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Wool carding and combing. History.

 

NOTE: See also the files: wool-clean-msg, wool-hist-msg, textiles-msg, weaving-msg, spinning-msg, knitting-msg, felting-msg, sheep-lambs-msg, The-Sheep-art.

 

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:11:52 -0600 (CST)

From: "Pixel, Queen of Cats" <pixel at hundred-acre-wood.com>

To: Cross Meridian <sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu>

Subject: Re: fleece washing question

 

Well, in the documentation I have, it says that carding combs didn't reach

England until the mid- to late-13th c., and before that people used

teasels and regular combs. Carding combs and the spinning wheel were in

Europe a bit before that, they just didn't make it to England until

the late 1200s.

 

If you don't scour your fleece before combing it, it sticks to the tines

of the comb and makes a huge mess, but that's with metal tines. Early

combs may not always have had metal tines, and it's possible that the

lanolin sticks to other materials much less. Someone with more experience

than I is welcome to correct me on the subject.

 

I don't use carders, they're not period for me, so I wouldn't be able to

tell you what happens to greasy fleece prepared that way. I'd imagine that

it wouldn't matter if the wool was greasy or not if you were using

teasels.

 

I've read in a number of places that the lanolin was left in the wool to

provide a measure of weatherproofing--this would imply that it was spun in

the grease. I would think that the wool was at least rinsed in hot water,

to get rid of all the dirt that sheep accumulate during the year--this

would take out some of the lanolin but not all.

 

Margaret FitzWilliam

 

 

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:34:25 -0000

From: "Melanie Wilson" <MelanieWilson at bigfoot.com>

To: <sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu>

Subject: Re: fleece washing question

 

>If they didn't have hand-carders did they always use combs? Or did they

>just sometimes tease the fleece before they spun it?

 

Carding is probably more common once the sheep are sheared, primitive sheep

are often not sheared but plucked.

 

By the 13rth C I'm pretty sure shearing was in, probably a good while before

that too.

 

> I'm glad that spinning in the grease is period! That hurdle seems to be out of > the way.

 

Until recently much English yarn was buyable in grease, I'm pretty sure it

was spun way back in grease too when needed.

 

Mel

 

 

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:11:24 -0500

From: Ron Charlotte <ronch2 at bellsouth.net>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: fleece washing question

 

>it sticks to the tines

>of the comb and makes a huge mess, but that's with metal tines

>Look to skeletal material

 

According to MacGregor's _Bone, Antler, Ivory & Horn_, there have been no

skeletal material carding combs found.  There are several with skeletal

material handles, and metal (uaually iron) teeth, although all metal one

date back to the Roman era.  One side note is that most such combs had

multiple rows of teeth, but the Scandinavian peoples frequently used single

row combs (different wool type??).

 

      al Thaalibi -- An Crosaire, Trimaris

            Ron Charlotte -- Gainesville, FL

 

 

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:49:08 -0600 (CST)

From: "Pixel, Queen of Cats" <pixel at hundred-acre-wood.com>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: wool combs, Icelandic fleece

 

On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Ron Charlotte wrote:

> At 08:35 PM 12/21/00 -0000, you wrote:

> >>it sticks to the tines

> >of the comb and makes a huge mess, but that's with metal tines

> >

> >Look to skeletal material

>

> According to MacGregor's _Bone, Antler, Ivory & Horn_, there have been no

> skeletal material carding combs found.  There are several with skeletal

> material handles, and metal (uaually iron) teeth, although all metal one

> date back to the Roman era.  One side note is that most such combs had

> multiple rows of teeth, but the Scandinavian peoples frequently used single

> row combs (different wool type??).

 

Icelandic sheep are double-coated, with a long outer coat (tog) and a

short inner coat (thel), which is softer and fluffier than the

outer. Combing separates the long fibers from the short fibers, and the

more rows of tines, the more short fibers are taken out. I, personally,

being English, have double combs. ;-) However, if what you are combing is

Icelandic fleece and you wish to keep the thel with the tog, then you want

single combs, elsewise you'll end up combing out all your thel.

 

At the moment in my sewing room, I have something like 18 pounds of

Icelandic fleece that needs to be washed and combed. Using the double

combs on it won't be a problem because it's going to be weaving warp, and

having short fluffy fibers in warp yarn is sort of

counter-productive. ;-) If I were planning on using it for knitting,

though, I'd want the single combs.

 

Margaret FitzWilliam

 

 

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:28:50 -0000

From: "Melanie Wilson" <MelanieWilson at bigfoot.com>

To: "LIST Sca Arts" <sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu>

Subject: Re: fleece washing question

 

>According to MacGregor's _Bone, Antler, Ivory & Horn_, there have been no

>skeletal material carding combs found

 

Whilst this is correct Macgregor 1974 suggests some long toothed combs of

cetacean bone found in Orkney, as did Coughtrey 1872

 

Ryder in Sheep & Man states 'bone combs have survived from prehistoric

times'

 

And also refers to Clark 1947 with ref to bone combs.

 

Combs found in Shetland had only 1 set of teeth, and function to straighten

the fibres rather than seperate the long & short fibres, which to lesser or

greater extent are present on all sheep coats as the wooly undercoat has

been bred for (by man) to increase in length over the (now) shorter 'hair'

coat.

 

I would suggest that wool prepared & used in the grease was mainly done in

the outer regions, firstly because this was where it was needed as such and

secondly because their type of wool is better suited to it. Wheras in

mainstream England, a fine wool was breed for and produced, indeed we were

very famous for it !

 

It has to be recognised that the main archaeology takes place in threatened

areas, eg the digs in the large cities such as London, York & so on,

whereas, little is threatened in the western isles for instance and

consequentlt less archaeology happens there. Which doesn't prove anything

definately but should always be borne in mind that our finding are unbalanced

and prejudiced.

 

I think to see what was used for in the grease production you need to look

specifically at the right area for that type of production, methods there

can vary greatly. Just an idea :)

 

Finally are you using your metal combs hot ?

 

Mel

 

 

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:32:51 +0100

From: Anna Troy <owly at hem.utfors.se>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: wool combs, Icelandic fleece

 

Tip, when carding or coming greasy wool keep it warm. and it will be much

easier to work with. Carding wool was a typical task for those long winter

nights in front of the fire here in Sweden. I suppose it should work if you

spread the wool out on newspaper and then put the blow drier on the highest

setting and blow the wool a little now and then. I haven't tried it though.

Oh, there are two types of cards at least here. There are a pair of bigger

ones with stiffer, shorter bristles that are called "Skrubbor"  Scrubbers

if you translate. One of them is put in a big vice bench and then you can

rough-card much more wool at once. I used my Black & Decker workbench as

the vice :-)

 

Anna de Byxe

 

>At the moment in my sewing room, I have something like 18 pounds of

>Icelandic fleece that needs to be washed and combed. Using the double

>combs on it won't be a problem because it's going to be weaving warp, and

>having short fluffy fibers in warp yarn is sort of

>counter-productive. ;-) If I were planning on using it for knitting,

>though, I'd want the single combs.

>Margaret FitzWilliam

 

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