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Use of hemp in period. In ropes, as an intoxicant, clothing. Hemp seeds in food. Recipes. Sources for hemp seed.

 

NOTE: See also the files: hemp-cloth-msg, rope-msg, silk-msg, cotton-msg, linen-msg, herbs-msg, seeds-msg, smoking-msg.

 

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From: haslock at fiacha.zso.dec.com (Nigel Haslock)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Smoking at events

Date: 15 Nov 1994 21:01:51 GMT

Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

 

Greetings from Fiacha,

 

eadengle at watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Ed "Cynwrig" Dengler) writes:

|> The question I would like answered is: did ships/boats in period use

|> hemp for anything?

 

|> Cynwrig

 

Lets think. Ropes, sails, caulking, clothing (probably bedding too).

 

Think of hemp as the period wonder fiber, cheap, durable and capable of being

worked to any degree of fineness.

 

      Fiacha

 

 

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Smoking at events

From: david.razler at compudata.com (David Razler)

Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:17:00 -0500

Organization: Compu-Data BBS -=- Turnersville, NJ -=- 609-232-1245

 

GR>Hi, Angharad ver' Rhuawn here, feeling silly.

 

GR>Aleksandr the Traveller says,

 

>  Actually, those of us from early period who come from points east or

>travelled as I have should be smoking substances other than tobacco - I

>wonder if an educational organization can get the same kind of exemption

>from certain dracconian laws granted religious organizations like the N

>American Church?

>

>   "But officer, I was just giving a class on the historic growing of

>and the use of its various components during the Middle Ages. How can you

>truely teach such a subject without, uh, inhaling ...."

 

GR>Actually, in the Middle East, virtually every medical text from period

GR>describes treatments that involve smoking herbs wrapped in silk or paper

GR>(the pictures look remarkably like cigarettes).  The most common substan

GR>in them, I believe, will get you in rather more trouble than hemp.

 

GR>Comes from poppies.

 

GR>Now, if you want a well documented use for hemp in period, try Plotina's

GR>recipe for hemp soup.

 

GR>-- Angharad/Terry

 

  Have to {ahem, unofficially, I didn't do it, never ever would break the

law, etc.> give it a try, though the thought of the TASTE of hemp soup is

more than offputting. I have noticed ONE bad habit of some of my Arabic and

Indian friends at Pennsic, to offer me delightful drinks and candies, that,

according to my old recepie books, call for many spices, including copius

quantities of the aromatic dried resin of hemp.

 

Bhang: Bring 10 oz. water to a rolling boil, remove from heat and add 1/2

oz. ganja and let soak for 5 minutes, kneed vigorously then remove the

ganja, set aside water, dispose of stems and seeds.place ganja in mortar and

reduce to a pulp, adding milk gradually, along with 1/4 oz. pepper, 1/8 oz.

dry ginger, pinch each of caraway seeds, cloves, cinnamon, nutmeg, cardamom,

1/4 oz cucumber seeds, 6 almonds, one fully-developed rose including hip,

add 1/4 oz poppy seeds. Add paste ball to 20 oz. milk - what you used in

making paste, strain through muslin, throw away everything but milk, add

original water and sugar to taste ( at 8 oz.) Chill and serve.

 

Manjun: blend 2 oz. ganja and 1 oz. butter, let stand several hours. Place 1

lb. crude sugar and water until it is dissolved and thick, cook to thread

stage, add 2 pinches clove, 3/4 oz caraway seeds, 1 1/4 oz. poppy seeds, 1/2

oz. cinnamon and cook to 300 degrees, remove and blend in butter mixture,

optionally nuts. stretch on a marble surface like peanut brittle.

 

  That and several other recepies can be lifted from The Connoisseur's

Handbook of Marijuana, a grab bag present (really, mom!) I won many years

ago in college.

                         Aleksandr, uh the, uh , what were we talking about?

                                [david.razler at compudata.com]

 

 

From: IMC at vax2.utulsa.edu (I. Marc Carlson)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Hemp and Pot

Date: 19 Nov 1994 12:54:06 -0600

 

After a long discussion with some people on this topic, since they were

convinced that there is actually a significant difference between plant known

as Marijuana, and the Hemp that has been traditionally used for rope, cloth,

and other goodies through out the history of Western Europe (and is, I believe,

still used today), I went and visited my handy OED and looked up the

definitions (any odd letters are the result of special characters in the

OED database)

 

cannabis.

1.   Common hemp, Cannabis sativa, a tall erect herb of the family

     Moraceæ having long dentate leaves on long petioles and common

     in central Asia and other warm regions; different regional

     varieties, occas. distinguished as Cannabis americana,

     Cannabis indica (Indian hemp), etc., are cultivated for their

     fibre, their intoxicating properties, or the oil obtained from

     their seeds.

2.   (Orig. ellipt. for Cannabis sativa or (especially) Cannabis indica.)

     Any of various preparations of different parts of the hemp-plant

     which are smoked, chewed, or drunk for their intoxicating or

     hallucinogenic properties and were formerly used medicinally;

     bhang (marijuana), ganja, and charas (hashish) are different

     forms of these preparations and there are many other names.

3.   attrib. and Comb., as cannabis plant, -smoker; cannabis resin,

     the sticky resin produced by the hemp-plant, esp. the

     flowering tops of the female, and containing the active

     principles.

 

hemp (henep, hempe, hemppe).

     [OE. henep, hænep = OLG. *hanap, *hanip, MDu. and Du. hennep,

     LG. hemp, OHG. hanaf, -if, -uf (MHG. hanef, Ger. hanf), ON.

     hampr (Sw. hampa, Da. hamp):---OTeut. *hanpi-z, *hanapi-z...

1.   An annual herbaceous plant, Cannabis sativa, N.O. Urticaceæ,

     a native of Western and Central Asia, cultivated for its

     valuable fibre.  It is a di?cious plant, of which the female

     is more vigorous and long-lived than the male, whence the

     sexes were popularly mistaken, and the female called carl or

     winter h., the male fimble (i.e. female), barren, or summer

     h.: see carl hemp and fimble. (The quotations from the Saxon

     Leechdoms appear to refer to some wild British plant, perh.

     the wild hemp of 5.)

2.   The cortical fibre of this plant, used for making cordage, and

     woven into stout fabrics.

3.   In allusion to a rope for hanging.

4.   A narcotic drug obtained from the resinous exudation of the

     Indian hemp; bhang; hashish.

5.   With qualifying words, applied to numerous other plants

     yielding a useful fibre, or otherwise resembling hemp: as

     African hemp, (a) bowstring hemp (a); (b) Sparmannia africana

     (Miller Plant-names). American false hemp, Datisca hirta

     (Miller Ibid.).  bastard h., name given to the British plants

     Hemp-nettle and Hemp Agrimony (Britten & Holland). Bengal h.,

     Bombay h., Madras h., Crotalaria juncea (Miller).

          bowstring hemp; (a) a plant of the genus Sanseviera, esp.

          S. guineensis, a liliaceous plant of tropical Africa, the

          leaf-fibres of which are used by the natives for

          bowstrings and for making ropes; (b) in India, S.

          Roxburghiana; also Calatropis gigantea (N.O.

          Asclepiadaceæ). brown Indian h., Hibiscus cannabinus

          (Miller). Canada or Indian h., Apocynum cannabinum, a N.

          American perennial (J. Smith Dict. Econ. Pl.). Cretan h.,

          Datisca cannabina (Miller). holy h., an old name for

          Galeopsis Ladanum (Miller). Indian h., a tropical variety

          of Common Hemp, Cannabis Indica. jute or plant h.,

          Corchoris capsularis (Encycl. Brit.). Kentucky h., Urtica

          (Laportea) Canadensis and U. cannabina (Miller). Manilla

          h., the fibre of Musa textilis, of the Banana family.

          mountain h., Hyoscyamus insanus (Syd. Soc. Lex.). nettle

          h. = hemp-nettle. Peruvian h., Bonapartea juncea.

          Queensland h., the tropical weed Sida rhombifolia (N.O.

          Malvaceæ), called also Paddy or Native Lucerne, and Jelly

          Leaf. ramie h., B_hmeria nivea. sisal h., the fibre of

          species of Agave, esp. A. Sisalana. Virginian h., willow

          h., Acnida cannabina, an amarantaceous marsh plant,

          native of eastern U.S. water h., a name given to

          Eupatorium cannabinum and Bidens tripartita, in U.S. to

          Acnida cannabina. wild h., Eupatorium cannabinum

          (Gerarde), and Galeopsis Tetrahit (Britten & Holland).

 

marijuana, marihuana [American Spanish]

1.   A preparation of the hemp plant, Cannabis sativa (see

     cannabis), for use as an intoxicating and hallucinogenic drug;

     usu. applied to a crude preparation of the dried leaves,

     flowering tops, and stem of the plant that is generally

     smoked.

2.   The hemp plant; = cannabis 1.

 

So it seems that it is possible that there is a relationship here.  However,

hemp, it seems refers to the material taken from the stems (which I'm told by,

er, friends don't make as good a smoking material as the leaves do), while

one smokes the leaves (or just uses them for herbal concoctions :) ).

 

I still suspect that while it's possible that Hemp leaves were used for

herbal remedies in history, the refinement of smoking them remained unknown

in western Europe until late in the 16th C (at the earliest), when they *might*

have been used to "sauce" up a pipe of mundane tobacco.

 

A simple scholar,

 

      Diarmuit Ui Dhuinn

      University of Northkeep

      Northkeepshire, Ansteorra

      (I. Marc Carlson/IMC at vax2.utulsa.edu)

 

 

From: Neil Maclay <nmaclay at mitre.org>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Hemp and Pot

Date: 20 Nov 1994 03:37:39 GMT

Organization: Planning Systems, Inc. (PSI)

 

I. Marc Carlson, IMC at vax2.utulsa.edu writes:

> I still suspect that while it's possible that Hemp leaves were used for

> herbal remedies in history, the refinement of smoking them remained unknown

> in western Europe until late in the 16th C (at the earliest), when they

> *might* have been used to "sauce" up a pipe of mundane tobacco.

 

Herodotus, in his "History of the Persian Wars", describes how the

Scythians got high by inhaling the smoke of cannabis. They did not use

pipes, instead they would gather in a closed tent and throw leave,

flowers, and seeds onto burning coals.

 

A side thought, I don't believe Herodotus mentions what they used as fuel

for their fire when they did this.  I do know that horse nomads such as

the Scythians often used dried animal dung as fuel.

 

Master Malcolm MacMalcolm, Marshal

( just say 'MMMMM...' )

mka Neil Maclay

Barony of Storvic - Atlantia

mka Wash. D.C. area

 

 

From: djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: hemp leaves /was serf's clothing

Date: 24 Nov 1996 22:25:17 GMT

Organization: University of California at Berkeley

 

David M. Razler <david.razler at worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>|      (Which you got, by the way, by plucking up all the female

>|      plants before they flowered, when you could only tell

>|      male from female by the color of the leaves....

 

>You can't, or at least none of the hemp growers I've known could tell by leaf

>color. They tried every possible method to tell early on and failed.

 

Hmmmm.  I've never attempted growing hemp myself--there are

interesting legal problems--and all I know is from what Thomas

Tusser said in his _500 Points of Good Husbandry._  I haven't a

copy on hand at the moment, but this is what he said:

 

Go pluck fro the karl hemp the fimble hemp clean:

That looketh more yellow, the t'other more green.

 

>Beyond that, aside from 1) drug potency and 2) production of seeds for next

>year's crop, I have never seen anything stating a difference between male and

>female plants in terms of fiber production. ....

 

Hmmm.  Maybe the variety of hemp grown in Europe in period to

produce fibers is different from the variety of hemp grown in the

US in the present day to produce THC?

 

Just as a cow kept for milk is a different strain from one kept

for meat--they will both produce both, but some are more

productive in one field than another.

 

>The only difference I can see is that younger stalks may produce fibers which

>are thinner and capable of producing a smoother fabric without treartment to

>soften or split them.

 

And presumably the female fibers, having been harvested earlier,

would show that characteristic.  But if that were the only

difference, Tusser would simply have said (in the appropriate

doggerel) "Go pull up all your hemp plants except the ones you're

saving for seed."

 

I'm *not* going to go and experiment....

 

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin

 

 

From: Brett and Karen Williams <brettwi at ix.netcom.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: hemp leaves /was serf's clothing

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:27:02 -0800

 

There is an interesting discussion of the properties of hemp (as a bast

fiber and otherwise) in Professor Barber's "Prehistoric Textiles", ISBN

0-691-00224-X, in which she makes the assertion, via inference, that the

knowledge of the intoxicating qualities of the hemp plant gradually

spread west from southeast Asia. The appendix of Chapter 1,

incidentally, discusses the change of the word used for 'hemp'-- the

original word was gradually displaced as the new variety of hemp moved

its way westwards.

 

A picture on page 16 displays hemp being grown for rope fiber in

Romania, late 1970's. Large, *large* stacks, tied in shocks. Mine eyes

are red just wondering if it's the older variety without THC or the

newfangled Asian stuff!

 

ciorstan

 

 

From: gray at ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle Gray)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: hemp leaves /was serf's clothing

Date: 27 Nov 1996 23:50:59 GMT

Organization: CMPSCI Department, UMass Amherst

 

dietmarrvs at aol.com wrote:

: I don't believe that hemp fiber is illegal in this country, because you

: can buy it in many hardware stores as sisal rope or twine.

 

Thank you for inspiring me to look this up.  ;-)

 

Sisal, also called "sisal hemp" because of its similarity to "Indian hemp"

(_cannabis sativa_), is from the West Indian Agave (_Agave sisalana_).  It is

not related to Indian hemp, in the same way that "Manila hemp" (abaca, from

the _Musa textilis_ banana native to the Phillipines) is not related to Indian

hemp.  The term "hemp" is used to describe a number of plant fibers that have

[supposedly] similar characteristics.

------------------------------------------------------ NON ANIMAM CONTINE

Lyle H. Gray                                gray at cs.umass.edu (text only)

 

 

From: gray at ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle Gray)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: hemp leaves /was serf's clothing

Date: 28 Nov 1996 00:00:33 GMT

Organization: CMPSCI Department, UMass Amherst

 

I wrote:

: Sisal, also called "sisal hemp" because of its similarity to "Indian hemp"

: (_cannabis sativa_), is from the West Indian Agave (_Agave sisalana_).  It is

: not related to Indian hemp, in the same way that "Manila hemp" (abaca, from

: the _Musa textilis_ banana native to the Phillipines) is not related to

: Indian hemp.  The term "hemp" is used to describe a number of plant fibers

: that have [supposedly] similar characteristics.

 

BTW, Indian hemp belongs to the mulberry family, and sisal belongs to the

amaryllis family...

------------------------------------------------------ NON ANIMAM CONTINE

Lyle H. Gray                                gray at cs.umass.edu (text only)

 

 

From: David Corliss <corlisd at aa.wl.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: hemp leaves /was serf's clothing

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:20:14 -0400

Organization: Retro Team, Parke-Davis Ann Arbor

 

Dick Eney wrote:

> In article <32994A46.721B at ix.netcom.com>,

> Brett and Karen Williams  <brettwi at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> >Medwyn wrote:

> >>    djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

> >> <...>

> >> >Hmmm.  Maybe the variety of hemp grown in Europe in period to

> >> >produce fibers is different from the variety of hemp grown in the

> >> >US in the present day to produce THC?

> >> <...>

 

Hemp fiber is taken from the stem of the plant (bast fibers). Drugs are taken,

chiefly, from the leaves. As a results, hemp grow for the two distinct purposes is hardly recognizable as the same species.

 

Hemp grown for drug production emphasizes the leaves. The plant are bushy and planted very far apart. Hemp grown for fiber emphasizes the stems. The plants are as close together as possible: crowding is deliberate. As a result, light is unavailable at the sides of the plant. The only leaves are at the top. The plant grows very tall and straight, ever reaching towards the sparse sunlight. This gives the maximum amount of bast fiber.

 

Obviously, specific varieties have been developed to stress particular qualities. The drug varieties might be expected to have even less in common with the fiber varieties as a climbing rose has in common with a miniature shrub rose.

 

David/Beorthwine

 

 

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: What hemp is and isn't- and is and isn't good for.

From: una at bregeuf.stonemarche.org (Honour Horne-Jaruk)

Date: Thu, 12 Dec 96 06:14:15 EST

 

Respected friends:

dietmarrvs at aol.com writes:

> I don't believe that hemp fiber is illegal in this country, because you

> can buy it in many hardware stores as sisal rope or twine.  The hemp fiber

> is very similar to linen, flax, and ramie.  If it would make such

> outstanding cloth, than that same need would be filled by those fibers.

> The average person is not clamoring to wear linen clothing.  People want

> the comfort and convenience of cotton.

>

> As for paper, the same argument holds.  People like nice white wood pulp

> paper.  If there were an overwhelming demand for other fibers to be used

> in paper production than there are plenty of legal fibers (papyrus,

> cotton, and linen) that could be used in place of hemp.

>

> Let's not kid ourselves.  There is no good reason that hemp should be

> grown in the U.S.  If you want to grow hemp, just be honest and admit that

> you want to smoke it.

> Just my 2 cents,

> Flame away,

>

> Dietmar

 

        Respected friend:

        I find it necessary to inform you that you are laboring under at least

six, and perhaps more, misapprehensions.

 

        First, that sisal rope or twine is made from hemp: It isn't. It's

made from the fibers of a plant in the Agave family. Manila rope is made from

Manila hemp, which my dictionary describes as "fibers from the leafstalk of

a tropical tree grown in the Phillipines" ; thus, manila rope may or may not

be made from hemp.

 

        Second, that linen and flax come from two different plants: They don't.

Linen is the name of the thread and cloth produced from correctly prepared

flax fibers, which come from the flax plant.

 

        Third, the idea that flax and ramie are interchangeable with hemp:

They aren't. Linen has _very_ poor abrasion resistance; hemp is virtually

immune to abrasion. That's why you don't see flax rope in the hardware stores.

Ramie is _extremely_ difficult to dye with; some deep, strong colors won't

take at all without modern chemicals. Hemp dyes with quite ridiculous ease.

 

        Fourth, that cotton is more comfortable and convenient than the

bast-fiber cloths such as linen, ramie, and canvas (hemp-fiber cloth): It

isn't. Bast fibers are more absorbent and smoother than cotton- thus more

comfortable; they are more soil-resistant, tougher and longer lasting than

cotton- thus more convenient. The only downside is that linen is more

easily creased than cotton. That's never been enough of a problem to deter

me.  

 

        Fifth, that hemp paper is less white or less "nice" than wood-pulp

paper: It isn't. The US Declaration of Independence was written on hemp

paper. I've seen the original; it is both less damaged and less yellowed than

any wood-pulp paper of the same age (Of which there are almost no surviving

examples; wood-pulp paper "eats" itself, due to chemical degredation. Some

pulp magazines of the 1950s are already unreadable.) Hemp paper is used by

some of the greatest stationers in the world. Relatively few millionares

and Royal houses are in the habit of choosing second-best, especially when

the best is cheaper.

 

        (By the way, Hemp paper- and cloth- take less energy to produce,

are less depleting of the soil, produce more useful fiber from less land,

and leave less wastes, physical _and_ chemical, behind, than do any of your

listed alternative plants. In fact, on all of the above points, Cotton

scores near the _bottom_. Environmentally, modern cotton is the pits.)

 

        Six, the hemp plants used for fiber and pulp production contain

so little THC that you would have more fun smoking oregano. Therefore, the

notion that we're secret dopers out for a cheap toke simply makes no sense.

I, for example, am seriously allergic to hemp smoke; it would be astoundingly

stupid of me to promote its use. I'm not stupid. I don't.

 

        And to get this back to the SCA -- In the SCA's time period, _all_

canvas tents, sails, bags, and tarps were made  of _real canvas_: hemp-

fiber cloth. Modern cotton "canvas" is a very-second-rate substitute; it's

weaker, heavier, less dyeable, less breathable, less waterproof and less

quickly dried. Clothing made of "hemp linen" (silly name!) wears like steel,

holds color like a paint can, is cool in summer and warm in winter, and is

delightfully easy to clean - it can be boiled with lye soap, if the grease

stains are bad enough.

 

        Hemp paper, however, may not have been made pre-1600. It seems

likely the idea postdates wood-pulp paper.

 

        I hope this clarifies the issue for you.

 

                                Alizaunde, Demoiselle de Bregeuf

                                Una Wicca (That Pict)

                                (Friend) Honour Horne-Jaruk, R.S.F.

 

 

From: dalton at ea.net (Nancy Dalton)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Hemp in the US

Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 17:46:30 GMT

 

People following the hemp, legal, available, period, etc. questions.  

might be interested in the following.

Nancy Dalton

ska Earnwynn Van Zwaluwenburg

 

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------

Date:          Sun, 5 Jan 1997 07:49:53 -0500 (EST)

To:            weaving at quilt.net

 

Since there was a lot of discussion on the list a couple of months ago

about hemp, I thought some of you might be interested in reading an

article in today's (Sunday) Washington Post business section on hemp.

It covers the legal status, the issues in getting laws passed so we

can grow non-intoxicating hemp in the US, the fiber properties of the

plant, the history of growing it in the US (growing hemp was mandatory

in some places in colonial times).  I found especially interesting the

views of the large paper companies.  They are *very* interested in

hemp as a paper fiber, but they have to be very cautious so as not to

seem as if they are encouraging legalizing mj.  Something of a fine

line for them to walk.

 

Anyhow, the Post is online at http:\\www.washingtonpost.com.

 

No personal connection w/ the Post; just enjoyed the article.

 

Ruth

 

 

From: zaphod at zoology.ubc.ca (Lance R. Bailey)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Hemp in the US

Date: 6 Jan 1997 17:39:06 GMT

Organization: The University of British Columbia

 

Nancy Dalton (dalton at ea.net) wrote:

> People following the hemp, legal, available, period, etc. questions.  

> might be interested in the following.

> Nancy Dalton

> ska Earnwynn Van Zwaluwenburg

 

> Anyhow, the Post is online at http:\\www.washingtonpost.com.

 

the article in question is at

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1997-01/05/070L-010597-idx.html

--

devin o raudh

Barony of Lions Gate, An Tir

http://www.lydia.org/~zaphod/sca

 

 

From: The Custer Family <jcuster at alpha.clarion-net.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: CLOTHING INQUIRY FOR HEMP MATERIAL

Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 21:52:00 -0500

Organization: EMI Communications

 

mal1234 at aol.com (MAL1234) wrote:

> I'm wondering if anyone knows where or who may be selling hemp material by

> the yard. Someone in our Barony is looking for such material and has

> mentioned that it's the closest material to period clothing during the

> Hundred Year's War era. And yes I do know what hemp is, HOWEVER, this is

> no way in any shape or form asking for you know what. PURELY A MATERIAL

> FOR CLOTHES question.

> Anyone's insight would be greatly appreciated!

 

You might try this website: http://hemptech.com/index.html

 

It is the site of a group called HempTech : The Industrial Hemp

Information Network.

 

They include a list of the companies in the US that sell hemp based products, as well as news and information regarding the status of groups trying to get the US government to permit the growing of industrial grade hemp. There are also some

quality comparisons on hemp fabric vs. cotton fabric.

 

Elaine Flamme

 

 

From: djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: nettlecloth (was Re: [Q]s about Linen)

Date: 1 Aug 1997 14:03:40 GMT

Organization: University of California at Berkeley

 

Glenda Robinson  <glendar at antispam.compassnet.com.au> wrote:

>.....and indeed if Hemp was ever made into cloth during the Mediaeval

>period?

 

Oh, yes.  Hemp was grown, in fact, for two kinds of fibers:

relatively fine ones, for a cloth like flax but coarser, and

coarse ones for rope and so forth.

 

(Remember Puck, in _Midsummer Night's Dream,_ saying of the

rustics, "What hempen homespuns have we here?" They were wearing

working clothes of hemp, tougher than flax.)

 

Since I happen to have some editions of Thomas Tusser out from

the library, I can tell you a little about hemp cultivation in

England in the fifteenth century.

 

Tusser was a farmer who worked various farms in East Anglia,

and who published a little book of doggerel verses on when, and

how, to do the farmwork.

 

He says you should sow both flax and hemp in May.

 

        Good flax and good hemp, to have of her own,

        In May a good huswife will see it be sown;

        And afterwards trim it, to serve at a need,

        The fimble to spin, and the karl for her seed.

 

(The editor notes that "fimble" is "female" and for "karl"

says "coarse seed hemp for ropes, etc." "Karl" means "male."

 

In July, says Tusser, you pull up both the female hemp and the

flax:

 

        Wife, pluck fro thy seed hemp, the fimble hemp clean,

        This looketh more yellow, the t'other more green:

        Use t'one for thy spinning, leave Mighel the other,

        For shoe-thread and halter, for rope and such other.

 

In other words (to the disappointment of all the cannabis

advocates in Berkeley) you pull up all the female plants [except,

presumably, those you're saving to bear seed for next year]

before they have flowered, when you can only tell them from the

male plants by their yellowish color.  You let the male plants

grow till Michaelmas (late September), so their coarse fibers

will get really coarse.

 

You also pull the flax in July.

 

        Now pluck up thy flax, for the maidens to spin,

        First see it dried, and timely got in:

        And mow up thy brank, and away with it dry,

        And house it up close, out of danger to lie.

 

(Brank is buckwheat.)

 

So your hemp cloth will do fine for peasant gear, or carrying

sacks (those that don't need to be made of *really* tough fibers

from the karl hemp), or anything else you'd use a tough coarse

fabric for.

 

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                             Dorothy J. Heydt

Mists/Mists/West                                   Albany, California

PRO DEO ET REGE                                         djheydt at uclink

 

 

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:43:44 -0500

From: "Knott, Deanna" <Deanna.Knott at GSC.GTE.Com>

Subject: SC - Hemp recipes!

 

On Right Pleasure and Good Health

Platina

 

A critical edition and translation of De Honesta Voluptate et Valetudine

by Mary Ella Milham

 

Book VII, part 49

 

Hemp Dish

 

Make a hemp dish for twelve guests in this way: cook a pound of well washed

hemp until it splits open.  When it is cooked, add a pound of almonds.  When

it has been pounded with bread crumbs in a mortar, moisten it with lean

stock, and stir it into a pot through a sieve.  Then, when it has been

places on the hearth, stir it frequently with a spoon. When it is almost

cooked, put in a half pound of sugar, a half ounce of ginger, and a little

saffron with rose water.  When it is cooked and apportioned on serving

dishes, sprinkle with rather sweet spices.  I think this is very similar to

baricocoli of the people of Siena, for an extraordinary dish has been made

from many ordinary things, but it is also difficult to digest and causes

squeamishness and pain.

 

Book VII, part 68

 

For Hemp

 

Leave hemp seed in water a day and a night, then throw away what floats on

top as useless.  Pound this with well cleaned almonds, and when it is

pounded, soak in pea juice.  Add a bit of sugar and rose water, and cook all

together, mixing well, for four-fifths of an hours. Cassius Hemina reacts

badly to this food, than which nothing can be more harmful, he claims.

 

Book VIII, part 57

 

Hemp Balls

 

In a mortar, grind hemp seed well, so cooked that it shows its hulls split,

with cleaned almonds.  When it is ground, soak in fresh water, and pass

through a sieve into a pot.  It is necessary that it boil a little with a

bit of salt and sugar, and pepper should be added, if that also pleases you.

Let it boil again for a little while.  You will prepare slightly toasted

bits of bread, and put this food into serving dishes; spread out the bits

themselves as if they were on a board.  Make three or four layers of them.

Finally, sprinkle spices, especially the sweet variety, sparingly.  This is

completely to be fled from, for it nourishes badly, arouses squeamishness,

generates pain in the stomach and intestines, and dulls the eyes.

 

BTW, from all the research I have done, sterilized hemp seeds are legal in

the United States as a food product.  I don't know where to get them, but

that is what I have heard.

 

Avelina

 

 

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:00:14 -0600

From: Mike and Pat Luco <mikel at pdq.net>

Subject: SC - Re: Hemp seeds

 

You can get bulk Hemp seeds from some of the wholesale/retail bird seed

companies.  We use them for our canary seed mixtures when they are sitting on the eggs (to promote calmness and the hens will sit tighter.) The birds will pick though a whole bowl looking for them.  They aren't really for human consumption, and they have been sterilized so you can't plant them.

 

Henri and Antea

Kingdom of Ansteorra, Barony Star Gate

 

 

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:20:50 -0600

From: Mike and Pat Luco <mikel at pdq.net>

Subject: SC - Re:Hemp Seed again

 

Sorry for a double post, but I went back to our seed retail catalog and did

some reading.  The company says that their seeds are of human grade quality.

Their prices are:  $1.25 for 1 lb and $5.75 for a 5 lb sack.  These prices are US dollars and do not include shipping charges.  They ship UPS out of Miami FL, so figure from there.  If you are interested in their address let me know.

 

PS.  Does anyone know if eating these seeds will cause a positive on a drug

screening?

- --

Henri and Antea

Kingdom of Ansteorra, Barony Star Gate

 

 

From: powers at cis.ohio-state.edu (william thomas powers)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Hemp Rope

Date: 31 Jan 1999 01:26:16 GMT

Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science

 

>I am currently working on a period pavilion, and need a resource for

>good hemp rope.  Any one know of a source?

 

Ask the folks at the Ohio Hempery, 1-800-BUY-HEMP

 

Or you might inquire of the peopel at the Open Air Museum at

Bad Windsheim Germany what they plan to do with their crop...

 

wilelm the smith

 

 

From: Tanya Guptill <tguptill at mail.teleport.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Hemp Rope

Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:56:49 -0800

 

Found the following listing for hemp rope at

http://www.hempseed.com/cfpro/hempseed_1/prod_dtl.dbm?prty_id=194&;screen_id=204431653&user_id=0&prdct_id=PWR16+++++++++++++++

 

Less than a dollar a foot....

 

Mira

--

MEDIEVAL PAVILION RESOURCES

http://www.teleport.com/~tguptill/tent.html

 

 

From: Tanya Guptill <tguptill at mail.teleport.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Hemp Rope

Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:01:21 -0800

 

... I forgot to say that the listings of other sizes is on

http://www.hempseed.com/cfpro/hempseed_1/prod_list.dbm

 

Mira

 

 

Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:50:52 -0400 (EDT)

From: Jenne Heise <jenne at tulgey.browser.net>

Subject: Re: SC - cornstarch and cannibis

 

Interestingly, this month's Organic gardening has an interesting

allegation in the letters column, that claims that industrial hemp and

medicinal marijuana are different strains, and in fact look very

different. I don't know if it is true, but the OED (I'm so happy, my

school just got subscription to the OED online) sez:

 

"1. Common hemp, Cannabis sativa, a tall erect herb of the family Morace

having long dentate leaves on long petioles and common in central Asia and

other warm regions; different regional varieties, occas. distinguished as

Cannabis americana, Cannabis indica (Indian hemp), etc., are cultivated

for their fibre, their intoxicating properties, or the oil obtained from

their seeds."

 

Which might actually explain the lack of references to smoking of hemp in

the period English sources available-- they had the wrong variety for it.

(It may well be a pity: I hear that it is supposed to be good for

migraines, and currently theory holds that Hildegarde of Bingen probably

was a migraine sufferer. She pointed out that EATING too much hemp was

bad for the weak-brained, but apparently nothing about smoking it.)

 

Anyone have more information about hempseed porridge or hempseed oil,

though? I have some secondary references to hempseed porridge.

 

Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, mka Jennifer Heise          jenne at tulgey.browser.net

 

 

Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:52:30 -0400

From: Christine A Seelye-King <mermayde at juno.com>

Subject: SC - Hemp seed preparations

 

> Anyone have more information about hempseed porridge or hempseed

> oil, though? I have some secondary references to hempseed porridge.

>

> Hmm. The porridge sounds almost good. Documentation? I thought I...

> oh man... I dunno... um, what was the question again? I forgot.

> 'Lainie

 

      I have tried various food preparations made from and with hemp seed, and

my usual impression is "Hmm, this is pretty good, all except for the hemp

seed.  If they took that out, it would be better." They aren't very

digestible, they are like popcorn kernel shells that get stuck in your

teeth.  And they burn pinholes in your clothing.  ;)

 

      Christianna

 

 

Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:13:19 +0200

From: Thomas Gloning <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>

Subject: SC - hemp recipes from Maister Hanns 1460

 

In the cookbook of Maister Hanns (1460; ed. Ehlert) there are five hemp

recipes, one of them for "haniff muos":

 

<25> Ain haniff mu:os mach

Item ain haniff mu:o? dar zue nym haniff der gesotten sey, vnd sto:ess

jn klain vnd nym semlein prott, vnd den haniff schlah mit dem prot durch

ain tuch das mach mit dem gewürcz ab.

 

Very roughly: 'A hemp porridge/a hemp dish

Further: for a hemp porridge/hemp dish, take hemp that is boiled,

chop/pound it, take bread from rolls, strain the hemp through a cloth

together with the bread, season with spices'.

 

Best, Thomas

 

Here are the other ones, untranslated:

 

<22> Ain haniff suppen mach also

du solt jn durch schlahen mit wein wildu sy gu:ot haben ain gu:ote

suppen vnd gepa:ettes prot. vnd ain zwifel vnd ain apffel vnd hack das

klain. vnd schwai? das klain jn öll rain vnd thue das daran.

 

<199> Von ainem haniff ka:e?

Item dem haniff soltu also thuen Schlah jn zwirund oder drej stund durch

mit ainem gesotten wasser, vnd thue ain lot hausen plater, vnd ein pfunt

mandel darein oder dar zue, vnd seud jn ab jn wasser das sein nicht mer

werd dann auf ein essen, Du solt machen ein gu:ote milich die sol dick

sein, vnd mit zucker ab gemacht, Magstu den zucker aber nit gehaben, So

nym hönig vnd geus jn an den ka:e?, Du solt haben ain pfunt mandel den

schlach durch das es sej als dick als du ain kalte milich wilt geben den

mandel vnd den hausen plater prüe soltu durch schlahen das jr nicht mer

sej dann der anndern vnd als vil du jr wol bedarfft. So wirt es ein

gu:ot ka:e? Nym ein pfunt mandel milich das die dick sej vnd thue ein

wenig salcz daran, vnd besteck jn oben mit mandelkeren, vnd schu:ett die

milich oben vf den ka:ee?.

 

<201> Ainen schotten von haniff ze machem dem thue also

Item Nym Rohen haniff wasch den schon vnd reib jn jn ainem mörser vnd

schlah jn durch drej stund jn ain kessel, vnd lass jn sieden, Du solt

haben ain rindlein vol, vnd zwenn öpffel oder drej die schell schon vnd

schneids klain nach der lennge vnd prenn die ab jn dem öll das sy nicht

schwarcz werden, thue sy aus dem öll vnd leg sy auf die reim das jr

genu:og sej, stra:e zucker darauf Das ist ein schott.

 

<202> Aber von haniff

Item von haniff das er knödel gewynne Nym ain wein vnd schlah jn damit

durch da mach du ain gu:ote milich von vnd secz zue dem feur vnd lass

sieden, vnd nym dann ain zwifail vnd ain appfel vnd hack den klain, vnd

schwaiss jn jn ainem o:ell rain, vnd thue daran ein pa:etes prot mu:ost

du haben, Du magst machen die suppen von gu:otem gewurcz vnd Saffran

 

 

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:01:25 -0500

From: Christine A Seelye-King <mermayde at juno.com>

Subject: SC - Hempseed

 

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:27:47 -0800 lilinah at earthlink.net writes:

> So, those of you who do cook with hemp seed, where do you get them?

> (if you grow them yourselves, perhaps you shouldn't answer :-)

>

> Anahita

 

      I work in a large Natural Foods store, and I have a couple of products

that we sell here.  One is a sample bag of Shelled Hempseed from Nutiva -

available in 12 oz. cans.  www.nutiva.com, or 707-823-2800.  

      The other product is a 12 oz. can called "All Natural, The Original

'HempNut' Hulled Hempseed"  by The Hemp Corporation. Here is all the

copy from the can.

      "Enjoy HempNut right from the can - thousands of uses.  High in EFA's

and Protein. HempNut is hempseed with the shell removed using a special

machine.  HempNut is very nutritious, high in essential fatty acids

(EFA's) and high-quality albumin protein.  We think it's the greatest

thing to ever happen to hemp!  HempNut tastes like sunflower seed.  Use

it like sesame seed, as a topping on foods, or added to any recipe.  Also

try pan roasting with spices.  Since it is 36% EFAs keep from heat above

350 degreesF.  HempNut is free of drugs, and will not cause a positive

drug test.  It has not been heated but will not grow (because of

de-hulling), and it is legal everywhere.  For more info isit us at

www.thehempcorp.com or send us an email to <hempnutinfo at thehempcorp.com>.

      Member of the Hemp Food Association (www.hempfood.com).  For info email

<moreinfo at hempfood.com>

      Ingredients: 100% hulled hempseed.  

      The photo is larger and not exactly what's in the can, but is pretty

close.  There are always some seed shells and even the occasional whole

seed in here.  They are fine to eat, providing dietary fiber.  Watch for

the rare stone.  Use within 6 months.  Best if kept cold and sealed.

      Nutrition Facts

      Serving size - 1/2 oz. (14g)

      Servings per container 24

      Calories per serving 80     Fat cal  60

      Total fat 7g

      Sat. fat 0.5g

      Cholesterol 0

      Sodium 0

      Total carb 2g

      Dietary fiber 1g

      Sugars 0

      Protein 9g

 

      80% of the Total Fat is Essential Fatty Acids: Linolenic acid (Omega 3)

= 1.3g per 1/2oz.   Linolei acid (Omega 6) = 3.9g per 1/2 oz.  

 

      Recommended use: Eat at least 2 oz. of HempNut daily.  Product of

Germany, packed in the USA.  HempNut is a trademark of and is packed

exclusively for: The Hemp Corporation, 616 Davis Street, P.O. Box 1368,

Santa Rosa, CA 95402-1368

Phone (707) 527-8113.

 

      An exotic, delicious experience in nutrition that could change the way

you eat!"

 

      So, there you go, plenty of (legal) information to get you started!

      Christianna

 

 

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:13:14 -0400

From: Underground Cooks Collective <undergroundcook at operamail.com>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: [Sca-cooks] A redaction of Platina's Hemp Dish

 

Some dishes from period sources are rarely going to be attempted by modern

cooks. These include, for obvious reasons, Platina's two recipes involving

hempseed. Taking advantage of a small quantity of seed which recently made

itself available, we recently decided to produce a version of his "Cibarium

Cannabinum" (Hemp Dish) (VII:49).

 

Millham's translation is as follows:

 

"Make a hemp dish for twelve guests this way: cook a pound of well-washed hemp

until it splits open. When it is cooked, add a pound of almonds. When it has

been pounded with breadcrumbs in a mortar, moisten it with lean stock and stir

it into a pot through a seive. Then, when it has been placed on the hearth,

stir it frequently with a spoon. When it is almost cooked, put in half a pound

of sugar, a half ounce of ginger, and a little saffron with rose water. When

it is cooked and apportioned on serving dishes, sprinkle with rather sweet

spices. I think this is very similar to the _baricocoli_ of the people of

Sienna, for an extraordinary dish has been made from many ordinary things,

but it is also difficult to digest and creates squeamishness and pain."

 

Our version, with quantities unfortunately constrained by the available

seed:

 

hemp/cannabis seeds: 2/3 oz

ground almonds: 2/3 oz [1]

soft breadcrumbs: 2 tbsp

meat or vegetable stock: 3 tbsp

sugar: 1 1/2 tsp

ginger: 1/8 tsp

saffron: 3 threads, powdered

rosewater: 1/8-1/4 tsp [2]

1/8 tsp cinnamon, pinch cloves and pinch mace for spice mix, or your

favorite

poudre douce

 

Wash the seeds and boil them [3] until they split open (a bit over half an

hour in our case, but may very depending on the seeds). Place the seeds,

almonds and breadcrumbs into a mortar and pound until the seeds are well

crushed.

 

Mix in the stock, put the mixture into a fine seive and press it through the

seive into a pot. This may take a bit of work, as the mixture is fairly

thick. [4]

 

Gently cook the mixture until it thickens up (around 15 minutes). Stir in

the sugar, ginger, saffron and rosewater and cook for another few minutes.

Transfer to a serving dish and sprinkle lightly with sweet spice mix before

serving.

 

This gives a pleasant-tasting, smooth dish, almost reminiscent of a mousse in

texture, though heavier. The tasters did not notice the squeamishness or

pain alleged to accompany it.

 

[1] If you like pounding away with your mortar and pestle, whole almonds are

presumably intended in the original.

 

[2] We incautiously used 1/2 tsp, which was far too much and tended to obscure

other flavours. 1/8-1/4 tsp would probably have been about right, depending

on personal taste.

 

[3] We deliberated on what cooking method to use, and decided boiling was

most likely to burst the seeds as required.

 

[4] We believe that this step is intended to separate out the outsides of

the seeds, giving a much smoother dish. For this reason, we think that using a

blender instead of a mortar and pestle is not a good idea, as it may chop up

the outside of the seed fine enough that it can get through the seive. We

actually used a two-step process with a coarse and a fine seive, but this is

probably unnecessary if you have a big enough fine seive to start with.

 

Production would probably be easier if one had more seeds available, as

procedures were a little fiddly with such small quantities and we really

only got enough for a small dish for one person.

 

Platina's other hemp recipe (VII:67) is fairly similar, with the seeds again

being pounded with almonds, moistened and cooked with sugar and rosewater. It

specifies a longer cooking time than we used, but does not start with cooked

seeds. It's interesting to note that hemp seeds count as an "ordinary

thing".

 

Does anyone know of other recipes using them (aside from the versions of

these two in Martino, whence Platina copied them)?

 

We're interested in suggestions for substitutes for hempseed, as this dish

is well worthy of being served more widely. Those living in areas where

cultivation of industrial hemp (low-THC cannabis) is legal might be able to

get access to seeds of that variety and thus be able to serve a fully

authentic version of the dish, but it would be useful to know of other

grains which might serve as well.

 

Disclaimer: The posession and consumption of hempseed may well be illegal

where you live. The quantities required to get a reasonable amount of this

dish may be enough to attract severe penalties. In addition, this is probably

an inefficient means of ingesting THC if that's what you're actually after.

 

The Underground Cooks' Collective

 

(Our apologies for the anonymity, but it's probably wiser not to publicly

sign names to this...)

 

 

From: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>

To: "'sca-cooks at ansteorra.org'" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] A redaction of Platina's Hemp Dish

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:42:18 -0500

 

While it is illegal to grow hemp in the U.S., sterile hempseed, hemp meal

and hemp oil are exempt from the 1937 Maijauna Tax and may be imported as

long as the THC is below specified levels.  Sterile hempseed runs between $5

and $10 per pound.

 

Of course, being legal doesn't necessarily protect one from harassment, as

some of the importers found out a few years ago.  However, I note the

importers are still in business and their products are still being offered

in the U.S.

 

Bear

 

 

From: "ruadh" <ruadh at home.com>

To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] A redaction of Platina's Hemp Dish

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:37:28 -0400

 

http://www.ecomall.com/biz/hemp.htm

a good list of Links to Hemp products. seeds and Oil and woven.

Canada can grow hemp for fibre use. some states are relaxing their outdated

laws, and finally recognising the difference of hemp to cannabis. Until the

30's their were many Hemp farms in the states.

Hemp was a more period used 'cloth' than linen, and often mistaken by

historian as linen. Ask a weaver.

 

Ru

 

 

Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:53:08 -0400

From: Robin Carroll-Mann <rcmann4 at earthlink.net>

Subject: [Sca-cooks] What Not to Eat

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

 

I was hunting through the _Arte de Cortar_, a 1423 Spanish carving

manual, and came across something unexpected.  The author is discussing

the ideal habits and qualities of young men who are to serve the King at

table.  They should be clean, respectful, decorous, etc. Then he says,

"Concerning this, they must keep themselves from things contrary to the

said conditions and customs; especially, from eating garlic, onions,

leeks, and cilantro, shallots, and the electuary of hemp leaf, which the

Moors call alhaxixa."

 

An electuary is a medical compound, made into a paste with honey, or

with sugar and water.  (De Nola has a recipe for an electuary of sour

cherries, meant to stimulate the appetite of invalids.) The 1729 RAE

dictionary says that hemp leaves have an "abominable odor".  So, is

electuary of hemp a cause of bad breath?

--  

Brighid ni Chiarain

Barony of Settmour Swamp, East Kingdom

 

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