paper-msg - 9/27/00
Medieval paper. Sources for similar paper today.
NOTE: See also the files: papermaking-msg, parchment-msg, inks-msg, papermaking-msg, sealing-wax-msg, calligraphy-msg, callig-suppl-msg, wax-tablets-msg.
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From: cav at storm.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Leather & Ink?
Date: 13 Mar 1997 14:01:17 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Russell Gilman-Hunt <rgh at continue.uoregon.edu> writes:
|> Actually, what I was aiming at, since I couldn't find vellum, was
|> a better presentation for a written poem than ballpoint on notepaper,
|> if you know what I mean. You know, something different, yet attractive.
Er...how about quill pen or calligraphy pen, using a good ink (Jack Thompson -
tcl at teleport.com - in Portland sells medieval style iron-gall ink), on a quality
laid paper? Rather than trying to find a paper that simulates vellum (something
paper rarely succeeds in doing), why not find a paper that looks like the sort
of paper that would have been available in Europe in the middle ages? Remember,
they were making paper at Fabriano in Italy in the 13th century (and they still
do). Look for a high-rag content laid paper. That would be even more authentic
than using a paper that's masquerading as vellum (unless you're shooting for
a pre-13th century effect). Even if you are, you could enter it as a
14th century copy of a poem written before paper was introduced to Europe. Nyah!
|> My entry is the poem, not the leather/ink stuff. Anyway.
If that's the case, I'd just use a good, attractive paper. No point in
hammering a square peg into a round hole. Paper has it's own unique beauty
and charm. No need to make it try to be something it's not. There's also
a purely technical consideration. *Some* immitation 'parchment' papers are
made by chemical processes that render them subject to rapid degradation.
|> I'll probably go to Art Media and see what they have there; the
|> quoted price was $.20 a sheet for 8x10.
Real vellum would cost you between 100 and 200 times that much, depending on
where you got it. If that doesn't daunt you, get in touch with me next time,
but give yourself a couple months time to work out the logistics of delivery.
(hint - it's always cheaper to buy whole or half hides than trimmed rectangular
pieces)
Cheers,Rick/Balderik
[Submitted by: "Alderton, Philippa" <phlip at morganco.net>]
From: R.L. Hunsucker (UvA/UBA) <hunsucker at uba.uva.nl>
To: BYZANS-L at lists.missouri.edu <BYZANS-L at lists.missouri.edu>
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: Paper/Parchment
At 19:25 9-11-99 -0500, Diana Wright wrote:
>Can anyone direct me to books or articles on the economics of parchment
>and/or paper production in medieval/renaisance/byzantine times?
You might try:
Pergament : Geschichte, Struktur, Restaurierung, Herstellung /
hrsg. von Peter RÙck. - Sigmaringen : Thorbecke, 1991. -
480 p. : ill. ; 31 cm. - (Historische Hilfswissenschaften ; Bd. 2).
ISBN 3-7995-4202-7
which has among other things a bibliographical article by
Stefan Janzen and Angelika Manetzki, "Pergamentbibliographie",
on pp. 415-476 -- as well as RÙck's own "Zum Stand der
hilfswissenschaftlichen Pergamentforschung" on pp. 13-23.
and (just to mention some fairly recent stuff) such books as:
Produzione e commercio della carta e del libro, secc. XIII-XVIII :
atti della "Ventitreesima Settimana di Studi" 15-20 aprile 1991 /
a cura di Simonetta Cavaciocchi. - [Firenze] : Le Monnier, 1992.
- 1039 p. : ill. ; 22 cm. - (Istituto Internazionale di Storia Economica
"F.Datini" Prato. Serie II, Atti delle "Settimane di Studi" e altri
Covegni ; 23).
ISBN 88-00-72223-7
Papier : eine Kulturgeschichte / Wilhelm Sandermann. - 3.
Aufl., ergaenzt und ueberarb. / von Klaus Hoffmann. - Berlin
[etc.] : Springer Verlag, cop. 1997. - XII, 262 p. : ill. ; 21 cm
ISBN 3-540-55313-4
La saga du papier / Pierre-Marc de Biasi et Karine Douplitzky.
- Paris : Adam Biro ; Issy-les-Moulineux : Arte Editions, 1999.
- 256 p. : ill. ; 31 cm. - (Collection Textures).
ISBN 2-87660-228-8
L'histoire du papier / Christian Bouyer. - [Turnhout] : Brepols,
cop. 1994. - 63 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.
ISBN 2-503-50351-9
Zum Stand der Papiergeschichtsforschung in Deutschland :
Symposium mit Papierhistorikern und -wissenschaftlern
anlaesslich des 600jaehrigen Jubilaeums der Papiermacherei
in Deutschland / Guenter Bayerl, Wolfgang Schlieder, Rolf
Stuempel (Hrsg.). - Frankfurt am Main [etc.] : Peter Lang,
1993. - 128 p. ; 21 cm.
ISBN 3-631-44539-3
Making paper : a look into the history of an ancient craft
/ Bo Rudin ; [transl. from Swedish by Roger G. Tanner]. -
Vaellingby : Rudins, 1990. - 278 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
ISBN 91-970888-2-X
Papermaking in Britain, 1488-1988 : a short history /
Richard L. Hills. - London ; Atlantic Highlands, NJ : Athlone
Press, 1988. - 249 p. : ill. ; 26 cm.
ISBN 0-485-11346-5
and particularly such articles as:
those by Nicolas Barker (pp. 213-219), Jean-Francois Bergier
(pp. 27-43), Richard L. Hills (pp. 73-97), and Franz Irsigler
(pp. 143-199) in Cavaciocchi (see above)
Wolfgang von Stromer, "Innovations in Paper Manufacture in
the Late Middle Ages and in the Early Modern Period",
Technik-geschichte : Zeitschrift der Verein Deutscher
Ingenieure, Vol. 60 (Issue 1), 1993, pp. 1-6
Daniel V. Thompson, "Medieval Parchment-making", The
library : a magazine of bibliography and literature, Vol. 16
(Issue 1), jun-1935, pp. 113 ff.
Roderick J. Lyall, "Materials: the paper revolution", Book
Production and Publishing in Britain 1375-1475. Ed. Jeremy
Griffiths and Derek Pearsall (Cambridge Studies in Publishing
and Printing History), Cambridge: Cambridge University Press,
1989, pp. 11-29
Lore Sporhan-Krempel, "Papier als Handelsware - dargestellt am
Beispiel der Reichsstadt Ravensburg zwischen 1400 und 1730",
Exportgewerbe und Aussenhandel vor der Industriellen Revolution.
Festschrift fuer Univ. Prof. Dr. Georg Zwanowetz anlaesslich der
Vollendung des 65. Lebensjahres. Ed. Franz Mathis and Jozef
Riedmann (Veroeffentlichungen der Universitaet Innsbruck, 142),
Innsbruck: Universitaet Innsbruck, 1984, pp. 31-45
I hope that this might help some. - L. Hunsucker
~~~~~~~~~
//| dr. R. Laval Hunsucker
/#| vakreferent Klassiek cultuurgebied
/#| (subject specialist / bibliographer - for classical philology,
/#| ancient history, archaeology, + postclassical Latin)
/#| Bibliotheek (Humaniora / UB), Univ. v. Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:29:32 -500
From: "Tara Sersen"<tsersen at nni.com>
Subject: Re: SC - duck and bread
> recipes seem to prove. As for the poem, which is a
> puzzle, I ask this: how thin was paper during the time
> that this poem was written? A lot of the home-made
> papers that I have seen many paper-makers produce
> don't come anywhere near as thin as modern papers or
> modern filo dough.
I've handled real, live 15th century books of days with paper almost as fine
as the stuff they print Bibles on nowadays. I've also purchased hand-made papers
from Pearl Arts & Crafts that were extremely fine, almost onion-skin weight.
The reason why most hand-made paper is fairly crude is that most of us trying
to make it are amateurs - even those who do it a lot don't do it as a career,
only a hobby.
- -Magdalena vander Brugghe
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