SCA-noteables-msg - 12/3/08 20th century noteables in the SCA. NOTE: See also the files: Drach-hist-msg, SCA-authors-msg, SCA-hist1-msg, SCA-in-books-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, child-stories-msg, vanity-plates-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ From: julifolo at ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (watkins julia k) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Otherworld, Colombia, Real Knight Date: 20 Mar 1994 21:40:56 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana eirikr at astrid.UUCP (Mark B. Wroth) writes: >I have a friend who is a real world knight and mentions it only to his >close friends, because he does not see it as entering into the SCA. The >Knight is in the Real world and his persona is in the SCA. >Thoughts anyone? > Lady Astridhr Selr Leifsdottir > Brusten de Bearsul (Patrick Smith) received a knighthood from the Crown of, I believe, Belgium, because he helped win a canoe race once. He was a member of the military and had to get congressional approval before he could accept the honor (if I'm burbling stuff around, I hope someone corrects it; it's been a long time since I've thought about this subject, and you know what happens to old barons). Anyway, he was at the time squired within the SCA. At SCA events, he would appear as Lord Brusten, squire of Sir (Merald? any North Woodsers out there who can answer these embarrassing lapses?); at post-revels & the such, he would appear as Sir Patrick, with his squire, X. It was all done in great fun and made great stories (especially when they weren't screwed up by inadequate cranial RAM). In other words, within the SCA, Brusten was not accorded any of the homage & honor due a knight until he was knighted himself. Yrs, Folo From: Terry.Buyers at f7.n3624.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Terry Buyers) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: A question for King Morgan Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 22:19:48 -0500 In a msg on , Mike Huber of mikeh at moci.uwm.edu writes: MH> Organization: ICOM, Inc. MH> x_wolf at vesper.emcmt.EDU wrote: MH> : A response from the wrong Morgan- MH> : Someone made the statement that, if the King or Prince of MH> mundane Sweden : were to play, recognizing them as a King or MH> Prince would violate Corpora. : I would like to say: MH> : Milord, be real! If President Clinton showed up at an MH> event, you'd : still refer to him as "Mr. President" or MH> "President Clinton" right? Think MH> If he simply showed up as a visitor, yes. But if he were a MH> member, I would address him in his chosen persona. Similarly MH> with any mundane royalty. There would likely be some MH> crossover of respect and defference, but I would not withhold MH> the courtesy I show all - to respect their chosen persona. MH> Anaximander of Xidon MH> : about it! If the King of Sweden was at the same event as the MH> King of : Drachenwald (who has such a *great* name ;-), MH> COMMON COURTESY requires : that His Swedish Majesty be MH> recognized and treated as such. Making treaties, : declaring MH> war, letting Him hold Court, THOSE are *bad* ideas. MH> : MH> : Morgan Wolf, MH> : Hoping some mundane royalty does start to play MH> : (what great P.R.! ;-) Although my mundane titles are Duke and Count - depending on which side of the family you look at, my SCA titles are Baron and Knight of the Society - since those belong to the persona. Anything else is 'outside the rules of the game'. When Prince Charles plays polo hereabouts ( a silly game not at all like buzkazi ) he is not the Prince as long as he is astride and the game is on... rules of another game. From: folo at prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: 20th-century notables in the SCA Date: 9 May 1994 04:22:38 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana I've read a lot of articles on Dik Browne (including some marvelous anecdotes about him by his old friend, Mort Walker in BACKSTAGE AT THE STRIPS) and had never heard that he had been a member either of the SCA or of Markland. Certainly this would have been mentioned in at least one of the articles, since it would have been pertinent to his creation of Hagar. Has anyone considered writing his sons? or is there someone who saw him participate (I would assume either in the East or in Trimaris)? There've been rumors about him in the SCA going back twenty years, and I think it would be interesting to find out. A non-period aside: my favorite story about Browne, as related by Mort Walker, was that Browne encountered a blind man trying to cross a busy street. As Browne was helping him, the blind man began to harangue Brown, saying "Oh, you think you're such a good guy, helping a poor blind man, so you can be nasty to people the rest of the week..." So Browne walked the man into a light post. Yrs, Folo -- Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - folo at prairinet.org Baron Wurm Wald (MK) - Commander, Baldwin's Reg't, NWTA From: sbloch at ms.uky.edu (Stephen Bloch) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: 20th-century notables in the SCA Date: 7 May 1994 18:05:34 -0400 Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Dik Browne, of Hagar the Horrible. Of course, I gather "Dik Browne" is itself a pseudonym, so I have no idea and probably never shall who (s)he is in the SCA. -- Stephen Bloch sbloch at s.ms.uky.edu From: dickeney at access.digex.net (Dick Eney) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: 20th-century notables in the SCA Date: 7 May 1994 23:05:37 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA In article <2qh3be$6n8 at s.ms.uky.edu>, Stephen Bloch wrote: >Dik Browne, of Hagar the Horrible. Of course, I gather "Dik Browne" is >itself a pseudonym, so I have no idea and probably never shall who (s)he is >in the SCA. > Dik Browne was certainly a member of Markland, whether or not he was in the SCA. Some of the adventures Hagar has had afloat are based on actual, though unlikely, things that have happened to the Marklanders' replica longship, the FYRDRACA. |-----Mandarin 2/c Vuong Manh, C.P. (dickeney at access.digex.net)-----| From: axv0015 at vaxd.isc.rit.edu (Andrew Veter) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: YKYITSCA Date: 10 Oct 1995 12:32:43 GMT Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology In article , pmartin at postoffice.newnham.utas.edu.au (Peter Martin) writes: > > ALso, YKYITSCAW you realise that the last Superbowl was between West & >Caid (49ers vs. San Diego, I think it was), not 2 Californian teams. > > Cormac the Traveller. Or, you travel from Buffalo to the West and visit your friends at a Twelfth Night. They are in the bar watching the 49ers game, but switch the channel to watch the Bills now and again. Not for you but because Count Sir Glen, Knight of Caid, is a starter on the offensive line. (Parker,#74) Then there was the time Scooch was asked to leave by security at a Sabres playoff game and we ended up with Parker in the Golds (best seats). Anyone know of any other professional athletes in the SCA? Ariel From: liversen at physiology.medsch.ucla.edu (Lori Iversen) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: YKYITSCA Date: 10 Oct 1995 18:16:52 GMT Organization: UCLA In article <45dp5b$23k at news.isc.rit.edu>, axv0015 at vaxd.isc.rit.edu (Andrew Veter) says: >...Count Sir Glen, Knight of >Caid, is a starter on the offensive line. (Parker,#74) > >Ariel I could be wrong here, but I think they moved him to the defensive line. Chivalry-isn't-dead story: remember that Super Bowl where it came down to a field goal, and the Bills kicker missed it by *that* much, thereby losing the championship for the Bills? Can you imagine how *awful* that placekicker must have felt? Can you imagine how ungenerous the rest of the team must have felt towards him? Did anyone besides me and Selene Colfox notice that the first (only?) guy to reach the kicker and give him a "That's-OK-there's-always-next-year" squeeze was Earl Sir Glen? Sometimes prouder to be a Caidan than other times, Alexis % Lori Iversen % The Valley, CA From: cr751 at FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Brenda Fedun) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: December's Playgirl Centerfold Date: 26 Nov 1996 16:55:27 GMT Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Yusef here, on Brenda's account Okay, his name is Derek DeLuis, he is a peripheral member in the Canton of Caldrithig (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) and he bought some armour from me. He is a professional model, and he shows off the armour just fine. The belts and leather work was made by Jony Bouchard, an artist in Quebec City. He does a lot of "live steel work", and his armour is very effective. He likes to "texture" his armour with a side grinder to make pictures in the steel. This example is not his finest...the reflection of the light is not quite right to make out the majestic eagle he ground into the face of the belt buckle. The mask and the spaulders were made by Marc-Andre Renauld, of Gatineau Quebec. He also plays with live steel in Quebec City, and he hangs around us when he comes home to the Ottawa area...but doesn't fight with us. His armour is designed to look "anthromorphic", to look like dragon's scales and such. I think he did a great job! The chain mail is my fault. It is not everyday that such great armour gets into a big international forum like Playgirl magazine. The SCA gets a very brief mention (obviously to answer the question where would you wear something like this?, but it is patently obvious that it is not SCA legal to us, but not to mundania.) All in all, not a bad venue. Wassail to the armourers! Yusef of South Tower Caldrithig Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:15:25 -0800 (PST) From: Huette von Ahrens Subject: Re: SC - just a question wrote: > > From a couple of comments on that haggis thread; > has there ever been, either as > > a member of the SCA or as a guest, someone with a > mundane title playing with us? > > > > wajdi > > I remember reading some stories in Stefan's > Floriegium about some folks. One I > know is a real life English Duke but a knight in the > Society. I'm sure there are others. > > Gunthar Caid had a real French Count playing here for about 6 months. His mundane job had sent him to Calif. for some job. That would have been about 20 years ago. I don't know if he ever continued in the SCA when he went back to France. Huette Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:54:23 -0500 From: Philip & Susan Troy Subject: Re: SC - just a question "Alderton, Philippa" wrote: > As I understand it, there have been quite a few folks with mundane titles > playing with us, including, as I recall a Prince of Sweden (?) > > I was recently in correspondence with a guy who had had a title fron > Lichtenstein, and he gave it up when he acheived US citizenship. If you're > interested, I'll forward you our correspondence. Now that I think of it, I vaguely recall one of our Eastern dukes is a Knight of Malta or something like that, and when offered the white belt of SCAdian knighthood had to turn it down because he was already in fealty... Adamantius Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:16:56 -0500 From: Kay Loidolt Subject: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #1894-Mundane Nobles >has there ever been, either as a member of the SCA or as a guest, >someone with a mundane title playing with us? wajdi Johann von Metten/Marcus Loidolt humblely responds: Ah, well, ah, um, yes, there are mundanely titled people living among you. Until this past year I was titled 'Baron von Gussen'. There are others I know of, at least 8 knights, English and French, 2 German Princes and an Italian Count. Oh, yes, and an English/Scots Laird, though I can't remember his name right now. (Though I suppose as English he scarcely really counts as noble does he?!?) The title was given to me when I inherited it from my great uncle on my fathers side. It was established in 1140 by the Emperor to sustain those members of the Hapsburgs who entered into the secular clergy, thus it is passed down to the next ranking clergyman in the family and then the state of Liechtenstein. I resigned the title in favor of my cousin because I was becoming a US citizen and no longer felt 'called' to fulfill the office. Besides, after 1998 the Diet and Prince had 'relieved' the Baron of land and judicial power and had made it merely an honor on the highest ranking clergyman in the Principality, regardless of family. Several years ago, when I was still titled, I took my great-aunt, Maria Terese, Grafin von Schellenburg, to a Drachenwald Coronet Tourney, in Cleves,(Ivarr was Prince) I think, and she enjoyed herself immensely!! Though she never really 'joined' on her own, she did pay for a membership and all. She never did develop a persona, but retained her mundane title and simply 'dressed up in period clothes' she even made her retainers (secretary, page, ladies maid, and chaffeur) dress up in antique livery!! I think we went to 5 events before she became too ill and died a while back. She remembered those times happily! Johann von Metten/ (of late, Baron Ritter) Marcus Johannes Karl Franz Josef Loidolt, (von Leichtenstien, von Gussen XVII) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:54:29 -0500 From: Kay Loidolt Subject: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #1898-David's Coronet "Laura C. Minnick" wrote: I've seen the coronet! On his head and on Bill's website! The Crown Jewels of Russia have nothing on that thing! Johann von Metten replies: Well, Ive just went to that page and it is a spiff coro!! I wish the 'GussenKron' was that simple!! My old coronet looks like a Victorian/Roccoco jamboree!! I don't have a pic. to put up to show anyone yet and I'm not sure I will!! It has a white/yellow gold greek key design band and two cross pieces, in the same design. At each of the six points it has an 'enraged' goose with ruby eyes, sitting on a pearl egg!!! Under the cross pieces are eight more teardrop pearls and a cap of maintainance of red and purple. I always loathed that thing and seeing it go was one of the greatest joys of my life!! I tried in vain to convince the Prince and Diet to allow me to either renovate it, or at least commision one more to a personal liking, more simple(medieval) and more seeming for a clerical peer. They refused on the grounds of historical value! Oh well, it's not mine anymore!!! May Hans wear it in peace for many happy years!! Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:50:06 -0800 From: "Laura C. Minnick" Subject: Re: SC - Re: sca-cooks V1 #1894-Mundane Nobles Anne-Marie Rousseau wrote: > Baron Master David of Moffet of An Tir, I believe, is some sort of > inherited title (at least his checks say he's David of somethingorother). > Figures, he's a herald....:) > > --Anne-Marie A title and cute, too. Sigh. Still taken, 'Lainie From: "Trish Kvamme" To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org Subject: Re: ANST - SCA PEERS Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:11:00 GMT ladyoftherose at hotmail.com writes: << professional football *grin* what is his real name and team. >> His real name is Glen Parker and he plays currently for the Kansas City Chiefs, prior to that he played number 74 for the Buffalo Bills for many years (more than 5 that I remember). I think he is in his early thirties now :). My daughter Tressa is named after his Queen, Tressa Helena Beauramis. Larissa From: "Keith Ewing" To: Subject: ANST - Famous people in the SCA Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:04:04 -0500 Henry Thomas (ET, Legends of the Fall, Valmont) played SCA in Bjornsburg about 10 years ago. He went by the name Tomas and was Iolo's cadet. Not myth or legend. I've fenced with him and drank with him. Don't know of any others for sure, unless Richard Garriott qualifies as famous. Kein Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:43:31 -0500 From: Michael Tucker To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org Subject: Re: ANST - Famous people in the SCA Greetings from Michael Silverhands: Henry Thomas (kitsca as "Tomas") is an actor. Those things Duke Kein named are films. He played the lead role (the little boy Elliott) in the film "E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial" (1982), and has appeared with distinction in many roles since. For more information and some screen shots, see . His official Web site is . Yours, Michael From: "Chiara" To: Subject: Re: ANST - Famous people in the SCA Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:14:54 -0500 Well, there are two that have been missed. But then if you knew them personally like many on this list do it easy to understand. Steve Jackson and Bob Asprin. Steve was a Baron in Bryn Gwlad and one of the originators of the bylaws that SCA Inc started out with. His name and Monica Stephen's are on many a TI. He made national headlines when his place of business was raided by the Secret Service. My husband had to testify at that hearing and his testimony was what won Steve the case. Bob is a famous writer. My favorite book is Tambu, an obscure little known book, it is his personal favorite. He was a Mongol in the SCA, not a very nice one but period none the less. :) Sincerely, Franchesca Havas McKinney, Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:38:49 -0400 From: "Sharon Gordon" Subject: [Sca-cooks] Italian Pottery Laurel wins major modern scientific award To: Italian Pottery Laurel, Mistress Matilda Hanscombe, who also does amazing research in modern life as a University of Louisville neuroscientist, has received a 2004 Presidential Early Career Award for Scientists and Engineers, marking her as one of the country's most-promising researchers in her field. http://php.louisville.edu/news/news.php?news=406 Sharon Edited by Mark S. Harris SCA-notables-msg Page 9 of 9