card-weaving-msg - 4/15/09 Card and tablet weaving. NOTE: See also the files: weaving-msg, looms-msg, piled-fabrics-msg, lace-msg, weaving-lnks, embroidery-msg, mdvl-textiles-bib. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: hwt at bcarh11a.bnr.ca (Henry Troup) Subject: Re: Weaving Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 17:33:59 GMT motto at cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes: |> I was wondering if anyone was interested in Card Weaving. ... |> Has anyone some patterns or techniques to share? Or an interest in |> getting the patterns I've made? Or suggestions for the uses for the |> woven bands (other than trim on garb)? Great stuff! The cardweaving interest list was running from cw at envy.kwantlen.bc.ca and administered by: Elizabeth "E.B." Braidwood Donna Hrynkiw Lions Gate, An Tir Kwantlen College donna at envy.kwantlen.bc.ca Surrey, B.C. I use cardwoven bands as tie-and-carry straps, and as drawstrings. I find this a great use for the samples of learning techniques. One of my banners is hung on cardwoven tape. Have you done any of the two-and-two threading? You thread all the cards with two adjacent holes in one colour and the other two in a different colour. By manipulating the cards you can get all kinds of things from plain to stripes to diagonal stripes. It's in Collingwood, and looks really spiffy. *Peter Collingwood, "The Techniques of Card Weaving", out of print. -- Henry Troup - H.Troup at BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions From: palmer at cis.ohio-state.edu (sharon ann palmer) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Weaving Date: 22 Aug 1993 01:54:20 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Henry.Troup at BNR.CA writes: >Have you done any of the two-and-two threading? You thread all the cards with two adjacent holes in one colour and the other two in a different colour. By manipulating the cards you can get all kinds of things from plain to stripes to diagonal stripes. It's in Collingwood, and looks really spiffy. I made a sash threaded each card alike, with a shade in each hole: White, blue, navy, black. It has wonderful bargello-like patterns. I use crochet cotton for sashes and cords, it comes in many colors and is smooth and strong. Ranvaig sapalmer at magnusug.acs.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: motto at cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) Subject: Re: Weaving Organization: AT&T Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 06:37:40 GMT Henry.Troup at BNR.CA writes: Greetings Henry! I'm so glad to hear you are interested in talking about weaving. I have written to Elizabeth, as you've suggested. But how nice to exchange a few ideas. Your suggestions of tie-and-carry straps and drawstrings are good. And also for the hanging of banners. Someone else suggested narrow ribbons for the hanging of pendants. Another person suggested narrow ribbons for the sealing of scrolls, which opens a door of opportunity to trade with the scribes for all manner of interesting things. Have I done the 2+2 threading? Why, yes. My first sampler band was woven in just this technique, and shows stripes, solids, checks, diagonals, and letters. It is a very useful technique. I have done an interesting variation on this technique, based on research into ancient pieces in museums. I call it the 2+2-varying pattern. Essentially, it is like the 2+2 technique. The first two threads of each card are threaded with the same color for all the cards. For example, white. Then the other two threads, while matching each other, vary across the warp to create stripes of different colors. By choosing stripe colors which are of similar color values, the non-varying color becomes the "foreground" and the varying color becomes the "background". The overall effect is quite striking. Using Kountry Kabled Kotton (brand) yarn, I wove a rather interesting piece with this technique, using the following draft pattern (although with more cards than shown below, but you get the idea). A white white white white white white white white B white white white white white white white white C white red red blue blue green green white D white red red blue blue green green white Because the color values are so similar, the strikingly different colors still blend together into a background for the dominant white pattern. It is hard to imagine this with a fire red, brilliant royal blue, and deep emerald green, but it is so. Perhaps you can experiment with this yourself. I think the effect is really amazing, which is probably why it was a common technique. Are there many card weavers where you live? I have found a number of Inkle weavers, but no card weavers near me. So, to try to interest them I've woven a puzzle belt that in sections can not be distinquished from an Inkle weave, and in other sections could not possibly have been done using Inkle weaving (just how hard would it be to take the center 12 warp threads, split them in two groups, and move them six threads closer to the boarder, crossing the threads over each other?) I hope it will cause some spirited discussion and interest in the versatility of card weaving and the interesting things that can only be done with card weaving and no other techniques. >*Peter Collingwood, "The Techniques of Card Weaving", out of print. Ah, yes. I've tried to get my hands on a copy with no success yet. I have the books by Mary Atwater and by Candace Crockett, and have borrowed the library's copy of Eileen Bird's book, which I feel gives the best description of the structure but is woefully short on history and patterns. I also have a book by Russ Goff, self published by Robin and Russ Handweavers, which is a collection of patterns. But I'd still like to get a hold of Collingwood's book. Would you be interested in exchanging patterns? Rosaline Shire of Rokkehealdon, MK (Mary) >Henry Troup - H.Troup at BNR.CA (Canada) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: motto at cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) Subject: Re: Weaving Organization: AT&T Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 06:44:17 GMT In article <2571mcINNodb at iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu> palmer at cis.ohio-state.edu (sharon ann palmer) writes: >In article <1993Aug20.173359.18685 at bcars6a8.bnr.ca> Henry.Troup at BNR.CA writes: > >>Have you done any of the two-and-two threading? You thread all the cards with two adjacent holes in one colour and the other two in a different colour. By manipulating the cards you can get all kinds of things from plain to stripes to diagonal stripes. It's in Collingwood, and looks really spiffy. > >I made a sash threaded each card alike, with a shade in each hole: >White, blue, navy, black. It has wonderful bargello-like patterns. >I use crochet cotton for sashes and cords, it comes in many colors >and is smooth and strong. > >Ranvaig sapalmer at magnusug.acs.ohio-state.edu Greetings, Ranvaig! Your blue white and black belt sounds very nice. I was experimenting with a four color threading pattern of green, red, blue and black. With single card rotations, to vary the pattern, everything from diagonals to houndstooth is possible. And quite fun. If you flip the cards, then you get the reverse order on half the belt as well, adding to the variety. I've done a number of braids in crochet cotton, but the ones done with heavier yarns tend to be more "popular". ? Rosaline (Mary) From: palmer at cis.ohio-state.edu (sharon ann palmer) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Weaving Date: 22 Aug 1993 11:10:17 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Greetings to Rosaline and the other card weavers on the net. We are just back from Pennsic, where I saw some *wonderful* card weaving! I had the baby along and didnt make it to any classses. But I met Thora Sharptooth briefly, who was wearing a belt by Mistress Rowena d'Erwalt (sp?) in Snartemo technique, where each card is threaded alike with four colors, for instance red, blue, green, yellow. and each card is turned separately to make interlocking geometric patterns. Gorgeous!! _Tablet Weaving_ by Egon Hansen, dist by Books for Craftsmen 1304 Scott Street, Petaluma CA 94954 USA, has reproductions and patterns for this and other Viking bands. It is $50 for a slim paperback volume, with _lots_ of typos. But very useful. If you are card weaving on an inkle loom with all cards threaded alike, you can save lots of time warping, by this method. Put the cards in a pack and thread all of them at once, one ball for each color. Tie the ends to the beam, leave one card behind, and warp the four threads on the pegs, back to the breast beam, leave another card behind and continue. When all cards are warped, tie the beggining to the end for a continuous warp, like in inkle weaving. When I started this seemed the obvious way to do it, but it doesnt seem to be generally done. > I've done a number of braids in crochet cotton, but the ones done with heavier yarns tend to be more "popular". ? Crochet cotton is the heaviest I have used, the finest was sewing thread. I want to do some weaving again. While I was pregnant, my arthritis was too bad, and I have just been too busy since then. But Pennsic is over and I can stop sewing garb for a while. :-) Ranvaig From: motto at cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Weaving Date: 25 Aug 93 18:09:50 GMT Organization: AT&T Greetings, Ranvaig! How interesting! What four colors were in Thora Sharptooth's belt? I have never heard the technique of individual card rotation referred to a Snartemo before. I'd actually never heard a particular name assigned to the technique. Neither had I heard of the book by Egon Hansen. Thank you for the lead. I agree heartily with your statements about continuous warping. I use it whenever possible because of the increase in speed it provides in warping. I have been doing my card weaving on an Inkle loom since January, when my husband and some loving friends gave me the loom for my birthday. While it is not quite as simple and versatile as card weaving off the loom, it has the advantage of being easily interruptible. In my household, there is precious little time for weaving, after tending to my children, and the housework, and, of course, the day job that pays the bills and gives me net access. Being able to leave the weaving set up so that I can weave for a few minutes whenever I get a chance makes the difference between getting something done in what appears to be no-time versus being ever frustrated that there are no blocks of time to get set up and weave. Another thing I always do is warp the loom for the maximum length. This allows me to make about a 9 foot length of weaving if I make it one piece. But more commonly I now make it into several pieces. First I will make a wearable belt or band. Then I will make a sample piece with the same pattern as the band, about 9-12 inches long, to show the pattern and colors. It makes it easier to part with a band if I have a piece to keep for myself. Then I can use the remaining length to experiment with different weavings of the warp. For example, after making a very striking belt with a 12 forward, 12 reverse weave pattern, I wove it with a 4 forward and 4 reverse pattern for an entirely different effect. Another woven with the 4 forward, 4 reverse I wove entirely in one direction with a single reverse -- the effect changed particolored diamonds into triangles and was strikingly different than the original pattern. I find the experimenting to be the most satisfying part of the weaving. I am fortunate that there are excellent sources of materials in my shire and in the neighboring shire. While I find the available colors of crochet cotton to be very limited, there is a weaving workshop in the area which carries a full array of colors in carpet warp. Embroidery threads such as pearl cotton and stranded cotton floss are also both cheap and abundant. But most exciting were some recent closeouts of "odd lots" of yarns in fine wools, rich, heavy cottons, and some amazing silky rayon chained cord. My bins are overflowing! While the single 4-oz balls of cotton yarn in a dozen colors would seem a lost cause to a knitter, for card weaving it is raw material for at least two dozen heavy belts. Belts that can hold up swords. Belts that are up to 5 inches wide and can be worn as sashes. Belts that are bold bands of color across a garment. (ah.... getting a little carried away -- forgive me) There's just this artistic vision I get when I see a bin full of yarn, the colors crying out to be paired and twisted together into a thing of beauty and grace. Kinda makes it all worthwhile, somehome. Rosaline Shire of Rokkehealdan, MK (Mary) From: scoth at cyberspace.com (Scot Harkins) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Weaving Date: 25 Aug 1993 09:23:31 -0700 Organization: (CYBERSPACE) Public Internet 206.286.1600 Since you mention weaving, my lady, HL Alastrina McKeary, has a knotty problem in the card weaving area. She is going to produce about fifteen yards of trim displaying a badge, somewhat symetrical, reversible in such a way that one side will display vertically and the other horizontally. To do this, we are fabricating *eight* sided cards (52 of them) for the purpose. We are only in the conceptual stage right now; pricing supplies and graphing the pattern. We are being careful to document progress for future entry in competitions/tourneys. All of this by Christ's Mass or Twelfth Night. If anyone is interested or has input, let me know or reply. HL Scot MacFin Western RH, AnTir From: jab2 at stl.stc.co.uk (Jennifer Ann Bray) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: tablet woven borders Date: 26 Aug 93 12:19:40 Organization: STC Technology Ltd., London Road, Harlow, UK. I don't know if anyone else has tried this, but tablet weaving was once used as a starting border for loom weaving. the warp of the main cloth is the weft of the tablet weaving. you produce a piece of tablet weaving with the weft pulled out on one side around a couple of short posts (the posts are hammered into the ground or fixed to one side of a frame you are tablet weaving on) Marta Hoffman gives an excellent description in her book on the warp weighted loom. I tried this as a starting border for a warp weighted loom and it worked fine, but I find the loom excrutiatingly slow to work on. having just restored a 1930s frame loom I tried using a tablet woven header on that. I was told by an expert it couldn't be done, but I didn't really have any problems. I just sewd the tablet weaving to the rod I would have tied the end of the warp to. I suspect I threaded the loom up back to front as I had to do a lot of winding to get the warp even on the back beam, but I wove a couple of inches last night and it worked. the loom will weave up to 40" so I fancy trying a square viking cape on it. The next stage is to figure out how to do tablet woven sides as well. I think if I stick to two threads per card I might be able to fit them through the reed, but I won't get any really fancy patterns that way unless I use brocading. Has anyone else out there tried tablet weaving in association with loom weaving? Has anyone got any suggestions? I think from my reading that most bands that were integral with the cloth and not sewn on were pretty plain, (though the Thorsbjerg cloaks had very wide borders they don't seem to have been patterned) does anyone know if this was the general rule, or know of any exceptions to it? From: PRIEST at vaxsar.vassar.EDU (CAROLYN PRIEST-DORMAN) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Weaving Date: 27 Aug 1993 19:30:33 -0400 Unto the Fishyfolk of the Rialto, greeting from Thora Sharptooth! Stephen of the Grove wrote: >I've done much more with double-face (2+2) patterns than the >threaded in paterns. The pictures of period tablet weaving I've >seen have all been done with that method... None that I've found >used the threaded in patterns. Have any of you found documentation >for threaded in patterns? Several extant medieval pieces have border treatments that are small threaded-in patterns. The Coptic arrowhead motif discussed by Collingwood is one; related simple threaded-in patterns were common to early period Coptic weaves. Also, checkered selvedges are found on some tenth-century Anglo-Saxon pieces (some of the relics of St. Cuthbert). A famous threaded-in pattern is the Saxon diamond piece. It's the remnants of a "late pagan" Anglo-Saxon belt in three colors. The original write-up of it is by Grace Crowfoot; Collingwood also discusses it and Gale Owen-Crocker's DRESS IN ANGLO-SAXON ENGLAND has a very good photo of the piece on page 100. While it displays the continuous forward turning and simple design of a threaded-in pattern, the interesting thing about this weave is the turning sequence: you turn only the odd tablets and throw a weft, then turn only the even tablets and throw another weft, and like that. A Finnish woman's belt from the Eura graves (circa 1000 CE) has a small semi-meander design that I think is threaded-in. However, I haven't yet been able to duplicate it; perhaps the book I found it in reproduces it oddly, or perhaps I misinterpreted the design when trying to weave it. Later in period (1294, to be precise), there's a threaded-in tubular silk ribbon used as a seal tag on a Scottish royal charter. The pattern is worked on eight tablets: two side-by-side squares (one blue, the other pink) with green centers on a white background. The effect is sort of psychedelic, as the tubular weave makes the squares spiral around the cord. Many types of tablet weaving are period, however. There's diagonal double-turn, double-face double-turn, various twills, brocading, and shadow patterning, let alone the more complicated four-color "Snartemo" technique. And a far greater proportion of the finds are plain weave than anyone would have you believe. ;> For sources, e-mail me. Remember, my offer of weaving two yards of silk trim for the first person to definitively document "stinkin' diamonds" in period still stands.... ************************************************************************** Carolyn Priest-Dorman Thora Sharptooth Poughkeepsie, NY Frosted Hills ("where's that?") priest at vassar.edu East Kingdom Gules, three square weaver's tablets in bend Or ************************************************************************** From: jab2 at stl.stc.co.uk (Jennifer Ann Bray) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Weaving Date: 2 Sep 93 11:38:52 Organization: STC Technology Ltd., London Road, Harlow, UK. Thora Sharptooth wrote of a Finnish woman's belt from the Eura graves witha threaded in semi meander pattern. I believe she is referring to one described in "Ancient Finnish Costumes" by Pirkko-Liisa Lehtosalo- Hilander. It looked to me as if the pattern was that given below: % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . % % % . % % % . % % % . % % % . % % % . % % % . % % % % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % , % . % % % , % % % , % % % , % % % , % % % , % % % , % % % , % , , , % , , , % , , , % , , , % , , , % , , , % , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % represents first darkest colour , and . are the two lighter colours so the top line is done by a card threaded all with % the next line is threaded all . the next line is three corners with % and the fourth with . and so forth If you squint at the diagram above you might get the idea but its a lot clearer if you copy it onto squared paper and colour it in. Jennifer Vanaheim Vikings (not SCA but I was passing the Rialto & thought I'd stop for a chat) From: priest at vaxsar.vassar.edu (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Weaving Date: 10 Sep 93 07:40:31 +1000 Unto the Fishyfolk of the Rialto, particularly its Weavers, greeting from Thora Sharptooth! Ranvaig writes: >>How interesting! What four colors were in Thora Sharptooth's belt? >>I have never heard the technique of individual card rotation referred >>to a Snartemo before. I'd actually never heard a particular name >>assigned to the technique. >I dont remember the colors. At Red Dragon last year, Mistress Rowena >showed me a similiar belt (or maybe the same one) she had made. Each >repeat of ~ 3" took an entire day to weave. > >Perhaps Thora would describe it better. > >Snartemo refers to a specific piece described in Hansen. I believe >Mistress Rowena used the phrase, Snartemo Technique, but I could >have made it up myself. :-) Mistress Rowena does indeed use the phrase "Snartemo technique." I remember when she came running up to me at Pennsic XX and hollered "I figured out Snartemo!" ;> Snartemo is the name of the Norwegian location at which a variety of sixth-century tablet-woven pieces, among other things, were found. "Snartemo technique" refers to the technique by which the most intricate of the Snartemo pieces (as well as some other pieces) was woven: a four-color threading for each tablet (red, blue, yellow, and green for Snartemo V) and a weaving method relying (like "Egyptian diagonals" technique) on diagonal alignment of colors to make elaborate patterns. Most of the pieces in this technique are early period, but there's an extant twelfth-century Norwegian piece (a cloak edging) in what looks to be the same technique. (Those of you who have seen Collingwood's write-up on the technique, be warned: he got this one DEAD wrong. It's much less bizarre than he claims it is. Of course, Hansen's explanation isn't much easier to follow, at first glance!) The piece Mistress Rowena made for me was a gift. We discussed the coloring and patterning beforehand--it is actually woven in only three colors (my colors of gules and Or plus sable). Most of Rowena's Snartemo work has been in four colors, like the Snartemo V piece; however, last year she wove a belt for herself in her colors (azure, vert and argent) which looked so nice I thought I'd ask for something with the same general three-color effect. Mine has some of the patterns from the original Snartemo finds plus some original patterning Rowena devised that looks like little weaving tablets (the main charge in my arms). It's wool, about 1.5" wide with solid borders, a little over 2 yards long with long tubular-braided ends. (The only problem with this most gorgeous of belts is that many people think that it is a machine-produced length of trim, at least until it is explained to them!) Rowena has also woven several other pieces--trim for a Viking apron-dress, other belts, etc.--in this technique. But her 3/1 broken twill figured double-cloth pieces (the "field belts" that she wears so casually!) are equally stunning and exceptional. She is without question the most authentic and technically perfect tablet-weaver I have ever seen or heard tell of in the Known World. It's not for nothing that all my students and I call her the "Tablet-weaving Goddess." **************************************************************************** Carolyn Priest-Dorman Thora Sharptooth Poughkeepsie, NY Frosted Hills ("where's that?") priest at vassar.edu East Kingdom Gules, three square weaver's tablets in bend Or **************************************************************************** Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: motto at cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) Subject: Re: tablet weaving info needed. Organization: AT&T Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 03:13:20 GMT In article mjc+ at cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio) writes: >>I've just started tablet-weaving hems for my tunics, and need some info. >>What is the best way of ending the braid? If you cut a long band into several >>pieces (for sleeves), then how do you keep it from raveling? > >The same way as for other woven trims -- fold the ends under if the threads >are fine enough that the bulk won't be a problem, or sew the ends into the >seams of the tunic. (If you're really desperate I suppose you could apply >Fray-Check, available at your fabric/notions store, but I've never had much >success with that.) > >Ellisif Tightly woven tablet weaves are quite fray resistant. Sew them together with sewing thread with the end to the outside to make a short, decorative fringe. Make long strands between the pieces -- 6 inches of yarn ends at each end to be joined, for example, and braid them together, finishing each braid with an overhand knot for a luxurious fringe effect. Be truly obsessive and alternately weave them into each other along the pattern lines to make it appear seamless. Enclose the ends in a french seam finish on the garment itself. Those are my ideas, anyway. Rosaline (Mary) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: mjc+ at cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio) Subject: Re: tablet weaving info needed. Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:34:26 GMT >I've just started tablet-weaving hems for my tunics, and need some info. >What is the best way of ending the braid? If you cut a long band into several >pieces (for sleeves), then how do you keep it from raveling? The same way as for other woven trims -- fold the ends under if the threads are fine enough that the bulk won't be a problem, or sew the ends into the seams of the tunic. (If you're really desperate I suppose you could apply Fray-Check, available at your fabric/notions store, but I've never had much success with that.) Ellisif From: jab2 at stl.stc.co.uk (Jennifer Ann Bray) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Eura tablet weaving pattern Date: 29 Sep 93 11:45:52 Organization: STC Technology Ltd., London Road, Harlow, UK. I posted this before, but someone asked to see it, so maybe it never got out properly here goes the second attempt... This is my attempt at a tablet weaving pattern from Eura. It is in 3 colours, I don't know exactly what they were or which went where. * represents one colour ' is another and / is the third on the original * was dark and the other two were light All tablets turn in the same direction given by the slope of the / and ' * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' * * * ' * * * ' * * * ' * * * ' * * * ' * * * ' * * * ' * * * ' * * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * ' * / * * * / * * * / * * * / * * * / * * * / * * * / * * * / * * * / * * * / / / * / / / * / / / * / / / * / / / * / / / * / / / * / / / * / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To use the pattern you would probably need to copy it onto a piece of graph paper using coloured pens. then thread up your tablets with the first four colours in each row. Red from plants in the madder family was used on the textiles, as was a dye identified as indigo (which presumably could have come from woad aswell) There was also an unidentified yellow or green. the reconstructors used heather birch leaves and nettle for the yellow or green colour in their version. The original band was "no more than 11mm wide" I made a copy with ' as a dark indigo blue, ' as a strong weld yellow and * as a bright madder orangey red. The result came out like a series of flames, well I thought it did anyway. I worked this pattern out from Ancient Finnish Costume by Pirkko-Liisa Lehtosalo-Hilander Their interpretation of the pattern is "from the very beginning of the band. where the pattern had not yet been formed" so other patterns based on the same threading are plausible. I would be grateful for any corrections, any information on what the original clours were, or any ideas on better ways of sending tablet weaving patterns through email. Jennifer Vanaheim Vikings (Not SCA, but I was passing the Rialto & stopped for a chat) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: kreyling at lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966) Subject: Re: Table Weaving (was Truth and Beauty (was: A&S Competitions) Organization: Loral Data Systems Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 02:52:30 GMT In article aliskye at netcom.com (Laura F. Jenkins) writes: >Can someone recommend some good books on this topic? With publishers. > Peter Collingwood is the definitive author on tablet weaving. His "Techniques on Tablet Weaving" is generally considered the best. It may be out of print. It IS hard to find. (Watson-Guptill Publications, New york, 1982). Russell Groff's "Card Weaving" is a nice little how-to but has nothing about period weaves. There are alot of patterns provided, quite a few of which are basic geometrics. (Robin and Russ Handweavers, McMinnville, Ore.) Someone might be able to send you an address (I've lost my catalog). Interweave Press is the best publishing company for any weaving style as a rule Brigit ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Kreyling | Master Erik of Telemark O.L.,O.P. kreyling at world.lds.loral.com | Shire of Brineside Moor Sarasota,Fl. USA | Kingdom of Trimaris, SCA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: priest at vaxsar.vassar.edu (Carolyn Priest-Dorman) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Card Weaving Date: 29 Nov 93 08:06:32 +1000 Organization: Vikings R Us Unto the Fishyfolk of the Rialto, greeting from Thora Sharptooth! Konrad von Buren asks: >I've been doing card weaving for awhile and I was wondering what type >of trim would be appropiate for a thirteenth century sideless surcoat? >What type of material would have been used for the thread (ie. wool, silk, >linen)? Well, I'm not a specialist in thirteenth-century garments, so I can't tell you if tablet weaving is appropriate trim for a sideless surcoat in that period. However, there are several surviving pieces of decorative thirteenth-century tablet weaving. Plain weaves in silk (sometimes linen) brocaded in silk or spun gold (or silver) thread were used for ecclesiastical trimmings, hairnet edgings, and girdles; they were decorated in geometric or heraldic motifs. Then there's the Belt of Philip of Swabia (died 1208), which is silk and decorated in a variety of ways: brocading, soumaking, and shadow checks. (Shadow checks are idiot-simple to weave, and in a fine shiny thread make a plain but gorgeously subtle band.) >Does anyone know a good book on brocaded card weaving? To my knowledge, there is no book focusing on brocaded tablet weaving. It is covered in both Collingwood's THE TECHNIQUES OF TABLET WEAVING (still out of print, as far as I know) and in Egon Hansen's TABLET WEAVING (which is in print but costs $55 if you can find it); however, neither source is particularly simple to absorb. Other how-to books touch on it, but I've never found one of them that sheds more light on the subject than Collingwood or Hansen. If you can't figure it out from books, try looking for someone to show you; this technique is easiest to learn by being taught by someone who's good at it. As always, I am happy to discuss sources, etc., via private e-mail. ************************************************************************* Carolyn Priest-Dorman Thora Sharptooth Poughkeepsie, NY Frosted Hills ("where's that?") priest at vassar.edu East Kingdom Gules, three square weaver's tablets in bend Or ************************************************************************* From: sclark at epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Card Weaving Date: 29 Nov 1993 16:50:31 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Greetings! Most of the examples of theirteenth century clothing I have seen do not show prominent trim. A few of the early fourteenth century examples I have noted in sources do have a sort of plain band trim along the neckline and armholes. If you wanteted to trim a thirteenth century sleeveless (not sideless--that's a mostly 14th century style, except in Spain) surcote, I'd suggest a small, geometric-patterned card weaving (not too wide) of silk along the neckhole. Thirteen century clothing seems to have relied on patterend cloth, rather than lots of trim, to give the ooh-ah factor. (Or really expensive cloth, or interesting weaves..etc.) Cheers! Nicolaa/Susan Canton of Eoforwic sclark at epas.utoronto.ca From: habura at vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Card Weaving Date: 30 Nov 1993 14:25:03 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY On trim: There are several fourteenth century funeral brasses that show bands of decorative trim on the garments. Favorite locations seem to be the edges of mantles and sideless surcoats. (Other styles of trim and decoration-- carpet patterns, "foliated" stuff--appear as well, but we're talking about bands here.) A large percentage are alternating figures within a thin border, like so: ============================================================================= * <> * <> * <> * <> * <> * <> * <> * <> * <> * <> * <> * <> * <> * <> * =========================================================================== The pattern I've drawn is based on a real one; a mid-14th c. brass has trim with a pattern of alternating diamonds and dots. (My memory says this is from the brass of Joanna de Woodward, but my notes are at home and I will not swear to it.) Other alternating patterns used quatrefoils or cinquefoils alternating with dots, or hollow trefoil-like things in opposite orientations. Since funeral brasses are not good sources for technique, I don't know whether these bands were embroidered or woven. There *are* surviving embroideries that use similar patterns, but that doesn't necessarily mean that embroidery was the only way they were done. Another note: a 13th c. chasuble at Melk shows the Virgin and St. John at the Crucifixion, both wearing loose tunic-like garments with bands at the neck and sleeve. The bands are--lessee--white or ivory background, gold boundary and quatrefoils. On a human-sized garment they would be about 1" wide. Alison MacDermot Needle Jock From: vinwaluf2 at aol.com (VINWALUF2) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: tablet weaving patterns Date: 31 May 1995 21:32:42 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Another book you may want to find is "Tablet Weaving" by Egon Hansen. (I got my copy from Unicorn Textile Books). It's a bit of a bear to read, as it was evidently (poorly) translated from the original Finnish, but the bulk of the items he covers are from archaeological textiles. Hope this is of help. Gwennan ferch Gwydion O'Ddyved Barony of AnCrosaire Trimaris From: priest at vaxsar.vassar.edu Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: tablet weaving patterns Date: 1 Jun 95 07:22:24 +1000 Organization: Vassar College Greeting from Thora Sharptooth! Gwennan (vinwaluf2 at aol.com) wrote: > Another book you may want to find is "Tablet Weaving" by Egon Hansen. (I > got my copy from Unicorn Textile Books). It's a bit of a bear to read, as > it was evidently (poorly) translated from the original Finnish, but the > bulk of the items he covers are from archaeological textiles. Hansen's workshop worked on reproducing early period tablet weaves for use at the Danish open-air museum at Moesgard. (The original language was not Finnish, but Danish.) Some of the textiles covered in the book were archaeological, some were relics. Good photos of the reproductions are included. Photos of some of these reproductions are also included on the World of the Vikings CD-ROM, including two Anglo-Saxon pieces. Hansen's explanations take careful reading, and there are some printing errors in some of the patterns. Not a beginner's book! Does anybody remember who once told the Rialto about this book that it was written by "Danes from Mars"? I've quoted her often since then. ;> ************************************************************************** Carolyn Priest-Dorman Thora Sharptooth Poughkeepsie, NY Frosted Hills ("where's that?") priest at vassar.edu East Kingdom Gules, three square weaver's tablets in bend Or ************************************************************************** From: donna at kwantlen.bc.CA (Donna Hrynkiw) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Tablet Weaving news!! Date: 25 Oct 1995 16:37:37 -0400 For all you tablet-weavers/card-weavers out there. Elizabeth Braidwood donna at kwantlen.bc.ca ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 25 Oct 95 16:19:05 EDT From: LINDA J. HENDRICKSON <102617.362 at compuserve.com> Subject: Tablet Weaving Hi Donna, Here's a fact sheet on TWINE. You will need to contact Linda Malan for information on Marijke van Epen's workshops. I'm arranging Peter Collingwood's workshops, and there are no definite plans yet. TWINE Tablet Weavers International News Exchange Tablet weavers of any level of experience are encouraged to join TWINE, Tablet Weavers International News Exchange. Formed in July 1994, the group now has approximately 60 members from the US, Canada, The Netherlands, Denmark, England, France, Israel, and Australia. Pirkko Karvonen, a leading fiber craftsperson from Alberta, Canada, is coordinating a newsletter. It consists of material written by the members, and is distributed three times per year. Topics include letters, techniques, technical tips, historical articles, product news, and announcements of interest to tablet weavers. To join TWINE and receive the newsletter, send $ 9.00 if you live in the U.S. or Canada, or $12.00 if you live elsewhere, to: Pirkko Karvonen 373 - 22560 Wye Rd Sherwood Park, Alberta T8A 4T6 Canada Phone (403) 467-4254 TWINE CURRENT NEWS TWINE is sponsoring a workshop by the Dutch tablet weaver Marijke van Epen in July 1996, to be held in Seattle or Portland. Marijke has written books on Indonesian tablet weaving, and on the use of tablets to produce traditional designs from Peru and Bolivia. For information, contact: Linda Malan 830 Olympic Avenue Edmonds, WA 98020 USA Phone (206) 771-8072 TWINE is also planning a juried international tablet weaving exhibition, to be held at the First Unitarian Church in downtown Portland in July 1996, to coincide with Convergence 96. Additionally, Peter Collingwood, British author of The Techniques of Tablet Weaving, is now scheduling tablet weaving workshops to be held before and after Convergence 96 activities. For information on the exhibition and Peter's workshops, contact: Linda Hendrickson 140 SE 39th Avenue Portland, OR 97214-2002 USA Phone (503) 239-5016 The Techniques of Tablet Weaving, the most comprehensive reference ever written on the subject, is currently out of print. A new paperback edition is ready to be printed. To be sure you are on the mailing list to be notified when the new edition is available, please write to Linda Hendrickson (address above) or send supportive letters directly to: Peter Collingwood Old School, Nayland Colchester C06 4JH England Phone/Fax 011-44-1-206-262401 Below are the descriptions of the workshops Peter would like to teach: LETTERING IN TABLET WEAVING (INTERMEDIATE) Tablet-woven bands have traditionally been used as a means for weaving inscriptions, which could be political, religious, commemorative, or even amorous or humorous. This class will learn three ways of doing this; namely using S- and Z-twining, the versatile double-faced weave, and plain weave double-cloth with only two threads per tablet. But if you cannot think of anything to say, you can concentrate on other motifs, either traditional or self-engendered. Suitable for students who have already had at least one introductory class in tablet weaving and know how to make a continuous warp. ADVANCED There are some complex and little known forms of tablet weaving which include its use in a twill double-faced weave, in producing a two-sided velvet fabric, and in the products based on a modern form of the pasaka, an Indonesian implement making two-layered warp twining possible. This class will concentrate on these and other techniques. Suitable for students who have the normal double-faced weave under (or on) their belt and want to make the next step into the many possibilities of tablet weaving. For both classes: Duration: Three to five days, preferably the latter. Number: Up to 15 students Equipment: Each student would need two C-clamps, suitable warp yarn, heavy sword or shuttle for beating and about 40 tablets (more should be available in the class). Fee: 190 pounds sterling (you'll have to calculate what that comes to in Canadian dollars [Somewhere over $400Can]) plus lodging & travel expenses. Thanks for your help, and let me know what happens. Linda From: wdalt at wam.umd.edu (William Dalton) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re:Painted Trim Date: Sun, 21 Apr 96 19:49:19 GMT Organization: University of Maryland College Park >Number Four: The reason I ask about painted trim is that I am allergic >to all the floral trim I've seen at the shops, and the pseudo-greek >type >trim makes me retch, so I'm looking for alternatives. I've tried >tablet >woven trim, but till I get myself a loom that can handle longer lentgths, >I've put that on hold. Or is trim even period for extreme northwest >Europe of that time? Perhaps trim then was more of a simple colored >band? Hmmm... >Conmhara I realize you mention not wanting to pursue tablet weaving, but Egon Hansen's book "Tablet Weaving" (ISBN#87-7739-047-4) has many examples and recreations of trims from the Viking Period. Perhaps they can give you some suggestions of what to look for in the trim section of a fabric store, or inspire you to try tablet weaving again. Nancy Dalton aka Earnwynn van Zwaluwenburg From: brettwi at ix.netcom.com(Brett Williams) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Collingwood's "Techniques of Tablet Weaving" back in print! Date: 11 Jun 1996 16:01:33 GMT I found an announcement on the weaving mailing list that Robin & Russ Handweavers of McMinnville, Oregon, has reprinted Peter Collingwood's "Techniques of Tablet Weaving", the most definitive book on the subject. You can email Robin & Russ directly at: robinruss at macnet.com for more information, or you can order a copy directly from the head of TWINE: Linda Hendrikson 140 SE 39th Avenue Portland, OR 97214-2002 She says that it's US $40, which is good for both US and Canada-- and includes shipping, however those outside the US should contact her directly (102617.362 at compuserve.com) for info on international orders. ciorstan From: "Jennifer Kubenka" To: ansteorra at eden.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 07:21:19 +0000 Subject: Collingwood Tablet Weaving Book Peter Collingwood's _The Techniques of Tablet Weaving_ is back in print! I received my copy in the mail yesterday, and it is a very nice paperback, with the photos digitally enhanced, so that they are clearer than in the original version. Bibliographic details are: Collingwood, Peter. The Techniques of Table Weaving. McMinnville, Oregon : Robin & Russ Handweavers, Inc., 1996. ISBN 1566590558. I ordered my copy from: Linda Hendrickson 140 SE 39th Avenue Portland, Oregon 97214-2002 Linda Hendrickson <102617.362 at CompuServe.COM> The price was 40.00, and that includes the shipping and handling. You can also order the book directly from Robin & Russ. Their address is: Robin & Russ Handweavers, Inc. 533 North Adams Street McMinnville, OR 97128 robinruss at macnet.com (Robin & Russ Handweavers, Inc.) I will say that both Linda and Robin & Russ were very courteous via email, and responded quickly to my request. Now, to make the time to read it..... Emher ni Maille From: "Morgan E. Smith" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: weaving Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:42:26 -0700 Organization: Calgary Free-Net On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Sean Daly wrote: > I'm posting this for a friend but please send any corrispondences to me > and I'll forward them onto her. She is interested in knowing more about > "tablet" or "card" weaving. If you know of any books with pictures and > descriptions of this weaving technique, please e-mail me since I don't > read this newsgroup often. Thanks for all your help...L8R...Sean > > Reinmar the Alchemist > Barony of Wurm Wald Peter Collingwood's "Techniques of Tablet Weaving" is considered the "bible", but another recommended book is "Card Weaving" by Candace Crockett (which comes with 24 cards) is easier to get. (Interweave Press). If you have trouble obtaining these books, email me privately>mesmith at freenet.calgary.ab.ca. (I own a bookstore) Morgan the Unknown Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:23:59 -0500 From: Jenn Carlson To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: RE: inkle weaving & warp faced band weaving Greetings to the members of this grand list from Maerwynn of Holme. In regards to the "inkle" weaving thread, I have forwarded a couple of references from a tablet-weaving venue to Ailene and she says I should share with everyone. There are a couple of Anglo-Saxon bands that are done with a tabby weave in the middle section with two cards of tablet weaving on each side. I have come upon them in my search for early tablet weaving (at least 2, some think they were done with 2 hole cards in the middle section). I haven't yet done any rigid heddle stuff (though it is on my to do list), so I didn't get to far into them. Ailene said: > I did warp-faced weaving weaving with a rigid heddle > because it was easier for me - I wasn't getting very consistent edges in my > (albeit brief) attempt at tabby weaving. I would think that adding cards to the edges might help with the inconsistency? Here are the references: Antiquaries Journal Vol. XXXVI, 1956, pp. 181-199 (esp. 188) "Anglo-Saxon Sites in Lincolnshire: Unpublished Material and Recent Discoveries," F.H. Thompson Antiquaries Journal Vol. XXXIV, Nos. 3&4, 1954, pp.234-5 "Tablet-woven braid from a thirteenth-century site," Grace Crowfoot The first is a very interesting technique that uses two strings of different colors in each position and long floats on the reverse of the band to make patterns (by pulling up the alternate color) on the front side--very early patterning. The author suggests a "laze rod" to achieve this, but might it be an interesting "inkle" project? (Says the tablet weaver who has never done anything even approximating inkle weaving.) Maerwynn of Holme Mag Mor, Calontir jenn at cliffs.com Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:38:59 -0500 From: Jenn Carlson To: Arts & Sciences List Subject: Finishing bands In doing research on Anglo-Saxon wrist clasps, I ran across a fairly well-preserved piece of tablet weaving that has some interesting properties in G. Crowfoot. "Anglo-Saxon Tablet Weaving," _Antiquaries Journal_ 32, nos. 3-4, 1952. (pp. 189-191)--I think this is the correct reference, I'll check tonight. In analyzing the band, Crowfoot notes that it has been "buttonhole stitched" at the end (which was then covered by the wrist clasps). I had decided to try it on my next project-- She also mentions some extra transverse threads that might be brocading, but that aren't very "regular". Maerwynn of Holme Mag Mor, Calontir jenn at cliffs.com Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:42:37 -0700 From: Brett and Karen Williams To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Card Weaving Idiot??? [SCA] Katriana wrote: > > _Card Weaving_ by Candace Crockett. Interweave Press > > Is in print again. The new edition no longer comes with cards : ( > > Same price... ($21.95) > > Question: So now that this book no longer comes with cards, is it better > than other (cheaper) books? Since Collingswood is only $35 in paperback, > and other cardweaving books are as cheap as $8.00, does this book have stuff > that makes it worth owning, especially for beginners? > > Katriana op den Dijk > Shire of Bois d'Arc > Kingdom of Calontir I bought them both. Think of Crockett as the owner's guide/recommended service manual, and Collingwood as the incredibly detailed repair-and-fix tomes one consults when a definitive authority is needed. ciorstan (a weaver lurkant) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:00:43 EDT From: SNSpies To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Card Weaving authenticity [SCA] There is archaeological evidence of bone tablets from Roman Britain (1st-4th century A.D., but whether the Celts of the same time period and place were tablet weaving or using it on their garb, I don't know. The earliest tablets that I know of from Ireland are dated to the 11th century, although the ones found in the crannogs may date earlier (they can't date them closely at all, unfortunately). Nancy (Ingvild) From: Brett Williams Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Tablet, card and inkle weaving books Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:26:34 -0700 Julie M. Lehrman wrote: > Since tablet weaving has come up on this list... > > Could somebody please give me a quick description of the (modern) > technique called "speed warping." > > The time it took to get ready to weave my first project is slowing the > start of the second. > > Juliana It can be done if you have the same color in the same holes of the pack throughout. For example, if you're doing a two-color band with color 1 in holes A-B and color 2 in C-D, then your method is such: Stack all your cards with alignment suiting your individual fancy. Obtain four thread sources (in my case, cones or spools-- I won't do this with skeins because of tangling issues). Thread one Color 1 spool's end through all of Hole A in the stack; same with the second spool of Color 1, through all of Hole B in the stack. Repeat one spool of Color 2 through Hole C and second spool of Color 2 in Hole D of the stack. Grasp the entire pack in one hand and drag the stack around your favorite warp-holder (this can be two posts, two c-clamps on a table or a small loom, what ever you have). Each time you pass the point where you want your pack to end up, drop one card off. This means you end up with a continuous warp from Card 1 through Card N (e/g/, a pack of 25 cards means 25 trips around the posts). A wise gentleman I know deploys a yarn-keeper during continous warping that consists of four plastic soda bottles with the yarn threaded up through the small end, bottom cut off for insertion of yarn cone or ball. He ties a rubber band around the set of four for keeping the bottles/yarn sources in submission. This method, while fast, only works for certain warps. If your project has directions for specific color threadings in specific cards in specific places (pretty much a modern method, used minimally in period compared with the doublefaced and/or brocaded methods of patterning), then you're outta luck and have to thread 'em one at a time. On the other hand, if you're doing a solid color band (for brocade! Zowie!!), or a striped band, or even Snartnemo-style, you're all set to go for speed warping. Hope the explanation helps. And don't get all anxious about threading-- when it comes to weaving, the time and quality of effort put into the set up (warping and threading) is amply evident in the quality of the finished product. ciorstan (who will admit to having taking a month to thread an eight shaft pattern 18 inches wide and 36 ends per inch on the floor loom through reed and heddles since she _despises_ threading) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 05:06:26 -0400 From: Melanie Wilson To: "INTERNET:sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu" Subject: Tablet Weaving-making cards You will find an article on making tablets from Wood, bone, horn and leather on my web pages: Main Anglian Page http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MelanieWilson/anglianm.htm How to page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MelanieWilson/howto.htm Tablet making Page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MelanieWilson/tabmake.htm If you can't get horn flat plates in the US I supply various Period Provisions including these, details are on http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/LCVInternational/periodpr.htm Hope this is some help. Mel Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:23:11 -0400 From: rmhowe To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of Tablet Weaving Jeane Watson wrote: > Anyone know of a good source for cards...made of wood, or bone?? > > THL Constanza C.X. de Valencia http://www.radix.net/~herveus/ wooden tablets Magnus Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:16:31 EDT From: To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of Tablet Weaving << Anyone know of a good source for cards...made of wood >> Try Laura Morgan, 1633 Stoney Creek Drive, Charlottesville, VA 22902, tel. (804) 984-0537. Nancy (Ingvild) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 11:12:03 EST From: To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Ivory bibilography and more Thank you to everyone for all the information and references on ivory! What a treasure! [NOTE - See the Florilegium file: ivory-bib] May I return the favor in a very small way by directing people who are interested to a site that carries a rather definitive bibilography of references on tablet weaving? It is a combination of Peter Collingwood's and my bibliographies. It is not quite complete, I believe, but hopefully soon will be. It can be found via the following site: http://w3.thegroup.net/~janis/ Nancy (Ingvild) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:29:21 EST From: To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Dublin Viking Cap documentation Slaine asked about documentation for tablet weaving in Viking-age Dublin. I think this might help ... There are 7 brocaded tabletwoven bands in the National Museum of Ireland, Dublin, which were found in Viking-age urban deposits in Dublin dating from the 10th to 12th century. (E. 71:11124, E. 122:13272, E. 122:13448, E. 172:10679, E. 172:14373, E. 173:158, and E. 190:1194). All of them have silk warps and are brocaded variously with "spun-gold", "spun-silver", and wools. Further echnical information can be found in the following articles. Pritchard, Frances. "Aspects of the Wool Textiles from Viking Age Dublin." In "Archaeological Textiles in Northern Europe" (NESAT IV), edited by Lise Bender Jorgensen and Elisabeth Munksgaard, 93-104. Copenhagen: Det Kongelige Danske Kunstakademi, 1992. Pritchard, Frances. "Silk Braids and Textiles of the Viking Age from Dublin." In "Archaeological Textiles" (NESAT II), edited by Lise Bender Jorgense, Bente Magnus, and Elisabeth Munksgaard, 149-156. Copenhagen: Arkaeologisk Institut, 1988. Nancy (Ingvild) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:58:02 EST From: To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Card Weaving FalanMacF at aol.com writes: << Does anyone know where I can order some Cards so I can start Cardweaving? I am trying to get a book on it by Candance Cruckett(sp) which is suppose to have cards in the back. But, since I am having to find an used one, I dont suspect the cards will be atttached. >> Robin & Russ Handweavers 533 N. Adams McMinnville, Oregon 97128 I'm afraid I don't have a phone number or web site - I only have a few cards left with their address. The last time I ordered from them, I believe it was around $12 for 100 cards. I give the cards away when I teach card weaving, so I like being able to get them in packs of 100. At Estrella, I noticed that The Green Duck had cards. Their website is: http://www.greenduck.com I didn't look at the price, since I didn't need more cards at the time... Ealasaid Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:09:36 +0100 From: Anna Troy To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Card Weaving >Does anyone know where I can order some Cards so I can start Cardweaving? >Faolan MacFarland Cards are very easy to make your self. I've seen some made out of playing cards clipped in half, the edges rounded with the holes just made with a leather punch. :-) Anna de Byxe Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:23:22 -0500 From: "Gregory Stapleton" To: Subject: RE: Card Weaving Try Lark Books Publishing. http://www.larkbooks.com They sell both the set of book and cards and just the cards. They are located in Asheville, NC. Gawain Kilgore Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:24:30 -0600 From: Roberta R Comstock To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Card Weaving -- Sources for cards On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:21:31 -0700 Fred Yoder writes: > By happy coincidence, I had some cards next to the computer >desk and there are addresses on them, so... > >Earth Guild >Asheville, North Carolina >1-800-327-8448 > >And > >Freouwebbe >The Peace Weaver >5318 Stillhouse >Oak Grove, Missouri 64075 >(816) 625-8008 >(816) 625-7288 > >Hopefully one or both are still in business... > >Good Luck! >Phred Freouwebbe's address has changed: Freouwebbe, the Peace Weaver Roberta Bragg 514 Walnut Grain Valley, MO 64029 (816) 847-7737 Or email her at: Freouwebbe at msn.com I believe she used to carry several varieties of weaving cards - 4-hole, 6-hole, Maybe 3-hole? I'm not sure what all she has these days. If she isn't selling cards now, there should be some available at The Yarn Barn in Lawrence, KS. They have an 800 number, but I don't have it. You should be able to get it from directory assistance. Hertha Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:00:47 -0600 From: Gunnora Hallakarva To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Beginning Cards for Cardweaving Faolan MacFarland asked: > Does anyone know where I can order some Cards > so I can start Cardweaving? I am trying to > get a book on it by Candance Cruckett(sp) which > is suppose to have cards in the back. But, > since I am having to find an used one, I dont > suspect the cards will be atttached. Faolan, the easiest way to get cards is to go purchase a packet of beer coasters -- the cardboard ones you find in bars. I"ve found that Sam's Wholesale usually carries them, and a lot of times the local beer distributors will give them away as well. Take the whole packet of cards and C-clamp them firmly down, then use a 1/4" drill bit to drill a hole in each of the four corners right through the whole pack at once. Then unclamp and tie the packet together with string, and paint each of the four corners of the packet a different color on the edge -- I find this is very helpful later when working with more complicated patterns. Some folks use thin plastic to make their cards out of because it holds up better. Me, I still have some beer coaster cards that I've used for almost ten years. I occasionally get one bent or beat up, and I just throw it away and make new ones as needed. Gunnora Hallakarva, OL Bjornsborg and Bryn Gwlad Ansteorra Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:36:11 -0500 From: rmhowe To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Card Weaving FalanMacF at aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know where I can order some Cards so I can start Cardweaving? > Faolan MacFarland Try: Herveus d'Ormonde / Michael Houghton Bowie, MD, USA Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff http://www.radix.net/~herveus/ He makes looms too. And She does custom favors, belts, bands in many designs or to custom order. They really are quite nice and reasonably priced. Magnus, unaffiliated, but impressed. Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 06:50:17 -0800 (PST) From: Zaida To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: card weaving >>Faolan MacFarland asked: Does anyone know where I can order some Cards so I can start Cardweaving? << Hi, You can order cards from Earth Guild http://www.earthguild.com/ or Lacis http://www.lacis.com/ or School Products http://www.lacis.com/ I personally buy mine from Earth Guild, but that is just because they used to be a supplier of ours when we were building inkle looms. They sell a good sturdy cardboard card and a nice side belt shuttle that works well with them. Zaida Subject: ANST - Period Iris Ribbon? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:25:07 MST From: "C. L. Ward" To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG I just received the following information from Mistress Tangwystyl that I thought our weavers might find interesting: --------from Tangwystyl--------- In the cathedral museum in Sens (France) there is a silk tunic attributed to Saint Ebbon (8th c.), trimmed with clavii, neck and sleeve edgings of a tabby-weave silk ribbon (ca. 7/8" wide) colored in longitudinal stripes of red, black, white, green, blue, yellow, pink (possibly faded red, based on the repeat pattern), black, white, green, and blue. Each stripe comprises approximately 8 warp ends, except for the yellow (central) one, which may be 12 ends. Tangwystyl --------from Tangwystyl--------- This is not, of course, precisely what we use for award insigni for the Order of the Iris, but it gives a good documentation lead for very similar narrow-band type trim weaving. Wæs fiu Hæl (Waes Thu Hael) ::GUNNORA:: Gunnora Hallakarva, OL Baroness to the Court of Ansteorra Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 04:00:50 EDT From: To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Card Weaving Questions First, crochet cotton is a good choice for a first card weaving. Cordonet and Pearl Cotton are also good. You want a nice smooth thread, that isn't too fuzzy. Fuzzy thread makes turning the cards difficult, and adds way too much frustration to the learning process. As far as winding the thread into a butterfly... I've used two C clamps clamped upside down on a table (so that the handles are sticking up), and just wind your butterfly on that. Anything that has to projections which will allow you slide the finished butterfly off will do. Pass a thread through the loops that from the "wings" and tie it loosely around the crossed threads in the center. I'd also add a loose tie at the apex of each of the "wings". A loop four to six inches across works well for fine thread. Tie the threads tight enough that your tie doesn't slide around, but you should be able to slide your finger at least a little bit under the knot. Or, just wrap the thread around a smallish book or video cassette box, and when you pull it off, tie the circle of thread in four places - just firm enough to cause an indentation in the skein, but not as tight as you can get it. You want the water and dye to be able to reach every thread. This is how I set the spin in my wool when I take it off the spindle and can't find my niddy noddy (I swear it grows legs...) "Card Weaving" by ??? Crockett is a good book (it might be Elizabeth or Catherine Crockett, I can't seem to find my copy at the moment). "Tablet Weaving" by Egon Hansen is also good, but I find their method of drafting out the pattern difficult to follow. It also makes weaving easier if you set up some method to keep track of what direction you are turning in and how many turns you've made. I added six pegs to the bottom support of my loom, a set of four and a set of two, using tooth picks and a VERY small drill bit. I have two wooden beads. When I am turning away, the put one bead on the farthest peg of the two set, and when I'm turning towards me, I move the bead to the nearer peg of the two set. If I'm in a situation where I may be interrupted at any moment (like at a demo where people want me to talk and explain what I'm doing ), I move the second bead with every turn of the cards from peg to peg in the set of four pegs. That way I can always tell at a glance exactly where I was in the turning sequence. I ruined several weavings at demos before I came up with that method - I'd answer a question and then realize that I had no idea how many turns I had done, or which direction I was going! Mistress Ealasaid nic Shuibhne Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:13:51 +0000 From: "Plastic for better taste. " To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Card Weaving Questions > "Card Weaving" by ??? Crockett is a good book (it might be Elizabeth or > Catherine Crockett, I can't seem to find my copy at the moment). "Tablet > Weaving" by Egon Hansen is also good, but I find their method of drafting out > the pattern difficult to follow. "Card Weaving" by Candace Crockett is the best book I've seen, and have, on the subject. I just saw a copy of it at Borders today. I also have "Card Weaving" by Lois Clifford (1947) and "Card Weaving" by Russell Groff (1969). These two books were a bit more difficult to understand until I got Candace's book which was published more recently. Russell's book does have 50 some odd patterns, but his drafts are a little difficult to read. You might check out the card weaving list mailto: listproc at frank.mtsu.edu with "sub cards-l in the body of the message. Bruno Outlands Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:47:33 EDT From: "D Humberson" To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu Subject: RE: Card Weaving Questions Welcome to a great, if obscure, hobby. Mercerized cotton should not shrink much, if at all, in a tablet weave. If you are beating each shot properly, the weave will be very tight to start, as well. As for color fastness, I use 8/4 Maysville carpet warp for my 'utility' projects, and that is guaranteed color fast. I wasn't real clear on why you'd want to wind butterflys for weaving - once you warp on to the cards, you want to keep the warp as straight and even as possible. You could use a butterfly to hold your weft, but I use an Inkle loom shuttle whose edge I've beveled. The shuttle serves as a beater too, that way. If you are a beginner, get Candace Crockett's book. For a blue sky, some day, eventually type wish book get Peter Collingswood's massive book. Once again though, start wwith Crockett. Ragnar Ketilsson, BMDL, Aethelmearc From: Gwynafwy Sinclaire Date: July 10, 2007 4:32:14 PM CDT To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Question on: weaving finishes Thank you very much for the suggestions. It is for Tablet/Card weaving and inkle. Gwyn "Haraldr Bassi (Ansteorra lists)" wrote: You don't mention the style of weaving. If it is tablet woven, you can use a technique of dropping cards every few turns, weaving normally. This creates a narrowing tapered tongue at the end of the belt. Depending on the style of the threading would determine where in the pack of cards you would be dropping the cards out. You would want to either cut the ends of the warp at the fell or bring them out and back across as the weft during the tapering. I don't know there is any one true way to finish a belt, however cutting things as you go doesn't leave you much room to change your mind should you not like the results, please think it through before cutting things. In contrast you can always end the weaving, cut it, hem stitch it to hold the ends together and use a metal belt end to protect the cut end. If it's a flat weaving narrow work project, like modern inkle weaving or some other form of rigid heddle style weaving, you could use a similar taper but would want to incorporate the edge warps as the wefts of the taper, bringing them in from both sides simultaneously, trimming them can wait until after you are done with the taper but no sooner than after they have passed through at least one to three weft throws. The taper thing can be practiced on scrap warp before you do it for real at the end of a long belt project :) Haraldr Bassi, Bjornsborg (formerly Frosted Hills, East) Gwynafwy Sinclaire wrote: > I know that we all have many great ideas. I need a few... I am > looking for some different ways of finishing a woven belt. I have > done the knots, the wrapping and the "net makers" design. I would > like to try something new. Do you have any ideas? > > Gwynafwy From: betsy Date: March 26, 2009 3:11:13 PM CDT To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Card Weaving Fiona the Needleworker wrote: <<< Can anyone point me to someone or a website that can easily show me how to set up patterns/create them, and set up my loom for doing card weaving? >>> Best site I've seen: http://www.guntram.co.za/tabletweaving/ many patterns and samples! He also had (may still -did not review extensively) a downloadable program for designing new patterns. (GTT) Hope this helps, Pyro From: Haraldr Bassi Date: March 26, 2009 11:13:45 PM CDT To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Card Weaving What types of patterns are you looking for? What I normally use for beginning weaving lessons is to have people make a two color warp. You would do that with 2 spools of thread of two colors. Take all of your cards as a single pack, pull one thread of each color through a hole with the color pairs next to each other. Now that you have the four threads, tie a knot in the end of the four threads and then attach that to your loom. Then, simply wind your warp around your loom, dropping off a card in the same location as you wind. I assume you are using either an upright loom or a modern inkle loom. Each time you pass through where you dropped the first card, drop another. When you use up all of the cards, tie to two ends of the warp to each other. Now that you have a four color continuous warp, your choices of what to weave are endless. The simplest basic weave would be to initially turn successive cards so that the color pattern advances around the four holes of the cards. Split your warp in half and have the left half threaded in one direction and the right hand side threaded the other direction. You should end up with a warp that will make chevrons. If the angles don't match, look under the weaving and you should see the angle lines properly. If that happens, you can swap the threading direction of the two halves. Another style you can use with a two color single pack warp is the double faced double turn. This technique uses all the cards lined up with the same colors around the four corners in every card. The base understandings of all techniques is that whatever color passes over the top is what will appear at the cloth line. For a double faced double turn you would start with the two colors in the vertical position. By taking two turns forward and two turns backward you will have the color that started closest to you on top and the other color on the bottom. By continuing some cards forward when the rest turn backwards you will bring the other color up to the surface for that position. This will allow you to use the color changes to make letters or animal or abstract designs. You can plot things out on graph paper or just wing it. The final technique for two color warp is a much more advanced technique called 3-1 broken twill. I'd prefer to work with people directly, after they have worked some of the less complicated techniques. As for websites, google will bring up many very good quality pages for searches of "tablet weaving" or "card weaving". Haraldr From: L T Date: March 27, 2009 3:31:03 PM CDT To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Card Weaving Also... there is a good list.... SCA-Card-Weaving at yahoogroups.com I would suggest reviewing the archives and links before asking questions... Several of the owners of the best tablet/card weaving sites/books are on this list as well as some amazing non-published researchers and rank newbies ;) Lorraine DeerSlayer Edited by Mark S. Harris card-weaving-msg Page 32 of 32