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Casting, contstruction and use of medieval bells. Bell sources.

 

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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.crafts.metalworking

From: mcdaniel at convex.com (Tim McDaniel)

Subject: Bell sources

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 00:18:26 GMT

Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA

 

I posted a while ago asking about bells, especially for tower use.  Many

thanks to those who so kindly responded.  Here's some of the information

I've found so far.  [Please note the cross-posting to rec.org.sca and

rec.crafts.metalworking.]

 

MISCELLANEOUS SOURCES (I haven't checked out some of these)

 

Bells and Man.  Percival Price, Oxford Univ. Press, 1983, ISBN

0-19-318103-7, Dewey decimal 789.509 P946b.  Out of print, alas.  A

fairly exhaustive study, from the earliest finds to modern times,

subdivided by culture and time.  Three sizeable chapters, much of the

book, are on early Christian, medieval, and Renaissance use of hand- and

tower bells.  It branches into related instruments, like the sematron

and the crodal ("jingle bells").  There are many footnotes of sources, a

few primary.  Appendices: dates, locations, sizes, and weights of

various historic bells; inscriptions with date, location.  I have two

strong positive recommendations, from Tony Elderhorst and from Dr.

Wakeland. Read it thoroughly, because it's not that well organized.

(For example, a subchapter about Russian bell chiming has some important

information on Western practices.)

 

Dr. William Wakeland.

   4800 Cardinal Dr.

   Muncie, Indiana 47304 USA

   +1 (317) 289-2692

 

Retired professor, member (President?) North American Bell Tower

Association. He's knowledgeable, a source of further sources, very

nice, and loves to talk (so be warned!).  He says he's visited all but

two U.S. change ringing towers.  He'll be gone on a trip soon, so he'll

soon be hard to get a hold of.  Is aware of the Society for Creative

Anachronism.

 

American Guild of English Handbell Ringers.  +1 (800) 878-5459 (that

phone number may not be usable outside the North American dialing plan).

Not useful for my purposes, but they pointed me at Dr. Wakeland.

 

North American Guild of Carilloneurs.  Publication: Carillon News.

 

North American Guild of Change Ringers.  Publication: The Clapper.

 

The Ringing World, publication of the Council of Churches (Anglican).

   Penmark House

   Woodbridge Meadows

   Guildford, England GU1 1BL

   telephone: +44 483 69535

 

International annual subscription: #61.50 (about $100 [glllkkkkk!---

Ed.]). Mary Seabrook: "They sometimes have adverts for people selling

handbell sets ....  I'm probably more interested in the adverts that

they sometimes have for tower bells from disused towers, which they sell

sometimes for as low as $20000 a set [glllkkkkk!---Ed.]."  Dr. Wakeland

says it has miscellaneous info, like reports of groups' change ringing

accomplishments.

 

The Nine Tailors.  Dotrothy Sayers.  A Lord Peter Whimsley mystery.

Haven't read it, and probably relevant only to modern practices, but Dr.

Wakeland says it's a good book.

 

Ring Out---A Book of Bells.  Jane Yolen (!); Juvenile, Dewey 789.5 Y54r.

She gives the Dick Whittington folk story, and then gives historical

facts to show why it's false.  That alone endeared it to me.  Haven't

read it yet, but I plan to.

 

BELL MANUFACTURERS

 

Taylor's (Eng.), White Chapel (Eng.), Picard (Fr.), Petete and Fritzen

(sp? Ger.), Eisbouts (Netherlands), a new small business in Oslo.

Taylor's pioneered bell tuning in 1904.  White Chapel has been at the

same street address since 1570, and claims to be the oldest continuous

business at the same address in England, I believe.  There are no

American large bell manufacturers.  Kyler Laird: "One set of Purdue's

bells is from England (White Chapel).  They're supposed to be the best,

but after brazing and rebuilding a few, I strongly disagree."

 

AMERICAN BELL SUPPLIERS:

 

Jane Waks: "Good my lord, never tempt a reference librarian with a

question like 'Anybody know about commercial bell suppliers?'!!"

 

"The attached list is one I threw together from the Thomas Register, and

I have no personal relationship with any of the vendors, except the one

I marked, whose bells I have rung, but could never afford to have bought

(church owns a set).  Bells (excerpted freely from Thomas' Register of

Manufacturers. Comments enclosed in quotation marks are from the

advertisements by the companies.

 

S. Axelrod Co.  (NY)  212-594-3022

        'Cow bells, Liberty bells, jingle bells'

 

Maas-Rowe Carillons Inc.  (Escondido, CA)

 

South Bay Bronze/Aluminum Foundry Inc.  (San Jose CA) 408-947-0607

 

Edwards Co.  (Farmington CT)  203-678-0410

 

Mast Harness Shop  (Arthur IL)  217-543-3463

        'Harnesses, harness hardware, oils, leather tools...'  and

presumably Bells, since they are listed under Bells, Church;

Chimes; etc.

 

McShane Bell Foundry Co.  (Glen Burnie MD)

 

Verdin Co.  (Cincinnati OH)  800-543-0488

        'New, used cast bronze bells, bell tuning & refurbishing ...

ringing equipment' [Pretty helpful; recommended by Dr. Wakeland.--Tim

McDaniel]

 

Elderhorst Bells Inc.  (Palm PA)  215-679-3264

        'Bellstrikers and ringers for cast bronze bells, refurbishers

of historical movements, service for tower clocks, bells, bellringing

equipment...handbells' [Tony Elderhorst is a nice guy and fairly

informative.--Tim McDaniel.]

 

Schulmerich Carillons Inc.  (Sellersville PA)

        I have rung their handbells.  Great sound, high price. --

Caitlin [Dr. Wakeland is very unimpressed.  An Abilene, TX customer

ordered a set which Schulmerich said would be suitable for change

ringing and carillon.  When installed, they could not be rung

separately, but could only be rung from an organ keyboard, with no

variation in volume as can be done with standard carillon controls.--Tim

McDaniel]

 

The C.S. Bell Co.  (Tiffin OH)  419-448-0791

        'Cast iron farm bells for home, farm, or patio'  [Unfriendly

attitude--Tim McDaniel]

 

Van Bergen Bellfoundries Inc. (Charleston SC)  800-554-8820

        'Tuned bronze bells, tower clocks, chimes...'

Many thanks, Jane!

 

 

E-MAIL CORRESPONDENTS OR NETNEWS POSTERS:

 

Mary Seabrook (aka Elizabeth Fairweather) <mary at ossi.com> "I'll keep you

posted on how well I get on with trying to cast my own!"

 

Kyler Laird <laird at ecn.purdue.edu>: "I met my wife through the Purdue

Bell Choir - she was/is the director and I'm now Chief Bell Repair Dude.

... Do you have any idea of the expense that you're considering?  Big

bells are quite expensive."

 

David Salley (aka Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake)

<salley at niktow.canisius.edu> "Unless this [bell tower] is far more

complicated than a Boy Scout signal tower, you should be able to put one

up in an afternoon.  I know I did at scout camp."

 

Nigel Haslock (aka Faicha) <haslock at rust.zso.dec.com> "When I was

growing up in England, I was continually hearing of steeples that needed

new roofs.  The problem is that the vibrations of the bells shake the

nails loose and the steep angle of the steeple encouraged the slates to

pull free.  A properly built tower [in contrast to a "steeple"] does not

have this problem as roof is virtually flat so the slates don't go

anywhere even if the nails are loose."

 

John Schmidt <jschmidt at Tymnet.COM> "... have cast pot metal, but never a

bell, and am even learning forging... If you'll take the bell to

Pennsic, I'll figure out how to make it."

 

Gary Heston <gary at sci34hub.sci.com> "I've found cast-iron dinner bells

at estate and property auctions locally. ... Check with rural

living/self-sufficent supply places, perhaps farm supply houses. Cast

iron bells shouldn't be too hard to find; bronze would likely be much

harder to locate *and* hideously expensive."

 

Jim McGill <mcgill at sauvie.c4west.eds.com> "You might try to contact the

english hand bell players. ...  Try the local Anglican church, since

there seems to be a connection between handbells and them.  Or try your

local early music people, they seem to know each other."

 

Rob Pauley <rob at mal-s1.gatech.edu> "I'm currently doing a lot of metal

spinning and have considered the possibility of spinning bells.

Unfortunately, I have little info. as to what shapes, metal types, etc.

are appropriate, except for bells that I have seen (appear to be brass

or bronze or steel with plating).  I am starting to spin items for other

people and expect a 'light industrial' order soon."

 

Nils Hammer <nh0g+ at andrew.cmu.edu> "For those of you who still think of

building towers, huts, whatever; you may want to know that there is a

stone-lookalike spraypaint now available. In the CMU art store it is

very expensive. If anyone wants to know more you might ask some CMU

person to copy and send company info from the label."

--

Modern: Tim McDaniel, Convex Computer Corporation

   SCA: Daniel of Lincoln, Barony of the Steppes, Ansteorra

Internet: mcdaniel at convex.com, mcdaniel at cyberspace.org, mcdaniel at adi.com

 

 

From: mfleet at msuvx1.memst.edu

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.crafts.metalworking

Subject: Re: Bell sources

Date: 12 Apr 93 14:49:30 GMT

Organization: Memphis State University

 

In article <1993Apr10.001826.24008 at news.eng.convex.com>, mcdaniel at convex.com (Tim McDaniel) writes:

> I posted a while ago asking about bells, especially for tower use.  Many

> thanks to those who so kindly responded.  Here's some of the information

> I've found so far.  [Please note the cross-posting to rec.org.sca and

> rec.crafts.metalworking.]

>

> MISCELLANEOUS SOURCES (I haven't checked out some of these)

 

>(stuff deleted)

> The Nine Tailors.  Dotrothy Sayers.  A Lord Peter Whimsley mystery.

> Haven't read it, and probably relevant only to modern practices, but Dr.

> Wakeland says it's a good book.

>

--

I have read "The Nine Tailors" several times.  It is definitely not modern

practice. When written in the 20's or 30's, Sayers was using the mystery

format to inform readers of what she believed to be a dying art form.  The

references are to traditional English practices.  It's a classic!

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From: arf at genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.crafts.metalworking

Subject: Re: Bell sources

Date: 13 Apr 1993 08:28:36 -0500

Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL

 

rec.crafts.metalworking #1085

From: mcdaniel at convex.com (Tim McDaniel)

[1] Bell sources

>Mary Seabrook (aka Elizabeth Fairweather) <mary at ossi.com>

"I'll keep you posted on how well I get on with trying to

cast my own!"

Please share your experience with us.

I found a nice bell at a do-it-yourself ceramic shop that I

used for a form to cast bells from.  It is about 3 inches

high and about the same at the base.  I first cast it in

zinc to have a permanent form that I did not have to worry

about breaking.

The casting is done in sand with a cope and drag specially

designed for it.  The drag is several inches higher than the

bell and  the cope is two inches deep.  The drag is placed

over the upright form and packed with sand.  It is then

inverted and dusted with parting compound.  The cope is

placed over the drag and packed with sand.  A large lagbolt

is inserted in the sand to act as a reinforcement to hold

the bell core together when parting the mold.  The gate

consists of a 1/5 in hole drilled in the drag so that it

coincides with the stem of the bell and forms a crude handle

if not cut off.

I have cast half a dozen succcessful bells in aluminum but

have not solved the cooling problems in silver or brass and

can not get a complete bell in these metals with the current

design.

Only one of the aluminum bells has what I would call a

perfect tone as cast, the rest have very pronounced

dissonants.  One of the major problems is maintaining

alignment of the core with the shell.  If not perfectly

aligned, the wall thickness varies and the sound suffers

greatly.

A hobby turned into a business has kept me from solving the

bell problem but I hope to get back to it soon.

Let's hear from anyone else casting bells.

js

 

 

From: doconnor at sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Pennsic Bell

Date: 12 May 94 12:06:35

Organization: not much.

 

meg at tinhat.stonemarche.org (meg) writes:

] I am minded that we have the skill and technology to cast a large bell

] which can be hung from a tower near the Barn and used to ring the hours

] at the War.

 

Just to encourage you:

 

The Barony of Al Beron (sp?) of the Outlands cast themselves a

most impressive and delightful bell of bronze. They had it

at Estrella X. Their Barona nd Baroness said it was a Barony-

wide project and quite an education, as well as being fun.

--

Dennis O'Connor                          doconnor at sedona.intel.com

 

 

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: gunwaldt at astro.dasd.honeywell.com

Subject: Re: Pennsic Bell

Organization: Honeywell Inc. DASD

Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 15:51:04 GMT

 

Megan writes:

> ] I am minded that we have the skill and technology to cast a large bell

> ] which can be hung from a tower near the Barn and used to ring the hours

> ] at the War.

 

Dennis responds:

> The Barony of Al Beron (sp?) of the Outlands cast themselves a

> most impressive and delightful bell of bronze. They had it

> at Estrella X. Their Barona nd Baroness said it was a Barony-

> wide project and quite an education, as well as being fun.

 

The bell of al-Barran (Antares Kano) was designed and constructed

by local artists at a local foundry.  It is used to:

        chime the hours

        toll during days of mourning

        peal for joyous occasions

       sound to issue warning

 

A picture of Antares Kano is on the cover of the Fall '93

"Chivalry Sports" catalogue.

 

Gunwaldt

 

 

From: andrixos at aol.com (Andrixos)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Pennsic Bell

Date: 17 May 1994 02:43:02 -0400

Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)

 

The Barony of al-Barran cast a bell which they dedicated and used to ring

canonical hours at Outlandish last year.  As I was merchanting and stick at my

booth, and refusing to use a watch, I much enjoyed the pealing to mark the

passage of time, and to keep me from being late to court, which I was heralding

for Their Majesties Calontir.  (All I really neede to do was show up 10 minutes

*bfore* the bell rang).  As I remember the bell was named Antares __?__ (Cano?)

for the brightest star in Scorpio, which is the Barony's totem beast.  Alas, I

will not be at Outlandish to hear it peal again this year...

                                 -Andrixos

 

 

From: Lisa Lonie <LISA at pco.edu>

To: markh at risc.sps.mot.com

Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:42:43 -0400

Subject: Web page

 

I happened to trip over your web page.  Just a small FYI:

 

Cast bronze, tuned bells are indeed being cast in North

America and provide an alternative to foreign-made bells  

in both price and quality.  The Meeks and Watson

company of Ohio has been casting tuned bells for several

years now.  They can be reached at 513-378-BELL.  I

have personally played their bells - absolutely first class

 

The Guild of Carillonneurs can be reached at their web

site:

 

www.gcna.org

 

They have a vast amount of information online regarding

carillon bells, towers, etc.

 

L. Lonie,

Carillonneur

 

 

Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:18:45 -0500

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

To: mfx106d at tninet.se, sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: Soapstone

 

Twcs wrote:

> Magnus wrote:

> > I have this idea I want to cast an aquamanile....

> Yeah, me too.  But what I really want to do is make a bell...

> ttfn, Twcs

 

Theophilus wrote a section on bells in Divers Arts.

Leonardo trained as a bell founder.

There is a place on the web where you can buy regular wax letters

for casting. http://www.waxpatterns.com/index.htm

 

For making a bell see:

http://renstore.com/articles/Belling_Barony.shtml

 

Magnus

 

 

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:32:38 -0500

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: Pilgrim badges & Bells

 

Melanie Wilson wrote:

> I've heard of some being cast into bell prodcution & other objects for a

> more permanent record, The Sailsbury ref I think Magnus ?

> Mel

 

You're right, it is on page 11, in the Salisbury Museum II

Pilgrim's Souvenirs and Secular Badges book. They were placed in

the molds and at burn out melted and left their impression.

 

Magnus

 

 

Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:19:35 -0400

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu, Merryrose <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>

Subject: Replicating a 10th C. Bell found in Hedeby Harbour

 

http://www.frostheim.org/diverse/Mats_Gjutares_klockgjutning.html

I got this today from one of the archaeologists I know in Sweden.

The one that does the Viking Metalcasting Page.

 

Note also that the Mongols apparently are present. :)

You just can't beat the superior technology.

This ger is appropriately covered with felt sections.

 

Master Magnus, GDH

 

 

Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:59:04 -0400

From: Melanie Wilson <MelanieWilson at compuserve.com>

To: "INTERNET:sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu" <sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu>

Subject: Zooarchaeolgy

 

Somewhere in my collection of Weird-Things-Nobody-Understands-Why-I-Collect

is an English Medieval crotal bell from the early 1400s.  These were the

bells farmers hooked onto sheep and cattle and horses so that they could

more easily keep track of them.  The bell is cast bronze, about 30mm (an

inch and a quarter) across, and it contains a little lead ball which makes

a jangling noise whenever the animal (or the curious Human) moves.  The

bell still rings, after 550 years.  If I close my eyes while ringing it, I

become dislodged in time....and spend a few moments standing in a narrow

Medieval field, just off the Oxford-Bath road.  Or maybe its all in my

mind. Who can say?   :-)

 

There are some good books on the drover trails, I read an article recently

re this subject

 

Mel

 

 

Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:27:55 -0400

From: Ron Charlotte <ronch2 at bellsouth.net>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ku.edu

Subject: Re: making jingle bells

 

>I need help in finding something about bell-making. With bell I mean jingle

>bells/crotals

>/pellet bells/rambler bells and what ever name it has, not church/liberty

>bells!

>Both casting and "hammering" is of interest.

>Also if someone knows where I can find some "bellhistory".

>         Gile Bluemaker In-The-Hill

 

Eagan, G. & Pritchard, F., et. al.; Dress Accessories: c.1150 -- c.1450,

1991, HMSO (ISBN 0 11 290444 0); is a volume that has a substantial amount

on bells being worn as a dress accessory.  The Pirotechnia of Vannoccio

Biringuccio, (ISBN: 0-486-26134-4) has information on bellfounding and

casting, primarily of large bells, but does discuss smaller ones.

 

        al Thaalibi -- An Crosaire, Trimaris

        Ron Charlotte -- Gainesville, FL

        ronch2 at bellsouth.net OR afn03234 at afn.org  

 

 

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:06:12 -0500

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: medieval bells

 

> Does anyone know of a source for or someone who makes medieval bells?  Thank

> you.

> Ingvild

 

Okay, I remember now. I have one book specifically on bells in

the Magnus Library.

 

Problem is it only contains Avar and Irish and one Visigoth Bell

from your period. The Avars got stopped by Charlemagne. They were

basically a Mongol race. Most of their bells come from Hungary.

 

The Visigoth bell, of which there is only one the author could find

is from a grave in Spain. It is conical being one inch wide at the

base and two inches high including a ring at the top. There are

two rings attached to the top loop ring. No decoration.

 

The Avars bells were basically crotal bell shaped without the central

ring around the middle, obviously cast in one piece with a pebble

in the middle style. Some had faces on the sides, most had cross

slots in the bottom, basically round.

 

The source would be "A Treasury of Archaeological Bells by

Nathaniel Spears, Jr., Hastings House Publishers, N.Y., 1978.

Most of the rest of the bells in it are from antiquity.

 

Magnus

 

 

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:15:35 -0500

From: rmhowe <magnusm at ncsu.edu>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: medieval bells

 

The book is primarily ancient bells. Few medieval ones are in it.

There are some Dark Ages or Migration types in it.

 

There are quite a number of Roman bells, including those hanging from

figures with phalluses suspending lamps underneath. The Roman bells

vary quite a lot as one would expect in shape and decoration.

 

As far as Irish bells go, there are no bells like the ones associated

with the Celtic saints (cowbell types). There are some earlier ones

mostly looking either round or pointedly oval in shape with a square

insertion point for the pebble curiously unbrazed in the sides.

 

You might be closer with the cowbell. Most of the ones depicted are

rather small. You can find pictures of Saint Patrick's bell in many

books on Celtic art.

 

I had an ancient excavated Chinese one once but it seems to have

disappeared after my mother died. I had given it to her as a gift.

 

Magnus

 

SNSpies at aol.com wrote:

> Any Roman bells in that wonderful book, Magnus?  The other suggestion I've

> had is to use Celtic/Irish bells.  I've already bought a cow bell which is

> pretty close.  Trying to explain why to the saleslady was "fun."

>

> Ingvild

 

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