SC-Talonvale-msg - 9/29/08
The siege cooking contest at the "Siege on Talonvale" event in the Pentamerean region of the Middle Kingdom in 2004.
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Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:39:59 +0000
From: iasmin at comcast.net
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Siege Cookery at Talonvale: Amounts of
To: mk-cooks at midrealm.org (MK Cooks), sca-cooks at ansteorra.org (SCA
A short while back I reported on the siege cookery competition that
happened at the Siege on Talonvale event here in the Pentamerean region
of the Middle Kingdom. For those of you who have been waiting for the
ingredient amounts, I now have them. They were as follows according to
the competition organizer:
MEAT - For the entire competition, the competition organizers picked up
rear quarter of a goat. That quarter was then cut off the bone and
"eyeballed" into roughly equal portions of around 10-12 ounces of meat.
The organizers were unsure of how much of the bone was given out in
weight. The organizers also believe they won't be as generous with meat
next year when they hold the competition again but because goat was a
new meat for many cooks, they believed the generosity would help. I'm
certain they wanted to ensure continued participation in future years
of the competition, a wise choice in my opinion.
DAIRY - The competition organizers said that they believed that at this
point in the "siege" of their keep, the only cheese left would be the
hard cheeses. This is why they chose the Asiago. They chose Asiago over
a Parmesan because of cost.
Competitors could also choose to use 1 pint of buttermilk as a dairy.
The theory behind the amount and the type was that by this point in the
siege, the milk would be far from fresh and hardly plentiful.
The goose eggs, I'm told, were purchased in Detroit, Michigan at the
Eastern Market (one of the nation's oldest continuously running
farmer's markets). The goose's owner was surprised that the geese had
started laying again in mid-summer. The eggs were fresh and each team
got two eggs to use if they chose.
GRAINS - Teams could choose 2 of 3 grain types for their entry. The
choices were 6 ounces of rolled rye, 8 ounces of whole millet, or a
50/50 mix of buckwheat and rye flour. The organizers said this amounted
to about 2 cups total of grains which were purchased at Whole Foods
LIQUIDS - Each team received a bit more than a cup of apple cider
vinegar. They also could choose to use 8 ounces of solid beef fat that
needed to be rendered into oil. They could use as much water as they
wished, though this was not provided for them.
FRUIT - The white currants were picked from the competition organizer's
yard and amounted to approximately 1.5 cups for each team. The
raspberries that could be used amounted to a little under a cup each. I
have no amount available for the mulberries they were able to use, but
I suspect a similar amount to the other berries.
VEGETABLES & LEGUMES - Teams could choose up to 4 vegetables from the
list. The amounts were small, compared to how the final dishes appeared
to my eye. 3 small carrots (with greens) 2 medium-sized parsnips, 1/2
of a rutabaga, 2 ounces of enoki mushrooms, 8 ounces of dried lentils,
1 small white onion, 1/2 bulb of garlic, and half of a red or a green
SPICES - Each spice amounted to between 1-2 teaspoons. The nutmeg was 1
nut, the juniper berries were 6 whole dried berries. The salt was
generous: a full tablespoon plus of rock salt. And teams could also
choose 6 ounces of cone sugar. In all, they could choose 7 of the total
spice choices available.
And I received this blurb from the competition organizer which I
thought I'd share with you:
"I was surprised by how many people assumed that I would have gotten
beef and called it goat, or that I would have gotten jumbo chicken eggs
and called them goose eggs. It never even occurred to me. For me, the
point was to use 'peasant' ingredients, as opposed to things like white
flour and cream and so on which I figured would have been used up by
now, and to give them out-of-the-ordinary things that they wouldn't
have worked with before - all while staying period and in keeping with
the season as much as possible. After all, what is the point of calling
it goat if you don't have all the attendant difficulties of actually
cooking with goat? In truth, I was pleased to have several of them tell
me they had no idea what to do with millet, rutabaga, juniper berries,
and so on. I figured I'd succeeded."
I'd say the competition was most definitely a success. Kudos,
Talonvale. I can't wait for next year. :)
Mistress Iasmin de Cordoba, Baroness Roaring Wastes, Middle Kingdom
iasmin at comcast.net
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:08:56 -0400
From: Gaylin Walli <iasmin at comcast.net>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Re: Siege Cooker at Talonvale
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
>> -- Braised goat with onions and spices. Quite possibly my favorite
>> dish of the entire judging. Of all the entries this one cooked the
>> goat to perfection. If I hadn't known it was goat to begin with I
>> wouldn't have known it when I tasted it. Filling. I went back to
>> this one for 3rds after all the judging was done. And the cook sent
>> me the recipe yesterday. WOoO! I win!
> Perhaps I missed it, but could you post this recipe, please?
You did not miss it. I forgot to send it, so thank you for the reminder.
Here is the recipe the cook sent me. Whether or not you end up with the
same results is something I'd be *more* than willing to judge
personally. :) -- iasmin
From: Chris. A. Dunham
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:04:42 -0400
Subject: Recipe for Goat
As requested I will attempt to recall the approx. recipe of the goat
dish from Talonval.
1 Portion of Goat (Approx 1lb.)
Small Handful of Enoki Mushrooms
2 Cloves of Garlic (Spanish Roja)
1 Tsp of Parsley
1/2 Tsp of White Sage
1 Slab oÕ Beef Fat (for rendering)
1 Medium hite Onion
Mince one garlic clove and mix with parsley and sage. Quarter 1 garlic
clove. Chop 1/2 of the stems from the mushrooms; combine with
quartered garlic in approx. 1/4 cup of water. Let sit for approx 1hr.
in the sun. Cut mat into approx 1/2 inch thick pieces. Press
mushroom stems and garlic by hand. Draw off the water via syringe or
strain it. Now, what I did was inject the mix into the goat. You
could, however, allow it to marinate for a short time in a warm area.
Prss original mix onto one side of the meat slices. That takes care
Next, render enough oil from the beef fat to coat the bottom of the pan
(less than 1/8 of an inch deep). I did this over an open fire that
barely got hot enough to make te meat sizzle (wood didnÕt want to
catch), so IÕm not sure of the temperature. It was probably close to a
medium heat. Pan fry for 5 min per side over direct heat. Then,
either lower heat or remove from center of fire. Add onion (sliced to
desired siz). Wait 10 min then flip meat again. Add Salt (to desired
taste). Remove from heat.
Place meat in dish, add onions, and crumble cheese over entire dish.
With my compliments,
Xavier William Terrant
Incipient Canton of Westmere