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This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that
I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some
messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.

This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium.
These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org

I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with
seperate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes
extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were
removed to save space and remove clutter.

The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I
make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the
individual authors.

Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these
messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this
time. If information is published from these messages, please give
credit to the orignator(s).

Thank you,
Mark S. Harris AKA: Lord Stefan li Rous
mark.s.harris@motorola.com stefan@florilegium.org

From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Heraldry questions
Date: 7 Apr 1993 19:52:53 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM

Thanks for the response. In regards to stains, no, I'm well aware
of the bad connotations in having deep red and orange in your
heraldry. The problem is that a lot of people have expressed very
strong interest in making heraldric devices for their personas
in Amtgard, but they do not want to be stuck with the seven basic
colors. I am trying to make a system of heraldry for Amtgard that is
more equitable to non-european and fantastic personas, which Amtgard
allows for. By the way, Amtgard is a group formed in El Paso Texas
ten years ago (big celebration this year) from a lot of ex-SCA
people who were having problems with the old "authenticity" issue.
Basically they wanted to use lighter weapons, have some form of
battlefield magic and non "real" (whatever that means) personas.

Im not going to start an Amtgard vs SCA fight here, I respect the
SCA too much for that. I merely hope that I could get some good ideas
from heraldry folks in the SCA for this issue.

In service to his Grace, Duke Sir Greywalker of Dragonspine
I remain your servant,

Andacar of Keccia
of the Wardancers


From: sjvn@access.digex.com (Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Those Two Chucks
Date: 7 Apr 1993 22:48:48 -0400
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA

While I'm no expert on the Tuchux, my household, the House of the
Drunken Badger, has long been friendly with the Tuchux so I know
something about them.

The Tuchux are into their own unique combination of barbarian
recreation with a touch of fantasy, martial arts,
and their own highly developed sense of honor (which isn't at all
like the SCA's.) They also have a very 'earthy' sense of humor.
An important point to remember is that just as SCAians play the
game of 'freak the mundanes,' the Tuchux can and do play the
game of 'freak the SCAians.' One frequently misunderstood point,
however, is that the Tuchux do call their warriors, dogs (who may
be women) and non-fighting women, wenches. Hence, when a Tuchux
calls a SCA type a SCAian dog, it's almost never meant as an insult.
When they want to insult you, trust me, you'll know.

The Tuchux have been around for I believe about twenty years. It's
my understanding, someone else I'm sure will know, that the Tuchux
actually have been at the Coopers Lake site for longer then the SCA.
Thus, the reason why they remain in possession of their site on
Tuchux hill. Many Tuchux partipate in SCA events and combat, and
indeed many of them are SCA members.

The Tuchux have many events exclusively their own. Besides events
that would be very familar to most SCAians, they also tend to
have theme or quest-oriented events. These are almost all restricted
to Tuchux or very close friends only.

When the Tuchux fight in SCA events they stick to SCA rules, though
generally speaking they take much lighter blows then SCAians do.
They also have their own fighting rules, which allow more legal types
of blows and tends to be more rough and rumble.

Alexius Stephanovich
Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: icklinck@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Ian "Rhys" Klinck)
Subject: Re: Those Two Chucks
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 23:04:41 GMT

In article <1q03qg$83a@access.digex.net> sjvn@access.digex.com (Steven J.
Vaughan-Nichols) writes:

>The Tuchux have been around for I believe about twenty years. It's
>my understanding, someone else I'm sure will know, that the Tuchux
>actually have been at the Coopers Lake site for longer then the SCA.
>Thus, the reason why they remain in possession of their site on
>Tuchux hill. Many Tuchux partipate in SCA events and combat, and
>indeed many of them are SCA members.

Well, in discussion with His Grace, Duke Finnvarr (King of the East at, I
believe PW IV, King of the Middle once since, and one of the very few to have
attended every Pennsic War) at this past Pennsic, he said that this rumour is
patently false. He said that he knew the person who "discovered" Cooper's
Lake as a site for War. (The quote did come up in the conversation, and I
don't remember who said it... "If they were here first, do you think they'd
have let US in?")

'Course, this leads to an interesting story from last year's AEthelmearc War
Practice, at Cooper's Lake in May. We got to know the camp staff fairly well
that weekend, as we spent much time on their phone with a local garage ( :-( ).
One day we went up to make some purchases, and they told us they had some
complaints from some (mundane) campers (the 'Lake's only about half ours during
the War practice...) about noise the night before, "and we were wondering
whether we should go and tell these people that they weren't welcome to camp
here, but then we realized it was just the 'Chux."

Dilestair fid dy hynt, ac ni rusia ddim rhagot!
Rhys ap Bledri


From: David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Tuchux Origins
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 23:31:56 -0400
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon,
Pittsburgh, PA

Greetings good gentles --

I was hoping someone more closely connected to such things would
comment on the origins of the Tuchux, but since I have not yet seen
such a post I will share my limited understanding of the circumstances.

A mundane martial arts instructor (John Hamilton?) had (and still has,
I believe) a dojo in the Pittsburgh suburbs. This instructor adopted
the persona of Wolf the Mighty and founded the Tuchux, made up of his
students, in time to take them to Pennsic III, held the weekend after
Labor Day at a site near Pittsburgh. That should place them back at
least as far as 1977 or so...

Of course, my copy of "Nomads of Gor" (where the name comes from)
has a copyright date of 1969...

For a long time almost all the Tuchux lived within a circle with a
100 mile radius centered on Pittsburgh, but now a number have moved
elsewhere in the Known and the mundane world. The stories about
Tuchux with cellular phones calling their brokers from Pennsic are
true, but dogs and wenches have the same spectrum of occupations as
most SCA members. They do have their own events and are much less
into compulsory organization than we are. There are half-a-dozen or
so Tuchux clans, each with a clan leader. Wolf "died" many years ago
and the 'chux figure out who their new top leader is by some system
I'm not aware of...

Hope this sheds some light on the subject, folks -- Bertram
Bertram of Bearington Dave Schroeder
Debatable Lands/AEthelmearc/East Carnegie Mellon University
INTERNET: ds4p@andrew.cmu.edu 412/731-3230 (Home)

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From: nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Tournament Societies
Organization: University of Toronto - Contractor
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1993 21:45:41 GMT

In article <3309131504071993/A00789/POSSE/117723B32300*@mrgate.uwyo.edu> D.
Frazier ----- (NAME \) writes:

>I don't really want to clutter up the net, while so many intresting
>things are being dicussed. But could someone put me on the right track
>about SCA Fighting\Tournament Societies? I've read the T.I. info and have
>heard both good and bad on the subject. Please e-mail me at :

The 1st quarter 1993 issue of _Chronique_ has a splendid article on
a tourneying society in California which exists mostly within the SCA.

Chronique can be had from:

Ms. Ann-Marie Storz
1134 Tamalpais Place
Hayward, CA
USA 94542
(510) 888-1405

Australians should contact:

Mr. Richard Lesee
POB 436
South Australia, 5007

Information on the Company of St. George can be had from Mr. Brian R.
Price at the first address.

Aryk Nusbacher

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Arval d'Espas Nord)
Subject: Re: Tournament Societies
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 19:16:56 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research

Greetings from Arval, Balance King of Arms!

Galen wrote:

> But could someone put me on the right track about SCA Fighting\Tournament
> Societies? I've read the T.I. info and have heard both good and bad on
> the subject.

I am happy to provide information on the Company of S. Michael of the
Balance, a tournament society in the East. Later this week I'll be posting
an announcement of our passage of arms, to be held at Pennsic.
Arval Balance mittle@watson.ibm.com

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: steffan@world.std.com (Steven H Mesnick)
Subject: Tuchux
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 04:35:01 GMT

I would urge the Lady who complained about Tuchux not to condemn an entire
group for the actions of a few jerks. There are a lot of misconceptions
about these folks, and a couple of years ago I had an opportunity to get my
consciousness raised about them.
I was attending the royalty and the Princesess of the East and the Queen of
the Middle accepted an invitation to Tuchux Camp at Midnight. We went in
procession, and were met graciously by Sparrowhawk and his council of clan
leaders, who gave a presentation on the history and culture of the Tuchux.
These folk noble a Renaissance Italian if they're so inclined.
We may not like their group persona, but they hold it better than we do.
They are also (surprise!) not a bunch of bikers, but rather, generally
yuppies -- one of their clan leaders is a concert pianist. They have laws,
and lore, and culture. It's just not *ours*.
They don't believe in our concept of Chivalry -- they speak their minds,
and don't hold anything back. As Chivalry is our escape from the Mundane,
so straightforward-ness is theirs, I suppose.
Also, like us, their leaders and founders are noble and honest folk, but,
like us, there are members of their club who Just Don't Get It. I'm sure
that their leaders, if made aware of the behavior previously described,
would be quite upset and would sternly punish the offender.
Also, *PLEASE* keep in mind that not everyone in leather and fur is a
Tuchux. There are an awful lot of Tuchux wannabes out there. A *real*
Tuchux can be distinguished by a tattoo (temp or permanent)
of what might be called mascle ploye conjoined to an increscent and decrescent..
Also, the warriors wear facial "scars" of differnt colored paint.

I am decidedly *NOT* a Tuchux and do not speak officially for them. I
just believe in fairness.


From: nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Borough of Southwark Trayned Bandes (was Re: Just Wondering....
Date: 2 Sep 1993 18:11:23 -0400
Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto

This is in response to Hope Greenberg's question about groups which go
to Pennsic.

A complete description of the Bandes (posted earlier this summer) can
be had on request from Jeffrey.L.Singman@um.cc.umich.edu. Questions
about material in this post, however, should be addressed to me.

The Borough of Southwark Trayned Bandes is a group of people
interested in re-creating lower- and middle-class culture of London
between about 1580 and 1650. The Bandes annual muster is at Pennsic
War, where the range of re-creation is 1588-1600 or thereabouts.
Members of the Bandes attend re-enactments and re-creations sponsored
by other groups, at which the Bandes join in whichever period is being

The framework of the group is a unit of Trayned Bandes infantry, one
of the groups of citizen-soldiers maintained in Elizabethan and
Jacobean England for defence of the realm. The unit is based in
Southwark, an insalubrious district of London known as the home of
bawdy houses, cockfights, bear-baiting, fencing salles, and, worst of
all, actors; but also an industrial district home to glaziers, brewers
and tanners among other tradesmen.

For its own purposes, the Bandes maintain a flexible authenticity
scale from "preferred" through "acceptable" to "unacceptable". The
goal is to have a persona and kit which are thoroughly consistent with
the time and place being re-created.

The Bandes has no restrictions on rank or social class, so long as it
can plausibly be represented. If you want to be the Earl of Essex,
and you can afford the clothes, equipment, servants, etc., and you
don't mind the fact that there won't be anybody of appropriate social
class for you to talk to, then you can go wild. In practice, however,
nobody is higher in rank than a prosperous merchant or middle-level
civil servant.

Female personas are expected to stick with appropriate clothing and
activities, but there is no requirement for women participants to have
female personas.

A member of the Bandes has a property near Ethel, Ontario, where the
construction of an English village is ongoing. There are small-scale
re-creations held there about twice a year, generally concentrating on
the 1640's.

The main business of the Bandes at Pennsic is maintaining an authentic
camp, intended to represent a muster of the Trayned Bandes at a
festive event such as the Accession Day Tilts; drilling with pike and
musket; demonstrating and teaching rapier fighting; and holding an
Elizabethan open-house evening.

Most of the members of the Bandes are members of other re-creation and
re-enactment groups, including many who are members of the SCA.

The Bandes' Elizabethan Handbook, intended to allow anybody to set up
an Elizabethan re-creation as an individual or a group, is sold at
Pennsic, and is available from Jef Singman at the above address.

Aryk Nusbacher

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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Arval d'Espas Nord)
Subject: Re: SCA spinoff groups
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 18:40:10 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research

In article <40.23910.1580.0NE191B5@channel1.com>, bettina.helms@channel1.com
(Bettina Helms) writes:
> MI>In the past few years, the MSR and the local SCA have moved closer
> MI>together; probably more than half the MSR's membership is crossover
> MI>population.
> ??? When the MSR started out, the crossover ratio was close to 100%. ALL
> the key founding members were disaffected SCAdians.

That's true, but for the past 12 years or so, they have been a separate
organization, doing their own recruiting, running their own events, and
operating completely independently. They have always had some crossover
membership, but my impression is that it dropped off for the first four or
five years, grew slowly for some years, and recently jumped significantly.
Currently, they have about as much interaction with Ostgardr as any pair of
large neighboring branches might expect.

Arval d'Espas Nord mittle@watson.ibm.com

From: lecuyer@wam.umd.edu (CLIS library)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: hazardous complaints
Date: 28 Sep 1993 22:22:42 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1993Sep21.185341.871@lds.loral.com>,
Ed Kreyling 6966 <kreyling@lds.loral.com> wrote:
>So are you in Markland? Tell me about it. I have heard about the MMM for
>years and never met anyone who was in it. I did meet the King and Queen of
>ACER(spelling may be off as I never saw it written down.). That was

First off a snippy comment - it's 4 M's - Markland Medieval
*Mercenary* Militia - I am making the assumption that you are
leaving off the Merc. part as many Scadians (!) do. Of course
they may forget the Militia part too, I'm not sure.

Markland started 20+ years ago at the University of Maryland
(currently in the heart of Storvik, but not at that time).
Six members of the fencing club either 1) saw a movie,
2)heard a song, or 3) heard about the recreation of the
Battle of Hastings in England and they were a bit drunk and
said "Let's do that!". So they had the first Battle of Hastings
at U of MD. As I've heard it there were 6 people on each side,
they had pop-top chainmail, trash can lid shields, and
wooden swords.

Anyway...it grew from there.

Similarities with SCA - interest in medieval stuff
real fighting with fake weapons
(what we call fratrecidal combat)

Differences - More padding on the weapon and less on the person
we stab in the back
Recreational combat - fake fighting with real weapons
Confederation rather than corporation organizationally
(although we have non-profit corp.status)
each group in Markland in autonomous
they send 2 reps to periodic "Council"
meetings, but most day to day stuff
is taken care of by the Witan - 4 officers
elected by the Fyrd (members) - Alderman
- Shire Reeve
- Baliff
- Scribe (?)
Although *anyone* can show up to a Council
meeting most of the Fyrd show up for the
2 main meetings or Althyngs, one in winter
one in summer.
In Markland *everyone* is considered a member
of the common classes unless you get a title
the old fashion way - you gotta BUY it! ($25.00) ;-)

Some people believe that Markland puts more emphasis on authenticity
and recreation than SCA does. While this is true for certain groups
or events, we still have our share of polyester zipper queens
elves and vampires. The frat boys make carpet armor and helmets
out of freon cans (although they may have made them illegal
recently. I confess I pay little attention to frat fighting
these days.)

We *do* have suggested standards. We came up with a code for
events that indicate what level of authenticity must be met
to participate in the even: "Authentic" - must be top of the line
garb and kit, very few events are in this class (Hastings,Military
Through the Ages, and maybe some of the other rec. battles)
Rule of thumb for "authentic" - must look proper from 5ft.
"Show" - must look good from 10ft, this is where most events
fall - demos, parades, Hastings Fair (i.e. people not participating
in the battle). "None" - you can come in mundanes, but some
attempt at period clothing would be nice. Feasts, frat wars,
workshops, Althyngs fall into this category. Yes, people do
sometimes come in mundane clothing to a feast - especially
if they are new, working the feast, or can only stay a short
period of time. It's no biggie, the feasts are our party
after a day of demos or such, it's our reward to ourselves.

This is my POV of Markaland. I've probably left some stuff out.
The definition of the standards for garb is from memory, if
anyone is vitally interested I can look up the actual
descriptions. And questions, comments, flames, funny stories
etc. welcome.

Gif Auja!
Kara Manasdottir/Catherine LeCuyer

From: jab2@stl.stc.co.uk (Jennifer Ann Bray)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: blunt steel weapons
Date: 25 Nov 93 09:34:45
Organization: STC Technology Ltd., London Road, Harlow, UK.

I don't know how trining was done in the tenth century which is the
period I reenact, but I would guess that our blunt weapon fights
aren't really very close to the original training exercises. We place
an awful lot of emphasis on pulling blows and controlling the weapon.
Basically the idea is to learn how not to injure, whereas the original
idea would be to learn how to injure.

I gather that in the tournamant style fought later on with blunted
swords serious injuries were not uncommon

One thing that all our styles of recreation will always be lacking is
sufficient quantities of blood, guts bruises and broken bones (Well I
hope they're going to be lacking anyway :-)

Vanaheim vikings

From: jab2@stl.stc.co.uk (Jennifer Ann Bray)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: blunt steel weapons
Date: 26 Nov 93 10:39:51
Organization: STC Technology Ltd., London Road, Harlow, UK.

As far as the weight of our weapons goes, I was told by a museum
curator that they were heavier than genuine viking blades. This is
because we have extra metal where theirs were sharpened and ours
arent, and because we use oversized pommels to shift the balance point
back towards the hand, this makes the blade easier to control despite
the extra mass involved.

What's the significance of the "live" bit of "live steel", I always
assumed it meant sharp? does it? if so then I suppose we are fighting
with "dead" steel?

Vanaheim Vikings

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: sj6070f90@auvax1.adelphi.edu
Subject: Re: Kingdom of Acre
Organization: Adelphi University, Garden City, NY
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 02:55:13 GMT

Greetings, Azelin! For your information, you may contact the Kingdom of Acre by
Bob Fox
(718) 848- 3364. That is in the New York City area, USA.
Hope this helps, if I can be of further service, let me know.
Lady Morwynna Cryw
Stuibhart Martainn MacDhomnauill

From: cwilkey@u.washington.edu (Cliff Wilkey)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Other Medieval/Renaissance Groups?
Date: 2 Feb 1994 22:25:47 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

>>>Kvedjur fra Mikjal!
>>>Just to give folks a few more options to consider, could someone post
>>>the contact addresses for MSR (Acre), Markland, MEAD, and any other
>>>medieval and/or Renaissance re-creation/re-enactment groups, both in
>>>the US and other countries? Thanks.

For those in the Western Washington state area, there is the Society of
Avalon. (NOTE: This SoA is not afflilated with any other goups of the
same name that might be around.) As it says in the newsletter, "The
Society of Avalvon is a medieval social organization dedicated to the
ideals and embodiment of Arthurian Legend."

For those interested, you can contact: The Society of Avalon, 105 E.
Harrison St, Tacoma WA 98404.


If you have any questions about this group, feel free to drop me some email.

Cliff Wilkey
aka. Garrett Ambroius - Society of Avalon

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: Bill Hubbard <b.hubbard@aston.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Other Medieval/Renaissance Groups?
Organization: Information Systems, Aston University
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 16:21:55 GMT

In article <2iqfnv$lab@hpscit.sc.hp.com> mabr@sweden.hp.com (Morgan "the
Dreamer" Broman) wrote:
>Does anyone on this net have any information concerning a group called
>"The Arthurian Society" ?
>Need info badly.... ;)

I am not sure if my information will help you, as I imagine that the name
Arthurian Society has been used by quite a few groups and probably more
recently than we have. But as I don?t know in what connection you have
come across the name, it is possible you mean us.

We used to be ?The Arthurian Society?, based in the Midlands (of England)
in the seventies to mid- eighties, before we changed our name. We were a
re-enactment group who did displays and our own events based on the
?historical? Arthur of the late 5th/early 6th century AD. We had
registered the title with various bodies, did shows, TV, radio and
magazine stuff so our name may still be floating around from then.
Another possibility is through one of our sub-groups, Newcastle
University Arthurian Society, who were quite active in mixed-society
activities and shows in Britain in the mid-eighties, fighting as ?the
Ravens?. (I believe there is another unconnected group also called ?The
Ravens? in Essex).

As we improved the authenticity of the kit, we realised that the evidence
for a real ?Arthur? was the least supportable part of the re-enactment,
and so dropped the name. We now do our own events and bits of
experimental archaeology and generally have fun as post-Roman Britons and
migrant Anglo-Saxons.

Apart from ourselves I know there was ?The International Arthurian
Society? which was a literary group dedicated to Arthurian matters.
There was also ?The Pendragon Society? based in the West Country (of
Britain - around Glastonbury) which dealt with the Arthurian legend and

We heard from time to time of other groups using ?Arthurian? in their
titles, but we were never able to track them down: they may have been shy
or short-lived or maybe we didn?t look in the right places.

I don?t know why you need to get in touch with them, but email me if you
think I could help out.

Bill Hubbard

From: jwinterm@uoguelph.ca (Jason Wintermute)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Other Medieval/Renaissance Groups?
Date: 6 Feb 1994 06:25:02 GMT
Organization: University of Guelph

There's one called the Essex Medieval Heritage Society. It's made up
mostly by SCA members in the Windsor, Canada area. That's Starleaf Gate
and maybe Hawk's Point. I think it was created to deal with the non-profit
situation here in Canada. You'd have to ask someone from there. I only
assume it still exists. I haven't heard about it in a while.

mka Jason Wintermute

From: Jester.Of.Anglesea@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Jester Of Anglesea)
Date: 10 Mar 94 17:17:00 -0500
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Markland swords
Organization: Fidonet:TIDMADT 703-765-0822 (1:109/120)

e> Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
> From: ejcampbe@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC JON CAMPBELL)
> Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

e> Kind Gentles from a marklander friend up north I have heard
> that their battles are witha heavy type of boffer sword
> solid core sometimes

Okay, just so we're clear on the subject. Markland and SCA armor
standards are about 80% compatible (rough guess). Markland weapons
are required to have a layer of padding. The core (which is required
for just about every weapon but the flail) is generally rattan. We
use combat archery (think of them as pennsic-scouts with bows) and
have weapons designed for throwing (generally coreless but with a
substantial weight). We strike from behind (full force not allowed)
and allow considerably more leeway in physical contact. <War story
alert! War story alert!> (I once saw a Marklander, Thorac ap Kerrigan,
drop a spearman with a punch to the helm. He kept him on the ground
by punching him [wearing hockey gloves] whenever he managed to get to
his knees.) Our re-creation 'period' is much smaller and focuses on
Northern Europe. Have I left anything out?

Jester of Anglesea

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From: gunwaldt@astro.dasd.honeywell.com
Subject: Markland Fighting Rules
Organization: Honeywell Inc. DASD
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 23:24:57 GMT

The following was sent as a request for Markland fighting rules.
I was asked to post it to the Rialto for those interested.


Subject: RE: Marklandic Rules

<personal stuff deleted>

Combat: We allow hitting from behind, you must strike your opponent
only hard enough to feel and yell "You're dead". We also allow kicking,
grappling, punching and striking an unarmed opponent, in short just about
anything that won't injure the other fighter. We are, after all, trying
to *kill* our opponents in a war situation.

Armour: Our heavy fighters are not signifigantly different depending
upon which Kingdom you're in, most SCA fighters would pass Markland
heavy requirements. The big difference here is that we allow NO plastic
armour, NO aluminum for armour or shields, and I guess you could say no
carpeting too. We have 2 other classes of fighters as well, lights and
ultra-lights. Lights can go out on the field with the following, helmet,
gloves and clothes. They die when TOUCHED by a heavy who may not bash
them. They are allowed to use a shield that must have the word *LIGHT*
on it, and the helmet must have yellow tape front-to-back, side-to-side,
and around the brow for easy I.D.ing.Ultra-lights are only allowed to
use ranged weapons i.e. bows, javelins and the like and are allowed to
wear 3 weapons masks marked as lights are.
( To back up a bit, SCA armour requirements are more protective than ours
for heavies, we allow pads where you all require hard protection.)

Weapons: As follows for each:

Spears: Any continous length of rattan only. Must have a thrusting
cap of foam,preferably Armaflex or equivalent, constructed thusly; the
haft must be covered in 1/2" foam extending at least 14" below the head.
The thrusting tip must be 2" long and 2" wide of foam. These apply any
weapon with a thrusting tip and so I'll not repeat it.

Pole Weapons: Must have at least 3/4" foam along the entire blade
edge. They must have a thrusting tip. The cutting edge must be clearly
marked with contrasting tape if necessary. the haft must be padded 12"
down from the head. Max length is 78".

Great Swords: See Pole Weapons.

Swords: Must have at least 1/2" foam along the entire blade edge,
have a thrusting tip,and contrasting tape. Max length is 36".

Throwing Weapons: No metal ( this goes for ALL weapons). Must have
3 bands of red tape to designate as such. Javelins shafts must be between
1/2" and 3/4" thick. They must have thrusting tips on both ends. Any
other type of throwing weapons should generally be padded with at least
3/4" foam and be between 12" and 18" in length, these include throwing
axes etc.

Arrers: Rather complicated and so I won't go into it. Anteorra and
soon the East use Markland rules and have been posted to the Rialto and
as such are available. Bows are 30 lb. limit and we use fish scales to
check them out.No pulleys or modern sights allowed.

Peasant Flails: Are allowed and I'm particularly nasty with one
being the first to actually get one to work without it falling apart!
Max length is 78". Max cord length is 10". The head must be free of a
solid core, rope and the like are O.K. Impact head max length is 30"
and the haft must be padded 1/4 of the length.( Lots o' fun )

Morning Stars: Max length is 36". May not be counter-weighted.
Must have at least 3/4" of foam on the head, no solid core here either.
Max cord length is 12". Haft must be padded 12" below the head.

Weapons in general must be constructed out of at least 1-1/2" thick
rattan as our occularium limit is 1-1/2". Counter-weights must be marked
with international orange to be OBVIOUS.

These are obviously not the complete rules so any questions arising
can be directed to me at Kelly.Coco@MVS.UDEL.EDU

<second letter>

In my haste toget the info out to you I neglected to mention that our
rules state that armour counts for what it is in terms of protection. This
is quite different from the SCA where if I'm not mistaken everyone is
assumed to be wearing the same type of armour regardless of the reality. So
a fighter wearing the minimum padding to be out on the field will fall to
most blows that reach him while a human tank in full Milanese plate will
quite likely require several hard blows to take out. This does lead to some
confusion on the field but generally it works out O.K.

I also neglected to mention that our target areas are similar but not the
same. We allow the hands to be targeted tho' to be honest we try to avoid it
and many are opposed to it. The crotch and the knees and below are off
limits tho' if you are hit there by a missle weapon the shot counts.
Consequently our peltasts and archers will favor those areas so as to immo-
bilize an opponent, quite dastardly don't you think? Lots o' fun tho'.

Thank you, Steiner, for sending these rules.

From: charlesn@sunrise.srl.rmit.EDU.AU (charles nevile)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Weapons and Shields
Date: 29 Mar 1994 07:36:35 GMT
Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Australia.

Michael Chance (mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: Daniel deBlare writes:
: >inch leather belt-blank down the front of it and it ways only 2 1/2 pounds.

: While perhaps lighter than the "typical" SCA broadsword/longsword,
: this weight puts it solidly in the normal range for an actual medieval
: weapon of the type.

: Mikjal Annarbjorn

In the New Varangian Guard, (an Austalian Group) We tend to use a MAXIMUM
sword weight of about 1.35 kg (~3 lb) for steel swords. We Do ALWAYS pull blows,
but what the rules actually say is something like:

Blows shall be hard enough to distinguish them from a "lucky" glance, but no
harder. Specifically they shall not be hard enough to cause injury.

(The NVG is a metal weapons group)
Our shield laws permit almost anything that is reasonably authentic (although
nearly all our sheilds have steel rims for durability...), and the minimum
armour requirement is helmet, gambeson/mail covering hips and shoulders, mail
gauntlets, and rigid groin/breaast protection (as applicable) worn underneath.
(I.e. a cricket box ...)


From: nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Live-Steel
Date: 2 Apr 1994 16:20:31 GMT
Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto

In article <2nhv30$1vp@starfish.acs.brockport.edu>
KV8986@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu writes:

>---> I am looking for any information on the group called the Marcher
>Lords or the sealed knot.

The Sealed Knot: The Society of Cavaliers and Roundheads has its
registered office at:

65 Westhall Road
Warlingham, Surrey
England CR3 9YE

I have no idea whether Gill Walker is still Muster-Master General;
but you might address correspondence to her.

Aryk Nusbacher

From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Blackpowder, you must be kidding
Date: 9 Jun 1994 23:26:15 GMT
Organization: Department of Chemistry

In article <940609092930.2c9@eivax.ualr.edu>, WILLIS@eivax.ualr.EDU wrote:
> Personally, I am extremely scaried of facing anyone using any kind of
> blackpowder device as a part of combat. The thought is ludicrous. Now as
> an A&S entry, that is another idea.

Yes, well, when I include anything with black powder in an SCA or
recreation event, it is never used to aim AT somebody... In fact, I
seldom do more than shoot blanks or tennis balls down range away from
everybody. The only time I shoot live ammo is during strictly controlled
target practice at sites with safe backdrops (in a quarry, for example). I
do not shoot live ammo at events.

However, I got my black powder training in The Sealed Knot, an English
Civil War (1640-1649) recreation group. These people are amazing... we
make such a big thing about Pennisic, as well we should since it is the
biggest SCA event each year. But the Sealed Knot has major musters with
over 10,000 fighters almost every month from spring to fall (and twice some
months). During a major muster these 10,000 people take field, and 2/3
wave pikes at each other, and almost 1/3 shoot guns more or less at each
other, and a small handful shoot cannons or ride horses around... Minor
musters take place almost every weekend, and draw "only" 500 to 2000
people. I guess the greater density of the UK allows this sort of draw.
It was "easy" for me to pack up my estate car (station wagon) and starting
from Oxford I could drive to almost any part of England (not Scotland or
Wales) within 12 hours. I suspect that 12 hours driving time from Tucson
covers less than 10% of the USA.

Surprisingly, very few people get seriously hurt... I've seldom heard of
more than a few broken thumbs, cracked ribs and occasionally a broken major
bone or two from a major muster *grin*. And dehydration isn't a problem
in England, even in the summer... keeping one's powder dry IS a problem.

But I personally don't suggest that for the SCA... I think black powder
tends to ruin whatever romance of chivalry we are striving towards. Even
though I am a later period character, and spend most of my time doing 16'th
C woodwork, and own 15'th and 16'th C cannons and harquebues, I still
would support a limitation of 800 - 1300 for the Society. I would give up
my own persona for what I percieve the greater good of the Society.

On the other hand, since Provine and the BOD are seemingly doing everything
they can to destroy the Society, I guess this doesn't really matter.

From: mittle@panix.com (Arval d'Espas Nord)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,alt.history.living,soc.history.living
Subject: Re: Jousting info wanted
Date: 7 Oct 1994 14:09:40 -0400
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC

Greetings from Arval!

Medieval Studies and Re-creations, a NYC based SCA-like group, does
jousting. I don't know the details. If anyone wants to get in contact
with them, I can help.
Arval d'Espas Nord mittle@panix.com

From: azrael@access1.digex.net (Razmus)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Craft Group repost
Date: 28 Oct 1994 08:21:43 -0400
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA

I don't have any affiliation: but since it wasn't crossposted here
(as far as I can tell), and I figure someone might be interested --
Here goes... (BTW: flames regarding this crosspost will be redirected
to /dev/null. Please include the string "FLAME" in the header so my
mailer program will know what to do with it. :-)) If anyone can
update me on the geneology of this group -- are they an SCA splinter?
Parallel group?

>From: akasha <akasha@universe.digex.net>
>Subject: Medievalism and the Crafts Today
>Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 18:24:14 -0400

The Adrian Empire is a 10 year old, non-profit,
educational medieval recreation group. Within the
years of 1100 to 1550, its members recreate the
arts, combat and ministerial/ambassadorial
functions of the middle ages.

Unlike many historical organizations, there are
three types of Knighthoods our members may work
towards, as in the actual medieval world:
combatant knighthoods, ministerial knighthoods and
arts/sciences knighthoods.

Our arts and sciences encompass anything and
everything that a member can document as having
existed during the time period we play in. Some
choose to try something different at each
competition, others focus in one specific area.
Whether garb or food, pottery or potions, siege
engines or alchemy, our arts tournaments welcome
all projects.

Advancement in the arts and sciences is determined
by tournaments won and "masterworks" achieved.
Masterwork is our designation of an entry that is
of perfect quality. As in the other branches of
Knighthood in Adria, artisans work toward specific
goals and criteria to earn their Knighthood.

For more information about the Adrian Empire, we
hope you will join us at our upcoming
demo November 12th in New York City. Write or call
for demos in other areas.

Or contact throught email:
Sire Medea de CourNoir at

Or relay a carrier pigeon to:
Eastern Regions
Mark and Karen Smith
31-25 14th St.
Astoria, NY 11106

Western Regions
c/o U.S. Financial Corp.
5336 N. 19th Ave.
Phoenix AZ 85015
Rich E. Weissler azrael@access.digex.net

From: lisa@access5.digex.net (Lisa Losito)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Founding of Markland?
Date: 7 Sep 1995 13:32:08 -0400
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA

In article <42l83i$icp@crl9.crl.com>,
Michael A. Chance <mchance@crl.com> wrote:
>A friend recently asked about the founding of Markland in relation to
>the SCA, primarily, which came first? Could one of the Marklanders
>visiting the Rialto give a bit of the founding and early history of
>Mikjal Annarbjorn

Long, long, ago - before the Black Ships came, in the Golden Spires of
Ancient Markland...

I'm hazy on the actual year - It was either 1968 or 1969 -
I was not a member then. As for the "which came first" question,
Markland began at the University of Maryland at College Park, as the
Maryland Medieval Mercenary Militia, separated from the SCA by an
entire continent. By most accounts the two organizations did not
even hear of each other for many years, until the SCA spread eastward.

When that occured there were negotiations, treaties
(being pre-Atlantia, with the East Kingdom most likely) and recruiting
attempts on both sides. Markland is organized somewhat
differently than the SCA, but many of our members are dues
paid in both, and many folk who participate at both SCA and Markland
events are not dues paid in either, which adds to the confusion.
Markland is basically a system of confederated chapters based on
interest area or geography, plus a number of unaffiliated members,
with a witan of elected leaders, a council of group representatives,
and meetings of voting members at the Althyngs, (and a non profit, tax exempt,
educational organization incorporated in Maryland corporation
etc. etc.)

We have often had cross-pollination between the two groups, in fact in
the Pennsic annual, when photos are printed of previous years, we've
seen Markland members pictured in single-digit Pennsic years. I can
safely say that the groups are separate enough in founding that many
Markland members find the term "splinter group" inaccurate.

For the legendary part of it, the founders were four people, Atli,
Barchan, CeCe, and Ragnar. It grew out of the Fencing club at
the University, and a Halloween party. One of the first events was a
reenactment of the Battle of Hastings. This traditional event has
lasted, and Markland often re-creates Saxon, Norman and Viking culture
among other areas and time periods.

There are tons of early legends that could be related, some amusing,
some scandalous, such as the renowned and elusive leader Thorgood the Nude,
but those are for another time or venue, and would best come from someone
with a more bardic sensibility (or wait until I refresh my historical

I'm sure there are plenty of other Marklanders about that can add to
or correct anything I've said.

Aeldra DeGodervya
Lisa M. Losito "Dilute, Dilute, Dilute. OK!"
lisa@digex.net -- Dr. Bronner

From: ansteorra@eden.com (4/1/95)
FW: Re: Amtgard Info
Here are the homepage address for Amtgard for those of you who were asking.

---------------Original Message---------------
Any other areas?

Well let's consult the book of tedious information:
Ah! Here we go: Net, Amtgard on the

Home pages (WWW server, must have access to Mosaic or Netscape or
other Web Browser)

Kalxen's (The "Official" Amtgard Home Page)

Grei's (The "other" page :)

*Note: WWW addresses MUST be typed in exactly (caps and lowercase
----------End of Original Message----------
Sir Ches Lady Chiara
Austin, Tx. Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Duchy of Tirana

From: Daisy Brown <roc@halcyon.com>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Alternative Medieval Organization
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:57:10 -0800
Organization: Realm of Chivalry

Are you looking for more to do? Do you live in Washington State? Is every
day a good day for fighter practice? We are The Realm of Chivalry, an
alternative medieval organization primarily located in Western Washinton.
Please consider this a formal invitation to join us at a Realm event to see
what we are all about.

Also, the Realm web page has moved and is now located at:


Many new and wonderous things have been added since the move, with weekly
updates and additions.

If you wrote to us in November or early December when our web page was first
posted, our sincerest apologize if your missive was unanswered. Our site has
moved and we believe this problem has been remedied. Unfortunately, the
message were lost during the move. Please submit your questions or inquiries
again and I promise to return a personal response back to you within 24

Daisy Brown
aka Lady Ailios NicMhuirich
Chronicler, Kingdom of Treloria

From: eherring@mindspring.com (Evan L. Herring)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Reenactment in Switzerland
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:42:21 -0400

Folini Christian <christian.folini@unifr.ch> writes:
>I would be very pleased to hear that there are some people in
>Switzerland doing reenacment.
>They say there is no branch of the SCA around, but maybe, they just did
>not know...
>Christian Folini

The Company of Saynte George, which Gerry Embleton featured in his book _The
Medieval Soldier_, is a fifteenth century reenactment group based in
Switzerland. It is known for a very high standard of authenticity and centers
its main thrust, so I gather, around the fifteenth century wars between the
Swiss Cantons and Charles the Rash, Duke of Burgundy. Embleton, according to
the author info in the book, lives in Yverdon. How accessable he is I don't

Lord Martin Dragonet
Historian, Barony of the South Downs, Meridies

From: shand@ssg.com.au (Steve Hand)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Reenactment in Switzerland
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 13:43:41 +1000
Organization: Strategic Studies Group

Folini Christian <christian.folini@unifr.ch> wrote:
>I would be very pleased to hear that there are some people in
>Switzerland doing reenacment.
>They say there is no branch of the SCA around, but maybe, they just did
>not know...
>Christian Folini

If you're looking for late medieval re-enactment then contact

The Company of Saynte George
c/o Time Machine
1425 Onnens

If you want the SCA I'm afraid I can't help you.

Steve Hand
Editor In Chief, Run 5 Magazine
Strategic Studies Group

From: sableslug@adstone.com (Justinian the Sluggard)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Landsknecht!
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:06:16 GMT

Der Gesellschaften Sonnen Von Kreig

We are currently seeking recruits interested in joining our ranks
either as an individual or as already organized regiments. We are a
group of medieval hobbyists who specialize in German - Swiss
Landsknecht re-enactment (circa. 1400 - 1575). We are SCA (society
for creative anachronism) based but also work independently as Lite-
Re-enactors for schools, museums, or public demo's and faire's. Our
areas of specialty, depending on regiment, focus on; Camp and Van
life, Pike and Halberd units, Artillery and Hand Cannon units and
Armor collectors as well as numerous other areas of research of the
time period. We are accepting either full-time or part-time troops,
as we are NON-AFFILIATED group. Our enlistment is open to all . We
don't care what house-hold, shire, barony or kingdom you hail from.
We strive for non-allegiance. We only recognize our own rank
structure and paying contracts. After all Landsknecht were well
organized mercenary armies. Please contact us for more information.

Organizing Oberst Willem Morguhn Von Konstance at SVK@juno.com
Gesellschaft Profoss Derek Hollehaar (Called Fairhair ) at (717) 645
- 8661
Webel Justinian Der Sluggard at sableslug@adstone.com

Thank you for your interest, Willem.

Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:37:58 -0600
From: Maddie Teller-Kook <meadhbh@io.com>
Subject: Re: SC - Medieval cookery in Britain

Daniel Serra wrote:
> I have never been a member of the SCA, but now as my interest in medieval
> and earlier cookery has grown I wonder if there might be at least a
> possability to find groups that practice medieval cookery here in the
> south of England -Reading, Berkshire , UK.

You might want to check this website. There are a number of 're
enactment' groups throughout England. One of these groups may do some
cooking for their time period. Good luck!

the web address is: http://www.ftech.net/~regia/regblurb.htm


Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:39:30 +0200
From: Brokk <H940114@stud.kol.su.se>
Subject: SV: SC - Just some greetings from Angus MacIomhair, formerly know n as
brok k.

> Hi Angus, and welcome. How are things in Nordmark? Where is Holmrike?
> I've only been to Stockholm once, years ago, for an investiture. It
> was terrific.
> Allison

[Brokk] Thank you =)
Holmrike is the Stockholm part of Nordmark (i think, or rather know,
but i don't know the exact geographical extent of it though),
but i must confess that i'm not a true SCA member *gasp*.

I've instead joined another group called Nordrike.
A few years go there was a small schism in Nordmark so some members left and
started Nordrike. We have the same goals/interests as SCA when it comes to
recreating the Middle Ages or 7-17th century. The reason for the split came up
when the kingdom of Nordmark should form and make up it's own laws.

There was (i've been told, this was 3 or 4 years before i became member) quite a
few problems to solve and some lousy diplomacy from both parts. Finally many
grew tired of the seemingly endless argueing back and forth and started
Nordrike. Nowadays it has all blown over though and I have quite a few friends
in the SCA and vice versa.

The biggest difference that springs to mind is that in Nordrike the
king and queen is appointed in democratic elections, not from their
combat proficiency, which, speaking as an cooking alchemist slash
bowman I think is quite good since anyone interested can have a
chance at royalty.


Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:19:59 -0700
From: "J. Kriss White" <jkrissw@earthling.net>
To: sca-arts@raven.cc.ukans.edu (SCA-Arts mailing list),
sca-caid@rogues.net (Caidan mailing list),
Subject: Society for Creative Antiquities, anyone?

I just received this from someone on AOL, undoubtedly a result of having
"SCA" in my profile over there. Just passing this on to a few lists where
somebody might be interested....

>From: CeltSarah@aol.com
>Full-name: CeltSarah
>Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:13:42 EDT
>Subject: sca
>To: JkrissW@aol.com
>Hi i found you doing a search for people who might be interested in this new
>reenactment group. No this isnt some business trying to get money or
>anything, its a club im in is all. Let me know if your interested we have
>chapters starting all over and Im realy trying to help our Empire grow more (
>big events are just SOOO cool, imagine a rennaisance fest but not commercial
>and full of Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Phgonecians... :-) Theres a web site
>at the end that explains it all.
>The IMPERIUM is an Ancient re-enactment society. We portray Ancient Society,
>the Romans, the Egyptians, Dorians, Thracians, Spartans, Persians and others
>come together here. We participate in Feasting, Dance, The arts and even
>Martial Combat of ancient times.

> There are several ways we do this:
>First of all we portray a society of people who COULD have existed. We create
>events that could have happened but we do not re-create the actual outcomes (
>after all, who would want to be on the side everyone KNOWS is going to loose.)
>Our structure is based on Rome and Greece even though ALL ancient societies
>are welcome. We HAVE to have a structure to make this society work and
>everyone respects that structure regardless of a person's title or personae (
>even the free lovin Celts show respect to the City Coordinator or PREFECT
>even tho Prefect is a Roman title.). Our promotion system is based on a
>point system and so everyone has an equal chance of becoming a member of the
>Ordo Equestor ( Knighthood) or even King or Queen.
>COMBAT in the Imperium is full contact, unchoreographed, armored fighting.
> The Imperium recognizes two kinds of combat. All fighters must be approved
>before participating. This is NOT boffer fighting.
>HOW TO JOIN: Feel free to contact us or show up at a practice, try it out,
>there is usualy loaner gear if youd like to fight, If youd like to
>participate at anything more then a practice all we ask is that you make an
>attempt at Garb ( costume).
>or <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/agamedes/">Antiquitus</A>

Lord Daveed of Granada, mka J. Kriss White,
Barony of Calafia, Kingdom of Caid

Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:46:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav@yahoo.com>
Subject: SC - Institute of Historical Interpretation

This may be of interest to some.

> Institute of Historical Interpretation
> Following a workshop in Oxford last November, the Institute of Historical
> Interpretation has been set up to facilitate co-operation and mutual
> understanding between live interpretation groups, historians,
> archaeologists, the heritage industry, and educationalists, in order to
> exchange information and improve the quality of public presentations. The
> IHI was conceived by a small group consisting of live interpreters from
> re-enactment societies and living history groups, historians and heritage
> professionals.
> Re-enacters are thought to re-enact only for themselves with the groups
> being mainly concerned with the enjoyment of their members. However
> re-enacters see themselves as educators, entertainers and researchers, and
> many are concerned with the quality and content of the displays and the lack
> of communication with interested parties. Re-enactment and live
> interpretation are powerful communication tools, with the capacity to change
> people's perceptions on history or to perpetuate myth.

> The Institute is a forum in which academic historians, archaeologists and
> heritage professionals, can exchange views with re-enactors and live
> interpreters. It should allow the opportunity for heritage professionals
> and historians to influence the type and content of historical live
> interpretation currently being presented to the public. It gives live
> interpreters access to current historical thinking, and an informal medium
> in which to discuss future requirements with potential sponsors.
> Archaeologists have a forum to discuss experimental archaeology with living
> history participants.
> Academic historians, archaeologists, heritage professionals, educators,
> re-enactors and live interpreters are all being invited to become involved.
> Anyone with an interest in heritage, public history, academic history,
> living history, experimental archaeology and re-enactment is encouraged to
> attend the inaugural meeting, to include their ideas and opinions about the
> future of live interpretation at historic sites.
> The Institute hopes to encourage standards in presentation and display.
> Sponsors and the public should be informed about the historical and
> educational relevance of displays, whether they are historical battle
> pageant, with noise, colour and spectacle or potentially much smaller, more
> accurate living history presentations. Different types of display attract
> different types of sponsor and the Institute aims to help awareness of
> presentation techniques and historical accuracy.
> In addition it aims to co-ordinate a pertinent educational programme for
> those involved with live historical interpretation, to aid the acquisition
> of relevant knowledge and skills, whether it be traditional farming or
> cottage industry skills, research methods or visitor management and
> health & safety.
> Obviously all this will take time and will be a gradual process, but as a
> starting point the Institute is producing a biannual journal.
> First Issue of the IHI Journal available at the Inaugural Meeting or from
> Partizan Press in November 1999.
> You are able to influence discussions about the Institute and it's aims by
> attending the inaugural meeting. This will take place at "The Re-enactor's
> Market", Blackbird Leys Leisure Centre, Oxford on Saturday 13th Nov 1999 at
> 12 noon. The meeting is expected to formally agree the aims of the
> Institute, agree a committee and editorial board for the Journal, and
> discuss the way forward.

> Anyone with an interest in heritage, public history, academic history,
> living history and re-enactment is encouraged to attend to include their
> ideas and opinions about the future of live interpretation at historic
> sites.
> Inaugural Meeting:
> Saturday 13th Nov 1999 at 12 noon.
> at
> The Re-enactor's Market,
> Blackbird Leys Leisure Centre, Oxford.

> "The Re-enactor's Market" is the main outlet in the UK for makers and
> traders in reproduction period equipment and clothing, where they can sell
> their wares to live interpreters and museums. There are over 100 stalls. It
> takes place three times a year, twice at Blackbird Leys Leisure Centre in
> Oxford, and once at "History in Action", the English Heritage premier event
> at Kirby Hall, Northants.
> We hope that you will support the Institute and
> attend the meeting in November.
> For more information contact:
> IHI, c/o 1 Golden Noble Hill,
> Colchester, Essex. CO1 2AG
> e-mail: roddau@essex.ac.uk
> o:o:o M.C. BISHOP >>Writer, Publisher, &
> Archaeologist<<
> o:::o mcbishop@pobox.com <<>>
> http://pobox.com/~mcbishop
> o:::o Braemar, Kirkgate, Chirnside, DUNS,
> Berwickshire, TD11 3XL, UK
> o:o:o Visit ARMAMENTARIVM:
> http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~nantiq/arma/

Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:57:19 -0400
From: randl@borg.com (Anephedros)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Russian Armor

URL for the Alexander Nevsky Society in Russia, neat reenactment group,
lots of armour shots.


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