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pottery-wepns-msg - 12/21/99

 

Period use of pottery in weapons.

 

NOTE: See also the files: pottery-msg, warfare-msg, weapons-msg, ships-msg, ships-bib, firearms-msg, blackpowder-msg, slings-msg.

 

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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:24:51 -0800 (PST)

   From: Jeanne Wood <clayjinn at yahoo.com>

To: Potters at onelist.com

Subject: pottery weapons

 

Did anyone else catch the PBS show last night on the

Archaeological dig of ship sunk off the Gulf Coast of

Texas? It was one of the French explorer LaSalle's

ship's sunk in the 1600's. One of the artifacts they

found was a weapon consisting of a ceramic pot filled

with pitch, and inside that was a cast metal cup(which

may have contained gunpowder, I'm not certain). The

pot had a wooden lid which contained a fuse.

The combatants would light the fuse toss it over on an

enemy ship, it would explode blowing hot pitch all

over and the explosion would cause a second explosion

which would blow the cast metal shrapnel all over the

deck. They said it was unlikely to kill, but it would

maim and the wounds would cause infection.

They showed an attractive little pot. I felt kind of

sad I'd never before heard of our craft used as a

weapon of battle.

 

Morgaina

 

 

Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:28:00 -0500

   From: Timothy A Whitcomb <freyja1 at juno.com>

To: Potters at onelist.com

Subject: Re: pottery weapons

 

SNIPPED

> deck. They said it was unlikely to kill, but it would

> maim and the wounds would cause infection.

> They showed an attractive little pot. I felt kind of

> sad I'd never before heard of our craft used as a

> weapon of battle.

> Morgaina

 

Yeah, it is...

But evidently not that uncommon. Remember that ms. illumination of the

two demon-like characters flailing away at each other with broken

tankards? And in McCarthy and Brooks there are a number of citations for

pottery being used as a murder weapon in England, even among the clergy!

 

Hroar

 

 

Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:35:12 +1100

   From: "Lenehan" <lenehan at southcom.com.au>

To: Potters at onelist.com

Subject: Re: pottery weapons

 

Madelaine's husband here:

 

From: Jeanne Wood <clayjinn at yahoo.com>

>One of the artifacts they

>found was a weapon consisting of a ceramic pot filled

>with pitch, and inside that was a cast metal cup(which

>may have contained gunpowder, I'm not certain). The

>pot had a wooden lid which contained a fuse.

 

Ceramics have featured in weaponry for a very long time. Both traditional

naptha bombs (used by the Romans) and Greek Fire (used by the Byzantines)

were sometimes held in ceramic containers to be hurled by engines.  The

Greek Fire thus became an early napalm bomb (instead of its normal use in

flamethrowers).  Specifically exploding pots date from the earliest days of

gunpowder.   In 1232 (well within our period) the town of Kai-feng-fu (in

China) defended itself against the Mongols using war rockets.   From later

versions that are known it is likely that these had a simple ceramic

exploding head, detonated by a fuse.  Whilst not very effective in terms of

casualties, the horses really didn't like them.  Some grenades today still

use ceramic shrapnel as x-rays cannot pick it up as well (lovely people

aren't we).

 

Of course, broken pots (not actually of interest to you people) were also

used in some of the first "grape" style weapons. Much easier and cheaper

than iron shot - and it leaves nasty open wounds.

 

yis

Hrolf Herjolfssen

 

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