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From: IMC at vax2.utulsa.edu (I. Marc Carlson)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: re: New in the SCA

Date: 11 Jun 1995 16:44:58 -0500

>My wife and I have been in the SCA for only a year now.

>I must honestly say that I have not felt extremely welcome

>in general. It just seems to me that some of the older

>members that we/I have made small attempts at contact

>don't seem to want to have much to do with us.

>And to see some of the personal ridicule that has been

>bantered here can tend to make one start to lose heart over

>the whole of the organization....

As with any social organization, it is sometimes difficult for newer

people to become known. The older people are quite likely not "keeping

you out" as much as they are unsure what to do with you. In all likelyhood,

they were new people not that much earlier, and may not have had the Gods

of Social Graces descend upon them to bestow the title of "friendly" as yet

(to be honest, some of us have ditched those gods for quite some time).

Moreover, they may not have realized that they are anything other than

"just some member" whose job it is to step up and help out new people.

(I have a friend who had to have it pointed out to him that he was the

oldest member at the particular meetings he attended, and that the other

members were looking to *him* to lead them)

We've undergone a number of membership growths over the years, and often

the older people have faded away, and never bothered to TELL the newer

populace that they were now in charge...

>It tends to make me wonder

>if the older membership doesn't scorn my imperfectly sewn

>garb, the lack of intricate embellishment, ect.

If they scorn your sincere efforts, then they really aren't worthy of your

trying to get to know them, are they? OTOH, if they try and show you what

else you can be doing, be patient with them :).

Personally, I'm one of the fussier people I know about authenticity, but

I'm not going to tell you to change what you are doing, since that's not

my job. I'm only fussy about MY authenticity.

>Taliesin ap Cynedyr Wyllt; no accolades, no titles (Am I qualified

>to have an opinion here? :))

It's never stopped me...

"Mihi Satis Apparet Propter Diarmuit Ui Dhuinn

Se Ipsum Appetenda Sapientia" University of Northkeep

-- St. Dunstan Northkeepshire, Ansteorra

(I. Marc Carlson/IMC at vax2.utulsa.edu)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: pete at nyet.atl.ga.us (Pete Hardie)

Subject: Re: New in the SCA

Organization: Greyhaven

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 02:46:11 GMT

I. Marc Carlson <IMC at vax2.utulsa.edu> wrote:

>As with any social organization, it is sometimes difficult for newer

>people to become known. The older people are quite likely not "keeping

>you out" as much as they are unsure what to do with you. In all likelyhood,

>they were new people not that much earlier, and may not have had the Gods

>of Social Graces decend upon them to bestow the title of "friendly" as yet

>(to be honest, some of us have ditched those gods for quite some time).

>Moreover, they may not have realized that they are anything other than

>"just some member" whose job it is to step up and help out new people.

>(I have a friend who had to have it pointed out to him that he was the

>oldest member at the particular meetings he attended, and that the other

>members were looking to *him* to lead them)

One thing I have noticed at times about the 'old guard' is that they tend

to be a group that has a routine - they have been doing the same things

for several years now. They meet every week, and go to dinner after.

They attend fighter practice and go to eat afterwards. They go see

interesting movies together during the week. If they are gamers, they

game once on the weekend together.

This tends to make them somewhat insular, in that they have a habitual

set of activities that are self-contained, and they don't look outside

their group for new blood. And this tends to carry over into their

SCA attitude - they're not being rude, they just don't realize that

a new person might be waiting for an invite to join in a conversation,

or that they feel somewhat left out when the 'standing invitation'

is not explained to them.

[Disclaimer: This is not drawn from one group I've seen - it's

a generalization from several over the years]

Reynard

Pete Hardie, nanobrewer, amateur philosopher

pete at nyet.atl.ga.us

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: rorice at bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (rosalyn rice)

Subject: Re: Asking for advice

Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN

Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 05:13:05 GMT

How to find your niche in the SCA...

Hmmm...well, I started off by becoming friends with some of the local

people in my group and things got better from there. After that I discovered

my niche after a couple of years and settled in. Now I'm expanding out

from there.

This is the way that I did it, as a sometimes-still-shy person.

First, watch people. Eventually you will observe a group of people

who are doing something that interests you. Then, if you can stand to, ask

them questions about what they're doing and how you could get started.

Basically, you have to pick out people who look like your sort of people and

then find some way to interact with them.

Secondly, any relatively large group will have some sort of newcomer's

office. If you ask somebody to point you to the "Chatelaine" you might be

able to get slightly more focused advice on who does what.

As Cariadoc said, the SCA is many things to many people. For some

people it's a costume party, for others its a bacchanal, for yet others it's

a crafts workshop or an academic symposium, etc. Don't get discouraged if

you don't see your "niche" immediately. There are different "clubs" that

share the umbrella group name of "SCA". If you are a musician, you might

find a medieval consort or madrigal group. If you are interested in various

crafts, it is very likely that your craft has medieval origins or a roughly

analogous medieval practice. If you're into martial arts, there are several

different styles of martial arts in the SCA, etc.

If nothing appeals to you, or you aren't happy with the local

group, just use the local group as a contact point and do your own thing.

The SCA is as much a state of mind as an organization. There a lot of things

that you can do on your own without needing to socialize. Most SCA arts

and crafts can be done at home or in a small group, with only occasional

assistance from a more experienced artisan. (Of course, even the most solit-

ary worker enjoys meeting collegues and talking shop. That's why you should

keep in contact with the local group, they might be able to tell you if there

is an SCA event coming up which might appeal to you.)

I can't really give further advice since I don't know what your

interests are. I discovered, early on, that the shy bookish types usually

ended up being heralds or artisans of some sort (so I headed that way) while

the more athletic and party-oriented folk tended towards the martial arts.

This rule of thumb doesn't necessarily hold true, though. Your milage may

vary.

Another thing that I suggest, is that even if you don't like your

local SCA group, keep reading, and writing, on rec.org.sca (the Rialto). I

think that email is the best thing that ever happened to shy people, and the

common link that the Rialto gives us gives even the shyest person an

icebreaker and a potential friendship when Rialto-folk meet.

Also, the Rialto parties that I've been to have been (IMO) very

nice - just enough booze to loosen you up, but not enough to make you

sloppy, smart, creative people who like to talk but who will listen as

well, and NO DRUMS (just a soapbox in the corner).

Lothar

From: "T. Elkington" <telkingt at u.washington.edu>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: New member

Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 16:36:42 -0700

Organization: University of Washington

On 18 May 1996, Jennifer McAndrews wrote:

> Help! I am a new member who is having the devil of a time "breaking

> in" to the organization. Have contacted the new member contact who

> seems not at all interested in contacting me back. Any advice?

Jennifer,

I thought I would respond, if for no other reason than it doesn't seem

like anybody else has (unless I overlooked a response). I don't want you

to think the entire SCA is going to give you the same response as you have

received locally.

Without knowing where you are writing from, it is hard to say how to go

about "breaking in" to your local group. However, it seems that the

easiest way to get known in any group is too simply start showing up to

events, practices, whatever, and aggressively introducing yourself to

anyone and everyone. That is what I had to do when I moved from the

Barony of Loch Salann, Atenveldt, to the Barony of Madrone, An Tir. I

made sure I went to the local practices and introduced myself to at least

two people every practive. I was new, so I didn't have to worry about

mispronouncing the names of a well-known knight, or stepping on the toes

of the local peerage (literally and figuratively). Any stupid maneuver I

made, I could apologize and offer the fact that I was new to the are as

reason for my impertinence.

Also, I made sure to volunteer for local events and demonstrations. Even

though I knew that once my graduate classes started, I wouldn't have time

to come around much, a volunteer is an autocrat's favorite person. Get you

hands on a local schedule, find out when the next feast or event will be,

and call the autocrat to offer your help. I guarantee they won't say no,

and will probably call on you again the next time they are in charge.

You'll meet plenty of people, and then you are on your way.

I sympathize with feeling that nobody is willing to help you get into the

swing of things, but I'll let you in on a secret I learned about.

The older members in the SCA are often tired of seeing new members come

and go like mayflys, so they wait to see if you are going to stick around

before bridging the gap (especially, I have noticed, among fighters;

we've all seen the guy who wants to fight until he finds out he has to

make his own armor). The newer members in the SCA often feel that they

are not qualified to point you in the right direction or be of any help,

and so they hold off; I definitely count myself among that number. Be

patient and assertive, and everything else will fall in line.

I hope this helps.

Trevor Elkington

SCA: Thorstein Thorvaldsson

Barony of Madrone, An Tir

From: phefner200 at aol.com (PHefner200)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Newcomer seeks advice

Date: 19 Jun 1996 02:36:24 -0400

I overcame some of my shyness by becoming a water-bearer. I had to start

stepping up to fighters I'd never met in my life and saying "water,

milord?" Naturally the fighters were very appreciative--it wasn't long

before they started kissing my hand and performing other very chivalrous

deeds! It's how I got to know about a million fighters, and through them

other helpful people. Sometimes I still go to events and feel like I'm a

stranger, but then I'm still shy as heck. ---Isabelle

From: zarazena at io.com (Vicki Marsh)

To: ansteorra at eden.com

Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:01:44 -0600

Subject: Peer Fear

When I first started, I remember being intimidated by peers and nobility,

mostly because when I tried to talk to them, they weren't interested talking

to me.. Or so it seemed. I found that the men, in particular knights and

nobility, were gun-shy of nubile, married young ladies. They had enough of

the belt-chasers and throne-percjers. The women were generally too damn

busy to talk to anyone, or figured I was a fawning sycophant flesh-eater. I

got over this by volunteering for everything in sight and working at every

event I could.

I tried to keep in mind my days as a new person at this last Yule Revel.

There was a young lady (at her first event) that just wanted to talk, but

didn't have a clue. I didn't mind that, but she kept getting in the way as

I was trying to unload, set up tables, help my husband unload, take care of

out two little boys, etc. I tried to put her to work, but she just stood

there in the way, oblivious to the fact that we couldn't get the tables out

of the van with her standing, trying to talk to my very frazzled, very

polite, husband. I had to take her by the hand, and ask her to step back so

he could unload and move the van out of the road.

I kept saying to myself "This is her first event, this is her first

event..." as a mantra to prevent a shortening of my temper.

The moral of this vignette is: If you are new, offer to help, try to stay

out of the way of frazzled autocrats and nobility, and save the "Hi, I'm

new" introduction until the person you want to talk to looks like they have

a minute to spare. If they are in the middle of a conversation, don't just

barge in, wait at the edge of the "Private" zone, until recognized and

invited in. I really appreciate it when someone has the politeness to do

this, especially if they just say "When you have a moment, can we talk?".

The biggest thing is to volunteer, to help as much as possible. It will get

you more introductions, and get you involved faster that anything else.

Just my two bezants worth,

Zara Zina Theanos, Baroness of Elfsea

From: "Perkins" <lwperkins at snip.net>

Subject: Re: Things Neos Should Know

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Date: 24 Feb 97 14:55:04 GMT

> Things neos should know before going to their first event:

> Anyone have any additions?

> Audelindis de Rheims

Always wear comfortable shoes and bring extra socks.

-Ester

From: powers at woodstock.cis.ohio-state.edu (william thomas powers)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Things Neos Should Know

Date: 24 Feb 1997 10:55:32 -0500

Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science

> Things neos should know before going to their first event:

> Anyone have any additions?

> Audelindis de Rheims

When choosing fabric for garb; please consider flammability

When going to an event wear clothing suitable for the activities/climate

you will be in.

(I bring a forge to events and often have to tell people that I would

be happy to teach them to forge something----but that they would burn

like a torch if a spark hit them. I will let people opt to forge in

*clean* *fancy* clothing---if they own it!)

wilelm the smith who has seen more problems with garb and fire at the

feast table than at his forge!

From: djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Things Neos Should Know

Date: 24 Feb 1997 18:01:39 GMT

Organization: University of California at Berkeley

Gwenzilla <gwynfyd at sunspot.tiac.net> wrote:

>Don't forget to put candle(s) candleholder(s) and matches in that feast

>basket! In most cases (most!) it is good to be able to see what you are

>eating....

Yes, but check the newsletter to make sure candles are *permitted*

in the hall. (Not infreqently, even if the management don't fear

fire, they don't want you dripping candlewax on their tables and

floors.) If they are, then remember that you don't want to set

your own gear on fire either. Make sure your candleholders are

sturdy and bottom-heavy, and that the candles are well-seated and

won't fall out even if Boris Beersbane bumps against the table.

And then, BE CAREFUL WITH LONG SLEEVES. That boardinghouse reach

that dangles the end of your long sleeve into the candleflame

(because you aren't used to long sleeves or open flames either)

turns you into an instant disaster.

I did that once... not with a candleflame, but with a gas stove,

and the sleeves weren't even that long. But there I was all of a

sudden with flames racing up my underarm. There ensued about

three seconds of panic while I ran about screeching. Then, thank God,

I got a rush of brains to the head and beat the fire out with the

flat of my hand. There *then* ensued about four months of

extreme caution while a long crescent-shaped burn on the side of

my breast healed. About two square inches of second-degree burn,

where the skin blisters. About one-quarter square inch of

third-degree burn, where the skin chars. I'm lucky it wasn't

more. Watch out for open flames.

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt

Mists/Mists/West Albany, California

PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at uclink

From: Gretchen M Beck <grm+ at andrew.cmu.edu>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Things Neos Should Know

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:50:32 -0500

Organization: Computer Operations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

How about:

If you're eating the feast, bring your own dishes

toodles, margaret

From: "Dana J. Tweedy" <tweedyd at emh1.pa.net>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Things Neos Should Know

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:34:11 -0800

Daniel Boyd Fox wrote:

> Things neos should know before going to their first event:

> Anyone have any additions?

> Audelindis de Rheims

Being down range of the archers is a bad thing

Don't get Chirurgeons mad at you (we know where it hurts)

ASK before picking anything (or anyone) up

if you keep to yourself, you probably will be left alone, wether you

really want to be or not.

in heraldry, more is not better

this is not Karate class, the guys with the white belts are NOT beginners

Karl Rasmussen of Tvede, AOA, CSC,

Master Chirurgeon, Captian of Archers, Pursuivant at large, and probably

some other things I've forgotten

From: Gretchen M Beck <grm+ at andrew.cmu.edu>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Things Neos Should Know

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:18:18 -0500

Organization: Computer Operations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Wet, damp and dry don't refer to the relative humidity--it's specifies

whether or not alchohol is allowed on site.

toodles, margaret

From: AndyS <andys at acun.com>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Things Neos Should Know

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:05:31 -0600

> Things neos should know before going to their first event:

> Anyone have any additions?

> Audelindis de Rheims

If you should hear someone shout "HOLD" (it's usually a chorus..)

IMMEDIATELY FREEZE! Someone's in danger, and it may be you!

- Andy (Andrew de Marston) S.

From: L Herr-Gelatt and J R Gelatt <liontamr at postoffice.ptd.net>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Things Neos Should Know

Date: 27 Feb 1997 13:10:33 GMT

Organization: ProLog - PenTeleData, Inc.

Let's add this:

Don't call venison "Bambi" at the feast.

Don't Bring Ketchup.

Only diners at tacky rennaisance faires throw chicken bones over their

shoulders at table.

Offer to help.

Offer to help often.

Brewing mead (or other SCA related A and S activity) alone in your

basement is nice but lonely. Brewing mead with company and

teaching/learning is better.

It helps to have some busy work. Many people feel free to chat to those

who are working on something. (Any theories on why this is so???).

Aoife

From: greycat at tribeca.ios.com (Greycat Sharpclaw)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Question from a newbie

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 05:47:43 GMT

Organization: IDT

Emrys sends greetings to all upon this bridge.

First let me qualify my statements here by stating all things vary

with place:

There is an allegation that Dokktor <dokktor at airmail.net> wrote:

>I have some questions that I was wondering if anyone could answer.

>1. What are some of the necessities to own.

Contact with a local group. Web page http://www.org.sca/geography is

a good place to start looking for one... if that doesn't help, ask

back here giving your physical location (town & state in the US - and

county/nearby city if your town is small; equivalent location for

other countries).

Medieval-looking clothes. They don't have to be perfect (the more

accurate, the better, but something approximate will get you started).

If you can find a local group fast, ask if they have a "garbing

workshop" where you can get advice and/or lessons.

If your region has event feasts, you will need "feast gear" - eating

utensils that don't look _too_ modern. Wooden, metal, and/or ceremic

plates, bowls, and cups, with wooden spoons is a decent start.

An SCA name helps. You'll need one eventually. I recommend taking

just a first name for now (hey you can use your non-SCA first - or

middle - name in most cases; or if you know what period you're aiming

at, take something from that), and expand on it later.

A subscription to the local (barony/shire/canton) newsletter is *very*

helpful - more so than the kingdom newsletter that comes with basic

"official" membership. the local newslwtter will tell you who the

local officers are, and where (at least some) of the local activities

occur.

>2. How long from the time you join before you would be allowed to fight

> in tournaments?

Varies greatly. Until you convince the marshals that you are not a

danger on the field. But there are non-fighting activities you can do

*now* while waiting. Learn to dance, play period boardgames, do arts,

or whatever you are interested in.

>3. Are there apprenticeship programs so that one can learn how to make

> armour, weapons, etc.....

Yes, in most areas. Ask your local knight marshal about these.

If you don't know who your local knight marshal is, well make that one

question you ask your local contact person. Most groups have a

Chatalain(e) or Hospitalier whose job it is to be a contact person.

If you can't find one then the local seneschal(e) is your next best

bet. But most people will be willing to help, at least in terms of

finding contacts.

>Keith

Lord Emrys Cador David M. Mann

Barony of Settmour Swamp greycat at tribeca.ios.com

Eastrealm

From: moondrgn at bga.com (Chris and Elisabeth Zakes)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: What to bring to feast?

Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:01:06 GMT

On 31 Oct 1999 17:17:12 GMT, an orbiting mind-control laser

causedicearrow at aol.com (IceArrow) to write:

>I'm a bit of a newbie and I was wondering if I could ask you folks a few quick

>questions.

>I was wondering, what sort of things do you bring to feast? Is there a list

>somewhere of recommended items or necessities? Some people have told me to

>bring period style plates and utensils, others have said to bring candles and

>candle holders. What's generally accepted?

This will vary somewhat from kingdom to kingdom and even event to

event, but *in general* you can expect to need:

Plate

Bowl (for soup and such)

Mug, goblet or other drinking vessel

Silverware (Note that forks, particularly the 4-tined curved fork that

is generally used today, were not common through most of the Middle

Ages. Spoon, knife and fingers were the usual implements.)

Candles and candle holders are a good idea. Note that some sites have

restrictions on open flames or are worried about having candle wax

spilled on their floors, so checking on the rules for the particular

event you're going to is a good idea.

Something to drink: this will vary widely. Some events expect that

folks will provide their own drinks; some will have servers bringing

around pitchers or water, tea or some such; some have restrictions on

alcoholic drinks; some allow *no* outside drinks and expect you to buy

drinks from the on-site bar (I've seen this at some American Legion

halls, for example.) Again, check on the rules for that particular

event, or bring an ice chest with your preferred drinks, but be

prepared to leave it in the car.

Not essential, but convenient and useful:

Tablecloth (Plain white bedsheets work just fine and are significantly

cheaper than similar-sized "real" table cloths.)

Napkin

Salt/pepper. These are rarely provided, if you like them on your food,

bring your own.

Box, basket or bag to put feast gear in.

Ice chest, to keep drinks cold.

Cover for your ice chest and feast basket, so they don't look so

glaringly modern. I generally use an old tablecloth/bedsheet that's

gotten stained or torn.

Plastic bag for dirty dishes. Sometimes there will be a "washing

station" where you can dump food scraps and rinse off your dishes;

sometimes they will have a special kitchen crew who will wash the

guests' dishes, but don't count on it. Usually you're on your own.

Most sites frown on washing the dishes in the bathroom sinks because

of the liklihood of clogging up the plumbing. Having a bag to put the

dirty stuff in until you can get it home keeps the mess contained.

(Just don't forget to wash up when you *do* get home. <G>)

None of this stuff *has* to be fancy, although it can be. I also

recommend that you don't take *anything* that's breakable, or that you

have a strong emotional attachment to. Things do get lost or broken at

events.

-Tivar Moondragon

Ansteorra

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:47:34 -0700

From: "Serian" <serian at uswest.net>

Subject: SC - [Fwd: [outlands] Say what?]

"Soren W. Nicholson" wrote:

> What I have done is created a web page that lists a bunch of terms

> that SCAdians use all the time. I even go one step further and list a

> definition to those terms!

> So go ahead and check out the page, then tell a friend about and, or

> forward it to a different list. I want to spread the word about this,

> since I have found nothing like it on the web.

> http://www.uccs.edu/~swnichol/SCA-terms.html

> In service always,

> So/ren

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:44:04 EST

From: CorwynWdwd at aol.com

Subject: Re: SC - [Fwd: [outlands] Say what?]

http://www2.kumc.edu/itc/staff/rknight/Define1.htm

http://www.wellesley.edu/Activities/homepage/felding/glossary.html

http://www.pipcom.com/~thebear/gloss.html

There's lots out there, I just picked a few from a google search..

Corwyn

From: Melisende de la Roche de Lionne <freckles_36 at HOTMAIL.COM>

Date: March 28, 2010 3:35:30 PM CDT

To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu

Subject: [CALONTIR] Feasts

One of my favorite things about SCA events is Feasts.

Well, I love food. I love cooking, I love feeding people, I love eating. So if I'm at an SCA event where there is a feast, if I'm not eating it, you can generally find me serving at one.

I had the great pleasure to be allowed to serve at Coronation Feast this Saturday past, which was immense fun. (Not to mention tasty as heck.) And I noticed some things, which I thought I'd share with folks. These aren't directives or anything like that, just suggestions, musings, what-have-you.

1) Pace yourself. Feasts can be contain a LOT of food. Yummy, lovely food. But too foten have I hear after delivering the 2nd or 3rd course in a 4-5 course feast: "I can't eat anymore! I wish I'd known this lamb/cabbage/soup/etc. was coming!" I know you're hungry when we finally start bringing out the nom, but with that first delivery of the bread or the hummus, remind yourself that there is More to Come. So you won't be stuffed to the gills when finally your favorite dish appears before you.

2) Bring tupperware. Again, feast food can be surprinsingly delicious. You may find yourself wishing you could eat it later or share it with people who were unable to attend. There is usually A LOT left over, and the kitchen staff by and large won't mind letting you put some in a container that you provide.

In fact, could this be a way of helping some places defray any extra going-over-budget, by selling left-overs in a quart or gallon sized ziplock bag?

~Melisende de la Roche de Lionne

Baroness of Vatavia

From: Pat McGregor <patsmor at yahoo.com>

Date: July 22, 2010 2:06:25 PM CDT

To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: [Bryn-gwlad] George Visits the SCA (newcomer's page)

This is a fun newcomer's page with suggestions, words, pictures, and so on....

http://www.wodefordhall.com/georgetourney.htm

siobhan m