lace-msg - 4/4/09 ਀ഊMaking lace in period and SCA. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: naalbinding-msg, knitting-msg, sewing-tools-msg, tapestries-msg, silk-msg, linen-msg, embroidery-msg, p-knitting-bib. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: palmer at cis.ohio-state.edu (sharon ann palmer) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Tatted lace... ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㐀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㄀㨀㐀㔀㨀㐀㐀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science ਀ഊCS192408418 at LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (ANEAR,K) writes: ਀㸀ऀ䄀渀礀 琀愀琀琀攀爀猀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀㼀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀ऀ䤀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀愀渀琀猀 琀漀 猀眀愀瀀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀Ⰰ 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀ഊ> period or not (I only really have contemporary patterns) ਀㸀ऀ瀀氀攀愀猀攀 眀爀椀琀攀 琀漀 洀攀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䴀椀氀愀搀礀Ⰰ 䤀 愀洀 愀昀爀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 洀甀挀栀 漀甀琀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀ഊof Handmade Lace, Emily Jackson, 1900, says "known and practised for ਀漀瘀攀爀 愀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀∀ 眀栀椀挀栀 洀愀琀挀栀攀猀 洀礀 洀攀洀漀爀椀攀猀 漀昀 椀琀 戀攀最椀渀渀椀渀最 愀爀漀甀渀搀 ㄀㠀　　⸀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 䰀攀 倀漀洀瀀攀Ⰰ ㄀㔀㔀㤀Ⰰ 爀攀瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ⴀ戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀ⴀഊpatterns. I got it from the Lacemaker 23732-G Bothell Highway SE ਀䈀漀琀栀眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 圀䄀 㤀㠀　㈀㄀⠀㈀　㘀⤀㐀㠀㘀ⴀ　㤀㐀　Ⰰ 眀栀漀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀猀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀⸀ഊTheir catalog will make you salivate. ਀ഊNetting, macrame, needlelace, and knitting are also period. ਀ഊRanvaig ਀匀栀愀爀漀渀 倀愀氀洀攀爀   瀀愀氀洀攀爀 愀琀 挀椀猀⸀漀栀椀漀ⴀ猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ilaine at panix.com (Liz Stokes) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Tatted lace... ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㔀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㄀㨀　㐀㨀　㜀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC ਀ഊpalmer at cis.ohio-state.edu (sharon ann palmer) writes: ਀㸀䌀匀㄀㤀㈀㐀　㠀㐀㄀㠀 愀琀 䰀唀匀吀⸀䰀䄀吀刀伀䈀䔀⸀䔀䐀唀⸀䄀唀 ⠀䄀一䔀䄀刀Ⰰ䬀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀ऀ䄀渀礀 琀愀琀琀攀爀猀 漀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀㼀⸀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀ऀ䤀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀愀渀琀猀 琀漀 猀眀愀瀀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 眀椀琀栀 洀攀Ⰰ 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀ഊ>> period or not (I only really have contemporary patterns) ਀㸀㸀ऀ瀀氀攀愀猀攀 眀爀椀琀攀 琀漀 洀攀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䴀椀氀愀搀礀Ⰰ 䤀 愀洀 愀昀爀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 洀甀挀栀 漀甀琀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀ഊ>of Handmade Lace, Emily Jackson, 1900, says "known and practised for ਀㸀漀瘀攀爀 愀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀∀ 眀栀椀挀栀 洀愀琀挀栀攀猀 洀礀 洀攀洀漀爀椀攀猀 漀昀 椀琀 戀攀最椀渀渀椀渀最 愀爀漀甀渀搀 ㄀㠀　　⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䤀 搀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 䰀攀 倀漀洀瀀攀Ⰰ ㄀㔀㔀㤀Ⰰ 爀攀瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ⴀ戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀ⴀഊ>patterns. I got it from the Lacemaker 23732-G Bothell Highway SE ਀㸀䈀漀琀栀眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 圀䄀 㤀㠀　㈀㄀⠀㈀　㘀⤀㐀㠀㘀ⴀ　㤀㐀　Ⰰ 眀栀漀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀猀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀⸀ഊ>Their catalog will make you salivate. ਀㸀ഊ>Netting, macrame, needlelace, and knitting are also period. ਀ഊ Tatted lace as we know it is out of period, however if you are an ਀攀渀琀栀甀猀椀愀猀琀椀挀 琀愀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ 椀琀 椀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀漀 椀洀椀琀愀琀攀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 渀攀攀搀氀攀 氀愀挀攀ഊpatterns of our period. The larks-head knot used in tatting is ਀椀渀搀攀猀琀椀渀最甀椀猀栀愀戀氀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 戀甀琀琀漀渀栀漀氀攀 猀琀椀琀挀栀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀爀漀眀渀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 甀猀攀搀ഊin needle lace. If you carefully study some of the bobbin lace edging patterns ਀椀渀 䰀攀 倀漀洀瀀攀 ⠀攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀猀 搀攀猀椀最渀攀搀 琀漀 椀洀椀琀愀琀攀 渀攀攀搀氀攀 氀愀挀攀⤀ 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀ഊfind you can work them out in tatting. The result will not be as authentic ਀愀猀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 椀渀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 漀爀 渀攀攀搀氀攀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀 漀渀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 琀攀氀氀ഊfrom further than a foot away and it will be much better than most available ਀洀漀搀攀爀渀 氀愀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ䤀氀愀椀渀攀ഊ-- ਀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀         簀 ऀ嘀椀欀椀渀最猀㼀 吀栀攀爀攀 愀椀渀✀琀 渀漀 瘀椀欀椀渀最猀 栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 甀猀 栀漀渀攀猀琀ഊIlaine de Cameron | farmers. The town was burning, the villagers were ਀                   簀 ऀ搀攀愀搀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 渀攀攀搀 琀栀漀猀攀 猀栀攀攀瀀 愀渀礀眀愀礀⸀ 吀栀愀琀✀猀 漀甀爀ഊilaine at panix.com | story and we're sticking to it. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀⸀⸀⸀椀猀 椀琀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀ഊDate: 8 Jun 1993 13:46:39 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀䄀一䤀堀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀渀搀 唀渀椀砀Ⰰ 一夀䌀ഊ ਀搀挀㈀㌀㠀 愀琀 挀氀攀瘀攀氀愀渀搀⸀䘀爀攀攀渀攀琀⸀䔀搀甀 ⠀䰀椀渀搀愀 䄀⸀ 䴀挀䴀甀氀氀攀渀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>Cawould be period (circa 11th-12th century) ਀㸀䄀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀渀礀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀爀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 椀昀 椀琀 椀猀㼀ഊ ਀ऀ䠀攀爀攀眀椀琀栀 洀礀 猀琀漀挀欀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 ⴀ 椀昀 礀漀甀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀椀猀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀Ⰰ 䤀✀瘀攀 愀搀搀攀搀ഊa short addendum. ਀ഊ>I heard that crocheting could be period - is that true? And if it is, ਀㸀眀栀攀爀攀 䤀 挀愀渀 昀椀渀搀ഊ>sources of period crocheting "patterns"? Crocheting is one of my favorite ਀㸀栀漀戀戀椀攀猀 椀渀 洀甀渀搀愀渀攀 眀漀爀氀搀 愀渀搀 䤀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 攀砀瀀愀渀搀 椀琀 琀漀 匀䌀䄀ⴀ眀漀爀氀搀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀倀氀攀愀猀攀Ⰰ 爀攀瀀氀礀 戀礀 攀ⴀ洀愀椀氀 猀椀渀挀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 最漀漀搀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀椀氀椀琀椀攀猀 琀漀 爀攀愀搀 刀椀愀氀琀漀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀✀氀氀 搀漀 戀漀琀栀 猀椀渀挀攀 漀琀栀攀爀猀 愀爀攀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最⸀ 䄀 瘀攀爀礀 攀愀爀氀礀ഊform of croceted lace is late period (second half of the 16th century) but ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 昀漀爀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀攀搀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀开䰀愀挀攀㨀 愀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀开Ⰰ 匀愀渀琀椀渀愀 䴀⸀ 䰀攀瘀攀礀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 ㄀㤀㠀㌀ 戀礀 琀栀攀 嘀椀挀琀漀爀椀愀 ☀ 䄀氀戀攀爀琀ഊMuseum inn association with W. S. Maney & Son. Ltd. p.92 ਀ऀ∀夀攀琀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ㄀㠀㐀　✀猀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 眀椀搀攀猀瀀爀攀愀搀 愀搀漀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀ഊcrochet, both inIreland and elsewhere. The origins of this technique are ਀漀戀猀挀甀爀攀 戀甀琀 椀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀 椀渀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ㄀㜀琀栀ഊcentury. Hooked needles were used in both the passementerie and lace industries ਀愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 ✀猀琀椀琀挀栀✀ 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 氀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 愀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀 眀愀猀ഊknown as a 'crochetage'. The development of this stitch into an independant ਀琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀 椀猀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀  戀礀 琀栀攀 䰀攀琀琀攀爀猀 倀愀琀攀渀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀爀攀 最爀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀ഊMercers in 1653 and which listed among their goods all forms of lace and braid, ਀椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 ✀挀漀爀搀漀渀猀 昀愀挀漀渀 搀攀 戀爀漀搀攀爀椀攀Ⰰ 攀渀爀椀挀栀攀猀 攀渀 樀漀氀椀瘀攀猀 焀甀椀 猀攀 昀愀挀漀渀渀攀渀琀ഊa l'escuille, aux des doights, au crochet, et au fuseau'. The new technique ਀眀愀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 猀琀椀洀甀氀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 瘀漀最甀攀Ⰰ 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 栀愀氀昀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀攀瘀攀渀琀攀攀渀琀栀ഊcentury, for gimp and all froms of metal lace and passementerie. There are a ਀渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 琀漀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀椀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 琀栀攀愀琀ഊthe term was used both for the hooked needle and for a product. [...] 'Chain ਀氀愀挀攀✀ 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 攀焀甀椀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 琀攀爀洀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 ഊchainettes de crochet, although the term probably referred originally to an ਀漀瀀攀渀 挀漀爀搀 漀爀 戀爀愀椀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 攀愀爀氀椀攀猀琀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 搀愀琀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀ⴀ猀椀砀琀攀攀渀琀栀ഊcentury; the Earl of Leicster had beds 'garneshed with a chaine lace of goulde ਀愀渀搀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀ⴀ挀漀瀀瀀攀爀✀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 愀氀猀漀 昀攀愀琀甀爀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 圀愀爀搀爀漀戀攀 䄀挀挀漀甀渀琀猀 漀昀 儀甀攀攀渀 ഊElizabeth. The appearance of late seventeenth-century lace is perhaps ਀猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀 椀渀 昀椀最甀爀攀 ㌀㤀㈀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 戀漀爀搀攀爀 栀愀猀 愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 挀氀甀洀猀礀ഊdesign which none the less relates to better quality laces of the late ਀猀攀瘀攀渀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀渀搀 椀琀猀 挀栀愀椀渀攀搀 猀琀爀甀挀琀甀爀攀 挀愀渀 漀渀氀礀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 昀漀爀洀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 ഊa hooked needle in the manner of crochet." ਀ഊ Whew, I'm personally a little confused, since she dates the invention ਀漀昀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ㄀㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 瀀爀漀挀攀攀搀猀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀⸀ഊ_Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd_ by Janet Arnold quotes one of those ਀眀愀爀搀爀漀戀攀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀猀 匀愀渀琀椀渀愀 䰀攀瘀攀礀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀㨀 ∀䔀渀戀爀愀甀搀攀爀椀渀最攀 漀昀 愀 瀀愀椀爀攀 漀昀 匀氀攀瘀攀猀ഊfor a Wastcoat of fyne lynnen Clothe wrought allover with a worke of white ਀䌀栀攀礀渀攀 猀椀氀欀攀 氀愀挀攀 瀀漀眀搀攀爀攀搀 昀甀氀氀 漀昀 猀琀椀琀挀栀攀猀 昀漀爀 眀漀爀欀攀洀愀渀猀栀椀瀀瀀 琀栀攀爀漀昀 砀氀猀⸀ ഊItem for v oz of Cheyne lace and silke spente upon the same sleves at iijs ਀椀椀椀樀搀 琀栀漀甀渀挀攀⸀⸀⸀⸀∀ 瀀⸀ ㄀㐀㔀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 瀀栀漀琀漀最爀愀瀀栀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䰀攀瘀礀 焀甀漀琀攀 栀愀猀 琀栀攀 氀椀渀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 搀攀猀椀最渀 愀氀氀ഊdone in chain stitch, with no solid areas at all. It looks a little like the ਀㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 戀爀愀椀搀攀搀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀猀 ⠀渀漀琀 琀栀攀 琀愀瀀攀 漀渀攀猀⤀ 漀渀氀礀 眀椀搀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀椀琀栀 ഊthe more realistic rather than geometric design that the technique allows. ਀ऀ䤀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 漀昀 搀漀椀渀最 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 昀漀爀 倀椀欀攀 漀爀 吀䤀 最椀瘀椀渀最 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀ഊdirections for imitating 16th century bobbin laces for people who want the ਀氀漀漀欀 愀渀搀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀愀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀漀琀愀氀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀椀琀礀⸀ 一漀眀 䤀 愀洀 戀攀最椀渀渀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀椀渀欀 ഊthat this is exactly the thing described here and it's actually correct ਀⠀攀攀爀椀攀 栀甀栀㼀⤀⸀ 䤀✀洀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀 琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 戀礀 琀栀攀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀 ✀瀀漀眀搀攀爀攀搀 昀甀氀氀 漀昀 ഊstitches'. I can't think of anything in the one photo I have that would fit ਀琀栀愀琀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀⸀ 䤀✀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 搀椀最 猀漀洀攀 洀漀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䄀䐀䐀䔀一䐀唀䴀㨀ഊ I spoke with Lady Isabelle of Salisbury a while ago and she is of ਀琀栀攀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 䤀✀洀 椀渀挀氀椀渀攀搀 琀漀 愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀⤀ 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀攀 䤀✀洀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀椀渀最ഊhere is worked somewhat like needlelace or Irish crochet on a parchment ਀瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 氀愀挀攀洀愀欀攀爀 眀漀甀氀搀 洀愀欀攀 愀 氀漀渀最 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀 挀栀愀椀渀 ⠀猀漀甀渀搀猀 搀甀氀氀 栀甀栀㼀⤀ 愀渀搀ഊcouch this down on the pattern, stiching the chains together where they touch. ਀ऀ一漀眀 䤀 愀洀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最 椀昀 琀栀攀 ✀瀀漀眀搀攀爀攀搀 昀甀氀氀 漀昀 猀琀椀琀挀栀攀猀✀ 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀ഊneedlelace embellishments connecting the crocheted chain. Purely guesswork ਀琀栀漀甀最栀 ⴀ 䤀✀氀氀 欀攀攀瀀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 攀砀椀猀琀椀渀最 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀⸀ ഊ-- ਀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀         簀 ऀ嘀椀欀椀渀最猀㼀 吀栀攀爀攀 愀椀渀✀琀 渀漀 瘀椀欀椀渀最猀 栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 樀甀猀琀 甀猀 栀漀渀攀猀琀ഊIlaine de Cameron | farmers. The town was burning, the villagers were ਀                   簀 ऀ搀攀愀搀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 渀攀攀搀 琀栀漀猀攀 猀栀攀攀瀀 愀渀礀眀愀礀⸀ 吀栀愀琀✀猀 漀甀爀ഊilaine at panix.com | story and we're sticking to it. ਀ഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: ddfr at quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman) ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䴀愀挀爀愀洀攀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊOrganization: University of Chicago ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ 　㌀㨀㄀㈀㨀㐀㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 漀昀 䐀攀渀搀攀爀洀漀渀搀攀 瀀漀猀琀椀渀最 漀渀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀✀猀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀匀漀洀攀漀渀攀 愀 眀攀攀欀 漀爀 猀漀 愀最漀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀攀搀 漀渀 洀愀挀爀愀洀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 漀渀ഊtatting. Macrame is in fact a period lace-making technique, although ਀琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 眀漀爀欀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 漀昀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 氀漀漀欀 愀 氀漀琀 氀椀欀攀 洀漀猀琀ഊmodern stuff. The books I have read claim it dates to the 15th ਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 渀漀 搀椀爀攀挀琀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 昀漀爀 椀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀ഊcentury. I have seen photographs of three or four 16th or early 17th ਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀Ⰰ 愀氀氀 漀昀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀爀攀 猀琀爀椀瀀猀 漀昀 眀栀椀琀攀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 椀渀ഊin some cases made of linen thread, using the same knots as modern or ਀嘀椀挀琀漀爀椀愀渀 洀愀挀爀愀洀攀 ⠀挀氀漀瘀攀 栀椀琀挀栀 愀渀搀 猀焀甀愀爀攀 欀渀漀琀⤀⸀  吀栀攀礀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 愀爀攀愀猀ഊof loose threads and are much finer than most modern macrame although ਀漀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀愀爀猀攀 猀椀搀攀 昀漀爀 氀愀挀攀 ⠀椀渀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 漀渀攀 挀愀猀攀 琀栀攀 戀漀漀欀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀ഊit was edging for something like a tablecloth rather than intended ਀昀漀爀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最⤀⸀ഊ ਀䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀樀挀⬀ 愀琀 挀猀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䴀漀渀椀挀愀 䌀攀氀氀椀漀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Macrame in period ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀挀栀漀漀氀 漀昀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 匀挀椀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 䌀愀爀渀攀最椀攀 䴀攀氀氀漀渀ഊDate: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 14:30:25 GMT ਀ഊThere is also a type of macrame that has been dated to 10th century Birka ਀⠀匀眀攀搀攀渀⤀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 椀渀 猀瀀椀爀愀氀ⴀ眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 眀椀爀攀 ⠀琀栀愀琀 椀猀Ⰰ 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀ഊaround a fiber (silk?) core) and involved two knots. One of the knots is ਀搀漀渀攀 椀渀 愀 猀椀渀最氀攀 琀栀爀攀愀搀㬀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀猀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 樀漀椀渀 琀眀漀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀⸀  䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 ഊknow modern macrame, so I don't know if there are similar knots that readers ਀眀漀甀氀搀 欀渀漀眀 戀礀 渀愀洀攀⸀  䄀匀䌀䤀䤀 猀椀洀瀀氀礀 眀椀氀氀 渀漀琀 猀甀昀昀椀挀攀 昀漀爀 椀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 ഊI'll be happy to teach the knots to anyone who asks me in person (like at ਀倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䔀氀氀椀猀椀昀ഊmjc at cs.cmu.edu ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 瀀愀氀洀攀爀 愀琀 挀椀猀⸀漀栀椀漀ⴀ猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀猀栀愀爀漀渀 愀渀渀 瀀愀氀洀攀爀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䴀愀挀爀愀洀攀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ഊDate: 24 Jun 1993 04:39:15 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 吀栀攀 伀栀椀漀 匀琀愀琀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 䐀攀瀀琀⸀ 漀昀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 䤀渀昀漀⸀ 匀挀椀攀渀挀攀ഊ ਀洀樀挀⬀ 愀琀 挀猀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䴀漀渀椀挀愀 䌀攀氀氀椀漀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>There is also a type of macrame that has been dated to 10th century Birka ਀ഊWhen I first saw this knotte decoration, I also called it Macrame. ਀䄀 昀爀椀攀渀搀 瀀漀椀渀琀攀搀 漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 愀渀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 渀愀洀攀⸀ഊThe knots are very similar to those of Chinese knotting. ਀ഊRanvaig ਀匀栀愀爀漀渀 倀愀氀洀攀爀         瀀愀氀洀攀爀 愀琀 挀椀猀⸀漀栀椀漀ⴀ猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀樀挀⬀ 愀琀 挀猀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䴀漀渀椀挀愀 䌀攀氀氀椀漀⤀ഊSubject: Re: macrame in period ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀挀栀漀漀氀 漀昀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 匀挀椀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 䌀愀爀渀攀最椀攀 䴀攀氀氀漀渀ഊDate: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 04:51:46 GMT ਀ഊGreetings all! A few people have asked me for a reference for the Viking ਀∀洀愀挀爀愀洀攀∀ 䤀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 椀渀 愀渀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 瀀漀猀琀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀 愀 瀀栀漀琀漀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀ഊfrom a grave at Birka in the article "The Textile Finds from Birka", by ਀䄀最渀攀猀 䜀攀椀樀攀爀Ⰰ 椀渀 开䌀氀漀琀栀 愀渀搀 䌀氀漀琀栀椀渀最 椀渀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀开 ⠀攀搀⸀ 一⸀䈀⸀ 䠀愀爀琀攀 ഊand K.G. Ponting, Heinemann Educational Books, The Pasold Research Fund Ltd, ਀㄀㤀㠀㌀⸀  吀栀攀 琀攀砀琀 挀漀渀琀愀椀渀猀 愀 戀爀椀攀昀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀⸀  ⠀夀漀甀✀氀氀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 最攀琀ഊthe book through ILL.) ਀ഊAn article in _Early Period_ (ed. David and Rebecca Wendelken) Issue #7 ਀⠀愀戀漀甀琀 㐀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀Ⰰ 攀砀愀挀琀 搀愀琀攀 渀漀琀 栀愀渀搀礀⤀ 猀栀漀眀猀 栀漀眀 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀攀 欀渀漀琀猀⸀  一漀琀攀Ⰰഊhowever, that there is an error in the depiction of the knot involving two ਀猀琀爀愀渀搀猀㬀 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 椀猀 愀挀挀甀爀愀琀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀✀琀 焀甀椀琀攀 最攀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 昀爀漀洀 栀攀爀攀⸀ഊI had a friend show me. With that 20/20 hindsight, I can see that if you ਀眀漀爀欀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 搀椀愀最爀愀洀 ⨀戀愀挀欀眀愀爀搀猀⨀ 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 瀀甀稀稀氀攀 椀琀 漀甀琀⸀ഊ ਀䤀✀氀氀 戀攀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 琀漀 搀攀洀漀渀猀琀爀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀 琀漀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 愀猀欀猀 椀渀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀⸀ഊThere are several other people in the East who can probably do so as well, ਀戀甀琀 渀漀渀攀 漀昀 甀猀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 椀琀 琀漀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀 氀椀欀攀 䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀⸀ഊ ਀䔀氀氀椀猀椀昀ഊmjc at cs.cmu.edu ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀 瀀爀椀挀欀椀渀最猀㼀ഊDate: 21 Jul 1993 13:46:45 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀䄀一䤀堀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀渀搀 唀渀椀砀Ⰰ 一夀䌀ഊ ਀猀琀攀瘀攀最 愀琀 攀氀搀爀攀搀⸀䐀䤀䄀䰀椀砀⸀漀稀⸀愀甀 ⠀匀琀攀瘀攀 䜀甀渀渀攀氀氀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>I am in search of a source or sources of period bobbin lace prickings. I have ਀㸀愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 攀渀挀漀甀渀琀攀爀攀搀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀ⴀ琀爀攀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 ⠀䌀爀漀洀眀攀氀氀✀猀 戀愀戀礀 氀愀挀攀⤀⸀ 䤀 愀氀猀漀 漀眀渀 愀ഊ>copy of Cynthia Voysey's "Bobbin lace in photographs" but that starts at ਀㸀㄀㘀　　⸀ 䤀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 挀愀渀 最椀瘀攀 洀攀 愀渀礀 瀀漀椀渀琀攀爀猀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 洀漀猀琀 最爀愀琀攀昀甀氀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ吀栀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 漀昀 挀栀漀椀挀攀 椀猀 䰀攀 倀漀洀瀀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 愀 昀愀挀猀椀洀椀氀攀ഊverision by Dover for about $20. The first edition was published in 1559, ਀琀栀漀甀最栀琀 琀栀攀 䐀漀瘀攀爀 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀 栀愀猀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀愀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀爀 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ഊThe patterns are mostly Cluny (or rather, Cluny is an imitation of this style) ਀愀渀搀 琀愀瀀攀Ⰰ 爀愀琀栀攀爀 氀椀欀攀 刀甀猀猀椀愀渀 琀愀瀀攀 氀愀挀攀猀⸀ 䨀甀猀琀 搀漀渀✀琀 昀漀氀氀漀眀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最ഊinstructions in the back, the (modern) author doesn't use nearly enough ਀戀漀戀戀椀渀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀漀洀攀 漀甀琀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 爀椀最栀琀⸀ഊ If you prefer Torchon, there is a Swedish (I think) edition of a ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀 氀愀挀攀 戀漀漀欀 ⴀ 琀栀攀 䴀漀搀攀氀戀甀挀栀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 洀漀猀琀氀礀 吀漀爀挀栀漀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀ഊmodern prickings that are included in this edition look very good though I ਀栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 琀爀椀攀搀 愀渀礀 礀攀琀⸀ 唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀Ⰰ 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 椀琀 爀甀渀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 ␀㘀　 唀匀⸀ഊ After you have worked out a few of the Le Pompe patterns, you might ਀琀爀礀 礀漀甀爀 栀愀渀搀 愀琀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 漀甀琀 瀀爀椀挀欀椀渀最猀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀攀猀 礀漀甀 猀攀攀 椀渀 ഊperiod portraits - the paintings are so detailed that this is fairly easily ਀搀漀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ䤀氀愀椀渀攀ഊ-- ਀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀         簀 䤀氀愀椀渀攀✀猀 䔀ⴀ娀 䜀愀爀戀 圀漀爀欀猀栀漀瀀 ⸀⸀⸀  伀欀愀礀Ⰰ 渀漀眀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 昀愀戀爀椀挀ഊIlaine de Cameron | off the loom (or away from the kittens). It needs to be ਀                   簀 昀椀渀椀猀栀攀搀⸀ 䨀甀猀琀 昀椀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 昀甀氀氀攀爀猀✀ 攀愀爀琀栀Ⰰ 愀 挀漀渀瘀攀渀椀攀渀琀 ഊilaine at panix.com | stream, and some husky peasants to pound it with rocks. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀ഊDate: 22 Jul 1993 13:09:20 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀䄀一䤀堀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀渀搀 唀渀椀砀Ⰰ 一夀䌀ഊ ਀栀漀氀猀琀攀渀 愀琀 最漀氀搀攀渀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>As long as we're discussing bobbin lace... ਀㸀ഊ>I am a beginning bobbin lacer who is almost ready to try a real project. ਀㸀吀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀Ⰰ 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 漀渀挀攀 䤀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 甀猀攀猀 漀昀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀ഊ>in period, I could find very few. I know that it existed in late ਀㸀瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀甀昀昀猀⼀挀甀昀昀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 琀栀愀琀 䤀 猀攀攀 椀渀 瀀漀爀琀爀愀椀琀猀 氀漀漀欀ഊ>like they were done in another lace form (reticella? I'm certainly no ਀㸀氀愀挀攀 攀砀瀀攀爀琀⸀⸀⸀⤀⸀  䌀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 渀漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀攀 䤀 猀攀攀 椀渀 瀀漀爀琀爀愀椀琀猀 氀漀漀欀猀ഊ>even remotely like the patterns I've been practising on. So what was ਀㸀戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀㼀  圀愀猀 椀琀 樀甀猀琀 甀猀攀搀 愀猀 愀 最爀漀甀渀搀 昀漀爀 渀攀攀搀氀攀 洀愀搀攀ഊ>lace? Or am I just looking at the wrong portraits? ਀ഊ Many bobbin lace patterns of the period were designed to imitate ਀渀攀攀搀氀攀 氀愀挀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 昀愀爀 洀漀爀攀 琀椀洀攀 挀漀渀猀甀洀椀渀最 愀渀搀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀⸀ 伀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䐀漀瘀攀爀ഊpaperbacks - Mincoff and Marriage, _Pillow_Lace_ has a photo of an extant ਀氀攀渀最琀栀 漀昀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 氀漀漀欀猀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 眀愀猀 搀爀愀眀渀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 ഊreticella patterns in Vinciolo (a 16th cent. needle lace pattern book). ਀䴀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 䌀氀甀渀礀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 昀愀氀氀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀椀猀 挀愀琀攀最漀爀礀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 氀漀漀欀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀ഊfolios of Cluny patterns you are likely to find several which will be ਀瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀氀礀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀愀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 漀甀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 昀愀挀琀 䤀✀洀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 甀瀀 漀渀攀 猀甀挀栀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀ഊnow for a handkerchief. As a general rule you can always substitute bobbin ਀昀漀爀 渀攀攀搀氀攀 氀愀挀攀 愀渀礀眀栀攀爀攀 礀漀甀 猀攀攀 椀琀 椀渀 瀀漀爀琀爀愀椀琀猀 愀渀搀 椀昀 礀漀甀 氀漀漀欀 瘀攀爀礀 挀氀漀猀攀氀礀ഊyou may find it *is* bobbin lace. ਀ऀ䤀昀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀 戀攀挀甀愀猀攀 渀漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 氀愀挀攀猀 礀漀甀 猀攀攀 氀漀漀欀ഊlike Torchon, I think it is because that style was less popular in England ਀愀渀搀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀 氀愀挀攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 猀甀爀瘀椀瘀椀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀ഊpattern book, the Modelbuch which is mostly Torchon patterns, so perhaps the ਀猀琀礀氀攀 眀愀猀 洀漀爀攀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 椀渀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀礀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 愀 昀攀眀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 漀昀 吀漀爀挀栀漀渀ഊlace in period portraits in Santina Levey's book _Lace_a_History_, but ਀琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 昀愀爀 漀甀琀渀甀洀戀攀爀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀 愀渀搀 琀愀瀀攀 猀琀礀氀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ䤀氀愀椀渀攀ഊ-- ਀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀         簀 䤀氀愀椀渀攀✀猀 䔀ⴀ娀 䜀愀爀戀 圀漀爀欀猀栀漀瀀 ⸀⸀⸀  伀欀愀礀Ⰰ 渀漀眀 琀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 昀愀戀爀椀挀ഊIlaine de Cameron | off the loom (or away from the kittens). It needs to be ਀                   簀 昀椀渀椀猀栀攀搀⸀ 䨀甀猀琀 昀椀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 昀甀氀氀攀爀猀✀ 攀愀爀琀栀Ⰰ 愀 挀漀渀瘀攀渀椀攀渀琀 ഊilaine at panix.com | stream, and some husky peasants to pound it with rocks. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀漀渀渀愀 愀琀 欀眀愀渀琀氀攀渀⸀戀挀⸀䌀䄀 ⠀䐀漀渀渀愀 䠀爀礀渀欀椀眀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀ഊDate: 23 Jul 1993 16:17:30 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 吀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀 昀爀漀洀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀 䈀爀愀椀搀眀漀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀䄀琀 氀愀猀琀℀ 䄀 ⨀爀攀愀氀⨀ 琀漀瀀椀挀㨀ഊSteveg Stevegsson asked about period bobbin lace patterns. ਀ഊIlaine replies: ਀㸀        吀栀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 漀昀 挀栀漀椀挀攀 椀猀 䰀攀 倀漀洀瀀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 愀 昀愀挀猀椀洀椀氀攀ഊ>verision by Dover for about $20. ਀    吀栀攀 戀漀漀欀✀猀 昀甀氀氀 琀椀琀氀攀 椀猀 ∀䰀攀 倀漀洀瀀攀Ⰰ ㄀㔀㔀㤀 ⴀ 倀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 昀漀爀 嘀攀渀攀琀椀愀渀 䈀漀戀戀椀渀ഊLace" by Santina Levey and Patricia Payne. It is the most readily available ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 戀漀漀欀 ⠀戀氀攀猀猀椀渀最猀 漀渀 䐀漀瘀攀爀⤀℀ഊ ਀㸀 䨀甀猀琀 搀漀渀✀琀 昀漀氀氀漀眀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最ഊ> instructions in the back, the (modern) author doesn't use nearly enough ਀㸀 戀漀戀戀椀渀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀漀洀攀 漀甀琀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 爀椀最栀琀⸀ഊActually, I've found that Payne used thread that was too thin rather ਀琀栀愀渀 琀漀漀 昀攀眀 戀漀戀戀椀渀猀⸀ ⠀䄀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀渀琀爀椀戀甀琀攀搀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀⤀ 匀栀攀ഊalso uses some techniques that weren't developed until post-period. ਀唀猀攀 栀攀愀瘀椀攀爀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 礀漀甀✀氀氀 戀攀 昀椀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀✀瘀攀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 栀愀氀昀ⴀ搀漀稀攀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀攀搀椀甀洀ⴀ搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀礀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 愀渀搀 昀椀渀搀ഊthe results to be surprisingly attractive -- more so than either the ਀瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 漀爀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀氀愀椀渀攀Ⰰ 搀漀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀猀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 ∀栀漀氀攀猀∀ 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀猀ഊare supposed to represent? (The holes are about 1/16" across on the ਀瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 愀渀搀 漀渀氀礀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀琀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀⸀⤀ 吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 琀漀漀 戀椀最 琀漀ഊbe pin-holes, and would be very awkward to work as holes (and after removing ਀琀栀攀 氀愀挀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 瀀椀氀氀漀眀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀✀搀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 挀氀漀猀攀⤀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 䈀甀爀欀栀愀爀搀 ⠀猀攀攀ഊbelow) who interpreted them as "bumps" in the lace, to be worked as ਀瀀爀漀琀爀甀猀椀漀渀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 猀甀爀昀愀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀攀⸀ 䤀✀洀 琀漀礀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 琀栀愀琀ഊthey might represent placement for beads or spangles -- both have been ਀欀渀漀眀渀 琀漀 戀攀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀搀 琀漀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀㸀         䤀昀 礀漀甀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀 吀漀爀挀栀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 匀眀攀搀椀猀栀 ⠀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀⤀ 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 愀ഊ> period German lace book - the Modelbuch which is mostly Torchon and the ਀䄀爀攀 礀漀甀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 ∀一甀眀 䴀漀搀攀氀戀甀挀栀Ⰰ 愀氀氀攀爀氀攀礀 䜀愀琀琀甀渀最攀渀 䐀愀渀琀攀氀猀挀栀渀甀爀∀㼀ഊ("Modelbuch" only means "pattern-book" and there are many with that ਀眀漀爀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀⸀⤀ 䤀琀✀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 漀昀 ∀䘀愀猀挀椀渀愀琀椀渀最 䈀漀戀戀椀渀ഊLace" by Claire Burkhard and is a three-booklet set: an accurate-size ਀栀愀爀搀挀漀瘀攀爀 昀愀挀猀椀洀椀氀攀Ⰰ 愀 栀愀爀搀挀漀瘀攀爀 戀漀漀欀氀攀琀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀攀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀Ⰰഊand a folder of prickings for the worked samples. I paid about $US65 for ਀洀礀 挀漀瀀礀 琀眀漀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀⸀ 䈀甀爀欀栀愀爀搀 栀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀漀瘀攀氀礀 樀漀戀 椀渀琀攀爀瀀爀攀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊworking and usage of the lace (on towels, tablecloths, and the odd piece ਀漀昀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最⤀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 搀椀猀愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀爀 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 愀爀攀 洀漀猀琀氀礀 吀漀爀挀栀漀渀⸀ഊThey are not Torchon, and are fairly similar to the Pompe patterns. ਀ഊJoanna asks: ਀㸀 漀渀挀攀 䤀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀椀渀最 甀猀攀猀 漀昀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀ഊ> in period, I could find very few. I know that it existed in late ਀㸀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀甀昀昀猀⼀挀甀昀昀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 琀栀愀琀 䤀 猀攀攀 椀渀 瀀漀爀琀爀愀椀琀猀 氀漀漀欀ഊ> like they were done in another lace form ਀㸀 匀漀 眀栀愀琀 眀愀猀ഊ> bobbin lace used for? ਀ഊIlaine replies: ਀㸀 䴀愀渀礀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 眀攀爀攀 搀攀猀椀最渀攀搀 琀漀 椀洀椀琀愀琀攀ഊ> needle lace which is far more time consuming and expensive. ਀夀攀猀⸀ 䈀甀琀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀 栀愀搀 愀 氀椀昀攀 愀瀀愀爀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 椀洀椀琀愀琀攀 渀攀攀搀氀攀 氀愀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 猀甀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 漀渀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 氀椀渀攀渀猀 愀渀搀ഊundergarments rather than as decoration on outer garments. And Joanne, ਀琀甀爀渀 礀漀甀爀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 挀甀昀昀猀 愀渀搀 爀甀昀昀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 氀愀椀搀ഊON the garment. Many of the lines of braid and decoration on jackets and ਀最漀眀渀猀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀 昀愀挀琀 洀愀搀攀 眀椀琀栀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 漀昀琀攀渀 椀渀 洀攀琀愀氀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀⸀ 吀栀攀ഊstructure of the braids in Le Pompe supports this theory: many of the ਀戀爀愀椀搀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 瀀甀氀氀攀搀 漀甀琀 漀昀 猀栀愀瀀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 洀漀甀渀琀攀搀 漀渀ഊsome sort of backing. ਀ഊ> One of the Dover ਀㸀 瀀愀瀀攀爀戀愀挀欀猀 ⴀ 䴀椀渀挀漀昀昀 愀渀搀 䴀愀爀爀椀愀最攀Ⰰ 开倀椀氀氀漀眀开䰀愀挀攀开 栀愀猀 愀 瀀栀漀琀漀 漀昀 愀渀 攀砀琀愀渀琀ഊ> length of bobbin lace that looks like the pattern was drawn from the ਀㸀 爀攀琀椀挀攀氀氀愀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 椀渀 嘀椀渀挀椀漀氀漀 ⠀愀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀⸀ 渀攀攀搀氀攀 氀愀挀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 戀漀漀欀⤀⸀ഊVinciolo is also available in Dover: Renaissance Patterns for Lace, ਀䔀洀戀爀漀椀搀攀爀礀 愀渀搀 一攀攀搀氀攀瀀漀椀琀 ⠀㄀㔀㠀㜀⤀ 戀甀琀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 愀爀攀 昀漀爀ഊneedlelace. ਀ഊ> Many of the modern Cluny patterns fall into this category [imitating ਀㸀 渀攀攀搀氀攀 氀愀挀攀崀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 氀漀漀欀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀ഊ> folios of Cluny patterns you are likely to find several which will be ਀㸀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀氀礀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀愀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 漀甀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀⸀⸀ഊYoubetcha. Cluny has those lovely deep scallops that were so common in ਀琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 爀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀㸀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 愀 昀攀眀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 漀昀 吀漀爀挀栀漀渀ഊ> lace in period portraits in Santina Levey's book _Lace_a_History_, but ਀㸀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 昀愀爀 漀甀琀渀甀洀戀攀爀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀 愀渀搀 琀愀瀀攀 猀琀礀氀攀猀⸀ഊAnother excellent (although expensive) book; ask for it through ILL. ਀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀ഊElizabeth "E.B." Braidwood Donna Hrynkiw ਀䄀渀 吀椀爀                                    䬀眀愀渀琀氀攀渀 䌀漀氀氀攀最攀ഊdonna at kwantlen.bc.ca Surrey, B.C. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀ഊDate: 24 Jul 1993 22:18:28 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀䄀一䤀堀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀渀搀 唀渀椀砀Ⰰ 一夀䌀ഊ ਀搀漀渀渀愀 愀琀 欀眀愀渀琀氀攀渀⸀戀挀⸀䌀䄀 ⠀䐀漀渀渀愀 䠀爀礀渀欀椀眀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>Greetings to the Rialto from Elizabeth Braidwood. ਀㸀ഊ>At last! A *real* topic: ਀ഊ:^) ਀ഊ(quoting me...) ਀㸀㸀 䨀甀猀琀 搀漀渀✀琀 昀漀氀氀漀眀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最ഊ>> instructions in the back, the (modern) author doesn't use nearly enough ਀㸀㸀 戀漀戀戀椀渀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀漀洀攀 漀甀琀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 爀椀最栀琀⸀ഊ>Actually, I've found that Payne used thread that was too thin rather ਀㸀琀栀愀渀 琀漀漀 昀攀眀 戀漀戀戀椀渀猀⸀ ⠀䄀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀渀琀爀椀戀甀琀攀搀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀⤀ 匀栀攀ഊ>also uses some techniques that weren't developed until post-period. ਀㸀唀猀攀 栀攀愀瘀椀攀爀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 愀渀搀 礀漀甀✀氀氀 戀攀 昀椀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ刀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 䤀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 洀漀爀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀⸀ 匀栀攀 甀猀攀猀 琀漀漀 琀栀椀渀 琀栀爀攀愀搀ഊfor the braid style patterns, and too few bobbins (and too thick thread) ਀昀漀爀 琀栀攀 琀愀瀀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 氀漀漀欀 挀氀漀猀攀氀礀 愀琀 琀栀攀 猀甀爀瘀椀瘀椀渀最 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀 琀栀攀礀ഊare 'warp faced' with too many threads travelling longwise for a balanced ਀瀀氀愀椀渀眀攀愀瘀攀 攀昀昀攀挀琀Ⰰ 椀渀猀琀攀愀搀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 戀甀渀挀栀攀搀 琀椀最栀琀氀礀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 ✀眀愀爀瀀✀ 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 ഊare fairly widely spaced and get hidden giving the tape a satiny appearance. ਀ഊ>I've worked about a half-dozen of the medium-difficulty patterns and find ਀㸀琀栀攀 爀攀猀甀氀琀猀 琀漀 戀攀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀椀渀最氀礀 愀琀琀爀愀挀琀椀瘀攀 ⴀⴀ 洀漀爀攀 猀漀 琀栀愀渀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 琀栀攀ഊ>patterns or the worked examples. ਀ഊ Ditto likewise, have you tried DMC's Fil or mi-fin? It's a pain ਀琀漀 眀漀爀欀 眀椀琀栀 戀甀琀 椀琀 椀猀 ⠀瀀愀爀琀氀礀⤀ 爀攀愀氀 洀攀琀愀氀 愀渀搀 最椀瘀攀猀 愀 昀愀戀甀氀漀甀猀 攀昀昀攀挀琀⸀ ഊ ਀㸀䤀氀愀椀渀攀Ⰰ 搀漀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀猀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 ∀栀漀氀攀猀∀ 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀猀ഊ>are supposed to represent? (The holes are about 1/16" across on the ਀㸀瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 愀渀搀 漀渀氀礀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀琀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀⸀⤀ 吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 琀漀漀 戀椀最 琀漀ഊ>be pin-holes, and would be very awkward to work as holes (and after removing ਀㸀琀栀攀 氀愀挀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 瀀椀氀氀漀眀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀✀搀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 挀氀漀猀攀⤀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 䈀甀爀欀栀愀爀搀 ⠀猀攀攀ഊ>below) who interpreted them as "bumps" in the lace, to be worked as ਀㸀瀀爀漀琀爀甀猀椀漀渀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 猀甀爀昀愀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀攀⸀ 䤀✀洀 琀漀礀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 琀栀愀琀ഊ>they might represent placement for beads or spangles -- both have been ਀㸀欀渀漀眀渀 琀漀 戀攀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀搀 琀漀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ夀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 猀瀀愀渀最氀攀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 眀漀爀欀攀搀ഊas holes. Put a twist in the passives on each side of the hole, and in the ਀眀漀爀欀攀爀猀 愀猀 琀栀攀礀 瀀愀猀猀 琀漀瀀 愀渀搀 戀漀琀琀漀洀⸀ 䤀琀 眀椀氀氀 氀攀愀瘀攀 愀 猀瀀愀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 挀氀漀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀㸀㸀         䤀昀 礀漀甀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀 吀漀爀挀栀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 匀眀攀搀椀猀栀 ⠀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀⤀ 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 愀ഊ>> period German lace book - the Modelbuch which is mostly Torchon and the ਀㸀䄀爀攀 礀漀甀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 ∀一甀眀 䴀漀搀攀氀戀甀挀栀Ⰰ 愀氀氀攀爀氀攀礀 䜀愀琀琀甀渀最攀渀 䐀愀渀琀攀氀猀挀栀渀甀爀∀㼀ഊ>("Modelbuch" only means "pattern-book" and there are many with that ਀㸀眀漀爀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀⸀⤀ 䤀琀✀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 漀昀 ∀䘀愀猀挀椀渀愀琀椀渀最 䈀漀戀戀椀渀ഊ>Lace" by Claire Burkhard and is a three-booklet set: an accurate-size ਀㸀栀愀爀搀挀漀瘀攀爀 昀愀挀猀椀洀椀氀攀Ⰰ 愀 栀愀爀搀挀漀瘀攀爀 戀漀漀欀氀攀琀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀攀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀Ⰰഊ>and a folder of prickings for the worked samples. I paid about $US65 for ਀㸀洀礀 挀漀瀀礀 琀眀漀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀⸀ 䈀甀爀欀栀愀爀搀 栀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀漀瘀攀氀礀 樀漀戀 椀渀琀攀爀瀀爀攀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊ>working and usage of the lace (on towels, tablecloths, and the odd piece ਀㸀漀昀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最⤀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ吀栀愀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 椀琀 栀愀渀搀礀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 瀀漀猀琀攀搀⸀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀ഊhave my own copy, I was looking at my Mistress'. ਀ഊ>I have to disagree with your statement that the patterns are mostly Torchon. ਀㸀吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 吀漀爀挀栀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 倀漀洀瀀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䌀栀攀挀欀椀渀最 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 洀礀 砀攀爀漀砀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀挀欀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 䤀 猀攀攀 礀漀甀✀爀攀 爀椀最栀琀Ⰰ ഊthey are at least half Le Pompe style. Guess I was so struck by finding ਀琀漀爀挀栀漀渀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 愀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 愀氀氀 䤀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀㸀䤀 猀甀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 漀渀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 氀椀渀攀渀猀 愀渀搀ഊ>undergarments rather than as decoration on outer garments. And Joanne, ਀㸀琀甀爀渀 礀漀甀爀 愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 挀甀昀昀猀 愀渀搀 爀甀昀昀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 戀爀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 氀愀椀搀ഊ>ON the garment. Many of the lines of braid and decoration on jackets and ਀㸀最漀眀渀猀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀 昀愀挀琀 洀愀搀攀 眀椀琀栀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 漀昀琀攀渀 椀渀 洀攀琀愀氀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀⸀ 吀栀攀ഊ>structure of the braids in Le Pompe supports this theory: many of the ਀㸀戀爀愀椀搀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 攀愀猀椀氀礀 瀀甀氀氀攀搀 漀甀琀 漀昀 猀栀愀瀀攀 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 洀漀甀渀琀攀搀 漀渀ഊ>some sort of backing. ਀ഊ Careful, a lot of the braids are couched thread or 'passementerie'. ਀吀栀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 愀爀攀 猀漀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 椀琀✀猀 栀愀爀搀 琀漀 琀攀氀氀 昀爀漀洀 愀 瀀愀椀渀琀椀渀最⸀ 伀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀ഊhand it doesn't matter - you can substitute any in place of the other. ਀ഊ>> Many of the modern Cluny patterns fall into this category [imitating ਀㸀㸀 渀攀攀搀氀攀 氀愀挀攀崀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 氀漀漀欀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀ഊ>> folios of Cluny patterns you are likely to find several which will be ਀㸀㸀 瀀攀爀昀攀挀琀氀礀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀愀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 漀甀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀⸀⸀ഊ>Youbetcha. Cluny has those lovely deep scallops that were so common in ਀㸀琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 爀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ吀栀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 䤀 愀洀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 栀愀猀 挀椀爀挀氀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀挀愀氀氀漀瀀猀 眀椀琀栀 ഊalternating 'stars' and rosettes just like the Vinciolo needle patterns. ਀䤀 樀甀猀琀 栀愀搀 琀漀 猀甀戀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀 挀氀漀琀栀 猀琀椀琀挀栀 昀漀爀 栀愀氀昀 猀琀椀琀挀栀 漀渀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀椀爀挀氀攀ഊborders. ਀ऀ䜀漀琀 愀渀礀 最漀漀搀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 椀渀 瀀爀漀最爀攀猀猀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀㼀 䜀漀椀渀最 琀漀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀㼀ഊI'll show you mine if you show me yours :^) ਀ഊ-Liz ਀ⴀⴀ ഊLiz Stokes | Ilaine's E-Z Garb Workshop ... Okay, now take the fabric ਀䤀氀愀椀渀攀 搀攀 䌀愀洀攀爀漀渀  簀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 氀漀漀洀 ⠀漀爀 愀眀愀礀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀琀攀渀猀⤀⸀ 䤀琀 渀攀攀搀猀 琀漀 戀攀ഊ | finished. Just find some fullers' earth, a convenient ਀椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀   簀 猀琀爀攀愀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 栀甀猀欀礀 瀀攀愀猀愀渀琀猀 琀漀 瀀漀甀渀搀 椀琀 眀椀琀栀 爀漀挀欀猀⸀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: sapalmer at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sharon A Palmer) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Making lace ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㤀 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ 　㄀㨀　㔀㨀　㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: The Ohio State University ਀ഊTMBEATY at main.rmwc.EDU (Oracle) writes: ਀㸀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 瀀愀猀猀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀漀猀琀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 眀攀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 愀 昀爀椀攀渀搀 漀昀 洀椀渀攀Ⰰഊ>and she is most interested in knowing if anyone knows about "making ਀㸀氀愀挀攀 嬀愀猀崀 愀 瀀爀漀昀攀猀猀椀漀渀⸀∀ ⠀䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 焀甀椀琀攀 猀甀爀攀 眀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 洀攀愀渀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 吀攀氀氀攀爀椀Ⰰഊ ਀䌀漀甀氀搀 礀漀甀爀 昀爀椀攀渀搀 愀猀欀 洀漀爀攀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀㼀  䤀猀 猀栀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 愀猀ഊchoosing lacemaking as her persona's occupation? Tring to make her ਀氀椀瘀椀渀最 愀琀 椀琀 琀漀搀愀礀㼀  䨀甀猀琀 眀愀渀琀椀渀最 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 洀漀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 氀愀挀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最㼀ഊWhat kind of lace? Needle lace, bobbin lace, embroidered net? ਀ഊIn period, some lace was produced by nuns and gentlewomen, but if it was ਀昀漀爀 猀愀氀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 眀愀猀 洀愀搀攀 戀礀 瀀漀漀爀 眀漀洀攀渀⸀  唀渀氀攀猀猀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 搀漀椀渀最 昀漀爀ഊlove, even expensive lace only earns the maker a pittance. Some still ਀攀愀爀渀 愀 氀椀瘀椀渀最 愀琀 椀琀 椀渀 䌀栀椀渀愀 琀漀搀愀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀渀礀眀栀攀爀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 栀椀最栀攀爀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀ഊstandard of living it is a hobby or avocation. ਀ഊRanvaig (Sharon Palmer) ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀愀戀㈀ 愀琀 猀琀氀⸀猀琀挀⸀挀漀⸀甀欀 ⠀䨀攀渀渀椀昀攀爀 䄀渀渀 䈀爀愀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 瘀椀欀椀渀最 氀愀挀攀ഊDate: 1 Dec 93 17:24:16 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀吀䌀 吀攀挀栀渀漀氀漀最礀 䰀琀搀⸀Ⰰ 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 刀漀愀搀Ⰰ 䠀愀爀氀漀眀Ⰰ 唀䬀⸀ഊ ਀䘀漀爀 愀氀氀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 攀渀焀甀椀爀攀搀 栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀 戀爀椀攀昀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀甀昀昀 ഊin one of the other books in the Birka series: ਀吀椀琀氀攀㨀 䈀䤀刀䬀䄀 䤀䤀䤀 䐀椀攀 吀攀砀琀椀氀昀甀渀搀攀ഊAuthor: Agnes Geijer ਀倀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀爀㨀 䄀氀洀焀瘀椀猀琀 圀椀欀猀攀氀氀猀 䈀漀欀琀爀礀挀欀攀爀椀ⴀ䄀欀琀椀攀戀漀氀愀最ഊPublication date: 1938 ਀ഊThe book describes finds of textiles and associated ornament from ਀嘀椀欀椀渀最 挀攀洀攀琀愀爀礀 愀琀 䈀椀爀欀愀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 瀀氀愀琀攀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 戀愀挀欀 愀渀搀ഊthe occasional figure in the text. The text is all in German. ਀ഊThere is lots of dress ornament in the form of rows of knots ਀漀爀 瀀氀愀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 昀爀漀洀 洀攀琀愀氀氀椀挀 琀栀爀攀愀搀Ⰰ 漀爀 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 挀愀猀攀猀 搀爀愀眀渀 眀椀爀攀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 氀愀挀攀眀漀爀欀 猀琀愀最猀 昀愀挀椀渀最 戀愀挀欀眀愀爀搀猀⸀ ഊIt looks like simple honiton lace: little loops in the wire at the ਀昀椀最甀爀攀猀 攀搀最攀猀 猀甀最最攀猀琀猀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 漀渀 瀀椀渀猀 愀猀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 氀愀挀攀 椀猀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 漀瀀攀渀眀漀爀欀 洀攀猀栀 漀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 氀漀漀欀猀 氀椀欀攀 椀琀 眀愀猀 洀愀搀攀 ഊwith needlebinding and reminds me of stuff from the Mammen find ਀⠀䈀樀攀爀爀椀渀最栀漀樀⤀ 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀最爀攀琀栀攀 䠀愀氀搀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 漀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀猀 漀昀 瀀氀愀椀琀攀搀 眀椀爀攀 戀攀渀琀 椀渀琀漀 漀瘀愀氀猀 琀栀攀渀ഊjoined in pairs to make a squashed sphere, and coins ਀眀爀愀瀀瀀攀搀 椀渀 愀 眀椀爀攀 挀爀漀猀猀 琀栀攀渀 攀搀最攀搀 眀椀琀栀 眀椀爀攀 猀攀洀椀挀椀爀挀氀攀猀ഊto make a thing like a child's picture of a flower. ਀ഊThese seem to have been sewn on in rows, perhaps in the way ਀猀漀洀攀 攀愀猀琀攀爀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀愀渀 愀渀搀 渀漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 椀渀搀椀愀渀 琀爀椀戀攀猀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀ഊdecorate shirts with rows of coins? ਀ഊThe same book describes finds of tablet weaving with gold ਀愀渀搀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 戀爀漀挀愀搀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀渀 愀戀猀漀氀甀琀攀氀礀 猀椀挀欀攀渀椀渀最 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 最漀氀搀 愀渀搀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀ഊabout on the clothing, I wish I were rich enough to reproduce it with ਀琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀猀Ⰰ 愀琀 琀栀攀 洀漀洀攀渀琀 椀琀猀 猀琀爀椀挀琀氀礀 琀椀渀渀攀搀 挀漀瀀瀀攀爀 眀椀爀攀ഊand plastic "metallic" threads for me :-( Still I'm told by people ਀眀栀漀✀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀愀氀 琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 瀀氀愀猀琀椀挀 氀漀漀欀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 愀渀礀眀愀礀ഊ:-) ਀ഊJennifer ਀ഊVanaheim Vikings ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀愀猀氀漀挀欀 愀琀 漀氀攀甀洀⸀稀猀漀⸀搀攀挀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀一椀最攀氀 䠀愀猀氀漀挀欀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䤀猀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀ഊDate: 18 Jan 1994 22:36:34 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䐀椀最椀琀愀氀 䔀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀 䌀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 昀爀漀洀 䘀椀愀挀栀愀Ⰰഊ ਀吀漀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 漀昀 洀礀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 椀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀搀搀椀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 猀甀最最攀猀琀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 昀椀渀攀ഊenough to deserve the name 'lace' was not done until the closing years of ਀琀栀攀 ㄀㠀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀栀愀椀渀 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀 眀愀猀 愀搀搀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㤀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 昀漀氀氀漀眀攀搀ഊby picots. ਀ഊMid 18th century portraits show ladies working with shuttles 6 to 8 fingers ਀氀漀渀最 ⠀椀⸀攀⸀ 愀猀 氀漀渀最 愀猀 琀栀攀 眀椀搀琀栀 漀昀 㘀 琀漀 㠀 漀昀 琀栀攀 甀猀攀爀猀 昀椀渀最攀爀猀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀 爀攀猀甀氀琀ഊappears to be clumps of knotted stuff separated by lengths of thread. Thus ਀椀琀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 甀猀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀栀甀琀琀氀攀 琀漀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀 氀愀挀攀⸀ഊ ਀䔀瘀攀渀 猀漀Ⰰ 挀漀洀瀀攀琀愀渀琀 琀愀琀琀攀爀猀 琀攀渀搀 琀漀 戀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀攀搀 戀礀 氀愀挀攀 洀愀欀攀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䘀椀愀挀栀愀ഊ haslock at zso.dec.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 甀渀愀 愀琀 戀爀攀最攀甀昀⸀猀琀漀渀攀洀愀爀挀栀攀⸀漀爀最 ⠀䠀漀渀甀爀 䠀漀爀渀攀ⴀ䨀愀爀甀欀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䤀猀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀ഊDate: Tue, 18 Jan 94 23:58:35 EST ਀ഊmie at faline.bellcore.com (Martin I. Eiger) writes: ਀㸀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀椀猀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 挀愀洀攀 甀瀀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 洀漀渀琀栀猀 愀最漀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 渀漀ഊ> longer find/access the relevant messages. IS tatting period? I have ਀㸀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 愀猀猀攀爀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀渀ഊ> ancient Egyptian tombs, or developed during the Renaissance as a cheap ਀㸀 猀甀戀猀琀椀琀甀琀攀 昀漀爀 欀渀漀琀琀攀搀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 挀椀琀攀 开琀栀攀椀爀开 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 昀漀爀ഊ> this information. As best I can tell, tatting seems to have sprung out ਀㸀 漀昀 渀漀眀栀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 攀椀最栀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䌀漀甀氀搀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 最椀瘀攀 洀攀 愀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀攀 愀渀猀眀攀爀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀ⴀ渀攀猀猀 漀昀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 吀栀愀渀欀猀 椀渀 愀搀瘀愀渀挀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀 䔀氀椀猀愀 搀愀 䴀漀渀琀愀最渀愀 搀攀氀 匀甀猀椀渀漀ഊ> Elisa Eiger ਀㸀 洀椀攀 愀琀 琀栀甀洀瀀攀爀⸀戀攀氀氀挀漀爀攀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀唀渀琀漀 䔀氀椀猀愀 搀愀 䴀漀渀琀愀最渀愀 搀攀氀 匀甀猀椀渀漀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀渀礀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀 漀琀栀攀爀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀猀Ⰰഊdoes Alizaunde de Bregeuf send greetings and apologies for the approaching ਀栀攀愀琀 眀愀瘀攀 㨀ⴀ㰀ഊ Time to slit my own throat again..... ਀ऀ䄀琀 猀漀洀攀 甀渀欀渀漀眀渀 瀀漀椀渀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 ㄀㐀㔀　Ⰰ 愀 瘀愀爀椀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 渀攀攀搀氀攀洀愀搀攀 氀愀挀攀ഊdeveloped which used lots of pretty little circles sewn together to form lace. ਀唀渀氀攀猀猀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 礀漀甀爀猀攀氀昀 ഊ 1: a needlelacer ਀ऀ㈀㨀 椀渀 瀀漀猀攀猀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 愀 猀挀愀渀渀椀渀最 洀椀挀爀漀猀挀漀瀀攀 琀栀愀琀 挀愀渀 怀爀攀愀搀✀ 琀栀爀漀甀最栀ഊmuseum glass and ਀ऀ㌀㨀猀琀甀戀戀漀爀渀 愀猀ⴀ⠀昀椀氀氀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀氀愀渀欀⤀ഊyou're not going to be able to tell the difference between this lace, which ਀琀栀攀 挀甀爀愀琀漀爀 漀昀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 猀洀愀氀氀 氀漀挀愀氀 洀甀猀攀甀洀 䤀 最漀琀 搀爀愀最最攀搀 琀漀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 ✀㜀㌀ 挀愀氀氀攀搀ഊ`Punto Rondelo(sp?)', and the simplest, circles-only forms of tatting. ਀圀攀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀洀愀渀 眀栀漀 椀渀瘀攀渀琀攀搀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 甀猀椀渀最 愀 渀攀琀洀愀欀椀渀最ഊshuttle and a pin to speed the production of sew-round-rings lace ਀猀漀洀攀 昀椀昀琀礀昀漀氀搀⸀ 伀渀攀 漀昀 洀礀 ⠀倀爀攀猀攀渀琀氀礀 猀琀漀爀攀搀Ⰰ⨀椀琀℀⤀ 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 栀愀猀 ഊher portrait and her tombstone inscription. She died about 1750-60. ਀ऀ吀栀攀爀攀昀漀爀攀Ⰰ 漀戀瘀椀漀甀猀氀礀Ⰰ 洀漀搀攀爀渀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 挀愀渀✀琀 戀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ഊ HOWEVER- If you use a tatting shuttle and very fine thread to re- ਀瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 猀琀甀昀昀 愀琀 愀 瀀愀挀攀 昀愀猀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 氀椀昀攀琀椀洀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀✀氀氀 愀瀀瀀氀愀甀搀ⴀഊAS LONG AS YOU TELL PEOPLE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING! ਀ऀ䤀✀瘀攀 栀愀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 洀椀氀氀椀漀渀 愀渀琀椀焀甀攀怀吀愀琀琀椀渀最 猀栀甀琀琀氀攀猀✀Ⰰ 椀渀 瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀 愀渀搀 ഊphotographic and (Once) real live form shoved under my nose in the past twenty ਀礀攀愀爀猀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 怀猀漀 琀栀攀爀攀℀✀ 攀椀琀栀攀爀 椀洀瀀氀椀攀搀 漀爀 猀琀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 愀猀 怀瀀爀漀漀昀✀ 琀栀愀琀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 椀猀ഊ`period'. Many of them, including the real one, were still attatched to the ਀漀戀樀攀挀琀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 戀攀椀渀最 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 渀攀琀琀椀渀最ⴀ 攀瘀攀爀礀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 圀栀攀渀 䤀 瀀漀椀渀琀攀搀 ഊthis out to the other parties, the responses ranged from `Oh' to `Liar Liar ਀倀愀渀琀猀 漀渀 䘀椀爀攀✀ 琀漀ⴀ ⠀琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀 琀栀愀琀 氀攀愀搀猀 洀攀 琀漀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 愀 爀椀猀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊambient temperature approaching) ਀ऀ䄀渀搀 䤀 焀甀漀琀攀ⴀഊ"HOW DARE YOU ruin things for all these wonderful people by dragging in ਀猀椀挀欀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀 琀栀愀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀攀瘀攀爀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 瀀愀猀猀攀搀 搀漀眀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 ഊplace? I TEACH TATTING, I SAY IT'S PERIOD, AND IF YOU DARE SAY DIFFERENTLY ਀夀伀唀 圀䤀䰀䰀 刀䔀䜀刀䔀吀 䤀吀⸀℀℀℀∀ഊ At least she doesn't live in the East anymore... ਀ऀ吀栀攀 眀愀礀 琀漀 琀攀氀氀 琀栀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 猀琀椀氀氀 搀愀爀攀㨀 琀栀攀 渀攀攀搀氀攀洀愀搀攀ഊlace has the circles _sewn_ together. Tatting has the circles joined with a ਀氀漀漀瀀⸀ 䄀氀氀 攀氀攀瘀攀渀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 怀倀甀渀琀漀 爀漀渀搀攀氀漀✀ⴀ 琀栀攀 挀甀爀愀琀漀爀 眀愀猀 䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 愀渀搀 ഊninety, Heaven alone knows what a real museum would call it- I have ever ਀猀攀攀渀 ⠀琀眀漀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀愀戀攀氀攀搀Ⰰ 漀搀搀氀礀 攀渀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 椀渀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀⤀ 眀攀爀攀 ഊabsolutely picot- free. I have no idea why, or if that was usual. ਀ऀ䄀猀 䤀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 愀 猀挀愀渀渀椀渀最 洀椀挀爀漀猀挀漀瀀攀Ⰰ 椀昀 椀琀 栀愀猀 渀漀 瀀椀挀漀琀 椀琀 挀漀甀氀搀ഊbe either. Just do the Universe a favor and don't make Dayglo Orange Baby ਀唀渀椀挀漀爀渀ⴀ吀攀搀搀礀猀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀℀ ഊ (Okay, please do me a favor and don't use any other kind of lace ਀琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 攀椀琀栀攀爀⸀⤀ഊ As for documentation, I have several books which quote various authors ਀愀猀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 愀渀 攀愀爀氀礀 漀爀椀最椀渀 昀漀爀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最⸀ 䤀 焀甀漀琀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀㨀ഊ`Old Time Tools and Toys of Needlework', by Gertrude Whiting, Dover reprint ਀漀昀 ㄀㤀㈀㠀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 ഊ "The ladies of Chaucer's day (1375-1400) were fond of plaiting threads ਀椀渀琀漀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 氀漀漀瀀攀搀 攀搀最椀渀最 眀栀椀挀栀 琀栀攀礀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 瀀甀爀氀椀渀最 漀爀 瀀攀愀爀氀椀渀最⸀ 倀甀爀氀椀渀最 椀猀 ഊmentioned in Canterbury Tales (1390). This so far as I can discover, is the ਀攀愀爀氀椀攀猀琀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 漀爀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 愀爀琀 眀攀 眀椀猀栀ഊto discuss, though `purling', of course, may allude not precisely to tatting, ਀戀甀琀Ⰰ 愀猀 椀琀 搀漀攀猀 琀漀搀愀礀Ⰰ 琀漀 欀渀椀琀琀椀渀最⸀∀ഊ -More likely still, though knitting (On six needles!) existed by then- ਀琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀Ⰰ 愀猀 猀栀攀 栀攀爀猀攀氀昀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ 怀瀀氀愀椀琀椀渀最✀⸀ ഊ I don't have a single quote which is any more proof than this one ਀漀昀 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 漀爀椀最椀渀⸀ഊ Go ahead and tat. (Make me a ruff- I'll wear it. and I hate ruffs.) ਀䨀甀猀琀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 猀愀礀 椀琀✀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 匀愀礀 椀琀✀猀 愀 昀愀猀琀 眀愀礀 琀漀 爀攀瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀 愀 ഊfiendishly time- consuming period lace, which is the absolute truth, and in my ਀漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀 愀 最漀漀搀 琀栀椀渀最⸀ഊ Good luck- to both of us... ਀ऀ䠀漀渀漀甀爀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 栀愀猀 琀愀琀琀攀搀 愀渀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 眀椀氀氀 愀最愀椀渀⸀⠀䄀氀椀稀愀甀渀搀攀 挀愀渀✀琀 琀愀琀⸀ ഊSee above. And she won't do Punto Rondelo; she hires people for that sort of ਀琀栀椀渀最⸀⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: kkozmins at mtholyoke.edu (Kim C Kozminski) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Medieval Knitting ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㐀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㤀㨀㈀㤀㨀㄀㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Mount Holyoke College ਀ഊMistress Agnes,who used to reside in Carolingia and now lives somewhere in ਀䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀 椀猀 琀栀攀 欀渀椀琀琀椀渀最 眀椀稀⸀  䤀✀氀氀 猀攀攀 椀昀 䤀 挀愀渀 搀椀最 甀瀀 栀攀爀 愀搀搀爀攀猀猀 愀渀搀ഊe-mail it to you. ਀䌀爀漀挀栀攀琀 椀猀 愀 琀漀瀀椀挀 䤀 挀愀渀 栀攀氀瀀 礀漀甀 漀渀⸀  䐀甀爀爀椀渀最 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀椀愀渀 琀椀洀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊpossibly before , according to my armouring friends, their exsited crochet ਀昀愀戀爀椀挀猀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 ∀樀愀挀欀猀∀ ⠀最愀洀戀椀猀漀渀ⴀ氀椀欀攀 樀愀挀欀攀琀猀Ⰰ 眀漀爀渀 甀渀搀攀爀 愀爀洀漀甀爀⤀ 愀渀搀 愀爀洀椀渀最ഊcaps. ਀䌀爀漀挀栀攀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 最爀攀愀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀椀猀 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀 愀猀 椀琀 椀猀 爀攀猀氀椀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 椀琀 戀爀攀愀琀栀攀猀⸀ഊI believe they were made of jute. Crochet lace as we now know it probably ਀搀椀搀渀✀琀 攀砀猀椀猀琀 甀渀琀椀氀 琀栀攀 琀栀攀 ㄀㜀 漀爀 ㄀㠀　　✀猀⸀  䄀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 ∀挀栀愀礀渀攀ഊlace" appears in some 16th and 17th century inventories, and mention is ਀洀愀搀攀 椀渀 愀 ㄀㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 最甀椀氀搀 挀栀愀爀琀攀爀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀 洀愀搀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 栀漀漀欀⸀  䴀漀猀琀ഊexperts, however, fell that this was probably a cord made with ਀挀栀愀椀渀ⴀ猀琀椀琀挀栀攀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀渀 猀攀眀渀 戀愀挀欀 漀渀 椀琀猀攀氀昀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 愀 氀愀挀攀ⴀ氀椀欀攀ഊfabric or passement (trim). ਀ऀ倀愀琀 䔀爀渀猀栀愀眀✀猀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ ∀䰀愀挀攀 椀渀 䘀愀猀栀椀漀渀∀ 愀渀搀 匀愀渀琀椀渀愀 䰀攀瘀攀礀✀猀 ∀䰀愀挀攀㨀 愀ഊHistory" are good resources for information on early crochet lace. ਀ഊ Mistress Roen -- ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 甀渀愀 愀琀 戀爀攀最攀甀昀⸀猀琀漀渀攀洀愀爀挀栀攀⸀漀爀最 ⠀䠀漀渀漀甀爀 䠀漀爀渀攀ⴀ䨀愀爀甀欀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䴀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 䬀渀椀琀琀椀渀最ഊDate: Mon, 09 May 94 09:10:52 EDT ਀ഊghesmiz at strauss.udel.edu (Michael Macchione) writes: ਀㸀 圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 欀渀椀琀 戀甀琀 䤀 挀愀渀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀⸀  䤀 愀洀 猀琀椀氀氀 爀攀愀猀漀渀愀戀氀礀 渀攀眀 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊ> SCA and was told once that "I'm sure that it is period. I'm sure someone ਀㸀 琀漀氀搀 洀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀⸀∀  䌀愀渀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 瘀攀爀椀昀礀 漀爀 搀椀猀挀爀攀搀椀琀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀椀渀最 愀猀 愀ഊ> period art. Thanks. ਀㸀 䬀愀攀氀ഊ Respected friend: ਀ऀ匀漀爀爀礀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 猀愀礀 琀栀椀猀 ⠀䤀✀洀 昀漀渀搀 漀昀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀 洀礀猀攀氀昀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀ഊcrochet lace) but in 21+ years of trying, I've never found one single ਀瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀 昀爀漀洀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀 ㄀㜀　　猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 漀渀攀 猀椀渀最氀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀ഊ`documentation' for pre-17th cent. crochet that was not easily and quickly ਀搀椀猀挀爀攀搀椀琀攀搀⸀ഊ There was a technique, in period, for making a sequence of small, ਀琀椀最栀琀 氀漀漀瀀猀 椀渀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀爀攀愀搀㬀 椀琀 眀愀猀 搀漀渀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 昀椀渀最攀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀愀猀ഊcalled `chaining'. It was used to make a thick piece of cord out of a thin ਀瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀爀攀愀搀⸀ 䌀栀愀椀渀椀渀最 戀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀 琀爀椀瀀氀攀猀 琀栀攀 琀栀椀挀欀渀攀猀猀⸀ഊ There were a lot of things our ancestors could have done, if they had ਀琀栀漀甀最栀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 猀椀洀瀀氀礀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 搀漀⸀ 䄀琀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀Ⰰ 洀礀 戀攀猀琀 最甀攀猀猀 椀猀ഊthat crochet began with some late 18th cent. person fooling around with a ਀琀愀洀戀漀甀爀 栀漀漀欀⸀ഊ There's a book on knitting by an English Anglican archbishop just out, ਀愀 瘀攀爀礀 昀椀渀攀 眀漀爀欀 椀昀 ⠀瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀⤀ 愀 琀爀椀昀氀攀 漀瘀攀爀ⴀ挀愀甀琀椀漀甀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 攀砀瀀氀愀椀渀猀 愀 ഊknitting ancestor-technique most crochetters ought to master easily. ਀ऀ䠀愀瘀攀 昀甀渀⸀ഊ Yrs. in service ਀ऀऀऀऀ䄀氀椀稀愀甀渀搀攀Ⰰ 䐀攀洀漀椀猀攀氀氀攀 搀攀 䈀爀攀最攀甀昀Ⰰ 䌀⸀伀⸀䰀⸀ 匀䌀䄀ഊ Honour Horne-Jaruk ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 爀猀洀椀氀攀礀 愀琀 氀氀漀礀搀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 匀洀椀氀攀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 氀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 戀攀愀搀猀ഊDate: 28 Jul 1994 10:42:15 -0700 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䰀氀漀礀搀 䤀渀琀攀爀眀漀爀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 䌀愀洀攀爀漀渀 倀愀爀欀Ⰰ 䌀䄀  㤀㔀㘀㠀㈀ഊ ਀䄀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 䄀渀渀攀 䬀爀愀愀琀稀Ⰰ 䰀愀挀攀㨀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 愀渀搀 䘀愀猀栀椀漀渀Ⰰ 渀攀攀搀氀攀氀愀挀攀 眀愀猀 ഊdeveloped in the 1540's by the Venetians and bobbin lace was developed in ਀䘀氀愀渀搀攀爀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 琀椀洀攀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 琀眀漀 琀礀瀀攀猀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ഊneedlelace: Reticella (a type of drawn thread work) and Punto in Aria ਀⠀渀攀攀搀氀攀眀漀爀欀 漀渀 愀 昀爀愀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀⤀⸀  吀栀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀椀琀椀愀氀氀礀 ഊgeometric. Later, they developed pictorial laces (late 16th, early 17th c.). ਀匀漀洀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 洀愀礀 焀甀漀琀攀 愀 猀氀椀最栀琀氀礀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 猀琀愀爀琀椀渀最 搀愀琀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀氀氀 猀攀攀洀 ഊto agree that lace started in the beginning of the 16th c. ਀ഊMistress Kaitlin MacPherson-OL ਀倀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀礀渀愀最甀愀Ⰰ 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 ഊ ਀ഊFrom: kkozmins at mtholyoke.edu (Kim C Kozminski) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: lace and beads ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㤀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㔀㨀㄀㤀㨀㄀㄀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Mount Holyoke College ਀ഊA good definition of lace is Pat Earnshaw's, who is a Brittish ਀愀甀琀栀漀爀椀琀礀⸀  匀栀攀 搀攀昀椀渀攀猀 氀愀挀攀 愀猀 ∀愀 猀氀攀渀搀攀爀 昀愀戀爀椀挀Ⰰ 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 琀栀爀攀愀搀Ⰰ ഊincorperating holes as an intentional part of the design". ਀ऀ圀椀琀栀 琀栀椀猀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 昀愀戀爀椀挀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 ഊsince ancient times that could be called lace. Netting ( a small scale ਀瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 䘀椀猀栀椀渀最 渀攀琀猀⤀ 眀愀猀 洀愀搀攀 愀猀 愀 最愀爀洀攀渀琀 昀愀戀爀椀挀 猀椀渀挀攀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 䔀礀最瀀琀⸀ഊIt shows up as a fashion fabric as hair-nets and head-piece coverings in ਀琀栀攀 ㄀㐀　　✀猀⸀ഊ Macrame and knotted laces are also quite ancient, they appear to ਀洀椀搀搀氀攀ⴀ攀愀猀琀攀爀渀 椀渀 漀爀椀最椀渀⸀  䴀愀挀爀愀洀攀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 愀猀 愀 昀愀猀栀椀漀渀 氀愀挀攀 椀渀 匀瀀愀椀渀 椀渀ഊfourteen and fifteen hundreds. ਀ऀ一攀攀搀氀攀 氀愀挀攀 猀琀愀爀琀猀 琀漀 攀洀攀爀最攀 愀猀 挀甀琀ⴀ眀漀爀欀猀 漀渀 昀甀爀渀椀猀栀椀渀最 昀愀戀爀椀挀猀 ഊas early as the thirteen hundreds. Its evolution into full-blown ਀昀愀猀栀椀漀渀ⴀ氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 椀渀搀攀瀀攀渀搀愀渀琀 漀昀 愀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀椀渀最 昀愀戀爀椀挀 椀猀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀戀氀攀 愀琀 ഊaround 1500 to 1530. ਀ऀ䈀漀戀戀椀渀ⴀ氀愀挀攀 ⠀洀礀 昀愀瘀漀甀爀椀琀攀⤀ 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 攀砀猀椀猀琀攀搀 愀猀 愀 ∀挀爀愀昀琀∀ 氀愀挀攀 ഊ(that is a lace made by non-professionals for personal use) for a long ਀琀椀洀攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 椀琀✀猀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀椀琀礀 愀猀 愀 昀愀猀栀椀漀渀 氀愀挀攀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 攀瘀椀搀渀挀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 ഊinventories of the Sfortza family that a lace made with bobbins was a ਀昀愀猀栀椀漀渀 氀愀挀攀 愀猀 攀愀爀氀礀 愀猀 ㄀㐀㠀　Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀✀猀 甀渀挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 愀 ∀氀愀挀攀∀ ഊas we know it, or a braid used for lacing. There are two bobbin-lace ਀洀愀渀甀愀氀猀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀爀攀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 椀渀 ㄀㔀㔀㤀 愀渀搀 ㄀㔀㘀㄀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀 椀猀 嘀攀渀攀琀椀愀渀Ⰰ ഊthe latter German. The German book "Nuw Modelbuch" (my key board ਀搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 搀漀 甀洀氀愀甀琀猀⤀ 猀琀愀琀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 戀漀戀戀椀渀ⴀ氀愀挀攀 挀愀洀攀 琀漀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀礀 ㈀㔀 礀攀愀爀猀 ഊbefore from Venice.( This book, by the way, shows a few patterns for ਀戀攀愀搀攀搀 氀愀挀攀猀⤀          ഊ The two types of lace most Americans are familar with, crochet ਀愀渀搀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 甀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀 昀愀氀氀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 挀愀琀愀最漀爀礀 漀昀 ∀挀爀愀昀琀∀ 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 ഊis wicked hard to document. A few Victorian lace books date both of ਀琀栀攀猀攀 氀愀挀攀猀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ㄀㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 挀漀渀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 最椀瘀攀 渀漀 栀愀爀搀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀⸀ഊThere is Something calle "Cheyne" lace in Elizabethian inventories, and a ਀䜀甀椀氀搀ⴀ䌀栀愀爀琀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀 ㄀㘀　　✀猀 氀椀猀琀猀 ∀氀愀挀攀猀 洀愀搀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 栀漀漀欀∀ 愀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 ഊtheir member's skills. Although it's hard to document modern crochet ਀栀漀漀欀猀 椀琀✀猀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀洀 搀椀搀 攀砀猀椀猀琀 ⠀愀渀礀 漀渀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀猀 ഊthem around knows how practical they are). A term for a stitch in bobin ਀氀愀挀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 ㄀㔀　　✀猀 椀猀 ∀挀爀漀挀栀攀琀愀最攀∀Ⰰ 漀爀 愀 猀琀椀琀挀栀 洀愀搀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀 栀漀漀欀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀Ⰰ ഊunlikely, however that that cheyne lace looked like modern crochet. ਀ऀ吀愀琀琀椀渀最 椀猀 攀瘀攀渀 洀漀爀攀 洀漀爀攀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀 琀漀 琀爀愀挀攀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 ഊlate-period lace (1600's) called "parchment lace" that is made by doing ਀戀甀琀琀漀渀ⴀ栀漀氀攀 猀琀椀琀挀栀攀搀 漀瘀攀爀 愀 瀀愀爀挀栀洀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 眀椀爀攀 挀漀爀攀⸀  吀栀椀猀 氀愀挀攀 氀漀漀欀猀 ഊexactly like tatting until you take it apart. There were also some laces ਀椀渀 吀栀攀 嘀椀挀琀漀爀椀愀 愀渀搀 䄀氀戀攀爀琀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 椀渀 䰀漀渀搀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀搀 琀椀渀礀 爀漀甀渀搀 攀氀攀洀攀渀琀猀 ഊthat even with my nose against the glass I couldn't tell they how ਀琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 洀愀搀攀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 氀漀漀欀攀搀 瘀攀爀礀 洀甀挀栀 氀椀欀攀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最⸀ഊ My feeling on tatting and Crochet is that they are great for making ਀椀洀椀琀愀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 氀愀挀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 眀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 愀 猀攀眀椀渀最 洀愀挀栀椀渀攀 椀猀 ഊgreat for imitating hand-sewing. I encourage lace-makers not to give ਀琀栀攀洀 甀瀀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 焀甀愀氀椀琀礀 氀愀挀攀 琀栀愀渀 洀漀猀琀 挀漀洀攀爀挀椀愀氀 ഊlaces, and they give you the experience creating lace. I also encourage ਀琀爀礀椀渀最 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀ⴀ㄀㘀　　✀猀 氀愀挀攀猀Ⰰ 椀昀 漀渀氀礀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 ഊmade. ਀ऀ圀栀攀攀眀℀ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 洀漀爀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀渀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀攀搀℀  ഊ Check with your kingdom Arts and Science officer to see if there is ਀愀 挀栀愀瀀琀攀爀 漀昀 ∀吀栀攀 伀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 䄀爀愀挀栀渀攀✀猀 圀攀戀∀ 椀渀 礀漀甀爀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀⸀  吀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀渀 ഊSCA-wide lace-maker's guild, they could fill you in on how to make some ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀攀猀 䤀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀⸀ഊ Sincerely, ਀ऀऀ∀吀栀攀 伀氀搀 匀瀀椀搀攀爀 䠀攀爀猀攀氀昀∀ഊ Mistress Roen Dentelliere de la Voile Rouge ਀ ⴀⴀ 䐀漀渀✀琀 ഊthink of it as aging, think of it as "Attaining Mythic Stature" kc/Roen ਀眀栀漀 椀猀Ⰰ 栀攀爀猀攀氀昀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: MS7539 at CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Stewart, Marie Alston ) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Lace in period... yes there was alot of it ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㠀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㔀㨀㈀㠀㨀㄀　 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY ਀ഊ Greetings all -- ਀ഊ My Lady you have struck upon one of my dearest subjects... The ਀ऀ愀渀猀眀攀爀 椀猀 礀攀猀℀  琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 氀愀挀攀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀⸀⸀ 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 椀琀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ吀栀攀 琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 愀 昀漀氀氀漀眀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 昀愀猀栀椀漀渀 洀甀猀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 椀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊ there are -many- types of lace... and that many of the most common ਀ऀ氀愀挀攀猀 琀漀搀愀礀 愀爀攀 爀椀最栀琀 漀甀琀⸀⸀⸀   ഊ ਀ऀ䘀椀爀猀琀 漀昀 愀氀氀 礀漀甀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 搀攀昀椀渀攀 氀愀挀攀⸀⸀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀 猀椀洀瀀氀礀 挀愀氀氀 椀琀 琀栀攀ഊ product of knotting thread in a pattern, then you are very limited ਀ഊ I choose to include open worked patterns in cloth that are created ਀ऀ琀栀爀漀甀最栀 瀀甀氀氀椀渀最Ⰰ 搀爀愀眀椀渀最 漀爀 挀甀琀琀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀⸀⸀⸀  䤀昀 礀漀甀爀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀椀漀渀ഊ varies then so will your opinion of my research... ਀ഊ Much of the "Lace" found in period is the predecessor to modern lace ਀ऀ愀渀搀 琀漀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀攀愀甀琀椀昀甀氀 猀琀甀昀昀 琀栀愀琀 氀椀攀猀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀㔀　 戀漀爀搀攀爀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀        䤀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀ഊ 1. woven boders and open work seams and borders Ex. pillow beres in ਀ऀ琀栀攀 嘀☀䄀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 挀愀⸀ ㄀㔀　　㼀ഊ ਀ऀ㈀⸀ 倀甀氀氀攀搀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 眀漀爀欀 琀漀 挀爀攀愀琀攀 愀 氀愀挀礀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 漀渀 戀漀爀搀攀爀猀  䔀砀⸀ ഊ Carlos Crivelli's Demidoff Altar Piece ca. 1476 ਀ഊ 3. Venitian hemstitch on a chalice veil creating a pulled work ਀ऀ戀漀爀搀攀爀  挀愀⸀ ㄀㐀㔀　㼀ഊ ਀ऀ㐀⸀ 䔀氀愀戀漀爀愀琀攀 挀甀琀眀漀爀欀 漀渀 挀漀氀氀愀爀猀 愀渀搀 挀甀昀昀猀⸀⸀⸀  䔀砀⸀ 瀀漀爀琀爀愀椀琀 漀昀 䌀氀愀甀搀攀Ⰰ ഊ daughter of Herny II of France by Clouet ca. 1562. ਀ഊ 5. Needle lace was getting started... Ex. Portrait of the infanta ਀ऀ䤀猀愀戀攀氀氀愀 戀礀 䌀漀攀氀氀漀 挀愀⸀ ㄀㔀㜀㤀⸀    䄀氀猀漀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 瀀甀渀琀漀 椀渀 愀爀椀愀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀礀瀀攀猀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀 椀渀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀⸀⸀ഊ punto in aria, lacis, reticello, embroidered lace, drawn lace ਀ഊ A beginning bibliography should include ਀ഊ "Lace" by Virginia A. Bath ਀ऀ∀䰀愀挀攀㨀 愀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀∀  戀礀 匀愀渀琀椀渀愀 䴀⸀ 䰀攀瘀礀ഊ "English Needlework" by A.F. Kendrick ਀ऀ∀䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 䐀漀洀攀猀琀椀挀 一攀攀搀氀攀眀漀爀欀∀ 戀礀 吀栀攀爀氀攀 䠀甀最栀攀猀ഊ ਀ऀ䄀猀 昀漀爀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀礀瀀攀猀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀  䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀⸀⸀⸀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 礀攀琀 琀漀 猀攀攀ഊ proof of bobbin lace being period, but I do have proof that some ਀ऀ漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 洀漀爀攀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀爀琀 漀昀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀 眀攀爀攀ഊ adapted from original pattterns of reticello and needle lace... :) ਀ഊ Kitted lace I have yet to see documented, and same with crochted... ਀ऀ一漀琀 猀愀礀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 搀漀渀攀Ⰰ  漀渀氀礀 愀搀洀椀琀琀椀渀最 洀礀 氀愀挀欀 漀昀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀ഊ in those areas... my particular area of interest is in the early ਀ऀ昀漀爀洀猀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ  愀猀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 琀攀氀氀⸀⸀⸀⸀  眀漀甀氀搀 氀漀瘀攀 琀漀 栀攀愀爀 洀漀爀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊ subject!... Always willing to broaden my education... ਀ഊ Sincerely, Bridgette Kelly MacLean, The MacLean of Atlantia ਀ऀഊ ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: lace and beads ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 甀渀愀 愀琀 戀爀攀最攀甀昀⸀猀琀漀渀攀洀愀爀挀栀攀⸀漀爀最 ⠀䠀漀渀漀甀爀 䠀漀爀渀攀ⴀ䨀愀爀甀欀⤀ഊDate: Fri, 29 Jul 94 11:00:55 EDT ਀匀甀洀洀愀爀礀㨀 猀琀愀爀琀攀爀 戀椀琀猀ഊ ਀搀搀甀瀀攀爀愀甀氀琀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䐀䐀甀瀀攀爀愀甀氀琀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀㸀 䠀漀眀搀礀Ⰰഊ> I know lace is "late" period. Anyone know when and where (and on ਀㸀 眀栀愀琀⤀ 氀愀挀攀 眀愀猀 昀椀爀猀琀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 攀甀爀漀瀀攀㼀ഊ> What about beadwork? I suspect beading is a victorian invention. ਀㸀 䄀渀礀戀漀搀礀 最漀琀 愀渀礀 栀愀爀搀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀琀爀愀爀礀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀                                                      䄀瘀眀礀攀ഊ Respected friend: ਀ऀ㄀㨀 眀栀愀琀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀㼀 吀栀攀 䴀漀漀爀椀猀栀 挀漀渀焀甀攀猀琀 漀昀 匀瀀愀椀渀 戀爀漀甀最栀琀 ഊmacrame' lace to Europe, but it was not used on clothing that we know of- ਀⠀洀漀猀琀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀攀 攀砀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀 戀攀椀渀最 栀愀椀爀渀攀琀猀⤀⸀ 吀栀愀琀✀猀 ㄀　琀栀 挀攀渀琀⠀㼀⤀⸀ഊ Pulled-thread lace, the ancestor of all lace made with a needle, ਀眀愀猀 戀攀椀渀最 甀猀攀搀 漀渀 愀氀琀攀爀挀氀漀琀栀猀 戀礀 琀栀攀 ㄀㐀琀栀 䌀攀渀琀⸀ ⸀ഊ Punto in Aria, true needlelace, starts with the LATE 15th Cent. ਀昀漀爀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最 瀀甀爀瀀漀猀攀猀⸀ഊ Bobbin or bone lace runs around the same. ਀ऀ匀瀀爀愀渀最Ⰰ 愀 眀漀瘀攀渀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 最漀攀猀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䈀爀漀渀稀攀 愀最攀Ⰰ 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 䌀漀瀀琀椀挀ഊEgypt and Pagan Scandinavia, and foreward to present-day; surviving grave ਀昀椀渀搀猀 愀爀攀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 瀀甀爀猀攀猀 漀爀 栀愀椀爀渀攀琀猀⸀ഊ 2: What kind of beadwork? ਀ऀ唀猀椀渀最 愀 戀攀愀搀 氀漀漀洀 琀漀 眀攀愀瘀攀 戀攀愀搀ⴀ戀愀渀搀猀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最攀渀 漀昀Ⰰഊbut it seems unlikely to preceed late 17th century improvements in glass-bead ਀洀愀渀甀昀愀挀琀甀爀椀渀最 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀猀⸀ 䄀猀欀 䨀漀猀攀瀀栀 䄀氀愀爀椀挀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䈀愀氀椀猀攀琀Ⰰ 匀洀漀欀椀渀最 刀漀挀欀猀ഊEast Kingdom. He does it. ਀ऀ唀猀椀渀最 戀攀愀搀猀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 漀爀 攀渀栀愀渀挀攀 愀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 猀攀眀渀 漀渀 琀漀 愀 挀氀漀琀栀 戀愀挀欀椀渀最ഊgoes as far back as archeology can trace, and in varying degrees and materials ਀䔀瘀攀爀礀戀漀搀礀 䐀椀搀 䤀琀⸀ 䘀漀爀 攀愀爀氀礀Ⰰ 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 攀挀挀氀攀猀椀愀琀椀挀愀氀 瘀攀猀琀洀攀渀琀猀⸀ 䘀漀爀 ഊlate, check out German pearlwork- WOW!. ਀ऀ吀愀氀欀 琀漀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 礀漀甀 猀攀攀 眀攀愀爀椀渀最 戀攀愀搀ⴀ攀洀戀攀氀氀椀猀栀攀搀 挀氀漀琀栀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀椀渀搀 漀甀琀 ഊwhat their research shows. You'll get some blank stares ("I saw some in ਀开䰀愀搀礀栀愀眀欀开Ⰰ 礀✀渀漀㼀∀⤀ 戀甀琀 礀漀甀✀氀氀 愀氀猀漀 最攀琀 猀漀洀攀 最漀漀搀 琀椀瀀猀 漀渀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀漀 氀攀愀爀渀 洀漀爀攀⸀ഊ Good luck- ਀ऀऀऀऀ䠀漀渀漀甀爀⼀唀渀愀⼀䄀氀椀稀愀甀渀搀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: rsmiley at lloyd.com (Richard Smiley) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Lace in period... yes there was alot of it ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀ 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㄀㨀㌀㐀㨀㄀㐀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊOrganization: Lloyd Interworking, Cameron Park, CA 95682 ਀ഊBobbin lace developed from the weaving of braids (passements) in Flanders ਀愀渀搀 䤀琀愀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 焀甀愀爀琀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀⸀ ⠀䄀渀渀攀 䬀爀愀愀琀稀Ⰰ 䰀愀挀攀㨀  ഊHistory and Fashion). Le Pompe, published in 1557, gives patterns for ਀戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀猀⸀  吀栀攀 嘀 ☀ 䄀 愀氀猀漀 栀愀猀 洀愀渀礀 猀甀爀瘀椀瘀椀渀最 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀 䬀愀椀琀氀椀渀 䴀愀挀倀栀攀爀猀漀渀Ⰰ 伀䰀ഊKingdom of the West, Principality of Cynagua ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䰀愀挀攀 ⠀眀愀猀 刀攀㨀 刀攀挀⸀挀爀愀昀琀猀⸀猀挀愀⤀ഊDate: 23 Oct 1994 21:40:04 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 ☀ 唀一䤀堀ഊ ਀∀䈀甀琀 䰀椀稀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 琀漀愀搀猀 愀爀攀 猀漀Ⰰ 猀漀Ⰰ 开栀愀椀爀礀开⸀⸀⸀∀ ∀ऀ䤀 欀渀漀眀Ⰰ 䤀 氀椀欀攀 栀愀椀爀⸀ഊ Just get to the quote from sapalmer at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sharon A Palmer), ok?" ਀㸀ഊ>In article <37jfnt$6ed at ankh.iia.org>, Leah Jolovich wrote: ਀㸀㸀䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 䰀⸀ 䜀愀爀瘀攀礀 ⠀最愀爀瘀攀礀 愀琀 瀀漀漀栀戀攀愀爀⸀挀椀最⸀洀漀琀⸀挀漀洀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀⸀ 圀椀琀栀 愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 最漀椀渀最 漀渀 氀愀琀攀氀礀 ⠀氀漀渀最 猀琀漀爀礀⤀ 䤀 眀愀猀ഊ>>beginning to think that such things were out of place. I have noticed ਀㸀㸀琀栀愀琀 渀漀琀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀爀愀昀琀 瀀漀猀琀猀 愀渀搀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 最攀琀 洀甀挀栀ഊ> ਀㸀圀栀攀渀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 瘀椀猀椀琀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 戀爀椀搀最攀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 洀愀渀礀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀 漀渀 洀愀渀礀ഊ>topics, with the mix varying from time to time. Someone has to ਀㸀猀琀愀爀琀 琀栀攀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 欀渀漀眀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀䄀猀 猀漀 䤀 眀椀氀氀 戀爀椀渀最 甀瀀 开洀礀开 琀漀瀀椀挀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 爀攀瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀ഊ>16th century Bobbin Lace. I am using _Le Pompe_ a reproduction ਀㸀瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀栀漀琀漀猀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 氀愀挀攀⸀  䤀 愀洀 渀漀琀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀ഊ>look. Threads of what seems to be the right thickness seem too stiff ਀㸀愀渀搀 琀椀最栀琀氀礀 琀眀椀猀琀攀搀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀圀栀漀 攀氀猀攀 椀猀 洀愀欀椀渀最 氀愀挀攀㼀   圀栀愀琀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 搀漀 礀漀甀 甀猀攀㼀  䠀漀眀 栀愀猀 椀琀 琀甀爀渀攀搀ഊ>out? Have you found any good close-ups? I have many pictures ਀㸀琀栀愀琀 猀栀漀眀 琀栀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 渀椀挀攀氀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 渀漀琀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 猀攀攀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀栀爀攀愀搀ഊ>is like. ਀ഊI am :-) ਀ഊ>The technical section in _Le Pompe_ is very poor and mostly ਀㸀搀漀攀猀渀琀 攀瘀攀渀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 眀栀愀琀 猀椀稀攀 愀渀搀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 甀猀攀搀⸀  吀漀 愀渀礀漀渀攀ഊ>who hasn't seen this book, reproductions of one and part of a second ਀㸀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 戀漀漀欀 愀爀攀 戀漀甀渀搀 眀椀琀栀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 瀀爀椀挀欀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀⸀ഊ>The author of this section seems more familiar with later lace and ਀㸀眀漀爀欀猀 琀栀攀洀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀 ∀氀愀挀攀礀∀ 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 氀愀挀攀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊ>I have have found, which are quite sturdy looking. ਀ഊI agree you should ignore the reconstructions in the back of Le Pompe. ਀ऀ倀愀礀渀攀✀猀 洀漀猀琀 攀最爀攀最椀漀甀猀 攀爀爀漀爀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 椀猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 琀愀瀀攀 猀琀礀氀攀 氀愀挀攀猀 ⴀഊshe doesn't user *nearly* enough bobbins. The period examples I've seen of ਀琀栀椀猀 琀礀瀀攀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 爀椀挀栀 猀愀琀椀渀礀 猀甀爀昀愀挀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 挀漀洀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀ഊwith a large number of fine threads. The tapes should be highly warp-faced, ਀渀漀琀 愀琀 愀氀氀 氀椀欀攀 挀氀漀琀栀ⴀ猀琀椀琀挀栀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䤀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀最甀爀攀搀 氀愀挀攀猀Ⰰ 猀栀攀 甀猀攀猀 栀愀氀昀ⴀ猀琀椀琀挀栀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 焀甀椀琀攀 伀伀倀⸀ 吀栀攀ഊexample on page 105 has several problems, the most egregious of which is ਀琀栀攀 氀愀挀欀 漀昀 愀渀 攀搀最攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 琀愀瀀攀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀渀 攀砀琀爀愀 ㈀ 瀀愀椀爀 琀爀愀瘀攀氀氀椀渀最ഊin a braid along the edge outside the pinholes, the plan treatment she ਀最椀瘀攀猀 洀愀欀攀猀 琀栀攀 攀搀最攀 琀漀漀 昀甀稀稀礀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 眀攀愀瘀椀渀最 瀀愀椀爀猀 眀爀愀瀀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 瀀椀渀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ䠀攀爀 琀爀攀愀琀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀愀瀀攀 氀愀挀攀猀 椀猀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 最漀漀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 挀愀猀攀 䤀ഊthink she uses too fine threads. The period examples I have plates of have ਀栀攀愀瘀椀攀爀 琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 眀漀瘀攀渀 瘀攀爀礀 瘀攀爀礀 琀椀最栀琀氀礀⸀ 䤀琀✀猀 栀愀爀搀 琀漀 琀攀氀氀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀攀砀琀甀爀攀ഊwould originally have been since the linen laces would have been washed and ਀猀琀愀爀挀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 吀栀攀 猀漀昀琀攀爀 琀攀砀琀甀爀攀 愀渀搀 ✀洀甀猀栀攀搀 琀漀最攀琀栀攀爀✀ഊappearance likely resulted from repeated washing. ਀ഊ ਀㸀䄀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀㼀  圀栀愀琀 戀漀漀欀猀 搀漀 礀漀甀 氀椀欀攀㼀ഊ>The best pictures I have come from a book in French with a name ਀㸀氀椀欀攀 开吀栀爀攀攀 挀攀渀琀甀爀椀攀猀 漀昀 䰀愀挀攀开  漀眀渀攀搀 戀礀 愀 昀爀椀攀渀搀⸀  匀栀攀 挀漀瀀椀攀搀 愀氀氀ഊ>of the period pieces for me, but the book (and the friend) are ਀㸀渀漀眀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀⸀  一攀椀琀栀攀爀 漀渀攀 漀昀 甀猀 挀漀甀氀搀 爀攀愀搀 琀栀攀 琀攀砀琀⸀  䄀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀ഊ>all or most of the pieces are in musuems in Bruge where she studied ਀㸀氀愀挀攀洀愀欀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀㸀刀攀渀愀琀攀 欀渀攀眀 愀 开氀漀琀开 愀戀漀甀琀 氀愀挀攀洀愀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀ഊ>details of 16th century lace were new to her. ਀ഊThe absolutely best book on the subject is _Lace:_A_History_ by Santina ਀䰀攀瘀攀礀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 嘀☀䄀 椀渀 愀猀猀漀挀椀愀挀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 䴀愀渀攀礀⸀ 唀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀氀礀 椀琀 椀猀ഊonly published in England and isn't cheap, but you may be able to get it on ਀椀渀琀攀爀 氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 氀漀愀渀⸀ഊ ਀㸀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 瀀爀漀洀椀猀攀搀 琀漀 琀攀愀挀栀 愀 挀氀愀猀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀攀攀搀 琀漀 眀漀爀欀 猀漀洀攀 洀漀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀ഊ>out. ਀ഊ Feel free to ask if you've got more questions. I'm also maintaining ਀愀 氀愀挀攀 眀攀戀 猀攀爀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀愀爀愀挀栀渀攀⸀渀礀挀⸀渀礀⸀甀猀⼀ഊ-- ਀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀         簀 ऀऀഊIlaine de Cameron | ਀椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀   簀 ഊ ਀ഊFrom: alisounf at aol.com (AlisounF) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Lace (was Re: Rec.crafts.sca) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㐀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㈀　㨀　㈀㨀　㌀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㌀㠀㤀漀最渀␀㐀㈀㔀 愀琀 挀栀愀爀洀⸀洀愀最渀甀猀⸀愀挀猀⸀漀栀椀漀ⴀ猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀㸀Ⰰഊsapalmer at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sharon A Palmer) writes: ਀ഊ> Who else is making lace? What thread do you use? How has it turned ਀㸀 漀甀琀㼀   䠀愀瘀攀 礀漀甀 昀漀甀渀搀 愀渀礀 最漀漀搀 挀氀漀猀攀ⴀ甀瀀猀㼀ഊ ਀䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 漀渀 猀漀洀攀 洀攀琀愀氀 氀愀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 椀渀昀氀甀攀渀挀攀搀 戀礀 䰀攀 倀漀洀瀀攀⸀ 䠀愀搀ഊto fiddle with and scale up the pricking to get the right balance with the ਀琀栀爀攀愀搀 䤀 愀洀 甀猀椀渀最 ⠀䐀䴀䌀 䘀椀氀 伀爀 愀渀搀 䘀椀氀 䄀爀最攀渀琀⤀⸀ 䤀✀洀 昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀ഊexact width of the finished lace was not critical, since it is easier to ਀愀搀樀甀猀琀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀挀欀椀渀最 琀栀愀渀 昀椀渀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀爀攀愀搀⸀ 䤀 甀猀攀搀 倀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 漀昀 䘀愀猀栀椀漀渀ഊby Janet Arnold for close up photos of metal lace. ਀ഊAs far as linen thread goes, I have had good luck with Bockens. Bouc gives ਀洀攀 琀爀漀甀戀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 琀眀椀猀琀 愀渀搀 椀琀 椀猀 琀漀漀 爀漀甀最栀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 栀漀爀搀攀 漀昀ഊBockens thread, so I don't have a current source (Yes, I'm the one who ਀戀漀甀最栀琀 漀甀琀 洀漀猀琀 琀栀攀 漀氀搀 圀漀爀氀搀 椀渀 匀琀椀琀挀栀攀猀 猀甀瀀瀀氀礀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 昀漀甀渀搀攀爀猀 爀攀琀椀爀攀搀ഊa few years ago). I use 60/2 and 80/2. ਀ഊAlisoun Fortescue of Maplehurst ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䰀愀挀攀 ⠀眀愀猀 刀攀㨀 刀攀挀⸀挀爀愀昀琀猀⸀猀挀愀⤀ഊDate: 25 Oct 1994 07:54:53 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 ☀ 唀一䤀堀ഊ ਀∀䈀甀琀 䰀椀稀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 琀漀愀搀猀 愀爀攀 猀漀Ⰰ 猀漀Ⰰ 开栀愀椀爀礀开⸀⸀⸀∀ ∀ऀ䤀 欀渀漀眀Ⰰ 䤀 氀椀欀攀 栀愀椀爀⸀ഊ Just get to the quote from alisounf at aol.com (AlisounF), ok?" ਀㸀猀愀瀀愀氀洀攀爀 愀琀 洀愀最渀甀猀⸀愀挀猀⸀漀栀椀漀ⴀ猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀匀栀愀爀漀渀 䄀 倀愀氀洀攀爀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀㸀 圀栀漀 攀氀猀攀 椀猀 洀愀欀椀渀最 氀愀挀攀㼀   圀栀愀琀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 搀漀 礀漀甀 甀猀攀㼀  䠀漀眀 栀愀猀 椀琀 琀甀爀渀攀搀ഊ>> out? Have you found any good close-ups? ਀㸀ഊ>I've been working on some metal lace that is influenced by Le Pompe. Had ਀㸀琀漀 昀椀搀搀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 愀渀搀 猀挀愀氀攀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀挀欀椀渀最 琀漀 最攀琀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 戀愀氀愀渀挀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊ>thread I am using (DMC Fil Or and Fil Argent). I'm fortunate that the ਀㸀攀砀愀挀琀 眀椀搀琀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀椀渀椀猀栀攀搀 氀愀挀攀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 挀爀椀琀椀挀愀氀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 椀琀 椀猀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 琀漀ഊ>adjust the pricking than find another thread. I used Patterns of Fashion ਀㸀戀礀 䨀愀渀攀琀 䄀爀渀漀氀搀 昀漀爀 挀氀漀猀攀 甀瀀 瀀栀漀琀漀猀 漀昀 洀攀琀愀氀 氀愀挀攀⸀ ഊ ਀䄀栀Ⰰ 渀攀眀 䤀 氀攀昀琀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 漀甀琀⸀ 䤀✀瘀攀 最漀琀琀攀渀 最漀漀搀 爀攀猀甀氀琀猀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀漀猀攀 洀礀猀攀氀昀ⰀഊUnfortunately, they are rather flatter than round, but nothing beats the ਀爀攀愀氀 洀攀琀愀氀 猀甀爀昀愀挀攀⸀ 吀栀攀 渀攀砀琀 琀椀洀攀 䤀 猀琀愀爀琀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀Ⰰ 䤀✀洀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀ഊexperiment with a double thread of this stuff on each bobbin. That looks ਀氀椀欀攀 眀栀愀琀 椀猀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀椀渀最 椀渀 瀀氀愀琀攀 ㌀㔀㐀 漀昀 ∀儀甀攀攀渀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀✀猀 圀愀爀搀爀漀戀攀ഊUnlock'd" and plate 10 of Le Pompe. ਀ഊ-Liz ਀ഊLiz Stokes | ਀䤀氀愀椀渀攀 搀攀 䌀愀洀攀爀漀渀  簀 ഊilaine at panix.com | ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀 眀愀猀 刀攀㨀 䌀伀匀吀唀䴀䤀一䜀㨀ഊDate: 23 Oct 1994 22:13:16 -0400 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 ☀ 唀一䤀堀ഊ ਀∀䈀甀琀 䰀椀稀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 琀漀愀搀猀 愀爀攀 猀漀Ⰰ 猀漀Ⰰ 开栀愀椀爀礀开⸀⸀⸀∀ ∀ऀ䤀 欀渀漀眀Ⰰ 䤀 氀椀欀攀 栀愀椀爀⸀ഊ Just get to the quote from sapalmer at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sharon A Palmer), ok?" ਀㸀 䰀攀愀栀 䨀漀氀漀瘀椀挀栀 㰀樀漀氀漀瘀椀挀氀 愀琀 椀椀愀⸀漀爀最㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀攀搀 琀椀最栀琀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀 ⠀最椀瘀攀渀 琀栀愀琀ഊ>>I don't have access to a knitting machine and consistency is not a term ਀㸀㸀琀漀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 洀礀 栀愀渀搀 欀渀椀琀琀椀渀最⤀⸀ 䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀䌀爀漀挀栀攀琀 椀猀 猀愀椀搀 琀漀 戀攀 洀甀挀栀 氀愀琀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 漀甀爀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀  䌀栀攀挀欀 刀甀搀搀✀猀 开䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀ഊ>of Knitting_ for a date. I think that crocheted tights would give a ਀㸀开瘀攀爀礀开 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 氀漀漀欀⸀  䌀爀漀挀栀攀琀 椀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀攀砀琀甀爀攀搀 琀栀愀渀 欀渀椀琀琀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀ऀ吀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 昀漀爀洀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 椀琀✀猀 戀愀爀攀猀琀 椀渀昀愀渀挀礀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ✀挀栀攀礀渀攀ഊlace' in period. It consisted of crochet chain (yards and yeards of it) ਀氀漀漀瀀攀搀 戀愀挀欀 愀渀搀 猀琀椀琀挀栀攀搀 琀漀 椀琀猀攀氀昀 琀漀 漀甀琀氀椀渀攀 搀攀猀椀最渀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 瀀栀漀琀漀最爀愀瀀栀ഊI have (In Levey's Lace: A History) is, well, pretty ugly. ਀ഊ Crochet as a fabric is way late and for all I can tell arose out of ਀挀爀漀挀栀攀琀攀搀 氀愀挀攀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 眀愀礀 愀爀漀甀渀搀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ䰀椀稀ഊ-- ਀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀         簀 ऀഊIlaine de Cameron | ਀椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀   簀 ഊ ਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䰀愀挀攀 䴀愀欀椀渀最ഊFrom: una at bregeuf.stonemarche.org (Honour Horne-Jaruk) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㈀　 一漀瘀 㤀㐀 ㈀㌀㨀㌀　㨀㔀㘀 䔀匀吀ഊ ਀挀漀渀渀攀挀琀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䌀伀一一䔀䌀吀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀㸀 䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀 最漀漀搀 最攀渀琀氀攀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀 最漀漀搀 猀琀愀爀琀攀爀 戀漀漀欀 漀渀 氀愀挀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 漀爀ഊ> perhaps someone to learn from in the Cynnabar (Ann Arbor, MI) area? ਀㸀 ഊ> Also, I'm tempted to dabble in spinning; how hard is it to find a spinning ਀㸀 眀栀攀攀氀㼀 䄀爀攀 猀瀀椀渀渀椀渀最 眀栀攀攀氀猀 琀攀爀爀椀戀氀礀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 倀愀琀琀椀攀 刀愀礀氀ഊ ਀ऀ刀攀猀瀀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀椀攀渀搀㨀ഊ Look in the back of `threads' magazine for the address of _Lacis_, ਀愀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀 昀椀爀洀 琀栀愀琀 猀攀氀氀猀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀 欀椀琀猀 愀渀搀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀渀搀 洀漀爀攀 戀礀 洀愀椀氀ⴀഊorder. ਀ऀ䘀漀爀 猀瀀椀渀渀椀渀最Ⰰ 礀漀甀✀氀氀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 昀椀渀搀 椀琀 戀漀琀栀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 愀渀搀 挀栀攀愀瀀攀爀 琀漀ഊstart with a hand spindle. Good wheels start new in the $200-$300US range, ਀愀渀搀 甀猀攀搀 漀渀攀猀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 爀椀猀欀礀 昀漀爀 愀 渀漀瘀椀挀攀 猀瀀椀渀渀攀爀⸀ഊ Good luck, and welcome to a most joyful obsession! ਀ഊ(Friend) Honour Horne-Jaruk R.S.F. ਀䄀氀椀稀愀甀渀搀攀Ⰰ 䐀攀洀漀椀猀攀氀氀攀 搀攀 䈀爀攀最攀甀昀 䌀⸀伀⸀䰀⸀ 匀䌀䄀ഊIt's rude to yell at other people for not obeying the rules if you aren't. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䰀愀挀攀 䴀愀欀椀渀最ഊDate: 24 Nov 1994 07:18:16 -0500 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 ☀ 唀一䤀堀ഊ ਀∀䈀甀琀 䰀椀稀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 琀漀愀搀猀 愀爀攀 猀漀Ⰰ 猀漀Ⰰ 开栀愀椀爀礀开⸀⸀⸀∀ ∀ऀ䤀 欀渀漀眀Ⰰ 䤀 氀椀欀攀 栀愀椀爀⸀ഊ Just get to the quote from una at bregeuf.stonemarche.org (Honour Horne-Jaruk), ok?" ਀㸀挀漀渀渀攀挀琀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䌀伀一一䔀䌀吀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀㸀 䐀漀攀猀 愀渀礀 最漀漀搀 最攀渀琀氀攀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀 最漀漀搀 猀琀愀爀琀攀爀 戀漀漀欀 漀渀 氀愀挀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最Ⰰ 漀爀ഊ>> perhaps someone to learn from in the Cynnabar (Ann Arbor, MI) area? ਀㸀㸀 ഊ>> Also, I'm tempted to dabble in spinning; how hard is it to find a spinning ਀㸀㸀 眀栀攀攀氀㼀 䄀爀攀 猀瀀椀渀渀椀渀最 眀栀攀攀氀猀 琀攀爀爀椀戀氀礀 攀砀瀀攀渀猀椀瘀攀㼀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀 夀漀甀爀猀 椀渀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀ഊ>> ਀㸀㸀 倀愀琀琀椀攀 刀愀礀氀ഊ>> ਀㸀ऀ刀攀猀瀀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀椀攀渀搀㨀ഊ> Look in the back of `threads' magazine for the address of _Lacis_, ਀㸀愀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀 昀椀爀洀 琀栀愀琀 猀攀氀氀猀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀 欀椀琀猀 愀渀搀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀渀搀 洀漀爀攀 戀礀 洀愀椀氀ⴀഊ>order. ਀ഊoh ick. There are several lacemaker's shops in this country with better ਀猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 洀甀挀栀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 瀀爀椀挀攀猀⸀ 䴀礀 猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀爀猀 氀椀猀琀 椀猀 愀瀀瀀攀渀搀攀搀⸀ 䤀✀瘀攀 搀攀愀氀琀ഊwith Beggar's Lace, The Lacemaker and Holly van Sciver and been delighted ਀眀椀琀栀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀⸀ 䘀攀攀氀 昀爀攀攀 琀漀 挀愀氀氀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀栀漀渀攀 ⴀ 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀瀀爀椀攀琀攀爀猀 愀爀攀 愀氀氀ഊlacemakers and will be happy to chat with you and give suggestions. I've ਀渀攀瘀攀爀 漀爀搀攀爀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 䰀愀挀椀猀Ⰰ 䤀✀瘀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 漀爀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 挀栀攀愀瀀攀爀ഊelsewhere though I confess I haven't ordered a new catalog from them in ਀洀愀渀礀 洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀ⴀ䤀氀愀椀渀攀ഊ ਀䈀攀最最愀爀✀猀 䰀愀挀攀ഊP.O. Box 17263 ਀䐀攀渀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 䌀伀 㠀　㈀㄀㜀ഊ(303) 722-5557 ਀ഊThe Lacemaker ਀㜀㜀㈀㄀ ㈀㌀　琀栀 匀琀⸀ 匀圀ഊEdmonds WA 98026 ਀⠀㈀　㘀⤀ 㘀㜀　 ㄀㘀㐀㐀ഊ ਀䰀愀挀椀猀ഊ2982 Adeline St. ਀䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀 䌀䄀 㤀㐀㜀　㌀ഊ(415) 843 7178 ਀ഊVan Sciver Bobbin Lace ਀㄀㌀　 䌀愀猀挀愀搀椀氀氀愀 倀愀爀欀ⰀഊIthaca, NY 14850 ਀⠀㘀　㜀⤀ ㈀㜀㜀ⴀ　㐀㤀㠀ഊ-- ਀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀         簀 ऀऀ䠀攀礀℀ 圀栀攀爀攀 愀洀 䤀 最漀椀渀最㼀 ഊIlaine de Cameron | ਀                   簀    䄀渀搀 眀栀愀琀 愀洀 䤀 搀漀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 栀愀渀搀戀愀猀欀攀琀㼀ऀഊilaine at panix.com | ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀爀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 刀漀猀攀 䨀漀渀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䰀愀挀攀 䴀愀欀椀渀最ഊDate: 26 Nov 1994 16:49:52 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ ਀㨀 圀栀愀琀✀猀 洀漀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 昀漀爀 攀愀爀氀礀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀 氀愀挀攀㼀 䈀漀戀戀椀渀 漀爀 欀渀椀琀琀攀搀 氀愀挀攀㼀  䤀ഊ: already know how to knit, so I'm leaning toward learning to knit lace, ਀㨀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀漀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 椀琀⸀ 䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 氀漀漀欀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀ഊ: I want to do the remove-the-threads kind of lace, since I'm not that ਀㨀 瀀愀琀椀攀渀琀⸀ 㬀⤀ഊ ਀㨀 倀愀琀琀椀攀 刀愀礀氀ഊ ਀伀昀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 挀栀漀椀挀攀猀Ⰰ 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀攀氀礀 戀漀戀戀椀渀℀ 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 刀甀琀琀✀猀 ∀䄀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 䠀愀渀搀 ഊKnitting" (a wonderful book on the subject, with more information on ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 欀渀椀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀愀渀 愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀⤀ 洀愀欀攀猀 渀漀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 ഊknitted lace before the 19th century. I believe tatting dates to a ਀猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊ ਀吀愀渀最眀礀猀琀礀氀 瘀攀爀挀栀 䴀漀爀最愀渀琀 䜀氀愀猀瘀爀礀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ilaine at panix.com (Liz Stokes) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Lace Making ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㤀 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　㠀㨀㈀㐀㨀㐀㔀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊOrganization: Public Access Internet & UNIX ਀ഊ"But Liz, the toads are so, so, _hairy_..." " I know, I like hair. ਀ 䨀甀猀琀 最攀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 焀甀漀琀攀 昀爀漀洀 栀爀樀漀渀攀猀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䠀攀愀琀栀攀爀 刀漀猀攀 䨀漀渀攀猀⤀Ⰰ 漀欀㼀∀ഊ>: What's more period for early Elizabethan lace? Bobbin or knitted lace? I ਀㸀㨀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 琀漀 欀渀椀琀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀✀洀 氀攀愀渀椀渀最 琀漀眀愀爀搀 氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 琀漀 欀渀椀琀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰഊ>: rather than to bobbin it. Also, tatting looks interesting. I don't think ਀㸀㨀 䤀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀ⴀ琀栀攀ⴀ琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 琀栀愀琀ഊ>: patient. ;) ਀㸀ഊ>: Pattie Rayl ਀㸀ഊ>Of the two choices, definitely bobbin! Richard Rutt's "A History of Hand ਀㸀䬀渀椀琀琀椀渀最∀ ⠀愀 眀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀 戀漀漀欀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 洀漀爀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 ഊ>period knitting than any other source I have seen) makes no mention of ਀㸀欀渀椀琀琀攀搀 氀愀挀攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 ㄀㤀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 搀愀琀攀猀 琀漀 愀 ഊ>similar time. ਀ഊ According to Santina Levey in "Lace A History", Knitted lace was ਀椀渀瘀攀渀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㠀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀 琀椀氀氀 琀栀攀 ㄀㤀琀栀Ⰰ 椀琀ഊwas introduced to Shetland at this time. ਀ഊ The Eleanor of Toledo stockings are elaborate, but they aren't ਀氀愀挀攀⸀  䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀 䄀最渀攀猀 栀愀猀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 欀渀椀琀琀攀搀 愀 瀀愀椀爀 漀昀 瘀攀爀礀 昀椀渀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀ഊcentury stockings in an openwork pattern as her masterwork, I remember her ਀猀愀礀椀渀最 猀栀攀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 猀琀椀琀挀栀 昀爀漀洀 愀 欀渀椀琀琀攀搀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀攀琀爀漀瀀漀氀椀琀愀渀ഊMuseum of Art. My specialty is lace rather than knitting, so I will defer ਀琀漀 栀攀爀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀Ⰰ 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 猀栀攀 氀椀瘀攀猀 椀渀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀 琀栀攀猀攀 搀愀礀猀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ琀愀琀琀椀渀最 栀愀猀 椀琀✀猀 爀漀漀琀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀ഊinto the form we know it till the 19th century. ਀ഊ-Ilaine ਀ⴀⴀ ഊLiz Stokes | Hey! Where am I going? ਀䤀氀愀椀渀攀 搀攀 䌀愀洀攀爀漀渀  簀 ഊ | And what am I doing in this handbasket? ਀椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀   簀 ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ilaine at panix.com (Liz Stokes) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Lace Making ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㤀 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　㠀㨀㌀㄀㨀　㌀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊOrganization: Public Access Internet & UNIX ਀ഊ"But Liz, the toads are so, so, _hairy_..." " I know, I like hair. ਀ 䨀甀猀琀 最攀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 焀甀漀琀攀 昀爀漀洀 挀漀渀渀攀挀琀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䌀伀一一䔀䌀吀⤀Ⰰ 漀欀㼀∀ഊ>What's more period for early Elizabethan lace? Bobbin or knitted lace? I ਀㸀愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 琀漀 欀渀椀琀Ⰰ 猀漀 䤀✀洀 氀攀愀渀椀渀最 琀漀眀愀爀搀 氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 琀漀 欀渀椀琀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰഊ>rather than to bobbin it. Also, tatting looks interesting. I don't think ਀㸀䤀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀ⴀ琀栀攀ⴀ琀栀爀攀愀搀猀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 琀栀愀琀ഊ>patient. ;) ਀ഊ Bobbin definitely, it's the only correct way to go barring ਀渀攀攀搀氀攀氀愀挀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀栀椀氀攀 氀漀瘀攀氀礀 椀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀渀 漀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 洀愀最渀椀琀甀搀攀 猀氀漀眀攀爀 琀漀ഊwork. ਀ऀ吀愀琀琀攀搀 氀愀挀攀 愀猀 眀攀 欀渀漀眀 椀琀 椀猀 眀愀礀 伀伀倀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀猀 挀愀渀ഊturn out something that *looks* like a good needlelace edging, as can ਀挀爀漀挀栀攀琀⸀  䄀猀 氀漀渀最 愀猀 礀漀甀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 眀栀愀琀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 搀漀椀渀最 椀猀 昀愀欀椀渀最 椀琀 爀愀琀栀攀爀ഊthan turning out a period product, go for it. On the other hand, bobbin ਀氀愀挀攀 椀猀 ⨀洀甀挀栀⨀ 挀漀漀氀攀爀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 眀椀琀栀 礀漀甀 琀漀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀愀戀甀氀漀甀猀 昀漀爀 搀攀洀漀猀ഊ;^) ਀ഊ-Ilaine ਀ⴀⴀ ഊLiz Stokes | Hey! Where am I going? ਀䤀氀愀椀渀攀 搀攀 䌀愀洀攀爀漀渀  簀 ഊ | And what am I doing in this handbasket? ਀椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀   簀 ഊ ਀ഊFrom: muir at med.unc.edu (Anne Muir Bradburn) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: lace ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀ 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㌀㨀㌀㜀㨀㄀㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: UNC-CH School of Medicine ਀䬀攀礀眀漀爀搀猀㨀 䰀愀挀攀ഊ ਀䘀漀爀 戀愀猀椀挀 戀漀漀欀猀 琀爀礀㨀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 吀漀爀挀栀漀渀 䰀愀挀攀 圀漀爀欀戀漀漀欀 戀礀 䈀爀椀搀最攀琀 䴀⸀ 䌀漀漀欀 䤀匀䈀一 　ⴀ㌀㄀㈀ⴀ　㈀㄀㄀㤀ⴀ㐀ഊ ਀䤀琀✀猀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 吀漀爀挀栀漀渀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀 最漀漀搀 戀愀猀椀挀 戀攀最椀渀渀椀渀最⸀  吀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 戀漀漀欀 琀漀ഊget is Le Pompe, a reproduction of a 16th century pattern book by Santina ਀䴀⸀ 䰀攀瘀攀礀 愀渀搀 倀愀琀爀椀挀椀愀 䌀⸀ 倀愀礀渀攀 䤀匀䈀一 　ⴀ㤀　㌀㔀㠀㔀ⴀ㄀㘀ⴀ㈀⸀  䤀琀 栀愀猀 猀漀洀攀 戀愀猀椀挀ഊinstruction in the back. ਀ഊThe Torchon book you can order through any bookstore, but I had trouble ਀搀漀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 眀椀琀栀 䰀攀 倀漀洀瀀攀⸀  䤀 欀渀漀眀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀挀攀 洀愀椀氀 漀爀搀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 挀愀爀爀礀ഊit like Beggar's Lace in Colorado and Nicole's Eclectica in Waynesboro, Va. ਀ഊGood luck! Lacing is sooo much fun! ਀ഊFrancesca la Curiosa ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀愀瀀愀氀洀攀爀 愀琀 洀愀最渀甀猀⸀愀挀猀⸀漀栀椀漀ⴀ猀琀愀琀攀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀匀栀愀爀漀渀 䄀 倀愀氀洀攀爀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䰀愀挀攀 䴀愀欀椀渀最ഊDate: 8 Dec 1994 14:21:58 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 吀栀攀 伀栀椀漀 匀琀愀琀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀䄀椀爀㴀戀樀攀　　嘀䈀䄀䄀㈀㐀唀嘀䄀 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ⰀഊCarrie A Schutrick wrote: ਀㸀  圀栀椀氀攀 眀攀✀爀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀Ⰰ 挀愀渀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 爀攀挀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 愀 最漀漀搀 戀愀猀椀挀 戀漀漀欀ഊ>on bobbin lace, preferably relatively inexpensive? The only ones I can ਀㸀昀椀渀搀 瀀爀攀猀甀洀攀 猀漀洀攀 戀愀猀椀挀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀㬀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 洀漀猀琀氀礀 琀栀攀ഊ>"pattern-collection" type rather than the "here's how" type... ਀㸀ഊ>Carrie Schutrick Cailfind ingen Grainne ਀ഊGreetings Cailfind ਀ഊI liked _The Torchon Lace Workbook_ Bridget Cook, St. Martins Press, 1988, ਀䤀匀䈀一 　ⴀ㌀㄀㈀ⴀ　㈀㄀㄀㤀ⴀ㐀 ␀㄀㐀⸀㤀㔀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 椀琀猀 挀氀攀愀爀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 猀愀洀瀀氀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀⸀ഊThe patterns aren't so good and Torchon isn't period anyway, but it ਀眀椀氀氀 猀栀漀眀 礀漀甀 琀栀攀 戀愀猀椀挀 猀琀椀琀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 戀爀愀椀搀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 攀愀爀氀礀⸀ഊMaybe try getting it from your library, rather than buying it. ਀ഊI and others on the net are willing to try to help with any questions. ਀䤀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀椀猀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 琀漀漀欀 猀漀洀攀 氀攀猀猀漀渀猀 氀愀琀攀爀⸀ഊGood luck and have fun, ਀ഊRanvaig ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䰀椀稀 匀琀漀欀攀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䰀愀挀攀 䴀愀欀椀渀最ഊDate: 8 Dec 1994 11:56:31 -0500 ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀甀戀氀椀挀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 ☀ 唀一䤀堀ഊ ਀∀䈀甀琀 䰀椀稀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 琀漀愀搀猀 愀爀攀 猀漀Ⰰ 猀漀Ⰰ 开栀愀椀爀礀开⸀⸀⸀∀ ∀ऀ䤀 欀渀漀眀Ⰰ 䤀 氀椀欀攀 栀愀椀爀⸀ഊ Just get to the quote from sapalmer at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sharon A Palmer), ok?" ਀㸀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀䄀椀爀㴀戀樀攀　　嘀䈀䄀䄀㈀㐀唀嘀䄀 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀Ⰰഊ>Carrie A Schutrick wrote: ਀㸀㸀  圀栀椀氀攀 眀攀✀爀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀Ⰰ 挀愀渀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 爀攀挀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 愀 最漀漀搀 戀愀猀椀挀 戀漀漀欀ഊ>>on bobbin lace, preferably relatively inexpensive? The only ones I can ਀㸀㸀昀椀渀搀 瀀爀攀猀甀洀攀 猀漀洀攀 戀愀猀椀挀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀㬀 琀栀攀礀✀爀攀 洀漀猀琀氀礀 琀栀攀ഊ>>"pattern-collection" type rather than the "here's how" type... ਀㸀㸀ഊ>>Carrie Schutrick Cailfind ingen Grainne ਀㸀ഊ>Greetings Cailfind ਀㸀ഊ>I liked _The Torchon Lace Workbook_ Bridget Cook, St. Martins Press, 1988, ਀㸀䤀匀䈀一 　ⴀ㌀㄀㈀ⴀ　㈀㄀㄀㤀ⴀ㐀 ␀㄀㐀⸀㤀㔀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 椀琀猀 挀氀攀愀爀 搀爀愀眀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 猀愀洀瀀氀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀⸀ഊ>The patterns aren't so good and Torchon isn't period anyway, but it ਀㸀眀椀氀氀 猀栀漀眀 礀漀甀 琀栀攀 戀愀猀椀挀 猀琀椀琀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 戀爀愀椀搀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 愀爀攀 瘀攀爀礀 攀愀爀氀礀⸀ഊ>Maybe try getting it from your library, rather than buying it. ਀ഊ Torchon certainly is period, it just wasn't as popular as the braid ਀猀琀礀氀攀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 椀洀椀琀愀琀攀搀 渀攀攀搀氀攀氀愀挀攀⸀ 䤀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 甀猀攀搀 洀漀爀攀 椀渀ഊGermany and Italy than England and France. There is a surviving period ਀戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀 戀漀漀欀 昀爀漀洀 䜀攀爀洀愀渀礀 ⴀ 琀栀攀 䴀漀搀攀氀戀甀挀栀 ⴀ 眀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 洀漀猀琀氀礀ഊTorchon patterns. There are also a few examples of Torchon lace in period ਀瀀漀爀琀爀愀椀琀猀 椀渀 匀愀渀琀椀渀愀 䰀攀瘀攀礀✀猀 戀漀漀欀 开䰀愀挀攀开愀开䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀开Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀ഊfar outnumbered by the braid and tape styles. ਀ഊ-Ilaine ਀ⴀⴀ ഊLiz Stokes | Hey! Where am I going? ਀䤀氀愀椀渀攀 搀攀 䌀愀洀攀爀漀渀  簀 ഊ | And what am I doing in this handbasket? ਀椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 瀀愀渀椀砀⸀挀漀洀   簀 ഊ ਀ഊFrom: sapalmer at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sharon A Palmer) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: embroidery ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㔀 䐀攀挀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㤀㨀㄀㤀㨀㔀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: The Ohio State University ਀ഊJoe Cook wrote: ਀㸀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 昀爀漀洀 匀椀最渀漀爀攀 䜀椀甀猀攀瀀瀀攀 搀愀 䈀漀爀最椀愀℀ഊ> ਀㸀    䄀猀 愀渀 攀洀戀爀漀椀搀攀爀礀 愀瀀瀀爀攀渀琀椀挀攀Ⰰ 䤀 愀洀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 氀漀漀欀漀甀琀 昀漀爀 渀攀眀猀ഊ>sources of documentation. In particular, I am interested in Italian ਀㸀刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 ⠀㄀㈀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀渀搀 刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀⤀ 愀渀搀 攀愀爀氀礀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀⸀ഊ> Is there anything interesting out there? ਀ഊI have been reading Santina Levey _Lace: A History_ ISBN 0-901286-X. ਀䄀猀 琀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀 猀愀礀猀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 氀愀挀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 戀漀漀欀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 氀漀琀ഊof embroidery also. Including whitework, cutwork, lacis, and reticella. ਀吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 最漀漀搀 挀漀猀琀甀洀椀渀最 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ഊI have really been enjoying this book. I have it from ILL, but ਀䤀 眀椀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 琀爀礀 愀渀搀 最攀琀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 昀漀爀 洀礀猀攀氀昀⸀ഊ ਀刀愀渀瘀愀椀最ഊ ਀ഊFrom: kellyo at sky.net (Kelly Ohlhausen) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: bobbin lace? ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀　 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 　㜀㨀　㈀㨀　㄀ 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀瀀攀愀猀攀渀琀㄀㈀㌀ 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀倀攀愀猀攀渀琀㄀㈀㌀⤀ 猀愀礀猀㨀ഊ>i have recently been given the chance to learn the art of bobbin lace ਀㸀洀愀欀椀渀最⸀  椀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀攀搀 椀琀猀 漀爀椀最椀渀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 ㄀㔀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀  洀礀ഊ>teacher told me that someone in your society may be involved in bobbin ਀㸀氀愀挀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最⸀  愀昀琀攀爀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 礀漀甀爀 昀愀焀 椀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 椀ഊ>have read some postings that may debate this. can anyone out there clear ਀㸀琀栀椀渀最猀 甀瀀 昀漀爀 洀攀⸀  愀氀猀漀Ⰰ 椀昀 椀琀 椀猀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 ∀瀀攀爀椀漀搀∀ 椀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀漀瘀攀 琀漀 栀攀愀爀ഊ>from anyone who is interested in bobbin lace making. i would also like to ਀㸀栀攀愀爀 昀爀漀洀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 挀愀渀 琀攀氀氀 洀攀 漀昀 愀 最漀漀搀 戀漀漀欀⠀猀⤀  琀漀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 琀栀椀猀 琀漀瀀椀挀ഊ>more. ਀㸀猀愀爀愀ഊ ਀䤀 洀椀猀猀攀搀 琀栀攀 瀀漀猀琀椀渀最猀 礀漀甀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 猀漀 䤀 愀瀀漀氀漀最椀稀攀 椀昀 䤀✀洀 爀攀瀀攀愀琀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀ഊelse. Bobbin lace is definitely period if period is pre-1600. However, ਀渀漀琀 愀氀氀 猀琀礀氀攀猀 漀昀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀 愀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀  伀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 漀昀ഊperiod patterns is a set of 4 books by Cesare Vecellio (ca. 1521-1601). ਀吀栀攀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 椀猀 ∀倀愀琀琀攀爀渀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 刀攀渀愀椀猀猀愀渀挀攀 䰀愀挀攀∀ 愀渀搀 椀猀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀ഊas "A Reprint of the 1617 Edition of the 'Corona delle Nobili et Virtuose ਀䐀漀渀渀攀✀ 戀礀 䌀攀猀愀爀攀 嘀攀挀攀氀氀椀漀⸀  吀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 瀀爀攀昀愀挀攀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀ഊtranslations are included. Many of the patterns are quite complex and ਀琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 琀漀 戀漀戀戀椀渀 氀愀挀攀⸀  吀栀攀 瀀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀 愀爀攀 眀漀漀搀 挀甀琀ഊillustrations and not the pin-prick patterns you are probably used to ਀猀攀攀椀渀最⸀  䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 戀漀漀欀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 氀椀欀攀 椀猀 ∀䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 䰀愀挀攀∀ 戀礀 䴀爀猀⸀ 䈀甀爀礀 倀愀氀氀椀猀攀爀⸀ഊMost of what she discusses is not period for the SCA but the book has a ਀最漀漀搀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀 愀猀 椀琀 攀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀 椀渀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 愀爀攀愀猀⸀  䴀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊbooks I've seen discuss lace after 1600. ਀ഊHave you heard of IOLA? It's an international organization for people ਀椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 氀愀挀攀⸀  伀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 氀椀猀琀猀 琀栀攀 氀漀挀愀氀 最爀漀甀瀀猀 愀渀搀ഊhow they may be contacted. I believe you can also get hard-to-find books ਀㸀昀爀漀洀  琀栀攀洀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 洀甀猀攀甀洀猀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀氀礀 椀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀Ⰰ 搀攀搀椀挀愀琀攀搀 琀漀 氀愀挀攀 愀渀搀ഊthey may be able to help. If you would like more information, just drop ਀洀攀 愀 氀椀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀䬀攀氀氀礀 伀栀氀栀愀甀猀攀渀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:04:06 -0700 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䌀栀爀椀猀 ☀ 䐀攀渀椀猀攀 匀洀椀琀栀 㰀眀椀渀最猀 愀琀 稀椀愀渀攀琀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: markh at risc.sps.mot.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 吀愀琀琀椀渀最ഊ ਀䤀 眀愀猀 氀漀漀欀椀渀最 昀漀爀 椀渀昀漀 漀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀愀琀琀椀渀最 眀栀攀渀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 礀漀甀爀ഊcollection of "messages". I'm not sure where these messages came from or ਀眀栀漀 猀攀攀猀 礀漀甀爀 猀椀琀攀 戀甀琀 䐀漀瘀攀爀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀猀 琀漀渀猀 漀昀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 愀ഊgreat number of subjects including lace making (ie tatting, bobbin lace ਀愀渀搀 洀愀渀礀Ⰰ 洀愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀猀⤀⸀ 吀栀攀礀 愀氀猀漀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀 戀漀漀欀猀 漀渀 挀爀愀昀琀猀Ⰰ 洀愀琀栀Ⰰഊscience, music, paper dolls, clip art.... just to name a few. I buy alot ਀漀昀 琀栀椀攀爀 猀琀甀昀昀⸀ 䐀漀瘀攀爀 倀甀戀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀Ⰰ ㌀㄀ 䔀愀猀琀 ㈀渀搀 匀琀爀攀攀琀Ⰰ 䴀椀渀攀漀氀愀ⰀഊNY 11501 for lacemaking write to Dept. 23. KC Publishing, Inc. also has ਀愀 最漀漀搀 戀漀漀欀 漀甀琀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 吀愀琀琀椀渀最 倀愀琀琀攀爀渀猀Ⰰ 吀栀攀 䌀氀愀猀猀椀挀 䌀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 戀礀 琀栀攀ഊstaff of Workbasket Magazine. ਀ഊ ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䈀䜀 ⴀ 䌀爀漀挀栀攀琀㼀㼀 倀攀爀椀漀搀㼀㼀ഊDate: Wed, 10 Jun 98 14:17:35 MST ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䄀挀攀椀愀 愀琀 愀漀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊTo: bryn-gwlad at Ansteorra.ORG ਀ഊI found this article on the Internet at the following Web address... ਀栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀愀爀愀挀栀渀攀⸀挀漀洀ഊI found it to be interesting, and thought I would pass it on... ਀ⴀ刀漀戀椀渀ഊ ਀䤀猀 䌀爀漀挀栀攀琀 倀攀爀椀漀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀㼀ഊA very early form ofcroceted lace is late period (second half of the 16th ਀挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⤀ 戀甀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 昀漀爀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀攀搀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最⸀ഊFrom Lace: a History, Santina M. Levey published in 1983 by the Victoria & ਀䄀氀戀攀爀琀 䴀甀猀攀甀洀 椀渀渀 愀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 圀⸀ 匀⸀ 䴀愀渀攀礀 ☀ 匀漀渀⸀ 䰀琀搀⸀ 瀀⸀㤀㈀㨀ഊ ਀∀夀攀琀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ㄀㠀㐀　✀猀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 眀椀搀攀猀瀀爀攀愀搀 愀搀漀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀Ⰰഊboth in Ireland and elsewhere. The origins of this technique are obscure but ਀椀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀 椀渀 䘀爀愀渀挀攀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ㄀㜀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ 䠀漀漀欀攀搀ഊneedles were used in both the passementerie and lace industries and, in ਀䘀爀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 ✀猀琀椀琀挀栀✀ 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 氀椀渀欀 琀栀攀 瀀椀攀挀攀猀 漀昀 愀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀 眀愀猀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 愀ഊ'crochetage'. The development of this stitch into an independant technique is ਀猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䰀攀琀琀攀爀猀 倀愀琀攀渀琀 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀爀攀 最爀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 䴀攀爀挀攀爀猀 椀渀ഊ1653 and which listed among their goods all forms of lace and braid, including ਀✀挀漀爀搀漀渀猀 昀愀挀漀渀 搀攀 戀爀漀搀攀爀椀攀Ⰰ 攀渀爀椀挀栀攀猀 攀渀 樀漀氀椀瘀攀猀 焀甀椀 猀攀 昀愀挀漀渀渀攀渀琀 愀 氀✀攀猀挀甀椀氀氀攀Ⰰഊaux des doights, au crochet, et au fuseau'. The new technique was probably ਀猀琀椀洀甀氀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 瘀漀最甀攀Ⰰ 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 栀愀氀昀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀攀瘀攀渀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀Ⰰഊfor gimp and all froms of metal lace and passementerie. There are a number of ਀䘀爀攀渀挀栀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 琀漀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀椀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀礀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 琀栀攀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀攀爀洀ഊwas used both for the hooked needle and for a product. [...] 'Chain lace' ਀愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 攀焀甀椀瘀愀氀攀渀琀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 琀攀爀洀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䘀爀攀渀挀栀 挀栀愀椀渀攀琀琀攀猀 搀攀ഊcrochet, although the term probably referred originally to an open cord or ਀戀爀愀椀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 攀愀爀氀椀攀猀琀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 搀愀琀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 洀椀搀ⴀ猀椀砀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀㬀 琀栀攀 䔀愀爀氀ഊof Leicster had beds 'garneshed with a chaine lace of goulde and silver- ਀挀漀瀀瀀攀爀✀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀 愀氀猀漀 昀攀愀琀甀爀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 圀愀爀搀爀漀戀攀 䄀挀挀漀甀渀琀猀 漀昀 儀甀攀攀渀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀愀渀挀攀 漀昀 氀愀琀攀 猀攀瘀攀渀琀攀攀渀琀栀ⴀ挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 氀愀挀攀 椀猀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 ഊlittle piece in figure 392. This border has a rather clumsy design which none ਀琀栀攀 氀攀猀猀 爀攀氀愀琀攀猀 琀漀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 焀甀愀氀椀琀礀 氀愀挀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 氀愀琀攀 猀攀瘀攀渀琀攀攀渀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀 愀渀搀 椀琀猀ഊchained structure can only have been formed with a hooked needle in the ਀洀愀渀渀攀爀 漀昀 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀⸀∀ഊ ਀圀栀攀眀Ⰰ 䤀✀洀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 猀栀攀 搀愀琀攀猀 琀栀攀 椀渀瘀攀渀琀椀漀渀 漀昀ഊcrochet to the 17th century, then later says that the earliest reference is ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀琀栀 挀攀渀琀甀爀礀⸀ 儀甀攀攀渀 䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀✀猀 圀愀爀搀爀漀戀攀 唀渀氀漀挀欀✀搀 戀礀 䨀愀渀攀琀 䄀爀渀漀氀搀ഊquotes one of those wardrobe accounts Santina Levey mentions: "Enbrauderinge ਀漀昀 愀 瀀愀椀爀攀 漀昀 匀氀攀瘀攀猀 昀漀爀 愀 圀愀猀琀挀漀愀琀 漀昀 昀礀渀攀 氀礀渀渀攀渀 䌀氀漀琀栀攀 眀爀漀甀最栀琀 愀氀氀漀瘀攀爀 眀椀琀栀ഊa worke of white Cheyne silke lace powdered full of stitches for workemanshipp ਀琀栀攀爀漀昀 砀氀猀⸀ 䤀琀攀洀 昀漀爀 瘀 漀稀 漀昀 䌀栀攀礀渀攀 氀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 猀椀氀欀攀 猀瀀攀渀琀攀 甀瀀漀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀ഊsleves at iijs iiijd thounce...." p. 145 ਀ഊThe photograph mentioned in the Levy quote has the lines of the design all ਀搀漀渀攀 椀渀 挀栀愀椀渀 猀琀椀琀挀栀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 猀漀氀椀搀 愀爀攀愀猀 愀琀 愀氀氀⸀ 䤀琀 氀漀漀欀猀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀ഊ16th century braided bobbin laces (not the tape ones) only wider, and with ਀琀栀攀 洀漀爀攀 爀攀愀氀椀猀琀椀挀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 最攀漀洀攀琀爀椀挀 搀攀猀椀最渀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀攀挀栀渀椀焀甀攀 愀氀氀漀眀猀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 漀昀 搀漀椀渀最 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 昀漀爀 倀椀欀攀 漀爀 吀䤀 最椀瘀椀渀最 挀爀漀挀栀攀琀 搀椀爀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀ഊfor imitating 16th century bobbin laces for people who want the look and don't ਀挀愀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀漀琀愀氀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀椀琀礀⸀ 一漀眀 䤀 愀洀 戀攀最椀渀渀椀渀最 琀漀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀ഊexactly the thing described here and it's actually correct (eerie huh?). I'm ਀挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀 琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 戀礀 琀栀攀 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀 ✀瀀漀眀搀攀爀攀搀 昀甀氀氀 漀昀 猀琀椀琀挀栀攀猀✀⸀ 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀ഊof anything in the one photo I have that would fit that description. If you ਀挀漀洀攀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 ⴀ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 氀攀琀 洀攀 欀渀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀䰀椀稀 ⠀椀氀愀椀渀攀 愀琀 愀爀愀挀栀渀攀⸀挀漀洀⤀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:30:27 PDT ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 ∀䨀攀渀渀椀昀攀爀 䴀挀一椀琀琀∀ 㰀樀攀渀洀挀渀椀琀琀 愀琀 攀砀挀椀琀攀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊTo: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 倀甀渀琀漀 椀渀 愀爀椀愀ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 樀甀猀琀 戀攀最甀渀 琀漀 氀攀愀爀渀 琀栀椀猀 洀礀猀攀氀昀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀 爀攀猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 䤀ഊreceived off of the sca lace mailing list (e-mail me if you would like to be ਀猀甀戀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀⤀ 琀栀愀琀 洀愀礀 栀攀氀瀀 礀漀甀⸀ഊ ਀嘀愀爀椀攀琀礀㨀 䤀琀愀氀椀愀渀 䌀甀琀 眀漀爀欀 愀渀搀 䘀椀氀攀琀 䰀愀挀攀ഊThe Needle-made lace of Reticella by Jules and Kaethe Kliot ਀⠀䤀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀Ⰰ 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀猀 漀昀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 瀀漀爀琀爀愀椀琀猀 眀椀琀栀 氀愀挀攀 愀渀搀ഊ*pages and pages of lace patterns*!!!! The patterns alone make this one ਀最爀攀愀琀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䰀愀挀攀Ⰰ 䈀漀漀欀欀椀渀最 䤀渀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀ഊThe Story of Italian Needlelace by Vima deMarchi Micheli ਀ഊNeedlelace in Photographs by Cynthia Voysey ਀ഊPunto Tagliato Lace by Nenia Lovesey ਀ഊNeedle-made Laces and Net Embroideries by Doris Campbell Preston ਀ഊCut-Work Embroidery by Oenone Cave ਀ഊNeedle Lace & Needleweaving by Jill Nordfors ਀ഊRuskin Lace & Linen Work by Elizabeth Prickett ਀ഊItalian Lace Designs by Elisa Ricci ਀ഊPictorial Archive of Lace Designs by Carol Belanger Grafton ਀ഊNeedle-made Laces by Pat Earnshaw ਀ഊGwen ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㤀 ㄀㄀㨀　㜀㨀　㐀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: Roberta R Comstock ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ愀爀琀猀 愀琀 爀愀瘀攀渀⸀挀挀⸀甀欀愀渀猀⸀攀搀甀ഊSubject: Re: Punto in aria ਀ഊOn Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:58:52 +0200 Anna Jartin ਀㰀愀渀渀愀⸀樀愀爀琀椀渀 愀琀 最漀琀攀戀漀爀最⸀甀琀昀漀爀猀⸀猀攀㸀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ ਀㸀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 瘀攀爀礀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 椀昀 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀栀漀 欀渀漀眀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊ>basics of punto in aria. ਀㸀ഊ>Lady Uta ਀ഊ'Punto in aria' means 'stitched in air'. It refers to needle-made lace ਀眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 愀 最爀漀甀渀搀 昀愀戀爀椀挀⸀   䤀琀 椀猀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 椀渀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 氀愀挀攀 愀渀搀ഊneedlework books (such as Theresa de Dillmont's 'Encyclopedia of ਀一攀攀搀氀攀眀漀爀欀✀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䠀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀氀礀 椀琀 搀攀爀椀瘀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 挀甀琀眀漀爀欀Ⰰ 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀 琀漀 琀栀攀 昀椀氀氀椀渀最 椀渀 漀昀ഊlarge holes cut in a ground clots or the empty squares at the corners of ਀搀爀愀眀渀 琀栀爀攀愀搀 眀漀爀欀⸀  刀攀琀椀挀椀氀氀愀 愀渀搀 吀攀渀攀爀椀昀昀攀 ⠀匀漀氀 氀愀挀攀⤀ 愀爀攀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀琀栀愀ഊ ਀ഊSubject: Re: ANST - Bobbin Lace ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㄀ 匀攀瀀 ㈀　　　 　㤀㨀㔀㠀㨀㔀㠀 ⴀ　㜀　　 ⠀倀䐀吀⤀ഊFrom: Delphina Champeaux ਀吀漀㨀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀ⴀⴀⴀ 䴀礀 䰀愀搀礀 䌀漀洀琀攀猀猀攀 㰀洀礀开氀愀搀礀开挀漀洀琀攀猀猀攀 愀琀 礀愀栀漀漀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> Does anybody know of a bobbin lace supply in Dallas ਀㸀 漀爀 猀甀爀爀漀甀渀搀椀渀最 愀爀攀愀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 吀愀礀愀 䘀椀琀稀瀀栀椀氀椀瀀ഊ ਀一漀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀渀礀 猀甀瀀瀀氀椀攀爀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀琀攀ഊeven. If you find any please let me know. The best ਀瀀氀愀挀攀 䤀✀瘀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀猀 嘀愀渀猀挀爀椀瘀攀爀✀猀 䈀漀戀戀椀渀 䰀愀挀攀 ⠀匀攀攀 氀椀渀欀ഊbelow). Holly is great. Just email her what you want ਀⠀漀爀 挀愀氀氀⤀ 琀栀攀渀 猀攀渀搀 愀 挀栀攀挀欀 愀渀搀 猀栀攀 攀砀瀀爀攀猀猀攀猀 琀栀攀ഊstuff to you. ਀ഊhttp://www.vansciverbobbinlace.com/ ਀ഊLet me know if you want more information and I'll send ਀椀琀 琀漀 礀漀甀 漀昀昀 氀椀猀琀⸀ഊ ਀䐀攀氀瀀栀椀渀愀ഊStargate ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀愀爀琀栀愀 匀挀栀爀攀昀昀氀攀爀 㰀洀漀琀 愀琀 猀眀戀攀氀氀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊDate: February 15, 2009 5:42:05 PM CST ਀吀漀㨀 戀爀礀渀ⴀ最眀氀愀搀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊSubject: [Bryn-gwlad] Old Italian Lace by Elisa Ricci available on-line ਀ഊDownloadable pdfs of two volumes on Italian lace - wow - Amata ਀ഊhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/metabook/oilace.html ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ氀愀挀攀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 ㌀㄀ 漀昀 ㌀㄀ഊ ਊ