p-cook-child-msg - 9/27/08
Period cooking for children. Easy, fun recipes for children to cook.
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:14:14 -0800
From: charding at nwlink.com (Cathy Harding)
Subject: SC - a recipe for kids to try
I have found that hedgehogs is a great one for kids. I made a lot of these
for a feast a few years back and I had all the kids in the principality
making them. One of them was serving the high table and had the prince at
the time (Georg - who is again prince, that's for Morgana and any other
Oerthans on the list) rolling with laughter and almost in tears with the
tale of hunting and catching them (not to difficult) and preparing them
(they are the very devil to clean you know). I made them this weekend for
a potluck feast and the 10 year old in our party took hers home to show her
mother before she would eat it.
Here is the original
Take Piggis mawys & skalde hem wel, take groundyn Porke and knede it with
spicerye with pouder gyngere and salt and sugre, do it on the mawe, but
fille it nowt to fulle, then sewe hem with a fayre threde and putte hem in
a Spete as men don piggys, take blaunchid almaundys and kerfe hem long,
smal and scharpe and frye hem in grece and sugre, take a litel prycke and
prykke the yrchouns, an putte in the holes the almaundys every hole hald
and eche fro other, ley hem then to the fyre , when they ben rostid, dore
hem sum whyth Whete flowre and mylke of almaundys, sum grene, sum blake
with Blode and lat hem nowt brone to moche and serve forth.
It s from 2 15th century cookery books (i think that 's what my notes day)
Bascially, I don't do the Piggis mawys (that's like stomach or intestine,
you could use sausage casings). I usually just do meat balls with spices
and bread crumbs and egg to hold it together, and bake them them with
slivered almonds that have been browned (with or without the sugar) as
spikes with cloves or currants as eyes. I have glazed them with a flour
batter and also served them with out.
It is a very hands on recipe that kids like.
in Viandier the same recipe calls for finely chopped meat, grapes, crumbled
rich cheese placed in sheep cauls (stomachs) which are spitted and roasted
and then treated the same way.
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:16:25 -0800
From: david friedman <ddfr at best.com>
Subject: Re: SC - teaching kids (was beerbread)
>So, since I brought it up, I'll push the thread a little. What
>recommendations would the list make re a first period dish for Puck and his
>11 and 12 year old tax deductions to cook as a team. For those of you that
>don't have kids, here's a few ground rules: Must be very tasty, fun and not
>too complicated to prepare, though lots of unusual ingredients is a plus
>(remember the chemistry set), ummmm....time is sort of important; what was
>your attention span at that age? Oh, and Pleyn Delit is currently our best
>resource, so if you suggest an idea from another source, recipe please?
>Nothing needing redaction, we need to work our way up.
How about fritters of some sort? Such as:
Platina p. 148 (book 8)
Toast white bread crumbs, soak them in rosewater with beaten eggs and
ground sugar. Take them out, fry them in a pan with butter or liquamen
[chicken or pork fat], spread out so they do not touch each other. When
fried, put in dishes and sprinkle with sugar, rosewater, and saffron.
The version of this recipe in Martino's cookbook starts out: Have some
slices of white bread pared that does not have crust and make the slices be
four (or square), a little toasted so much that every part be colored from
the fire. ...[end of original]
1 lb sourdough bread 5 T sugar 16 threads saffron
2 t rosewater (or more) ~1/2 stick (1/ lb) butter or lard 1 c more sugar
10 eggs 1 t more rosewater
Beat eggs. Beat in sugar and rosewater. Cut crust off the bread, slice
thin, put into egg mixture and let soak. Crush saffron into remaining
rosewater, mix with remaining sugar and set aside. Melt butter or lard in
frying pan; when hot enough (test with small piece of bread stuff) put
chunks of bread stuff into lard and fry until just browned on both sides.
Drain briefly on paper towels, put into dish and sprinkle with sugar and
Two Fifteenth Century p. 97/74
Take flour, water, saffron, sugar and salt, and make fine paste thereof,
and fair thin cakes; and cut them like losenges and fry them in fine oil,
and serve them forth hot in a dish in lenten time. [end of original]
2 c flour a pinch of saffron 1/2 t salt
1/2 c water 1/2 c sugar oil for frying
Crush saffron in water to extract color and flavor, put in a bowl and mix
in sugar and salt, add flour and mix lightly until moistened. Heat about 1
inch of oil in a frying pan. Roll out dough to about 1/2 inch thick. Cut in
small diamonds, fry a few at a time since they cook very quickly.
(recipes from Miscellany)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:19:40 -0600
From: "Debra R. Poole" <dpoole1 at airmail.net>
Subject: SC - Cooking in MOC
I hosted MOC activities at our local 12th night. One of the activities I selected to do was redacting and cooking a period recipe. Of the 23 kids in MOC only one did not like what we did. We made Brown Fries from Take a Thousand Eggs or More II. The Kids translated it into modern English and then we prepared the recipe. It was by and far the most popular activity all day (and it had some stiff competition like calligraphy and gold leafing on vellum). I have not up packed all the MOC stuff yet but when I do I will post the recipe if anyone is interested. I was wondering if anyone else had ever done this with kids and what kind of success they had.
Barony of the Steppes
Kingdom of Ansteorra
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:18:35 EST
From: DeeWolff at aol.com
Subject: SC - Children/ Food / Events (long)
So, I saw a need to fill and decided to run with it. I really wanted to work
with this problem for the past couple of years, but never really had the
nerve to do it. I now have that nerve.
1) unknown foods at events
2) children witn nothing to do
3) need for unskilled labor in kitchen (paring , mixing, chopping, washing,
4) need for more training for more active roles in kitchen
The positive influences:
1) A bored child is more willing to try anything to not be bored
2) A child is more often willing to eat something he has helped create.
3) What we see as unskilled labor is fun to children (Messy is good !)
4) Experience in a friendly atmosphere creates a liking for kitchen duties.
5) I work well with children ( teaching and nursing background).
6) My mom taught me how a kitchen can be made fun .
The negative influences:
1) Period food is often strange to a modern child
2) Previous help in the kitchen may have been unnoticed or unrewarded.
3) The decidedly adult atmosphere scares the timid child.
Small classes (of ten children) given out in areas requesting a University
Example: At our most recent East Kingdom University, I provided a workable
(albeit, not typical) kitchen in which a maximum of ten children could
create, and eat a small feast based on period sources. However, the cooking
itself was thoroughly modern due to the constraints of the working area (in a
conventional classroom). I have a portable oven (convection/broiler/microwave
acquired in the 70's), a electric steamer, and a good quality crockpot.
The menu: Hirchones from Harleian MS 279
La maniere de faire compost from The Menagier du Paris
Applemoyl from Harleian MS 279
Hot spiced cider
The result: A class of six, one child under five (I had limited the ages
from 6 to 12), the father stayed to help the five year old. There were no
other adults present.
The chopping and paring took a great deal of time. The results were ill
formed and messy. They were incorporated into the final recipes with great
admiration of a job well done and smiles from all.
The spiced cider was a hit! I encouraged mortar and pestle use for the
spices and they also grated a nutmeg into the brew. All pronounced it
The hedgehogs, ended up looking like space aliens (one done like Pikachu by
an older child who could not just make a hedgehog like the others), but
three were fully eaten, one had the almonds eaten off, and two went home to
show Mom how cool this was!
The compost (mostly carrots) were considered to be good. They really liked
the honey sauce (no surprise here) and were promptly eaten.
The applemoyl had the best result of all, it was inhaled! The spices (now
, all familiar: I explained what they were and we "sampled" them before
adding them) mixed with the apples and the other ingredients were very good.
While it did not look as visually pleasing to the adult eye (due to the
chopping episodes) it tasted better than it looked.
The downside: While I had brought games to occupy them during the cooking
phase, I had forgotten that some do not participate well in group games. Next
time I will bring solo activities too.
Final Note: All in all, we had a good time. I learned a lot, and so did
they. I think the best thing that happened to me is that when I asked them if
they would do this again, EVERY ONE said yes! My next class is this weekend
and I already have two on the schedule for Pennsic!! And at Pennsic, we will
be using camp fire cooking techniques and be discovering how to use a turf
Ostgardr, East Kingdom
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:35:19 EST
From: ChannonM at aol.com
Subject: SC - Re: Food for Children
How's about Dulcia Domestica, a Roman date stuffed with nuts, my kids love em
and eat them like candy,
Here is the recipe, very "Child Do-able"
Original Recipe #294 Flower and Rosenbaum edition of Apicius
Little home confections(which are called dulciaria) are made thus: little
palms or (as they are ordinarily called) dates are struffed- after the seeds
have been removed- with a nut or with nuts and ground pepper, sprinkled with
salt on the outside and are candied in honey and served.
3 1/2 oz walnut halves
13 oz pitted dried dates
1 tsp fresh ground long pepper
3/4 cup honey plus 1/4 cup water
1/4 tsp salt
Roast the walnuts on a baking sheet in a hot over(425 degrees) for 5 minutes.
Prepare the dates by gently prying open and inserting walnut piece
(approximately ¼ walnut). Close and set aside. When complete, sprinkle salt
In a heavy skillet combine honey/water and pepper. Heat to a boil and reduce
to a low simmer.
Place the dates into the honey and cook about 3-5 minutes or until just soft.
Remove dates and set aside to cool. Can be stored in a cool dry place. Makes
about 80 treats.
I would remove the honey from the hot pan and put into a measuring cup for
the children to pour over the dates, mix them up and place on waxed paper to
From: "Olwen the Odd" <olwentheodd at hotmail.com>
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Mission Impossible
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:07:31 +0000
> Being child-less myself, I'm a little at a loss to know what your
>average five-year old can handle as far as cooking goes--for example, we
>were putting the tins in the oven, and his arms are too short to reach
>the racks easily (Doh!)
> Any suggestions?
Adding ingredients, mixing, measuring (never too early to start math),
selecting recipes (pictures help and beginning the reading skills), fetching
dry ingredients, stressing the "clean as we go" skillsets, the rolling pin
is a friend, cookie cutters, clock watching, shopping. Starting with food
that only takes a short time to cook. Young folks have a shorter attention
span and can loose interest if they are say, waiting for a 3 pound roast
beef to cook. Garnishing is always fun. Wiping up and sweeping. Best not
to let them get too close to the stove. There are some really good and fun
kids cookbooks at the library. I get a lot of ideas from them.
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:47:37 -0600
From: dailleurs at liripipe.com
Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Fw: [Medievalacademy] Recipe Question
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
hey all from Anne-marie
kid friendly food? no problemo!!!!
1. yrchons! the little hedgehogs are as much to make as they are to eat.
2. ruzzige cake. aka "pizza bread" (15th c. german, IIRC?)
3. marchpanes (sugar cookie like objects with marzipan decorations)
the small kids that camp with me live off hard boiled eggs, meat with
mustard, bread, rice pudding with whatever fruit goo we have that day,
honeyed carrots, ruzzige cake, herbolade (eggs, cheese and herbs, like
a frittata), applemouse, cookies and fruit tarts.
fun food activities...
1. molding fruits and thingies out of marzipan
2. bake a pile of shield shaped sugar cookies and let the kids decorate
them with their "arms"
3. have 'em make the yrchouns.
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:55:47 -0400
From: "Christine Seelye-King" <kingstaste at mindspring.com>
Subject:RE: [Sca-cooks] Re: Seeking Kid friendly period recipes
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Below are the the recipes I included in my "The Accomplisht Childe" booklet
Another (8.60 Fried Cheese) - Platina 8.61
50. Snacks - Platina
Macaroni - Platina, from the E.. Andrews translation
23. Eggs However You Want Them Cooked, But First About Scrambled Eggs -
Platin Herbolat - Curye on Inglysch
26. Boiled Eggs - Platina
Sippets in mustard (Soup en moustarde) - Taillevent
79. Browne fryes. - Harleian MS. 4016 (1450)
Golden Balls - Platina 8.63 Panperdy - Markham
28. To make the best panperdy
To fry the best kind o Pancakes. - "De Verstandige Kock"
Lesenges Fries - Harleian MS. 4016
Caboches in potage. - Curye on Inglysch
Funges - Curye on Inglysch
Sallet - Markham
Yrchouns - Harleian MS.279 Leche Vyaundez
Sallet of Cold Capon Rosted - Digby
14. Red Mustard Sauce - Platina
15. Mustard Sauce in Bits , - Platina
Verde Sawse - Curye on Inglysch
81. Appulmoy - Curye On Inglysch
To Make Sepponi - Digby
A Very Pleasant Drink of Apples,- Digby, The Closet Opened
To make gingerbrede. - Curye on Inglysch
16. To help a ace that is red or pimpled. - Plat
23. How to take away the freckles in the face. - Plat
How to Keep the Hair Clean and Preserve It. - Hannah Woolley, The Compleat
Servant-maid. London: For T. Passinger, 1683. (The HousewifeÕs Rich Cabinet)
For the Bah. - Thomas Jeamson, Artificiall Embellishments. Oxford: By
William Hall, 1665. (The HousewifeÕs Rich Cabinet)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:49:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: jenne at fiedlerfamily.net
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cooking with children
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Hais, which doesn't require cooking, might be a better option. (I've made
gingerbrede both ways and am convinced that the part where you cast the
bread into the boiling honey means you have to heat the honey.)
Hais is in Cariadoc's Miscellany:
al-Baghdadi p. 214/14 (GOOD)
Take fine dry bread, or biscuit, and grind up well. Take a ratl of this,
and three quarters of a ratl of fresh or preserved dates with the stones
removed, together with three uqiya of ground almonds and pistachios. Knead
all together very well with the hands. Refine two uqiya of sesame-oil, and
pour over, working with the hand until it is mixed in. Make into cabobs,
and dust with fine-ground sugar. If desired, instead of sesame-oil use
butter. This is excellent for travellers.
2 2/3 c bread crumbs
2 c (about one lb) pitted dates
1/3 c ground almonds
1/3 c ground pistachios
7 T melted butter or sesame oil
We usually mix dates, bread crumbs, and nuts in a food processor or
blender. For "cabobs," roll into one inch balls. Good as caravan food (or
for taking to wars). They last forever if you do not eat them, but you do
so they don't.
-- Jenne Heise / Jadwiga Zajaczkowa
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:27:59 -0400
From: "Nick Sasso" <grizly at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cooking with children
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Does anyone have any ideas out there for a food item that
could be made by children as part of a class using period
techniques, but does not require any actual heating or cooking?
We will be in an indoor room with a table but without any
kitchen facilities as far as I am aware. It will be too hot at that
time of year (August in Texas) to go outside and do a fire.
I am thinking yogurt, cheese or marzipan or something like that.
Christianna > > > > > > > >
Any number of mustard recipes would do well . . .
Beverage syrups . . .
Stuffed dates / figs . . .
Almond milk and its derivatives COULD be done with preheated water in a
thermos . . .