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newcomers-msg - 10/13/11


How to make newcomers to your group confortable. Integrating newcomers.


NOTE: See also the files: 4-newcomers-msg, Getting-an-AoA-art, SCA-intro-art,

SCA-trans-msg, intro-books-msg, names-FAQ, courtesy-msg, SCA-courtesy-art.





This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I  have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.


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I have done  a limited amount  of  editing. Messages having to do  with separate topics  were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the  message IDs  were removed to save space and remove clutter.


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Thank you,

   Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

                                         Stefan at florilegium.org



From: DICKSNR at qucdn.queensu.ca ("Ross M. Dickson")

Date: 4 Jul 91 14:53:00 GMT

Organization: The Internet


Greetings to the Rialto from Sarra Graeham, courtesy of Lord Angus:


Yaakov HaMizrachi comments upon his first event, the courtesy and welcome

he found there, and that he thinks it unfair to dump the responsibility

for training newcomers on existing group members who might be shy and find

it beyond their abilities, so long as there are other courteous people to

take up the slack.


He is right, in the ideal case.  But I think this, the most common view

on the best way to train newcomers, is damaging in any group where the

longtime members are "cliqueish".  This includes the case where they are

too shy to make new friends easily, as the two cases can't be told apart

by the newcomer, and cliqueish behavior is often impossible to see from

the inside.  (Everybody who's never run into an SCA group that behaves

like this, raise your hand!  :-)


Ideally, training newcomers is best taken up by everyone in a group, where

everyone who runs into them is helpful, answers their questions, lends

them what they didn't know to bring, rescues them from social gaffs ("Ah,

dear, that's the King you're about to present that cloved lemon to, and

the Queen is right beside him. ..."), etc.  But in the real world, groups

get too big and people get too busy to be able to notice newcomers among

the other noise and bustle.  Usually in any one group there are a few

people who take up the slack, official Chatelains/Gold Key or not, but

they can get tired or tell the newcomers all the wrong things ("Yeah, the

SCA's really great, everybody wears bunnyfur bikinis, drinks their guts

out, and you wouldn't believe the willing babes! ...").  I'm sure most

groups do a very good job, or the SCA wouldn't still be a courteous place

with steadily increasing membership, but judging by the social dynamic of

a few places I've visited, there's still much to be done.


This is why I feel it's important for longtime members to take an active

role in the training of newcomers; hospitality is in fact one of the Peer-

like qualities.  I made a long, impassioned posting on this topic earlier

this spring, but the Reader's Digest version is that if we want to shape

the Society into a courteous and authentic place, the longtime members who

know what's what have to make sure newcomers know what the Society's aims

and goals are, and that we are *not* a fantasy society, that we are *not*

a slavishly authentic society with a focus on one time and place, that we

*don't* want to recreate the evil politics of the period, and so on.


So the clever reader might be asking, "How do we do this?"  I got asked

the same thing at a herald's meeting the other week, when I suggested that

the heralds had a lousy reputation because we were the only group in the

SCA who regularly told people they couldn't do what they wanted to do.

My answer to, "How do we fix it?" was to say that the heralds should get

in on the training of newcomers, and make sure that every newcomer who

joins the SCA knows that they must choose a name and device that could

have, but didn't, belong to a human being before 1600.  If the newcomer

knows this at the beginning, they probably won't become attached to some-

thing inappropriate, and they will have no real quarrel with the heralds.

(We *should* be training our pursuivants to do this, but that's another



This is what I think should happen in every major field of Society endea-

vour, from behavior at an event, to making garb, to cooking feasts, to

the honour system in fighting, and beyond.  We should help our newcomers

discover the information they need to function as contributing members of

the SCA *before* they make their mistakes.  In Greyfells, we started off

our last batch of newcomers with two special meetings for them, the first

where we discussed courtesy, social conduct, and what they needed to bring

to their first event.  At the second meeting, we told them to bring fa-

bric, we supplied the sewing machines, and a dozen newcomers made their

own first garb with experienced canton members to guide them along.  So

now they had three things, appropriate garb of their own for their first

event, the knowledge of how to make more (especially relevant if they'd

never seen a sewing machine before), and most importantly, a feeling that

people in the SCA give their time and talent to help others.  That last is

crucial if the volunteerism that runs the SCA is to continue in perpetua,

with or without awards to spur it on.


I understand Yaakov's concern about asking busy SCA members to do more.

But I think that's the short term view.  In the long term, the only way

to get relief is for there to be somebody willing and able to take up the

reins when you falter, and that's what training newcomers is all about.

If there's nobody there, you keep working, or the group dies.


I'm afraid I've run on again, but I really feel quite passionate about

this topic.  If the SCA is not to devolve into armed camps of "Us" vs.

"Them", the longtime members have to take some type of responsibility for

training the next generation of SCAdians.  If we don't, *someone* will

make our newcomers feel welcome, and it just might be the beer-swigging

bunnyfur barbarians that we don't talk to either.  If we *do*, there are

rewarding relationships to be formed with people who are still excited

about the things that caught our imagination when we first found this

company many years ago.


   Sarra Graeham, Canton of Greyfells    |  Heather Fraser

   Barony of the Skraeling Althing       |  Kingston, Ontario, CANADA

   Principality of Ealdormere, Midrealm  |  c/o dicksnr at qucdn.queensu.ca



From: aluko at leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Goldschmidt)

Date: 16 Oct 91 22:28:14 GMT

Organization: Stanford, Pren Tal, Mists, West


In article justin at inmet.camb.inmet.COM (Justin du Coeur MKA Mark Waks) writes:

>We *do* usually tell them that they should go get a name posthaste, and

>recommend pretty strongly that getting a device is A Good Thing. Indeed,

>some people make it sound like the novice should get themselves a name

>before even contemplating participation in the Society.


I'm not sure who "we" are in this excerpt.

My own recommendations would be:

(1) Choose a GIVEN name before your second SCA gathering and have it

   checked at your first opportunity, to see if it will be registerable;

   or, even better, choose it with the help of a name-herald.

(2) Don't worry about the REST of your name (or trying to register

   it) until you have been active for a year or so or you

   need to register a device.

(3) Register your DEVICE before sewing a banner or painting a shield,

   or when you are granted arms (or expect to be soon).


There is no reason for someone to consult on a device at their first

event; indeed, it may be a turn-off for some newcomers.  However,

newcomers usually need immediate attention from the heralds to help

them choose authentic GIVEN names, unless they are going to go around

using an unofficial nickname (or their legal given name) for the rest

of their days in the SCA.  A GIVEN name is virtual requirement for any

kind of social activity in the Society, and it is very hard to change

once it becomes known.  Believe it or not, a given name that sounds

perfectly good to modern ears may turn out to be a problem when you go

to register your full SCA name later.





From: SAUNDRSG at QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Graydon)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Newcomers

Date: Mon, 06 Sep 93 13:35:57 EDT

Organization: Queens University at Kingston


tbarnes at silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes) writes:

>        Do people have any ideas on how to integrate new folks into an

>established group or for how to make new people feel welcome?

Well, the short answer is to find them something to do that they think

is fun a few times, and they'll stick thereafter if they're interested.

The longer sugguestion is to run a garb making session (it helps to

have someone volunteer to go cloth shopping with them, too), and to

get one or two experienced people to do 'Event Enjoyment 101' (calling

it 'event survival' can give entirely the wrong impression!)

The topics I cover in EE101 are - this is not a clique, if you don't

talk to people, they assume you *want* to be sitting quietly in the

corner; the existence of all the sub-groups who do specific things;

the constraint of reality (if you're going to claim it, you have to

do it, too); and that participation in everything is volunatary (no

one can do everything, so look around and try stuff until you find

something that you like; people who insist that you *must* (who

aren't running the event) may well be having a politeness leak).




From: sclark at epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Newcomers

Date: 6 Sep 1993 14:22:36 -0400

Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto



        As a person who just finished up a spell as my group's chatelaine,

here's a few things I found work:


        1. For transplants,the main problem will probably be the one of

        fitting into a new group after being well-established in

        another one.  These folks will probably not need all the info a

        rank newcomer will,  but they should be made to feel welcome

        and become acquainted with your group (size, barons n' stuff, who

        does what, etc.) A good way to get acquainted is to ask 'em stuff

        about their old group and what they did in it.  As soon as you

        find out their interests, let them know of practices, cool people

        to talk with....and find a way to let them start using their talents.


        2. New people are going to need a variety of things.  Af I usually

        give them the basic intro (format of meetings, basic philosophy,

        etc.), let them use the Known World Handbook, and then ask them

        if they have any particular interests.  I then send them to folks

        who can help them get involved with these interests.


        For both groups, the most important thing is making them feel welcome.

        This means that if you're showing them around at a meeting, you

        don't abandon them and go talk to your friends, and it also means

        introducing them by name to as many people as you can.  Offerrs

        of help in making garb or finding gear is also nice.


        Of course, orienting newcomers should not be just one person's job.

        You probably know who the people in your group are who are friendly,

        helpful, knowledgeable, etc. are and who those are upon whom you

        should never foist an unsuspecting newcomer.


Hope this helps.



sclark at eps.utoronto.ca



Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Newcomers

From: mlitchfield at pimacc.pima.edu (R. Michael Litchfield)

Date: 7 Sep 93 22:00:35 -0700


tbarnes at silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes) writes:

>      Do people have any ideas on how to integrate new folks into an

> established group or for how to make new people feel welcome?


If you are really serious about it you should take a look at why you keep

losing them. Usually it is not something you can do anything about, either they

don't know why they left or can't explain it, or what they object to is so

pandemic or entrenched in the society that you can't change it. In any event it

might be worth talking to some of the newbies that walked away and find out



If you want to work on some of the symptoms because you can't do anything about

the problem there are a couple of things you can try that might help.


a) Have an established member adopt each newbie. Give the newbs someone who

will look out for them and someone they can goto for help. Someone who will

help them get to events, help them do things at the event and to get them

involved in the local groups activities. The drawbacks with this are a tendancy

to involve the newbie in the political pissing fights of thier mentors and a

serious problem if the newbie nd mentor don't click.


b) Take them shopping. Have someone take the newbie out shopping to get all the

things they will need to play in the society. Feast gear, garb or cloth for

garb (if you just get bard you have to stay with them until it gets made into

garb, and not just t-tunics and gypsy pants), camping gear, things for keeping

busy, etc. You have to be honest with them and tell them that this is an

expensive time consuming process, figure at least $100 and two weeks at a dead

minimum, and probably more of both.


c) Give them something to do. THey need to have something to do during the day

at events (Helping, music, crafts, games, fighting, drinking), something to do

during the night (dancing, music, sucking up to brasshats, drinking), and

something to do when they are home (fighter practice, Arts, Crafts, political

bullshit, drinking). Ideally they should get a chance to try as many possible

things as they can so they can see what they like.


d) Try to encourage a cameraderie amoung the newbies, so that they have a peer

network. The society can be an increadibly unfriendly place so it REALLY helps

to have someone who you know and can talk to.


e) COMMUNICATION! A monthly newletter is not enough, make a special point of

calling each newbie and tellign them about anything going on they might be

interested, offer them rides, TALK to them.


>      Lothar \|/





From: mittle at panix.com (Arval d'Espas Nord)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Newbie Meetings: any ideas?

Date: 3 Oct 1994 15:40:07 -0400

Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC


Greetings from Arval! Gwenfrewi Afonlyn asked:

> I'm from the Shire of Afonlyn, Muncie, IN, and I was wondering if

> any of you kind gentles floating on the electronic sea might have

> suggestions or ideas about newbie meetings.


To start with, don't call them "newbie meetings".  "Newbie" is a cacaphonic

word, and can be off-putting.  And it is neither medieval nor

medieval-sounding. Try "newcomer".


The best way to get people interested in the Society is to get them doing

something interesting.  At every meeting, your shire should do something

real: a workshop, a dance practice, a bardic circle.  Hold a class at every

meeting, and invite in the best artisans from neighboring groups to teach.

Make something at the meeting: Get your local brewer to come lead a

workshop that actually ends up with a five-gallon batch of beer.


This approach will show newcomers what we really do, expose everyone to

more arts and activities, encourage people to meet one another and work

together, and create an incentive to finish the bloody business meeting

quickly. Start the meeting at 7:00 and schedule the class for 8:00.  If

the meeting isn't done at 8:00, remind the officers that the Society is for

_doing_ stuff, not talking about it.


Arval d'Espas Nord                                         mittle at panix.com



From: sclark at epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Carroll-Clark)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Newbie Meetings: any ideas?

Date: 3 Oct 1994 23:44:19 GMT

Organization: University of Toronto -- EPAS



        More than any other one factor, what will get newcomers to stay

is one-on-one contact.  As it's commonly said, we're

all deputy chatelaines.  When I first joined,  many people went out

of the way to say "hello" and make me feel comfortable.  They found

out what I was interested in and introduced me to contact people.

The seneschal loaned me a Known World Handbook, which I (keener that I was)

read cover to cover one evening.  Another thing that

is useful this time of year is where we go around the room, introduce

ourselves, and say what we're interested in or working on--sometimes

with show and tell items.  Finally, rather than a meeting, IxD suggest

getting the new folks to their first event ASAP.  If it is next week,

loan them gear.  If it is next month,  help them sew their first gab.

If someone takes each newcomer as their charge at the

first event, being there to explain what court is and to answer other

such questions.




Canton of Eoforwic

sclark at epas.utoronto.ca



From: corun at access1.digex.net (Corun MacAnndra)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Newbie Meetings: any ideas?

Date: 3 Oct 1994 19:43:07 -0400

Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA


Deny thyself the spoils of personal licentiousness. <00eenepsa at bsuvc.bsu.edu> wrote:




>tad dry and the attrition rate is getting unsightly.  Does anyone

>have any suggestions?  Experiences?  Ideas?


In the Greater Storvik/Ponte Alto area, we hold what is known as the

Sumposion Oikomenikon. Don't ask me who thought up the name, but it's

loosely referred to as Y'all Come To The Party. I took over hosting

these in my home in Storvik after the previous host was stricken by

a serious bout of Mundanitis, and the meetings lapsed. In short, there

are two meetings held each month for newcomers, and I have been working

with the folks in Ponte Alto (we used to be one Big Barony, but the

DC, Suburban Maryland, and Norhtern Virginia area is sooooo big, that

a split was necessary), and we discuss the same topic on both sides

of the river (that's the Potomac), so that if anyone misses one meeting,

they can go to the next one.


What follows is a list of the subjects we've covered in the last year

or so:


        Beginning Garb and Accessories

        Camping in the SCA

        Martial Arts in the SCA: Archery, Duello and Heavy

        Household Structure, Awards, and What to do in Court

        Choosing a Personal Device, and Other SCA Heraldry

        Arts and Sciences: What are They

        How to Get Involved in the Society and What to do at Events

        History and Geography of the Society

        Choosing a Name and Persona


We ask various of the oldtimers who are well versed in these topics

to come in and talk about them and answer questions. Our newcomers

go away with a sense of accomplishment and enthusiasm for new projects.

The pizza people make a bundle, and everyone's happy.


You might want to bandy this idea about at your next business meeting,

but be forwarned, you'll probably end up taking on the task by default.

You know how these things work ("What a great idea. Why don't you organize

it"). ;-) Just remember, have fun with it.




   Corun MacAnndra   |

Dark Horde by birth |        Marion Barry....a mayor with conviction.

   Moritu by choice  |                           seen on a bumper sticker in DC



From: folo at prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Newcomer Seminars (Was: Newbie Meetings...)

Date: 3 Oct 1994 22:52:13 GMT

Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


While walking that thin line between informative and just plain

boring at our newcomer meetings, we have found one thing to be

extremely effective, and that is The Free Handbout. We have,

in the course of our meetings, handed out one-page flyers about

attending an event, going to your first feast, basics of heraldry

(really basic), a map of the area and a worksheet for the

newcomer's period impression.


On the other hand, we tried something new at our first meeting

of the semester this year: a quiz about SCA history (nothing

big, just things like "Who won the last Pennsic?", questions

that would open up new areas of thought), with the idea that

newcomers would ask older members, get to know the older

members (there is always a sort of segregation of new and old

members) and find out information painlessly. We gave a copy of

Merald's SCA poster as the prize. Unfortunately, only a couple

of people tried it; one person who wanted the prize completed

the form very quickly, and everyone else just sort of forgot it.

Chalk up one bad idea.


We also have a local-oriented handbook (called _The Newbie

Handbook_, a title that I initially had troubles with but which

the newcomers did not see as any sort of a pejorative). We

started out handing free copies but found that *anyone* would

take the free copy whether se was interested or not; we have

since put a $1 fee (which does not cover costs) on it, and that

minimal charge has seen it going only to persons who are truly



Yrs, Folo


Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - folo at prairienet.org

Baron Wurm Wald (MidRealm) - Commander Baldwin's (NWTA)



Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:43:46 -0500

From: maddie teller-kook <meadhbh at io.com>

To: ansteorra at eden.com



Wendy Erisman wrote:

> I would also be interested in hearing what other groups do to get newcomers

> involved. Do you have formal activities like classes, revels, or newcomers'

> households, or is it all done on an informal one-on-one basis?


I know I am new to Bryn Gwlad but, I can speak about what went on in



Every fall and winter, different members of the barony would host

newcomer households.  Since Houston is so large, several would be

scheduled. The 'host' would arrange for different members of the group

to come talk about fighting, arts and sciences, the organization,

clothes, culture and history, etc.  After about 1-2 months a newcomers

revel was held---this gave everyone a taste of what an event is like.

This was done if no local event was already scheduled.  IF the group

already had an event on the calendar....the 'host' would take their new

comer's household as a group to the event.  This way, the newcomer had a

contact person, got introduced to other members of the barony and the

transition was less stressful.  It is much easier to go to an event when

you know a few people.  


Now that I live here in Bryn Gwlad, I too would like to see a

'newcomer's household' or meetings set up to assist new people.





From: Leslie Miller <Miller at pp.okstate.edu>

Organization: Oklahoma State University Phys Plnt

To: ansteorra at eden.com

Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:34:52 -0600

Subject: Next generation


HL Octavia de Verdon said:

> I wholeheartedly agree that newcomers should be greeted and made to feel

> wanted.  Everyone needs to feel accepted.

> But some folks are better about speaking to strangers than others.  Contray

> to popular belief, I am very shy and feel uncomfortable around people I don't

> know.  While I work very hard at this "quirk", many times I just don't feel

> up to it.  Now if that makes me a BAD OLDTIMER well so be it.!  I'm willing

> to bet that there are many of us out there.  


Thank you, Octavia, for saying what I have been thinking throughout

this discussion.  I have held many offices in my shire, but

hospitaler is not one of them, and there's a reason for that.  I am

*extremely* uncomfortable talking to strangers most of the time.  

It's not something that comes easily to me, and frankly, it's not

something that I'm particularly good at.


I realize that this does not relieve me of my responsibility to be

open and friendly to newcomers (and yes, I do think of it as a

responsibility, particularly as an officer), and I do try.... but

people should understand that some of us oldtimers may appear a bit

distant and unfriendly not because we don't care, and not because

we're really snooty and clique-ish, but rather because we're simply

shy and uncomfortable around strangers.  That's not an excuse; just

an explanation.


One thing my shire does occasionally is introduce everyone at

populace meetings.  I don't know if this would be feasible for large

groups, but it seems pretty effective in a smaller setting.  It gives

newcomers a chance to introduce themselves in a formalized setting

and announce that they are new, if they so desire.  (Sometimes I

think newcomers are overlooked simply because people who attend

meetings off and on may not realize that they *are* newcomers,

especially if they show up in garb and look like they have a clue

about what is going on.)  I don't know if I wouldn't find

this a bit intimidating, personally, but it does give everyone their

moment in the spotlight with an opportunity to learn names and faces.


HL Gunhilda



From: chuck_diters at mail.fws.gov

Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 09:34:50 -0700

To: <ansteorra at eden.com>

Subject: Re[2]: Badges and Terms


   A few days ago I mentioned our annual Eskalyan Newcomers event on this

   list, and the discussion of "badges and terms" brings to mind another

   little thing we do at that event.  It is certainly not a _period_

   activity (in fact, it steals shamelessly from party ice-breakers and

   some team-building seminar behaviors), but it does tend to (a) get our

   newborn cousins involved; (b) get our populace--at least the

   officers--involved; and (c) provide some background and recognition of

   the structure, function, and regalia of the Society.


   At the beginning of the event (and whenever any newcomer enters

   through Constable's Point--which is also staffed by the Chatelaine or

   a deputy) a contest is announced, asking all the new to collect

   "Pearls of Wisdom" {sorry ;-) } by seeking information from the

   officers and populace.  The officers in turn are all identified by

   (rather gaudy representations of) their badges of office, and both

   they and the populace are armed with a pouchful of (plastic) pearls.  

   There is an additional increment of pearls available to all newcomers

   who complete a form (sorry again) with the names and offices of all of

   the officers along with a two or three word description of their

   functions.  [In this latter, neatness does not count, no points are

   taken off for spelling, and any reasonable approximation of the right

   answer is rewarded.]


   These pearls are then used as currency in an auction prior to the

   prize tournament.  The successful bidder (occasionally "bidders," in

   the case of a couple or family who have wisely pooled their resources)

   for the fighter who ultimately wins the prize tourney is invited to

   join that fighter at high table for feast, along with the Baron and



   There are other twists, but that's the general idea.




   Chuck Diters/Bjarni Edwardsson                     West/Oertha/Eskalya

   Shadowood Manor, 9541 Victor Road, Anchorage, AK 99515-1470

   ph:  (907)344-5753                    Email: chuck_diters at mail.fws.gov



From: njones at ix.netcom.com

Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:16:38 -0500

To: ansteorra at eden.com



On the topic of newcomer's revels:

> What a terrific idea. It gives someone new a chance to show their stuff.

> It also gives a new member a sense of belonging and contributing to the

> group.


When I got into the SCA not too many years ago, Bjornsborg had a very

active Hospitaler.  She arranged classes on general SCA topics and had

"experts" in that area come and give talks about it (ex. Mari and

Ragnar gave the class on personna.)  


After a few months, we had a Newcomer's Event as just a local weekend

thing. But, instead of her doing the organizing, we were in charge.

I was the autocrat, Matilde' Bro:tbaker was the feast person.  It was

very well attended by the barony, we had cool prizes for the winner

of the light and heavy lists and went on to have a great revel at

the hospitaler's home.  The party lasted until four in the morning!


I like to think that doing that event started me out on the path

I am on now in the SCA.  A path of doing service, entertaining, and

having a great time socializing.






Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:28:49 -0500

From: margali <margali at 99main.com>

Subject: Re: SC - paid reservations?


> Part and parcel of the reservations question is the issue of

> cancellations. Ideally they should be made in advance, as far in advance

> as possible, in fact. However, in an imperfect but all too real world,

> they are sometimes made on the morning of the event. Frequently someone

> will show up at the check-in and say that their friend, Lord or Lady

> Stickinthemud, will be unable to attend, and the porter, troll, etc.,

> should please feel free to sell that seat elsewhere. Sometimes event

> staff will allow reservations to be transferrable, in a case where a

> group has made a reservation for several people, have a cancellation,

> and then wish to invite someone else in place of the person who couldn't

> make it. One might argue that the people on a waiting list should have

> right of first refusal in such cases. Sometimes they do, sometimes

> not.

> Adamantius


In my household, we often have the custom of 'buying' an entire table,

on the basis of the habit we have developed of convincing people we know

mundanely into coming and trying an event at no cost to them, garb,

feast, feastgear and all. for a couple of very lean years we had to stop

the practice, but we are getting back into it. We have never really had

trouble with any autocrat-we explain at the time we make reservations

what we are doing-only once did we have to resort to making 'lord doe

and lady ewe' reservations. it is also great if we run into any new

people who wander by and like what they see...I think that over the past

15 years, we have gotten about 70-75 people to join up.





Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:56:29 MST

From: "Genevieve de Courtanvaux" <gdc at airmail.net>

Subject: Re: ANST - old problem, new format (was: anonymous post about website)

To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>


>Good advice.  I think telling people to contact the Hospitaller or Seneschal

>on any website or "newbie" publication is a good idea, too.  That way they

>know at least somebody who can show them the ropes.



A point to your advice.....keep in mind that a newcomer will not know what a

seneschal is nor that by contacting a hospitaller they will be contacting

the person in charge of newcomers. So, if you have a web page for your

Barony, Shire, or Canton you might want to add to the tittle of hospitaller

something like "newcomers contact".


Genevieve de Courtanvaux



From: "Celeste Courtenay de Montmorency" <montomorency at hotmail.com>

To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: ANST - Newcomer Maintenance Programs....

Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 03:48:15 CDT


I am Lady Celeste Courtenay de Montmorency of the Barony of Eldern Hills.

Sometime in the beginning of my time as hospitaler I did a mentor program.

The barony put requirements on the mentors that I could use. They said that

mentors had to have been in the SCA for over three years. They also had to

already have their AOAs. There was another requirement but I don't remember

what it was. I perfectly understand their reasons for doing this but it

caused a lot of problems. It severely limited the number of people that I

could use. The way the program worked is that I would match a newcomer with

a mentor based on their interests. For example, I tried to match someone

interested in cooking with someone who was known for medieval cooking. This

was a good idea on the surface. It didn't work because I only had about 5

people at that time that I could use for mentors. The result was that I

would have too many people assigned to one mentor. It was just too much. We

just discussed having this program again and trying it a different way. We

are going to discuss it in more detail at our next officer's meeting. After

that, I'll let you know the details.


I used to have newcomer's meetings twice a month. I don't anymore because no

one was showing up. It's hard around here to match schedules when a decent

number of people can actually make guild meetings.


                     Lady Celeste

                Hospitaler of the Barony of Eldern Hills



From: "Donna Wallis" <mama_mac at airmail.net>

To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: ANST - Newcomer Maintenance Programs....

Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:18:13 -0500


From: <DonnelShaw at aol.com>

> Talk to house Mac. they had/have the best newcommers program I have seen.


Thank you, Donnel.


House Mac an Ghabhann is the welcoming committee (because a member of House

Mac "usually" holds the office of Hospitaler) from the Canton of Loch Ruadh

within the Barony of Elfsea.


We take a newcomer by the hand to meetings, workshops, fighter practices,

events and Court.  Generally this person is paired up with someone who has

the same interests.  This is usually figured out after a populace meeting.

We always go for coffee after our meeting and newcomer's are always issued a

"special invitation" to join us.  This is important because, when I first

became interested in the SCA I felt very much like an intruder!  So we that

extra effort to include newcomers and make them feel welcome.  We not only

answer questions, we also ask questions. This let's a newcomer know "you"

are interested in them.


We then make sure they have a local newsletter, the calendar along with

names and phone numbers is important.  We also make sure we have their

contact information.  We call to remind them of upcoming meetings.


We make sure they are ready for that first event.  We help them gather

and/or furnish garb, feast gear, and if camping, camping gear.  Troll/gate

is a scary place for newcomers, if you haven't explained all those blanks

they are expected to fill-in!!!  We try to hold  their hands until they feel

comfortable going out on their own.


I could go on and on....my best advice is:   remember what it was like to be

a newcomer,  we were all there once.


Dana Mac Ghabhann

AKA  Mama Mac



Subject: Re: ANST - Hospitler Stuff

Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:57:37 -0600

From: "Chiara" <chiara at io.com>

To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>


Web wise I would suggest that each local group create their own webpage for

the hospitaler that talks about the area. Where to buy fabric is number one,

leather, metal, wood, fighting supplies in general follow. We made one for

the steppes area that tells newcomers where all our fabric shopping can be

found. I am still waiting for other sources of shopping for the other areas

of interest based on the emails from our newcomers and what they ask for

when we are face to face. After that there is a general faq compiled from

other questions that they actually ask. This is the foothold that launches a

good number of them to show up already garbed and supplied. It is just



On the face to face interaction I have noticed a trend in demos not being as

popular to announce and attend sca wide. I am not sure why that is. But on

that note the Texas Irish Festival is just around the corner, please come by

and help out if you can. Contact Michelle Hanson <bmhanson at airmail.net> :)



Franchesca Havas

McKinney, Texas


From: "gtaylor" <gtaylor at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

> I'm soliciting feedback on Hospitaler issues.

> Anybody have any ideas that will help us attract and retain new folks?

> Also...there are two hospitaler pages.  The one is for the new folks

> themselves.

> http://www.ansteorra.org/regnum/hospitaler/

>  The second is for hospitalers (it's a little out of date...but has good

> info for folks to grab for distribution).  Since we all really should be

> greeting and providing info for new people, this page is for you, too.

> Of particular interest may be the one html page that can be attached as

> an html document to emails...and comes up as a very pretty "Intro to

> Ansteorra and the SCA" info page...

> http://www.ansteorra.org/regnum/hospitaler/hospitalers.html

> Isobel



Subject: [Ansteorra] Helping the newcomer survive.. (was Ansteorran Digest)

Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:42:40 -0600

From: <iainmacc at juno.com>

To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>


On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:38:48 EST Gormlaith4444 at aol.com writes:

> I have a few suggestions to help the Society assimilate new members.

>  One,

> all members "including nobility," might help out by volunteering to become a

> mentor.  Perhaps people who have been in the Society for 3 years or more

> would be the best candidates. Mentors could be available to new folks for

> questions, helping them to understand the rules and culture of this wondrous

> game we play.


        I was thinking earlier when I saw a reference to "making the

nobles more accessible" that it would probably be more accurate (and more

helpful) to say, "making the experienced members more accessible". We all

try to serve The Dream in our own way, but sometimes it's far too easy to

forget that that confused person in mundanes, watching from a distance at

fighter practice, is often the future of the Dream we serve. Further,

once we get him/her into garb and to an event, it's difficult to pick

him/her out from the old dinosaurs that have been here since dirt was

new. But just because he/she is hard to spot now doesn't make them any

less confused. They need to have someone they can go to with their

questions. They need to be able to find that person easily. If a newcomer

has met perhaps a dozen people at fighter practice, and now is at his

first event (Steppes Warlord, 800+ people on site, huge acreage of the

Canton site), he is almost certainly lost. It's one thing to CHOOSE to

run loose and learn on your own, it's another to be completely adrift and

have no refuge from the bewilderment of it all.

        With all due respect to the Hospitalers, at any but the smallest

events, the job is simply too big for a single individual, no matter what

resources they may have.


> Mentors can help with damage control as well.  We loose many new members due

> to the fact there are not many folks willing to run damage control. Even

> though I had a strong desire to play, I was discouraged many many times by

> thoughtless individuals, and sometimes by the nastiness of politics


        I don't want to sound as if I am disagreeing, but this seems to

me an area to be very careful. When asking people to run damage control,

a poor choice can result in more damage than was done to begin with. Yes,

we need people to do this. But it's difficult to do well, and we cannot

afford to have it done poorly.


> New comer involvement is one of the strongest tools we have in helping people

> become interested in playing and sticking around to play some more. However,

> it can be very difficult for a new comer to be brave enough to stick their

> necks out and be the ones to always pursue Society involvement.  I remember a

> few times being brave enough to stick my neck out and I got it cut off.  It


        I've seen this happen. What to me was worse was when I moved to a

new Kingdom, a new Barony, went to fighter practice.... I'll avoid naming

anyplace. They welcomed me, told me they were glad to see me, asked me

for my address, apologized for not having a local newsletter to give me

right then, swore they would get one out to me... and I never heard

another word. I went back to fighter practice 4 times over the course of

8 months and had this happen to me every single time. It resulted in a 5

year haitus from the SCA for me. I cannot express how wonderful it was to

come back to Ansteorra, where I knew there were ways I could actually

find out things. Had I been a newcomer at the time, instead of having

already had over 10 years in the SCA, that response would have driven me

away permanently.


        Granted, this was before internet access was common, which helps

to alleviate the problem somewhat. I believe the fact remains, however,

that following up on newcomer contacts is something that is vital to

making those new people feel accepted and at home. It is unreasonable to

expect the Hospitaler to be at every demo and every fighter practice.

They have mundane lives, they go to events, they get sick, they have

weddings and holidays. The average guy at fighter practice needs to have

the resources to cover this. Either that, or every Hospitaler needs to

have at least 2 or 3 deputies.


> might be logical to say that new folks should come up to people and say "hi

> my name is...."  It is not reality.  Many new comers hang back


        I agree. "Peer fear" is something experienced by people who have

been in the SCA for years, we certainly can't expect newcomers to be

immune to it.


> This does not mean new comers should be overwhelmed with work and

> responsibility, more than anything that can burn folks out and run them off.

> Mentors can help new folks keep from biting off more than they can chew.

> Mentors can help new players become involved in an interest rather it be

> fighting, dancing, A&S, etc. Guild involvement could be a great tool in

> helping new people become involved in a fun way, and most important, have a

> reason to stay involved.  Guilds might be a great source to look for possible

> mentors.  Cooperation use mentors to acclimate new employees, why not use the

> same strategy to increase our own Society's membership and active

> involvement.


        Good points. Chief among them, I think, is this: The new guy sees

everyone he knows running themselves ragged at events (most people's

first event is a "home" event I think, so all his new friends are at

least the hosting branch, if not actually event staff) and having the

time of their lives. He doesn't want to be a distraction to these people

who are working, yet he doesn't know how to help without taking someone

away from what they are doing, so they can tell him what he can do. If he

has the spirit that makes him want to be in there helping in the first

place, then "Don't worry about it, just sit back and play this time

around, we've got it covered" is not a satisfactory answer for him. While

I hate to suggest yet another position for event staff (since there

doesn't seem to be a group anywhere without manpower problems at events)

perhaps if there was one person whose job was to tell interested new

people what they could do to be helpful, to feel like "part of the team",

it might help keep them interested AND help with the manpower crush into

the bargain.


> What about a quick questionnaire or interview of new people who have been

> around for a year or so?  Wouldn't it be nice to hear from new members what

> we did right to help keep them around?  What valuable information

> that would be!


        I think it would be priceless, myself.


> have been

> here, in my new home, there has been only 2 people who have actually shown

> any interest in my participation. It would be nice to have a mentor

> available here to help become established and involved in a new group and I

> am a long standing paid member. What I am trying to say is, sometimes, it

> takes a little more than just "hi, welcome, heres some information for you to

> read," to get people involved and stay involved.


        Another good point, and another reason why I think that this

really can't be the Nobles'/Peerage's job. Much of the Nobility and the

Peerage has other demands on their time. When you subtract those who are

holding lands, teaching students, holding offices, mentoring people for

larger jobs like event steward, etc. etc. (usually 2 or more of the

above), you probably don't have all that many left. And while being

called into Court can be fun, it cannot give you the feeling of, "yeah,

I've met him, he's a good guy" that sitting around a fire gabbing for an

hour or two can give you. If a newcomer is feeling lost at an event, I'd

bet he'll be much more likely to go to the guy he talked to for an hour

at fighter practice, rather than to the Baroness he talked to for 30 or

40 seconds at populace meeting. Even if "Peer fear" were not a factor,

the Nobles' previous commitment of their time and attention, combined

with human nature drawing people toward those they  already know a little

better, would make it more difficult and less effective for much of the



        The bottom line is that I may respect the officer, and I may lay

down my life for him, but there are just some jobs that are really better

done by a sergeant.


              Iain MacCrimmon



Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Newcomer help

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:27:36 -0700 (MST)

From: Audette des Grenouilles<audette at sapheron.org>

To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>


One of the things that I have heard newcomers lament about is that they do

not _know_ they can just start asking questions.  They worry about asking

the wrong thing, or bothering the wrong person.


It can be very intimidating at your first encounter, because everyone

seems to know each other, and they all appear to be a cohesive group, with

you on the outside.


It can be very helpful to have people at practices and demos who will walk

up to newcomers and ask if there is anything they'd like to learn about.

By doing this it allows them to understand that they can just start asking

about anything they see.


Before moving to Ansteorra, the barony I resided in had a _very_

enthusiastic voluteer to do this, and she did an amazing job of helping

newcomers feel much more comfortable and welcomed.  She attended all the

practices, events, and demos she could. She had prepared information

sheets, and there were at least several people in each area she could call

over to help explain the particulars of a style of fighting or a type of

handicraft.  She had lists of contact information for people willing to

assist newcomers.


Mostly, though, she was there to talk to people who saw what we were doing

and were curious.  She helped them find the answers to questions they

didn't know how to ask.


Timid or quiet newcomers could be greatly assisted by sca members

approaching them, rather than assuming they will speak up when they are

curious enough.


Audette des Grenouilles



Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Newcomer help

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:49:40 -0800 (PST)

From: Mahee<mahee_of_acre at yahoo.com>

To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>


> One of the things that I have heard newcomers lament about is that

> they do not _know_ they can just start asking questions.  They worry

> about asking the wrong thing, or bothering the wrong person.

> It can be very intimidating at your first encounter, because everyone

> seems to know each other, and they all appear to be a cohesive group,

> with you on the outside.


The easiest way I have found to make people feel at home is have them

join me for feast. I do not know how many feast I have shared my table

with a newcomer, but it has always been rewarding and I think all of

them are still active players instead of just onetimers.


It is what you would do to bring somebody into your family at home, so

do it at events as well...it works.





Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Newcomer help

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:03:27 -0600

From: LEE A LEMONS<lalemons at flash.net>

To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>


> The easiest way I have found to make people feel at home is have them

> join me for feast. I do not know how many feast I have shared my table

> with a newcomer, but it has always been rewarding and I think all of

> them are still active player instead of just onetimers.

> It is what you would do to bring somebody into your family at home, so

> do it at events as well...it works.

> mahee


I agree, Mahee!  Ask a newcomer to sit with you at feast!  If it is during

the day, ask them to join you in whatever activity you're doing (shameless

plug for charter painting), and so on.  I never really felt a part of a

group or an event until I was actually involved in an activity, whether

working in the kitchen cutting up vegetables, someone showing me how to

throw an ax, or if the person just took the time to find out what I was

interested in and managed to direct me to someone who could help me out.


The loneliest time at an event, for me, was at feast.  No one to sit with,

everyone seemed to be in some household or group, and all the table spaces

were reserved for someone else.  For the truly shy people in our Society,

feast  is just a horrible time and usually the time to go home.  Please

don't assume someone has a place to sit or someone to be with, even if they

look like they have been playing forever. Ask, ask, ask!  : )





Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: SCA Online Demo

From: Robert Uhl <eadmund42 at NOSPAMgmail.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:13:20 -0600


I saw <http://www.scademo.com/>; recommended on the tribe.net SCA group

<http://sca.tribe.net/>;; it's a pretty decent little introduction to the

SCA, or at least the bits of it which I've read are.


Guthlac of Caerthe



From: Sandy Straubhaar <orchzis at hotmail.com>

Date: July 5, 2006 11:15:36 AM CDT

To: bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] Newcomers & Guilds


Anna wrote:

> Guilds can play a large role in helping newcomers. They can be a much

> less intimidating experience than talking to Mistress Sir Spiffy at

> PiP about 16th century embroidery, as you have folks at all skill

> levels doing all kinds of things, and if something someone is doing

> is particularly interesting, you can get a lot more individualized

> attention. Newbies should be referred to guilds early and often.


What she said.  If there hadn't been small gatherings in people's houses way

back in the day when I first started playing (before dirt was invented, when

Heck was a pup, insert random old-fogey phrase here) -- embroidery circles,

book discussions, sing-madrigals sessions, watch-a-movie-and-pick-it-apart

sessions, whatever (we didn't call 'em "guilds" yet), I wouldn't've stuck

around. I was never one for the big business meeting or big group meeting

outside of an event itself.  Yay guilds, for enthusiasm and camaderie!





From: tmcd at panix.com

Date: July 6, 2006 11:21:20 AM CDT

To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] Banner to welcome newcomers


I posted a question to the SCA Heralds list and got what I think is a

most sensible answer.


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 00:54:48 -0700

From: heather jones <heather.jones at EARTHLINK.NET>


Subject: Re: Banner to welcome newcomers


On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:37 PM, Tim McDaniel wrote:


> Barony in Ansteorra.  People want a banner to welcome newcomers to

> populace.  I don't see an SCA-wide or Ansteorran design.  Am I

> missing something?  Any suggestions?


I don't know if the intended purpose is similar, but after much

pointless designing of cutesy "newcomer logos", a number of Western

encampments have settled for a simple banner with the words "Visitors

welcome" to express an active invitation to new people to enter and

hang out in sunshades, pavilions, etc.  (It had to be pointed out with

some emphasis that it didn't do any good to designate a heraldic design

that symbolized newcomers since, by definition, they wouldn't have any

reason to know what it symbolized -- all the heraldry would be equally






From: Dragonetti <dragonetti at generich.com>

Date: August 26, 2006 5:01:33 PM CDT

To: "Ansteorra List (ansteorra at ansteorra.org)"  

<ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Cc: Barony of Elfsea <elfsea at lists.ansteorra.org>, DFT List  

<dragonsfire-tor at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: [Ansteorra] Helpful suggestion to engage newcomers


Greetings Dear Friends,


I am forwarding a message that appeared recently on the Grand Council list

where we are discussing ways the Board of Directors might encourage

membership. I think many groups, hospitalers, autocrats, etc, might  

benefit from this simple idea.


In the service of kingdom and crown, I remain,

Baron Armand Dragonetti

Grand Councellor

Appointed from Ansteorra


> -----Original Message-----

> From: Fiskr

> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:34 PM

> To: Grand Council Mailing List

> Subject: Re: [scagc-l] Membership discussion

> I found a great looking old box at Hobby Lobby. It was about 15" X 15"

> by 8" deep, and it had ten drawers. When I first got to an

> event I'd hunt down "hats" and Peers and get them to cough

> up, er, donate a token or favor or bauble or something, and I

> put one item in each drawer. Then I went on a newcomer hunt,

> asking EVERYBODY if they'd seen any first timers. Upon

> finding my quarry, I'd ask them to pick a drawer, any drawer

> (always making sure that each drawer was stocked with a

> favor). I told the new person that what they had was a gift

> freely given to them from someone at this event. Since we are

> a society of honor, the only proper thing to do was to thank

> the donor. Sadly, I'm an old man and don't recall just which

> person gave that gift, so you must approach everyone you

> meet, introduce yourself, and ask if they are the original

> owner of the favor. Heh.

> It was the most amazing ice breaker, and gave each new person

> a hand held reason to talk to anyone they fancied. I haven't

> done this in years, and suddenly wonder why.

> Fiskr, going off to search the garage for the old box...



To: Gleann Abhann (mail list) <gleannabhann at yahoogroups.com>

Subject: w: SCA Newcomers Kits challenge

Posted by: "David Backlin" edrei at smythkepe.org quiet2284

Date: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:06 am ((PDT))


----- Original Message -----

SCA Newcomers Kits challenge



Read the simple rules, and see if you can improve on the sheer cheapness and

awesomeness of the Feast kit or Heavy kit. Or, feel free to invent your own

Rapier Kit



Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 07:43:18 +1000

From: Zebee Johnstone <zebeej at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Lochac Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

        <lochac at lochac.sca.org>


On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Vilma Thompson <vlt at westnet.com.au> wrote:

<<< This was my first Rowany Festival, and although the "quad-bikes" were a bit

of a bother, we refer them as "the roaring of the dragon", and gave them no

more though. The team organizing the event was very good and there were only

minor incidents (that I was aware of). I did see quite a few people who were

"un-garbed" but as I was not one of the constables it was not my place to

challenge them. >>>


Perhaps not to challenge them but we should all be saying to such

people "Hello, can I help you?  Are you looking for someone?"


If they say they are "just looking" explain "This is a private party,

but we do welcome people who are willing to make a bit of effort to

fit in.  If you want to look around that's fine, but we ask you wear

some medieval clothes.  Shall I find someone who can lend you some?"

If they say yes, then take them to the troll tent.


If you see  people wandering about in mundane gear it isn't someone

else's job to talk to them, it's yours.


And we aren't about challenging them, we are about luring them to

their doom :)  So be alluring!  Invite them to play, tell them of the

very very small effort they will need to make, and if they aren't

willing to make it that's when you say "well it is a private party so

please leave now."  Most people will leave at that point, if they

don't that's when others have to get involved.


It isn't the constable's job to talk to people who have wandered in,

it is everyone's job.  Because you wouldn't be here if you weren't

enthusiastic about the SCA, and it's enthusiasts saying "Isn't it

great! Please, come and have fun with us!" that get new people in.





To: scanewcomers at yahoogroups.com

From: marlztone at yahoo.com

Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:49:03 +0000

Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Challenge Issued (West Kingdom)!!


At the Westermark Shipwrecked Madness event, I issued a challenge before those in attendance at Court. It is critically important to our Kingdom, Principalities and local Branches to continually bring in new people. As the years pass by, those of us with energy and innovative ideas need to learn and gain wisdom from those who have the cherished obligation to pass along their wisdom. We have a great deal of wisdom in our corner of the Known World.  Although we have some newness, innovation and energetic dreamers, we can always use more and more.


I Challenge ALL Baronies, Provinces, Shires, Cantons, Ridings, Colleges, Strongholds, and Ports in the West Kingdom to bring in our future generations. Bring in the elderly, bring in the youths, bring in everyone who has the potential to make our Kingdom and Society great!!


Every (local) group in the Kingdom of the West is encouraged to participate!! I will be presenting a prize to the Group that brings in the most (see below) to be presented to the Baron and Baroness or Seneschal and Chatelain (if not a Barony). There will also be a trophy of sorts to display the great work your group contributed to the Kingdom during the year. The "trophy" will be passed along to the winner of the next year's competition).


Here are the details:


This Competition begins and ends at Purgatorio Coronation. This year's competition begins at the previous Purg (2011) and ends at the next Purg (2012).


Bring in people and when they attend their 5th SCA event, send us their information (and your Branch Info) to be counted (see below).


Once we tally the numbers, we will announce and present the prize and trophy to the winning Branch. I encourage Royalty at all levels to add incentives to the deal, if they so wish.


Each person will count as 1 point. Paid Members of the SCA will count as an additional point. Those who, through their amazing acts of service and worth, are awarded an Award of Arms (or an award that conveys an Award of Arms) will count for an additional point. Any one person may count for a possibility of 3 Points total (one for attending their 5th event, another for also becoming a member of the SCA and another for becoming Armigerous.


To count at all, the new person must have attended their 5th event (even if they are already paid members and/or Armigerous).


If your Branch is sending us information for the first time, please include:


Branch Name:


Branch Level (Barony, Province, Shire, College, etc):


Branch Location (Cynagua, Mists, Oertha, Marches):


Baron and Baroness (Mundane and SCA if Barony):


Baron and Baroness's Contract (Email and Phone if Barony):


Seneschal Name (Mundane and SCA):


Seneschal Contact: (Email and Phone)


Chatelain Name (Mundane and SCA):


Chatelain Contact: (Email and Phone)


Please include the following information for those who you are submitting.  Remember that they must have attended 5 or more SCA events since Purg 2011 and before Purg 2012 to be counted this year.


SCA Name (if they have one):


Mundane Name:


Branch Name:


Paid SCA Member (Yes / No):


Armiger (AOA)(Yes / No):


Please send this info to: rivenoakbaron  at  yahoo . com / rivenoakbaron  at  gmail . com (please send to both)(the Baron, me) AND elevendytwo  at  gmail . com (Our Chatelain Muirgen)


If you have any questions, please let me know,


Seamus, Baron of Rivenoak


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