East-hist-msg

East-hist-msg – 11/28/06

Histories of the East Kingdom in the SCA.

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The East never recovers from anything. Each new Great Screaming Control

Issue just moves the others further backward in the baggage train.

-- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika

From: salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Gay Consort.

Date: 28 Jul 94 21:43:53 GMT

Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Kenit McGregor

> Say a gentleman wins the crown tourney (if your local group goes for them)

> and instead of wanting a lady to sit with him as King/Queen, he wishes for a

> male friend to sit with him. (please no joke about King/Queen, grin).

It's been tried. First of all, you have to declare who you're fighting for

_before_ you fight in the Crown or Coronet Tourney. When this occurred during

the reign of Prince Yngvar, here in AEthelmearc, Yngvar publicly told him,

"If it's okay with the BoD, it's okay with me." It was NOT okay with the

BoD. To quote the response, "One biological male, one biological female,

we don't care who fights for who." Which also takes care of your second

question.

- Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr

Habitat : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony

Internet : salley at niktow.cs.canisius.edu

USnail-net : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029

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From: fridrikr at world.std.com (tom irelanddelfs)

Subject: Re: guatemala

Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 12:32:58 GMT

ALBAN at delphi.COM writes:

>Peter G. Rose | Azelin, of Wishford Hall asks:

>>Just out of curiosity, who or what is the Captain-

>>general of Guatamala, and what's he/she/it doing

>>at the bottom of the EOP?

>Well, son, many, many years ago, far away in the

>mists of memory of our forefathers, yea, verily,

>further than the memories of man runneth to the

>contrary....er, ah, well, about 15 years ago, there

>was a MidRealm Crown Tourney. One of the entrants

>(I believe it was Naitan? Nathan? My spelling has

>gone downhill with my memory...) had very recently

>gotten back to the States from an extended tour of

>duty with a certain military group in Guatemala (in

>other words, damned if I can remember which

>group). Crown Tourney, the day he entered, was

>particularly hot and humid, to the point where a lot

>of the fighters were panting, sweating, and

>generally suffering. A couple even had to drop out

>of the tourney from heat prostration (not actually

>"drop", but it did come close...) Our hero, Nathan,

>having survived that type of weather for the

>previous year or two, thought it was wonderful; he

>had no trouble staying in, and in fact enjoyed the

>temps and humidity so much he actually *won*.

>During the course of his princedom, and later his

>kingship, he, ummm, suffered? enjoyed? lots of

>shtick about why he'd won. This is why, to this day,

>the MidRealm claims Guatemala as its own, and

>why there are occasional references to the Road to

>Guatemala. I believe Nathan is also the C-G of

>Guatemala for this reason.

>alban, who thinks there should be a book of sca-

>related stories such as these. we need to get our

>*own* history back. anyone wanna hear why the

>people in the barony of three rivers used to toast,

>at every feast, "to the queen's moustache"?

Oh, Alban, you were told BAD information. In the East, also many years

ago (16? I know I was there!) there lived one Algernon Hartesmond,

seneschal of Concordia, defender of the faith, slayer of the evil James

the Usurper - but that's another story - and, after a bit, Peace Corp

volunteer in, guess where, yep you got it. Anyway, upon his imminent

departure the Crown awarded him the title you have so neatly lifted for

Nathan. It still appears at the end of the EK Precedence March - so

there's a fossilized artifact for you. And you can ask him (Algernon)

himself.

FRIDRIKR

From: steffan at world.std.COM (Steven H Mesnick)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Capt.-Gen. of Guatemala

Date: 31 Jul 1994 23:37:51 -0400

This comes up up regularly. Maybe we need an FAQ on it %^) ....

Azelin asks what the Captaincy-General of Guatemala is. This is

traditionally the very last entry on the Eastern Order of Precedence.

Baron (then Lord) Algernon Hartesmond was a well-known Easterner. He was

the founder of Concordia-of-the-Snows (Albany, NY), a Hordesman, and a bard

of note. And then he disappeared, having joined a mundane order called the

Peace Corps and gone on a mission far to the South, to a place called

Nicaragua.

One day, he returned, and appeared at the Court of the King of the East,

the renowned Gyrth Oldcastle. Gyrth was pleased to see his friend and

subject, and asked him where he had been, and on what business. Algernon

told him he had been far to the South, in lands claimed by none of the

Laurel kings (of which there were but five at the time).

Now, Gyrth was (and is) a most wise and learned man, and he knew that these

lands had of old been claimed by the King of Spain, who had placed them

under a viceroy, styled the Captain-General of Guatemala (for such was the

whole land known in those days, which is now many sovereign nations). And

he knew that the office had been in abeyance for many long years. He

therefore determined to assert his claim to the lands his subject had

explored, and called the Captaincy-General out of abeyance in his own

right, naming Algernon to that office.

Algernon resigned the office at the coronation of Siegfried I of glorious

memory, but the office remains in the gift of the Eastern crown -- the

claims of the Outlands to all lands south of Ansteorra notwithstanding.

(Sounds to me like a good excuse for a war....<grin>).

Baron Algernon Hartesmond has not been seen in the Knowne Worlde for

many years, but the rune of his philosopher's engine is thus:

dryfoo at athena.mit.edu .

Steffan ap Cennydd

Sometime Royal Eastern Historian

From: Kim.Salazar%em at mailgw.er.doe.GOV

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: SCAthian authors/artists

Date: 29 Aug 1994 15:43:54 -0400

Rumor from the past:

The Hagar the Horrible's artist was rumored to be SCA-literate

after a series of strips circa 1978, which contained a Knight of

Incredible Size and Prowess, who just happened to be sporting the

arms (if the rumor is to be believed) of the immortal Sir Paul of

Bellatrix.

Other rumored SCA-friends (and probably members) of the time:

The brothers Hildebrandt, illustrators of SF/fantasy fame. I

believe they did the art for the original Sword of Shinerra (sp).

At the time many gentles swore that those illustrations contained

familiar faces.

And finally: If the C.S. Friedman, active SF/fantasy writer, is

indeed the same Celia S. Friedman I roomed with at college

(highly likely!), she was known as Lady Adrienne of Huntington.

Along with Lady Ariel she co-founded Fenmere, (Brandeis

University group circa 1974-1979). She also fenced for the

college team, and was of the early popularizers of fencing in the

East.

Kim Brody Salazar/Ianthe d'Averoigne, OR, OL

Forever a Carolingian salazark%em at mailgw.er.doe.gov

From: folo at prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: newcomer querys

Date: 26 Sep 1994 22:38:30 GMT

Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Back in the reign of Finnvarr and Caellyn, the curia set out 500

as the beginning date. It was never set into law and has, for the

most part, been neglected.

I still think it's a good idea.

Yrs, Folo

Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - folo at prairienet.org

Baron Wurm Wald (MidRealm) - Commander Baldwin's (NWTA)

From: Neil Maclay <nmaclay at mitre.org>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: History of SCA fighting

Date: 18 Nov 1994 17:43:21 GMT

Organization: Planning Systems, Inc. (PSI)

In article <1994Nov17.155159.37047 at taurus.bsuvc.bsu.edu> Shop

Smart...Shop S-Mart!, 00pfpogue at bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

> I'd like to hear, through posts or email, what opinions all of you

on the

> bridge have on this subject, whether the persons named be Society-wide

> phenomenons or Kingdom legends. All I ask is that you generall believe

that

> this person had something of an influence on the way your entire

kingdom or the

> Society itself fought. I'm hoping to gain at least a general idea of

how our

> unique martial art came to evolve over the years.

In the East Kingdom I believe that Mistress Morgan Allandris (SP?) was

important in the early development of organized group tactics. Also in

the East Sir Sigfried von Holstearn is famous as an individual fighter

and as a leader.

In Atlantia Sir Gyrth Oldcastle developed a distinct sword and shield

style that has proven to be very successful in tournament fighting over

the years. He has also written a small book describing his style. Does

anyone know if this book is still available and how to get it? If so

please post.

Also in Atlantia, Sir Strykar, Sir Baschamp Paul, and Sir Steffan of

Wolfshaven developed the "three stooges style" of fighting. This style

includes a highly developed style of two sword and of greatsword fighting

emphasizing footwork and circularity of movement. These elements also

dominate the "stoogic" styles of sword and shield.

I would consider Sir Gyrth and Sir Strykar the two main theorists of

fighting in Atlantia though their are many others who teach fighters to

fight well.

Master Malcolm MacMalcolm, Marshal

mka Neil Maclay

Barony of Storvic - Atlantia

mka Wash. D.C. area

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From: v081lu33 at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (TRISTAN CLAIR DE LUNE/KEN MONDSCHEIN)

Subject: Re: History of SCA fighting

Organization: University at Buffalo

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 22:58:37 GMT

Morgan Elandris (AKA Our Lady Saint Morgan Elandris, but if you

tell her I said that she'll rip my head off) was instrumental in teaching

the East how to fight as a unit, especially the Rhydderich Hael barony.

She also trained a whole slew of knights, including a Duke or two (Hanno,

for one...) She's also in the real-life military, has horses, and does all

sorts of cool stuff. And makes nice cloaks. I think I'll make her a Peer

once I win Crown :)

--Tristan

From: David Schroeder <ds4p+ at andrew.cmu.edu>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: SCA Authors <long>

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:36:27 -0500

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Margaret Fraser, author of the Sister Frevisse mysteries,

(The Novice's Tale, the Outlaw's Tale, her new book, The Bishop's Tale,

et cetera) is a pseudonym for Mary Monica Pulver and a co-author

whose name I always forget (help me out Nordskogen folks!).

And the brothers Hildebrandt attended the coronation of Gyrth

and Melisande in the ancient days of the East (I was site autocrat).

I'm not sure if they came to any other events, though.

My best -- Bertram

From: zkessin at ppp3253.wing.net (Zach)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Odin Akbar

Date: 30 Dec 1994 10:26:22 GMT

Organization: Wilder Internet Gateway, Boston, MA

Akbar was also the an early King of the East. He bears the distiction

of being one of the few (if not the only one) to have been prince

while his biological father was king. (And Vice versa)

Guiliam

Collector of odd Trivia

From: salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: A historical perspective...

Summary: Myrkfaellin

Date: 23 Apr 95 19:04:34 GMT

Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

[Hal posting from Dorothy's account....] writes:

> FROM THE SCA, INC.:

> (from _The Page_, September AS IX)

> At the July meeting, actions included the passing of the above;

> confirmation of Richard of Alsace as Seneschal of the Middle Kingdom;

> a provision that a member of the Order of the Laurel may petition to

> receive a Pelican in its stead, should he so desire; note taken that

> T.I. #28 was ready to be mailed; and the acceptance of new branch, to

> be called Myrkfaellin (in which Kingdom they don't say).

The Dominion of Myrkfaellin is within the Kingdom of the East, Principality of

AEthelmearc. Note that I say `within', not `part of'. It was Myrkfaellin

that caused the BoD to re-write a lot of their New Group Procedures.

The petition was written in authentic Old Icelandic. One of their members

earned his doctorate in Old Icelandic studies. No translation was provided.

The document stated they were in fealty to King Osborne(?) of the East,

not to the King of the East in general, just Osborne! When he stepped down,

the Dominion proclaimed that they were NOT in fealty to anyone, they were

analogous to the Vatican City in Italy, they were surrounded by, but NOT

a part of the East Kingdom. Events in Myrkfaellin do tend to be `interesting'

;-) ;-) If you're not from the Dominion, your feast token is a passport.

If the King wants to come, he has to negotiate as if visiting a foreign

power. I'm sure Purple will fill in details I missed.

- Dagonell

(who was once given the Queen of

the East as a present by John the

Pell while in Myrkfaellin ;-)

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr

Habitat : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony

Internet : salley at cs.canisius.edu (Please use this, reply may not work.)

USnail-net : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029

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From: fridrikr at world.std.com (Thomas W Delfs)

Subject: Re: Longest-active SCA members

Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:19:44 GMT

djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:

>In article <1995Jun12.122422 at blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu>,

>The Morgenstern Under the Mountain <morgenstern at blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu> wrote:

>>...Who, as far as anyone knows, is the longest-running member of

>>the SCA? .... Are any of the attendees of the original

>>event of May, 1966, still active at all in the SCA?

<snip>

>These are all in the West Kingdom.

>I still see Mistress Elfreida of Greenwalls (Marion Zimmer Bradley)

>fairly often, but she doesn't do SCA any more. But she still lives

>in Berkeley.

>Any Dinosaurs still active in other Kingdoms?

>Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt

>Mists/Mists/West UC Berkeley

>Argent, a cross forme'e sable djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu

I suspect that at 19+ years, both Baroness Daedra MacBeth a Gryphon and I

rank as "very ancient newbies" of the East. Count Sir Jehan de la Marche

and Sir Garanhir of Ness are still active in AEthelmearc, and Duke

Asbjorn has been known to show at practices and events in Sterlyng Vayle

(Binghamton, NY) from time to time.

FRIDRIKR

From: aa101159 at dasher.csd.scarolina.edu (Virginia Gray)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Longest-active SCA members

Date: 13 Jun 1995 16:47:17 GMT

Organization: Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia

Let's not forget Sir Trude (or is it Trudy?), who's first event was A.S.I

anniversary. I know she lives in East kingdom, but I'm not sure exactly

where. I met her at an Atlantian event a couple weekends ago.

Ldy Rachel Wallace

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Subject: Re: Longest-active SCA members

From: una at bregeuf.stonemarche.org (Honour Horne-Jaruk)

Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 09:11:25 EDT

fridrikr at world.std.com (Thomas W Delfs) writes:

> I suspect that at 19+ years, both Baroness Daedra MacBeth a Gryphon and I

> rank as "very ancient newbies" of the East. Count Sir Jehan de la Marche

> and Sir Garanhir of Ness are still active in AEthelmearc, and Duke

> Asbjorn has been known to show at practices and events in Sterlyng Vayle

> (Binghamton, NY) from time to time.

> FRIDRIKR

Respected friend:

Hiya, kid! I celebrated my 21st SCA anniversary last december 27th-

and I _think_ Jarl Aelfwine has me beat.

The East used to have "Sabre-tooth Tygers"... people who were active

here before the first king of the East was crowned. Marion of Edwinstowe

_might_ be one.

Yours in service to the Society-

(Friend) Honour Horne-Jaruk R.S.F.

Alizaunde, Demoiselle de Bregeuf C.O.L. SCA

Una Wicca (That Pict)

From: salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: The Status of Myrkfaelen, is it really ruled by Aethelmarc?

Date: 23 Jun 95 12:46:29 GMT

Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Viscount Edward Zifran of Gendy, KSCA, OL, OP, ETC (E. F. MORRILL) writes:

> (Bryan Maloney) writes:

> {previous remarks deleted}

>>Myrkfaelen is most certainly NOT part of the Principality of Aethelmarc, nor

>>is it in any way part of the East Kingdom. Myrkfaelen is an Independent

>>Dominion, holding alliegence to no Crown, nor King, nor Prince.

> Allow me to suggest, that if that is true, Then why is it it seems, that

> no-one in Mykfaelan seems to turn down an East Kingdom award, if one is

> offered? The reality is that Mykfaelan "Is"part of the East.

Are you kidding? It took six men to carry John the Pell into court and

force him to his knees in front of the king to be made a member of the

Chivalry. And that was _after_ he had turned it down FOUR times! And

he still chose Master rather than swear fealty.

- Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr

Habitat : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony