wed-attire-FAQ - 3/18/96 Medieval and Renaissance Theme Wedding FAQ: Questions about Attire. NOTE: See also the files: weddings-msg, p-weddings-bib, wed-FAQ, p-marriage-msg, Ger-marriage-msg, Scot-marriage-msg, beadwork-msg, silk-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This article was submitted to me by the author for inclusion in this set of files, called StefanŐs Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org Copyright to the contents of this file remains with the author. While the author will likely give permission for this work to be reprinted in SCA type publications, please check with the author first or check for any permissions granted at the end of this file. Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: Stefan li Rous stefan@florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Medieval and Renaissance Theme Wedding FAQ: Questions about Attire *************************************************************** (c) The Medieval and Renaissance Theme Wedding FAQ was compiled by and is maintained and copyrighted by Barbara J. Kuehl. All suggestions and additions should be emailed to her at bj@csd.uwm.edu. This document may be freely redistributed without modification provided that the copyright notice is not removed. It may not be sold for profit or incorporated in commercial documents without the written permission of the holder. **************************************************************** 3.1: Those who were married in a medieval-style ceremony, what did your wedding party and guests wear? From ladyjane@cyberverse.com (Lanfear) My dress was upper-middle class, Spanish style in forest green with mint green trim and pearls. My husband wore garb from the same green but his was trimmed in gold. ------------------------- From michelle.campbell@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (Miche) The bride wore a Renaissance style cartridge-pleated, side-laced dress of purple, lilac and black satin. The groom wore Tudor style gears like you see in the pictures of Henry VIII, including codpiece. The guests all wore their favourite garb. The bride lent me a dress - Renaissance style back-laced dress with plunging v-neck, in blue and silver, with a line of tiny bells round the waist line. ------------------------- From Susan Carroll-Clark My husband and I wore ivory and gold Elizabethan garb (not so much because these were wedding colours, but because they were popular Elizabethan colours). Another wedding I attended had the male and female attendants in red and blue cotehardies, while the bride and groom wore houppelandes. ------------------------- From: byrdie@serv.net (Renee Ann Byrd) In a 1993 wedding I attended, the bride's attendants wore angel dresses -- basically these were long tunics with tied around the waist with a rope-like belt. ------------------------- From bj@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu In a trendy dresshop, I found a white, gauzy, A-line floor length dress with a white-embroidered bodice. I dyed it green because medieval brides did not normally wear white. I did, however, wear it with a white lace shawl and a wreath of fresh ivy for a tiara. I carried a bouquet of green ivy and white sweetpea which I tied together with trailing white and green ribbons. My bridesmaids wore long, green, crushed velvet dresses and carried candles. The groom dressed as a medieval huntsman in green velvet britches, knee-length leather mocassins, white shirt and leather jerkhin. The groomsmen dressed similarly (except they did not wear jerkhins). I made their britches but they obtained everything else from Museum Replicas Ltd. ------------------------- From: ojid.wbst845@xerox.com (Orilee Ireland-Delfs) The bride wore a cream brocade dress (a bit of fantasy here - it was modeled after one in the Princess Bride) with her hair uncovered. Her bridesmaids each wore a dress in a jewel tone to match their own persona: one was in a deep red tudor, another in emerald green cotehardie. She also made matching outfits for her parents and his parents (the fathers discovered how much fun tights can be - we complimented them on their legs quite regularly!) Guests were encouraged to wear garb (although the SCA guests wore garb as a matter of course). The groom, being Irish, wore a saffron yellow tunic with embroidery and went barefoot most of the day. ------------------------- From: Jason_L@pop.com (Jason L) One of my cousins decided to do a Ren wedding on Twelfth Night the same year we did ours. When I finally saw the pictures I was quite disappointed in the quality of her "production". Not only did she wear a white dress, the bridesmaids all wore the same color and kind of dress. Both TOTALLY inappropriate for the period. They were also more of an Arthurian fantasy style and not authentic to the period. However the groom did get to wear a full suit of armour! (Way cool!) ------------------------- From: Patricia D. Mooney About half the guests dressed in costume, including the parents and several newborns! Although I had a regular, off-shoulder wedding dress (ordered before we got this bright idea!) and wreath, Alan wore tunic, tights, and sword. The sword became quite a prop for pictures -- my favorite photo is of all costumed guests surrounding me as I knighted Alan. After we'd chosen our garb, we ran across the most beautiful medieval wedding costumes in a shop -- but it was too late and the wrong season. (The costumes were appropriate for winter, not August.) ------------------------- From: "John A. Resotko" I already have a good portion of my clothing (leggings, knee-high hand-tooled moccassins from Bald Mountain Mocs, etc.) since we frequent RenFests in the Michigan/Illinois/Ohio area. I'll probably buy an exceptional quality shirt and a brocaded jacket/vest to dress my usual garb up for the occasion. ------------------------- From: platypus@glue.umd.edu (Amy E. Rottier) My dress was made by a bridal shop that makes dresses in Takoma Park, MD. I found the perfect material after many weeks of intensive searching - an ivory brocade with gold strewn through it. The fabric was $25 a yard. I wanted the majority of the dress made with this fabric, and the rest in an ivory antiqued satin. The way it ended up: dropped waist gown with full skirt, slim long sleeves, pointed. Low neckline. Plain shoulders. The brocade fabric was used everywhere except the sleeves and a front placket that ran from neck to hem. I had a gold cord criss-crossed across the front of the bodice and tied at the dropped waist. Everyone said I sparkled in the sun. I felt so beautiful in that dress. My then-fiance decided he wanted to wear a cloak and tights, so tights they wore. We had the cloak made (reversible, in black and burgundy, with glorious trim), found burgundy leggings in a clothing store, he made a belt, and dyed his moccasin boots. He wore a tunic of an ivory color, with a stand-up collar. He also wore leather bracelets (the manly kind!). He was stunning. Anyway, it turned out that Mark's outfit cost as much as mine. How's that for equality! My bridesmaids wore a version of a dirndl pattern - a floor-length skirt (in burgundy) with bodice-vested top (in mauve). The pattern also included a shirt, but we made the sleeves from a muslin-type cotton (off-white and speckly) and just attached them to the vest. The guys wore a version of Mark's outfit - black cloak (not as ornate, and not reversible), black shirts with burgundy belts, burgundy tights, and black ankle-high moccasin boots. ------------------------- From: june@netcom.com (June Petersen) I suppose my dress was more like "fantasy Ren", two layers of beige gauze skirt with lace, and a beige gauzy top with a lace-up center (upon which were sewn pearls and brilliants). I've always been a fiend for lace, so there was lots of it, including a 5 foot lace "train" veil (carried by my "page"). We bought the basic dress stuff (skirts, top) and embellished the hell out of it. It had detachable sleaves of lace, very big and trailing at the bottom. He wore breeches and boots, a loose cotton shirt and a big cloak. Our parents were also dressed in Renaissance mode, as were my Mom's folks. A lot of the guests came in Ren or pseudo-Ren, which made it a lot of fun! ------------------------- From: Guinevere1@aol.com My fiance and I will be wearing traditional wedding clothes (since he couldn't manage to talk his ushers into wering period clothing!) My dress is ivory, with a V-neck neckline and brocade detailing on the bodice, with matching detail an inch above the hemline. My fiance bought me the necklace I will be wearing. It is a Medieval cross (purchased through Past Times), even on all four sides (rather than a traditional cross, which is longer at the bottom) with a garnet in the center. The four "ends" are in the shape of Fleur de Lys, with a pearl on three of them. It was believed back then that this type of medallion was good luck. The ushers will be wearing tuxedoes but not with the traditional bowtie and cumberbund. Instead, it's the type of tuxedo with an ascot (wide tie) and vest. Danny (the groom) will wear tails, and the ushers will wear shorter jackets. The girls will be wearing emerald green velvet dresses. ------------------------- From: Jason_L@pop.com (Jason L) The hardest thing to do was getting enough GOOD costumes for everyone. It is much easier to do if you do peasant or lower middle class dress, but we did a noble wedding which is harder to pull off. We used our costume colors in a dramatic way. Andrea's family and attendants were dressed in yellows & browns, while my side was predominately in blues & grays. We were both dressed in green. Andrea had gold trim, myself with blue. Even though it was slightly 'theatrical' it represented a symbolic merging of the families -- Andrea's family in Earth tones, my own family in the colors of water and sky, and us in green, the color of new growth and renewal. It turned out that the hardest thing with the costumes was convincing both mothers that they REALLY had to wear them. Both fathers said "It sounds like fun!". ================================================================ 3.2: Any ideas on how I can encourage my guests to dress in period clothing, too? From: peterscc@whitman.edu (Chris Petersen) I attended my first SCA event last summer - as a guest at a friend's wedding. With each invitation, she included a small SCA-published pamphlet that talked about how to quickly, cheaply and easily make period dress for just such an event. Many people chose to follow this and some even wore towels clipped together to form tabbards. Others chose simply to come in mundane clothing. ------------------------- From: Jason_L@pop.com (Jason L) We encouraged our guests to come in period attire, but did not make it mandatory. I included a brouchure that I had bought at the Southern (California) Faire about assembling an outfit that would give a period look using clothing that most people might already have or could get easily. We also included info about where people could rent or purchase costumes in the area. About half of our guests at least made an attempt to come in period attire, the rest mostly wore traditional modern dress clothing. At least they came, so I didn't mind that they were in modern clothing. Also try to get a caterer, photograher and minister who will dress in period clothing, and be prepared to get the clothing for them. We interviewed a few before we found some that would be willing to 'dress up' for our wedding. ------------------------- From: Jason_L@pop.com (Jason L) Try to get a minister who will dress in period clothing and be prepared to get the clothing for them. We interviewed a few before we found some that would be willing to 'dress up' for our wedding. ------------------------- From: ladyjane@cyberverse.com (Lanfear) The gentleman that did our wedding was a personal friend but is on a referal list the Faire keeps of ordained clergy that will do weddings in period garb, style, etc. ------------------------- From hamilton@adi.com Some friends of mine had a Renaissance-style wedding a couple of years ago. The reception was themed as a masked ball (so the family and friends could wear any costume they wanted). The wearing of masks was prevalent throughout the 15th and 16th centuries, especially during the Carnival season. The film "Much Ado About Nothing" (the Branagh version) has a very nice masked party. The Liz Taylor-Richard Burton version of Taming of the Shrew has a Carnival procession wandering through Padua. And of course, there's Zefirelli's Romeo and Juliet, where R&J meet at a masked party. ------------------------- From: ???????????? For those guests who cannot come up with a suitable costume I am making 'slip on' costumes -- tunics over pants for men, dresses for women. ================================================================ 3.3: HELP! My fiance wants a medieval-style wedding but I don't know the first thing about that time period, much less about the clothes they wore. From fishcat@hooked.net (Trystan L. Bass) Go to the library and take a look at some historical costume books and pick out a time frame that suits you. Here are some basic categories to help you decide: 1. Royalty (the most formal and fanciest clothes from the era) 2. Merchant class (good but not showy, modestly prosperous) 3. Peasant (casual, carefree, outdoorsy, little decoration) A. Medieval (women in long, slim-fitting gowns; men in tights and tunics) B. Renaissance (women in tight bodices and full skirts; men in tights, breeches, pirate shirts, laced vests) If you want your whole bridal party in period garb, think about what styles everyone will be comfortable in. Renaissance peasants and Medieval clothing will probably be easiest to wear for those not accustomed to heavy, confining, or unusual clothing. These are also the easiest styles to create! ------------------------- From: Anne Reynolds For any given century, there was usually one or two "cultural centers of the world." Everyone else tried to imitate that culture. For example, the British Isles spent most of the 11th-13th century trying to imitate France. In the late 14th-15th centuries, Italy was the place to imitate. In the 16th and 17th centuries, Spain and then England were considered cultural centers. The cotehardie was *the* fashion for women in the 12th - 13th centuries. The best examples of the style are in french books of hours. Most of those books also show women in houppelandes which was the second most popular fashion from the 12th - mid 14th century. The houppelande is a much "bulkier", gathered dress that is also very lovely. The main style of clothing for most of the middle ages (popular from Roman times through the 12th century) is the T-tunic. It is very simple to make but has millions of variations and can be elaborately decorated. You can decorate the sleeves, the hem, the collar, the front, etc. It can be as long or as short as you please, the sides can flare out instead of being cut straight down, and the side seams can be left open below the hips for greater range of movement. The T-tunic was worn by both men and women and it is cut like: -------------------\ /-------------------- <- on the fold | ----- | | _________ _________ | | / | | \ | |/ | | \| / | | \ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ------------------------ ================================================================ 3.4: My wife is desperately in need of a source of patterns for medieval/Renaissance wedding clothing for the bride, groom, and all of the wedding party. Where can we get such patterns? From: bj@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Barbara Jean Kuehl) There are a number of different pattern companies that specialize in historically-accurate period clothing. Four that I have heard of (and there may be others) are Folkwear Patterns, Period Patterns (by Medieval Miscellanea), Past Patterns and Fantasy Patterns. ------------------------- From: ??????????? Folkwear Patterns is a large, popular company that makes patterns inspired by folk costume, ethnic clothing, and historical fashions. The patterns are historically accurate, and include historical/ethnic/folkloric notes & ideas for embellishment. Many of the ethnic clothing patterns work for Med/Ren styles, esp. peasant clothes. The historical fashions are mostly 19th & 20th century. Medieval Miscellanea is one of the few makers of specifically Med/Ren clothing patterns. They have a lot of historical annotation, but can be hard to follow. Past Patterns makes 19th & early 20th century patterns, historically accurate, often with historical info on the patterns. ------------------------- From: susan-o@metronet.com (Susan A. Ondrick) I have Period Patterns No. 56, Late Tudor and Elizabethan Gowns. Historical notes are included with the patterns. ------------------------- From: bj@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Barbara Jean Kuehl) Period Patterns, Fantasy Fashion Patterns and Folkwear Patterns are also available through Chivalry Sports (see catalog list), although their selection is very limited. Period Patterns are available through MacKenzie-Smith. ------------------------- From: liversen@physiology.medsch.ucla.edu (Lori Iversen) Both Folkwear and Medieval Miscellanea brands are available through the Raiments catalog as well as Amazon Vinegar Pickling Works and Drygoods Emporium [see catalog list], along with lots of other pattern brands and costuming sundries. I would recommend getting catalogs from both places instead of just asking for a particular pattern brand; that will give you a much larger base to work from. ------------------------- From: connect@aol.com (CONNECT) Fantasy Fashion patterns are in the Raiments catalog. ------------------------- From amberly@magellan.cloudnet.com I have ordered Folkwear patterns and have been very pleased with them. I have seen Folkwear patterns carried in specialty pattern shops, but they carry a very limited selection. ------------------------- From: jjones@atlas.ontos.com (JJ) Try Folkwear Patterns. They have various enthnic patterns as well as historical ones. Not all fabric stores carry them. I'd recommend sitting down with the yellow pages, looking up "Fabrics" and calling every fabric store listed. Talk to the managers if you have to - if they don't carry Folkwear they might know of places that do. I've made several of the Folkwear patterns. Many of them are DIFFICULT (and I'm a *very* experienced seamstress). Many of them are constructed in ways that are close to the originals, which means odd pieces and attachments. They also tend to have several sizes in the same envelope. Proper body measurements are a must, and you need an experienced seamstress to do it. By the way, some of the patterns are absolutely gorgeous - so they're worth the effort. But not for the fainthearted! ------------------------- From: fishcat@hooked.net (Trystan L. Bass) If historical accuracy matters, I *highly* recommend buying the Raiments catalog of historical patterns. There are some very easy to use patterns for men's & women's medieval and Renaissance garments, plus they sell readymade corsets & hoops (for noblewomen's costumes). If you aren't too concerned with history, look through the pattern books at your local fabric store. The Halloween sections have many simple Robin Hood style outfits, plus there are a few Christopher Columbus patterns still out there. You can also modify modern patterns by extending hemlines, adding fullness to sleeves, cutting pants into breeches, and making vests lace up instead of button. The books _Elizabethan Costuming_ and _After a Fashion_ both have great tips on modifying modern patterns to create historical costumes. ------------------------- From: fishcat@hooked.net (Trystan L. Bass) COSTUME REFERENCES Winter, Janet and Carolyn Savoy. _Elizabethan Costuming for the Years 1550-1580_ 1987. Other Times Productions, 386 Alcatraz Ave., Oakland, CA 94618. Available from the publisher and from Raiments (see catalog list). Includes pattern diagrams, detailed instructions, and lots of helpful drawings. Perfect for beginners. Grimble, Frances. _After a Fashion: How to Reproduce, Restore, and Wear Vintage Styles_ 1993. Lavolta Press, 20 Meadowbrook Dr., San Francisco, CA 94132. Available from the publisher and from Raiments (see catalog list). Very useful overview of historical styles, including Medieval and Renaissance. Tons of wonderful sewing, pattern modifying, and clothes re-modeling tips. Holkeboer, Kathleen. _Patterns for Theatrical Costume_ Available in bookstores and from Raiments. Scale-able grid diagrams of patterns for historical costume from Ancient Egypt through 20th century (men and women). The Medieval and Renaissance patterns are attractive and give options for several different styles. ------------------------- From kithatton@aol.com I highly recommend picking up a copy of "Elizabethan Costuming". It is by far the best practical book for Elizabethan costuming of all classes. It includes info on dress, hair styles, and head coverings. ------------------------- From: Victoria (address unknown) The best place to get authentic patterns for the 16th Century is from a book by Janet Arnold - ["Patterns of Fashion", published in 1985 by Macmillan London Limited]. What she does is take REAL clothing from the period, carefully studies it and makes actual patterns from the original garments. In the book there are a series of pattern drawings from her research. Of course, these are to scale, and you'd have to get your own pattern paper (or butcher's paper) to redraw the patterns - but it includes a number of mens and womens' and children's outfits - plus it has photographs of the actual pieces - including some close-ups of the insides...amazing detail information that will make any costumer drool. ------------------------- From: fishcat@hooked.net (Trystan L. Bass) The only way to get really period garb is to sew it yourself, of course. If you're going for a very early period &/or for peasant classes, the clothes are pretty easy to make & you could round up everyone you know & have sewing parties. When doing period events with non-costumer folk, it's always a good idea to make it as easy & comfortable for them as possible. You might not want to stress historical accuracy if you're dealing with people who rarely wear anything but jeans and sneakers! ================================================================ 3.5: I can't sew on a button. Where can I buy medieval clothing? From: fishcat@hooked.net (Trystan L. Bass) Look in regular clothing stores for things with a Medieval or Renaissance flair. Women look for: long velvet gowns with fitted bodices, long sleeves, and full skirts; velvet or tapestry vests (especially those that lace up the front), peasant blouses, ruffled blouses, long skirts. Men look for: full pirate-style shirts, velvet tunics, velvet or tapestry or leather vests, baggy trousers, boots. For simple peasant outfits, go to thrift and second-hand stores for gauzy peasant blouses, pirate shirts, long cotton skirts, and leather boots and belts. ------------------------- From: apr@fc.hp.com (Anne Reynolds) For about the past eight years, I've KNOWN what I wanted my wedding dress to be like. If you look in french books of hours, you see it all over the place - it's sort of an A-line dress except much more fitted in the chest/rib cage area, scoop neckline, fitted sleeves, huge skirt and train. Then, while flipping through some bridal magazines, I saw this one bridesmaid's dress, and I just kept coming back to it. So finally I said to myself, "if you don't go try on that dress, you'll never be happy with any other dress, not even your dream dress." So I went to a store and tried it on - just that one and no other. I just about cried at how pretty I FELT when I put it on. Especially when the saleslady pulled out *the perfect veil* to wear with it. It was THE DRESS after all. As an added plus, since it was labelled as a bridesmaid's dress, it was cheap compared to most wedding gowns. I paid about $400 for the dress and veil which was less than I had planned to spend making my original dream dress. ------------------------- From: fishcat@hooked.net (Trystan L. Bass) Check out local costume rental shops -- this way bridal party members & guests don't have to pay for whole outfits they'll never wear again. Also, take a look through thrift shops for accessories like belts, cups, jewelry, etc. BTW, a decent costume shop will be as "approximately period" as any of the readymade supposedly period clothes I've ever seen for sale!) Some stores will even sell you the costumes, if you want to keep them or make alterations. One warning -- do not expect to be able to do this in October. Costume shops are swamped in October (for Halloween), so prices go up and selection goes down. ------------------------- From Tina Schutte (spires@one.net (Lee Spires) I think I may have found a gown! There's a costume shop here that supplies our local theater groups...They have something that, although it's too big, they may be able to make me a copy in the colors and fabrics I choose. Now I've got to pick fabrics, check costs, and pray it can be done in the time I've got!! ------------------------- From: fishcat@hooked.net (Trystan L. Bass) Ask everyone you know if they have anything in their closets. People who do living history sometimes get tired of their costumes and sell them. Place a small ad in the local costumer's guild, Renaissance guild, and SCA newsletters. Ask around on rec.sca.org and alt.renaissance.faires, too (these are also good places to search for a costumer/seamstress). ------------------------- From ladyjane@cyberverse.com (Lanfear) I contacted my local SCA chapter and arranged to have our wedding outfits made by someone into costuming. We made sure they were done period so that we could use them for later Faires and events. She went to the fabric distrinct in downtown LA and found an elegant wool imported from England at only $5 a yard. The total cost on our outfits was $350. ------------------------- From aam0709@is.nyu.edu (Aliesha A. Murray) For the costumes, we're getting a costumer who's also involved with local Renaissance festivals. Groomsmens outfits will be about $65 to rent, bridesmaids about $100, groom about $100 (his costume is more elaborate). The people we're working with are actually willing to make the clothes to our specifications, then rent them to us. This way they get to keep the clothes and rent them out to other people later. You may be able to get a costumer to do this, too, especially if they do weddings a lot. These people are also willing to make my dress, and they said that if they can't do it then they know people from the Ren Faire who can. If you have a Ren. Faire in your area I definitely recommend going there, if only just to get some ideas. By the way, we're sticking with tunics for the men and princess-seamed dresses for the women. That way the men don't have to wear tights, and princess dresses look good on almost any body type. We're going with capes, too. They look really dramatic. ------------------------- From: Jason_L@pop.com (Jason L) One of my best friends is a costumer who happens to specialize in renaissance costumes. He agreed to do our outfits as well as clothe the rest of the wedding party and our parents. He worked with us to design our clothing and incorporate our ideas. After several discussions and much research, he did some renderings to show what the final product would look like. We then went shopping for fabrics and trims, and then he went to WORK. The final version exceeded our expectations! They were simply marvelous! Without his support and well-stocked closet, I don't think we could have done it. All told, he provided 22 costumes -- the ones he made for us (which we kept) and 20 others that he either pulled from or made for his stock. ------------------------- From: fishcat@hooked.net (Trystan L. Bass) Check with local theatrical companies and college theater departments to see if they've done any Shakespearean plays recently and want to sell their costumes. This is a long shot, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Also check to see if they have particular times when everything in the wardrobe's up for sale (some places do this once a year as a fund-raiser). ================================================================ 3.6: Does anybody know of a catalog which offers readymade but affordable period clothes? I can't possibly sew for everyone! From: bj@alpha1.csd.uw.edu There are a number of mailorder companies that carry readymade period clothing. Some will even rent clothing. See the list of catalogs in this faqsheet. ================================================================ 3.7: Does anyone know of good Web sites regarding medieval clothing? From: markh@risc.sps.mot.com (Mark.S Harris) You might check the CLOTHING section of my SCA Rialto files at: http://fermi.clas.virginia.edu/~gl8f/rialto/rialto.html. The file patterns-msg details a number of modern patterns that can be modified to medieval style clothing. I believe there is another file that lists the names and addresses of various merchants selling medieval patterns. There are various other files on making gloves, headgear, shoes, undergarments and other clothing apparel as well as files on Scottish and Irish clothing and other clothing files. ________________________ From: bj@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu There is another website that I know of which offers costuming information: http://www.bibiana.com/velvet/peasant.html contains directions for making Renaissance peasant clothing. Two other sources of information about period clothing is the Historical Costuming FAQ at http://reality.sgi.com/employees/lara/lara.html and the Historic Costume Mailing List (see following message). ________________________ From: close@lunch.engr.sgi.com (Diane Barlow Close) The Historic Costume Mailing List focuses on the re-creation of period costume, from the Bronze age to the mid-20th Century. We discuss accurate historical reproduction of clothing, historical techniques for garment construction, and the application of those techniques in modern clothing design. Other topics frequently discussed include adapting historical clothing for the modern figure, clothing evolution, theatrical costumes, patterns, materials, books, and sources for supplies. We have over 600 members, of varying levels of ability, education and interest. Members include re-creationists and reenactors of all eras, historians, museum personnel, students and professors of both theatre and history, and other academics, authors, directors, dancers, professional costumers, wearable artists, sewers interested in learning "lost" techniques, and some who are simply "fans" of history. This is a list that brings together many different types of people, all sharing information and hanging out and having fun. To join the list, send a message to: majordomo@lunch.engr.sgi.com In that message, say one of the following as the body of the message: subscribe h-costume end or subscribe h-costume-digest end The first will put you on the list to receive approx. 5-20 messages per day. The second will put you on the list to receive one digest approximately every 1-5 days of the past week's mailings. ================================================================ 3.8: My fiance has informed me that he hates tuxes and would prefer to get married in a robe rather like the ones worn by Sir Thomas More in A Man for All Seasons. Anyone have a clue where I would find such a beast? From: Mistress Aidan Morgana Evans I believe that the garment for which you search is called in period a "loose gown". Patterns for several may be found in "Patterns of Fashion, vol III" by Janet Arnold. The scaled patterns may look complicated but this was the first garment which my lord husband patterned and made for himself. Your lord will look splendid, but don't skimp on the fabric. ================================================================ 3.9: Does anyone know where I could get a velvet cape? I am thinking about an evening wedding and an off the shoulder gown, and I get cold easily (Plus I just love them!!). From: fishcat@hooked.net (Trystan L. Bass) Capes are probably the world's easiest thing to sew -- a beginner can do it, even in velvet (if you're patient). Many pattern companies have simple cape patters with variations like collars, hoods, etc. Look in the "coats" and "evening wear" sections of pattern companies. Depending on your gown, you might want a full-length cape or a fingertip length one or even a short elbow length cape. It can be simple and unadorned or you can edge it with fur, maribou, lace, ribbon, cording, metallic braid, etc. This is *such* an easy project! Don't waste a lot of time searching for one readymade in stores -- just go to the fabric store. And if you don't sew, ask around. Grandmothers, older aunts, and even mothers are often of a generation that knew how to sew. It could be a lovely wedding present too. **************************************************************** Edited by Mark S. Harris wed-attire-FAQ