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caltrops-msg - 7/25/11

 

A medieval anti-personnel/anti-equine item basically composed of four iron points arranged so that no matter how it lands, 1 point is always up.

 

NOTE: See also the files: Pensc-Caltrop-art, pottery-wepns-msg, quarterstaff-msg, shoes4combat-msg, warfare-msg, wounds-msg, blacksmithing-msg.

 

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:41:07 +0800

From: Rebecca Lucas <quokkaqueen at hotmail.com>

Subject: [Lochac] Caltrops! was: Looking for suggestions

To: <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

Here's a question to answer your question:

 

How much thicker were the soles of the Highlander's feet, compared to the other side who might have softer soles but wearing leather turnshoes? I suspect if anyone stepped on these little pointy things it'd hurt! :) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Westf%C3%A4lisches_Museum_f%C3%BCr_Arch%C3%A4ologie_Herne_03.jpg

 

Just a thought

~Asfridhr

 

<<snip>>

<<< Caltrops.

 

I thought these were primarily an anti-horse weapon, but I imagine  

they would work quite well against troops, especially bare-footed ones. >>>

 

 

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:51:43 +1300

From: Clare Baldock <clare at orcon.net.nz>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Caltrops! was: Looking for suggestions

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

        <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

On 22/11/2009, at 19:41 , Rebecca Lucas wrote:

<<< Here's a question to answer your question:

 

How much thicker were the soles of the Highlander's feet, compared  

to the other side who might have softer soles but wearing leather  

turnshoes? I suspect if anyone stepped on these little pointy things  

it'd hurt! :) >>>

 

I know that when I was young (at primary school - aged about 8-9) I  

also never wore shoes unless the grass was white with frost. I could  

walk on the volcanic rocks at the beach without a problem. At one  

point I stood on a piece of fencing wire - this indeed did penetrate  

my foot. The wound became infected and there was a large pocket of pus  

under the surface. I was given antibiotics, but to prick the blister  

and release the pus, a needle just was not up to the job and my mother  

had to use a sterilized razor blade. The skin on the sole of my foot  

was at least 5mm thick. I am sure caltrops would have hurt - either in  

my bare feet or wearing a light turn-shoe.

 

Eleyne

 

 

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:06:54 +1100

From: Zebee Johnstone <zebeej at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Caltrops! was: Looking for suggestions

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

        <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Clare Baldock <clare at orcon.net.nz> wrote:

<<< skin on the sole of my foot was at least 5mm thick. I am sure caltrops would

have hurt - either in my bare feet or wearing a light turn-shoe. >>>

 

I don't know that troops wore light turnshoes.

 

For one thing, they probably would wear out from marching.

 

The Romans had nailed soles, I'm not sure when heavier boots came in

again but I do know they were used in the late 1500s.

 

Silfren

 

 

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:07:34 +1100

From: Ian Whitchurch <ian.whitchurch at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Caltrops! was: Looking for suggestions

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

        <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

Its too hot and I'm too tired to properly document this, but this

woodcut of Spanish troops engaging in the post-Haarlem massacre are

wearing really, really, really cheap and crappy footwear.

 

http://www.executedtoday.com/images/Haarlem_siege_massacre.jpg

 

Anton de Stoc

In that Lake of Fire called Rowanie

XXII Novembre g+s

 

 

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:21:32 +1030

From: Sandra Bobleter <Sandra.Bobleter at flinders.edu.au>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Looking for suggestions ...

To: The at flinders.edu.au, "Shambles at flinders.edu.au":the SCA Lochac

        mailing list <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

 

With respect, here in Lochac (at least part of it) we don't need to

simulate caltrops.  They GROW here!  They're called 3-cornered jacks,

the bane of children and barefoot people.  And don't kid yourself, they

are strong and sharp and will get through any thickness of foot.  :(

 

Bianca.

 

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Stefan li Rous wrote, On 21/11/2009 3:11 PM:

<<< Barefoot sounds like the ultimate combination of "period" and "easy"

to me! You even get "free!" thrown in!

 

Columb >>>

 

Caltrops.

 

I thought these were primarily an anti-horse weapon, but I imagine

they would work quite well against troops, especially bare-footed ones.

 

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltrop

 

"A caltrop is a device composed of four spikes or points arranged so

that in whatever manner it is thrown on the ground, it rests on three

and presents the fourth upright."

 

How can we (do we already?) simulate caltrops in SCA combat?

 

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