alchemy-msg - 9/15/09 ਀ഊAlchemy philosophy, medieval chemistry. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: p-medicine-msg, beverages-msg, bev-distilled-msg, perfumes-msg, aphrodisiacs-msg, metals-msg, Med-Math-Sci-bib, Teach-in-SCA-art. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: tip at lead.tmc.edu (Tom Perigrin) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㔀 䐀攀挀 㤀㄀ 　　㨀㔀㘀㨀㈀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: A.I. Chem Lab, University of Arizona ਀ഊUnto the dearest and most adventurous Winifred de Schyppewallebotham, ਀搀漀琀栀 吀栀漀洀愀猀 䤀最渀愀琀椀甀猀 倀攀爀椀最爀椀渀甀猀 猀攀渀搀 栀椀猀 愀洀甀猀攀搀 最爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀㬀ഊ ਀䤀 栀甀洀戀氀礀 猀愀氀甀琀攀 琀栀礀 愀搀瘀攀渀琀攀爀漀甀猀渀攀猀猀 椀渀 愀琀琀攀洀瀀琀椀渀最 琀漀 搀礀攀 眀椀琀栀 椀渀搀椀最漀 愀渀搀 ഊurine! Thy peradventures should'st stand as a beacon to light our way, ਀愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 洀愀礀栀愀瀀猀 琀栀攀 渀漀猀攀 猀栀愀氀氀 氀攀愀搀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 漀甀爀 攀礀攀猀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 愀洀 洀椀渀搀攀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 䤀 洀愀搀攀 猀愀氀琀瀀攀琀攀爀 愀琀 琀栀攀 一漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀ഊRennaisance Faire. If thou wouldst permit, may I relate my ਀琀愀氀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 䤀 瀀爀漀洀椀猀攀 琀栀攀攀Ⰰ 栀愀猀 最漀漀搀 栀甀洀漀甀爀 琀栀攀爀攀椀渀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 昀漀氀氀漀眀攀搀 琀栀攀 猀挀爀椀瀀 漀昀 䈀椀爀爀椀渀最甀挀挀栀椀漀Ⰰ ㄀㔀㐀　⸀ഊ ਀䤀 琀漀漀欀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 戀愀爀爀攀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀椀搀 戀漀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀椀渀 愀 栀漀氀攀 渀攀愀爀 甀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 戀漀琀琀漀洀⸀ഊInto this small hole did I affix a bung, so as to draw off the liquors ਀眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 爀椀瀀攀⸀  吀栀攀渀 䤀 搀椀搀 昀椀渀搀 洀攀 猀漀洀攀 最漀漀搀氀礀 栀漀爀猀攀 洀愀渀甀爀攀 眀栀椀挀栀ഊhad dried but not been rained upon. I specifically searched for that ਀眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 爀椀洀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 眀栀椀琀攀⸀ഊ ਀伀昀 琀栀椀猀 洀愀渀甀爀攀 䤀 琀漀漀欀 愀渀搀 挀愀猀琀 愀 昀甀氀氀 昀漀甀爀 昀椀渀最攀爀猀 搀攀瀀琀栀 椀渀琀漀 洀礀 瀀漀琀Ⰰഊand then two fingers of ash, and a final finger of lime. This I did ਀爀攀瀀攀愀琀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀琀栀氀礀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 搀椀搀 挀漀洀攀 渀礀攀 甀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 洀礀 戀愀爀爀攀氀氀⸀ഊThen I did invite twenty men all stout and true to add their waters ਀椀渀琀漀 洀礀 戀愀爀爀攀氀Ⰰ  眀栀椀挀栀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 戀攀椀渀最 昀甀氀氀 漀昀 最漀漀搀氀礀 愀氀攀Ⰰ  琀栀攀礀 瀀爀漀挀攀攀搀攀搀ഊto accomplish with alacrity. ਀ഊI then stirred this goodly brew with a stout stick. But, as I did stir it, ਀䤀 搀椀搀 猀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀爀最攀爀 琀甀爀搀猀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 搀椀猀猀漀氀瘀攀Ⰰ  猀漀 挀愀猀琀椀渀最ഊaside my shirt, I did plunge my arms into the vile soup and did break up ਀琀栀攀 挀氀甀洀瀀猀 眀椀琀栀 洀礀 栀愀渀搀猀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䈀氀甀攀 䈀漀礀猀ⰀഊHer Majesties own guard, did come unto me , and knowing that I was a man ਀漀昀 洀愀爀琀椀愀氀 搀椀猀瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀 愀猀 琀漀 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀Ⰰ 栀攀 搀椀搀 愀猀欀 愀琀 眀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 䤀 愀搀瘀攀渀琀甀爀椀渀最㼀ഊ ਀匀漀 䤀 琀漀漀欀 漀甀琀 愀 最漀漀搀氀礀 琀甀爀搀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 戀攀椀渀最 挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 戀礀 眀攀琀 愀猀栀攀猀 愀渀搀 氀椀洀攀Ⰰ 搀椀搀ഊseem more like unto a rock than the outfall of a horse, and I did press ਀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 栀椀猀 栀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 猀愀礀 琀栀甀猀氀礀 甀渀琀漀 栀椀洀㬀  ∀䤀渀 昀愀椀琀栀Ⰰ  䤀 愀洀 愀猀猀愀礀椀渀最 琀漀ഊmake saltpeter... but as you can see, my turds have not broken!" Stout ਀昀攀氀氀漀眀 栀攀 眀愀猀Ⰰ 栀攀 搀椀搀 戀氀愀渀挀栀 昀漀爀 戀甀琀 愀 洀漀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 瀀爀漀挀攀攀搀攀搀 琀漀ഊanswer me in like manner, discussing how the dissolution was proceeding. ਀䈀甀琀 洀椀渀搀 礀漀甀Ⰰ 甀渀搀攀爀 栀椀猀 戀爀攀愀琀栀 栀攀 猀眀漀爀攀 琀漀 洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 搀椀攀 愀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 搀愀礀ഊwas through! ਀ഊThen, once I had accomplisht my goal, and the whole been reduced to the ਀挀漀渀猀椀猀琀攀渀挀礀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 搀椀愀戀漀氀椀挀愀氀 最爀甀攀氀Ⰰ  䤀 氀攀昀琀 椀琀 琀漀 猀琀愀渀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 栀漀琀 猀甀渀ഊfor four and twenty hours. ਀ഊUpon the next day, the mass had achieved an excellence of odor which was ਀猀甀爀瀀愀猀猀椀渀最 爀椀瀀攀℀   䄀渀搀 猀漀Ⰰ  瀀爀攀瀀愀爀椀渀最 琀漀 昀漀氀氀漀眀 琀栀攀 搀椀挀琀愀琀攀猀 漀昀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀ഊBirringucchio, I prepared myself to draw forth the waters. I once again ਀挀愀猀琀 漀昀昀 洀礀 猀栀椀爀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀氀甀渀最攀搀 洀礀 栀愀渀搀猀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 洀愀猀猀 琀漀 愀昀昀椀砀 愀 眀愀搀ഊof straw over the hole to act as a filter. And as I stood near this ਀瘀椀氀攀 瘀愀琀Ⰰ  琀眀漀 挀漀洀攀氀礀 戀甀琀 挀甀瀀猀栀漀琀琀攀渀 眀漀洀攀渀 挀漀洀攀 甀瀀 甀渀琀漀 洀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 ഊinsensate to the evidence of their noses, enquired of me as to the contents ਀漀昀 琀栀椀猀 攀瘀椀氀 挀愀甀氀搀爀漀渀⸀   ഊ ਀一漀眀Ⰰ 䤀 洀甀猀琀 愀搀洀椀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀猀攀 昀愀椀爀 眀漀洀攀渀 洀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 搀攀攀瀀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊcups many times and more that day, for not only did they fail to smell the ਀攀昀昀氀甀瘀椀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 洀漀爀愀猀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 愀氀猀漀 最愀瘀攀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 洀攀 愀琀琀爀愀挀琀椀瘀攀ഊunto them (remember, I am lame, bald, and exceedingly ugly!) So before ਀䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 戀攀最愀渀 琀漀 爀甀渀 栀攀爀 昀椀渀最攀爀猀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 搀漀眀渀 洀礀 愀爀洀ഊin what could have been a most seductive fashion, had not the arm in question ਀戀攀攀渀 氀甀戀爀椀挀愀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 挀漀洀戀椀渀攀搀 愀渀搀 昀攀爀洀攀渀琀攀搀 眀愀猀琀攀 漀昀 栀漀爀猀攀Ⰰ 洀愀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀椀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀琀 眀愀猀 戀甀琀 洀礀 搀甀琀礀 琀漀 椀渀昀漀爀洀 栀攀爀 眀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 眀愀猀 爀甀戀戀椀渀最 栀攀爀 挀漀洀攀氀礀 昀椀渀最攀爀猀ഊthrough, whereupon her collegue did let forth a most amazed laugh, and did ਀挀愀氀氀 猀瀀漀爀琀 甀瀀漀渀 琀栀攀 甀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀 漀渀攀⸀  吀栀椀猀 眀愀猀Ⰰ 洀愀礀栀愀瀀猀Ⰰ 甀渀眀椀猀攀Ⰰ  昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊoffended party did turn and assay to clean her fingers upon the shirt of ਀猀栀攀 眀栀漀 搀椀搀 氀愀甀最栀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 猀甀挀挀攀攀搀攀搀 椀渀 焀甀攀氀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀 氀愀甀最栀琀攀爀Ⰰ  戀甀琀 琀爀愀渀猀洀甀琀愀琀攀搀 洀椀爀琀栀 琀漀 甀洀戀爀愀最攀Ⰰഊand quickly into a missile of mire which caught the flirtatious one square ਀甀瀀漀渀 栀攀爀 猀栀椀爀琀⸀   䄀渀搀 琀栀甀猀 戀礀 搀攀最爀攀攀猀 搀椀搀 琀栀攀礀 瀀爀漀挀攀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 猀栀椀爀琀 琀漀 栀愀椀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊunto a rolling catfight interrupted only by the need to refresh their ਀愀爀洀愀洀攀渀琀愀爀椀愀 眀椀琀栀 渀攀眀 栀愀渀搀昀甀氀猀 漀昀 搀攀愀搀氀礀 搀甀渀最⸀ഊ ਀一攀攀搀氀攀猀猀 琀漀 猀愀礀Ⰰ  琀栀椀猀 猀椀最栀琀 愀洀甀猀攀搀 洀攀 最爀攀愀琀氀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 挀愀甀猀攀搀 猀甀挀栀 洀椀爀琀栀 愀洀漀渀最ഊmy fellows that we all lay helpless upon the ground, clutching our sides ਀愀渀搀 爀漀氀氀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 氀愀甀最栀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䔀瘀攀渀琀甀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀Ⰰ 戀礀 渀漀眀 猀氀椀洀攀 攀渀挀爀甀猀琀攀搀 挀漀洀戀愀琀愀渀琀猀 氀攀昀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 瀀爀漀挀攀攀搀攀搀ഊto drain my broth, and rinsed it twice with water, and boiled it down to ਀爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀 ㄀ 栀愀渀搀昀甀氀 漀昀 瀀愀氀攀 戀爀漀眀渀 挀爀礀猀琀愀氀猀 漀昀 猀愀氀琀瀀攀琀攀爀⸀  䈀甀琀 䤀 洀甀猀琀 猀眀攀愀爀Ⰰഊthe making was more rewarding than the salt. ਀ഊI hope that my tale may have given thee some amusement, and I ਀爀攀洀愀椀渀Ⰰ   琀栀礀 搀甀琀椀漀甀猀 愀渀搀 漀戀攀搀椀攀渀琀 ⠀戀甀琀Ⰰ 愀氀愀猀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 戀氀甀攀⤀ 猀攀爀瘀愀渀琀ഊ ਀吀栀漀洀愀猀 䤀最渀愀琀椀甀猀 倀攀爀椀最爀椀渀甀猀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: harald at matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Harold Kraus Jr) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: A "Medieval" look at napalm ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀ 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㌀㨀㄀　㨀㄀㘀 ⴀ　㘀　　ഊOrganization: Kansas State University ਀ഊAhoy, the Bridge! ਀ഊGiven the wanderings of the napalm thread, thought I'd dig out ਀漀渀攀 漀昀 洀礀 最爀攀愀琀ⴀ最爀愀渀搀猀漀渀✀猀 ∀琀攀爀洀∀ 瀀愀瀀攀爀猀 ⴀⴀ 䠀愀爀愀氀搀 䤀猀攀渀爀漀猀猀ഊ ਀䄀爀椀猀琀漀琀氀愀渀 ⠀䄀昀琀攀爀 䄀 䘀愀猀栀椀漀渀⤀ 䄀琀漀洀椀挀 吀栀攀漀爀礀ഊAccording to Karl Isenross, Nuremburg scholar (with apologies) ਀ഊCaveat: I'm just a physimatitioneer. I'd be a physemist- ਀洀愀琀椀琀椀漀渀攀攀爀 椀昀 䤀 栀愀搀渀✀琀 焀甀椀稀稀攀搀 漀甀琀 漀昀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀礀⸀ 㨀⤀ഊ ਀䨀甀猀琀 愀猀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀渀攀 猀攀攀欀猀 椀琀猀 瀀氀愀挀攀 戀攀氀漀眀 琀栀攀 猀攀爀瀀攀渀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 猀攀攀欀猀ഊits place below the beast which seeks its place below man; just ਀愀猀 琀栀攀 戀漀搀礀 漀昀 洀愀渀 猀攀攀欀猀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀琀栀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀漀甀氀 漀昀 洀愀渀 猀攀攀欀猀 琀栀攀ഊheavens; so too do the atoms seek their place in creation. ਀ഊMetals and Airs: ਀ഊJust as man and animal were created male and female, each to seek ਀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 愀渀搀 樀漀椀渀 猀漀 琀眀漀 洀愀礀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 漀渀攀㬀 猀漀 眀攀爀攀 愀琀漀洀猀ഊcreated metals and airs, each to seek out the other and join so ਀琀眀漀 洀愀礀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 漀渀攀⸀  䴀攀琀愀氀猀 愀渀搀 愀椀爀猀 愀爀攀 漀瀀瀀漀猀椀琀攀猀㨀 洀攀琀愀氀猀Ⰰഊsequestered and purified from airs, are enduring, strong, and ਀栀攀愀瘀礀㬀 愀椀爀猀Ⰰ 猀攀焀甀攀猀琀攀爀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀攀琀愀氀猀Ⰰ 愀爀攀 攀瀀栀攀洀攀爀愀氀Ⰰ 眀攀愀欀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊlight. As with men who are cloistered from women to serve God, ਀猀漀 琀漀漀 愀爀攀 洀攀琀愀氀猀 挀氀漀椀猀琀攀爀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 愀椀爀猀 琀漀 猀攀爀瘀攀 洀攀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 最氀漀爀礀ഊof God. ਀ഊAs there are virtuous and base men and women, there are also ਀瘀椀爀琀甀漀甀猀 愀渀搀 戀愀猀攀 洀攀琀愀氀猀 愀渀搀 愀椀爀猀⸀  嘀椀爀琀甀漀甀猀 洀攀琀愀氀猀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀ഊvirtuous men, are more able to resist corruption. Gold (Au) is ਀椀渀挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀椀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 椀猀 琀漀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 昀爀攀攀Ⰰ 瀀甀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 甀渀琀愀爀渀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀ഊthe earth. Aluminum (Al) is so base and corruptible as to be ਀氀椀琀琀氀攀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 搀椀爀琀 椀渀 椀琀猀 渀愀琀甀爀愀氀 猀琀愀琀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 戀愀猀攀爀 琀栀攀 愀椀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 最爀攀愀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 瀀漀眀攀爀 琀漀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀 洀攀琀愀氀猀⸀  匀漀ഊvirtuous are the airs of the first degree (C, P, S) that they can ਀琀愀欀攀 漀渀 攀渀搀甀爀椀渀最 昀漀爀洀猀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 琀漀 洀攀琀愀氀猀⸀  䈀甀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 攀渀搀甀爀椀渀最ഊform, airs of the first degree lack strength and their true ਀渀愀琀甀爀攀 愀猀 愀椀爀猀 挀愀渀 戀攀 爀攀瘀攀愀氀攀搀 戀礀 栀攀愀琀椀渀最⸀  匀漀 戀愀猀攀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀 愀椀爀猀ഊof the third degree (O, Cl, F) that they not only corrupt metals ਀愀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀爀攀搀椀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀㬀 戀甀琀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀戀猀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 洀攀琀愀氀猀Ⰰ 眀椀氀氀ഊcorrupt airs of the first degree and even airs of the second ਀搀攀最爀攀攀 ⠀一Ⰰ 䠀 嬀愀渀搀 䠀 眀椀氀氀 攀瘀攀渀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀 一崀⤀⸀ഊ ਀                  䴀攀琀愀氀猀         䄀椀爀猀ഊ Au Virtuous C ਀                    䄀最            倀    ഊ Hg S ਀                    䌀甀            一      ഊ Sn H ਀                    倀戀            伀   ഊ Fe Cl ਀                    䄀氀    䈀愀猀攀    䘀ഊ ਀䌀漀爀爀甀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 䘀攀 戀礀 伀 瘀椀愀 䠀㨀   䠀 ⬀ 伀 ⴀ㸀 䠀伀ഊ HO + Fe -> FeO + H ਀ഊThus, given a drop of water (HO) on a piece of iron (Fe) all in ਀愀椀爀 ⠀挀漀渀琀愀椀渀椀渀最 伀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 伀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 䠀 愀戀愀渀搀漀渀猀 琀栀攀 䠀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊFe given the baser air's preference for metal. The abandoned H ਀椀猀 琀栀攀渀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 琀漀 戀攀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀攀搀 愀最愀椀渀 戀礀 愀渀礀 伀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀椀爀⸀ഊ ਀圀椀琀栀 椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀 ⠀栀攀愀琀椀渀最⤀Ⰰ 愀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀椀渀最 愀椀爀 愀琀漀洀 洀愀礀 戀攀 搀爀椀瘀攀渀 昀爀漀洀ഊa metal atom. Baser metals require more impetus to drive off an ਀愀椀爀 琀栀愀渀 洀漀爀攀 瘀椀爀琀甀漀甀猀 洀攀琀愀氀猀⸀  䈀攀椀渀最 昀椀挀欀氀攀Ⰰ 愀渀 愀椀爀 愀琀漀洀 琀栀愀琀ഊhas been driven off a metal atom by impetus will retain that ਀椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀⸀  䤀昀 愀 戀愀猀攀爀 洀攀琀愀氀 愀琀漀洀 椀猀 渀攀愀爀戀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 愀椀爀 愀琀漀洀 眀椀琀栀ഊimpetus will corrupt the baser metal atom. In so corrupting the ਀戀愀猀攀爀 洀攀琀愀氀 愀琀漀洀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 愀椀爀 愀琀漀洀 眀椀氀氀 最椀瘀攀 甀瀀 椀琀猀 椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀⸀  吀栀椀猀ഊsurrendered impetus can be sufficient to be collected and used by ਀愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 渀攀愀爀戀礀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀攀搀 戀甀琀 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 瘀椀爀琀甀漀甀猀 洀攀琀愀氀 琀漀 搀爀椀瘀攀ഊoff a corrupting air atom. ਀ഊConsider the compound of *thermite*: Sequestered Al atoms are ਀洀椀砀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀攀搀 䘀攀 愀琀漀洀猀⸀  圀椀琀栀 猀甀昀昀椀挀椀攀渀琀 椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 漀昀ഊthe corrupting air atoms can be driven off of the Fe atoms. With ਀琀栀攀 戀愀猀攀爀 䄀氀 愀琀漀洀猀 椀渀 猀甀昀昀椀挀椀攀渀琀 瀀爀漀砀椀洀椀琀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 攀砀椀氀攀搀 愀椀爀 愀琀漀洀猀ഊreadily corrupt the Al atoms releasing considerable impetus given ਀琀栀攀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀愀氀 戀愀猀攀渀攀猀猀 漀昀 䄀氀 愀琀漀洀猀⸀  吀栀椀猀 爀攀氀攀愀猀攀搀 椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀 椀猀ഊgreater than the impetus needed to drive the air atom off of a ਀渀攀愀爀戀礀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀攀搀 䘀攀 愀琀漀洀⸀  吀栀甀猀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 椀猀 挀愀渀漀渀椀挀愀氀Ⰰഊcanonical in the sense that when an atom is purified, one or more ਀漀琀栀攀爀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀攀搀 愀琀漀洀猀 洀愀礀 昀漀氀氀漀眀 愀渀搀 椀洀椀琀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 瀀甀爀椀昀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀ഊthe first atom. ਀ഊHence, impetus + FeO -> Fe + O(+impetus) ਀            伀⠀⬀椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀⤀ ⬀ 䄀氀 ⴀ㸀 䄀氀伀 ⬀ 最爀攀愀琀攀爀 椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀ഊ ਀⠀䌀漀洀戀椀渀椀渀最⤀ 椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀 ⬀ 䘀攀伀 ⬀ 䄀氀 ⴀ㸀 䘀攀 ⬀ 䄀氀伀 ⬀ 最爀攀愀琀攀爀 椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀ഊ ਀吀栀甀猀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 愀猀 琀栀攀 瀀甀爀椀昀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 漀渀攀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀攀搀 猀漀甀氀 挀愀渀 氀攀愀搀 琀漀ഊthe purification by that soul of another soul, the purification ਀漀昀 漀渀攀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀攀搀 洀攀琀愀氀 愀琀漀洀 挀愀渀 氀攀愀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 瀀甀爀椀昀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 戀礀 琀栀愀琀ഊatom of another atom. ਀ഊBase Metals and Noble Airs: ਀ഊJust as there are men so base that it be their nature to corrupt ਀琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 椀渀昀氀甀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀攀琀愀氀猀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀漀猀攀ഊlisted above that are so base as they quite readily corrupt ਀琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀椀爀猀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 洀攀琀愀氀猀 愀爀攀ഊso base as to be called "earths". ਀ഊJust as the noble heirs hold themselves separate from the baser ਀洀攀渀 愀渀搀 眀漀洀攀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀甀猀 洀愀椀渀琀愀椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 栀椀最栀攀爀 瀀氀愀挀攀 椀渀 挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰഊso too do the noble airs hold themselves separate from the baser ਀洀攀琀愀氀猀 愀渀搀 攀愀爀琀栀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀甀猀 愀猀挀攀渀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 栀攀愀瘀攀渀猀⸀ഊ ਀匀漀Ⰰ 愀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 洀愀渀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 愀琀漀洀猀 愀爀攀 戀攀 琀漀ഊfound the incorruptible, corruptible, and ultimately corruptible, ਀琀栀攀 渀漀渀ⴀ挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 甀氀琀椀洀愀琀攀氀礀 挀漀爀爀甀瀀琀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀眀琀 愀琀 戀挀愀爀栀㄀㄀愀⸀戀渀爀⸀挀愀 ⠀䠀攀渀爀礀 吀爀漀甀瀀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Dinner we got, but how about breakfast and lunch? ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䈀攀氀氀ⴀ一漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 刀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 䰀琀搀⸀Ⰰ 伀琀琀愀眀愀Ⰰ 䌀愀渀愀搀愀ഊDate: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 15:01:19 GMT ਀ഊWater glass is sodium or potassium silicate. Source: Concise Oxford ਀ഊBeware of some lists of common versus chemical names. These things changed ਀漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 礀攀愀爀猀⸀  䄀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 氀椀猀琀猀 愀爀攀 眀爀漀渀最 ⴀ ∀吀栀攀 䔀搀最攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䄀渀瘀椀氀∀Ⰰ 愀渀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊwise good book, defines water glass as sodium cyanide!!! ਀ⴀⴀ ഊHenry Troup - H.Troup at BNR.CA (Canada) - ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀漀爀氀椀猀猀 愀琀 栀愀氀⸀倀䠀礀猀椀挀猀⸀眀愀礀渀攀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䨀⸀ 䌀漀爀氀椀猀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 吀椀渀ഊDate: 12 May 1994 10:56:33 -0400 ਀ഊMistress Gwennis asks about tin. ਀ഊ[Comments are in persona; comments out of persona/period are in brackets] ਀ഊThere are seven metals: lead, iron, tin, mercury, copper, silver, and gold. ਀一漀渀攀 搀椀猀猀漀氀瘀攀 椀渀 瘀椀渀攀最愀爀 愀渀搀 栀愀爀琀猀栀漀爀渀 嬀愀洀洀漀渀椀愀崀 洀愀礀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 挀氀攀愀渀 琀栀攀洀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 戀愀猀攀 洀攀琀愀氀猀Ⰰ 氀攀愀搀Ⰰ 椀爀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀椀渀Ⰰ 洀愀礀 戀攀 搀椀猀猀漀氀瘀攀搀 椀渀 挀漀氀搀 愀焀甀愀 昀漀爀琀椀猀 漀爀ഊstrong water [nitric acid]. Aqua fortis is made by distilling oil of vitriol ਀嬀猀甀氀昀甀爀椀挀 愀挀椀搀崀 眀椀琀栀 猀愀氀琀瀀攀琀攀爀 嬀瀀漀琀愀猀猀椀甀洀 渀椀琀爀愀琀攀崀⸀ 䠀漀琀 愀焀甀愀 昀漀爀琀椀猀 眀椀氀氀 愀挀琀ഊon the noble metals mercury, copper, and silver, but not gold. It will also act ਀洀漀爀攀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 漀渀 戀愀猀攀 洀攀琀愀氀猀 琀栀愀渀 挀漀氀搀 愀焀甀愀 昀漀爀琀椀猀⸀ 䄀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀椀猀栀椀渀最 琀漀 甀猀攀 琀椀渀 愀猀 愀 洀漀爀搀愀渀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀渀 愀搀瘀椀猀攀搀 琀漀 漀戀琀愀椀渀 猀漀洀攀 愀焀甀愀 昀漀爀琀椀猀Ⰰ 眀愀爀洀 椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀氀愀挀攀 琀栀攀ഊtin therein. Do not make it too hot, for the fumes are very dangerous. When the ਀琀椀渀 椀猀 挀漀渀猀甀洀攀搀Ⰰ 氀礀攀 嬀猀漀搀椀甀洀 栀礀搀爀漀砀椀搀攀崀 漀爀 眀漀漀搀 愀猀栀攀猀 嬀眀栀椀挀栀 挀漀洀戀椀渀攀 眀椀琀栀 眀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 昀漀爀洀 瀀漀琀愀猀猀椀甀洀 栀礀搀爀漀砀椀搀攀崀 洀甀猀琀 戀攀 愀搀搀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 戀爀攀眀 甀渀琀椀氀 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀ഊturn orchil red [litmus test. yes: they knew about this.] This water of tin may then be added to the dyebath to help the dye bite. ਀ഊBeorthwine of Grafham Wood ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀攀昀昀猀 愀琀 洀愀琀栀⸀戀甀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀䨀攀昀昀 匀甀稀甀欀椀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 瀀氀愀琀椀渀甀洀ഊDate: 12 May 1994 15:56:56 -0400 ਀ഊMichael Fenwick writes: ਀㸀䤀昀 䤀 爀攀挀愀氀氀 愀爀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 瀀氀愀琀椀渀甀洀 眀愀猀 欀渀漀眀渀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㬀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 洀攀ഊ>that the Germans called it "Kupfernickel" ("copper-devil"). ਀㸀∀䬀甀瀀昀攀爀∀ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀琀 漀昀琀攀渀 猀栀漀眀攀搀 甀瀀 椀渀 愀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 挀漀瀀瀀攀爀Ⰰഊ>and "Nickel" because it was the very devil on the water-driven ਀㸀栀愀洀洀攀爀洀椀氀氀猀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀 琀栀攀 挀漀瀀瀀攀爀㨀 椀琀 戀爀漀欀攀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 戀攀椀渀最 开洀甀挀栀开ഊ>harder than copper, and harder than the hardened steel ਀㸀栀愀洀洀攀爀ⴀ昀愀挀攀猀⸀ 䈀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 瘀攀爀礀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀礀 椀渀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 椀琀 洀愀欀攀猀 椀琀ഊ>less likely, IMHO, that this is what Pliny was talking about. ਀ഊ"Kupfernickel" is "Devil's Copper". It's where we get the word nickel ਀昀爀漀洀 ⠀伀氀搀 一椀挀欀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀⸀⸀⸀猀愀礀礀礀礀Ⰰ 搀漀 礀愀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀 爀攀氀愀琀椀漀渀猀栀椀瀀ഊbetween that and Jack Nicholson...) The name comes from the fact that ਀挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 漀爀攀猀 漀昀 渀椀挀欀攀氀 爀攀猀攀洀戀氀攀 挀漀瀀瀀攀爀 漀爀攀猀Ⰰ 礀攀琀 渀漀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀礀ഊwere worked, they produced no copper. (qv "Fool's Gold") ਀ഊThe practice of adding nickel to iron is fairly recent; any artifact ਀眀椀琀栀 愀 渀椀挀欀攀氀ⴀ椀爀漀渀 愀氀氀漀礀 椀猀 洀漀猀琀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 搀攀爀椀瘀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀攀琀攀漀爀椀挀 椀爀漀渀⸀ഊRead the section in the Iliad about the funerary games if you want a ਀䈀爀漀渀稀攀 䄀最攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀✀猀 瘀椀攀眀 漀昀 椀爀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀愀琀椀渀甀洀 眀愀猀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 欀渀漀眀渀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㬀 椀琀 眀愀猀 昀椀爀猀琀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 戀礀 愀ഊSpaniard who called it "Pinto Silver". (Silver in Spanish is ਀倀氀愀琀椀渀愀⤀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 搀椀猀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀眀 眀漀爀氀搀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 椀洀瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀攀ഊthat other elements of the platinum group were around, since, like ਀最漀氀搀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 椀渀攀爀琀 愀渀搀 渀甀最最攀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 挀愀渀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀⸀  䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰഊthe metals are very rare. ਀ഊAntimony was "discovered" during the Middle Ages, although there is an ਀䔀最礀瀀琀椀愀渀 瘀愀猀攀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 渀攀愀爀氀礀 瀀甀爀攀 愀渀琀椀洀漀渀礀⸀  伀渀攀 漀昀 椀琀猀 漀爀攀猀ഊ(stibinite, I believe it's called) was used as a mascara; the word ਀∀猀琀礀瀀琀椀挀∀ 栀愀椀氀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 爀漀漀琀 ⠀愀猀 搀漀攀猀 椀琀猀 猀礀洀戀漀氀Ⰰ 匀戀Ⰰ 昀漀爀ഊ"stibium"). The name "antimony" itself seems to mean "against ਀猀漀氀椀琀甀搀攀∀Ⰰ 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 搀甀攀 琀漀 猀漀洀攀 漀戀猀挀甀爀攀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀 渀漀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ഊ ਀伀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䄀氀㈀伀㌀ ⬀ 䌀伀 ⴀⴀ㸀 䄀氀 ⬀ 䌀伀㈀ ⠀∀䠀漀眀 搀漀 礀漀甀 猀瀀攀氀氀 猀琀漀椀挀栀椀漀洀攀琀爀礀㼀ഊB-O-R-I-N-G!") is _never_ spontaneous at any temperature. It's ਀攀渀搀漀琀栀攀爀洀椀挀 愀渀搀 攀渀琀爀漀瀀礀 搀攀挀爀攀愀猀椀渀最 ⠀椀⸀攀⸀Ⰰ 䐀攀氀 䜀 㸀 　 昀漀爀 愀氀氀 吀⤀ഊ ਀圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 琀栀攀 䄀氀挀栀礀洀椀猀琀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: jeffs at math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: alchymy ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㐀 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 ㄀㜀㨀㔀㜀㨀㄀㔀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊ ਀䜀攀渀攀瘀椀攀瘀攀 搀攀 刀攀渀愀爀搀 愀猀欀猀㨀ഊ>Greetings to one and all! After finishing a loverly novel titled "In ਀㸀匀攀愀爀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䜀爀攀攀渀 䰀椀漀渀Ⰰ∀ 䤀 眀愀猀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 椀昀Ⰰ 椀渀 昀愀挀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 最爀攀攀渀ഊ>lion *in the book it was rearing, and swallowing a sun* was actually ਀㸀愀渀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀猀琀✀猀 猀礀洀戀漀氀Ⰰ 漀爀 椀昀 椀琀 眀愀猀 洀愀搀攀 甀瀀 琀漀 猀瀀椀挀攀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀✀猀ഊ>story. Did alchemist's use animal personifications to represent ਀㸀攀氀攀洀攀渀琀猀 漀爀 猀甀戀猀琀愀渀挀攀猀㼀  䨀甀猀琀 挀甀爀椀漀甀猀℀ഊ ਀䤀琀 眀愀猀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 挀漀洀洀漀渀⸀  䘀爀漀洀 洀攀洀漀爀礀 ⠀挀栀攀挀欀 漀甀琀 匀栀攀爀眀漀漀搀 吀愀礀氀漀爀✀猀 开吀栀攀ഊAlchemists_, or, um, Carrington's _Historical Studies in the Language ਀漀昀 䌀栀攀洀椀猀琀爀礀开⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 ∀猀瀀椀爀椀琀∀ 漀昀 愀 洀攀琀愀氀 眀愀猀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 搀攀瀀椀挀琀攀搀 愀猀 猀漀洀攀ഊsort of animal: dove, lion, etc., not in any standardized way. Now, ਀爀攀挀愀氀氀 琀栀攀 䜀漀猀瀀攀氀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀爀攀 愀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀椀洀愀氀猀 ⠀戀甀氀氀Ⰰ 爀漀漀猀琀攀爀Ⰰഊetc.) Thus came the belief that certain of the Gospels were worthy of ਀猀琀甀搀礀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀椀爀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀䘀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 愀 洀攀琀愀氀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 戀甀爀渀琀 琀漀 爀攀氀攀愀猀攀 椀琀猀 猀瀀椀爀椀琀 ⠀猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀ഊdepicted as a dove), which could be coaxed to enter another metal to ਀挀栀愀渀最攀 椀琀猀 焀甀愀氀椀琀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 洀攀琀愀氀猀 眀攀爀攀 开愀氀猀漀开 猀礀洀戀漀氀椀稀攀搀 愀猀 瀀氀愀渀攀琀猀Ⰰ 椀渀 愀 洀漀爀攀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀椀稀攀搀ഊway: the sun is gold, the Moon silver, Mars iron, Saturn lead, Venus ਀挀漀瀀瀀攀爀Ⰰ 䨀甀瀀椀琀攀爀 琀椀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䴀攀爀挀甀爀礀 洀攀爀挀甀爀礀⸀  吀栀椀猀 愀猀琀爀漀渀漀洀椀挀愀氀ഊconnection lent itself easily to an astrological connection: the ਀瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 瀀氀愀渀攀琀猀 搀攀琀攀爀洀椀渀攀搀 琀栀攀 攀昀昀椀挀愀挀礀 漀昀 愀 瀀爀漀挀攀搀甀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 氀愀猀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 琀椀攀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀 ⠀瘀椀愀 琀栀攀 稀漀搀椀愀挀⤀ 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 猀礀猀琀攀洀猀㬀ഊhowever, I don't recall ever seeing the two systems mixed. Still, one ਀洀椀最栀琀 栀愀稀愀爀搀 愀 最甀攀猀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 ∀最爀攀攀渀 氀椀漀渀 猀眀愀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀甀渀∀㨀ഊ ਀䰀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀猀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀攀愀猀琀猀Ⰰ 眀漀甀氀搀 挀漀爀爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀 琀漀 最漀氀搀Ⰰ 欀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊmetals. But a green lion is not truly a lion, just something that ਀氀漀漀欀猀 氀椀欀攀 椀琀㨀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 挀漀瀀瀀攀爀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 琀甀爀渀猀 最爀攀攀渀 椀昀 愀挀琀攀搀 甀瀀漀渀 戀礀 漀椀氀ഊof vitriol). Swallowing the sun clearly means imbibing upon the ਀攀猀猀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 最漀氀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀Ⰰ 栀漀瀀攀昀甀氀氀礀Ⰰ 琀甀爀渀椀渀最 琀栀攀 最爀攀攀渀 氀椀漀渀 椀渀琀漀 愀 琀爀甀攀ഊone, as a bit of leaven may raise a whole batch of dough (also a ਀猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀 戀攀氀椀攀昀Ⰰ 攀爀最漀 琀栀攀 猀攀愀爀挀栀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 倀栀椀氀漀猀漀瀀栀攀爀✀猀ഊStone). ਀ഊWilliam the Alchymist ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 戀樀洀㄀　 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䈀爀礀愀渀 䴀愀氀漀渀攀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀礀 愀渀搀 䴀愀最椀挀 椀渀ഊDate: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 15:13:09 UNDEFINED ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 愀 洀攀愀渀猀 漀昀 搀攀猀琀爀漀礀椀渀最 栀甀洀愀渀椀琀礀⸀ഊ ਀㸀   䄀栀攀洀Ⰰ 栀洀洀洀Ⰰ 儀唀䔀匀吀䤀伀一 吀䤀䴀䔀㨀 䤀猀渀✀琀 琀栀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 挀漀渀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 ഊ>alchemy and similar stuff OUT OF PERIOD by about 200 years? ਀㸀䐀䔀匀倀䤀吀䔀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 漀昀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 洀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 爀甀渀 椀渀琀漀 ഊ>documentary evidence of the practice of the `science' until ਀㸀愀 瀀漀椀渀琀 瘀攀爀礀 瘀攀爀礀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀 漀甀爀 挀甀琀漀昀昀 瀀漀椀渀琀 漀昀 漀甀爀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀猀眀攀爀 琀椀洀攀㨀  䤀✀瘀攀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 愀 眀漀爀欀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀䐀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 漀昀 儀甀椀渀琀攀 䔀猀猀攀渀挀椀愀∀ ഊ[sic--I'm recalling the title to memory], part of the EETS (Early English Text ਀匀攀爀椀攀猀⤀ 琀漀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀⸀  䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀攀 昀漀爀攀眀漀爀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀䔀吀匀 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 ഊMS. it comes from dates somewhere around the mid fifteenth century. Last time ਀䤀 挀栀攀挀欀攀搀Ⰰ ㄀㐀㔀　 眀愀猀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 匀䌀䄀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 瀀爀漀洀椀猀攀搀 攀洀愀椀氀 漀昀 愀渀 䄀匀䌀䤀䤀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 戀漀琀栀 琀栀攀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 ഊtransliterated early modern English text to one person. I intend to put both ਀漀渀琀漀 愀 圀圀圀 瀀愀最攀 漀渀挀攀 䤀 挀愀渀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀攀 昀甀爀猀栀氀甀最最椀渀攀爀 䠀吀䴀䰀㈀ 挀漀搀攀猀 昀漀爀 ∀琀栀漀爀渀∀ ഊand "yogh". ਀ഊ> If we are to take Crowley - that's John, not Alek. at his ਀㸀眀漀爀搀 ⠀琀栀愀琀 栀攀 栀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊ>modern tradition of "magick" it all occurs during the end of ਀㸀琀栀攀 刀攀渀愀椀猀愀渀挀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 ∀搀椀猀挀漀瘀攀爀椀攀猀∀ 漀昀 洀愀渀礀 愀渀 愀氀氀攀最攀搀氀礀 ഊ>ancient book ranging from the pseudo Keys of Solomon to the ਀ഊHowever, this still does not mean that no magic nor alchemy at all was ਀瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀  吀漀 眀椀琀㨀ഊ ਀         吀䤀吀䰀䔀㨀  娀愀甀戀攀爀攀爀 甀渀搀 䠀攀砀攀渀 椀渀 搀攀爀 䬀甀氀琀甀爀 搀攀猀 䴀椀琀琀攀氀愀氀琀攀爀猀 㨀 䤀䤀䤀⸀ഊ Jahrestagung der Reineke-Gesellschaft e.V., San Malo, 5.-9. ਀                   䨀甀渀椀 ㄀㤀㤀㈀⸀ഊ AUTHOR: Jahrestagung der Reineke-Gesellschaft. 3rd, 1992, San Malo. ਀      倀唀䈀䰀䤀匀䠀䔀䐀㨀  䜀爀攀椀昀猀眀愀氀搀 㨀 刀攀椀渀攀欀攀ⴀ嘀攀爀氀愀最Ⰰ ㄀㤀㤀㐀⸀ഊ ਀         吀䤀吀䰀䔀㨀  吀栀攀 爀椀猀攀 漀昀 洀愀最椀挀 椀渀 攀愀爀氀礀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀ഊ AUTHOR: Flint, Valerie I. J. (Valerie Irene Jean), 1936- ਀      倀唀䈀䰀䤀匀䠀䔀䐀㨀  倀爀椀渀挀攀琀漀渀Ⰰ 一⸀䨀⸀ 㨀 倀爀椀渀挀攀琀漀渀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 倀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ 挀㄀㤀㤀㄀⸀ഊ ਀         吀䤀吀䰀䔀㨀  䴀愀最椀挀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀ഊ AUTHOR: Kieckhefer, Richard. ਀      倀唀䈀䰀䤀匀䠀䔀䐀㨀  䌀愀洀戀爀椀搀最攀 㬀 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀 㨀 䌀愀洀戀爀椀搀最攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 倀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰഊ c1990. ਀ ഊ TITLE: Zur Geschichte der Schmerz-, Schlaf- und Betueaubungsmittel in ਀                   䴀椀琀琀攀氀愀氀琀攀爀 甀渀搀 昀爀甀攀甀栀攀爀 一攀甀稀攀椀琀ഊ AUTHOR: Kuhlen, Franz-Josef. ਀      倀唀䈀䰀䤀匀䠀䔀䐀㨀  匀琀甀琀琀最愀爀琀 㨀 䤀渀 䬀漀洀洀椀猀猀椀漀渀Ⰰ 䐀攀甀琀猀挀栀攀爀 䄀瀀漀琀栀攀欀攀爀 嘀攀爀氀愀最Ⰰ ㄀㤀㠀㌀⸀ഊ ਀         吀䤀吀䰀䔀㨀  吀栀攀 昀攀愀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 匀椀洀甀爀最栀 㨀 琀栀攀 ∀氀椀挀椀琀 洀愀最椀挀∀ 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀爀琀猀 椀渀ഊ medieval Islam ਀         䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  䈀㼀甀爀最攀氀Ⰰ 䨀⸀ 䌀栀爀椀猀琀漀瀀栀⸀ഊ PUBLISHED: New York : New York University Press, c1988. ਀ഊ TITLE: The book of secrets of Albertus Magnus of the virtues of ਀                   栀攀爀戀猀Ⰰ 猀琀漀渀攀猀 愀渀搀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 戀攀愀猀琀猀Ⰰ 愀氀猀漀 䄀 戀漀漀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀愀爀瘀攀氀猀ഊ of the world. ਀         䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  䄀氀戀攀爀琀甀猀Ⰰ 䴀愀最渀甀猀Ⰰ 匀愀椀渀琀Ⰰ ㄀㄀㤀㌀㼀ⴀ㄀㈀㠀　⸀ 匀瀀甀爀椀漀甀猀 愀渀搀 搀漀甀戀琀昀甀氀ഊ works. ਀      倀唀䈀䰀䤀匀䠀䔀䐀㨀  伀砀昀漀爀搀 嬀䔀渀最⸀崀 䌀氀愀爀攀渀搀漀渀 倀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㜀㌀⸀ഊ ਀         吀䤀吀䰀䔀㨀  䐀椀攀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀椀攀 椀洀 䴀椀琀琀攀氀愀氀琀攀爀⸀ 㠀刀攀瀀爀漀最爀愀昀椀猀挀栀攀爀 一愀挀栀搀爀甀挀欀 搀攀爀ഊ Ausg. Paderborn 1938) ਀         䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  䜀愀渀稀攀渀洀㼀甀氀氀攀爀Ⰰ 圀椀氀栀攀氀洀Ⰰ ㄀㠀㠀㈀ⴀഊ PUBLISHED: Paderborn, Verlag der Bonifacius-druckerei [c1938] ਀ഊ TITLE: De occulta philosophia libri tres ਀         䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  䄀最爀椀瀀瀀愀 瘀漀渀 一攀琀琀攀猀栀攀椀洀Ⰰ 䠀攀椀渀爀椀挀栀 䌀漀爀渀攀氀椀甀猀Ⰰ ㄀㐀㠀㘀㼀ⴀ㄀㔀㌀㔀⸀ഊ PUBLISHED: Leiden ; New York : E.J. Brill, 1992. ਀ഊ TITLE: Criptologia ਀         䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  倀漀爀琀愀Ⰰ 䜀椀愀洀戀愀琀琀椀猀琀愀 搀攀氀氀愀Ⰰ ㄀㔀㌀㔀㼀ⴀ㄀㘀㄀㔀⸀ഊ PUBLISHED: Roma : Centro internazionale di studi umanistici, 1982. ਀ഊ ਀         吀䤀吀䰀䔀㨀  䐀椀猀焀瘀椀猀椀琀椀漀渀瘀洀 洀愀最椀挀愀爀瘀洀 氀椀戀爀椀 猀攀砀Ⰰ 㨀 焀甀椀戀甀猀 挀漀渀琀椀渀攀琀甀爀ഊ accurata curiosarum artium, & vanarum superstitionum ਀                   挀漀渀昀甀琀愀琀椀漀㬀 愀瀀瀀爀椀洀攀 甀琀椀氀椀猀Ⰰ ☀ 瀀攀爀渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀愀 琀栀攀漀氀漀最椀猀Ⰰഊ iurisconsultis, medicis, philosophis, ac prÌsertim verbi Dei ਀                   挀漀渀挀椀漀渀愀琀漀爀椀戀甀猀Ⰰ ☀ 甀琀爀椀甀猀焀甀攀 昀漀爀椀 椀甀搀椀挀椀戀甀猀Ⰰ 焀甀椀戀甀猀 椀渀ഊ primis aurea prÌcepta traduntur. ਀         䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  䐀攀氀 刀椀漀Ⰰ 䴀愀爀琀椀渀 䄀渀琀漀椀渀攀Ⰰ ㄀㔀㔀㄀ⴀ㄀㘀　㠀⸀ഊ PUBLISHED: Venetiis, : Apud Iuntas., M.DC.LII. [1652] ਀ഊ TITLE: The archaeology of ritual and magic ਀         䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  䴀攀爀爀椀昀椀攀氀搀Ⰰ 刀愀氀瀀栀⸀ഊ PUBLISHED: New York : New Amsterdam, 1988. ਀ഊ TITLE: The rise of magic in early medieval Europe ਀         䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  䘀氀椀渀琀Ⰰ 嘀愀氀攀爀椀攀 䤀⸀ 䨀⸀ ⠀嘀愀氀攀爀椀攀 䤀爀攀渀攀 䨀攀愀渀⤀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㌀㘀ⴀഊ PUBLISHED: Princeton, N.J. : Princeton University Press, c1991. ਀ഊ TITLE: Zauberglaube und Hexenwahn im Gebiet von Rhein und Maas : ਀                   猀瀀㼀愀琀洀椀琀琀攀氀愀氀琀攀爀氀椀挀栀攀爀 嘀漀氀欀猀最氀愀甀戀攀 椀洀 圀攀爀欀 䨀漀栀愀渀 圀攀礀攀爀猀ഊ (1515-1588) ਀         䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  一愀栀氀Ⰰ 刀甀搀漀氀昀 瘀愀渀⸀ഊ PUBLISHED: Bonn : L. R?ohrscheid, 1983. ਀ഊ TITLE: Anglo-Saxon-charms ਀         䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  䜀爀攀渀搀漀渀Ⰰ 䘀攀氀椀砀Ⰰ ㄀㠀㠀㈀ⴀ㄀㤀㘀㔀Ⰰ 挀漀洀瀀⸀ഊ PUBLISHED: Norwood, Pa. : Norwood Editions, 1978. ਀ഊ TITLE: Anglo-Saxon magic and medicine. Illustrated specially from the ਀                   猀攀洀椀ⴀ瀀愀最愀渀 琀攀砀琀 ∀䰀愀挀渀甀渀最愀Ⰰ∀ഊ AUTHOR: Grattan, John Henry Grafton, 1878-1951. ਀      倀唀䈀䰀䤀匀䠀䔀䐀㨀  䰀漀渀搀漀渀Ⰰ 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀Ⰰ 伀砀昀漀爀搀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 倀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㔀㈀⸀ഊ ਀         吀䤀吀䰀䔀㨀  吀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀爀攀琀猀 漀昀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀ഊ AUTHOR: Constantinus, Pisanus, 13th cent. ਀      倀唀䈀䰀䤀匀䠀䔀䐀㨀  䰀攀椀搀攀渀 㬀 一攀眀 夀漀爀欀 㨀 䔀⸀䨀⸀ 䈀爀椀氀氀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㤀　⸀ഊ ਀         吀䤀吀䰀䔀㨀  吀栀攀 匀甀洀洀愀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀椀漀渀椀猀 漀昀 倀猀攀甀搀漀ⴀ䜀攀戀攀爀 㨀 愀 挀爀椀琀椀挀愀氀 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀Ⰰഊ translation and study ਀         䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  䜀攀戀攀爀Ⰰ ㄀㌀琀栀 挀攀渀琀⸀ഊ PUBLISHED: Leiden ; New York : E.J. Brill, 1991. ਀ഊ TITLE: Vom Hylealischen, das ist, Pri-materialischen catholischen ਀                   漀搀攀爀 愀氀氀最攀洀攀椀渀攀渀 渀愀琀㼀甀爀氀椀挀栀攀渀 䌀栀愀漀猀Ⰰ 搀攀爀 渀愀琀甀爀最攀洀㼀愀猀猀攀渀ഊ Alchymiae und Alchymisten ਀        䄀唀吀䠀伀刀㨀  䬀栀甀渀爀愀琀栀Ⰰ 䠀攀椀渀爀椀挀栀Ⰰ ㄀㔀㘀　ⴀ㄀㘀　㔀⸀ഊ PUBLISHED: Graz, Austria : Akademische Druck- und Verlagsanstalt, 1990. ਀ഊI apologize for only listing English, German, and Latin sources, but these are ਀琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 氀愀渀最甀愀最攀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 挀栀愀渀挀攀 漀昀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 ⠀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䰀愀琀椀渀 漀渀氀礀 ഊwith a Latin/English dictionary by my side). ਀ഊ>know of today came from the misinterpretation of some Greek ਀㸀䜀渀漀猀琀椀挀 眀爀椀琀椀渀最猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 漀昀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 䤀⸀ 椀⸀攀⸀ 琀栀攀 ഊ>point we draw our line in the sand between things period and ਀㸀琀栀椀渀最猀 渀漀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀搀 礀漀甀爀 瀀漀椀渀琀㼀ഊ ਀㸀猀挀愀洀猀⤀ 攀琀挀⸀ 䈀甀琀 ㄀㠀琀栀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 ㈀　琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 琀栀攀漀猀漀瀀栀椀猀洀Ⰰ ഊ>anything dealing with the Rosecutions, Masons, A. Crowley, ਀㸀琀栀攀 䄀⠀琀栀爀攀攀 搀漀琀猀⤀䄀⠀琀栀爀攀攀 搀漀琀猀⤀ 愀渀搀 䜀漀氀搀攀渀 䐀愀眀渀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 愀渀搀 ഊ>almost anything dealing dealing with Kabalistic and ਀㸀䌀栀愀猀猀椀搀椀挀 眀爀椀琀椀渀最 椀猀 愀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀渀搀 愀猀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 ഊ>setting as electric toasters, telephones and plastic. ਀ഊAh, this is your point. So far as I can tell, nobody was advocating study of ਀洀漀搀攀爀渀 洀愀最椀挀愀氀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀 戀甀琀 猀琀甀搀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊperiod. ਀ഊDid anybody mention 18th-century or later traditions or attempting to work ਀洀漀搀攀爀渀 洀愀最椀挀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 琀栀爀攀愀搀㼀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: morganh at teleport.com (Morgan Hall) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Alchemy and Magic in Period ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㄀ 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㔀 　㠀㨀㈀㈀㨀㐀㌀ ⴀ　㜀　　ഊOrganization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 ਀ഊIn article <8AB7593.02DE00A11C.uuout at compudata.com>, ਀䐀䄀嘀䤀䐀 刀䄀娀䰀䔀刀 㰀搀愀瘀椀搀⸀爀愀稀氀攀爀 愀琀 挀漀洀瀀甀搀愀琀愀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>... ਀㸀   䄀栀攀洀Ⰰ 栀洀洀洀Ⰰ 儀唀䔀匀吀䤀伀一 吀䤀䴀䔀㨀 䤀猀渀✀琀 琀栀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 挀漀渀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 ഊ>alchemy and similar stuff OUT OF PERIOD by about 200 years? ਀㸀䐀䔀匀倀䤀吀䔀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 漀昀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 洀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 爀甀渀 椀渀琀漀 ഊ>documentary evidence of the practice of the `science' until ਀㸀愀 瀀漀椀渀琀 瘀攀爀礀 瘀攀爀礀 挀氀漀猀攀 琀漀 漀甀爀 挀甀琀漀昀昀 瀀漀椀渀琀 漀昀 漀甀爀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀⸀ഊ ਀䴀✀氀漀爀搀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀 漀渀 琀栀攀 开洀漀搀攀爀渀开挀漀渀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀开 漀昀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀ⰀഊI would refer you to Biringucchio's _PIROTECHNICA_ (available in ਀琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 䐀漀瘀攀爀 䈀漀漀欀猀⤀ 昀漀爀 愀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊequipment used. True, it's from very late period, but it's one of the ਀攀愀爀氀椀攀猀琀 琀攀挀栀渀椀挀愀氀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀⸀  䠀攀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀攀猀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀攀挀栀渀椀挀愀氀ഊproblems and somehow I doubt that the extensive discussion he presents ਀眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 挀愀甀猀攀搀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 戀礀 愀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 漀爀 爀愀爀攀 瀀栀攀渀漀洀漀渀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀䈀椀爀椀渀最甀挀挀栀椀漀 眀愀猀 愀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀愀氀 洀愀渀⸀  ⠀䤀✀洀 猀甀爀攀 礀漀甀✀搀 最攀琀 愀 昀攀眀 猀洀椀氀攀猀 漀甀琀ഊof his descriptions of alchemy and alchemists) His book shows how to ਀洀愀欀攀 愀渀搀 搀漀 琀栀椀渀最猀⸀  匀漀 昀愀爀Ⰰ 䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 甀猀攀 椀琀 愀猀 愀 洀攀愀渀猀 琀漀ഊsolve many practical problems, and would accept it as an authoritative ਀猀漀甀爀挀攀 昀漀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀猀⸀  吀栀甀猀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 ㄀㔀㐀　ഊor therabouts, we can say that there was at least a market for ਀愀氀挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 攀渀搀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀   䤀昀 眀攀 愀爀攀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 䌀爀漀眀氀攀礀 ⴀ 琀栀愀琀✀猀 䨀漀栀渀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 䄀氀攀欀⸀ 愀琀 栀椀猀 ഊ>word (that he has done research into the origins of the ਀㸀洀漀搀攀爀渀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 ∀洀愀最椀挀欀∀ 椀琀 愀氀氀 漀挀挀甀爀猀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 攀渀搀 漀昀 ഊ>the Renaisance with the "discoveries" of many an allegedly ਀㸀愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 戀漀漀欀 爀愀渀最椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 瀀猀攀甀搀漀 䬀攀礀猀 漀昀 匀漀氀漀洀漀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ഊ>Zohar. know of today came from the misinterpretation of some Greek ਀㸀䜀渀漀猀琀椀挀 眀爀椀琀椀渀最猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 漀昀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 䤀⸀ 椀⸀攀⸀ 琀栀攀 ഊ>point we draw our line in the sand between things period and ਀㸀琀栀椀渀最猀 渀漀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀    圀栀椀氀攀 渀漀琀 攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最椀渀最 漀爀 搀椀猀挀漀甀爀愀最椀渀最 愀渀礀漀渀攀✀猀 昀愀椀琀栀Ⰰ 䤀 ഊ>must point out that only dealings with the alleged ਀㸀猀甀瀀攀爀渀愀琀甀爀愀氀 戀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀猀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 搀漀渀攀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 琀漀 琀栀攀 ഊ>best of one's abilities to properly recreate them. John ਀㸀䐀攀攀✀猀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀洀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 愀猀琀爀漀氀漀最礀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀氀礀 ഊ>acceptable as models, various forms of divination ਀㸀⠀猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀椀渀最氀礀 攀砀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀愀爀漀琀 挀愀爀搀猀 ⴀ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 ഊ>gambling in period, though the Rom did use them in their ਀㸀猀挀愀洀猀⤀ 攀琀挀⸀ 䈀甀琀 ㄀㠀琀栀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 ㈀　琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 琀栀攀漀猀漀瀀栀椀猀洀Ⰰ ഊ>anything dealing with the Rosecutions, Masons, A. Crowley, ਀㸀琀栀攀 䄀⠀琀栀爀攀攀 搀漀琀猀⤀䄀⠀琀栀爀攀攀 搀漀琀猀⤀ 愀渀搀 䜀漀氀搀攀渀 䐀愀眀渀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 愀渀搀 ഊ>almost anything dealing dealing with Kabalistic and ਀㸀䌀栀愀猀猀椀搀椀挀 眀爀椀琀椀渀最 椀猀 愀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀渀搀 愀猀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 ഊ>setting as electric toasters, telephones and plastic. ਀㸀              䤀渀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 愀猀 䄀氀眀愀礀猀                                                                                                            ഊ>Aleksandr the Traveller ਀㸀ഊ ਀䴀甀挀栀 漀昀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 猀愀礀 椀猀 焀甀椀琀攀 琀爀甀攀⸀  䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 椀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 愀昀昀攀挀琀ഊ_period_ practices. The modern stuff is useful only as those who ਀椀渀瘀攀猀琀椀最愀琀攀搀 猀甀挀栀 琀栀椀渀最猀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀⸀  䤀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 洀攀 琀栀愀琀ഊfor persons treading on somewhat shaky ground, that a set of resources ਀愀渀搀 攀砀瀀攀爀琀椀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 栀攀氀瀀 眀攀攀搀 漀甀琀 渀漀渀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀漀渀挀攀瀀琀猀 愀渀搀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀猀ഊwould be quite valuable. Caution, indeed, is in order. Here is a point ਀眀栀攀爀攀 瀀攀攀爀ⴀ爀攀瘀椀攀眀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀 瘀愀氀甀愀戀氀攀 琀漀漀氀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 攀猀琀愀戀氀椀猀栀ഊauthenticity. ਀ഊWell, time to return to the earth, air, water, and fire of the ਀戀氀愀挀欀猀洀椀琀栀 猀栀漀瀀 愀渀搀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 猀漀洀攀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀愀氀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀 眀椀琀栀 愀 栀愀洀洀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀ഊMorgan de Comyn ਀ഊPiper to Clan Hubert and all-around nice guy ਀ⴀⴀ ഊmorganh at teleport.COM ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀愀琀 愀琀 䴀䄀刀嘀䤀一⸀愀洀愀⸀琀琀甀栀猀挀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䌀愀琀栀攀爀椀渀攀 䘀愀戀攀爀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀礀 愀渀搀 䴀愀最椀挀 椀渀 䴀攀搀椀愀攀瘀愀氀 吀椀洀攀猀ഊDate: 22 Jun 1995 17:31:26 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 吀攀砀愀猀 吀攀挀栀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 䠀匀䌀 䄀洀愀爀椀氀氀漀ഊ ਀䈀爀礀愀渀 䴀愀氀漀渀攀礀 ⠀戀樀洀㄀　 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀ऀ⠀猀渀椀瀀⤀ഊ: >a peice on the historical relevance of the source. This way, we have an ਀㨀 㸀攀瘀攀爀 攀砀瀀愀渀搀椀渀最 戀漀搀礀 漀昀 眀漀爀欀 ⠀椀渀猀琀攀愀搀 漀昀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 搀漀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最⤀ 昀爀漀洀ഊ: >which to compare and contrast. ਀ഊ: I suggest that this be done with caution. As a professional molecular ਀㨀 戀椀漀氀漀最椀猀琀 眀栀漀 栀愀猀 爀攀愀搀 猀漀洀攀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀 ⠀愀渀搀 琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀攀搀 愀 氀愀琀攀 愀氀挀栀攀洀攀琀椀挀愀氀 眀漀爀欀 ഊ: into modern English--should I post it or email it?), I must warn people of ਀㨀 瀀漀琀攀渀琀椀愀氀 搀愀渀最攀爀猀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀 椀渀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最猀 甀渀搀攀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 挀漀渀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀㨀ഊ ਀⠀最漀漀搀 最攀渀琀氀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 搀愀渀最攀爀猀 漀昀 栀攀愀瘀礀 洀攀琀愀氀 瀀漀椀猀椀漀渀椀渀最 愀渀搀 攀砀瀀氀漀猀椀漀渀猀⸀⸀⸀⤀ഊ(snip) ਀ഊ I noticed this because I'm just in the process of reading "the ਀䌀愀渀漀渀✀猀 夀攀漀洀愀渀✀猀 吀愀氀攀∀ 昀爀漀洀 吀栀攀 䌀愀渀琀攀爀戀甀爀礀 吀愀氀攀猀 ⠀䈀礀 䌀栀愀甀挀攀爀Ⰰ ㄀㌀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最⤀⸀ഊThe speaker in that story has *plenty* to say on the practice of alchemy, ਀渀漀渀攀 漀昀 椀琀 昀氀愀琀琀攀爀椀渀最⸀  ഊ According to the story, explosions are a regular occurrence, ਀愀渀搀 漀挀挀甀爀 眀椀琀栀 猀甀挀栀 昀漀爀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 眀愀氀氀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀欀爀漀漀洀 洀甀猀琀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀ഊof stone, and metals are frequently driven into the (earthen?) floor. ਀ऀ䌀栀愀甀挀攀爀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀 栀攀愀瘀礀 洀攀琀愀氀 瀀漀椀猀漀渀椀渀最 开瀀攀爀 猀攀开Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊcomments on the general unhealthiness of alchemists... ਀ऀ圀栀椀氀攀 椀琀 椀猀 ⨀昀椀挀琀椀漀渀⨀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 昀漀漀琀渀漀琀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 猀愀礀椀渀最ഊthat as far as modern science historians can make out, Chaucer's descriptions ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀爀攀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 甀爀最攀 礀漀甀 琀漀 甀猀攀 ⨀攀砀琀爀攀洀攀⨀ 挀愀甀琀椀漀渀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 挀愀爀爀礀椀渀最 漀甀琀ഊany "alchemical experiment". ਀ഊ Yours---Myfanwy ferch Tangwystl (mka Cat Faber) ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䈀攀渀渀攀琀琀 㰀洀樀戀 愀琀 攀昀渀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀ഊDate: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 23:09:59 -0700 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 伀爀攀最漀渀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 一攀琀眀漀爀欀椀渀最ഊ ਀䴀䤀匀匀 倀䄀吀刀䤀䌀䤀䄀 䴀 䠀䔀䘀一䔀刀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Does anybody know how you get the equipment and the materials for ਀㸀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀洀攀渀琀猀㼀  䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 搀漀攀猀 愀渀礀戀漀搀礀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀渀礀 最漀漀搀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀ഊ> period alchemy? Merci beaucoup! ਀㸀 ഊ> Isabelle de Foix ਀ഊYou can find an *excellent* Alchemy website at: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀氀攀瘀椀琀礀⸀挀漀洀⼀愀氀挀栀攀洀礀⼀椀渀搀攀砀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀礀 圀攀戀 猀椀琀攀 栀愀猀 愀琀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 ㌀　 洀攀最愀戀礀琀攀猀 漀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀ഊorganised into over 700 ਀椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 瀀愀最攀猀 ⠀眀椀琀栀 ㄀㠀 洀攀最愀戀礀攀猀 漀昀 琀攀砀琀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 㔀　　 最爀愀瀀栀椀挀 椀洀愀最攀猀⸀ ഊHave fun! ਀ⴀⴀ ഊMike Bennett ਀愀欀愀 䈀爀攀渀愀椀渀渀 䴀愀挀䌀甀唀氀愀搀栀 ⠀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 䄀搀椀愀渀琀甀洀Ⰰ 䄀渀吀椀爀⤀ഊaka Crimmy (Forbidden Fruit) ਀洀樀戀 愀琀 攀昀渀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀ഊFrom: sjerkins at worldnet.att.net (Steven Jerkins) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: alchemy questions ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㠀 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀㄀㨀㈀㐀㨀㌀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀伀渀 ㈀㜀 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 ㈀㈀㨀㔀㜀㨀㄀㘀 ⴀ　㐀　　Ⰰ 䠀倀䜀嘀㠀　䐀 愀琀 瀀爀漀搀椀最礀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀䴀䤀匀匀 倀䄀吀刀䤀䌀䤀䄀 䴀ഊHEFNER) wrote: ਀㸀䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀戀漀搀礀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 礀漀甀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀 昀漀爀ഊ>alchemy experiments? Also, does anybody know of any good books on ਀㸀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀㼀 䴀攀爀挀椀 戀攀愀甀挀漀甀瀀℀ഊ> ਀㸀䤀猀愀戀攀氀氀攀 搀攀 䘀漀椀砀ഊ>Shire of Misty Mere ਀㸀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䴀攀爀椀搀椀攀猀ഊ ਀䜀攀琀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 ∀吀栀攀 䴀漀搀攀爀渀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀椀猀琀∀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 椀琀 愀琀 栀愀渀搀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀ഊyou the author and ISBN. ਀        吀栀愀琀 最椀瘀攀猀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 琀攀爀洀椀渀漀氀漀最礀 昀漀爀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊseem so cryptic in old texts and a bibliography of where to get modern ਀攀焀甀椀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀匀琀攀瘀攀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: azdeg at imap1.asu.edu ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: alchemy questions ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㤀 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀 　㔀㨀　㤀㨀㄀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Arizona State University ਀ഊjames koch (alchem at en.com) wrote: ਀㨀 㸀 㸀䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀戀漀搀礀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 礀漀甀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀 昀漀爀ഊ: > >alchemy experiments? Also, does anybody know of any good books on ਀㨀 㸀 㸀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀㼀 䴀攀爀挀椀 戀攀愀甀挀漀甀瀀℀ഊ: > > ਀㨀 㸀 㸀䤀猀愀戀攀氀氀攀 搀攀 䘀漀椀砀ഊ: > >Shire of Misty Mere ਀㨀 㸀 㸀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䴀攀爀椀搀椀攀猀ഊ: > ਀㨀 䐀攀愀爀 䴀猀⸀ 搀攀 䘀漀椀砀Ⰰ  䌀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀 猀甀瀀瀀氀礀 栀漀甀猀攀猀 眀椀氀氀 猀攀氀氀 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀 琀漀 瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀ഊ: individuals, but will no longer sell chemicals. This is due to recent ਀㨀 䔀倀䄀 琀礀瀀攀 氀攀最椀猀氀愀琀椀漀渀 ⠀愀 氀漀渀最 猀琀漀爀礀⤀⸀  䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀 挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀ഊ: to the alchemists of the renaissance may still be found in bulk in ਀㨀 栀愀爀搀眀愀爀攀 猀琀漀爀攀猀 愀渀搀 椀渀搀甀猀琀爀椀愀氀 猀甀瀀瀀氀礀 栀漀甀猀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀琀 愀 洀甀挀栀 氀漀眀攀爀 瀀爀椀挀攀⸀ ഊ: Stop at a drug store and ask the pharmacist for an old pharmacy ਀㨀 猀甀瀀瀀氀礀 挀愀琀愀氀漀最⸀  吀栀攀猀攀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀 愀氀氀 猀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀 瀀愀爀愀瀀栀攀爀渀愀氀椀愀ഊ: (thank good ness for dictionaries!) which they display as decorations. ਀㨀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀猀漀 昀漀甀渀搀 昀氀愀猀欀猀Ⰰ 戀攀愀欀攀爀猀Ⰰ 洀漀爀琀愀爀猀 ☀ 瀀攀猀琀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 氀椀欀攀 椀渀ഊ: second hand stores. ਀㨀       䄀 琀栀椀爀搀 爀漀甀琀攀 椀猀 琀漀 猀礀渀琀栀攀猀椀稀攀 礀漀甀爀 漀眀渀 挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀猀 愀渀搀 洀愀欀攀 礀漀甀爀ഊ: own equipment. Alcohol lamps, alembics, mortars and many other pieces ਀㨀 漀昀 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 愀猀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀猀琀⸀  ഊ: If you are seriously interested in alchemy please e-mail me at ਀㨀 ∀愀氀挀栀攀洀 愀琀 攀渀⸀挀漀洀∀ 漀爀 猀琀漀瀀 愀琀 洀礀 挀愀洀瀀 ⠀倀攀渀琀眀礀瘀攀爀渀⠀䌀栀爀椀猀琀洀愀猀 椀渀 倀攀渀琀眀礀瘀攀爀渀Ⰰഊ: men without pants & ...)) at Pennsic. Gladius ਀ഊYou can also usually find mortars and pestles at any herbalist shop (or ਀漀爀最愀渀椀挀 昀漀漀搀 挀漀ⴀ漀瀀⤀⸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:36:19 -0400 (EDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 刀漀漀猀挀挀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 愀氀攀洀戀椀挀猀ഊ ਀䄀氀攀洀戀椀挀猀 愀爀攀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 猀琀椀氀氀 愀猀 礀漀甀 最甀攀猀猀攀搀⸀ഊEarly alembics were made in two pieces: a round bowl ਀戀漀琀琀漀洀 瀀愀爀琀 愀渀搀 愀 挀漀渀攀ⴀ猀栀愀瀀攀搀 琀漀瀀 瀀愀爀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀渀攀 栀愀搀ഊa lip on the inside and a drainage hole or spout. ਀ഊThe herb and water were placed in the bowl and heated. ਀吀栀攀 猀琀攀愀洀 爀漀猀攀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀攀Ⰰ 挀漀渀搀攀渀猀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀猀Ⰰഊran down into the lip and dripped out the spout into another ਀挀漀渀琀愀椀渀攀爀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 眀愀琀攀爀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀搀搀攀搀 琀漀 愀 昀爀攀猀栀 戀愀琀挀栀ഊof herbs and the process repeated again (and again) ਀昀漀爀 愀 猀琀爀漀渀最攀爀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀⸀ 夀漀甀 挀愀渀 搀漀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最 戀礀ഊcollecting the condensation on a glass pot lid. ਀ഊVery early distillation wasn't distillation as we use ਀琀栀攀 琀攀爀洀⸀ 䤀琀 氀椀琀攀爀愀氀氀礀 洀攀愀渀猀 ∀搀爀漀瀀 戀礀 搀爀漀瀀∀⸀ 䄀瘀椀挀攀渀渀愀ഊadvises making waters by distillation, but describes ਀愀 昀椀氀琀攀爀椀渀最 猀礀猀琀攀洀⸀ 倀甀琀 琀栀攀 栀攀爀戀 愀渀搀 眀愀琀攀爀 椀渀 漀渀攀ഊcontainer. Dip a piece of wool (raw, but a piece of cloth ਀眀椀氀氀 眀漀爀欀⤀ 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 氀椀焀甀椀搀 愀渀搀 栀愀渀最 椀琀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 攀搀最攀ഊof the container, so it can drip into another container. ਀䄀猀 琀栀攀 眀愀琀攀爀 搀爀椀瀀猀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 攀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀漀氀Ⰰ 洀漀爀攀 眀愀琀攀爀ഊis drawn up the other end of the wool which remains ਀猀甀戀洀攀爀最攀搀⸀ ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 洀攀琀栀漀搀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 洀愀欀攀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 猀琀爀漀渀最氀礀 猀挀攀渀琀攀搀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀Ⰰ ഊbut it is capable of filtering out the plant material. (Not ਀愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 愀 挀漀昀昀攀攀 昀椀氀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀⸀⤀  䤀琀 椀猀 愀渀 攀愀猀礀 愀渀搀 昀甀渀ഊexperiment and could be used as a "period" air freshener. ਀ഊIn case someone is interested: ਀䈀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀搀攀渀猀椀渀最 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 愀氀攀洀戀椀挀猀ഊis not very sophisticated, you most likely would not ਀最攀琀 ∀攀猀猀攀渀琀椀愀氀 漀椀氀猀∀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 瘀漀氀愀琀椀氀攀 漀椀氀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 漀昀琀攀渀 ⠀戀甀琀ഊnot in all cases) are the fragrance of the plant. "Essential ਀漀椀氀猀∀ 愀爀攀 漀昀琀攀渀 琀爀攀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 栀攀爀戀愀氀椀猀琀猀 愀猀 ∀琀栀攀ഊessence of all the good stuff" in a plant--which is ਀猀琀爀攀琀挀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 愀 最漀漀搀 戀椀琀⸀ 䤀琀 椀猀 愀 瀀攀爀昀甀洀攀爀猀✀ഊterm. ਀ഊVolatile oils are substances which evaporate at a ਀氀漀眀攀爀 琀攀洀瀀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 眀愀琀攀爀ⴀⴀ眀栀礀 眀攀 挀愀渀 猀洀攀氀氀 栀攀爀戀猀 ഊand flowers ;-). This is what's behind the instructions on ਀眀栀攀渀 琀漀 栀愀爀瘀攀猀琀 栀攀爀戀猀ⴀⴀ漀渀 愀 猀甀渀渀礀 洀漀爀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 愀昀琀攀爀ഊthe dew has dried. The idea is to catch the plant before ਀琀栀攀猀攀 昀爀愀最爀愀渀挀攀 漀椀氀猀 栀愀瘀攀 搀椀猀瀀攀爀猀攀搀⸀ 䤀渀 搀椀猀琀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀栀攀渀Ⰰ ഊthe oils are released before the steam, and because they ਀愀爀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 椀渀 瘀攀爀礀 猀洀愀氀氀 焀甀愀渀琀椀琀椀攀猀 椀琀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀 琀漀ഊcollect them. ਀ഊWhile the tendency is to equate the fragrance with the ਀愀挀琀椀瘀攀 瀀爀椀渀挀椀瀀氀攀猀 椀渀 栀攀爀戀猀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀ഊthe case. ਀ഊAlysoun ਀䴀椀搀搀氀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:12:23 -0700 (PDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀愀琀栀攀爀椀渀攀 搀攀匀琀攀攀氀攀 㰀搀攀猀琀攀攀氀攀 愀琀 渀攀琀挀漀洀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀氀攀洀戀椀挀猀 㼀㼀㼀㼀ഊ ਀伀渀 吀栀甀Ⰰ 㔀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㜀Ⰰ 䴀愀爀最爀椀琀琀攀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Anyone know what an alembic is? From the context, I assume that it must be ਀㸀 猀漀洀攀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 猀洀愀氀氀 猀琀椀氀氀Ⰰ 愀猀 椀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 洀愀欀椀渀最 爀漀猀攀眀愀琀攀爀⸀ 䤀✀搀 瘀攀爀礀ഊ> much like to find a description and/or pictures (maybe woodcuts from texts ਀㸀 漀渀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀㼀⤀ 猀栀漀眀椀渀最 漀爀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 愀渀 愀氀攀洀戀椀挀⸀ 䌀愀渀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 栀攀氀瀀 洀攀 漀甀琀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 ⴀ䴀愀爀最爀椀琀琀攀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀✀猀 愀 氀漀瘀攀氀礀 戀漀漀欀 漀甀琀Ⰰ ∀匀攀挀爀攀琀猀 䘀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 匀琀椀氀氀∀Ⰰ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀✀猀 ഊname is Grace Firth. Very readable, good historical section, incluing ਀眀漀漀搀挀甀琀猀 漀昀 愀渀 愀氀攀洀戀椀瘀Ⰰ 愀 栀攀氀洀攀琀 猀琀椀氀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 最漀漀搀椀攀猀⸀ 䌀栀攀挀欀 礀漀甀爀 ഊlibrary! Catherine deSteele ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 伀挀琀 ㈀　　　 ㈀　㨀㈀㔀㨀㔀㔀 ⬀　㈀　　ഊFrom: "Cindy M. Renfrow" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 渀椀昀琀礀 猀椀琀攀ഊ ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀氀攀瘀椀琀礀⸀挀漀洀⼀愀氀挀栀攀洀礀⼀椀洀愀最攀猀开猀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊAlchemical symbolism, imagery and music - has lots of pictures of ਀最氀愀猀猀眀愀爀攀Ⰰ 氀愀戀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ ⠀☀ 一椀挀漀氀愀猀 䘀氀愀洀攀氀 琀漀漀⤀ഊ ਀䌀椀渀搀礀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: rcmann4 at earthlink.net ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊDate: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:57:31 -0400 ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 刀攀㨀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 儀甀椀渀琀攀 䔀猀猀攀渀挀攀ഊ ਀伀渀 ㄀㘀 䨀甀渀 　㄀ⰀⰀ 吀攀搀 䔀椀猀攀渀猀琀攀椀渀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> I came across a reference to this earlier today. A vague memory suggests that > this may be a book about eating, or cooking, or even possibly vintning, ਀㸀 戀爀攀眀椀渀最Ⰰ 栀攀爀戀愀氀椀猀洀Ⰰ 漀爀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 眀愀礀 瘀愀最甀攀氀礀 挀漀渀渀攀挀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 挀漀漀欀椀渀最 漀爀ഊ> gardening. Does anyone hereabouts know what it is? ਀㸀 䘀甀爀渀椀瘀愀氀氀Ⰰ 䘀⸀䨀⸀Ⰰ 攀搀⸀Ⰰ 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 儀甀椀渀琀攀 䔀猀猀攀渀挀攀 匀氀漀愀渀攀 䴀匀 㜀㌀ ⠀䤀琀✀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊ> Early English Text Society series.) ਀㸀ഊ> Alban ਀ഊThere's a transcription of it here: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀琀椀最攀爀搀攀渀⸀挀漀洀⼀縀氀椀氀椀琀栀⼀䰀椀戀爀愀爀礀⼀唀渀欀渀漀眀渀⼀焀甀椀渀琀攀猀猀⸀栀琀洀氀ഊ ਀匀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀渀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀 琀爀攀愀琀椀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Bronwynmgn at aol.com ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㈀㘀 一漀瘀 ㈀　　㄀ ㈀㄀㨀　　㨀㐀㐀 䔀匀吀ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] ivory reworked ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀洀愀爀欀⸀猀⸀栀愀爀爀椀猀 愀琀 洀漀琀漀爀漀氀愀⸀挀漀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> Ok. And what are "bezoar stones"? ਀ഊNot a Harry Potter fan, eh? Professor Snape asks Harry where he would find ਀愀 戀攀稀漀愀爀 搀甀爀椀渀最 䠀愀爀爀礀✀猀 昀椀爀猀琀 瀀漀琀椀漀渀猀 挀氀愀猀猀 ⠀愀猀 愀 眀愀礀 漀昀 琀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ∀渀攀眀ഊcelebrity" down a notch). The answer is that it is a stone found in the ਀猀琀漀洀愀挀栀 漀昀 愀 最漀愀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀椀氀氀 瀀爀漀琀攀挀琀 礀漀甀 昀爀漀洀 洀漀猀琀 瀀漀椀猀漀渀猀⸀  吀栀愀琀✀猀 琀栀攀ഊperiod answer, by the way. So I guess it's effectively a goat's gallstone. ਀ഊBrangwayna Morgan ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䜀爀愀挀攀 䰀漀攀栀爀∀ 㰀搀椀瘀椀渀攀最爀愀挀椀攀 愀琀 攀愀爀琀栀氀椀渀欀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀礀 ☀ 栀攀爀洀攀琀椀挀 瀀栀椀氀漀猀漀瀀栀礀ഊDate: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 04:55:46 GMT ਀ഊ"Jeff Foehringer" wrote: ਀㸀 䤀 愀洀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 最漀漀搀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 漀渀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀搀氀攀 愀最攀猀 ☀ഊ>renaissance, particularly as it applied to hermetic philosophy. I'm having ਀㸀愀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀 琀椀洀攀 昀椀渀搀椀渀最 愀渀礀 戀漀漀欀猀 椀渀 瀀爀椀渀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀⸀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀攀✀猀 洀礀 琀眀漀 挀攀渀琀猀✀ 眀漀爀琀栀㬀 椀昀 礀漀甀✀瘀攀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀 漀爀 爀攀愀搀 琀栀攀猀攀 戀漀漀欀猀Ⰰഊthen disregard: ਀ഊI know of a few books on this topic; they're more philosophical and ਀栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 漀瘀攀爀瘀椀攀眀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀攀爀洀攀琀椀挀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 愀渀琀椀焀甀椀琀礀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀漀甀琀 琀栀攀ഊmedieval and Renaissance periods, rather than sources for specific, "how to" ਀洀愀渀甀愀氀猀 昀漀爀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 漀昀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀 㨀 琀眀漀 戀礀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀猀 䄀⸀ 夀愀琀攀猀Ⰰ ∀䜀椀漀爀搀愀渀漀 䈀爀甀渀漀ഊand the Hermetic Tradition" (Univ of Chicago Press, 1991), and "The Art of ਀䴀攀洀漀爀礀∀  ⠀唀渀椀瘀 漀昀 䌀栀椀挀愀最漀 倀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㘀㘀⤀⸀ 䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 椀猀 䤀漀愀渀 倀⸀ 䌀漀甀氀椀愀渀漀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 栀愀猀ഊa book translated into English, "Eros and Magic in the Renaissance" (Univ of ਀䌀栀椀挀愀最漀 倀爀爀猀猀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㠀㜀⤀⸀  䤀 栀愀搀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 挀氀愀猀猀 昀爀漀洀 䴀爀⸀ 䌀漀甀氀椀愀渀漀 椀渀ഊthe mid-'80's at Univ of Chicago Divinity School on this topic, which is ਀眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 爀攀愀搀 琀栀攀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀猀 夀愀琀攀猀 ∀䄀爀琀 漀昀 䴀攀洀漀爀礀∀ 戀漀漀欀⸀  伀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 戀漀漀欀猀ഊfrom this class was "The Occult Sciences of the Renaissance: A Study in ਀䤀渀琀攀氀氀攀挀琀甀愀氀 倀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀∀ 戀礀 圀愀礀渀攀 匀挀栀甀洀愀欀攀爀 ⠀唀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀 倀爀攀猀猀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㜀㈀⤀⸀ഊ ਀㸀   䤀✀氀氀 琀愀欀攀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀愀琀椀漀渀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀渀礀漀渀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀 栀漀瀀椀渀最 琀漀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 琀眀漀ഊ>individuals in particular. ਀㸀   伀渀攀 椀猀 愀 最攀渀琀氀攀 眀栀漀 琀愀甀最栀琀 琀栀爀攀攀 挀氀愀猀猀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀Ⰰ 洀愀渀礀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀猀 愀最漀ഊ>(Pennsic 22). I believe his name is Beorthwine of Grafham Wood. ਀㸀     吀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀猀 䤀猀漀氀琀 氀愀 䜀愀甀渀琀ⴀ刀漀甀猀猀攀氀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 䴀椀搀漀爀椀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 琀愀甀最栀琀 愀 挀氀愀猀猀ഊ>on hermetic theory and neoplatonism at Pennsic 24. ਀ഊIf you contact these indviduals, and get further information, would you mind ਀猀栀愀爀椀渀最 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀㼀  ⠀䈀礀 攀洀愀椀氀Ⰰ 戀攀氀漀眀⸀⤀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀猀Ⰰ ഊJuliana, Lost In Byzantium/Grace ਀ ⴀⴀ ഊGrace Loehr ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀匀琀攀瘀攀渀 䠀⸀ 䴀攀猀渀椀挀欀∀ 㰀猀琀攀昀昀愀渀 愀琀 瀀漀戀漀砀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀礀 ☀ 栀攀爀洀攀琀椀挀 瀀栀椀氀漀猀漀瀀栀礀ഊDate: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:44:40 GMT ਀ഊ> I am looking for some good sources on alchemy in the middle ages & ਀㸀 爀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 愀猀 椀琀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀搀 琀漀 栀攀爀洀攀琀椀挀 瀀栀椀氀漀猀漀瀀栀礀⸀  䤀✀洀 栀愀瘀椀渀最ഊ> a difficult time finding any books in print on the subject. ਀ഊCheck out Samuel Weiser Publishing of York Beach ME, at ਀㰀眀眀眀⸀眀攀椀猀攀爀戀漀漀欀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀⸀ഊThey're probably the foremost publishers of hermetic/esoteric books in ਀琀栀攀 唀匀⸀ഊ-- ਀㴀㴀㴀 䈀愀爀漀渀 匀琀攀昀昀愀渀 愀瀀 䬀攀渀渀礀搀搀Ⰰ 倀攀氀Ⰰ 䘀椀爀攀戀爀愀渀搀 䠀攀爀⸀ 䔀砀琀⸀ 㴀㴀㴀ഊ Silverwing's Laws: http://pobox.com/~steffan/laws.html ਀                䈀爀椀搀最攀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀 ⠀刀䤀Ⰰ 唀匀䄀⤀ഊ Are you on the Rolls Ethereal? You should be! ਀                㰀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀眀愀欀猀⸀漀爀最⼀爀漀氀氀猀㸀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:11:21 -0400 (EDT) ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀攀渀渀攀 䠀攀椀猀攀 㰀樀攀渀渀攀 愀琀 洀愀椀氀⸀戀爀漀眀猀攀爀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ku.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀礀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀㬀 䤀 瀀氀愀渀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 洀礀 栀愀渀搀猀 漀渀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀 欀渀漀眀ഊ> it's perfectly allright if you go to a scadian and say "hey my ਀㸀 愀爀琀 椀猀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀∀ ⴀⴀ 戀甀琀 眀栀愀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 爀漀氀攀瀀氀愀礀椀渀最㼀 ഊ ਀倀爀愀挀琀椀挀椀渀最 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 愀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀ഊwierd hobby... Take a look at John French's _Art of Distillation_ ਀圀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 戀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀愀氀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀猀 漀昀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀㨀ഊhttp://www.library.upenn.edu/etext/collections/smith/french/ ਀ഊAlso see this history of alchemy: ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀攀琀攀砀琀⸀氀椀戀⸀瘀椀爀最椀渀椀愀⸀攀搀甀⼀攀琀挀戀椀渀⼀琀漀挀挀攀爀ⴀ渀攀眀㈀㼀椀搀㴀䐀栀椀䄀氀挀栀⸀猀最洀☀椀洀愀最攀猀㴀椀洀愀最攀猀⼀洀漀搀攀渀最☀搀愀琀愀㴀⼀琀攀砀琀猀⼀攀渀最氀椀猀栀⼀洀漀搀攀渀最⼀瀀愀爀猀攀搀☀琀愀最㴀瀀甀戀氀椀挀☀瀀愀爀琀㴀㄀☀搀椀瘀椀猀椀漀渀㴀搀椀瘀㄀ഊ ਀匀漀 漀渀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 搀愀戀戀氀攀 椀渀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀Ⰰ 瀀爀攀猀甀洀愀戀氀礀Ⰰ 愀猀 氀漀渀最 愀猀 漀渀攀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 ✀最漀 漀瘀攀爀ഊthe line'... ਀ഊ-- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, mka Jennifer Heise jenne at mail.browser.net ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㌀　 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㈀ 　㤀㨀㌀㄀㨀㄀㜀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Pafra & Scott Catledge" ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀欀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: Alchemy ਀ഊNote that John French dates to 1650--very late in the gray ਀愀爀攀愀 ⠀愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 甀猀攀 栀椀洀 洀礀猀攀氀昀 昀漀爀 愀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀⤀⸀  䠀椀猀ഊpractices update but are substantially based on the much ਀攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 䄀爀渀愀氀搀甀猀 搀攀 嘀椀氀氀愀 一漀瘀愀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀 琀栀攀ഊproduction of a substance (alcohol) from many forms of ਀氀椀瘀椀渀最 洀愀琀琀攀爀⸀  䠀攀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 琀栀攀 昀椀昀琀栀 攀猀猀攀渀琀椀愀氀ഊelement, joining air, earth, fire, and water. ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㌀　 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㈀ 　㤀㨀㈀㔀㨀㈀㘀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Pafra & Scott Catledge" ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀欀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: Alchemy ਀ഊ>I have a question; I plan to put my hands on alchemy, and I know ਀㸀 椀琀✀猀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀氀礀 愀氀氀爀椀最栀琀 椀昀 礀漀甀 最漀 琀漀 愀 猀挀愀搀椀愀渀 愀渀搀 猀愀礀 ∀栀攀礀 洀礀ഊ> art is alchemy" -- but what about roleplaying? I mean, if someone's ਀㸀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀 眀愀猀 愀 眀椀琀挀栀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀漀 戀甀爀渀 栀攀爀ഊ> and have a fiesta, or they could ask her "ok, so show us". ਀㸀 匀愀洀攀 琀栀椀渀最 愀猀 眀攀 愀氀氀 瀀氀愀礀 渀漀戀氀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 ⨀最甀渀搀爀椀搀ഊ ਀䤀 愀洀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀⸀  䤀 昀爀攀攀氀礀 愀搀洀椀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊburning witches was as common as impaling homosexuals. but ਀眀栀愀琀 搀漀攀猀 愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 愀氀挀栀攀洀礀㼀  䄀氀挀栀攀洀礀 眀愀猀ഊa series of chemical operations guided by theories of the ਀渀愀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 洀愀琀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀攀搀 戀礀 愀猀琀爀漀氀漀最椀挀愀氀 愀渀搀⼀漀爀ഊreligious ideas--Hellenistic, Islamic, Nestorian, and ਀挀甀氀洀椀渀愀琀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀欀猀 漀昀 䄀爀渀愀氀搀甀猀 搀攀 嘀椀氀氀愀 一漀瘀愀Ⰰ 䄀氀戀攀爀琀甀猀ഊMagnus, and Roger Bacon. I am not familiar with any ਀眀椀搀攀猀瀀爀攀愀搀 圀椀挀挀愀渀 戀攀氀椀攀昀猀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀椀渀最 琀栀攀 渀愀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 洀愀琀琀攀爀ഊand its transmutation. I can tell you that alchemists did ਀渀漀琀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀 琀栀攀椀爀 眀漀爀欀ⴀⴀ攀瘀攀渀 眀椀琀栀 漀琀栀攀爀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀猀琀猀㨀  愀氀氀ഊknowledge acquired was considered a closely held trade ਀猀攀挀爀攀琀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 琀爀甀氀礀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 漀渀攀 搀愀礀 礀漀甀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊdiscover how to change lead into gold, would you run around ਀猀栀愀爀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀 猀攀挀爀攀琀猀 愀渀搀 爀椀猀欀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 戀攀愀琀椀渀最 礀漀甀 琀漀 礀漀甀爀ഊdreams of wealth and power? When a SCAdian alchemists role ਀瀀氀愀礀猀Ⰰ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 爀漀氀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 爀攀氀愀琀攀 琀漀 琀栀愀琀 漀昀 愀ഊdyer or metal caster--the two most common related trades by ਀眀栀椀挀栀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀猀琀猀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀攀搀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀⸀  伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀ഊdyers and all metal casters kept the details of their work ਀琀漀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀⸀  䤀渀 猀栀漀爀琀Ⰰ 愀渀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀猀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 ∀瀀愀猀猀∀ 愀猀 愀ഊself-educated skilled tradesperson (who would not boast of ਀戀攀椀渀最 氀椀琀攀爀愀琀攀⤀ 漀爀 愀猀 愀渀 攀搀甀挀愀琀攀搀 渀漀戀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 瘀椀猀椀戀氀攀ഊconnection to anything alchemical. As a woman, I would ਀猀甀最最攀猀琀 搀礀攀爀 愀猀 礀漀甀爀 挀漀瘀攀爀 漀挀挀甀瀀愀琀椀漀渀㬀 愀猀 愀 渀漀戀氀攀眀漀洀愀渀Ⰰ 礀漀甀ഊcould get away with reading current works on general alchemy ਀愀渀搀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 瀀栀椀氀漀猀漀瀀栀椀挀愀氀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 渀愀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 洀愀琀琀攀爀ഊwith other ladies so inclined. ਀ഊColm Dubh ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㌀　 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㈀ ㄀　㨀㌀㄀㨀㔀　 ⴀ　㔀　　 ഊFrom: "Pafra & Scott Catledge" ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀欀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀 ഊSubject: Re: Alchemy ਀ഊ> > and its transmutation. I can tell you that alchemists did ਀㸀 㸀 渀漀琀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀 琀栀攀椀爀 眀漀爀欀ⴀⴀ攀瘀攀渀 眀椀琀栀 漀琀栀攀爀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀猀琀猀㨀  愀氀氀ഊ> > knowledge acquired was considered a closely held trade ਀㸀 㸀 猀攀挀爀攀琀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 唀洀⸀ 䐀甀洀戀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀㨀 椀昀 愀氀挀栀攀洀椀猀琀猀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀 琀栀攀椀爀 眀漀爀欀Ⰰ 栀漀眀 挀漀洀攀 琀栀攀爀攀ഊ> are printed books from our period (pre 1600) on it? ਀㸀 ⴀⴀഊ> Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, mka Jennifer Heise ਀ഊNot a dumb question at all. The notebooks kept by alchemists used allegorical or made-up names for every apparatus, procedure, or reagent used in order to confuse even fellow alchemists who could only guess--only the seven metals (gold, silver, copper, tin, mercury, iron, lead--corresponding to the seven heavenly bodies:(sun , moon, and five planets) were commonly identified by common astrological symbols. Such manuscripts were usually attributed to a classical, mythological, or Biblical hero and were frequently distributed after the death of the alchemist. ਀ഊThe confusion found in many early manuscripts was compounded when the mystical alchemists added their philosophy and interpretation to such writings. The Physica et Mystica, the writings of Zosimus of Panopolis, and 40-odd other manuscripts of the 3rd-6th century were collected in Constantinople around the 7th-8th. The results are very difficult to read or translate and harder to interpret. The works of later alchemists were normally available only after their deaths: the works of Arnaldus de Villa Nova were published several centuries later. ਀ഊNote that the common man and the noble were essentially illiterate in period, and the greatest library in England might have a few hundred books until after the printing press. Just because a book was in someone's library did not mean that anyone had read it--much less that the information was up for common knowledge. ਀ഊColm ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㌀㄀ 䄀甀最 ㈀　　㈀ 　㔀㨀㄀㠀㨀㐀㌀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Patricia Hefner" ਀吀漀㨀 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀欀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊSubject: Re: Alchemy ਀ഊI have a primary alchemy source on my site. It's called "the Book of ਀儀甀椀渀琀攀猀猀攀渀挀攀∀ 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 愀爀漀甀渀搀  ㄀㐀㔀　⸀ 吀栀攀 唀刀䰀 椀猀ഊhttp://scholar76.tripod.com/castle2/ ਀愀渀搀 ∀儀甀椀渀琀攀猀猀攀渀挀攀∀ 椀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 挀愀琀攀最漀爀礀Ⰰ ∀䜀攀渀攀爀愀氀 刀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀∀⸀ഊ ਀䤀猀愀戀攀氀氀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:54:07 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀愀搀眀椀最愀 娀愀樀愀挀稀欀漀眀愀 ⼀ 䨀攀渀渀攀 䠀攀椀猀攀 㰀樀攀渀渀攀 愀琀 昀椀攀搀氀攀爀昀愀洀椀氀礀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊSubject: [SCA-AS] [jahb at Lehigh.EDU: IRN: Alchemy] ਀吀漀㨀 匀䌀䄀 䠀攀爀戀愀氀椀猀琀 氀椀猀琀 㰀匀䌀䄀ⴀ䠀攀爀戀愀氀椀猀琀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀最爀漀甀瀀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀Ⰰऀ䄀爀琀猀 愀渀搀ഊ Sciences in the SCA ਀ഊReviewed on Internet Resource Newsletter... ਀ഊALCHEMY ਀ഊhttp://www.cix.co.uk/~apritchard/ ਀ഊ?The major bibliography on alchemy (Alchemy: a bibliography of ਀䔀渀最氀椀猀栀ⴀ氀愀渀最甀愀最攀 眀爀椀琀椀渀最猀⤀ 椀猀 琀漀 戀攀 甀瀀搀愀琀攀搀 愀渀搀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 漀渀 愀 眀攀戀 ഊsite as the 2nd (Internet) edition. ਀ഊIt is very much an ongoing project and will be focussing on new ਀洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀 眀攀愀氀琀栀 漀昀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 洀愀搀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 ഊInternet. Material from the 1st edition will gradually be ਀椀渀挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 漀爀搀攀爀 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 愀 挀漀洀瀀爀攀栀攀渀猀椀瘀攀 爀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀 漀渀 戀漀琀栀 琀栀攀 ഊalchemical and Hermetic source literature, and the influences of ਀愀氀挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 愀渀搀 椀洀愀最攀爀礀 漀渀 洀愀渀礀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀猀 漀昀 圀攀猀琀攀爀渀 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀⸀㼀ഊ----- End forwarded message ----- ਀ⴀⴀ ഊ-- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㄀ 一漀瘀 ㈀　　㐀 ㄀㈀㨀㌀㌀㨀㐀㔀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Martin G. Diehl" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 䄀氀挀栀攀洀礀ഊTo: SCA-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀䌀挀㨀 䈀攀琀栀䄀渀渀 䄀 䈀爀攀琀琀攀爀 㰀戀攀琀栀愀渀渀⸀戀爀攀琀琀攀爀 愀琀 戀洀猀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊ ਀䈀攀琀栀䄀渀渀 䄀 䈀爀攀琀琀攀爀✀猀 刀愀瘀攀渀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 眀栀椀猀瀀攀爀攀搀㨀ഊ ਀ऀ䤀爀漀渀椀挀愀氀氀礀 攀渀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀猀琀 猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 昀漀爀 栀攀爀戀愀氀椀猀洀ഊ info I came upon this website which has some of ਀ऀ琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 椀渀琀爀椀最甀椀渀最 䄀氀挀栀攀洀椀挀愀氀 琀攀砀琀猀 戀漀琀栀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊ and post-period. ਀ഊ Including one from Arnald de Villanova. ਀ഊ http://www.levity.com/alchemy/index.html ਀ഊ Peyton ਀ഊVincenzo ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ愀氀挀栀攀洀礀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 ㈀　 漀昀 ㈀　ഊ ਊ