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Suggestions on making SCA groups (Baronies, Shires) spread out over large geographical areas, work.


NOTE: See also the files: new-groups-msg, households-msg, fundraising-msg, travel-funds-msg, largess-ideas-msg, Baronial-Lead-art, recruitment-msg.





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    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

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Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] [OT} Questions about groups that cover large geographical areas

Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:28:52 -0800

From: "Laura C. Minnick" <lcm at efn.org>

To: <Susan-the-Curious at swbell.net>

CC: "Mark.S Harris (rsve60)" <mark.s.harris at motorola.com>


"Mark.S Harris" wrote:

> > I have a question for anyone who has lived in a Barony or group that is/was

> > over a large geographical area. How did you keep people involved in the

> > group at large, when it was difficult for them to come into the population

> > center very often; but want to stay apart of it as opposed to starting an

> > insipient group of their own? I would love to hear of all the different

> > things you all have known of, because I have had quite a few people that

> > this question applies to in our group during my 5 months as Hospitaller

> > and have no examples to fall back on.


Try forming more Cantons. Last I knew, you only needed three people to

form a Canton- they are still part of the Barony, report through

Baronial officers, have support of the Barony for having events and

such, can borrow money from the Baronial coffers. They can also hold

meetings on their own, and do SCA stuff, without having to drive alot.

Talk to the hats and the seneschal about it- it may be the perfect way

to keep people involved without cutting them off from civilization.





Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:27:55 -0800

From: "Laura C. Minnick" <lcm at efn.org>

To: Susan <catmafia at swbell.net>

CC: Stefan li Rous <stefan at texas.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] [OT} Questions about groups that cover large geographical areas


Susan wrote:

> Thank you, our biggest thing right now is that they really aren't areas who

> have the numbers now to support being a Canton and would prefer to remain

> part of our Barony.  If they get more active though, it might be the way

> they want to go.


OK- I have a couple of minutes here, so I will give you to better advice



I was a Regional Seneschal, and also a Principality Chatelaine, so I

have a few tricks up my sleeve, especially since the Pr of the Summits

has LOTS of outlying areas...


1. Always remember that you don't HAVE to have a branch to do SCA stuff!

You can do household things, or just a few friends working on a project

together. Only diff is, it usually doesn't go in an official newsletter

(Kingdom/Principality) and you aren't covered by the SCA insurance

(actually, most of what we do is not covered by the insurance, but that

is another matter). Suggestions- someone can call up a couple of friends

and have an informal cooks' night, sewing night,

'try-to-put-up-the-new-pavilion-in-the-yard' party. This works well in

you have a couple of people relatively close together.


2. This is really a challenge for the Baronial officers- a good thing

would be for them to put on a 'travelling road show', and go visit some

of those outlying areas. Maybe the Herald could hold a special heraldry

night once a month that is not in Tulsa, but out in one of those

valleys, or whatever. Get the local person to get a place to meet- a pub

or pizza hall, and then put in the Baronial newsletter something like

"The second Monday this month the Herald will be on pilgrimage to the

Valley of Podunk Pigs. He invites you to join him there for an evening

of teaching, consultation, and as many pig puns as we can think of." And

the Arts officer, the Marshal, whatever. Rotate so several of the

outlying areas get attention, and space them so it does not unduly

inconvenience the officers (though I believe that it is the job of the

officer to be inconvenienced!)


3. See if you can get the B&B to do similarly. Many places encourage the

hats to hold 'open house' so they can have an informal way to greet

their populace. If they were to occasionally go on progress, this might

be a nice way to encourage participants. And the hats can also see what

the difficulty is if they actually have to drive it themselves sometime!


4. Think about a 'meet in the middle' evening- a not-quite-prime-time

council meeting. One of the Cantons of the Barony of Adiantum (Eugene

Oregon) is about 40 miles away, and they have a once a month meeting in

a small town between, so the travel burden is shared. It doesn't solve

the whole problem, but it does help a great deal!


Principality of the Summits covers Southern Oregon. There's several

river valleys, and two mountain ranges. To drive from the northern

border to the southern border where the mountains divide us from the

West, involves six mountain passes and about four hours of travel. And

that is just west of the Cascades- the east side is much bigger. Tiny

timber towns, mostly, full of poverty, heartache, and drugs. Some of our

shires hang by a thread. But hang they do- for many folks the SCA is

their hold on having a life with promise. Many of them never get out of

their local shires, but they keep plugging away...


Let me know if you have any questions, and if I can think of anything

else, I'll drop off another note. I'd be happy to help with whatever I




(Elaine de Montgris, alphabet soup+)



Subject: [Ansteorra] Re: And Miles to Go Before We Sleep

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:08:20 -0600

From: "Jacque" <jacquelight at cableone.net>

To: <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>


In response to the question about large land areas:


The Western Region has dealt with the question of lots of land and few

people for almost 2 decades now.  It sometimes seems as if the adversity has

just drawn us that much closer as a family and we have a very unique style

and way in which we do things out here. In particular, the areas around

Amarillo (Adlersruhe) have faced the greatest challenges.  One idea that has

been suggested is to hold web meetings. If you are two here and two there,

network and do it that way, or even an SCA style chat room to take care of

business could help.  Make your house the local gathering spot for those not

having computer access.  (Great excuse for a revel!)  Then plan regular get

togethers well in advance so that everyone can make plans.  Rotating places

always helps.  No one likes to be the ones to drive forever all the time:))


Mistress Ulrica...Way Out West

Western Regional Seneschal



Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:40:07 +0700

From: JL Badgley <tatsushu at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] lonely in Gisborne

To: "The Shambles, the SCA Lochac mailing list" <lochac at sca.org.au>


<<< We've just had some folks join up in Gisborne, New Zealand. ?The

nearest active group to them is Cluain, which is several hours away.

The registry is pretty bare in that neck of the woods, but maybe we've

got an east coast lurker or two for them to play with ? ?Anyone ?



SCANZ Registrar >>>


Greetings from the North!


In dealing with this problem ourselves, several things appear to be helping.


1) Finding more members (we are fortunate in that we had a good core

of 5 right from the start).

2) Electronic communication.  E-mail, but also chats--instant

messaging does a great job of bringing people into real-time

communication. Phone conversations for the same reason.

3) "Virtual" meetings.  An extension of the above.  The Barony of the

Far West has had some success with Virtual Courts.  With some trusted

people on the ground, and regular visits, I would offer that other

things (authorizations, etc.) could be done virtually as well, but it

should probably be reserved as an extraordinary measure, nonetheless.

We even recently had our baroness join our event virtually (wi-fi +

video chat) when she ran into passport problems and couldn't make it



Not that this should be something to strive for, but it can help in these times.


-Ii Katsumori

Incipient Canton of the Golden Plains

Palatine Barony of the Far West

Kingdom of the West

(Bangkok, Thailand)


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