child-tags-msg - 5/20/12
Using various tags to identify children at SCA events.
NOTE: See also the files: children-msg, children-SCA-lnks, toys-msg, chd-actvites-msg, tokens-msg, event-pricing-msg, reservations-msg.
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From: "Hawke" <ankashai at gmail.com>
Date: April 27, 2008 9:45:01 AM CDT
To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Kingdom Law regarding Children Under 12 - Please read and cross p
<snip>
<<< As for identification of youth, perhaps a token secured to the
youths clothing, belt would be a neat idea. A wooden token with the
child and parent guardian painted, inscribed, burned or laminated on
the token would be a good idea. I would be happy to help design and
manufacture them. >>>
Dogtags also seem to work well -- there are printing machines at
places like Walmart and Petsmart, and you can let your kids chose the
design ( military dogtags, hearts, 'dog' dogtags, whatever ). Perhaps
not exactly period, but they're easy to keep track of and seem to be
harder for kids to accidentally lose.
From: "Carrie Barnes" <Grainnemhicneill at gmail.com>
Date: April 27, 2008 9:48:38 AM CDT
To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Kingdom Law regarding Children Under 12 - Please read and cross post
Please do not advocate putting this information anywhere visible. I realize
that this is supposed to be for safety reasons but my mundane children +
safety training says to avoid putting the child's name on their clothing
where it can be read by anyone. The reason for this is that anyone wishing
to do a child harm gains confidence in the child when they can address them
by name. I would like to think that this wouldn't happen here but as we
unfortunately have all seen, it can happen anywhere.
Grainne mhic Neill
From: "Joyce Reitor" <joycereitor at gmail.com>
Date: April 27, 2008 9:56:04 AM CDT
To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Kingdom Law regarding Children Under 12 - Please read and cross post
> Please do not advocate putting this information anywhere visible. I realize
> that this is supposed to be for safety reasons but my mundane children +
> safety training says to avoid putting the childs name on their clothing
> where it can be read by anyone.
The information does not have to openly visible. However, upon
request from a constable, the child must be able to immediately
present the identification. A few suggestions can be a lamented card
placed in the child's pouch or military style dog tags that could be
worn beneath the child's clothes. I have found quite a few websites
that offer different style of identification materials for a
reasonable price. If you are interested in any of these sites, please
contact me at joycereitor at gmail.com and I will gladly forward them to
you.
Aubray
From: Susan Baker <sireenadeartopeous at yahoo.com>
Date: April 28, 2008 7:21:55 PM CDT
To: trimaris-temp at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tri-temp] Kingdom Law regarding Children Under 12 - Please read and cross post
There have been several parents who embroider the information inside a little flap at the back neckline of their child - this worked wonderfully!!
Sireena
Joyce Reitor <joycereitor at gmail.com> wrote:
The information does not have to openly visible. However, upon
request from a constable, the child must be able to immediately
present the identification.
From: Jena Kirby <lamiablk at yahoo.com>
Date: March 5, 2009 2:17:20 PM CST
To: Ansteorra <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Ansteorra] Interesting Idea for Kids at War
I just ran across a cool idea that I thought might interest some parents who are taking their kids to war. It's a safety "tattoo" that lasts about 5 days. You can either design your own or get write-in ones.
HE Wu
From: Brandon McDermott <brandonsmcd at yahoo.com>
Date: April 17, 2009 9:37:48 AM CDT
To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Feeding toddlers at events
I posted a while back about "REMOVABLE CHILD INFO/SAFETY TATTOOS". They are awesome and cheap. Just Google them.
Lochlan
From: "Megan Timperley/ Sayyidi Umm Ya'kub Rayya al-Zahra' bint Fath al-Badawiyya" <scarayya at GMAIL.COM>
Date: July 8, 2011 8:29:31 AM CDT
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] kids gone wild
I've just finished a favor for my toddler to use at Pennsic, on the very slim chance he gets away from me... It has a design from our sheet wall on it, and a pocket inside that holds a laminated card. On that card is all the tracking/contact information anyone needs to return him if he gets lost, with on and off site numbers, health details and such things.
It maynt work for older kids, but something like that for younger ones is nice...
Rayya
From: Sarah Gutekunst <gutekunst at GPCOM.NET>
Date: July 8, 2011 10:11:13 AM CDT
To: CALONTIR at listserv.unl.edu
Subject: Re: [CALONTIR] kids gone wild
Both of my children wear "favors". I had dog tags engraved with thier names, our names, our barony and my cell phone number on them. They are attached to black and yellow tablet woven bands and hang from the belt. The tags are so shiny that they are hard to miss. And my kids love the idea of wearing my favor.
I have also specifically taught my youngest, (he's 4) that if he is lost he finds the nearest shiny hat (they are all crowns to him) and shows them his favor. He's kind of adult shy, so for him to have to try to explain that he's lost might be hard for him. But he's always ready to show off his favor. He's quite proud of it! While I realize that there is a slight chance that this might someday cause him to interrupt the Crown if he gets lost, I can't imagine anyone sitting the Calontir Throne that would have a problem with that.
And he's always adult supervised, to the point that I bring a babysitter to war. 3 adults for 2 kids, and still sometimes the kids outnumber us. :)
Seraphina
From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
Date: February 7, 2012 10:18:32 PM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, donnelshaw at aol.com wrote:
<<< That is why today we ask parents to put the child's name on the
inside of the back pack or the part next to their body so it can not
be read from a distance. >>>
I don't suppose I can suggest the child wearing a tabard of their
parent's / parents' arms suitably differenced, as long as the parent*
are displaying the undifferenced arms? It's visible ID, it doesn't
reveal the child's name (unless it happens to be "Number Two Son" or
"Crescent"), and yay! more heraldry!
Dankyn de Lyncoln
From: Hugh & Belinda Niewoehner <BurgBorrendohl at valornet.com>
Date: February 7, 2012 10:19:51 PM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca
On 2/7/2012 10:08 PM, donnelshaw at aol.com wrote:
<<< Hospital wrist bands will still give you access to the child's info but can not be read from a distance. >>>
Amen! It should have the parents info, not the child's. "A return to ... kind of info." If I had a kid, they would wear that as a tattoo. We put chips in our pets, don't we? My husband travels a lot for his job and I have been know to put our phone number on a hidden part of his body just in case he ends up in a hospital (or God forbid somewhere worse). Muggers might steal his ID with the wallet. I don't want him ending up somewhere as a "John Doe".
Ismet
From: Benjamin Berry <bbwaco at yahoo.com>
Date: February 7, 2012 11:19:42 PM CST
To: Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com>, "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca
From: Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com>:
<<< I have temporary tattoos printed with my telephone number on them. I apply them to my kiddos before we go to crowded events (festivals, etc., because I don't generally take them to SCA events). They know the number, but if they were injured and were unable to relay it, there it is on their arm. You could do the same thing on the cheap with a marker or pen.
-R >>>
another thought is that any Army surplus will make custom tags cheaply. have them put mommy and daddy's Cell numbers on the tag...with SCA names or mundane if you want. Little one can have it in a pocket, tied on the belt, or on a leather cord under garb. They are very hard to read from a distance but very clear when needed.
just my two cents....take it as you will.
From: Charlene Charette <charlene281 at gmail.com>
Date: February 8, 2012 1:18:50 AM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Stefan li Rous
<StefanliRous at austin.rr.com> wrote:
<<< I think that this is a wonderful resource, but I'm not sure how I would find such a store. Academy Surplus used to be an army surplus store, but they are more of a sporting goods store now. >>>
There are places online where you can order personal dog tags that are
designed for runners, etc. who want ID on them, but don't have
pockets. There are the traditional tag on a ball chain style and ones
that you lace onto your shoes. I have one for when I'm out walking or
biking alone. I bought one for François since he travels so much, but
he got tired of keeping track of it after going through the TSA.
--Perronnelle
From: Padraig Ruad O'Maolagain <padraig_ruad at yahoo.com>
Date: February 8, 2012 9:16:14 AM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Child ID Tags (was:Children in the Sca)
Another readily available option might be an actual dog tag - available at any Petsmart or other pet supply store, machine engraved while you wait with the information you want for less than $10. String it on a chain, ribbon or bracelet, or pin it to the child's clothing, like military style tags it can only be read close up.
Padraig
From: Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com>
Date: February 8, 2012 12:38:10 AM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca
They offer several kinds, including a write-on tattoo where you could write your cell number, camp area, or anything else. Of course, you can do this without a tattoo, as well, but my kiddos think they're fun. I got them from:
-R
From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>
Date: February 8, 2012 6:19:07 AM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children in the Sca
<<< I don't suppose I can suggest the child wearing a tabard of their
parent's / parents' arms suitably differenced, as long as the parent*
are displaying the undifferenced arms? It's visible ID, it doesn't
reveal the child's name (unless it happens to be "Number Two Son" or
"Crescent"), and yay! more heraldry!
Dankyn de Lyncoln >>>
We did something like that when our kids were little. They wore a "Daddy banner"--a small copy of my arms, pinned to their clothes.
It was never needed because we kept a close eye on the kids when they were real little and taught them to be sensible and responsible as they got bigger.
When my granddaughter was here for the White Scarf 30th Anniversary a couple of years ago, she got to wear the Daddy banner, too.
From: Adria Lorelle <alorelle at sbcglobal.net>
Date: February 8, 2012 8:09:57 PM CST
To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Child ID Tags
We use to have favors with name, parents name, and group on one side and blank on the other side so the children could personalize themselves.
Adria
--- On Wed, 2/8/12, Cait O'Hara <moc at seneschal.ansteorra.org> wrote:
<<< One thing that Gulf Wars does is to put wrist bands out at troll. They offer the bands for each parent to put on their child if they wish. It has a place to put the parent's name, number and where they are camping.
Cait >>>
From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>
Date: February 9, 2012 6:23:50 AM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Child ID Tags
<< One thing that Gulf Wars does is to put wrist bands out at troll. They
offer the bands for each parent to put on their child if they wish. It
has a place to put the parent's name, number and where they are
camping.
Cait >>
<<< I think that this should be made a requirement, not just be made
available. Again, one of the reasons is to show that the SCA is making
efforts to safeguard the child, as well as, I think, these bands being
useful.
How do you get all that info onto a wrist band though? Or are these
wider than the half-inch wide band I am imagining?
If these were removable, and thus re-useable, would we have problems
with children taking them off and losing them (or swapping them?) or
do they need to be the type that you can't easily remove without
destroying them?
Stefan >>>
Back when Ansteorra was doing the wristband-thing, the bands were about an inch wide. They could not usually be removed unless the fastening was deliberately loose so the kid could slide it off. Normally they would have to be cut off. (They were hospital ID wristbands, you don't want the patients removing them on a whim.)
On the other hand, by the time our kids were around six or seven, they thought the wristbands were a waste of time--they knew who they were, who their parents were and where our campsite and listfield pavillion was located. They also had sense enough not to wander off and get lost.
-Tivar Moondragon
From: Jennifer Smith <jds at randomgang.com>
Date: February 9, 2012 9:45:47 AM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Child ID Tags
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com> wrote:
<<< On the other hand, by the time our kids were around six or seven, they
thought the wristbands were a waste of time--they knew who they were, who
their parents were and where our campsite and listfield pavillion was
located. They also had sense enough not to wander off and get lost. >>>
That's the thing. In schools, children are taught -- and quizzed! -- to
remember their parents' names, their phone number, and sometimes even their
house address, in kindergarten. (Okay, so my oldest kid confused her
teacher to no end when she reported that her parents were "...and Emma"...)
We parents should add SCA information to that list for events. Younger than
that, or unable to report useful info when questioned by an adult, and they
probably do need a tag of some sort. But not necessarily *always*:
Kid #1, when she was very young, would completely freak out when a
wristband was attached. I'm not talking the usual toddler "I don't like
that" fits, I'm talking giant panicing wailing fits. Which would you rather
have near you at an event: an all-smiles toddler who won't travel further
than her 10' invisible leash from mom (without freaking out), or a
shrieking and crying upset child? Yeah.
Kid #2, when she was very young, was much more mellow, but also wouldn't
wander off. Even now that she's 7, she still won't, even if I want her to.
:) Kid #1 when she got to be about 7-8, wanted to wander off (to
children's activities, to play, etc), and I made sure she had a tag then --
usually sewn to the back of her belt, which she much preferred to a plastic
wristtag. Now that she's 12, I don't bother tagging her at all.
This sounds like I'm fairly anti-tag, but I'm not, really: I just want
people to recognize that we need some flexibility. Some kids like to
wander, some don't.
-Emma
From: Jolene Graves <meraud90 at gmail.com>
Date: February 12, 2012 10:44:07 AM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Children ID Tags!
When my kids were younger I either has a favor on their belt or a tabord.
Embroidery or fabric paint the information. With the favors I put the
mundane information on the back.
On Feb 11, 2012 7:20 PM, "Pukhta 'Pooky' Lovtsevich" <
pookyloves at gmail.com> wrote:
<<< Good and Wonderful Day Ansteorra,
I have thought for many years that a form of I.D. Tag for children is
a necessary thing to have happen.
Pooky Story Time:
Often, all too often, a child is not with their parent or legal
guardian and experience a momentary laps of happiness.
So there is a upset crying child, mild to moderately hysterical, and
either too young or too upset or too unfamiliar to share their
parental or legal guardian's information such as SCA Name, Camping
Group / Household or SCA Group.
What I need on a Children ID Tag, minimally, is:
Child's Name
Par / Leg Guar's SCA Name
Group e,g, Wolfstar or Hellsgate or Pooky's Friend (for new people
they could list the person that introduced them to the SCA)
Phone Number (I think parent's should carry their phone and be
permitted to step to one side and answer their phone without getting
attitude for funging up the period schwe' of others)
Another Pooky Point:
It would be really really helpful if Parents and Legal Guardians would
make sure their child knows where their Child ID Tag is on their
personage.
A 6'6", 320 pound, bald, serious-looking male rifling over the outer
garments of a crying-hysterical child, might appear unseemly.
Mandating a specific place the Child ID Tag is carried probably wont
work cause some kid wont like it, and therefore less accepting and
compliant.
Mandating the type of id tag probably wouldn't work because some
Parents and Legal Guardians or Children Youths or Minors would for
example prefer it sewn into the garb than worn around the neck.
In my humble opinion, mandating children be identifiable by a means
other than their upset voice is good for them, and I think good for
the SCA.
More educated officers than I should consider what if Ansteorra
provided each (location) group plenty, like 50-100 tags (like keychain
or luggage) to write the previously mentioned information upon. These
could be made available at gate at events, at populous meetings, etc.
Then the SCA could say we make available the means by which children
can be identified, and it is of course the responsibility of the
parent or legal guardian to follow up and administer the process.
Wouldn't that be a step that shows the legal world that we as a group
have taken a(nother) step to help ensure child safety and lower the
possibility of indemnification for the SCA?
More Pooky Story:
Picture if you will hearing a crying child in a parking lot, with a
lord in a simple attempt at a tunic or a lady in a dress... Parent or
Predator? and this moment is possibly the last chance in this life for
the child.
I fear that every day I am at an event.
We are so open, and assume in ways that Respect is commonplace {at
least that's me} that we as a group need to ensure the SCA lowers
indemnification probability and oh yes have a way to get a child back
into the responsible hands of the correct Parent or Legal Gruardian..
Assuming Parents and Legal Guardians will maintain the responsibility
to make sure something doesn't come back on the SCA, isn't realistic.
Assuming Parents and Legal Guardians will be on time to pick up their
charge after an MoC Activity, isn't realistic.
Respect and Loving Gratitude,
Honorable Baron Pukhta 'Pooky' Lovetsevich
Compass Rose
Northern Regional Minister of Children
(Prospective) Ansteorran Youth and Family Council Representative >>>
<the end>