cherries-msg – 12/6/11


Period cherries and cherry dishes. Recipes.


NOTE: See also the files: apples-msg, fruit-quinces-msg. sugar-msg,

vegetables-msg, melons-msg, nuts-msg, pomegranates-msg, fruits-msg, pies-msg,

fruit-pies-msg, wines-msg.


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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:22:57 -0400

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - cherries


Mark Harris wrote:

> Is this Russian Cherry Soup period? Sounds like it probably isn't. Could

> you please post this recipe anyway? Or send to me by email? It sounds

> interesting.


I suspect that it probably is period, or derived from some earlier

version that is. An earlier version of the "Syrosye" recipe calls for

the inclusion of "vlehs gret", or great flesh, which is probably chunks

or slices of a large joint cooked (or partly cooked) whole and

separately, either by boiling or roasting. The thickening of bread

crumbs suggests it is quite early, too. Actually the Russian Cherry Soup

sounds like borscht made with cherries. (Doesn't borscht just mean soup

anyway? But you know what I mean.)

> I've only occasionaaly found fresh cherries in the grocery and they were

> probably the sweet kind. Anyone know how/where to get these sour cherries?


They can be bought at Middle Eastern, Eastern European (and Russian ;

) ) markets. Usually packed in jars of sour cherry juice. Sometimes

pitted, sometimes not.

> What kind(s) of cherries were known in medieval europe?


I believe Montmorenceys are period. They were brought to the New World

early on. Bing cherries, probably the most common American variety, are

quite late indeed (like late 19th, early 20th century). Other than that

I don't know.


Adamantius



Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:03:23 -0500 (CDT)

From: nweders at mail.utexas.edu (ND Wederstrandt)

Subject: Re: SC - cherries


It is unfortunate that down here in Ansteorra you can only get Bing

Cherries fresh for the most part and for a very limited time. The weather

doesn't like them down here. You can sometimes get Ranier which are a

yellow cherry with a red blush. They are sweet as well. Occaisionally you

can cans of sour cherries in larger grocery store (HEB and Central Market

(Austin) ). It pays to buy amounts of uncommon foods to encourage the

expansion of the gene pool and more variety.

Apples down here in Ansteorra are starting to get really diverse, as well

as oranges. We can get Seville oranges when they are in season now as well

as blood oranges.


Clare St. John



Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:50:29 -0400

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Dried Cherries


lwperkins wrote:

> Aislinn wrote regarding dried cherries....

> "I have been making them as

> > Pennsic snack food since cherries have been on sale frequently this

> year"...

> And I have to ask: how do you dry cherries so they don't mold first? Low

> oven?.....


A low oven will do it if it's low enough: ideally it needs to be set for

150-175 degrees F. Other options include a food dehydrator, and Mr.

Golden Sun, in appropriate weather/humidity. You can make a wooden frame

and stretch window screen stuff (the nylon stuff is good because it's

non-reactive) over it.


It's also a good idea to pit them, if you want to, AFTER drying. The

idea is that the juice remains in the cherry while drying, and the extra

sugar and flavor aren't lost.


Adamantius



Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:49:38 -0400 (EDT)

From: Mark Schuldenfrei <schuldy at abel.MATH.HARVARD.EDU>

Subject: Re: SC - Dried Cherries


A low oven will do it if it's low enough: ideally it needs to be set for

150-175 degrees F. Other options include a food dehydrator, and Mr.

Golden Sun, in appropriate weather/humidity. You can make a wooden frame

and stretch window screen stuff (the nylon stuff is good because it's

non-reactive) over it.


Home made food dehyrdators were all the rage around here a few years ago,

before the commercial ones became available. To handwave the design, make a

square or rectangular vertical plywood box, with a lid, but with gaps at

the top and bottom, and with a door in the front, and pull out grates or

screens. Underneath it all, add a drip tray, a 100 watt bulb, and place

some foil over the bulb to keep the food off it. Gaps at the top and bottom

allow warm air to rise, and drive the moisture off.


Tibor



Date: Mon, 14 Jul 97 11:16:00 -0500

From: "Suzanne Berry"<sberry at primavera.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Dried Cherries


>It's also a good idea to pit them, if you want to, AFTER drying. The

>idea is that the juice remains in the cherry while drying, and the extra

>sugar and flavor aren't lost.


>Adamantius


I don't mean to contradict an expert, but my directions call for (and

I've had good luck with) pitting them when they're half-dry. You

simply squeeze them a bit, and the pits pop right out.


- Aislinn



Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:47:38 -0400

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - dried sour cherries


Mark Harris wrote:


> I too, noticed these small bags of cherries in the grocery this last Sunday.

> They were in fact, labeled "tart" cherries. And yes, they were rather

> expensive although since they were dried they might go further once

> rehydrated.


It takes about 4 pounds of fresh cherries to make one pound of dried,

so, for each pound of dried cherries you buy, you are paying for 4

pounds (or so) of cherries, plus the cost of drying them. I believe I

get them for around $4 a pound, IIRC.

Adamantius



Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 08:04:45 -0400 (EDT)

From: Stephen Bloch <sbloch at adl15.adelphi.edu>

Subject: Re: SC - Re: A couple questions . . ..


> 3) What about subsitutions? I am in the midst of gathering recipes for a

> killer menu for Crown Tourney this next weekend, and I was thinking about

> the "Strawberye" but using cherries and Kirschwasser instead ('coz I have

> cherries)


I can't speak for the Kirschwasser, but there are surviving recipes for

cherries. In fact, the "Strawberye" recipe you're thinking of,

presumably the one from Harleian ms. 279, is followed IMMEDIATELY in the

manuscript by one for cherries. So rather than adapting "Strawberye" to

cherries myself, I would use the 15th-century recipe whose author thought

it was similar enough to put them on the same page.


Strawberye: Take Strawberys, & waysshe hem in tyme of 3ere in gode red

wyne; [th]an strayne [th]orwe a clo[th]e, & do hem in a potte with gode

Almaunde mylke, a-lay it with Amyndoun o[th]er with [th]e flowre of Rys,

& make it chargeaunt and lat it boyle, and do [th]er-in Roysonys of

coraunce, Safroun, Pepir, Sugre grete plente, pouder Gyngere, Canel,

Galyngale; poynte it with Vynegre, & a lytil whyte grece put [th]er-to;

coloure it with Alkenade, & droppe it a-bowte, plante it with [th]e

graynys of Pome-garnad, & [th]an serue it forth.


Chyryoun: Take Chyryis, & pike out [th]e stonys, waysshe hem clene in

wyne, [th]an wryng hem [th]orw a clo[th]e, & do it on a potte, & do

[th]er-to whyte grece a quantyte, & a partye of Floure of Rys, & make it

chargeaunt; do [th]er-to hwyte Hony or Sugre, poynte it with Venegre;

A-force it with stronge pouder of Canelle & of Galyngale, & a-lye it

with a grete porcyoun of 3olkys of Eyroun; coloure it with Safroun or

Saunderys; & whan [th]ou seruyste in, plante it with Chyrioun, & serue

f[orth].


Notice the following differences:

1) the cherry recipe doesn't call for almond milk, currants, pepper, or

ginger; maybe the author and/or his patron felt that these flavors went

well with strawberries but not with cherries.

2) the cherry recipe, after being thickened with rice flour, is further

thickened with "a grete porcyoun" of eggyolks. I don't know why the

author chose to do this with cherries and not with strawberries, but

lacking evidence to the contrary, I'd follow his lead.

3) the strawberry recipe is colored purple with alkenade, while the

cherry recipe is colored yellow with saffron or red with sandalwood.

4) the strawberry recipe is garnished with pomegranate seeds, the cherry

recipe with whole cherries.


I would start by following the cherry recipe as closely as possible,

using a known-tasty redaction of "Strawberye" to get a first

approximation of the quantities. If I had time (which you don't between

now and next weekend), I would experiment with each of the above

differences and try to figure out why they are there.


mar-Joshua ibn-Eleazar ha-Shalib

Stephen Bloch

sbloch at panther.adelphi.edu



Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:43:27 -0400

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - RE: Cherry soup? Or cherry pudding?


"Peters, Rise J." wrote:

> So... do you have a recipe you're willing to share? Since you say "always

> made" it, I'm assuming it turned out well enough that you were willing to

> eat it more than once.<g>


Courtesy of East Kingdom 12th Night, A.S. XXXI...


Syrosye


To make a syrosye. Tak cheryes & do out *e stones & grynde hem wel &

draw hem *orw a streynoure & do it in a pot. & do *erto whit gres or

swete botere & myed wastel bred, & cast *erto good wyn & sugre, & salte

it & stere it wel togedere, & dresse it in disches; & set *eryn clowe

gilofre, & strew sugre aboue.”

Curye On Inglysch, Book III, Utilis Coquinario, Ed. Constance B.

Hieatt & Sharon Butler, Oxford University Press, Oxford 1985


In other words... To make some cherries. Take cherries, pit them, pureé

them, and put them in a pot. Add lard or sweet butter and some white

bread crumbs, and add some good wine and sugar. Salt it and stir well,

serve it in dishes, and garnish with cloves and sugar.

I’m assuming some actual cooking takes place here, if only to melt the

lard or butter. Bread crumbs are a matter of taste. I opted for a

rather thin soup, but the actual dish was probably a bit thicker. Some

people use enormous quantities of bread crumbs to get a pudding-like

standing pottage”, but the recipe doesn’t call for that, and it’s

nasty, to boot. I suspect the cloves are intended to be left whole,

rather than ground, since powder of cloves is a known, standard, 14th

century ingredient which could have easily been specified if intended.

We used powdered cloves, to avoid expensive dental accidents in dim

feast halls. As for sugar, it was probably sprinkled lavishly on top

partly for the look, which probably means there was a bit less in total

than if it had been simply mixed in.


For eight servings:


2 quarts pitted morello cherries in juice (If jars are less than a

quart, add bottled or canned cherry juice to compensate)

1/2 - 3/4 cup unseasoned white bread crumbs, preferably fresh

1/4 - 1/2 cup sugar (granulated light brown is ideal, but white is O.K.)

1/2 cup red wine

3 Tbs butter

1/2 - 1 tsp powdered cloves

Salt


Puree the cherries in a food mill or processor. Put everything but the

butter, the cloves and the salt into a pot and bring to a boil, whipping

to break up any breadcrumb lumps. Add cloves to taste. Cut cold butter

into small pieces and drop them into the simmering liquid, one at a a

time, whipping constantly until each is melted and incorporated, before

adding the next (otherwise you’ll have a layer of grease floating on

top). Salt to taste and serve.


Adamantius



Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:46:14 -0400

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Syllabub - does anyone have a period recipe?


Glenda Robinson wrote:

> There's a lovely recipe in Pleyn Delit - Strawberry Pudding. This can use

> frozen strawberries.


That would be the fresee recipe I spoke of, which I believe PD has as a

variant on syrosye, which they refer to as a cherry pudding. I don't

entirely buy the idea that this is supposed to be a chargeaunt or

stondyng dish, so I use fewer breadcrumbs than Hieatt, Butler and Jones

recommend, and serve it warm as a medium-thick pottage.


Adamantius



Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:24:01 -0500

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - cherries


Pink Sunshine wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if cherries are period?


Yes, they are. Off the top of my head, and even before the morning

caffeine, I can think of recipes in medieval English, German, and

Italian sources, as well as references in the period Mediterranean

medical texts known collectively as Tacuina Sanitatis. The Romans ate

them too, if I remember correctly.


Adamantius



Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:34:01 -0500

From: Philip & Susan Troy <troy at asan.com>

Subject: Re: SC - cherries


Pink Sunshine wrote:

> I'd really like some meat and cherry recipes.


>From BL MS Add. 46919 (He), published in "Curye On Inglysch" as _Diuersa

Cibaria_ .


"14. Scirresez. Milke of alemauns i(th)ikked wy(th) amydoun, chiseberien

igrounden wi(th)outen (th)e stones, a pertie of sucre so (th)at hit beo

wel isauored of cheseberien, vlehs gret, & cheseberien istreed abouen;

(th)e colour is red."


OR


~ 14. Cherries. Milk of almonds thickened with wheat starch, ground

pitted cherries, some sugar to bring out the flavor of the cherries,

flesh great (i.e. slices or chunks in serving size of roast or boiled

meat: maybe lamb or mutton or boiled fresh ham), & garnished with

cherries on top. The color is red.


Very rough quantities might be (I'm guessing here):


1 1/2 - 2 cups almond milk made from a pint of boiling water and 1/2 cup

ground, blanched almonds whizzed up in the blender and strained

1 1/2 Tbs wheat starch, dissolved in a little water or cherry juice

1 to 1 1/2 pounds cherries, weighed after pitting

3-4 Tbs sugar or to taste (sparingly!)

2 lbs hunk-o-meat, roast or boiled, cut in small medallion-sized slices

or cubed

optional red coloring agent of your choice: maybe red sandalwood if necessary

salt to taste


Puree about 3/4 of your cherries using a mortar, food mill, food

processor or blender. Watch out for pits if using a power tool to avoid

getting cherries on the ceiling. (Yes, I speak from experience.) Reserve

the rest of the cherries as a garnish.


Combine the pureed cherries with the wheat starch slurry and most of the

almond milk in a saucepan and bring to a boil, stirring frequently.

Simmer briefly until thickened. Skim off any foam that may arise. Adjust

the thickness by cooking it down a bit if too thin, or by thinning with

the last of the almond milk if too thick. You want the sauce to coat the

meat but not stand up on its own. Add sugar and salt to taste (I believe

in adding salt to almost everything -- just don't overdo it.)


If your meat is hot, arrange in a deep serving dish and pour the sauce

over. If cold, you can reheat the meat (especially if cubed) in the

sauce and pour it all in the serving dish. Garnish with the remaining

pitted cherries.


Adamantius



Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:36:10 -0400

From: Elaine Koogler <ekoogler at chesapeake.net>

Subject: Re: SC - Mackerel


"Decker, Margaret" wrote:

>>I'm looking for period receipts using cherries, ...


I got a really wonderful chicken pie out of Platina that uses cherries...I've

had nothing but rave responses to it. The recipe? Here you go:


CRUSTA EX CICURIBUS


Another Crust with Tame Creatures


From De honesta voluptate, by Platina:


If you want to put pigeons and any other birds in a crust, first let them boil;

when they are almost cooked, take them out of the pot, then cut them into nice

pieces and fry them in a pan with a goodly amount of lard. Next put them in a

deep dish or an earthen pot that has been well greased, and where a crust has

been rolled out on the bottom. To this dish you may add plums and cherries or

sour fruit without going wrong. Then take verjuice and eight eggs, more or less

depending on the number of guests, if there are a few, with a little juice,

beaten with a spoon; to this add parsley, majoram and finely cut mint, which can

be blended after being cut up, and put this all near the fire, but far from the

flame. It must be a slow heat so that it does not boil over. All the while, it

should be stirred with a spoon until it sticks to the spoon because of its

thickness. Finally pour this sauce into the pastry crust and put it near the

fire and when it seems to have cooked enough, serve it to your guests. It is

very nourishing and slow to be digested. It has few harmful effects, checks the

bile and irritates the body.


Redaction by Minowara Kiritsubo


2 lb. Chicken

Pastry for a single crust

1 cup plums and/or cherries (if dried, soak in white wine until soft)

1/2 cup white wine

6 tsp. White wine vinegar

8 eggs

1 1/4 tsp. each of marjoram, mint and parsley

1/4 tsp. salt

1 pt. chicken stock

1/2 cup chicken stock


1. Boil chicken pieces in 1 pt. of stock until almost cooked. Bone the chicken

pieces and brown in a little olive oil.

2. Line a deep dish pie tin with pastry, then fill with chicken and fruit.

3. Pour the sauce over the pie. Bake at 350 degrees until browned on top.


Sauce:


1. Blend eggs, wine, vinegar and ? cup of the chicken broth together.

2. Add finely minced parsley, marjoram and mint.

3. Cook over a low heat, stirring constantly, until thickened so that it clings

to the spoon.


Notes:


1. I used a mixture of white wine vinegar cut with a little white wine to

approximate the verjuice that the original recipe calls for.

2. I used sour cherries for the fruit, which produced a good balance with the

flavor of the chicken.


Kiri



Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:02:50 -0400

From: Angie Malone <alm4 at cornell.edu>

Subject: SC - RE:cherries


There is a recipe in Pleyn Delit for cherry pudding it is wonderful. I

don't remember where the original recipe came from but I can check when I

get home where the book is and possibly include a redaction. Although I am

sure many people on this list have already redacted the recipe I am

thinking of, so if people wish please post your version.


Angeline



Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:49:40 -0700 (PDT)

From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: SC - Cherries


- --- LrdRas at aol.com wrote:

> margaret at Health.State.OK.US writes:

> << Would also like to know if there are

> any period varieties still being grown in large enough numbers to show up at

> markets. Ras you seem to be very knowledgeable. >>

>

> Alas my knowledge in the cherry area is somewhat limited. :-( I am not aware

> of any actual cherry varieties that are being marketed today that may have

> been available to those living in the Middle Ages.

>

> As for recipes, Cherioun comes to mind. I think it

> is in Two-Fifteenth Century Cookery Books, IIRC.


From what I have seen so far, the Morello or Black

Cherry is the only cherry that has continued from

period until now. It is and was very essential in

German and Dutch cooking.


Huette



Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:33:39 -0500

From: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>

Subject: RE: SC - Cherries and strawberries


> so what are those period ones like? Would they be more like

> the choke cherry? More sour?


There were many different type of cherries in period. At least three

different type are displayed in The Fruit Seller. The problem is the

cherries are often classified by the color of their juice and the tartness

or sweetness of their taste; two characteristics difficult to transmit

without direct experience. As an opinion, any modern cherry probably had a

counterpart in the Middle Ages and you should probably seek those types

which best fit the recipe.


> And what about strawberries. I haven't checked the

> florilegium yet and I absolutely must get to bed before 1 am

> today. The only food ref I have is Food in History and

> they're not mentioned. Not sure of the history. Thanks.

> Serian


Pardon any errors, but I'm working from memory. Strawberries were mostly

harvested from the wild prior to the 14th Century. They then were brought

from the wild and planted in manor gardens. The type commonly planted was

the "fraise du bois" or European woodland strawberry, whose scientific name

escapes me. Also available, but less common, was Fragaria moschata or the

musky strawberry.


In the New World, Fragaria virginiana and Fragaria chiloensis were found.

Because of chromosomal differences, cross-breeding with "fraise du bois" and

F. moschata is very unproductive. F. virginiana and F. chiloensis

cross-breed easily with each other and in the 18th Century they were

cross-bred to produce the modern commercial strawberries.


"Fraise du bois" are available, but you will probably need to grow your own

or purchase them through a specialty grocer. I know that the berries are

unavailable in any of my local markets.


Bear



Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:52:41 -0400

From: "Hupman, Laurie" <LHupman at kenyon.com>

Subject: RE: SC - Cherries


I only know of two varieties of cherry that are still available today:

morellos and montemorcy (sp?). Morellos, I believe, were more common then,

however they are terribly difficult to come by now. I can sometimes find

pint jars of them in the German deli, packed in water and spices.

Montemorcy cherries, according to my friendly neighborhood cooking laurel,

were _the_ pie cherry of the late Middle Ages. I don't know what his

reference is, but in desperation he bought a cherry tree and planted it in

his back yard. I think he should be getting his first fruit from it this

year. Whenever I've seen a cherry referred to by name in a recipe, however,

it's been a morello.


Rose :)



Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:45:24 -0400

From: Elaine Koogler <ekoogler at chesapeake.net>

Subject: Re: SC - Cherries


I was able to get the Montmorency's dried from Baker's Catalogue...King Arthur

Flour folks! Don't remember what they cost, but, soaked either in water or a

nice red wine, they plumped up very nicely and worked well with my recipe.


Kiri



Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:45:53 EDT

From: Mbatmantis at aol.com

Subject: Re: SC - Cherries


There are three types of cherries; Sweet, Sour (pie) and Duke.

There are two types of sour cherries: Amarelle (clear juice yellow flesh)

or Morello (red juice and flesh) . The Montmorency is the amarelle type. It

is the standard sour cherry. They are very easily found at any nursery that

deals in fruit trees or from any mail order source.

They are available through Stark Bro's for $20 for semi-dwarf trees. Dwarf

trees are a little more. The web site is MySeasons.com .

All cherries need a considerable winter chill and moist but well drained

soil.


R.



Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:43:12 +0200

From: Thomas Gloning <gloning at Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE>

Subject: SC - Some recipes with sour cherries in German cookbooks (was: need help)


<< I would like to use sour cherries as one of the sweets. Would it be

appropriate to make a compote? >>


As far as I can see, the use of sour cherries (germ. _weichsel_,

_wissel_, _weixl_, etc.) is documented in the German cookbooks from 1350

onwards in different preparations:


Buch von guoter Speise (around 1350):

- -- #82 Ein wissel mu:os

- -- #83 Ein gu:ot fu:elle

- -- #84 Ein cumpost von wisseln

- -- #85 Einen fladen von wisseln

online at: http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/bvgs.htm

(there are other versions and an English translation online, too)


The cookbook in the manuscript Basel D II 30 (around 1480) has a sauce

from sour cherries:

"WJltu machen ein gut salssen von weichselen so thu dy weichselen in

einen haffen vnd secz in auf ein glut vnd losz sie sieden vnd losz sie

kalt werden vnd streich sie durch ein tuch vnd thu sie [in den] in einen

haffen vnd secz sie aber auff ein glut vnd losz sie wol siedenn vnd r?r

sie pisz daz sie dick werden vnd thu dor ein honig vnd geribens prott

negelein vnd gut stup genuck vnd thu sie in ein veslein so pleibtt ez

ein Jar oder vir gut" (fol. 300ra).

(The same recipe in the cookbook and dietetic text of Meister Eberhard;

see the recipe #1 at:

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/feyl.htm)


Further, there are two recipes with sour cherries from the cookbook of

Balthasar Staindl 1569:


"Ein fast gu:ots mu:o?/ das schwartz ist.

xlix. Schneid gu:ot o:epffel in ein Hafen/ vnnd thu:o darzu ein

theil der roten Weichseln oder Zwe?gen/ auch ein gu:ot theil

die mollen von einer semel/ vnd ge¸? ein wein daran/ la? also

durch einander wol sieden/ bi? es fein weich wirt/ so streichs

durch ein siblin oder tu:och/ thu:o zucker darein/ vnd gu:ots linds

gw¸rtz/ la? absieden in einer pfannen/ gibs kalt oder warm."


"Torten von Weichseln vnd Amerellen.

xxxix. Die nimb/ thu:o den kern daruon/ vnd zuckers rein wol

ein/ vn{d} thu:os in die Torten vom teig gemacht/ ein deckel oben

dar¸ber/ gibs warm."


In the cookbook of Sabina Welser (1553), there are several recipes with

sour cherries, too:

- -- #46 (Weixelmus?)

- -- #72 (Ain torten von amelberen, kersen, ...)

- -- #165 (auffgelaffne weixlen)

- -- #130 (weixeltorte)

The original text is online at:

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/sawe.htm

Valoise Armstrong's English translation is webbed on David Friedman's

site


I am not sure whether or not the recipe #55 of Danner's Kochrezepte aus

dem bayerischen Inntal (around 1500) is about sour cherries, because one

of the older meanings of "weichsel" was to denote the Vogelkirsche, and

in #44 "pech" of "weichselp‰umen" is mentioned which is typical for the

Vogelkirsche. This text is online at:

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gloning/kb-dann.htm.


Of course, Rumpolt (1581) mentions or describes kinds of preparations

with sour cherries:


Nimb du:erre Weichsel/ sto? sie mit dem Kern/ treib sie mit Wein durch/

machs su:e? mit Zimmet vnd Zucker/ vnnd la? darmit auffsieden/ so ist es

ein gute Weichselsuppen.


Nimb frische Weichsel/ rei? die Stengel ab/ geu? Wein/ gestossenen

Zimmet vnd Zucker darein/ la? darmit auffsieden/ thu gero:e?t Brot von

einem Weck darvnter/ vnd gibs warm auff einen Tisch/ vnnd bestra:ew es

mit Zucker.


Nimb Amarellen/ vnd sto? sie mit den Kern/ sie seyn du:err oder gru:en/

streich sie mit Zimmet vnnd Wein durch/ vnnd mach sie wol su:e?/ la?

darmit auffsieden/ so ist es gut.


Mach ein Teig an von lauter Wein/ sto? Weichsel mit dem Stengel hinein/

la? den Teig herab rinnen/ vnd wirffs geschwindt in heisse Butter/ vnd

la? geschwindt backen/ da? der Safft nit herau? rinnet/ wenns gebacken

ist/ so bestra:ew es mit weissem Zucker/ vnd gibs warm auff ein Tisch.


Gebacken Amarellen in einem solchen Teig gebacken.


Weichsel Turten/ thu die Kern auch herau?.


Amarellen Turten mit Zimmet vnd Zucker angemacht. Oder nim{m} die

Amarellen/ vn{d} streich sie durch/ thu gerieben Brot von einem Weck

darvnter/ so wirt die Fu:ell desto steiffer.


In addition, Maister Hanns (1460) has a dish with seven colors, where

the red-brown color is due to the sour cherries ("Die rott prawn varb

geet von weichseln zue"; fol. 97r.5). On fol. 102v, there is a recipe

"Von einem gemu:ess von stain obs ze machen", where "weichseln" are

mentioned as one of the possible ingredients (Nr. 270 in the Ehlert

edition).


(...)


Best,

Thomas



Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:37:36 -0400

From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" <harper at idt.net>

Subject: SC - Cherry preserves


And it came to pass on 21 Sep 00,, that Vincent Cuenca wrote:

> The same one as you. 1929, Dionisio Perez, reprint of the 1529.

> An Electuary of Sour Cherries for Invalids who Have Lost the Desire to Eat

>

> Take as many sour cherries as you wish and put them in a pot on the fire

> and add just enough water, and let them cook in this water until they

> become very tender and appear to be white; and then throw out the water in

> which they have cooked; and then take a coarse sieve of bristles, which

> you can strain them with and rub them with your hands until they have all

> passed through. Then take for each pound of these sour cherries, prepared

> in this way, half a pound of sugar and mix it in its pot over a low fire;

> stirring constantly with a piece of cane until it is cooked; and then take

> it off and put this electuary in a glazed jar with a good cover; you can

> add some cloves and a little cinnamon to it.


And here is mine:


Take as many sour cherries as you wish and put them in a saucepan upon the

fire and cast them in water by themselves, and let them cook in that water until

they turn very tender and appear white; and then throw out that water of

yours in which they cooked; and then take a sieve of very thin horsehair, in

which you can strain them and rub them so much with your hands that

everything passes through. Then take for each pound of these cherries

thusly prepared, half a pound of sugar and mix it in your saucepan on a gentle

fire; constantly stirring with a cane until they are cooked; and then put it aside and put this electuary in a vessel of glazed earthenware, well stoppered; if you wish you can put some cloves and a little cinnamon in it.


Lady Brighid ni Chiarain

Settmour Swamp, East (NJ)



From: "Morgan Cain" <morgancain at earthlink.net>

To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:06:51 -0500

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Cherries


The current issues of COOK'S magazine (July-August 2001) has an article on

cherries, comparing frozen and tinned and jarred and fresh. Apparently it

is not just the method of keeping the cherries, but the kind of cherry that

makes a big difference.


---= Morgan



Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:10:50 -0700 (PDT)

From: Bethra Spicewell <christina_elisabeth at yahoo.com>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Online dried cherries


My favorite source for dried cherries is online, at the Northern

Delights company.

<http://www.driedcherries.com/chorder.htm>


They are based out of Florida, but the product is from Michigan, IIRC.

They also have dried cranberries, but I haven't tried those yet. They

do have some added sweetener, though. I think the corn syrup is partly

what keeps them soft. They're wonderful as a snack - which is why

they're in an unmarked opaque container in the fridge. ;-)


Bethra


* Christina Elisabeth de la Griffon Riant

Barony of Stonemarche EK *



Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 17:55:46 -0400

From: "Barbara Evans" <mathilde at borg.com>

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Cherries (Long)


Since we were discussing what sort of cherries worked best for Kiri's

Another Crust of Tame Creatures, I looked up some information on them. What

I concluded was that, although the sweet cherry varieties we use in the U.S.

today are not period, they may not be all that different from sweet cherries

used in period. The sour cherries we use may be period; I was unable to find

documentation for Montmorency cherries to our period, and would appreciate

hearing from anyone with more information.


Mathilde


From Alan Davidson's _The Oxford Companion to Food_, p. 163:


Groups of Cherry Varieties


Sweet cherries have often been classed into two main groups: bigarreau with

firm, dry flesh; and guigne (the French equivalent of 'gean') with soft,

juicy flesh. However, hybridization has blurred this old distinction. Sweet

cherries of the firmer (bigarreau) sort include the justly popular 'white'

(in reality light red and yellow) Napoleon, Bing (a fine red cherry, named

after his Chinese workman by an American grower, now dominating US fresh

sweet cherry production), and Rainier (a cross of Bing and Van, delicate and

exquisitely sweet)> Softer (guigne) varieties include Black Tartarian and

Coe's Transparent (with a clear skin, but too delicate to be shipped.)


Sour cherries are classified into two groups: amarelle or relatively light

colored, with clear juice; and griotte, dark or black, with coloured juice.

Montmorency (which originated in the valley of that name in the

Ile-de-France, where a Fete de la Cerise is still held annually) is a famous

variety of amarelle; and Morello the best-known griotte.


Sweet-and-sour cherries are intermediate between the above categories. They

often go under the name Duke (Royale in France). This kind of cherry came to

England from Medoc, which name was adapted to May Duke, later abbreviated to

Duke.


From the Salem History Project, developed by the Salem Public Library,

Salem, Oregon (http://salemhistory.org/agriculture/ac01.htm):


The Cherry City


The story of Salem's cherry industry begins in 1847 when pioneer nurseryman

Henderson Lewelling...arrived from Iowa. Lewelling brought with him 700 tiny

fruit trees in earth-filled boxes. Shortly after arriving in the Willamette

Valley, Lewelling took up a land claim near Milwaukee where he established

an orchard....Among the cherry trees brought from Iowa was one Napoleon

Bigarreau which, for reasons now long forgotten, Mr. Lewelling called "Royal

Anne."....Seth Lewelling [Henderson's brother] is best remembered for his

work in developing new fruit varieties. Among these, two black cherries

stand out...the original Black Republican tree [which was] grown from a seed

of a Black Eagle cherry, and, in 1875, a Black Republican planting [which]

produced a promising seedling that [Seth] Lewelling named "Bing" after his

faithful Chinese helper.


From the National Cherry Festival web page

(http://www.cherryfestival.org/cherries/history.php):

"Another sweet cherry variety is the Lambert, which also got its start on

Lewelling Farms."

"The Rainier cherry, a light sweet variety, originated from the cross

breeding of the Bing and Van varieties....The Bing, Lambert, and Rainier

varieties together account for more than 95 percent of the Northwest sweet

cherry production."


From _Domestication of Plants in the Old World_, 2nd. edition, Daniel Zohary

and Maria Hopf, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1994:


Chapter 5: Fruit trees and nuts


Definite evidence for their cultivation [the apple, pear, plum, and cherry]

only appears in the 1st millennium bc and their extensive incorporation into

horticulture seems to have taken place only in Greek and Roman times....A

plausible explanation for the late appearance of these 'second wave' fruit

domesticates is that they do not lend themselves to simple vegetative

propagation [unlike the olive, grape vine, fig, date palm, and pomegranate,

which can be propagated through cuttings]. Their culture is based almost

entirely on grafting....The adoption of clonal cultivation means that most

fruit trees, in the 5 or 6 millennia since their introduction into

cultivation, have undergone very few sexual cycles. In other words,

selection could only have operated during a limited number of generations,

and we have to expect that the cultivars have not diverged considerably from

their progenitors' gene-pools.


Cherries: Prunus avium and P. cerasus


The sweet cherry, P. avium [cherries liked by birds!] is a rather tall

tree...with sweet, round, red-black berries....The cultivated clones of the

sweet cherry [P. avium] are closely related to a group of wild and feral

forms which are widely distributed over temperate Europe....The sour cherry,

P. cerasus, is a smaller tree...with bright red berries and a characteristic

acid taste....The earliest report of cherry cultivation appears in classical

times. Pliny tells that Lucullus, in the first century BC, introduced to

Rome a superior cherry variety which he obtained in the Pontus

region...Large quantities of cherry stones were found in both Roman and

Medieval contexts in Germany as well as other central European countries.



From: lilinah at earthlink.net

Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:50:21 -0800

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Morella cherries


From: "Debra Hense" <DHense at ifmc.org>

>Does anyone know when they come into season? Can they be obtained in the US?

>I have a produce manager lined up who may be willing to order them.

>

>I'm looking at a late April/Early May timeframe for the german feast

>I am planning.


I've never seen them fresh, or if i did, i didn't know they were

Morellos. I usually buy them bottled in light syrup.


When the store where i usually buy them ran out, i bought Morello

cherry jam that had huge whole cherries in it (it was imported) for

the mostly German Boar Hunt i did in December. I mixed the cherries

and the jam together. All the recipes that used them involved cooking

them with sugar anyway - not quite the same i realize, but better

than other canned cherries.


I recently found real Morello cherry syrup at the Persian market.

Beats the heck out of the Italian Torani cherry syrup on wonderful

flavor, and it isn't that icky artificial bright red either, another

plus.


Anahita



From: "Randy Goldberg MD" <goldberg at bestweb.net>

To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] maraschino cherries, was I quit- and froup!

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:07:32 -0500


> What's the difference between Maraschino and morello? How does the

flavor's

> differ? Never heard of morello but i'm a fan of maraschino


According to Epicurious (www.epicurious.com), Maraschino cherries are a

specially treated fruit that can be made from any variety of cherry,

though the Royal Ann is most often used. The cherries are pitted and

then macerated in a flavored sugar syrup (usually almond flavor for red

cherries, mint for green). At one time they were traditionally flavored

with Maraschino liqueur, though such an extravagance is now rare. The

cherries are then dyed red or green. The federal government has now

banned the use of the harmful dyes that were used until recently.

Maraschino cherries can be purchased with or without stems. They're used

as a garnish for desserts and cocktails, as well as in baked goods and

fruit salads. Because of the processing, they really don't taste much

like cherries at all.


Morello cherries, on the other hand, according to TV Food Network

(www.foodtv.com), are sour cherries with dark red skin and flesh, seldom

found fresh and used in a variety of processed products. The blood-red

juice is used in making liqueurs and brandies, and the cherries can be

found canned, packed in syrup, dried and in preserves. The sharp, sour

taste makes the Morello unsuitable for eating raw but perfect for

cooking.


Avraham

****************************************

Avraham haRofeh

(mka Randy Goldberg MD)



Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:14:13 -0800

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

From: lilinah at earthlink.net

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] maraschino cherries, was I quit- and froup!


Maire wrote:

>Hey, Anahita, do you have an online source for morellos? I'd love to try

>them....with or without chocolate liqueur <g>


Even my local source ran dry. I was cooking a German rice and cherry

dish for the Boar Hunt in December and i needed 2 or 3 bottles. There

were only one or two on the shelf and the store never got more in.

Last time i was in there they *still* didn't have any. I think the

source was somewhere in Europe. I've seen Hungarian bottled morellos

in Mittle European delis...


For the feast i ended up purchasing some European morello cherry

preserves with big whole fruits in it and mixing that with the

bottled cherries. Since the dish called for sugar, i just didn't need

to add any, since it was in the jam. I know the dish wasn't the same,

but, well, you do what you can with what you can find.


If you do a search on

http://www.google.com

for all the words

morello cherries light syrup

you'll find a selection of American on-line vendors.

I know, i just looked :-) I haven't shopped from any of them, though.

Maybe i should buy a case.


When my daughter is home, she and i will sit watching a video and eat

a whole jar, then drink the juice/syrup (it's light enough to seem

like juice). Heck, we *fight over* the juice. That's why finding the

beverage syrup was such as good thing :-)


Anahita



Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:43:09 -0700

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

From: lilinah at mail.earthlink.net

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] period fruit trees


Vincent Cuenca" <bootkiller at hotmail.com> wrote:

>Actually, what I'm doing is tracking down things for this bedratted

>confectioner's manual. The work mentions small oranges, quinces, lemons,

>peaches, apples and Genovese cherries, among other things. I'd like to be

>able to narrow down the varieties a bit. I'm guessing they weren't growing

>Bing cherries in Genoa in 1450, so what kind were they? That's what I gotta

>figure out.


I don't know about Genoa, but the German cookbooks from around this

time appear to specify Morello cherries.


Anahita



Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:22:27 -0400

From: "Christine Seelye-King" <kingstaste at mindspring.com>

Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] more on preserved sour cherries

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


Sour cherry juice should be available at your local health food store.

Christianna


>so I get out the Elixirs of Nostradamus and discover that you have to

>have sour cherry juice to preserve them in-- so I don't have enough sour

>cherries. If they are not perfect, though, he says to boil them down [and

>strain?] until

>only the skins and seeds remain... presumably that is how you get the sour

>cherry juice? So if I can get more sour cherries on Friday, and if I make

>the juice with the sugar from the ones I have now, will that work, do you

>think?

?-- Pani Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne at fiedlerfamily.net



Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:48:12 -0400 (EDT)

From: <jenne at fiedlerfamily.net>

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Preserving Bitter Cherries recipe

To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


From _The Elixirs of Nostradamus_:


How to Preserve Bitter Cherries in the most delectable and exquisite

manner so that, although the process may have been undertaken the previous

year, they yet have the appearance of being prepared the very same day.


Take about three pounds of the most beautiful and ripest bitter cherries

you can obtain (but if they are not fresh, boil them until nothing remains

after straining except the stones and skins). If you think that the stalks

are too long, shorten them.


Then take a pound and a half of sugar and disssolved it in three or four

pounds of another bitter cherry brew or juice, making sure that you add

the sugar immediately the juice has been extracted. Then put it over the

fires and dissolve it only with the said juice. Let it boil as quickly as

possible and remove any scum during the boiling. When you have done this

to the best of your ability and see that the sugar has turned red and is

thoroughly refined and purified, do not remove it from the fire but let it

go on boiling and drop the bitter cherries into it.


Stir them gently but continuously with a spatula until they are thoroughly

cooked and foaming. Still do not take them off the fire until they are

cooked right through, so that you do not have to put them on the fire

again.


When you put a drop on a pewter plate and see that it does not run, then

it is properly boiled, so pour it while still warm into small containers

holding three or four ounces. You wil then have beautiful red, whole

bitter cherries with a most delectable taste with will keep for a long

while.


I, however, have been to many and varied places in the world and have

learned and experienced that and how this one does a thing one way and

another a different way, so that I should run out of paper were I to

attempt to write everythign down. I believe, however, that France and

Italy excel in this matter, though from what I have seen they go about it

in an odd way. So I have seen it made in Toulouse, Bordeaux and Rochelle

and recently, while we are on the subject also in Genoa, Languedoc, the

whole of the Dauphine' and in the area round about Lyons.


But I have never come across more beautiful and and better ones than

theses. In Toulouse tehy boil them five or six times and several times in

Bordeaux. Eventually, though, when they are five or six months old, some

go rotten and bad and useless and others shrivel. If you want to preserve

them properly, you must use nothing except the juice of bitter cherries,

as it increases their goodenss, size, and taste.


For if a sick person takes just a single one, he will consider it as a

balsam or other strengthening substance. After a lapse of a year they are

as good as they were on the first day.


-- Pani Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne at fiedlerfamily.net



Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:07:40 EST

From: KristiWhyKelly at aol.com

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Cherry question

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org


I got this recipe from the New book of Cookery 1591. Does anyone have ideas

on which type I should be using, sour or sweet cherries? I'm leaning toward

sour just because they have a more robust flavor and texture that would hold up

to frying and then boiling.


Thanks,

Grace


To make pottage of Cherries.

Fry white bread in butter til it be brown and so put it into a dish, then

take Cherries and take out the stones and frye them where you fried the bread

then put thereto Sugar, Ginger, and Sinamon, for lacke of broth, take White or

Claret Wine, boyle these togither, and that doon, serve them upon your

Tostes.



Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:21:07 -0500

From: "Tom Bilodeau" <tirloch at ravenstreet.org>

Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Cherry question

To: "'Cooks within the SCA'" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


Grace,


I would use sour cherries. Since you are already adding sugar to the

pottage, the sugar will mellow the tartness. Otherwise, it will be too

sweet and not too tasty.


Tirloch



Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:22:58 -0700

From: James Prescott <prescotj at telusplanet.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cherry question

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


> To make pottage of Cherries.

> Fry white bread in butter til it be brown and so put it into a dish, then

> take Cherries and take out the stones and frye them where you fried the bread

> then put thereto Sugar, Ginger, and Sinamon, for lacke of broth, take White or

> Claret Wine, boyle these togither, and that doon, serve them upon your

> Tostes.


There's a 1593 Dutch recipe somewhat similar from Cocboeck that calls

for the use of sour cherries.


The following is a rough translation:


"71 How to make sour-cherry-sauce.


Take sour-cherries and remove the stones and put therewith some thick

red wine or some other wine or nothing [more than] its own broth and

put therewith some butter, sugar and some ginger and cinnamon -- as it

pleases you -- and four or five egg yolks until you have it good and

leave well to boil and then put through a sieve. Then you might boil it

again a bit and then add first-times the sugar and the herbs."


Thorvald



Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 03:43:29 +0000

From: ekoogler1 at comcast.net

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cherry question

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


I did a similar dish, but from a different source, called Syrose of

Cherries, some time back...in fact the ingredients were almost

identical. I did use sour cherries and the result was wonderful. I

served it with a pork roast...


Kiri



Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:01:14 -0500

From: "Kirsten Houseknecht" <kirsten at fabricdragon.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] fruit varieties for cooking

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


From: "Stefan li Rous":

> Do you mean that the added sugar actually helps turn these cherries to

> mush? Or do you mean that since you are going to mush these anyway, you

> end up with a sweet mush vs. a sour one?


as to Bing Cherries

in my humble opinion........

1. Bing Cherries tend to turn to mush under heat, even WORSE than any other

sweet cherry

2. sweet cherries tend to turn to mush when cooked, while sour cherries

hold their shape much better.

3. this can be used to advantage by chopping a few sweet cherries in with

the whole sour cherries you are cooking, to provide a sweet cherry sauce

with no artificial or added sugars.


4. sugar seems to make the "mush" issue worse..... i think, but am not sure,

that it has to do with drawing the juice out of the cherry. it does

something of the same thing with apples, but they stay a bit firmer.


Kirsten Houseknecht

Fabric Dragon

kirsten at fabricdragon.com

Philadelphia, PA USA



Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:10:07 -0400

From: Patrick Levesque <pleves1 at po-box.mcgill.ca>

Subject: [Sca-cooks] Sour Cherry Pie

To: "Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>"

<sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>, "EKCooksGuild at yahoogroups.com"

<EKCooksGuild at yahoogroups.com>


I had too much time on my hands yesterday evening so I tried out

Platina's sour cherry pie (book VIII, #40).


The recipe calls for well ground, pitted sour cherries, well cut-up red

roses, fresh cheese, aged cheese, ginger, pepper, sugar, and 4 eggs.

(and sugar and rosewater to sprinkle on top afterwards).


So I used:


1 can well washed Bing cherries (I hate the corn syrup taste but 'tis

not the season for fresh cherries, unfortunately) (about 1 1/2 cup)

1 large red rose, wased (watch out for pesticides if you do this)

1 pound cottage cheese

1 tablespoon parmesan

1/2 cup sugar

About 1 teaspoon dry ginger

About 1/2 teaspoon pepper

4 eggs


Used a mixer to turn the cottage cheese into a smooth paste. Added the

cherries and mixed everything more or less evenly. Finely hashed the rose

petals and threw that in as well. Mixed in the sugar, pepper, ginger.

Beat the four eggs together (not too fluffy) and added that.


This was enough to fill to 9" pastry shells. Baked in oven at 350 for about

one hour. By then it was 10h30 so I let it cool overnight.


----


Next time: more cherries, (fresh cherries!!) and maybe a tad more parmesan

(that's all I had left) and pepper. It makes for a nice looking pie, though,

and yummy enough. But it definitely needs more cherries (hmmmm....

Cherries...)


Petru



Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:22:14 -0400

From: Elaine Koogler <ekoogler1 at comcast.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Sour Cherry Pie

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


Patrick Levesque wrote:

> I had too much time on my hands yesterday evening so I tried out

> Platina's sour cherry pie (book VIII, #40).

>

> The recipe calls for well ground, pitted sour cherries, well cut-up red

> roses, fresh cheese, aged cheese, ginger, pepper, sugar, and 4 eggs. (and

> sugar and rosewater to sprinkle on top afterwards).


I'm delighted to see your redaction of this recipe. A friend of mine has

agreed to make these for my feast on May 8. She's going to experiment

with using ricotta cheese and fresh farmers' cheese...she's very

well-versed with making cheesecake, and this sounded to me like that's

what it is. As we cannot hope to get the roses that are needed (florists

only have roses treated with pesticides), we are going to use rosewater

instead. We are also thinking about scattering caster sugar on the top,

then carmelizing it with a mini-flame-thrower...you know, the kind they

sell for doing creme brulee.


Kiri



Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:48:07 -0400

From: "Sharon Gordon" <gordonse at one.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Sour Cherry Pie

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


Some places have whole, pitted frozen cherries (both sour and sweet kinds)

in something like 3 to 5 pound bags. The ones I have had tasted very

fresh rather than having some of the can taste.


Sharon

gordonse at one.net



Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:41:28 -0400

From: "Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius"

<adamantius.magister at verizon.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Sour Cherry Pie

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


Also sprach Elaine Koogler:

> Petru,

> I just had another thought on the cherries. We are planning to use

> dried cherries (same problem as you with the fresh ones), and plan

> to reconstitute them with some sweet white wine. This might be a

> little better than the canned ones...I used canned ones when I made

> the "Crust with Tame Creatures" from Platina some years back, then

> tried it again with the dried, then reconstituted ones...it was much

> better.


Another option would be the sour cherries available in juice or light

syrup in jars, available in various ethnic markets. I often see them

in places where Eastern European, Russian, or Balkan groceries are

sold.


Adamantius



Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 0:34:18 -0700

From: "Wanda Pease" <wandap at hevanet.com>

Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Sour Cherry Pie

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


I haven't seen the answer to this yet, so I'm going to ask: Why are you

using Bing cherries in Sour Cherry Pie? Unless your Bing cherries are very

different than the ones I grew up with, they are a sweet cherry. I wouldn't

even consider them for somthing like this. I'd get, well... Pie Cherries.


I have also found that canned Bing cherries taste fairly nasty compared to

when they are fresh. Pie cherries don't seem to have this sliminess/blah

taste. If I had a choice I'd get frozen pie cherries as the best

tasting.


Of course, there is always the fact that Bing cherries were apparently

developed here in Oregon only about a century ago.


Regina



Date:Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:06:00 -0700 (PDT)

From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>

Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Sour Cherry Pie

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


When I was a child here in California, my folks

took the family cherry picking every summer at

the local u-pick orchards. I know that we mostly

picked pie cherries for the very reason you

mention. Pie cherries hold up whn home canned

but sweet cherries don't as well.


I haven't seen a fresh pie cherry in a

supermarket in years. All that I have seen

lately are Bings, Reiners, and Dark cherries.

I really have to get myself to one of those

farmers markets to see what they ring in.


As for using already commercially canned cherries

in jars for a pie that is being baked isn't a

good idea, IMHO. You will end up with a cherry

mush pie. I think that the better way would be

either using the reconstituted dry cherries that

Kiri talked about or the frozen cherries that

someone else talked about.


Huette



Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:33:16 -0400

From: "Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius"

<adamantius.magister at verizon.net>

Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Sour Cherry Pie

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>


Also sprach Huette von Ahrens:

> As for using already commercially canned cherries

> in jars for a pie that is being baked isn't a

> good idea, IMHO. You will end up with a cherry

> mush pie. I think tat the better way would be

> either using the reconstituted dry cherries that

> Kiri talked about or the frozen cherries that

> someone else talked about.


But it _is_ a cherry mush pie, when properly made. The recipe does

call for the cherries to be ground up, and then cooked with other

ingredients, somewhat akin to the process for making pumpkin pie.

Using cherries in a jar (which I specify because I've used them

before, they're readily available, and they work well in this recipe)

would involve cooking them and then grinding them, and then cooking

them again. All the humanity...


I suspect the biggest consideration may be what's available to Petru

in Canada. Clearly he needs almost anything else but sweet cherries

canned in corn syrup, but then I feel corn syrup should be banned by

the Geneva Convention in most cases.


Adamantius



Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:20:02 -0700 (PDT)

From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cherries cherries and more cherries

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


--- Karin Burgess <avrealtor at prodigy.net> wrote:

> After an outing with my daughter to the local cherry orchard, we

> have pounds of them. Mostly

> bing and Rainier. They also had sour cherries but i didn't get

> any. I can always go back though.

>

> Anyone care to share their favorite cherry recipes? I will have quite

> a bit left over after we eat some and give some away as presentation gifts

> tomorrow.

>

> -Muiriath


> From Sabina Welserin:


123 To make a very good sour cherry tart


Take a pound of sour cherries and remove all of the pits. Afterwards take a half pound of sugar and a half ounce of finely ground cinnamon sticks and mix the sugar with it. Next mix the cherries with it and put it after that in the pie shell made of good flour and let it bake in the tart pan.


130 To make a sour cherry tart


Take the sour cherries, take out the stones and make a pastry crust as for the other tarts. Take bread crumbs from grated white bread and fry them in fat. Pour them on the crust, sprinkle sugar and cinnamon on top, Put the sour cherries in it, leaving their juice in the bowl, sprinkle it well with sugar and with cinnamon, make a crust on top of it, let it bake, as it is customary.


165 To bake sour cherry puffs


Take hot water, lay fat the size of a walnut into it, and when the fat is melted, then make a batter with flour, it should be thick. Beat it until it bubbles, after that thin it with egg whites. If you like, you can also put a few egg yolks into it. Tie four sour cherries together, dip them in the batter and fry them. Shake the pan, then they will rise. The fat must be very hot.


Huette



Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:07:49 -0400

From: "grizly" <grizly at mindspring.com>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cherries cherries and more cherries

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


-----Original Message-----


After an outing with my daughter to the local cherry orchard, we have pounds

of them. Mostly bing and Rainier. They also had sour cherries but i didn't

get any. I can always go back though.


Anyone care to share their favorite cherry recipes? I will have quite a

bit left over after we eat some and give some away as presentation gifts

tomorrow.


-Muiriath >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Scully's Neapolitan Cuisine offers basically a cherry cheesecake/torta for

cherries. I did it woth sour cherries, but bing or ranier would be just

fine. It is webbed at

http://franiccolo.home.mindspring.com/torta_de_cerase.html


#137 Tolle cesrase rosse ho piu negre che si possa trovare, he poi cavarai

for a quello suo osso he pista e cerase in uno mortaro; poi piglia rose

rrosse he batile - dico, solo le foglie - cum uno cultello molto bene tute;

poi habi uno poco de caso fresco he veghio cum specie a discretione, he

canella he bono zenzaro cum poco pipero he zucaro, he miscolari tute queste

cose insieme, agiongendoli .vi. ova; et farai una crosta de pasta sopre la

padella he cum meza libre de butiro, he ponella ha a cocere, dandoli el foco

temperato; he quando he cotta, pone del zucaro he aqua rosata.


Cherry Torte (#137)

Get red cherries or the darkest available, remove the pit and grind in a

mortar; then get red roses and crush them well -- I mean the petals alone -

with a knifel get a little new and old cheese with a reasonable amount of

spices, cinnamon and good ginger with a liitle pepper and sugar, and mix

everything together, adding in six eggs; make a pastry crust for the pan

with half a pound of butter and set it to cook giving it moderate fire; when

it is cooked, put on sugar and rosewater.



NICCOLO'S RECIPE

Serves 8-12 prebake pastry crust preheat oven to 350F


1 lb. Sour cherries

6 eggs

Pastry crust (made with 1/2 # butter)

8 ounces fresh/soft cheese

dash of rose water (to taste)

2 Tbl sugar

1/4 c. grated semi soft cheese

1/4 tsp cinnamon

1/4 tsp. Powdered ginger

pinch black pepper


Coarsely grind cherries in mortar or food processor, or chop coarsely with

knife. Mix together cheeses, sugar, spices and eggs. Add cherries and

rosewater. Pour into prepared, pre-baked pastry shell as one pie or as

several tarts. Bake at 350F until just set and it moves as one mass when

jiggled, about 40 minutes; do not overcook! Remove from over and sprinkle

immediately with sugar and a dash of rosewater.


ORIGINAL TEXT & TRANSLATION

Scully, T. (2000). Cuoco Napoletano - The Neapolitan Recipe

Collection: a critical edition and English translation.

Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press.)



Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:04:08 -0400

From: "Stephanie Ross" <hlaislinn at earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cherries, cherries and more cherries

To: "SCA-Cooks" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


Here are a couple of recipes for cherries from The Lucayos Cookbook, an

Elizabethan cookbook published in 1660 and discovered in the 1950's

in the Bahamas.


Preserve cherries single in jelly


Take faire Flemish cherries when they are full ripe, pull out the stones

and stalkes, then weigh them and to a pound of cherries, take a pound of

sugar beaten small. Put in ye bottom of the pan 6 or 7 spoonefulls of faire

water, then lay in the cherries and sugar. Keep some sugar to strew on them

in the boiling. Let them boile very fast still takeing up the sirrup in the

porringers to scum it, and put it in againe when they begin to looke

cleare. Have ready of the juice of red currance, a pinte to 2 pound of

cherries and to it a pound of fine sugar. Mix well together, then poure it

into ye cherries on the fire and let them boile a little. Take them up in

to glasses and place the cherries to your likeing and stand them a weeke to

settle the jelly.


Make marmalade of cherries


Take 10 or 12 pound of very good cherries; stone them into a preserveing

pan, keepe all the juice to them, then boile them on a good charcoale fire

as fast as you can - often shakeing and scumming them. When it growes

thick, stir it continually that it doe not burne. When all the juice is

dried it comes cleane from the bottom of the pan; then take it up and

weighe it in a glasse and to every pound of cherries take halfe a pound of

loafe sugar beaten and put as much water to it as will just wett it. Boile

it to sirrup and scum it, put yor cherries to it and mix well together and

set them on a gentle fire at first. Then let boile very fast keepeing

stirring, till it comes from ye bottome of the pan. Then take them off the

fire and let it coole a little. Put it in glasses and let stand in a warme

place two dayes.


Preserve coronation cherries


Take the cheeries and stone them they are fresh gathered. Then take as much

sugar finely beaten as the weight of the cherries bee; put in the bottome

of the skellet 5 spoonefulls of the sirrup of cherries or else red currants

to every pound; then put halfe your sugar and lay in your cherries and

throw a little of the other sugar up on them and set over the fire. You

must not make ye fire too hot at first, but when ye sugar is melted boile

them as fast as you can and still as your sirrup rises take it off into

silver porringers and scum it and put it in againe. With it throw in your

other sugar at several times too keep boiling till they looke cleare and in

ye boiling shake them often. When ye sirrup is enough it will hang on a

spoone like jelly. Then take them off the fire and let stand till they are

cold before you put them up. You may save a little of the sirrup to

add ye next day.


Aislinn



Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:43:01 -0400

From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Lucayos Cook Book was Cherries, cherries and

more cherries

To: hlaislinn at earthlink.net, Cooks within the SCA

<sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


Stephanie Ross wrote:

> Here are a couple of recipes for cherries from The Lucayos Cookbook, an

> Elizabethan cookbook published in 1660 and discovered in the 1950's

> in the Bahamas.


Sorry but I have step in and play stuffy librarian here.

The Lucayos Cook Book was never published in the 1660's.

It was a "family" manuscript.

The manuscript is described on the cover of the 1959 soft cover

pamphlet as


"Being an Original Manuscript, 300 years old, never published.

Found in the Bahamas. Kept for 30 years to Test-Refine from AD

1660 to 1690 by a Noble Family of Elizabethan England. Long lost

to Epicureans and the World."


The first edition was published in 1959. That's the only edition that I know of. I am lucky enough to have one that includes all the assorted descriptive materials from the original printing which indicate that it sold for three dollars along with an appendix.


Johnnae llyn Lewis



Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:25:17 -0400

From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Lucayos Cook Book was Cherries, cherries and

more cherries

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


Huette von Ahrens wrote:

> I don't wish to be a stuffy librarian here either, but since I don't yet have

> this book, is there anyway to know if this book is a true manuscript and not

> some forgery meant to deceive? The phrase "Kept for 30 year to Test-Refine

> from AD 1660 to 1690" bothers me a lot. Is there a provenance for

> this book?

>

> Huette


There's really no provenance to speak of and the information

given by the text is quite limited. Without seeing the original,

I have no trouble believing that it is a family manuscript.

It may have been begun in the 17th century. (Is the late 17th century

1660-1690 really Elizabethan?) Certain recipes read like late 17th century recipes.

It may actually have been continued past 1700. What makes it famous or infamous is that it contains a tomato recipe for "Ye Ketchup." This is the last recipe

so it could well have been added much later. No details are given as to the handwriting or if it changed during the course of the text.

It's just this very small pamphlet of recipes reputed to be from an early culinary mss.

It would be nice if someone else had the chance to examine and evaluate

the original manuscript, but I don't know that such an examination ever has

or will take place. What makes the Fettiplace manuscript so valuable is that

we have a transcript of all the recipes now to go along with Spurling's versions.

We don't have that for this work.

Karen Hess noted that the "documentation is scanty, but the text rings true."

She mentions it in connection with a pepper cakes or gingerbread recipe.

See Martha Washington's Booke of Cookery.


Johnnae



Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:42:27 -0400

From: "Stephanie Ross" <hlaislinn at earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Lucayos cookbook

To: "SCA-Cooks" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


Oh no, not THE LIBRARIAN! ;P You are right about it not being published in

the 1600's and I apoligize for the confusion. Wrong choice of words,

"compiled" would have been better. I have a copy of the 1959 pamphlet also.

I hope to go to the Bahamas in the next couple of years (I live in Florida)

and I intend to seek out the original manuscript. I wish the family would

print it in facsimile so that we can look at the original and not have to

rely solely upon the pamphlet for information. I think the publishers were

more interested in the witchy herbal stuff in the back of the manuscript

than the cookbook itself. We also have no way of knowing which recipes were

added by succesive generations. It would also be nice to be able to verify

the manuscript's authenticity by a means other than the little tourist-trap

pamphlet.


Aislinn


Sorry but I have step in and play stuffy librarian here.

The Lucayos Cook Book was never published in the 1660's.

It was a "family" manuscript.

The manuscript is described on the cover of the 1959 soft cover

pamphlet as

(snip)


Johnnae llyn Lewis



Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:20:33 EDT

From: SilverR0se at aol.com

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cherries cherries and more cherries

To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org


avrealtor at prodigy.net writes:

> Anyone care to share their favorite cherry recipes?


Eleanor Fettiplace's book has a number of nummy cherry recipes.


Renata



Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:05:18 -0700

From: "Laura C. Minnick" <lcm at jeffnet.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OOP -- Cherry Liqueur

To: euriol at ptd.net, Cooks within the SCA

<sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


[Arwen was asking for suggestions of what to do with a bumper crop of cherries]


euriol wrote:

<<< How about making a cherry pottage? >>>


Cyrosye (from Curye on Inglisch IIRC) is pretty good- too good, in

fact! Last time I made some I was intending to take it to an event.

Daughter #1 was visiting, and while I was out doing something, she

decided to 'taste test' it. By the time I got home, it was ALL GONE and

she had a look on her face very like her kitty after getting into

something she shouldn't have...


'Lainie

(said daughter just turned 24. How could this happen? =:-o)



Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:51:35 -0700

From: "Laura C. Minnick" <lcm at jeffnet.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Paging Lainie!

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


Bronwynmgn at aol.com wrote:

<<< Hey, Laine, it seems I'm going to have access to some heirloom (the person

growing them says a medieval type) sour cherries to cook with at Pennsic. I

seem to remember you having a chicken recipe that uses them that you have done

in camp. Would you be willing to share it with me?


Brangwayna Morgan >>>


That's easy it's the Crust of Tame Creatures from Platina. Cariadoc has

his redaction webbed at

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/tarts.html#7

<http://www.pbm.com/%7Elindahl/cariadoc/tarts.html#7> . I usually just

fly from the seat of the pants, depending on what I have on hand. It's

tasty though!


You could also make that cherry pudding stuff (called Cyrosye? Something

like that) from _Curye on Inglisch_, which is incredibly yummy. My

daughter won't be there to eat it behind your back, so you might

actually get some!


'Lainie



Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:27:30 -0500

From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at att.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] 14th century English banana recipe

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


<<< But where is the documentation on the "maraschino cherry"?

Stefan >>>


Maraschino is a cordial made from the pits of marasca cherries. Maraschino

cherries are cherries that have been preserved in the cordial. The presence

of the cordial was presumably first noted at the Zadar Dominican monastery

early in the 16th Century. One of the uses for the cordial was preserving

marasca cherries. Large scale commercial production of maraschino is an

artifact of the 18th Century and commercial maraschino cherry production

appears to be primarily 19th Century. The modern maraschino cherry was

"Americanized" in the early 20th Century.


Bear



Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:56:55 -0500

From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at att.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] maraschino cherries

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


<<< I guess I should learn to do more quick Wikipedia searches. But it never

occurred to me that "maraschino" cherries would have *any* chance of

being period. It is hard enough to document any specific period cordials,

but here is one. As well as evidence for preservation of at least one

fruit in period in distilled alcohol. >>>


I ran about six different sources, two of them off my shelf, to get a feel

for the maraschino cherry. Wikipedia did provide the Zadar reference, but

I haven't found any confirming sources so don't take it as gospel. While

there is reference to the cordial being developed in the 16th Century and

that the cordial was used to preserve the cherries at a later date, I have

seen no specific evidence that the cherries were preserved in this manner

prior to 1600. It is highly probable, but not proven.


<<< Was wine or other non-distilled alcohol used as a preservative in period

as well? I'm assuming it wouldn't be quite as good a preservative as a

higher proof alcohol would be, though. >>>


Wine is not a particularly good preservative as it can be attacked by

bacteria. Far better to use vinegar, which is of course, wine or other

fermented beverage that has been inoculated with Acetobacter bacteria. Wine

can be used as a component of a preserving mixture as in jugging meat.


<<< Further reading of the Wikipedia article does indicate that the stuff you

get in the grocery store, labeled as "maraschino" cherries has little

resemblance to the real thing, being saturated in red food coloring and

having almond flavoring added. I wonder if "real" marachino cherries are

still available and at what price. Once I'm employed again, perhaps I'm

going to have to get some so I can compare these to what I thought were

marashino cherries.


Stefan >>>


The varieties of cherries used in making today's maraschino cherries are

sweet where the marasca cherry is sour, so there is probably a world of

difference. As to getting a real maraschino cherry, Luxardo, probably the

world's largest manufacturer of maraschino, packs marasca cherries in their

own juice for sale at obscene mark ups. I think it is probably the closest

thing to an old style maraschino cherry you can find.


Bear



Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:47:06 -0500

From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at att.net>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] maraschino cherries

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>


<<< When you say "own juice", do you mean the cherry juice? or the Maraschino

cordial juice?


Stefan >>>


From the way they advertise it, it is the cherries own juice rather than

maraschino liqueur.


Bear



Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:26:19 -0400

From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] cherry pottage, what's a #1 can?


There are others of course. We index 7 in the Concordance under Cherry

Pottage.


One really easy way to find cherry recipes is to

go to medievalcookery.com and use Doc's handy search engine.


Search under cherry and then again under cherries. Results vary a bit.


http://www.medievalcookery.com/cgi/search.pl?term=cherry&file=all


http://www.medievalcookery.com/cgi/search.pl?term=cherries&file=all


You didn't specify a country or time period and over time the pottage name becomes 'pudding.' This one is late but retains the pottage name.


To make pottage of Cherries. Fry white bread in butter til it be brown

and so put it into a dish, then take Cherries and take out the stones

and frye them where you fried the bread then put thereto Sugar,

Ginger, and Sinamon, for lacke of broth, take White or Claret Wine,

boyle these togither, and that doon, serve them upon your Tostes.


This is from A Book of Cookrye (England, 1591)

------

Johnnae



Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 07:53:42 -0700 (PDT)

From: wheezul at canby.com

To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] cherry pottage, what's a #1 can?


<<< PS: Also this is the only "cherry pottage" recipe I seem to have. Does

anyone else have another period cherry pottage or something similar?

--------

THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra >>>


Stefan, in a weird bit of synchronicity, I just did my first critical

reading of Wecker's cherry 'mu?' (mush/pottage) recipes. They seem to be

pretty similar in ingredients to the one you have, although some have wine

and additionally some have cinnamon or ginger for spice. There's one

layered affair that I'm still trying to understand with sugar/raisins,

then bread, cooked cherry brew, sugar/raisins and when the bread soaks up

the brew, the cooked cherries are added and finally another top layer of

bread. These are then cut into strips and artfully arranged on a chafing

type dish and partially covered with eggs. The dish is then cooked over

boiling water (or some other food). I wonder if the eggs are absorbed

into the bread or if they make the sliced cherry 'sandwiches' into a whole

single mass. I think it is intended to be served as a torte-like dish so

maybe it is a single mass meant to be cut into slices. Further

translation will probably clarify my fuzziness.


If there's any interest I'll post more.


Katherine in An Tir



Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:17:27 -0400

From: Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>

To: Christiane <christianetrue at earthlink.net>, Cooks within the SCA

<sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Cherries was Clove defined and symbolism


On Apr 3, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Christiane wrote:

<<< And was cherry pottage actually made by Elizabethan and Jacobean

cooks for noble patrons? It could have fallen out of fashion by then

(though rural families and gentry might have kept making it, though

they might not have been able to afford the cloves). Does anyone

know if it was on any English feast menus of later periods? >>>


I did a paper on cherries last summer. Recipes in the late

Elizabethan and Jacobean period include


To make Cherries in confection.

Take ripe and chosen cherries, cut of half the stalks and put them

in a frying pan over a soft fire, for every pound of Cheries strew

upon them a pound of good white sugar in pouder, seeth them so till

the third part be wasted, when they are sod put in a little Rosewater

with a few cloves, and sinamon beaten togither, then let them coole

two or three houres, and then put them into your pots.


A Book of Cookrye. (England, 1591)


Here again we have cloves and cinnamon being used, so apparently they

really did believe cherries went with cloves.


Here are a couple more:

To make conserue of cherries, and other fruites.


TAke halfe a pound of Cherries, & boile them dry in their own licour,

and then straine them through a Hearne rale, and when you haue

strained them, put in two pounde of fine beaten Suger, and boyle them

together a prety while, and then put your Conserue in a pot.


Dawson, Thomas. The second part of the good hus-wiues iewell. 1597.


A Cherry Tart.


BRuyse a pound of Cherries, and stampe them, and boyle the sirrup with

Sugar. Then take the stones out of two pound: bake them in a set

Coffin: Ice them, and serue them hot in to the Boorde.


A Nevv Booke of Cookerie. (England, 1615)


Johnna



Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:49:51 -0400

From: Sharon Palmer <ranvaig at columbus.rr.com>

To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Fwd: cherries


<<< I was just out at ME Moore on Seavey loop and

discovered that you can get upick bird cherries

there for 15 cents a pound. It strikes me that

these are a great period ingredient as they

would be much closer to the type of cherries

available in Medieval Europe than any commercial

variety. Anyway, I came home with 11 pounds and

would appreciate any suggestions on how to deal

with them so they are available in the future

for period recipes. I am not going to pit them

individually.


Martha >>>


Both sweet and sour cherries are known from at

least Roman times. "Sour cherry" is Prunus

Cerasus, sweet cherry is Prunus avium).

Definitions say Bird cherry is Prunus padus, and

too sour to be used, but I wonder if she has a

wild version of Prunus avium? I think the

various recipes should work, but if they are very

sour, she may need to add more suga


Either way, for most medieval recipes, I think

pie cherries might be a better choice if she can

find them, but I'm sure this will be interesting.

Please let us know how it goes.


Rumpolt calls for two kinds of sour cherry,

amarellen which have yellow flesh (may have red

skins or not) and weischel which have red flesh.



From Rumpolt:


Zugem?? 18. Amarellen - Sour yellow cherries

fried/ with a batter eingemacht*/ as mentioned

before/ as one should make a batter/ and quickly

fried.


Zugem?? 214. Weichselmu? - Sour cherry sauce.

Take cherries/ pull them away from the stems/ and

wash them off/ put them in a fish kettle/ and

slice bread into it/ pour water over it/ and let

simmer together/ strain it through a hair cloth/

that it is nicely thick/ and put it again in a

tinned fish kettle/ stir ground cinnamon bark and

sugar over it/ set it on coals/ and stir well/

until it cooks/ dress it in a dish/ and when you

will give it on a table/ be it cold or warm/ then

sprinkle it with coated fennel/ like this it is

good and well tasting.


Zugeh?rung 1. Weichsel Salsen - Sour cherry

sauce/ when it is cooked thick/ then one

dissolves with wine and sugar/ sprinkle with

coarse sugar/ like this is is good and well

tasting. - this was served as a condiment with

meat and poultry.


Suppen 34. Take dried sour cherries/ grind it

with the stone (or press out the stone?)/ strain

it though with wine/ make sweet with cinnamon and

sugar and let it simmer together/ like this it is

a good cherry soup.


Suppen 36. Take sour yellow cherries

(Amarellen)/ crush them with the stone (or press

out the stone?)/ they are dry or fresh/ strain it

though with cinnamon and wine/ and make it well

sweet/ let it simmer together/ it is good like

this.


Gebackens 3. Take sour cherry sauce/ and coat a

wafer/ put another wafer over/ and cut small or

large. Make a batter with wine and flour/ yellow

it a little/ and press the other into the batter/

so that the wafers remain together/ throw into

hot butter and do not burn/ give it warm on a

table/ and sprinkle it with white sugar.


Gebackens 15. Fried sour cherries/ fried in such

a batter. (from 13. Make a batter with clean

eggs or milk/ that is sweet)


Gebackens 41. Make a dough with milk/ eggs/ and

beautiful white flour/ put a little beer year in

it/ and make a good dough/ that is not completely

stiff/ and do not over salt it/ set it to the

warm/ that it nicely risen/ punch it down on a

clean board/ and do little black raisins around

it/ make strutzel from it/ throw it in hot

butter/ and fry/ like this it will nicely puff

up/ give cold or warm on a table/ sprinkle it

with sugar/ like this it is a good pastry.


Gebackens 42. Take such a dough/ and drive it

out/ wrap sour cherry sauce in it/ cut up with

the wheel/ throw in butter/ and fry/ give warm on

a table/ and sprinkle it with white sugar/ like

this it is a good fritter of sour cherry sauce/

You might make such a fritter from various sauces.


Confect 6. Sour cherry confect with water/ that

the broth becomes nicely thick/ and the cherries

set out in a dish/ pour the broth over the

cherries/ and let become cold. You can also well

preserve in a round box/ and pour the broth over

the top/ that the stems go nicely over

themselves/ be it in the dish or in the box/ like

this it is also good.


Eyngemachten 2. Amarellensafft. Sour yellow

cherry juice (or candy). Take cherries/ that are

nicely red/ tear the stems off/ and wash them

clean/ set on (the fire) in a clean fish kettle/

and let come to a simmer/ like this it gives a

juice from itself/ put them in a sack/ and press

out/ take a clean fish kettle or a clean pot/ put

a little sugar in it/ and let simmer together/

until becomes thick/ until it becomes thick/

which you think such to pour in a mold/ and from

the mold to put in a box. If you however would

have it sweet/ then you might take even more

sugar. If you would like to have it sour/ then

take even less sugar/ so it becomes good and

elegant. Safft usually means juice, but this is

a solid that is shaped into subtleties.


Eyngemachten 9. Take yellow sour cherries/ and

take the stone out/ and spread them through (a

sieve)/ put them in a syrup/ that is well boiled/

stir up/ that it does not burn/ and let simmer/

until you think/ that it has enough/ put it in a

box/ like this it is a good preserve/ is nicely

yellow and sour/ may sugar or not.


Sharon


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