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Cleaning wool before spinning.

 

NOTE: See also the files: wool-hist-msg, felting-msg, washing-msg, textiles-msg, cotton-art, cotton-msg, linen-msg, livestock-msg, silk-msg, The-Sheep-art, B-H-Cheviot-art.

 

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From: ronin at usa1.com (Blondelza at aol.com)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Washing/carding wool HELP?

Date: 28 May 1995 01:58:31 GMT

Organization: USAinternet, Inc.

 

mortaine at cats.ucsc.edu says...

>My problem is, I want to spin this wool, but it's not washed, and I don't have

>any ideas as to how to wash it, or where to obtain carding materials.

>(I do know where to find a spindle)

 

As for washing the wool, you should use very little of a mild detergent

(like Woolite or something similar). Using too much will remove the

wool's lanolin, which is what makes it water-resistant in addition to

making the wool easier to spin. Some people use no detergent

whatsoever. Just place the wool in cool water with or without detergent,

and very gently move it around. All you really want to do is remove the

most obvious dirt, as the rest will be removed when you card it. Remove

the wool from the water, rinse in more cool water and let it air dry. An

old screen is good to use for this if you have one.

 

Most knitting stores will either have carding and spinning materials, or

will be able to direct you to where you can find them in your area. Happy

spinning!

 

Laurel Avery

Blondelza at aol.com

 

 

From: dave.calafrancesco at drakkar.mhv.net (David Calafrancesco)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Washing/carding wool HELP?

Date: 31 May 95 00:53:59

Organization: Druid's Grove FIDO -> Internet Gateway

 

ronin at usa1.com wrote in a message to All:

ru> mortaine at cats.ucsc.edu says...

 

>My problem is, I want to spin this wool, but it's not washed, and I don't have

>any ideas as to how to wash it, or where to obtain carding materials.

>(I do know where to find a spindle)

 

ru> As for washing the wool, you should use very little of a

ru> mild detergent  (like Woolite or something similar). Using

 

Warning, the current formulations of 'woolite' is not appropriate for wool

anymore. It is now designed for use on satins and other lingerie. I have heard

that baby shampoo works quite well for washing woolens. Remember to use a very

little amount. Also, many generic formulations collectively known as wool wash

still have the wool formulation and are therefor OK.

 

Haraldr Bassi, Frosted Hills, East

haraldr at drakkar.mhv.net

 

 

From: adurham at mailer.fsu.edu (Ann E Durham)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Washing/carding wool HELP?

Date: 2 Jun 1995 16:49:34 -0400

Organization: Florida State University

 

As a handspinner and sheep owner, I wash a lot of fleece. Don't be afraid

of it.  I use *hot* water and a *lot* of detergent. Dishwashing detergent

works best--it cuts the grease well.  If you want details, you can e-mail

me at adurham at mailer.fsu.edu

 

--

*An unemployed jester is nobody's fool | Ann Durham

*                                      | Florida State University

*                                      | Tallahassee Florida

 

 

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: shafer at ferhino.dfrc.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)

Subject: Re: Washing/carding wool HELP?

Organization: NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards CA

Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:14:52 GMT

 

On 31 May 95 00:53:59, dave.calafrancesco at drakkar.mhv.net (David Calafrancesco) said:

 

HB> Warning, the current formulations of 'woolite' is not appropriate

HB> for wool anymore. It is now designed for use on satins and other

HB> lingerie. I have heard that baby shampoo works quite well for

HB> washing woolens. Remember to use a very little amount. Also, many

HB> generic formulations collectively known as wool wash still have

HB> the wool formulation and are therefor OK.

 

The detergent universally recommended for washing wool needlepoint

(actually, almost all needlework) is sodium lauryl sulfate.  It can be

purchased at extortionate prices in little bottles at needlepoint

shops (about 8 dollars for 4 ounces) or bought in large jars in feed

stores (about 6 dollars for a pound), where it lurks under the trade

names of Orvus (the original), Sorvus, and a host of like-sounding

names, all horse shampoos.

 

Notice that this horse shampoo is not one of the currently popular

Mane and Tail shampoos.  The only ingredient is sodium lauryl sulfate.

It's a firm, creamy white paste when cool and a thick, light amber

clear liquid when warm.  It's not very fancy--cheap label, cheap

jar--but it's universally used and recommended by textile

conservationists.

--

Mary Shafer                                             DoD #362 KotFR  

SR-71 Chief Engineer   NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA

shafer at ferhino.dfrc.nasa.gov          Of course I don't speak for NASA

URL http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/People/Shafer/mary.html

 

 

From: PJLR92A at prodigy.com (Shawn Cahoon)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Washing/carding wool HELP?

Date: 3 Jun 1995 06:49:14 GMT

Organization: Prodigy Services Company  1-800-PRODIGY

 

I have washed a fleece of wool before. Plan to take at least a good

afternoon if you have a bunch and it's really dirty.  

 

I've got two techniques for you:

1.  The way I did it -- Start with a bucket (pickle bucket, washtub,

whatever) of ambient temperature water (not hot, not cold -- no extremes)

with your soap (see previous reference for types of soap) and very very

gently turn the wool over to get water and soap to all of the wool.  DO

NOT AGITATE YOUR WOOL!!!  Be very gentle with it, or else it will felt

and you'll have a slab o craft fabric.  Drain the water, and start

rinsing -- use clean water, and gently turn and drain and rinse again,

until the water runs clean and the wool looks clean.  (If your fleece is

really filthy, before you start the whole washing process, pick out as

much of the big stuff -- twigs, dirt, burrs, etc. -- as you possibly can.

This is a dull tedious job, but if you don't get it out before washing, I

guarantee it will stay with you through all the rinses and you'll still

have to do it at the end.)  During this process, you're hands will become

increasingly soft from all the lanolin.  Don't know how well the

previously recommended soaps will cut the lanolin; it's been a while, but

I seem to remember actually using Dawn dishsoap in very small quantities.

As a  test, separate some small hanks of wool out ahead of time and test

the various stuff you want to wash with until you find one you like.

 

Once you've washed your wool, lay it out on a clean sheet in the sun to

dry. Spread it thin, make sure it's not a rainy day, and if at all

possible, avoid windy days, unless you want to decorate your neighborhood

with white fluff.

 

2.  The way a friend reportedly did this:  The same technique as above,

but a first rinse before the soap phase. This initial rinse involves

soaking in hot water with ABSOLUTELY NO AGITATION OR MOVEMENT OF WOOL AT

ALL. It's not a long rinse, maybe a half hour.  

 

Since this is a second hand tip, I can't guarantee that it works, but

Francesca can do amazing things with wool; you might wait for other

confirmation before trying this technique.

 

By the way, one of the reasons it is recommended that you use a very

small amount of soap in your wash is (learn from my mistakes) you haven't

lived until you've rinsed a fleece of wool 10 times and are still getting

bubbles out of it.  A little goes a long way.  If you don't use enough,

you can always wash again. If you  use too much, you'll spend a week

rinsing the ***** stuff.

 

 

From: cystenin at ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Allen Stoner)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Washing/carding wool HELP?

Date: 5 Jun 1995 04:25:29 GMT

Organization: Netcom

 

Hmmm... My mother is a master spinner mundanely. She learned very

quickly that it was a good idea to have her kids do the nasty stuff.

So... having washed carded and died more than one fleece, here is my

suggestion.

 

Take up darts.

 

No but really, I put the whole fleece in the tub. We have a massager

head on a hose hooked up to the shower. I would make that water hot

enough to be uncomfortable but not hot enough to burn. You may drop a

few drops of Ivory liquid into the fleece, but not too much. This will

help break up the Lanolin. Spray down the fleece continually. When the

run off from the fleece is clear and the wet sheep smell isnt quite so

obnoxious, you are done. We spread a clear plastic over a sheet of

plywood and faced it (tilted) Towards the sun. Spread the fleece as

thin as possible.

 

Carding. Ughh. Get a drum carder. Hook up a washing motor to it, or buy

one that is already electric. Dont do it by hand.

 

Incidentally, carding is an excellent time to blend your fleeces. I.E.

darks with lights to make light browns and greys. This works better on

a drum carder though. An electric one. With a lot of horsepower.

 

Spinning. Double ughh. Buy a Schacht(spelling?) wheel. Make sure the

tension is adjustable mechanically. Leather straps and rubber bands are

no good. Also, gearing and stainless fittings for the spindle, etc. are

much better than plastic.

 

Well, my moms the expert, not me. Thank god.

 

    Good Luck,

    Cystennin Ap Gareth of Drafn, Esq.

 

 

From: jaryan at vela.acs.oakland.edu (Zippo Bilbrok 3.0e8)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Washing/carding wool HELP?

Date: 7 Jun 95 01:14:56 GMT

Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A.

 

        Reading this collection of "helpful(?)" hints amused me so much

that I couldn't resist comparing the lot (and adding my own $.02). It

would seem that everyone has their own *ahem* unique opinion on the

matter. Thought you all might like to see a summary of the various views.

I should add beforehand that all the posts have been chopped for brevity,

and stuff in [square brackets] is mine.  

 

From: adurham at mailer.fsu.edu (Ann E Durham)

Subject: Re: Washing/carding wool HELP?

 

As a handspinner and sheep owner, I wash a lot of fleece. Don't be afraid

of it.  I use *hot* water and a *lot* of detergent.

 

From: PJLR92A at prodigy.com (Shawn Cahoon)

 

1.  The way I did it -- Start with a bucket (pickle bucket, washtub,

whatever) of ambient temperature water (not hot, not cold -- no extremes)

with your soap (see previous reference for types of soap) and ... DO

NOT AGITATE YOUR WOOL!!!  Be very gentle with it, or else it will felt

I seem to remember actually using Dawn dishsoap in very small quantities.

 

[Hmmm. Hot water. Lukewarm water. Soap. No soap. Some soap?...]

 

From: cystenin at ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Allen Stoner)

 

No but really, I put the whole fleece in the tub. We have a massager

head on a hose hooked up to the shower. I would make that water hot

enough to be uncomfortable but not hot enough to burn. You may drop a

few drops of Ivory liquid into the fleece, but not too much. This will

help break up the Lanolin. Spray down the fleece continually. When the

run off from the fleece is clear and the wet sheep smell isnt quite so

obnoxious, you are done.

 

Carding. Ughh. Get a drum carder. Hook up a washing motor to it, or buy

one that is already electric. Dont do it by hand.

 

[Thought I'd put in a small plug for Romney sheep here. Romney wool

doesn't need to be carded as such. A few swipes with a small "flip card" is

excellent preparation for spinning.]

 

From: ue342 at ciao.trail.bc.ca (JASON RASKU)

 

What you do is HAND

wash in the detergent (I don't think it matters THAT much what it is) and

then spin dry and rinse.  You want fairly hot water (no it won't felt if

it isn't agitated too much).

 

[ SPIN DRY?!?!?!?!? And how precisely does one "not agitate too much" in a

dryer?]

 

  You MAY be able to get away with

spining in the grease (not washing, etc.) if you have a clean flease.  

 

[The "sheep" smell in wool will usually disappear with small effort, and

spinning in the grease (purportedly) makes waterproof garments (depending

on the tightness of the weave/knit/crochet(etc). Sheep are fairly clean

animals by nature, (those rainshowers don't hurt either) and if they are

fed carefully, will not develop a large ammount of chaff (hay, twigs,

etc.) in the wool, so spinning in the grease is not so unfeasible. The

wool spun this way is also noticably softer than washed wool, so even the

dubious may want to give it a try... Just a thought.

--

J.J Ryan                           *      "Don't try to outweird me, man.

Zippo Bilbrok 3.0e8                *       I get stranger things than you

jaryan at oakland.edu                 *       free with my breakfast cereal."

Oakland University, Rochester, MI  *                     -Zaphod Beeblebrox ]

 

 

From: li899gej at kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Jennifer Geard)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Washing/carding wool HELP?

Date: 10 Jun 1995 03:13:37 GMT

Organization: Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand.

 

Zippo Bilbrok 3.0e8 (jaryan at vela.acs.oakland.edu) wrote:

:      Reading this collection of "helpful(?)" hints amused me so much

: that I couldn't resist comparing the lot (and adding my own $.02). It

: would seem that everyone has their own *ahem* unique opinion on the

: matter.

 

Indeed.  Here's one more for the collection.

 

        Pick out any burrs or obvious cruddy bits of the fleece.

 

        Fill a tub/bucket/bath with lukewarm water.  

 

(The size of container depends how much of a fleece you're doing at a

time -- I recommend no more than half a fleece at a go if you're washing

it at home, and allow plenty of room.)

 

        Gently submerge the fleece in the water.

 

        Walk away and leave it.

 

(Leave it for an hour, overnight, whatever.  This is the only time I

recommend soaking wool.)

 

        Lift fleece gently out of water.  Hold over tub for a while to drain.

 

(Question: is this fleece as clean as I want it?  If not, repeat the

process.)

 

        Dry by letting it sit somewhere with air circulating but not

        blowing it around.

 

No (added) soap, no agitation.  The combination of oils, sweat and urea in

the fleece will combine to clean the fleece all by themselves.  There will

be some grease left in the wool after the first soaking (this makes sense

to me, since otherwise I'd have to spray oil on the fleece when I wanted

to spin it).  If I want to dye the fleece I just repeat the process a few

times and the wool comes out clean enough to accept the dye, and without

any detergent residues which alter the dye colour.

 

Where I live (New Zealand, home of 3 million people and 60 million sheep)

handspinners often spin wool "in the grease" for outdoor jerseys.  This

usually means the wool's been soaked briefly using some version of this

method before spinning: there's plenty of grease left in after a short

dip, but the wool is far more pleasant to work with with the suint and

gunk cleaned out (and your carders don't get so dirty).

 

  Pagan le Chaunster/Signy

 

==/==\==/==\==/==\==/==\==/==\==/==\==/==\==/==\==/==\==/==\==/==\==/==\==

Jennifer Geard                             Jennifer.Geard at vuw.ac.nz

Wellington, New Zealand                  In exile...

 

 

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From: rayturne at cln.etc.bc.ca (Raymond Turner)

Subject: Re: Washing/carding wool HELP?

Originator: rayturne at cln

Organization: Education Technology Centre of B.C.

Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 18:21:36 GMT

 

I use Ivory Snow to wash fleece, and it seems to work well. I've

also used dish detergent, and it works, too. I had a sheep owner

recommend an alkaline solution of any kind, so I tried using pool

chemicals to create such a solution, and it worked, too. Use

whatever works for you. Alkali, whether in the form of soap or

phUp, will strip the grease at the molecular level.

 

The other two main points are: whatever temp. water you wash with,

use to rinse with. Hot and hot, cold and cold, whatever your

delicate fingers are happy with, but get the two to match more or

less. the worst is hot wash, cold rinse= instant felt.

 

The other point is not to agitate too much. Gentle swishing is

good, vigorous scrubbing is bad.

 

I've discovered that it's MUCH easier to make felt by accident

than deliberately. But as long as I followed these basic

guidelines, I've had no problems.

 

Mind you, I generally spin "in the grease" as it seems to work

better for me. but others don't like the way the lanolin feels,

or the dirt. For spinning at a demo, you would defintiely want

to wash the fleece first, or you'll be getting lanolin on

everything you touch, and spraying seeds and bits of sheep poop

all over. Not nice.

 

All the ebst,

Olwen Pen Aur

Appledore, An Tir

rayturne at cln.etc.bc.ca

 

 

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 08:51:57 -0800

From: Dee Dunn <deedunn at mediasoft.net>

To: Mark Harris <mark_harris at quickmail>

Subject: Re: wool washing

 

Mark - Feel free to release this information via any media.

> Not only am I interested in info to put in the file, but I have a pile

> of wool that I want to clean to make some felted shoes with.

>

> I would have thought that washing it in the washing machine would cause

> it to felt. Do you use warm or cold water? With soap?

 

I wash about 12 fleeces per year (most for personal use, a few for sale)

and find that although it does not do quite as perfect a job as

handwashing, it is very nearly as good and it takes 75% less time.   I

have to card a little more to get the trash out, but the carding is not

significantly longer.

 

I also dye my fleeces in the wash, immediately after washing.   Then,

when I want to blend a color, I only have to go to my stock of colors

and grab whatever proportions I need.  

 

To wash in the machine:

 

Rule 1:  Use only a top opening washer. DO NOT USE A FRONT LOADER unless

you want to make a felt basketball!!!

 

Rule 2:  Turn off the cold water at the tap so you can't possibly screw

up and shrink your wool.

 

Rule 3:   Keep the lid up on your washer to prevent it from agitating.

Once the tub is filled with hot water, then turn OFF the machine.  Once

the machine is off, it is OK to close the lid.

 

If you follow these rules your fleece will be OK.

 

 

Step 1:  Pre-dissolve soap powder in hot water in washing tub.  If you

use liquid detergent, it will take you months to rinse the fleece

clean.  I have found that the Arm and Hammer Heavy Duty detergent powder

works very well.  I use 3-4 scoops of powder per load (regular laundry

uses only 1 scoop).   WAIT until the tub is filled and the powder is

dissolved before putting in the fleece.  As soon as the tub is filled,

turn *off* the machine.   IF the machine is off, it cannot agitate or

switch into another cycle.

 

Step 2:  Skirt your fleece and break it into locks.   Some people insist

on putting the locks in a washing bag to keep the fleece from breaking

up and clogging the pipes, but I have never found this to be an issue.

I have repaired my (old, second hand) machine twice and there was no

evidence of fleece in the works either time.

 

Step 3:   Place the locks in the wash tub, gently pressing each lock

under the water.  I have put in as much as 6 lbs of fleece in a load,

but the less wool and more water, the faster it cleans. Don't pack it

in, but don't waste water either.

 

Step 4:  Gently move the wool in the water.  I check it about once an

hour and lift the fleece up and down in the water a few times every time

I check it.  The more gentle you are, the less the possibility of

felting.

 

Step 5:  When you think the fleece is clean enough, put the machine into

the spin cycle.  Normal is fine, but gentle spin is ok if you are

sweating bullets at this time...   Spin the fleece until it is dry

enough.  You don't have to spin to the end of the cycle.  

 

Step 6:  Stop the spin and lift out the fleece into a laundry basket.

Refill the tub with hot water and then put the fleece back in to rinse.

If you add water onto the fleece, it can felt it a little, so make sure

the fleece is not in contact with flowing water. Sometimes I just load

the fleece onto the far side of the tub and hold it backk from where the

water comes in.  The water is hot, however, and you may prefer to keep

your hands out of the way altogether by taking out the fleece.

 

Step 7:  Put the fleece back into the water and move it gently to let

the water circulate around the fleece.   The rinse is fairly quick.  No

need to soak the fleece in this step.  Put the machine on spin when you

are ready and spin out the fleece.  (Repeat step 6 and 7 until you are

satisfied the fleece is rinsed.   I usually rinse twice, but Rambouillet

sometimes takes a second wash and 3 rinses to get it clean).

 

Step 8:  If you want to dye the fleece, take it out of the tub,

predissolve your dye in hot water and then put your fleece in to soak.

If you are not dyeing, take out the fleece and dry it.

 

Drying cages - I use chicken wire about 6 feet long folded in half to

make a 3x3 "cage".  Put the cage on the floor and open it up so you can

lay the fleece in.  Break up the washed fleece into locks again so it

will dry faster and lay the locks in the cage.  When you have loaded the

fleece, close up the cage and tie the sides together.   Hang the cage so

the folded edge is down and hang the open top edge on a nail in a beam

or such like.   It will take a few days to dry.

 

The better you separate the locks in the drying cage, the easier it will

be to card the wool.

 

 

Maybe I am just lucky, but I have never shrunk a fleece using this

method.   Mohair is a little tricky and has to be picked before carding,

but I have never washed mohair by hand, so I don't know if this is

typical of mohair or a problem brought on by tub washing.

 

Generally, I figure 8 hours to handwash a medium fleece. Tub washing

takes about 3 hours to soak, but I don't have to stand there and fiddle

with it.   It is also much kinder to my hands!  The rinse process takes

about 30 minutes and I do have to monitor that closely. Still much

faster than hand washing.

 

Good luck!

Dee

deedunn at mediasoft.net

 

 

From: Selwyn and Mary Hall <hallblacks at xtra.co.nz>

Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004  11:28:28 PM US/Central

To: stefan at florilegium.org

Subject: Washing wool

 

Hi there from New Zealand

Can't resist adding to the comments about washing wool.

Many correspondents have suggested putting the wool in the sun to dry.  The big problem with this is that wool will turn ginger in the sun.  Try it out with white wool!  The paler the wool is, the more it will change.  It will dry just as quickly indoors, if all of the excess water is spun out in the washing machine.  Keep fluffing the wool up or turning it regularly.

I hand-wash hundreds of kilograms of wool each year, and have found that the Ph level of the wool affects washing.   In stronger wools the Ph is alkaline.  The wool has a kind of natural detergent in it.  Notice that shearers do not need soap to wash the grease from their hands.  Strong wools such as Romneys virtually wash themselves.  In them the suint and grease come out easily.

Problems can arise with cross-bred and fine wools.  The Ph changes to acidic and this has implications for washing.  Water needs to be constantly hot.  If it cools, a scum forms and later the wool re-absorbs the grease, making it sticky and in need of a repeat wash.

The four kinds of wax in Merino wool make it different again.  It can be almost impossible to remove the solid wax from the tips.  We are solving this by breeding from sheep with less waxy tips.

It would appear easy to wash wool, but at times it can be quite tricky.  The secret is in knowing just what you are washing.

Regards

Mary Hall from Hallblacks  www.hallblacks.co.nz    

 

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