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Period oiled or waxed, waterproof cloth.

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From: scj427 at aol.com (SCJ427)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: oilskin

Date: 22 Jul 1995 03:38:32 -0400

If you are looking for "oilcloth" for use in waterproof enclosures it is

still commercially available. It is a cotton duck treated with thick

resinous oil. The stuff is waterproof and seems to attract charged

particles like crazy. The archaic stuff is great to place in entranceways

to controlled work areas to keep down dust and nasty things like

microparticles of radionuclides.

I don't know a retail supplier but it comes with a 3-M label on the rolls.

48" and 60" rolls. I keep threatening to sneak out with the roll ends to

make a pavilion.

Stefan MacMorrow ap Rhovannon

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:30:16 +1300 (NZDT)

From: "Zane R. V. Bruce" <zane at paradise.gen.nz>

Subject: [Lochac] Documenting oilskin, was Re: experimental

archeology

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

Zebee Johnstone wrote:

<<< Now I could use oilskin bags tied together and slung over the bike,

and when I got to an event they'd be a set of bags that didn't look

out of place and so would solve my problem. But they wouldn't be what

I wanted which is the period solution. And if I did want oilskin, was

it something they used? There are various 18th and 19thC recipes for

oilskin, are there period ones? I did a quick look around and

couldn't find any. Was it in use? Was it in use for containers

rather than for floor coverings or clothes? Information was horribly

lacking. >>>

I have this problem too, so here, Re-edited from various blog posts,

oilskin/cerecloth info, compiled after buying a lot of cheap but good

oilskin from the Mad Cat Lady Of Canberra!!11!, sometime 2006/7 ish:

So, I have a lot of oilskin and canvas. Probably several millibruces

worth, maybe as much as a centibruce (Black Company weights and measures

people worked this out a while ago, one bruce is about 25 tonne, so a

millibruce is about 25kgs. For comparison, I have previously taken around

1/25th of a bruce worth of gear to festival).

What to do with it, if you're a viking? We've managed to document oiled

linen to the eighth century and oiled silk to the ninth century:

http://www.tufts.edu/~mcavines/glassdesign2.html (As transparent material

for designing stained glass windows...)

Googling on "oiled silk" gets you an article on "Costumes of al-Andalus:

the Umayyad Caliphate", (Moorish Spain 900 - 1000 AD), "Mushamma was an

oiled silk used for rainproof cloaks", citing as reference for this:

RB Serjeant Islamic Textiles: Material for a history up to the Mongol

Conquest. Beirut, Libairie du Liban 1972 (I haven't been able to get this

text.)

Earlier period than that, and you just start getting lots of presumably

spurious references to oiled silk paper condoms in China.

Whereas modern oilskin is mostly oiled or waxed cotton canvas. Oilcloths

and tarpaulins were so common in the 18th-19th century as standard

waterproof material that I'm tempted to think that the reason you don't

find common references to it in period is that it was such an everyday,

workaday thing that it was so commonplace as to be not worth mentioning.

Of course, that's perilously close to the 'if they had it they would have

used it' argument that's so utterly circular and spurious. Somewhere I

have a collection of 18th/19th century recipes, which I can dump on the

curious. They mostly resemble this modern redaction:

http://codesmiths.com/shed/workshop/techniques/oilcloth/

At the moment, our main use has been waterproof cloaks, hoods, and we've

sold a moderate amount to people for tents, cloaks, groundsheets and

yurts. What I want is documentation on it, but I'm probably not going to

get such. Documentation on linen, hemp or nettlecloth waterproofed with

linseed oil, grease, wax or pitch would be nice. I've myriads of

references and recipes for oilcloths, oilskins and tarpaulins from around

the mid eighteenth century onwards, I just can't find anything much

between the 9th and 17th centuries, and the two early period references I

have are secondary on a good day and in the one case, not a reference to

oiled linen for _waterproofing_ (it was being used as a light transmitting

canvas to sketch stainglass window patterns on) and the moorish oiled

silks are not really going to resemble oilskin that much, I think (it was

unclear whether it was for garment or parasol use).

Later period partial references, though, do exist:

Plague doctor cloaks:

http://www.discover.com/issues/nov-01/features/featblack/

St Bees man shrouds:

http://www.stbees.org.uk/history/hist_sbman1.htm

Reference to waxed cloth in The Goodman of Paris:

http://www.gardenhistoryinfo.com/medieval/goodman.html

Cerecloth seems to be the main term, anglicised from the french (cir?).

Main problem is that it has become exclusively linked to waxed embalming

cloths in the literature, and hence is mostly used as a harbinger of death

indicator, and there is very little use of the word in any other setting

that may indicate other uses to which it was put. Usually linen. However,

a waxed waterproof cloth is so useful, and fairly expensive, so that it

must have been used for more than wrapping bodies in.

So yes, very, very difficult to track down any sort of info on

waterproofed cloth previous to the 18th C. Mind you, I'm not trying

_really_ hard.

Iarnulfr.

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:52:02 +1300 (NZDT)

From: "Zane R. V. Bruce" <zane at paradise.gen.nz>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Documenting oilskin, was Re: experimental

archeology

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

Zane R. V. Bruce wrote:

<<< Plague doctor cloaks:

http://www.discover.com/issues/nov-01/features/featblack/

St Bees man shrouds:

http://www.stbees.org.uk/history/hist_sbman1.htm >>>

Bugger, those links no longer work, that teaches me to cut and paste from

old blog posts. I'll have to find alternate examples of those.

Grr, internets, why do you forsake me.

Iarnulfr.

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:00:06 +1300 (NZDT)

From: "Zane R. V. Bruce" <zane at paradise.gen.nz>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Documenting oilskin, was Re: experimental

archeology

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

Zane R. V. Bruce wrote:

Plague doctor cloaks:

http://scienceblogs.com/retrospectacle/2008/01/bird_hats_and_wax_pants_antipl.php

St Bees man shrouds:

http://www.stbees.org.uk/history/stbeesman2.htm

(about 2/3 way down the page, ten thickness of waxcloth used to wrap the

body)

Iarnulfr

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:09:22 +1100

From: Zebee Johnstone <zebeej at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Documenting oilskin, was Re: experimental

archeology

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Zane R. V. Bruce <zane at paradise.gen.nz> wrote:

Zane R. V. Bruce wrote:

<<< Plague doctor cloaks:

http://scienceblogs.com/retrospectacle/2008/01/bird_hats_and_wax_pants_antipl.php

St Bees man shrouds:

http://www.stbees.org.uk/history/stbeesman2.htm

(about 2/3 way down the page, ten thickness of waxcloth used to wrap the

body) >>>

Hmm... so in both cases it seems to be to protect from bad air? It's

my understanding that plague was thought to be carried by bad air, and

presumably anyone near a few days old corpse is going to think the

air's not that good.

That it also stops liquids would be obvious from the corpse I suppose.

That waxed cloth is expensive may or may not mean it was used

elsewhere. I've just finished Keith Thomas's "The End of Life: Roads

to Fulfillment in Early Modern England" and the late 14s appear to be

when people started seriously looking at how to prolong their fame

after death - so more monuments and brasses and inscriptions as well

as endowing chantries. These ain't cheap... and neither are lead

coffins.

So perhaps spending lots of money on a corpse was a form of that?

(Or perhaps the person died of something nasty and so they really had

to protect against bad air?)

I wonder how robust wax cloth is. I've never made any so don't know

how well it stands up to being wrinkled and moved.

Silfren

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:14:30 +1100

From: Karen Hovenga <khovenga at tpg.com.au>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Documenting oilskin, was Re: experimental

archeology

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

Abbotsford uses linen dipped in beeswax as a period form of Gladwrap for

jars etc.

You can see a picture of it here -

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vonmonstah/461169123/

I'll check the documentation with the instigator of the technology, but I

trust her.

Sara

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:26:32 +1300 (NZDT)

From: "Zane R. V. Bruce" <zane at paradise.gen.nz>

Subject: Re: [Lochac] Documenting oilskin, was Re: experimental

archeology

To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"

Zebee Johnstone wrote:

<<< Hmm... so in both cases it seems to be to protect from bad air? It's

my understanding that plague was thought to be carried by bad air, and

presumably anyone near a few days old corpse is going to think the

air's not that good. >>>

Yep - in actual fact it has been surmised by modern researchers that the

actual effect of the plague doctor outfits was that it was mildly

impervious to the yersina pestis carrying fleas and tended stop any

infectious sputum or other liquid from the infected contacting said

doctor. But the fact it was used indicates that waxed cloth was a known

and used material.

<<< That it also stops liquids would be obvious from the corpse I suppose. >>>

Yep. The problem is that I cannot find other references to it in the high

middle ages _other_ than the death-linked poetic use of the term Cerecloth

- people having visions or premonitions of people 'in their cerecloth' as

harbingers of death. The fact that it was a waterproof cloth of use in

dealing with leaky/manky corpses in a relatively clean manner has lead to

the written mention of cerecloth being almost exclusively about death.

It seems obvious that there are plenty of other uses for waterproof cloth

based on a wax or oil method, and the Goodman of Paris mention does

underline that, but it's the only non-death associated mention that I can

find.

<<< I wonder how robust wax cloth is. I've never made any so don't know

how well it stands up to being wrinkled and moved. >>>

Fairly much interchangeable with modern oilskins (many of which are based

on petroleum waxes). Can be made very stiff and crackly if you use a pure

wax only mix, or can be pretty much like oilskin if you use a

wax/oil/resin mix. Drawback to the 19th century recipes I have used is

that they remain tackier than modern oilskin, and can be pungent

(particularly if you include raw lanolin). And, of course, extremely

flammable. I'd advise using a modern oilskin. They're pretty much

functionally identical, and easier to get hold of than making your own. I

have around a hundred or so metres left. Want some?

Iarnulfr.