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Period and SCA cross-stitch.


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    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

                                          Stefan at florilegium.org



From: habura at vccnw12.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: X-Stitch?  When was it period?

Date: 8 Jun 1993 13:16:29 GMT

Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY


Cross-stitch: The earliest example of cross-stitch of which I am aware is

some parts of the Syon Cope, which is 14th century. That isn't to say that

the form wasn't used earlier, merely that it's the earliest firm date I have.

It appears with surprising frequency in heraldic embroideries.


I have no idea of what Russians were doing for embroidery in 1000 AD. I do

know that the Germans were doing mostly whitework and applique, with some

freehand embroidery, by 1200. I wonder, since part of Russia was under

Scandinavian influence at the time, whether it wouldn't be more productive

to look into what the Norse cultures were doing.

And, since I've wandered out of my specialty, I'll sign off.


Alison MacDermot



From: Joyce <jmiller at genome.wi.mit.edu>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: X-Stitch?  When was it period?

Date: 11 Jun 1993 21:48:04 GMT

Organization: Whitehead Institute


Andrea Marie Habura, habura at vccnw12.its.rpi.edu writes:

>Cross-stitch: The earliest example of cross-stitch of which I am aware is

>some parts of the Syon Cope, which is 14th century. That isn't to say that

>the form wasn't used earlier, merely that it's the earliest firm date I have.

>It appears with surprising frequency in heraldic embroideries.


The Germans (in Saxony and Westphalia, at least) were using long-armed

cross-stitch in the 14th century.  Note:  I can't remember seeing our

modern version of cross-stitch used in the Middle Ages, just long-armed

cross stitch.



jmiller at genome.wi.mit.edu



Organization: University of Maine System

Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 09:39:17 EST

From: Lisa A. M. Tyson <CS23001 at MAINE.MAINE.EDU>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: European Cross Stitch Catalog


Jan McEwen posted a request on rec.crafts.textiles to find

cross stitch patterns for two medieval ladies published in

Cross Stitch Country Crafts Jan/Feb '90 and Sept/Oct '91.


I received a new catalog yesterday which I believe offers these patterns.


The catalog is by   Minnie Wisdom Needlework Collection

                    419 Correas Street

                    Half Moon Bay, CA  94019


             send   $2.00 for the catalog


I was very surprised that I received my catalog so quickly (about a week!

They carry European X Stitch and needlework in many different themes.


They carry samplers, Camelot Castle designs (I highly recommend

Laarne and Chillon- they are spectacular when completed!), and many

English cottages which are quite charming.  Aside from a few expensive

kits, their prices are average for a charted design ( around $ 5.00 ).

I am sure that the photocopied catalog does not begin to do most of

these designs justice.


I would appreciate any correspondence regarding medieval embroidery

designs and sources.  I have recently begun exploring blackwork

embroidery and am working up my courage to try something on linen.


Yours In Service,

Lady Brynn   (Lisa A. Tyson)



Organization: University of Maine System

Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 14:24:26 EST

From: <CS23001 at MAINE.MAINE.EDU>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Camelot Designs "Windows" series: Roses design


I just picked up a striking castle design chart from my local

cross stitch shop.  The design is a castle with beautiful shading

in browns, surrounded by a border incorporating red roses. To the

best of my knowledge this is a relatively new design in the last

year offered by Camelot Designs (I'm somewhat of a fan of their castles).


What I found appealing about this particular chart is first the visual

impact of the reds, greens and browns in the chart photo. The amount of

background white space gives the chart a clean appearance rather than

merely appearing unfinished (as I find many charts). Simple bordering

and a relatively small scale of shading in the roses and castle make

this a reasonable project for even a relatively new cross stitcher.


This chart in kit form may be ordered from (I believe) New Stitchery

catalog (don't have any of my materials with me at the moment). If you

just want the chart you can ask at your local shop or contact:


      Camelot Designs

      PO Box 9432

      Tulsa, Oklahoma  74157


The chart asks for 14 colors of DMC floss and 2 Kreinik Metallics.

The model is stitched on 14 Count white Aida.  A nicer matting and

framing than shown in the chart photo would really make this a winner!


Can anyone tell that I've just started this one? <smile>


There are also two others in the series: Jonquils and Tulips.  Guess

I'll be back at the cross stitch store for those this summer.


They also have the Historic Castle series offering:




     Eilean Donan








The Borderlands series (fantasy)

    Merlins Retreat

    Ice Castle


    Rainy Day Castle

    Sand Castle

    Castle in the Wildwoods


The Skylights series includes:


    The Twins


    Storms End

    Winter's Orb

    Tempest       (lightning striking behind a castle if I remember)


The StoryTime series has:

    Sleeping Beauty's Castle

    The Gingerbread House

    The Shoe

    Rapunzel's Tower/Once Upon a Time(I just bought this one too)

    Snow Queen's Castle

    The Emerald City of Oz


They also sell "I Love Castles" Sampler chart (it's ok).


Most of these designs sell for $5.00 or less.  I have two of the

historic castles, Chillon and Laarne.  I consider them a challenge

(mostly of my patience) because of the large amount of shading

in a large area of the work.  I am currently working on Laarne and

I expect I'll still be on Laarne in 1996 ( I'm slow and haveother

projects I cycle through).  I have no doubt the final product will

be worth it and I will enjoy working on it in the meanwhile.


Camelot Designs is worth looking into for those interested in

medieval theme cross stitch charts.  For those interested in

designing their own tapestries in a true medieval style, some

of these little charts might give you an easy design idea if

you want to incorporate the 'small castle on the hill' in the

background of your tapestry.  It shouldn't pull the focus away

from your foreground figures or be too much outside of the style

used.  (You can see what project I'm planning in my next life.....)



Enjoy...   Lisa Tyson  ("Lady Brynn" MacLachlan in the S.C.A.,

                         Shire of Endewearde ( Central Maine )

                         Kingdom of the East )



From: PJLR92A at prodigy.com (Shawn Cahoon)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: needlwork/renaissance question (fwd)

Date: 3 Jun 1995 06:27:29 GMT


There is modern style cross stitch on several of the samplers in the

Victoria and Albert museum  that were done in period.  The one that I

recall most clearly is a sampler done by Jane Bostocke in 1598, although

there are some with earlier dates.  The museum has a book out that you

can get fairly easily for about $15.  It is called the Victoria and

Albert Museum Textile Collection and is published by Castle Publishing.  

It's an oversize softback with some splendid color photographs of the

pieces that they have. - Winalee



From: habura at vccnw14.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: needlwork/renaissance question (fwd)

Date: 5 Jun 1995 14:04:21 GMT

Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute


For Sheryl: Well, actually, there's two ways of answering this question.


Was there cross stitch being done in England in 1550? I would be astonished

if it was not. I have in my files one (secular) example of cross stitch

from the 13th century, another from the 14th or 15th c. (depends on which

expert you believe), and a few from the 17th. I have inventory records,

as opposed to actual photos, of a few more. So, I'd be awfully hard pressed

to claim that there could be no 16th c. examples. :)


Was cross-stitch used *on clothing* in 16th c. England? I don't know. I

will say that I have not seen it used in any of the portraits I've studied

from that era. The favored embroidered ornament for outer clothing (gowns,

doublets, etc.) seems to have been laid gold cord and other forms of

goldwork, with a generous helping of pearls and gems. I seem to recall

some embroidered silk and gold posies in Janet Arnold's book, too. The

favored ornament for things like shirts seems to have been blackwork, gold

embroidered or woven bands, and some smocking.


If it were me, I'd probably go for laid gold cord, because it's a fast, simple

technique that works up prettily.


Of course, it is possible that cross stitch *was* used on clothing in this

era. My area of specialization is about 200 years earlier, and there was

a large change in English embroidery technique between the two eras; I don't

consider myself expert in 16th c. embroidery. At any rate, I hope this was



Alison MacDermot

*Ex Ungue Leonem*



From: donna at kwantlen.bc.CA (Donna Hrynkiw)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca


Date: 21 Jul 1995 20:07:18 -0400


Avid Cross Stitchers -- BEWARE!


Cross-stitchery as we know it today (ie. a mosaic of different-coloured

stitches) is very modern. Excruciatingly modern as a matter of fact.



(Do you think I got my point across? I think so...)


On the other hand, if you still want to do the cross stitch, it was known

in period and sometimes used in a similar manner. There are quite a few

-period- graphed patterns suitable for cross-stitching. The great majority

are meant to be worked in a single colour.


Why I have in my hands this very moment (well, on the desk beside me)

a brand new facsimile of a medieval pattern book. It's called "German

Renaissance Patterns for Embroidery -- A Facsimile Copy of Nicolas Bassee's

New Modelbuch of 1568". (ISBN 0-9633331-4-3, 1994, Curious Works Press,

107 RR 620 South, #11-E, Austin Texas 78734). A lovely little book; tons

of period patterns to delight and entice: spanish work, lacis, counted

satin stitch, and couched cordwork.


Please, please! Leave the cross-stitch dragons and castles at home and

try out some REAL medieval patterns. It's extremely satisfying.


A pattern to entice you (from plate 89):




XX XX  X  XX XX   XX    XX  X  XX    XX   XX XX  X  XX XX   XX    XX  X  XX

   X   XXX   X    XX      XX X XX      XX    X   XXX   X   XX      XX X XX  




     XX X XX      XX    X   XXX   X    XX      XX X XX     XX    X   XXX   X

    XX  X  XX    XX   XX XX  X  XX XX   XX    XX  X  XX   XX   XX XX  X  XX




(Stand back from your terminal a ways and take a look. It's actually very



Elizabeth "E.B." Braidwood


Mistress Elizabeth Braidwood

donna at kwantlen.bc.ca



From: habura at vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca


Date: 27 Jul 1995 19:22:56 GMT

Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute


Well, just to be clear: there are medieval examples of polychrome embroidery

in which cross-stitch is the only form of embroidery employed. The ones

I have found are not "samplers" per se; one is a bag, the other trim.

Both use the different colors of thread to make pictures--coats of arms in

both cases--and in both cases all of the ground fabric is covered with

stitches. The medieval name for this form, according to EGI Christie,

is _opus pluvinarium_.


Alison MacDermot

*Ex Ungue Leonem*



Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: um157 at freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Lucy Porter)


Organization: The Victoria Freenet Association (VIFA), Victoria, B.C., Canada

Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:34:11 GMT


In a previous article, nutmeg at clubmet.metrobbs.com (Regina Townsend) says:

>I guess it depends on how late you define OOP.  I have seen illustrations

>of polychrome cross stitch samplers that are Dutch and English in origin,

>dated to 1615-1630ish.  I'm sorry that I don't have titles or other


My lady, I have something in my hand that will interest you.


In the book "Embroiderers" by Kay Stanisland, part of the Medieval

Craftsmen line from the University of Toronto press ISBN 0-8020-6915-0,

there is a period cross stitch sampler.


It is on page 64, and the caption reads "Plate 71 Unfinished German

sampler worked in coloured silks on linen in cross, long-armed cross, two

sided Italian cross and double running stitches. The crucifix was a

fairly common motif in early sixteenth-century continental samplers;

alphabets were less usual."


The text says that it's dated to the time of the earliest pattern books,

1523-1540. The picture is pretty good. With a magnifying glass I was able

to count stitches to make diagrams. It includes a crucifix motif that has

been shaded, a detailed lady, a Mary-Queen-of-Heaven, two different

Pelicans-in-their-piety, lots of nifty borders and fills and an alphabet.

Unfortunately, the picture is in black and white, which means you have no

clue as to what colours are used. But that's relatively minor.


I hope you can locate the book. It's got lots of other neat stuff in it.

Of course, if you anyone is interested, I could send the copies of

the patterns I made from the sampler...


Lady Aliena Searover, Shire of Seagirt, Kingdom of An Tir

Lucy Porter, Victoria, BC, Canada



From: donna at kwantlen.bc.CA (Donna Hrynkiw)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: colored, patterned cross-stitch

Date: 27 Jul 1995 15:07:13 -0400

Organization: The Internet


Mistress Elaina asked me to post this for her. I am pleased to

be able to do so.



donna at kwantlen.bc.ca


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:09:04 -0600 (MDT)

From: Mary Morman <memorman at oldcolo.com>

Subject: colored, patterned cross-stitch


mistress elaina sends greetings unto mistress elizabeth,


my lady,


while visiting in england four years ago i saw a special

exhibit of embroidery at hardwick hall.  the embroidery

was late sixteenth century work done by, or under the

direction of, countess bess of hardwick.  the usual

hardwick hall exhibit has massive amounts of tapestry

work and applique on bedhangings, curtains, etc.  this

special exhibit had bed linen and table linen.  


there were edges displayed of what i assume were sheets or

even pillow cases (are pillow cases period?) that had lovely

edging patterns done in cross-stitch patterns of flowers and

leaves.  the colors were mainly pastels in pinks and blues and

greens.  whether they were pastels when worked is another matter

entirely - 400 years ago they might have been very bright.


but they were definitely cross-stich, and definitely flower



at the moment, i have e-mail acapacity, and the ability to read

the rialto, but not to post.  if you would be willing to post

this message for me, i would be very grateful.


yours in service,



elaina de sinistre  * * *  currently outlandish

       mary morman  * * *  memorman at oldcolo.com



From: connect at aol.com (CONNECT)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: colored, patterned cross-stitch

Date: 28 Jul 1995 10:14:27 -0400


May I suggest a book entitled An Anonymous Woman -- Her work wrought in

the 17th century? ISBN# 0-9633331-1-9 Written by Kathleen Epstein.


This book is about a sampler that was made in the early 1600s, so slightly

out of period. It has cross stitch, as well as other stitches on it to

make the band patterns.


Yours In Service,

Rosalyn MacGregor of Glen Orchy

Pattie Rayl of Ann Arbor, MI



From: Chris Laning <claning at igc.apc.org>

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: colored, patterned cross-stitch

Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 01:09:28 -0700 (PDT)


I *think* that maybe what people are trying to say is that the kind of

detailed, solidly packed, shaded, "realistic"-looking cross stitch is

often found among X-stitch enthusiasts today is the type that is not

"period." It's hard to say, "You know - - I mean like THIS stuff,"

since e-mail is (still) mostly just text.


Perhaps Mistress Elizabeth can tell me if I've got the right concept here.

If you look at Victorian Berlin wool work, you have (say) a bouquet of roses.

Each rose petal may be worked in several shades of red, from light to dark,

in one closely packed mass of stitches.


Or you have a cross-stitch "picture," perhaps Santa Claus climbing down a

chimney (modern version); either a literal picture to be framed or hung on

the wall, or a self-contained little "scene" to be featured on an apron bib

or some such.


*These* kinds of concepts are what mark it as "non-period," not whether

they use several colors.


My impression is that mediaeval and Renaissance clothing embroidery, in

particular, was mostly thought of as "flat patterns," such as borders,

geometric designs and repeated florals. The "picture" concept was, I think,

more often done in tent stitch (i.e. needlpoint) for table carpets, cushion

covers, et cetera, and even so the idea of working a "painting" or "drawing"

of a more-or-less realistic "scene" with people, animals, trees, hills,

sunsets, background, rocks, furniture, et cetera was more Renaissance than

mediaeval. (Though there are certainly many "period" examples.) The "sampler"

style of picture has more the air of "here's a house, now what shall I put

next to it? Let's do the dog. Oh dear, he's almost as big as the house. How

about a rose bush on the other side?" Even when the components were assembled

into "pictures" made entirely of cross-stitch (a later development) they

look like someone took one motif from here and one from there and just

arranged them nicely, without trying to make it look "real."


I'll shut up now, just in case I turn out *not* to know what I'm talking



By the way, two questions:


(1) I'm contemplating doing a piece of "turkey work" (short pile embroidery

on canvas). I have instructions, but is there any way to estimate how much

yarn it takes? I'm picking up mine mostly in thrift stores, when I see colors

that look "vegetal" enough.


  "Christian Mary Ashley," a.k.a. Chris Laning         

  <claning at igc.apc.org>

   Davis, California



From: diva at cutlass.pgh.pa.us (Diana Slivinska)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Carolingian Count Thread Book

Date: 28 Aug 1995 15:29:06 GMT

Organization: Pittsburgh Community Network


daniel fox (foxd at silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:

: Can anyone give me the address and price for ordering this.  Both the

: flyer they sent me and the other sources  I've had for this information

: have disappeared.


hi there!


i bought my copy of "The New Carolingian Modelbook" at war.  It is published



The Outlaw Press

160 Washington SE, Suite 43

Albuquerque, NM  87108-2749


It lists for $24.95, and is well worth it!


just in case you need it, the ISBN # is 0-9642082-2-9


happy stitching,

Giulietta di Venezia



From: nostrand at mathstat.yorku.ca (Solveig Throndardottir)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Carolingian Count Thread Book

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:25:43 -0500

Organization: DeMoivre Institute of Mathematical Sciences


Noble Cousins!


For those interested in reaching the publisher of the Carolingian Pattern Book

by Countess Ianthe (Queen of the East at Pennsic VI), the publisher does have

email.  It is


   outlaw at rt66.com (Brother Crimthann)


Incidentally, I beleave that standard bulk order discounts apply.


                                             Your Humble Servant

                                             Solveig Throndardottir

                                             Amateur Scholar



From: outlaw at rt66.com (Robert A. Goff)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Carolingian Count Thread Book

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 10:38:34 -0700

Organization: The Outlaw Press


dkoiman at aol.com (DKoiman) wrote:


>If it is true that there will be discounted prices for bulk buying of this

>much anticipated book,


We will offer 36% discount off the cover price for orders of 5 or more.


Robert Goff, Head Scribe and Vellum Scraper, The Outlaw Press

(505)266-3057 - outlaw at rt66.com - http://www.rt66.com/outlaw/




From: Nancy Berman <nancy_berman at wdi.disney.com>

Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca

Subject: Re: Devices Done Cross-Stitched

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:35:12 -0700

Organization: Disney Quest


To Anais Shadowhawk,


We do a lot of needlework in Caid involving displays of our devices on

everything from garb to the backs of our chairs.  I personally have

tried graphing on paper and using the "Lil Mimic" grid overlay.  I have

yet to scan in a drawing of the device onto PhotoShop and print out a

colored chart, but I suspect that is the sanest way to go! Good luck!


P.S. You might try contact Mistress Eowyn Amberdrake (EowynA at aol.com)

who is very knowledgeable in these things.


Duchess Natalya de Foix



Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:58:29 -0400 (EDT)

From: Carol at Small Churl Books <scbooks at neca.com>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: cross stitch on uneven weave fabric


The shirt with the rectangular cross stitches, due to fabric that was NOT

even-weave, was shown on page 37 of "Needlework, An Illustrated History", a

book by Harriet Bridgeman and Elizabeth Drury, editors, Paddington Press, 1978.


The original is in the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, and is silk

(dark blue) on linen.  I was very excited to see it on display, in a special

display of clothing through the centuries, as I took the columbines on my

device from it.


I wonder how many other period pieces are on uneven fabric.  Enlarging by

photocopying, counting off a block of stitches, say 6x6 or larger, and

measuring would probably turn up a lot of rectangular cross stitch, I think.

It was not at all obvious to me that these were uneven until my charting had

me at my wits end, estimating stitch numbers by distance when I could not

see individual threads, and getting impossible results. Realizing they

weren't square, and estimating, and voila! It got charted.


Lady Carllein



Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 14:23:23 -0500 (CDT)

From: Heidi J Torres <hjt at tenet.edu>

To: ansteorra at eden.com

Subject: Re: 12-steps


On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, Beth Zimmerman wrote:

>   Would you like to borrow my Complete Anachronist on 14th & 15th

> Century German Counted Thread Embroidery??  Not that I woul want to add

> to your obsession, but since I share it I wouldn't mind passing it on.


Oh, that is such a good pamphlet!!!!  Do it, Zina!  Take her up on the

offer.  I am just finishing a pouch done in that style and I'm really

pleased with it.


I will say this tho: the German Counted Work is both easier and harder

than regular CCS.  The "counting" can be harder -- yes, I've done a lot

of pulling out and re-doing.  Also, you need to do this on linen rather

than Aida.  However, the results are so *rich* and it just looks *so*

period that it's thrilling watching it take shape.


On the booklet itself, the documentation is excellent! Especially how

the author examined all the colors and gives you DMC alternatives.  I

didn't follow the color recommendations exactly -- I always have to

change things a little -- but I did use colors that he documents.  The

result looks so *real*.


Personally, I prefer to create the bolder styles of embroidery to the really

delicate ones -- not that I don't adore and admire blackwork, whitework,

etc. and wish I could do it, but this type of embroidery is sort of a

combination of both.


I urge anyone who enjoys needlework -- either bold or delicate -- to give

it a try.


Mari ferch Rathyen



Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:26:55 -0500

From: Karen at stierbach.atlantia.sca.org (Larsdatter, Karen )

To: "Jennifer Thompson" <jadeyale at hotmail.com>

Cc: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: Cross stitch and other stitches....


Joia wrote:

> I am pretty much brand new to the SCA and I have recently

> started learning cross stitch.  By doing research I do know

> that croos stitch as it is known now is not what was used

> in the middle ages.


I'd like to note (for the record) that cross stitch is indeed period,

was done in figural multicolored patterns with shading, and was

done from mass produced printed paper patterns.  What part of "as

it is known now" is problematic?  The use of DMC threads, or the

combination of cross stitch and backstitching (neither of which are

really essential to modern cross stitch IMO)?  ;)


Let me know if you'd like more info.  I have a paper (it's online, but

the server is down at the moment) with information on period cross

stitch embroidery, and I can certainly e-mail a copy (or find

someone who has the Summer 1998 issue of "Tournaments



> I found references to long armed cross stitch.  I'm not sure how to do

> this or how it was used.


There are a couple of different cross stitches called long armed

cross stitch.  The most basic one is demonstrated at:




They were used as multicolored surface embroidery (as is the case

with a 15th century German example at

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Wymarc/cross.htm as

well as a pillow and furnishing band at the V&A [see "The Victoria

& Albert Museum's Textile Collection: Embroidery in Britain from

1200 to 1759" by King & Levey] or a pillow in the textile collection

at the Art Institute of Chicago [see "Textiles in the Art Institute of

Chicago" by Mayer-Thurman]) or in some cases as a single-color

band to separate bands on a band sampler.


> I'm also interested in trying blackwork but I need a

> little help. Any advice would be deeply appreciated.


Practice is good for blackwork.  Lots of practice.  I start

newcomers out by drawing the patterns to follow onto Aida, so they

get the gist of how to do the basic idea of a reversable embroidery

along a design, gradually making the design more complex ("inny"

bits and "outie" bits) and then just giving a paper pattern to work

from ... but YMMV with that cockamamie technique ;)


You'll find some blackwork links at




Feel free to write me with any questions!  Another good mailing list

to talk to is the Historic Needlework list (signup info is on the above

page) but they DO NOT concentrate on SCA-period needlework.


Karen Larsdatter




Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:36:46 -0700

From: "J. A. Smith" <jasmith at caverns.com>

To: <sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu>

Subject: Re: Favours


From: Jennifer Thompson <jadeyale at hotmail.com>

>I have heard many wonderful ideas for favours.  I'm planning on making

>one for my lord (he made me a beautiful one for Christmas).  I want to

>stitch some sort of horse emblem on the favour but, as I am still

>inexperienced with stitchery, I need a guide to follow.


>Joia Hereweald


M'lady stores such as Wal-mart and most craft based stores sell clear

plastic sheets that when laid over a picture will give you the "chart" for

cross=stiching any pattern.   It comes in a 12,14,16,and I think 20 count.

Hope this helps and good luck with your project. Lady Renna of Battersea,

Caer Mithin Halle, Outlands



Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:46:04 EST

From: <SionnainR at aol.com>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: Favours


I may have missed what type of stitch work you were interested in doing. I

also am not sure if the horse in this book is what you would be looking for.

However, I have a terrific cross stitch book that people may enjoy and may

help your cause.


Celtic Cross Stitch

30 Alphabet, Animal and Knotwork Projects

by Gail Lawther

Published by Reader's Digest



It's an absoloutely georgeous book with lots of color plates and good cross-

stitch instructions.


Sionnain Rrhyddyrch, House Evergreen




Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 01:18:00 EST

From: <EalasaidS at aol.com>

To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu

Subject: Re: Decorative Row Stitches [SCA]


There is a way to do cross stitch that creates crosses on both sides of the

peice.  And cross stitch was used for decorative borders like this in



To get crosses on both sides, make the first half of the cross in every other

stich.  Then work back to the beginning, crossing each half stitch.  Then work

across again, making the first half of the cross in the gaps you left with the

first two passes.  Then work your way back, crossing these stitches.  You

end up with crosses front and back.


The Running Stitch, or Holbein Stitch, if done properly, also ends up with the

back of the work being identical to the front of the work. You need a linear

or geometric design, though.  Again, you do it by doing every other stitch in

one direction, then work backwards filling in the gaps. This is Blackwork,

though Blackwork does not have to be done with black thread.


I don't, off the top of my head, know of a stitch that creates crosses on

the back of the work.  If I find it, I'll let you know.




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