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A type of cooking contest where teams are given minimum ingredients to create a meal. Contest ideas.

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:20:15 -0700

From: lilinah at earthlink.net

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Siege Cooking Competition

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Well, this weekend i participated in a Siege Cooking Competition at

the West Kingdom Arts and Sciences Tourney. I also taught a couple

classes and took a number - the manure and urine technology class was

WONDERFUL! I took it right after i taught an introduction to Middle

Eastern food.

Each team was allowed to bring a few items (very few) - one root

vegetable (we brought onions); one above ground vegetable (we brought

carrots); one fresh fruit (we had plums); two herbs (we brought mint

and cilantro, hoping to do Andalusian - but the rye and pork nixed

that). I think every team brought milk.

We really had no idea what we would be given - the description was

rather vague.

No team got the same food items. There were 3 of each thing - the

Fearless Leader had expected far fewer entrants and i suspect he'd

shopped for six teams and ended up with eight, which was why some of

the foods were a bit skimpy - we were supposed to be able to feed 4

diners PLUS the three judges.

Meat: chicken, pork, and beef (we got 3 pork chops). Rye and whole

wheat flour (we got rye). Grain: brown rice, barley, or rolled oats

(we got barley). Three spices (we got powdered ginger, nutmeg, and

cloves). Some kind of fat - olive oil, lard or butter (we got olive

oil). Nuts: pine nuts, almonds, walnuts (we got walnuts). Seeds:

candied anise, caraway, and i'm not sure what else (we got caraway).

Dried Fruit: dates, apricots, apples (we got apricots). One fresh

vegetable (we got mushrooms). Each team got a small bag of coarse

brown sugar crystals.

While our team did not win, we did come in third in a field of eight,

and there were only about 3 points out of 100 total separating the

top three teams.

The winning team was composed entirely of Laurels, most with Laurels

in cooking.

Points were given for using one time and one culture - we used some

German and some French recipes (mostly 15th c.) and introduced

ourselves as the Alsatian Sensations (well, some teams had a name).

I was away teaching a class for about 2/3 of the cooking time :-( but

i brought some cookbooks which saved us when we didn't get chicken or

beef and couldn't do Andalusian.

Many teams brought unhomogenized milk and made butter and fresh

cheese. Since the team member who bought our food had been making a

lot of fresh cheese lately, she didn't want to (i think we would have

scored higher if we had - i think there were more points for more

dishes).

We made broth from the pork bones and scraps and used it and milk to

cook the barley - the mushrooms were added to this frumenty. - if i'd

been there i would have suggested cooking the mushrooms separately

for more points. We made "A Clever Dish of Fruit" by cooking the

plums and apricots and pureeing them - then they were spiced, and

sweetened, and walnuts were stirred in. We cooked the carrots in

olive oil with mint and caraway seeds. We pan fried the pork, cut in

cubes, with salt and pepper, then used the drippings cooked with

vinegar and ginger for a sauce. We made pancakes with the rye flour

and made a sweet sauce with cooked plum juice. And we made rather

weak sekanjabin and clarea d'agua - weak because we were given so

little sugar. And we made hand washing water with the mint.

I went around and sampled food from every one of the other seven

teams and even spent some time travelling around with cooks from two

others. There were many delicious dishes and some less successful.

But every team seemed happy with their effort. And I had a great time

chatting with all the teams.

Anahita

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:00:42 -0700

From: lilinah at earthlink.net

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Siege Cooking Competition

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

From: kattratt <kattratt at charter.net>

> Ok now I know I have been on this list to long.... I am getting picky...

> Isn't a carrot a root vegetable?

DOh! Yeah, carrots were our root vegetable. Our above the ground

thingy was fresh plums.

And i didn't get the "rules" exactly right. Here's a link to the

rules of the recent siege cooking game:

http://www.westlaurels.org/Articles/Juan_Santiago_SiegeCookingAS2004.htm

Anahita

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:22:53 -0400

From: "Sharon Gordon" <gordonse at one.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Siege Cooking Competition: Carrots and

Competitions

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Stefan asked:

> So, is better for each team to be given the same ingredients? Or

> different things?

***For a straight competition, to me it's easier to compare the results if

people have mostly the same things to work with. If the object is to turn

the food into a four course meal for 100+ people such as is being done for

the Dec 2004 Cook's symposium, I think having each course have independent

ingredients is good.

> I've seen some reviews which had a lot more selection of materials than

> others. Do those who have participated in these prefer to have a wide

> variety of ingredients or have them rather restricted?

***I like both. The important thing to me is that some of the ingredents be

very versatile. For instance most people could do a variety of interesting things with:

Chicken, whole

Milk, whole unpasturized, 1 gallon

Eggs, 6

Wheat berries, 5 pounds

Apples, 5 pounds

Carrots, 3 pounds

Turnips with tops, 5 pounds

Vinegar, 1 pint

Lard, 1 pound

Assorted herbs, spices, salt, yeast, drinkable water

compared to

Chicken livers, 3 pounds

Romano cheese, 1 pound

Peas, dry 2 pounds

Rye flour, 5 pounds

Plums, 5 pounds

Beets with tops, 3 pounds

Sauerkraut, 3 pounds

Mixed greens, 5 pounds

Sesame oil, 1 quart

Assorted herbs, spices, salt, yeast, drinkable water

> What are folks opinions on being able to bring selected ingredients

> from home?

***That can be helpful as it makes it possible for the team to personalize

their results

> Do you want to know the ingredients you will be given ahead

> of time or not?

***People seem to like both ways a lot. Personally, I like the ahead way as

it makes it possible for the team to make maximum use of their creativity

through thinking and planning. If people are permitted to bring some things

with them, it helps to know what will be provided, so they don't have to

bring to camp for example 3 pounds of every root vegetable possible, not

knowing what root vegetable they will be given, and so not knowing what

would be a good addition to it. In this case knowing helps save lots of

money.

***On the other hand some people like the adrenaline rush of the surprise

followed by the controlled panic to plan a menu, and the intense work to

organize, create, and cook a good menu in an impossibly short amount of

time. This same sort of variety exists in other professions. We have the

long term programmer and the help desk trouble shooter: the detective and the

street cop, and the dermatologist and the ER doctor.

> If yes, do you wish to have one or more unknown until

> the contest, ingredients?

***Here, I think it's helpful for the mystery ingredient to have a category

so that people can focus their planning. Examples:

3-5 pounds of meat/bones

3 pounds of grain

1 bunch of green herb

a leavening agent

5 pounds of a root vegetable

1 pound of dried fruit

2 cups of condiment

3 pounds of fresh fruit

3 pounds of a dairy product

1 pound or quart of fat/oil

***Here's are some posts from another list involving a similar

discussion:

Some things which I think would help cooking contestants be able to produce

more the sort of dishes and feasts they would like to are:

1) List of the foods and amounts that will be available. This allows people

to really think about what dishes they would like to make. And also, it's

more realistic, even for siege conditions where the castle is still intact

that the cook(s) would have a very good idea of what is left to work

with.

2) Unlimited use of drinkable water.

3) The use of cooking equipment they are familiar with. (And a chance to

acquire or learn new equipment well in advance in the case of a site which

doesn't or may not if fire conditions are dangerous allow ground fires or

certain types of cooking equipment.)

4) In a competition where there is a surprise ingredient and the contestants

provide all the rest of the ingredients, some clue as to what the ingredient

will be or a list of 5 items from which it will be chosen. Examples:

a) 4 pounds of meat

b) 3 pounds of fruit

c) 5 pounds of an unground grain

d) one of the following--a quart of basalmic vinegar, a standard bottle of

red wine, half gallon of sweet apple cider, a quart of dark beer, a quart of

honey

e) 3 pounds each of two different root vegetables

This way it minimizes the expense of what needs to be brought and allows

people to do quite a bit of planning.

5) A place as close as possible for hand, food washing and cookware washing

to reduce time lost to that and risks to food safety.

6) Three to 4 hours to cook. This allows enough time to make yeast breads,

reasonably good broths, ferment things a bit, and chill things that are

better chilled.

7) Access to plenty of ice or chilling/freezing space.

*****

One thing that I'd very much like to see is for each team to have one or

more scribe-historian(s). This would be a non cooking member whose job

would be to:

1) Document the planning and the thinking that went into the planning of the

proposed recipes.

2) Collect recipes used(original, translation, redactions), or write down

recipes created on the fly and what recipe it's similar to.

3) Document the process used during the cooking contest--what order were

things done in and why. What things were changed along the way from the

plans due to unexpected situations?

4) Take pictures or video of ingredients, teams, process, finished dishes.

5) Provide a copy of this to sponsor who will then post it to main and

regional cooks lists. This would not be judged, but would be for other SCA

cooks to learn from.

I'd hope to see things like:

1) When we found out we had a whole chicken, we decided that since we only

had 2.5 hours, we'd cut it up and cook it fast with the idea that we could

impress with more dishes rather than one center piece roasted chicken. We

decided to cook it_______ and then cook the skin and bones for broth to use

in ______, _____, and ____.

2) We decided to use our dozen oranges four different ways:

juice in ________ dish

marmelade

candied orange peel

serving containers for the dessert course

3) We had planned to make yeast bread, and instead of it being 90 degrees

like the weather men had predicted the week before, it was only 40 degrees,

so the way we got the bread to rise without accidentally cooking it was

________.

4) Although these 6 ingredients would have been perfect to make _______ we

decided to make ____ and ______ to keep them all coming from the same German

cookbook so we'd get more points for keeping the meal in the same country

and time period.

*****

Some themes of contests I think would be fun:

1) All dishes to come from or be plausibly inspired by a particular

cookbook

or manuscript. This might be especially good for a book that has become

available in the last 1-2 years to encourage people to work from it.

2) Frugal siege contest. You have $X, your herbs/spices/salt/yeast, and

unlimited water. Search out the most frugal food and cook the biggest

meal

you can with what you find. Bring receipts for food.

3) Same as #2 with a time/place theme. May want to provide list of

appropriate foods(and allowable substitutes if any such as blueberries for

bilberries) or have teams provide documentation for foods they are using.

Schedule theme so that foods of that area are in season to reduce costs.

For instance you might do Viking in June when cabbage, onions, radishes,

carrots, turnips, parsnips, beets, strawberries, and cherries are in season,

or in October when all those things are back in season except swap dried

plums, rose hips, and apples for cherries and strawberries. And if

something like this was posted well in advance, teams could get nuts in the

fall when they were in season, and dry other foods at their most frugal

point to use along with the seasonal foods.

4) Pound Stone Soup

4-5 teams (of 10 people maximum)

3-5 judges

40 feaster, ingredient bringers (with own feast gear)

Cook teams have own spices/herbs/salt, yeast, drinking water, cooking

gear, and fire/stove/oven source.

By 7 pm night before, 40 feasters bring 4-5 pounds of ingredient to central

location. Each team gets a pound. Feasters are assigned to bring a

category of food, but no one knows exactly what until 6-7 pm. Feasters

must bring freshly bought, safely kept chilled or home grown fresh foods.

At 7 pm teams get their food and an extra $10 to buy whatever they want to

add to what they got.

Suggested division of foods:

Grain unground 3 feasters

Grain ground 2 feasters

Meat 5 feasters

Dairy(non cheese) 3 feasters

Cheese 2 feasters

Eggs 1 feaster (dozen per team)

Beans 1 feaster

Fruits, fresh 3 feasters

Fruits, dried, 1 feaster

Root vegetables 4 feasters

Nonroot vegetables 3 feasters

Mushrooms 1 feaster

Condiments ( vinegar, mustard, etc) 3 feasters

Sweetner (sugar, honey) 2 feasters

Fermented beverages 2 feasters

Unfermented beverages 1 feaster

Prepared food (such as olives) 1 feaster

Oil/fat 2 feasters

To deal with the feaster or two who doesn't arrive by 7 pm with their

ingredients....

a) Have a waiting list line where feaster pays $15.

b) Shopper is standing by at grocery store with cell phone.

c) Organizer tells shopper what is missing such as 1 root vegetable and

1 grain, ground. Then shopper can pick up those two and have them to

teams by 8 pm. And this is a chance to balance out what may be missing. For

example if root vegetable feasters have brought turnips, carrots, and radishes,

shopper might get onions.

Cooks team then needs to have food ready for judging by 11 am next day in

central cooking/eating area.

After judging, around 12-12:15 pm, and then 40 feasters can eat for 1 to 1.5

hours. Any remaining food can be divided between teams, swapping as they

like.

5) Pound Stone Soup as in #4 with theme as in #3.

6) A 3-4 course 12 dish feast where teams make dishes from 1 place and era

with each dish having a food/herb that grows wild in north west

Pennsylvania. (Foods not to be picked at Pennsic/event), but brought from

home.

7) A meal where one ingredient is used in every dish in a variety of ways.

Limit to 10-12 dishes.

8) As in #2 but just a meal for the judges in Chef on a Shoestring style

with $30 for ingredients. Besides the usual judging criteria, points for

using one food in multiple ways, and points for using all edible parts in

some way. Points for choosing a theme and having a meal that all matches

the theme.

9) A year long garden-cook challenge. Participants are allotted X amount to

buy seeds, and Y amount to buy things they can't or don't want to grow. I

would suggest $15/$20 for X/Y. They then prepare a feast for 3 judges and

17 feasters. If there are multiple teams, each team could have 17 different

feasters. All food must be grown or bought within the $ limits including the

herbs and the spices. Unlimited use of water.

Sharon

gordonse at one.net

*****************************

Exactly. Which has me thinking.... what if we were to have a pseudo

class type thingy without the cooking that did exactly this? What if we were

to get a bunch of us cooks together, pull random items out of a hat and then

gather teams of cooks together for a sort of brainstorm session. Would

people be interested in this kind of class? No cooking involved, just idea

generation to get you in the thinking mode that would be required for this.

I think it would be helpful to have a class with a faux siege event where

you give a siege scenario and then have one or more presenters tell how they

would have done the feast, how they would have thought about their

ingredients, and why they would have chosen what they did (have info and

solution prepared ahead of time.). Then for the second hour, divide the

group into 3-4 groups, give them a second siege scenario and ingredient list

with amounts. Let each group spend 20 or so minutes coming up with a menu,

perhaps with the all them using copies of the same good historic recipe book

for a focus. Then let each group spend 2-3 minutes presenting their menu

and how they would use their ingredients. Then ask some experienced feast

cooks or siege cooks go over the menus and talk about pluses and minuses of

each solution. Class participants might also be provided with 3-4 solutions

that have been worked out ahead of time with written commentary for the same

siege scenario and ingredients.

I think it would also be helpful about every 4-6 weeks to have a virtual

siege feast challenge like this on the SCA-Cooks list with copies to feast

list, kingdom cooks' lists and local lists. Let people work on the

challenge for a week or so, post their menus and then a rotating set of

experienced cooks/judges/teachers could provide commentary on what people

came up with for menus as well as what they might do themselves. I think

it's helpful if the commentators rotate, not only for different perspectives

but also so the most knowlegeable people can participate as well.

Another thing that I find helpful is to give people a list of 5 main

ingredients and tell them to assume that they have yeast, herbs, spices,

salt, and water. Then ask small groups to brain storm everything (or

everything within a certain frame work of place and century if they are

doing this over time and have more time to look things up) they can think of

to make from the food. In this case, it's not like siege cookery in that a

particular ingredient gets used up, but they can use the ingredients many

times in different ways. This really gets the creativity going, and the

groups learn a lot from thinking about the foods in all sorts of ways, and

from seeing how the groups overlap or don't in their dishes. With a

versatile set of ingredients, it's quite possible to come up with 100-200

different dishes from 5 ingredients. It is important to keep the group

focused on the 5 ingredients though and not creating 40 kinds of bread, each

using one of the spices, for instance.

Some easy sets of brainstorming ingredients are:

1) Whole chicken with all of its edible organs, 5 pounds of flour, 5 pounds

of onions, 2 pounds carrots, large green cabbage.

2) 3 pounds ham, 2 pounds lentils, 3 pounds rice, 5 pounds apples, 5

pounds mixed salad greens.

3) 2 pounds sausage, 3 pounds fresh cherries, 5 pounds wheat berries, 2

pounds of leeks, 5 pounds fresh peas in the shell.

4) 5 gallons of milk fresh from the cow, 2 pounds dried figs, 1 gallon apple

cider, 5 pounds flour, 5 pounds spinach.

5) One dozen eggs, 5 pounds flour, 10 pounds grapes,

Some more challenging sets of 5 ingredents are:

1) 3 pounds of a tough cut of beef, 5 pounds of turnips with greens

attached, 3 pounds of beets, 3 pounds of onions, 3 pounds of fresh plums.

2) 3 pounds portobello mushrooms, 3 pounds rice, 2 pounds hard italian

cheese(romano), 3 pounds oranges, 1 pound grape leaves in vinegar.

3) 2 pounds brie, 3 pounds blueberries, 5 pounds artichokes, 2 pounds cured

olives, 2 large loaves honey wheat bread

4) 3 pounds shelled almonds, 2 quarts honey, 5 pounds oats, 5 pounds

grapes, 3 pounds strawberries

*****************************

> I like the concept of virtual siege cookery. It would make a lively exercise

> at any event or group meeting because you wouldn't have the equipment

> constraints, just the books, pen, and paper.

***And you could practice and learn the thinking and planning part of it

with less expense as well.

> Though, doing a virtual siege online might be fun, too. But the time

> constraints are different, ie. less "thinking on your feet" and more

> book and collaboration time.

***I see this as learning like you might learn how to be an EMT or a doctor

in the ER--learning from books and good teachers, then virtual patients,

then faux patients, then patients under non crisis conditions, then patients

in crisis conditions. And at each step, you develop more and different sets

of skills. In most things I think the best outcomes are often from people

with a great depth and breadth of knowlege, experience, and skill who can

then add that speedy thinking on their feet when needed in crisis

situations.

Sharon

Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:19:38 -0800

From: Dragon <dragon at crimson-dragon.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Everything old is new again

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Robert Evans wrote:

> is that like an A&S thing.

> not trying to be smart, just wanta know were i could get some of

> that siege action.

> Kluas

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It's a competition at May Potrero War in the Barony of Calafia. I do

not know if anyone else does it but if they don't, they should.

http://www.potrerowar.org/ for more info.

The competition is structured thusly:

* Up to five teams compete, each team must have at least three people

but there is no upper limit in the rules (though there is a practical

one).

* At the appointed time on Friday evening, the teams are called

together to receive a box of groceries and be told the scenario for

the event.

* The teams then have 24 hours to transform their box of goods into

an appetizing feast that fits the given scenario. After the 24 hours

are elapsed, the judging begins.

* One of the tasks is to identify all of the items in the box. Some

things are easy, others are much more difficult.

* Then there is cooking, lots of cooking. The only things that can be

added to what is in the box are water and heat. No electric

appliances are allowed though propane stoves can be used.

* And then there is documentation. If you can cite a real recipe from

period sources or use one as inspiration, so much the better.

* And when all the cooking be done, it is time to present to the

judges. Presentation in an attractive and fitting manner also counts

towards the determination of the winning team.

* The judges then get more than their fill of all of the items and

make their choices for best team, best dish and best overall use of

ingredients.

Eventually winners are announced and a good time was had by all.

Last year was the first time I had ever entered this competition, I

collected a few people whom I knew I could work with who also had

great culinary minds and we set out to see what we could do. Maggie

MacDonald (who also is on this list) was one of them. The other two

are not to my knowledge members of this forum. We were the smallest

team and one of two rookie teams. When all was said and done, we had

taken both best team and best dish.

We made fresh goat cheese, a braised lamb shank with dried fruit and

hazlenuts, a pottage of lentils and pot herbs, wheat flat bread,

pickled figs, three kinds of sausage, pork with mushrooms, grilled

chicken with pomegranate sauce, blancmange, a sweet date and nut

bread and a few other times. We won our best dish title with a flan

that we had steamed and topped with quince paste.

I have since gotten "the band" back together and invited Selene and

my young protege Kathleen de Galloway (12 years old and smart as a

whip) to compete again this coming May.

It's going to be fun and we shall make a full report upon the

completion of the event.

Dragon

Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:28:10 -0800

From: Dragon <dragon at crimson-dragon.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Everything old is new again

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Susan Fox wrote:

> Kathleen A Roberts wrote:

>> Susan Fox <selene at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>> I don't expect that

>>> Takoyaki will be on the menu unless for some reason,

>>> Octopus is in the food box, which I really don't expect.

>> now that's a visual that's gonna stick.

>> cailte

> C'mon, this is not IRON CHEF [Japanese Version], all the

> ingredients so far have not needed killing.

> Yet.

> Uh Oh.

> Selene, sharpening my knives...

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That would sure mess with some of the teams.

At least then I would remember to clean the fish...

Selene will never let me live this down so I might as well come clean

on it.

OK, I must confess, we had one major faux pas in last year's

competition, but it was not enough to kill us outright as everything

else we did was pretty much spot on. We had been given a frozen fish

in our box. It was the last thing we were to cook and we were running

out of time. So I made this wonderful bed of spinach, then poached

the fish in wine with saffron and leeks and onion and then garnished

it with almonds. It was beautiful. But it was a WHOLE fish. As in, it

needed gutting. I was in such a hurry, I forgot to do it.

Now in my defense, I will say that it is extremely unusual for a

packaged frozen fish to arrive in an uncleaned state in this day and

age in the United States. So accustomed to the usual state of such

things, it didn't even occur to me that it hadn't been cleaned. Thus,

I have recruited Selene to be my fish inspector.

Dragon

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:28:34 -0400

From: "Gaylin Walli" <gaylinwalli at gmail.com>

Subject: [Sca-cooks] September 2008 MK Cook's Challenge

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

With the exception of August (because of Pennsic), the Middle Kingdom Cooks

list has been regularly having "challenges" among its members. These may

include things like virtual siege challenges, disaster recovery challenges

(e.g.,, the kitchen burned down the night before the event, what do you

do?), or thought provokers intended to spur discussions (e.g., other than

your chef's knife, what single tool is essential to your recreation?).

Challenges are issued (by me, based on private requests and my little ol'

evil imagination), the first of every month or the closest day thereto if

that day falls on a weekend or a holiday. I issued September's Challenge

this morning and thought that, now that I've resubscribed to SCA Cooks,

perhaps people here might be interested in seeing the challenges as well.

Enjoy,

Iasmin

***************************************

In honor of being back from Pennsic (and at the request of a few members),

this month's Cook's Challenge is a good, old fashioned, (virtual) siege

challenge, taken from Iasmin's Disaster Deck (minus the disaster).

The Challenge:

You are the besieged in a fortified location. Your food stores are running

low and you must figure out a way to end the siege to avoid the possibility

of starvation. Your enemy has agreed to parlay at your location and you must

appear to be able to hold out for many more months should negotiations go

poorly. Your goals are to create the greatest number of *tasty* and viable

dishes with only the ingredients listed below.

The Rules:

-- You have unlimited supplies of fat and water.

-- You must use recipes that would have been used in period and you must

list the title and general description of the recipe.

-- You must list roughly the amount of the ingredients you're using in the

recipe (and obviously your total amounts must equal those listed below).

-- You can split the amount of an ingredient as much as you need to between

recipes in order to make the dishes you need to.

-- You can assume you have a a fully functional medieval or renaissance

kitchen, not just a fire pit.

-- Your time is not limited for preparation, but you probably don't have

more than two days before the negotiations must take place.

The Ingredients:

You have exactly these ingredients to spare for you dinner and no more (with

the exception of the fat and water)....

-- one 3 lb whole roasting chicken, all parts attached (except the feathers)

-- 3 chicken eggs

-- 1 lbs of brown rice

-- 2 cups whole wheat flour

-- 5 spring onions (green onions with the stalks attached)

-- 1/2 cup dried prunes

-- 2 rather runty apples

-- 1/2 cup dried currants

-- a whole lemon, rather wrinkled

-- 1/2 lb white, hard cheese, unknown type

-- 1/2 cup olive oil

-- 1/2 cup honey

-- 1 cup goat's milk

-- 1/2 lbs fresh spinach

-- 3 large, red carrots, tops attached (in miraculously good condition)

-- 1 small bunch of thyme

-- 2 sticks of cinnamon

-- 1/4 cup whole, raw almonds

What do you cook?

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:51:43 -0400

From: "Gaylin Walli" <gaylinwalli at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] September 2008 MK Cook's Challenge

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:43 AM, S CLEMENGER <sclemenger at msn.com> wrote:

<<< Question: How many people is each dish supposed to feed?

--Maire >>>

I've intentionally left this vague. As I described on the MK Cooks list, the

goals are to create as many dishes as possible, but it assumes that you

won't be serving a dish that looks skimpy. What is your judgement on skimpy?

What looks like an acceptable amount and why? Think about these things as

you're figuring out your dishes and feel free to discuss the implications of

your choices when you send your list.

As a way of further explanation, sometimes we leave these things out to spur

conversation on the list. It allows for more discussion. :)

Iasmin

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:13:36 -0700

From: David Friedman <ddfr at daviddfriedman.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] September 2008 MK Cook's Challenge

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

<<< The Challenge:

You are the besieged in a fortified location. Your food stores are running

low and you must figure out a way to end the siege to avoid the possibility

of starvation. Your enemy has agreed to parlay at your location and you must

appear to be able to hold out for many more months should negotiations go

poorly. >>>

There is a period solution to this problem--a Russian story--although

I don't think you could manage it with your ingredients.

Dig two pits. Fill one with beer, the other with porridge. When the

envoy from the besiegers comes, mention that you have no problem with

food and drink, since you have a porridge well and a beer well. When

he expresses curiosity, show them to him, give him a taste from each.

Might have been kvass, rather than beer--a while since I read the story.

David/Cariadoc

www.daviddfriedman.com

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:14:12 -0700

From: Deborah Hammons <mistressaldyth at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] back from war - siege cooking

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

My way more than 2 cents:

I have been fortunate to be the Outlands judge for all 4 years. Each year

has been a learning experience for the cooking teams, the judges, and the

period encampment. I still cringe at the title of Siege cooking, rather

than Combat cooking for the Estrella competition. I feel strongly in a

siege situation you are intimately familiar with your larder and should not

have to identify the ingredients you are given. In a combat cooking

situation (Iron Chef) it is more important to do the identifying.

The judging forms have changed every year. This year they used the one from

the Southern Crusades.

The obstacles:

Documentation is not required, but the teams are graded lower if it is not

provided.

Heavy consideration is given to presentation, ambiance, and sanitation.

Hand washing even if it was not demonstrated to be a practice in the time

and place. Forks or no forks.

I am going to try and send a better judging form for them to use next year.

I think the teams would benefit from seeing those forms before the

competition so they know just what they need to accomplish in each area. It

has to be better than going from Wow to Edible. And they really do need to

decide if they want a documentable re creation of food, or seat of the pants

cooking.

Aldyth

And Cailte, if you have that bread recipe with the buckwheat groats in it.

Pretty Please?

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Susan Fox <selene at earthlink.net> wrote:

<<< Following more than one thread here. Congratulations to the victors of

Siege Cookery! I have judged it before and hoo doggies, that is a LOT of

work and discussion to decide amongst even two complete presentations.

Three were nearly impossible, and I had to say I was relived that no other

kingdoms entered. [We did come up with an Inter-Kingdom Stupid Peer

Trick... but that's another story.] >>>