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dog-carts-msg - 6/14/15


Medieval dog carts.


NOTE: See also the files: Dog-Carts-art, Dog-Pak-Sadle-art, carts-msg, Cart4Pennsic-art, wheelbarrows-msg, medieval-dogs-art, dogs-msg.





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   Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

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To: gleannabhann at yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: Gee Haw

Posted by: "Judith Wilkinson" judith_of_troll_fen at yahoo.com judith_of_troll_fen

Date: Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:25 pm ((PST))


From: Catherine Koehler <hccartck at yahoo.com>

<<< In starting to train my newest dog to hopefully be a cart puller, I have gotten all the info from Stefan and others an I'm told to teach him to gee and haw.  Well, this got me to wondering...I know we have used those terms here in the states for a few hundred years but were those the actual words used in medieval days?  Does anyone have a clue?  


I'd like to teach a medievally correct term from the beginning so any other options would be greatly appreciated!


Aine >>>


One clue can be found in the Oxford English Dictionary, which lists word origins and first occurences of words in written sources.  

gee - a word of command to a horse, variously (in different localities) used to direct it to turn to the right, to go forward, or to move faster.

1628 - "...gee and ree..."

1655 - "..gee and whoe.."

So, in the SCA period, another pair of words were used.

You might find the period terms in writings about horses / mules / etc. as pullers, rather than dogs.



From the FB Medieval Dog Carting group:

Rachael Bhakail

While not period, I thought the Heineken beer dog cart could be fun for a "roaming beer party" at Pennsic. http://www.modelbouwers.nl/afbhoutbouw/4037007.gif

September 14 at 2:04pm


Catherine Koehler


September 14 at 2:51pm


Mark S. Harris

Even on the Serengetti you'd need several big dogs or a couple of strong squires. Forget about hauling it up that $%^& hill. If the squires are drunk, you might be able to save and feed them or the dogs the same kibbles.


Rachael Bhakail

You are right. It is a design from Holland, which is known for being flat....


Mark S. Harris

Yep. The other problem is getting a hold of a good barrel at a reasonable cost. I assume that for beer you probably wouldn't want one of the barrels from the whiskey factories which are charred inside and also have been soaking in whiskey/bourbon. If anyone knows of some cheap wooden, or wooden-look-like barrels, I'd love to hear of it. A two gallon one might be great on my wagon for water bearing.


Rachael Bhakail

Plans for late 19th century dog and goat carts can be found on this Dutch web site. Some of the carts are dead ringers for carts found in period manuscript illuminations. You may have to use a web language translator to help navigate the web site. Honden = dog, Hondenkar = dog cart



Courtney Anderson



   [This is a very good article on a variety of dog harnesses, including a carting harness - Stefan]


Gerald Goodwine    

5:16am Oct 2

Of English Dogs by Johannes Caios written between 1564 and 1555 tells of the tinkers cur who carried large budgets of tools and Agricola in De Re Metalica (1556) used dogs to backpack large bags up mountain sides where mules could not go. The bags were filled with ore and drug back down.


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