found in the 
files section of this group.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Thornton" <wulflinde at bellsouth.net>
 <<< There is actually a whole song filked with the motto
.  I will try to find it, I had it at one point, back in 1988
.  I even had a t-shirt with a hand holding a dagger coming up out of the  muck
 and mud with the motto on it.


The song was filked to One Tin Soldier
.  Listen children to a story that was written long ago
, 'bout a kingdom and the swampland and the three seas down below
. From the swampland (forgotten lyrics here)


Chorus and it ends with 'Death from Below' instead of Rides Away

Damn...... Gotta find it now....


Wulfie >>>



From: "Rurik" <rurikps at cox.net>

Date: August 13, 2010 3:29:37 PM CDT

To: <trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Death from Below filk (was Re: [tri-temp] Trimaris motto)


Not sure how this is going to come through...


Death from Below

copyright Steven G. Harrett

aka: Rurik Petrovitch Stoianov 1987

(to the tune of "One Tin Soldier")


D A Bm

Listen fighters to a ballad that was written long ago,

G D Em 

'bout a Kingdom and it's swamplands, and the fighters there below

D A Bm

The king had made a proclamation, "Trimarians would go to war!"

G D Em A7 D

So we polished up our armor and prepared to travel far.



D Gm G 

Go ahead and bring your armies, go ahead and bring your friends.

D Gm G 

Do it to preserve your Kingdom, it just won't matter in the end.

D Gm G 

Trimaris has come to war, to conquer and defeat their foe,

D G (tacit) 

And when the war is over ... You'll have felt .. "Death from Below!



Atlantia had made a challenge, "Come and fight us if you dare!"

"We are here prepared for battle, come to us, see how you fare!"

So, Trimaris left for battle. We traveled far to Northern shores.

The Tu-Chux came to help defeat them, to fight the war to end all wars!




The battlefield came up before us, we sailed upon Atlantian shores.

We left our ships prepared to conquer, to accomplish what we came there for.

Atlantia was there to meet us, our first battle was won with ease,

So we prepared for our next conquest, the battlefield we quickly seized!




The Champions of these two great kingdoms faced each other, prepared to die.

Atlantians had overcome them, our Champions in death did lie.

The next two battles we fought too fiercely, Atlantia could do no more,

And when the dust had fin'ly settled ... Trimarians .. Had won the war!



They went ahead and brought their armies, they went ahead and brought their 

They did it to preserve their Kingdom, it didn't matter in the end!

Trimaris had gone to war, to conquer and defeat their foe,

And when the war was over ... they had felt .. "Death from Below!"



From: "cylinamrek" <cylinamrek at yahoo.com>

Date: August 14, 2010 8:05:19 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: [tri-temp] More on Swamp Lords


Actually there is another Swamp Lords filk dating back to my early years in Trimaris, before we were Kingdom (thinking it might even be from before we became a Principality).


The filk was written by a member of Sea March, Lord Edward Worthington-Smythe (called Hyphen) and it was called the Swamp Lords of Trimaris. Digging through my papers, I actually found a copy and here it is.


Swamp Lords of Trimaris

(Tune of Witchita Lineman)


I am a swamp lord of Trimaris

I fight in waist deep mud

All my armor's made of leather

'Cause the iron turned to rust

With my gator mount beside me

My snorkel and diving mask

I ask is there anything more for a man to ask?

I am a swamp lord of Trimaris

My castle lies deep in the bogs

If you feel something nibble at your toes

Don't worry, it's our pet frogs

And though we lost our baron in the quicksand

And gators ate our two best knights

We've been making pink armor

Teaching flamingos how to fight.

I am a swamp lord of Trimaris

I rule a marshy domain

Although it rains almost every hour

I really can't complain

'Cause when an army comes to plunder

We just wait for high tide

And laugh as their banners

And knights sink from sight!


I'll keep digging and see what other old gems from our early years I can find.



From: Aspasia <aspasia1490 at yahoo.com>

Date: August 15, 2010 3:51:43 PM CDT

To: Trimaris Temp <trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [tri-temp] 1st Coronation


I went with Wulfie (Wolfhilda de Bond). When we got to the site in the Tampa Bay area we were met at the gate with a "go away."


It was undetermined if there was going to be a Coronation or not. As I had attended Ljudmilla, our first Queen, Wulfie and I went to a hotel. They kept calling our room with updates. They were in touch with the BOD to get permission for it to be legal. I put on my garb, Wulfie put on her armour, we paraded around the hotel. Then we went back to our room and played UNO until we got "the call." 
The Coronation happened quickly, so we weren't there, they had to beat Eleana if she came ashore.


Baroness Margarite can tell you more. 
This is also why Baldar was dubbed "Storm King of Trimaris." The first few reigns you could expect a storm of some sort at his Coronation.


Maitresse Aspasia Moonwind

Honor Before Honors



From: Vicky Eisenstadt <alysounJ at gmail.com>

Date: August 16, 2010 5:04:45 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] 1st Coronation


<<< Thank you, although it took me a while to figure out what you were speaking
 of, not being a Trimarian. Lol.  I finally figured out that "Eleana" must have been a hurricane or tropical
 storm and not a competing royal usurper.

When was this?
  Why were you met at the gate with a "go away"? Was this a dispute or
 mis-communication with the landowner? Or was this due to the potential
 landing of the storm? >>>


Labor Day Weekend, 1985. Hurricane Elena. They were met with a "go
 away" because the original path of the hurricane mandated closing the 


Amusingly enough, Baldar's sister is named Elina. (Duchess 


At 10th Year, the evening's formal festivities opened with
 Baldar standing at one of the hall, facing the crowd (Feast Hall,
WeWa) while Duchess Elina traveled toward him, while moving in a 
counterclockwise fashion. His Grace (actually, I believe he was King
 then too) stated: "Hurricane Season?" Then, Elina threw a glass of 
water all over her brother, stated, "KING season!" and traveled
 counterclockwise away.....





From: "Rurik" <rurikps at cox.net>

Date: August 16, 2010 2:09:50 PM CDT

To: <trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] 1st Coronation


I was onsite early for that one. I was already set up (tenting) with Natasha 
and Serina (my first wife) when we got the word to evacuate. The ladies went 
and packed up our stuff while I went and worked the parking lot directing 
traffic and heading off the inbound traffic. It was probably me that told 
you to go away ...lol :)


I was one of the last ones off site, and stayed with a friend who lived 
outside the evacuation zone. We spent the weekend there and got word that 
they held the Coronation in Master Ragnar's back yard and that they would be 
recreating it at Village Faire in October, which they did.


Some of our people ended up in evacuation shelters, and naturally, ended up 
serving there, helping out, and even taking over some organization 
needs....because they were better at it than the trained volunteers.


Go figure. :)





From: Aspasia <aspasia1490 at yahoo.com>

Date: August 17, 2010 2:32:18 PM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] 1st Coronation


<<< I was one of the last ones off site, and stayed with a friend who lived 
outside the evacuation zone. We spent the weekend there and got word that 
they held the Coronation in Master Ragnar's back yard...>>>


Nope, in his living room. I think Margarite may have pictures. There were just the main officers and a few others.


Yes, I think it was you who sent us away. I DO have some pictures from the shelters. I'll see about getting them to Tamara.


Maitresse Aspasia Moonwind

Honor Before Honors



From: Vicky Eisenstadt <alysounJ at gmail.com>

Date: August 18, 2010 12:17:39 PM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Simple question


On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:08 PM, logan <logan at ebonwoulfe.com> wrote:

<<< I would like to add another question (being new to the kingdom and all).

why are so few sites used in trimaris? at least it seems like that to me

especially when i see someone promoting an event and the only mention of the

site is something like "at ocala" or "at the mooselodge". coming from a

slightly (not by much) larger kingdom with 3 to 5 events every weekend and

most of them i would have to look at the flier to get the physical address

of the site this is a very different environment.


logan >>>


Trimaris has had some challenges with event sites...mostly due to either

getting priced out of them or outgrowing them - sometimes both.


When we were smaller, it was easier to find sites that could accomodate a

whole 300 people for TMT.  By say 1994, our "main" sites - WeWa and Winona,

(were we still using Keystone then?)were getting far too small for the

600-700 that showed up for the large kingdom events.  I was the land steward

for 10th year (WeWa, September 1995) and it was a mega-leval Tetris game

finding room for all 1500 people.


Today, the non-kingdom events are spread out over a variety of sites

(Brandon Rotary, Norsehorse, Winona, North Florida Christian, etc.) because

they draw far less people and, therefore, give the staff far more



As far as price goes, when a site doubles it's "in the door" fee, or adds a

ridiculous new charge (the cabin charge instituted by WeWa for example); it

prices the site out of Trimaris' pay grade.


This is not a new problem - has been going on since the days we outgrew

Corbett for kingdom events.





From: "Sara Glaze" <sorcha at cfl.rr.com>

Date: August 18, 2010 5:37:30 PM CDT

To: <trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Re: [castlemere] Simple question


<<< Many of the early SCA kingdoms were concentrated in a single city. I believe Chicago in the Middle, New York City in the East, Phoenix in Atenveldt. This changed a bit as the SCA grew and diffused into other areas from different directions. There was also an SCA tradition that didn't last real long, that the first group established in a state was automatically a barony. Hence the Barony of Stargate (Houston, TX), which would not have qualified as a barony today, went immediately to Barony status because it was the first group officially formed in the state of Texas, even though for some time it wasn't bigger than the groups in Dallas and Austin.


Stefan >>>


That would be wyvernwood....who came in when Trimaris was still Meridian ....used to be the running joke when I lived in Sangre....you could be on either coast and be in Wyvernwood because it was the only SCA thing in Florida at the time.





From: Elizabeth Bair <countessdulcia at gmail.com>

Subject: [tri-temp] History of Martinmas

Date: October 5, 2010 10:47:47 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com


It's come up a couple times recently that some newer members of our

fair Kingdom are confused about the name of Trimaris' Fall Crown Lyste

event - Martinmas Moot. The event is NOT named after Duke Martin and

isn't related to him in any way. So? What *is* Martinmas Moot?


Well, first off - a "moot" in Anglo-Saxon England was an assembly,

mainly of the shire, where local legal and amdinistrative issues were

dealt with.


Martinmas is actually a contraction of "Martin", meaning St. Martin of

Tours, and "Mass", which refers to the Catholic celebration of the

Eucharist. When combined in this way, the term specifically means the

day on which the Mass celebrating a specific saint is performed, thus

the day itself takes on the saint's name. In the Catholic Calendar,

nearly every day of the year has a designated saint or Holy person who

is commemorated. More important saints, especially those whose Mass

falls on or near days that were important for other reasons

(solstices, ancient holidays, etc) became associated with larger

festivals and celebrations than simply a mass or service in their

name. Medieval people didn't have desk or wall calendars, but they

knew when the various Saints Days fell, thanks to the Church. Often

you'll find in medieval documents the date is given as "X days before

Martinmas" of "X weeks after Easter" or "X days after Michaelmas" in

addition to, or even instead of, a calendar date.


St. Martin of Tours was born around A.D. 316 in Szombathely, Hungary

and grew up the son of a Roman military officer in Pavia, Italy. He

joined the Roman army and was sent to Amiens, where, on horseback, he

met a starving man begging alms at the city gates. Moved by deep

compassion, he tore his red, woolen his cloak in two with his sword

and gave half to the beggar. The next night, he had a dream in which

he saw Jesus wearing the half of the cloak he'd given away, surrounded

by angels. In the dream, Jesus asked him to look at it and to see if

he recognized it. He did, of course, and realized that he must convert

and devote his life to Christ. St. Martin's remaining piece of cloak

became a very revered relic. In fact, the building where his cloak

("cappa" in Latin) was preserved was known as the "cappella," -- the

root of our words "chapel" and "chaplain.")


There’s a lot of information available about his life and deeds – look

it up if you are interested.


St. Martin is the patron saint of beggars, vintners, equestrians,

soldiers, tailors, innkeepers, alcoholics, and geese. He is usually

depicted on horseback, handing half of his cloak to a beggar, or

relinquishing his arms. His symbol is the goose.


St. Martin's Feast is considered the first day of Winter (and the last

day of Autumn) for practical purposes, so, alluding to the snows of

that season, the Germans say that "St Martin comes riding on a white

horse." Of course, it might not feel like Winter if one is

experiencing a "St. Martin's Summer" -- the equivalent of an "Indian

Summer." It is said, too, that one can predict what sort of Winter one

will have by the conditions of St. Martin's Day: "If the geese at

Martin’s Day stand on ice, they will walk in mud at Christmas."


The Feast coincides with harvest time, the time when newly-produced

wine is ready for drinking, and the end of winter preparations,

including the butchering of animals. An old English saying is "His

Martinmas will come as it does to every hog," means "he will get his

comeuppance" or "everyone must die". Because of this, St. Martin's

Feast is much like the American Thanksgiving -- a celebration of the

earth's bounty. From the late 4th century to the late Middle Ages,

most of Western Europe, including England, engaged in a period of

fasting beginning on the day after St. Martin's Day/Martinmas. This

fast period lasted 40 days, and was, therefore, called "Quadragesima

Sancti Martini", which means in Latin "the forty days of St. Martin."

At St. Martin's eve, people ate and drank very heartily for a last

time before they started to fast. This period of fasting was later

shortened and called "Advent" by the Church.


In many countries, including Germany, Martinmas celebrations begin at

the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of this eleventh day of the

eleventh month. Bonfires were built, and children would carry lanterns

in the streets after dark, singing songs for which they are rewarded

with candy. This is may be where the American tradition of

Trick-or-Treat originated, as that is not a part of most European

Halloween celebrations.


And on a macabre final note, old superstitious folklore (not Catholic

teaching, of course!) says that if you stand in the back of the church

and look out over the congregants on St. Martin's Day, you can see

auras of light around the heads of those who will not be among the

living at the next Martinmas.


There are lots of other traditions surrounding Martinmas, or St.

Martin's Day, from all around the world. More modernly, November 11th

is also known as Veterans Day (in the US) or Armistice Day (also

Remembrance Day or Poppy Day). It commemorates the the sacrifices of

members of the armed services and of civilians in times of war,

specifically WWI. The major hostilities of World War I were formally

ended on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month of 1918 with

the German signing of the Armistice. The poppy symbol is a result of

Canadian military physician John McCrae's poem "In Flanders Fields"

which refers to the profusion of red poppies that grow in the

battlefields and cemetaries where war casualties are buried.


So that's the medieval history lesson regarding Martinmas Moot.

Mistress Alysoun has the Trimarian history lesson regarding the event

itself. =)





From: Vicky Eisenstadt <alysounJ at gmail.com>

Subject: [tri-temp] A Very Brief and No Doubt Incomplete History of Martinmas Moot

Date: October 5, 2010 10:54:36 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com


Martinmas Moot is one of the most venerable events in Trimarian

History, dating back to 1977, when it was called the Trimaris

Fighters' Forum.


The next year, it was called Martinmas Moot and the winners were named

Warlord and Warlady of Trimaris.


Later, of course, it became Trimaris' Coronet List and then, when we

successfully threw off the chains of our Foreign Oppressors (JK

Meridians, loveyoumeanit), Crown Lyst.


This upcoming Martinmas Moot will be the 32nd Tourney to bear that

name and (at least) the 33rd time that Major Fighting will have

occured in Trimaris on that date. I love Moot...





From: cat herder <cat_herder at comcast.net>

Subject:      thanks   Re: [tri-temp] A Very Brief and No Doubt Incomplete History of Martinmas Moot

Date: October 8, 2010 10:38:08 AM CDT

To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com


>>> PS: For extra credit, what was Trimaris called before it was called "Trimaris"? (answer by Master Tally)


<< It was called "the Land of Flowers".


Tamara >>


< They thought we were all pansies?  >


"la Florida" is Spanish for "Land of Flowers".

Florida was named by Ponce de Leon in 1512, "la Florida."






From: Vicky Eisenstadt <alysounj at gmail.com>

Date: January 5, 2011 9:17:05 AM CST

To: the-triskele-tavern at googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: {TheTriskeleTavern} Cabin space at Camp Ocala for 2011


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Anne ‪<orionsdaughter at gmail.com>‬ wrote:

<<< I am quite sure this is old news...but I was out of kingdom for a number of yrs working elsewhere.   When I left we were using the boy scout camp over by deland.


What happened? Is there any chance we go go back.  Sorry to ask about something that might be old, but I have tried, honest I did, to find info and none seems to be able to be ferreted out amoung the 'banter' over there.. thanks bunches for bringing me up to speed.


Aine >>>


LaNoChe also got too expensive, and the physical plant itself tended to cause a drop in attendance.....sugar sand, everything spread out....a hall with acoustics so vile you could not hear what was going on in Court *even* when standing behind the thrones.....platform tents....and few of them....most Trimarians did not weep when we left.




From: Trish Kvamme <ladyoftherose at hotmail.com>

Date: March 21, 2012 6:37:59 PM CDT

To: <the-triskele-tavern at googlegroups.com>

Subject: RE: {TheTriskeleTavern} Trimarian Gate and Land Improvment at Gulf Wars


Last year at Pennsic we all chose to use the canvas ones and the gate because the staff wasn't strong enough to put them up and take them down with the care they deserve.  I hope this year we will be better

prepared, it takes a bunch of strong backs early on site to make that lovely wall happen. We did have the rest of the camp stuff out with permission of the owners, and it was greatly appreciated!



From: pmarkjohnson at gmail.com

Subject: Re: {TheTriskeleTavern} Trimarian Gate and Land Improvment at Gulf Wars

Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:17:20 -0400

To: the-triskele-tavern at googlegroups.com


The Pennsic walls are still there. Yes, they are stored. They do not belong to the kingdom. They are privately owned. Arraignments have not been made to use them.


On Mar 21, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Lord Magnus Thunderson wrote:

<<< I do agree we do host one of the best party’s but a lot of other kingdoms come very close there and we sadly let the walls at both Pennsic and gulf war’s fall. And while I understand why we gave up on the Pennsic walls as they cannot be permanent at Pennsic and its expensive to store and we already have a lot of work putting up and tearing down the kitchen, showers and the royal tents which was a lot easier when we gave up the walls to cloth.


however at gulf war’s I felt for the last five years we needed to replace our old walls with even better ones but with the economy tanking I did not say anything but now as things are slowly getting better it time to start so I agree it time to start working on new walls so I hope the auction will be very successful  and I be very glad to go up and help as while I cannot bend I can bring up my dewat drill and screw gun and hold post and such

Magnus >>>



From: Trish Kvamme <ladyoftherose at hotmail.com>

Date: May 29, 2012 6:30:14 PM CDT

To: <the-triskele-tavern at googlegroups.com>

Subject: {TheTriskeleTavern} In Appreciation <3


This weekend amoungst the millions of busy moments happening at TMT, several newer members of the SCA asked me about the small white favor with blue writing I wear upon my left shoulder.

Some other members of the Order of the Rose who were with me, told me I should repost the information here, because the only way we all remember or learn our traditions as a Kingdom is to share them.  So I will try and do my best at this ;)

In the very beginnings of the Order of the White Scarf, there were traditions set down that were shared Kingdom to Kingdom, one of which is the little white scarf or honor scarf, which is not membership in the order, but yet is more like a favor or honorific from the Order to someone they deem to have done them special service, defended them, given them great encouragement etc.

I was asked to leave a Peer Circle with her then Majesty Sibilla, and was suprised with this honor by the Order and assembled members of the rapier community beneath the very shade trees where they have sought to perfect their skills and traditions for many years.

In my near 30 years in the SCA I think this was the one time I was dumb struck, had no words, very little breath and wobbly knees.  

This honor was not one I received through my art, nor my hours of labor, nor by the strength of my husband.  It was one that carries no rank and

no presidence, and in fact is not an official SCA award or title.  Although it

is the one I think has touched my heart above all others, and the one I wear with considerable humility.

I wear the favor which says "In Appreciation" in fact I am wearing Baroness Gryfn's, and do my best to report in to her when she is on site that it is still safe and in good repair lol.  

The favor gives me no rights, for in fact as a combatant our beloved rapier

community would most likely wish to put me on the opposite team in order

to confuse them, and trip them with my skirt, get my hair tangled in their

bucklers, all the things I am rather good at as well as being clumby and lost lol!

I do not get to gather with the Order, I don't get a voice in their matters or their pollings.  I do for myself sneak around the back of the hall and greet new members with a hug, but that's just who I am I guess ;)  The scarf is a symbol of the bond between us, one that is special.

I wear this honor as I said with much humility, and much love.  Because it

was only that they saw my love for them and the dream they are working

so hard to achieve that I was honored with this token.    I still cry when I

think about it.

This honor is very rare.  In fact I am sure each of us across the known world who has received such feels humbled and unworthy, as I often do.  But I put it on before any other token, any other medallion, and even before my coronet, because such is it's meaning to me, and because of the

closeness of my heart to that community.

I wear the favour where it was placed by the Order on that day, and

shall carry it with me the rest of my days.

And in truth, I will never, ever, ever, probably feel fully worthy of the

esteem and love I was granted that day.  It has been months, and

I still feel the suprise and shock.

I hope in sharing this I have solved the mystery for anyone who was

curious, and shared with you some of the beauty of the Rapier community.




From: Rachel Cundiff <mistressrachelcundiff at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: {TheTriskeleTavern} Trimaris University question

Date: March 26, 2013 7:13:53 PM CDT

To: the-triskele-tavern at googlegroups.com


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:29 AM, deirdre ui mhaille ‪<duffykathy722 at gmail.com>‬ wrote:

<<< Too new to this kingdom to know the answer to this.... Does the Trimaris University give credits or anything for classes attended at Gulf Wars?  or in Kingdom classes held at events for either students or teachers? >>>


Greetings from your TRU Chancellor !


I was involved with the re-organization of our University when we became a Kingdom in 1985.  Prior to that, of course, we were part of the Royal University of Meridies (RUM).  We narrowly escaped becoming the Royal University of Trimaris, but decided that being TRU was better than being stuck in a RUT... (ha, ha.)


Over the course of a few years, I served as the Bursar (aka Treasurer, as we were an entirely independent unit), and as the Registrar.  Desktop computers were a brand-new thing, and our Chancellor actually owned one !  So, I spent months driving from Orlando to Titusville a couple of times every week, and crashing on their couch, to get all the paper records put on the computer.


The TRU system was originally based upon the Art-Sci Faire categories, and tracked classes, teachers and students.  We offered degrees, but I don't think very many were given out, as the requirements were set very high.  (I received one when I was elevated to the Order of the Laurel in 1991, but I did not think that I had actually fulfilled all the requirements for the degree - I think of it as Honorary.)  Keeping track of all the classes, teachers and students will be MUCH easier now, with laptop computers, databases, windows, email, the internet, etc. !


I am *very* excited to be involved with the TRU again, and hope to bring it back to full functioning.  Since I stepped up as TRU Chancellor in September, I have been talking to people about what they would like to see TRU doing.  Some of these people have come here from out of Kingdom, and have very different experiences than mine.  I have a vision of what I would like to see happen, and I have discussed much of it with our soon-to-be Kingdom Art-Sci officer, Mistress Adelheid (who also has many plans.)  At the very least, I plan to get an interactive database set up online, to serve as a resource for local Art-Sci officers.  I am here, personally, to help you get classes scheduled in your area, for your local event, for Kingdom events, etc.    


However, the Trimaris Royal University is not "mine", it is YOURS.  It is here for YOU.  Please, tell me what you would like the TRU to be, and to do.  Do you want the TRU to offer degrees again ?  If so, do you have any ideas as to how it could work ?  Would you like a "badge" system similar to Boy Scouts / Girl Scouts, with tokens awarded along the way to a degree ?  Would you like to have smaller TRU collegiums more often, around the Kingdom ?  Would you like smaller, specialized workshops on a regular basis ?  If you are from another Kingdom, and like how their system works, describe it to me.


Please, send me your thoughts and ideas !   You can post here on the Tavern, or send me a private message at: MistressRachelCundiff at gmail.com.  


Dum Vivo Servio (While I live, I serve)

Rachel Cundiff, OL



From: Dulcia MacPherson <countessdulcia at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: {TheTriskeleTavern} Trimaris University question

Date: March 26, 2013 10:09:48 AM CDT

To: the-triskele-tavern at googlegroups.com


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:29 AM, deirdre ui mhaille ‪<duffykathy722 at gmail.com>‬ wrote:

<<< Too new to this kingdom to know the answer to this.... Does the Trimaris University give credits or anything for classes attended at Gulf Wars?  or in Kingdom classes held at events for either students or teachers? >>>


In it's current incarnation, TRU does not track classes or give awards/diplomas. Currently it is acting as more of a sponsor for teaching and resource center than a "university".  


Originally there was a strong university program here that did award diplomas at multiple levels, but that was before I moved here in 1995.  By that time a single individual had been Chancellor of TRU for at least a decade (if not more) but there had not been an active TRU event or presence in the kingdom in many many years.  That individual, who was mostly inactive and not doing anything with the university,  was asked repeatedly to turn over the TRU records and materials by successive Kingdom Ministers of Arts & Sciences.  He refused to do so.


When I stepped up as KMOAS I decided that we would simply re-start TRU from the ashes, which we have done.  I would like to see it build up further, but I don't know what Adelheid's plans are for it when she steps up this weekend. I'm not sure that our current Chancellor is the kind of dynamo that it will require to take TRU to the next level.  


So... long answer, but that should explain things.  =)




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