event-maps-msg - 12/26/11
Ideas and suggestions for making maps to SCA events.
NOTE: See also the files: gate-guards-msg, maps-msg, hotel-events-msg, evnt-stewards-msg, reservations-msg, waterbearing-msg, demos-msg, tokens-msg.
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Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] Bryn Gwlad Baronial Championship Oversight
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:10:41 -0500
From: "ebrown" <caladin at io.com>
To: <bryn-gwlad at ansteorra.org>
> > Yes, hussah, it was an excellent event, and thanks are definitely due to
> > everyone who pitched in and made it so good! Once i got there all was
> > wonderful, and the feast was superb!
> >
> > (With the sole exception of map and directions, which were less than
> > excellent by a wide mark, IMHO)
> >
> > caladin
>
> I take it,then, that Calidin is in charge of maps and directions for the
> next event. ;-)
>
> Pendaran
As I remember I've made maps for you before, Pendaren :)
Actaully even good maps are really quite simple.. Just follow the Three
rules and the one Hi tech addemdum and you'll do fabulously.. but omitting even one of the three rules can bite you in the heiny....
The rules are:
1. Always have a compass rose displaying North.
2. Always Show the name of every road , and the name and number of any exit.
3. Always Show distances between each turn accurate to 10ths of a
mile....after you turn off the highway
and the "High tech addendum", which is not required but is awefully clever
and a general good idea...
After you have finished your map, goto Mapquest.com and check to see if
you've accurately described to roads turns and the approximate scale...
Two weeks ago at elfsea was a classic example... on the map the road was
straight... in mapquest.com it showed a 90 degree turn half way down to the
site...
Subject: [Bryn-gwlad] Map FU....
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:10:15 -0500
From: "Eric Brown" <caladin at io.com>
To: <bryn-gwlad at ansteorra.org>
I whipped something together and put it up if anyone is interested in
takeing a look and giving be feedback, i'd appreacite it...
http://www.io.com/~caladin/maps.htm
C-
P.S. If some of the examples are taken from real life, please no one get
upset....it's just a good example.. :)
From: "Haraldr Bassi (Ansteorra lists)" <ansteorra at haraldr.drakkar.org>
Date: January 7, 2008 7:16:12 PM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Locations
Greetings from another relative newcomer to Ansteorra,
Replying publicly so that future event staff will hear my request as
well... May I also suggest encouraging
people to use street numbers and street names that resolve in the
various mapping software and commonly used GPS navigation systems.
Most events I've attended in this kingdom I've had to guess and
search to find something I could enter into
the GPS systems in my vehicles to guide me on my way around this new,
to me, kingdom. I know that some
kingdoms have a requirement that to be 'official' the event needs to
have a street address or state 'no street
address'. But even most of those events always had an actual street
address when you drove out there with a GPS system :)
Haraldr
From: "Maria Buchanan" <scarlettmb at sbcglobal.net>
Date: January 7, 2008 8:04:56 PM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Locations
The problem with some street addresses is that the entrance to a site
is not always on the street that the address is listed on.
In Gate's Edge we have most of our events at a site called Camp Camwood.
You may have been there. The problem is the address is listed on one street
but that's where the mailbox is. Not where the entrance to the site is.
The entrance is actually down the street and around a corner. You can't map
that location though. If you map the site you get the street address and
then it's just confusing. Now we actually put SCA signs on the road so you
know where to turn.
I'd hope that groups that also have that problem would do the same
thing.
Maria
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa A. May" <maaggie1 at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Locations
> I'm with Haraldr on this one. Often enough to be annoying, for
> official events, there is no street address for the site. Sometimes
> a PO box is given, sometimes an intersection, and sometimes just the
> site's name. As someone who is directionally challenged <grin>, I've
> more than once had to spend considerable time on the internet finding
> an address I can type in to my GPS system in my car. Occasionally,
> I've had to just wing it, which is certainly doable, but when you're
> driving alone, it's nice not to have to stop to consult your map,
> especially when you have a nice little electronic brain that could
> guide you if you only had an address!
>
> Maggie
From: "Ceallach mac Donal" <ceallach at dwarfworks.com>
Date: January 7, 2008 8:37:38 PM CST
To: "Maria Buchanan" <scarlettmb at sbcglobal.net>, "Kingdom of
Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Event Locations
On Jan 7, 2008 8:04 PM, Maria Buchanan <scarlettmb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> The problem with some street addresses is that the entrance to a
> site is not always on the street that the address is listed on.
>
> In Gate's Edge we have most of our events at a site called Camp
> Camwood.
A bit of playing around with Google Maps, Google Earth, or whatever
Microsoft's web map is will let you find out the coordinates for a
place, i.e.
Camp Camwood at 30.117178,-95.807261
f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Camp+Camwood+%
4030.117178,-95.807261&ie=UTF8&ll=30.117364,-95.807261&spn=0.010877,0.01
3669&t=h&z=16&om=1
*chuckle* I've actually gotten a Google "My Maps" with most of the SCA
event sites within a four hour drive of Austin in it now.
Ceallach
Subject: Re: How to post an event properly?
Posted by: "Eowyn Cenek" eowyn.cenek at gmail.com e_cenek
Date: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:16 am ((PDT))
Please, please, please don't just look over the directions. Have someone who
has never been to the site follow them, exactly as written. Both mapquest
and google maps are quite capable of sending you up small nonexistent dirt
roads, and when you've been on the road for 8+ hours, getting lost at the
last minute because the directions >looked< good (but were bad) is really
frustrating.
Also please don't assume everyone has GPS. We don't. The vehicles are paid
for and that's an upgrade we haven't budgeted yet.
Eowyn
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Stefan li Rous
<stefanlirous at austin.rr.com>wrote:
<<< Phrases like "the same place as last year", do NOT cut it. Even people
who were there last year may not remember how to get there. And new
folks or folks from out of the area or kingdom are really in a fix
then. It is best before you publish directions to actually use them
to get to the site, or have someone else do this or at least look over
the directions. And with the increased availablity of smart cell
phones, put the directions to a site on the site's website. Sometimes
people forget to pack the Kingdom or local newsletter. >>>
Subject: Re: How to post an event properly?
Posted by: "Eowyn Cenek" eowyn.cenek at gmail.com e_cenek
Date: Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:22 am ((PDT))
If that was 2009, it's exactly the one I'm thinking of. Following the
directions as posted led to arriving at the home of some very disgruntled
rednecks after traipsing down a dirt road. And they weren't happy for the
company. :)
Eowyn
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Barbara Easley <barbara.easley at fedex.com>wrote:
<<< AMEN!! Google nearly sent folks to the next world with one of their
hair-brained directions in Arkansas one year (since been fixed by Google).
Scared several of us out of 10 years of our lives!
Ilissa the ditch-dodger >>>
----- Original Message -----
From: Eowyn Cenek <eowyn.cenek at gmail.com>
<<< Please please please don't just look over the directions. Have someone who has never been to the site follow them, exactly as written. Both mapquest and google maps are quite capable of sending you up small nonexistent dirt roads, and when you've been on the road for 8+ hours, getting lost at the last minute because the directions >looked< good (but were bad) is really frustrating.
Also please don't assume everyone has GPS. We don't. The vehicles are paid for and that's an upgrade we haven't budgeted yet.
Eowyn >>>
Subject: Re: How to post an event properly?
Posted by: "Leonard Hollar" lhollar at comcast.net ibriham2000
Date: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:47 am ((PDT))
This is very, _very_ good advice. Did I say it was Really, really good
advice?
I once wrote a set of directions that left off one turn. The Princess, and
her entourage, of Drachenwald was lost for hours and never forgave me.
It _is_ a REALLY good idea.
Ebrahim/Leonard
<<< Please please please don't just look over the directions. Have someone who
has never been to the site follow them, exactly as written. Both mapquest
and google maps are quite capable of sending you up small nonexistent dirt
roads, and when you've been on the road for 8+ hours, getting lost at the
last minute because the directions >looked< good (but were bad) is really
frustrating. >>>
<the end>