SCA-in-books-msg - 7/7/09 Mentions of the SCA in books and magazines. NOTE: See also the files: SCA-notables-msg, SCA-authors-msg, SCA-hist1-msg, border-stories-msg, child-stories-msg, SCA-stories1-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ Date: 23 Jan 92 From: Brian Stanley Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network In reference to Vincent's question regarding SCA-inspired books, I bring to your attention The Interior Life by Katherine Blake. Although not predominantly set within the SCA, the august organization is a significant factor. Aleyn fitz Geoffrey Late of the Barony of An Croisaire and now simply lost Date: 29 Jan 92 From: Therion Organization: Penn State University One interesting aspect of the growing fame of the SCA is that you never know where we're going to be mentioned next. For instance, I was recently reading a book called "Muscle - confessions of an unlikely bodybuilder", by Sam Fussell. It's a rather histrionic account of the author's descent into the world of weightlifting and steroid abuse. The following passage is from when the author moved from New York to California in the late 1980's and met some of his new roommates, who were also into bodybuilding. All typos are the author's, not mine [i.e. Ciad for Caid, and the speaker's lisp] >But Bamm Bamm didn't want to talk about football or bodybuilding, he >wanted to talk about war. "They've outwawed it, Sam," he said, shaking >his head in misery. "There are no more wars, no more Koweas or Vietnams. >Thats why we have wifting, and this ..." he said, opening his closet >door. Within I saw a helmet, and the rest of his armor. He had purchased >it from Thornbird Arms in the San Fernando Valley. Once every few >months, he left with Freewyn, a lifter from the nearby Fanatics Gym for >a weekend war regulated by The Society for Creative Anachronism. "I >fight in a wogue spwinter gwoup, under a duke," Bamm Bamm said, with a >touch of defiance. His last war was staged near Scottsdale, Arizona. >Within spitting distance of the I-10 freeway, Bamm Bamm and a few >hundred other knights from Ciad (the Southern California district) >fought Adenvelt (the Arizona district) for their kingdom. Bamm Bamm had >forty "kills" that weekend, and a broken nose. Though the weapons are >made of rattan, the armor is real. When a poleax struck his steel >helmet, the nose guard came down and spliced his nose. But Bamm Bamm >wasn't counting on fighting for Ciad much longer ... [stuff deleted] ... >Knights errant both, we wore our weight-lifting belts over one shoulder >like baldrics, packing our own form of heat in the event of Armageddon. >How much easier it made life, whether the enemy was Adenvelt or my >Adam's apple or meat with more than 15 percent fat .... I just thought that this was amusing enough to share with the rest of you. And in case anyone is really interested (we librarians have to do these things, it's a compunction): >>> isbn 0671701959 Fussell, Samuel Wilson. Muscle, confessions of an unlikely bodybuilder. / Samuel Wilson Fussell. New York, Poseidon Press, c1991. 252 p., ª8ß p. of plates. ill. 24 cm. 1. Fussell, Samuel Wilson. 2. Bodybuilders -- United States -- Biography. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- internet: | Therion Calgate SSS | yes, I lift weights. hzs at psuvm.psu.edu | Mountain Confederation| no, I don't use steroids. GPtR | Shire of Nithgaard | yes, I fight in a wogue mea culpa | Prin. of AEthelmearc | spwinter group. #-] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: habura at vccnw09.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Knightfall Date: 9 Aug 1993 17:39:16 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY As far as I know, the complete list of Mary Monica Pulver/Steffan and Kori books is: Murder at the War/Knight Fall (same book, different title) The Unforgiving Minutes Ashes to Ashes Original Sin The SCA-dependency of the books varies inversely with age :). The oldest, Knight Fall, is almost completely within the context of the SCA; the newest, Original Sin, contains only about a dozen sentences that indicate that some of the characters are Scadian. Nonetheless, I feel that the writing is much better in the later novels, and they're all worth reading. Alison MacDermot Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Knightfall From: schuldy at zariski.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei) Date: 9 Aug 93 12:33:52 EDT Pergrine wrote: The book by Mary Monica Pulver is set at Pennsic, and describes exquisitely the things which make the SCA what it is. (I haven't been to Pennsic, but from this book, people would know about many of our customs and traditions, as well as some neat period practices I hadn't known.) It's getting a little dated, but it's still fun. And great fun to try and guess who is whom! Speaking of whom--there is another book of hers in which a co-worker of this Policeman finds a "Don Quixote" wandering the streets and brings him in for booking: turns out to be... well, what would you think of some person in full armor wandering around town in a daze, talking of knights and kings, etc.? I'll try to get the title. I too have forgotten the title. However, this confused Knight is only a divertissment that lasts a few pages. The balance of the book is straight mystery. WARNING: from what I remember, the teaser on the back cover of KNIGHT FALL was not written by Mary Monica Pulver, and might have been written by a non-SCA person without-a-clue. Read the book: it's excellent for SCA folk new and old, and is a good introduction to the SCA itself. The back cover blurbs never are. (off- topic mini-flame ahead) A tremendous number of books are mis-represented, or overly telegraphed by the marketting hype on the back cover. The cover is a marketting tool, and worth ignoring. I read the first few pages of any book I might be interested in, instead. Tibor -- Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy at math.harvard.edu) From: David Schroeder Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Knightfall Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 01:39:06 -0400 Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Alison MacDermot wrote: > As far as I know, the complete list of Mary Monica Pulver/Steffan and Kori > books is: > > Murder at the War/Knight Fall (same book, different title) > The Unforgiving Minutes > Ashes to Ashes > Original Sin Also, _Show Stopper_, c.1992, now out in paperback from Diamond... Not to forget: _The Novice's Tale, A Sister Frevisse Medieval Mystery_ by Margaret Frazer (Mary Monica Pulver and a co-author whose name escapes me at the moment, sigh...) It's from Jove, in paperback, c.1992, and is the first of a series that's on its way. And of course: _Deer Abbey_, four issues of the Compleat Anachronist that are worth the investment. (Tales of a 15th century nunnery). My best -- enjoy -- Bertram From: salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Life imitates Art imitates Life (was : Pell ) Date: 5 Mar 94 21:20:29 GMT Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208 Heather Garvey writes: > [Possible etymologies for 'pell' deleted] > I've seen the term used in a number of modern fictional references > and I didn't realize that people thought this was an SCA-only term.... Recent observation: Part of the problem with comparing SCA uses to 'modern fictional references' is that you never know what the author is using for sources. Case in point, in Katherine Kurtz's latest Deryni novel _King Javan's Year_, a number of 'medieval traditions' are drawn straight out of the author's experiences with the SCA. For example, she uses 'remove' to mean one course in a banquet and all her knights wear white belts. ;-) Now imagine a new member who reads voraciously (I know it's a long stretch of the imagination, but _try_ to imagine it ;-) ;-) ;-) ) and then attends an SCA event. Seeing two separate sources both limiting white belts to knights they'd probably conclude that that was the way it was in period. - Dagonell SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr Habitat : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony Internet : salley at niktow.cs.canisius.edu USnail-net : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029 From: una at bregeuf.stonemarche.org (Honour Horne-Jaruk) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: We're famous... Summary: definition of us from a glossary of Witchcraft, paganism andOccultism Date: Wed, 25 May 94 08:22:47 EDT Respected friends: A pagan friend of mine just showed me a copy of "Withcraft, Satanism, and Occult crime: Who's who and what's what"- this is `A manual of reference materials for the professional investigator'. In plain english, the book is a series of articles on how to tell the kooks from the crooks. Under the "basic glossary of common terms and symbols" these entries appear. _Anachronism-something that appears to be from a time period other than the one in which it is percieved._ _Society for Creative Anachronism- An historical reconstructionist organization of medieval scholars and speculative fantasy buffs. Founded in Berkeley, California on May 1,1966 by Diana Paxson, the SCA holds medieval reconstructionist events, such as tournaments and feasts, and participates in Renaissance Faires around the country._ I presume the entry is in there because of the repeated canard that SCA means Satanist Church of America, and I really appreciate their trying to correct the falsehood, but is this definition weird or what? Honour/Alizaunde From: blackadd at news.delphi.com (BLACKADDER at DELPHI.COM) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA in Space Books. Date: 6 Aug 1994 21:33:11 -0000 Also consider HUNTER'S WORLD by Fred Saberhagen. This features a huge tournament for world supremacy between people like Thomas the Grabber and Byford of Long Bridges. (Apparently he thinks lists are set in alphabetical order.) An offworld visitor compares it favorably to "the Anachronists playing with their dull swords" on civilized planets. From: wlinden at phantom.com (William Linden) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: ANACHRONIST authors (and authors who include SCA in their works) Date: 4 Sep 1994 14:01:11 GMT David Salley (salley at niktow.canisius.edu) wrote: : _Cloak of Anarchy_, written in 1972. I don't see how the SCA fits in, : according to the story, you're searched for weapons before you can get in. : Actually, that's the story that got Larry Niven into the duel I posted : about earlier. It seems "Ron Cole", a character in the story was based on : some one real who decided to have some fun with it. ;-) ;-) Well, "Ron Cole" is Count Alpin MacGregor (Alpin the Mad). From: caradoc at libre.com (John Groseclose) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: ANACHRONIST authors (and authors who include SCA in their works) Date: 5 Sep 1994 06:42:31 GMT > David Salley (salley at niktow.canisius.edu) wrote: > : _Cloak of Anarchy_, written in 1972. I don't see how the SCA fits in, > : according to the story, you're searched for weapons before you can get in. > : Actually, that's the story that got Larry Niven into the duel I posted > : about earlier. It seems "Ron Cole", a character in the story was based on > : some one real who decided to have some fun with it. ;-) ;-) _Cloak of Anarchy_, "N-Space," Larry Niven, page 226: "We reached the grassy field sometimes used by the Society for Creative Anachronism for their tournaments. They fight on foot with weighted and padded weapons designed to behave like swords, broadaxes, morningstars, etc. The weapons are bugged so that they won't fall into the wrong hands." -- John D. Groseclose From: wlinden at phantom.com (William Linden) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: ANACHRONIST authors (and authors who include SCA in their works) Date: 4 Sep 1994 14:05:22 GMT Julia Bailey (BAILEY at biomed.med.yale.edu) wrote: :: So it seems that either [Heinlein] he attended events or knew LOTS of people who : did :} Bear in mind that in the first years Tournaments and other Society functions were often in sf con programs, in the west anyway...before the "trufans" started getting snotty about "intrusion by those awful Anachronists". (After, all, nearly all of the early cadre was drawn from fandom). And the Epilogue in NUMBER OF THE BEAST is one long con parody. Harlan Ellison reportedly fought in some of these events, and I think the marshal in NUMBER is supposed to be Pournelle (Jerome Robert of McKenna). Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: ah447 at FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Victor W. Wong) Subject: Re: ANACHRONIST authors (and authors who include SCA in their works) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 18:19:28 GMT You're probably not going to think this is on topic, but the latest novel in the QUANTUM LEAP series has Sam "leaping" into a re-enactor. The back- ground info looks very much like SCA or something similar. The passages in which Sam realizes he's just "leaped" into a 15th-century suit of armor just prior to a bout is just plain funny. …ÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕª ∫8 8 8 8 8∫ VINCENT THE CALCULATOR ÃÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕπ mka Victor Wong ∫8 8 8 8 8∫ ah447 at freenet.carleton.ca ∫8 8 8 8 8∫ Member, Compagnie Mercurie »ÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕº -- Copyright (C) 1994 Victor W. Wong. All rights reserved. From: jeffs at math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Niven Date: 8 Sep 1994 14:20:48 -0400 Bertram writes: > Oh, Niven refers to us, obliquely (I think) in one of his > short stories about anarchy happening in a park -- I'm sure "Cloak of Anarchy". The reference is just one line, about the SCA (Niven spells it out) using the park for fighter practice. Jeffs From: jacquetta at aol.com (Jacquetta) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: SCA in Kiddie Lit. Date: 20 Sep 1994 21:10:01 -0400 To the parents of pre-teens out there - my daughter just found a great book. "All's Faire" by Pamela F. Service is a time-travel novel for kids about a 12 year old boy whose parents are in the "Creative Anachronists" and make him go to events and ren faires. He is transported back to the "real" Middle Ages and learns the value of dreams and the imagination. Nice story. **Thinly** veiled SCA. My daughter really liked it. Jacquetta Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: rorice at bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (rosalyn rice) Subject: Re: SCA in Kiddie Lit. Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:56:41 GMT Jacquetta wrote: >To the parents of pre-teens out there - my daughter just found a great >book. "All's Faire" by Pamela F. Service is a time-travel novel for kids If it's the same person (and it probably is), then Pam Service lives in my town. She isn't in the local S.C.A. group, and I have no idea how she heard about us, or got information on us. Most peculiar. Lothar From: "Brett W. McCoy" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA in Kiddie Lit. Date: Wed, 21 Sep 94 12:45:28 -0500 I don't know if this book has been mentioned, as I've come into this thread rather late, but _The Folk of The Air_ by Peter S. Beagle is very obviously about the SCA, known as "The League for Archaic Pleasure" in the novel. They are located in California, and their crown tourneys are exactly the same as SCA crown tourneys. Brett W. McCoy bmccoy at cap.gwu.edu From: crouchet at eden.com (James Crouchet) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Freaking the Mundanes... Date: 3 Jan 1995 20:03:43 GMT Organization: Adhesive Media, Inc. sclark at blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Carroll-Clark) says: > Yes, I did it. I got sucked into the "collectable card game" craze. >The one I chose to buy is the new _Illuminati: New World Order_ game. >Those of you who've played its predecessor, of course, know about the "Society >for Creative Anarchism" card. Well, Steve Jackson has taken this little >in-joke one step further. > The booster deck I got yesterday included the "Freaking the Mundanes" >card. > WE know what he means. > > Fnord. > >Cheers & happy Feast of the Circumcision (yowch!) >Nicolaa/Susan >Canton of Eoforwic >sclark at epas.utoronto.ca Yeah, Steve was our founding baron in Bryn Gwlad (Ansteorra), so he does know the SCA well. He finally resigned in disgust saying SCA politics was too much like the real politics of our period. Good point I think. Savian From: zkessin at ppp3253.wing.net (Zach) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Important Info: Tried and True Ways of Getting Your Parents to Finance your Swordfighting Habit Date: 04 Jan 1995 05:02:41 GMT Organization: Wilder Internet Gateway, Boston, MA In article v081lu33 at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (TRISTAN CLAIR DE LUNE/KEN MONDSCHEIN) writes: Hi there! Like many of you, I'm a starving college student (tm). I also have a rather expensive hobby, that is, stick-jocking. In fact, I'm willing to bet that I've spent $1000+ on armor, rattan, raw materials to make armor, etc. Now, while this keeps me off the streets selling crack, it also results in a negative balance of money, unlike selling crack, which rakes money in. So, I've developed these tried-and-true arguments to get those wellsprings of ca$h, my parents, to help me finance my hobby: My father offered to pay for a Helm. I think I can get elbows and knees out of him too, and make the rest. I didn't event have try to hard to get it. Just say I didn't want ski boots. The fact that I was able to bring him to a few events didn't hurt. BTW on the authors/artists in the SCA I just noticed something. On the Painting "Pendragon" by Jody Lee in the upper rt corner there is a banner i recognised... Or within a Laurel wreath a crown dancity of 3 vert. Guiliam Wodehouse http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/USERS/UGRAD/zkessin/east.html zkessin at cs.brandeis.edu From: alysk at ix.netcom.com (Elise Fleming ) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: SCA in _Life_ Date: 13 Oct 1995 16:17:24 GMT Just opened my November 1995 _Life_ magazine and found three pages of photos and text on this past Pennsic. A Midrealm group is featured in the table of contents section, with the shield clearly visible (a field divided crosswise...top is red with a white fleur-de-lys and bottom is white and black checky). Most of the featured fighters are "blue tape". Part of House Darkyard can be seen on page 28. Pages 28-29 feature three "blue tapes" in close-up of their helms. Page 30 shows 9 photos of various helms including one scout. An Easterner from Ostgardr, Lord Dieterich von Bern, is mentioned by name. The final page, 32, shows a closeup of one of the battles with poles, sword and shield, all scrambled togehter. The final photo shows one pooped fighter (his arms are on his tabard...looks like a circle overlaying an upright sword) who is apparantly resting during the Woods Battle. The focus is solely on the warlike aspect of Pennsic. Sure was a surprise to me as I was paging through! Alys Katharine From: snyary at life.timeinc.COM (Sasha Nyary) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: LIFE magazine article Date: 16 Oct 1995 11:38:40 -0400 Please put this information in your kingdom newsletters and pass it on to your chroniclers. (I believe this will be on our homepage, as well, but it's not up yet.) LIFE homepage: http://www.pathfinder.com/Life/lifehome.html For release: Monday, October 16, 1995 Contact: Alison Hart (212) 522-7576 LIFE CAPTURES THE ACTION AT A MEDIEVAL WAR New York, N.Y., October 16, 1995 -- LIFE's November issue (on newsstands today) features a journey to a spectacular conflict: the annual Pennsic War, where hordes of steel-armored, sword-slinging fighters clash for the sheer fun of it. Sponsored by the worldwide Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA), this summer's war drew 9,000 men, women and children to a tent city in western Pennsylvania. Whether combatants or civilians, LIFE reports, all were in costume and in character -- transformed into counts and courtesans, barons and barbarians, for a week's immersion in what the SCA calls "the Middle Ages as they should have been." LIFE sent veteran photographer Bill Eppridge to capture the action as 3,000 male and female warriors -- trained in medieval martial arts and following strategies borrowed from ancient generals -- fought with chivalry, valor and a king-size dollop of humor. In "LIFE Goes To a Medieval Battle," you'll see what he saw: a flamboyant combination of military exercise, historical pageant, and full-contact sport. ### From: powers at cis.ohio-state.edu (william thomas powers) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA in _Life_ Date: 18 Oct 1995 23:35:54 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science >I thought the pictorial and article was one of the most positive I've >read. This good national press is rare. >Tigranes of Bezabde You mean you didn't like the article on the SCA in the June 1980 issue of Soldier of Fortune? ("Middle Ages Bash" by Bob Aldridge") My favorite is still the one in the Smithsonian, June 1981, "They `joust' as if knighthood were in flower today" wilelm, who has both squirreled away in the bookcases------You know you are in the SCA when people comment on your 10 lineal feet of books in your bathroom and you apologize for it being so poorly en-booked--not to mention the neighborhood kids asking if they can research for school reports in your library Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: ah447 at FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Victor W. Wong) Subject: SCA Makes the Globe & Mail Report on Business Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:59:37 GMT In the Oct. 27th Report on Business Magazine, there is a Profile on Small Business on Mr. Bill Fedun, also known as Lord Yusef of South Tower. His photo, in full armor, appears in the one-page article and also on the Table of Contents page. The article is a profile of the South Tower Armory (annual sales $145,000) based near Ottawa, Ontario (oh, all right, Canton Culdrithig, Barony Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere) and talks briefly about both his SCA and non-SCA (i.e. fetishic) clientele. Boy we seem to be going mainstream, ain't we? …ÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕª ∫8 8 8 8 8∫ VINCENT THE CALCULATOR ÃÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕπ mka Victor Wong ∫8 8 8 8 8∫ ah447 at freenet.carleton.ca ∫8 8 8 8 8∫ Barony of Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere »ÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕÕº -- Copyright (C) 1995 Victor W. Wong. All rights reserved. From: Hashiri at aol.com (3/7/96) To: markh at risc.sps.mot.com Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 00:56:43 -0500 Subject: SCA in books Greetings! I've just been perusing the section of the Web on SCA in books, magazines, etc. I don't know if you can or want to add this, but I thought I'd mention it. Escape Velocity, by Christopher Stasheff, mentions the SCA towards the end. While he doesn't actually say 'SCA', he mentions the 'Society' and what he describes certainly sounds like the SCA to me. It's very interesting, because the Scadians in the book decide to leave the nasty politics of earth and the human race behind - they buy a colony ship and leave to start a world based on Society principles in a galaxy far, far away. This book begins a series about the world which they colonize and is very entertaining to read. A good mix of sci-fi and fantasy. Christiana Ivarrsdottir, Barony of Bjornsborg, Ansteorra From: room237 at wabash.iac.net (Room 237) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: SCA Press:Swing 5-96 Date: 19 May 1996 20:41:20 GMT Organization: Internet Access Cincinnati 513-887-8877 For all interested in collecting/reading any press on the SCA, the May 1996 Issue of the magazine "Swing" has a 1 page article with photos. From: Endel at tarleton.edu Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:13:00 -0400 Subject: FYI I thought people might find the following quotation of interest. I have no idea if the author has any connection with the SCA or not. This is from The Ambivalent Magician, by Simon Hawke (Warner Books, 1996). Hawke may be the American equivalent of Terry Pratchett. "That's why people join the SCA and read fantasy novels, because the real world sucks." Laird Alan MacRonan MacCalum From: "lubarsky" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:40:18 GMT "Achbar ibn Ali" wrote in message news:ul5jc0pi2if1pgk8q7476coq2oh7aa366r at 4ax.com... > We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A > question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I > need more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any > works of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I > would like to do a Panel on this subject. > > Achbar In Randall Garrett's "The Steel of Raithscar" Ricardo Carrillo mentions (to himself) that he was trained in the sword by Master Paul Edwin Zimmer. Ariel by Steven R. Boyett has a strong SCA connection, with some scadians coming out on top of society after technology has been replaced by magic. Rick Cook's Wiz Zumwalt recruited a bunch of computer people for a programming job in another universe at an SCA event. I do wonder about Barbara Hambly. The description of guards training at the Keep of Dare seemed painfully realistic. Somewhere I do remember a nasty backslid colony world called "Sca", but I can't place the story. Avrahm From: "Highlander" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:11:27 -0600 John Ringo's "There Will Be Dragons" has very distinct SCA overtones. It does not specifically mention the SCA by name. However, it does mentions "recreationists" prominently. Donnchadh mac Ceadach From: Steve Mesnick Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:32:52 -0400 Achbar ibn Ali wrote: > We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A > question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I > need more information. SCADIAN SF/FANTASY AUTHORS: * Diana Paxson (Diana Listmaker): the First Tournament was in her back yard. * Poul Anderson (Sir Bela of Eastmarche) * Katherine Kurtz (Bevin Fraser of Stirling): once President of the SCA. * Robert Asprin (Yang the Nauseating): founder of the Great Dark Horde * Jerry Pournelle (Jerome of McKenna) * Lester del Rey (Lester of Rive Rouge): one of the first Eastrealm Laurels * Esther Freisner (can't recall her SCA name) * Marian Zimmer Bradley (Elfrida of Greenwalls): who brought the SCA to the East coast. * Debra Doyle (Malkin Grey) * Greer Ilene Gilman (Eugenie de Bruges) * Joe Schifino (Feral von Halstern) SCA IN SF: * Christopher Stasheff's "Warlock" series * Spider Robinson (one of the Callahan novels, if I recall correctly) * Peter Beagle's "The Folk of the Air" (thinly disguised SCA) * Mary Monica Pulver's "Murder at the War" takes place at Pennsic (pretty clearly Pennsic 11) * Robert Heinlein ("Job, a Comedy of Justice", IIRC) * Robert Asprin: "Tambu", if you can find it, is a roman a clef about the founding of the Dark Horde, set among interstellar trade routes. Great story! Find an old Hordesman to identify the real people behind the characters. * The dedication of Gordon Dickson's "The Dragon and the George" is "Thys boke is for Bela of Eastmarche, who hath, in his own time, knowne a dragon or two." See above. --- Steffan ap Kennydd Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: djheydt at kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 04:16:58 GMT Charlene Charette wrote: >Wasn't the SCA mentioned in Sharyn McCrumb's "Bimbos of the Death Sun"? No, it's mentioned in her _Highland Laddie Gone._ A sheriff who plays ACW on weekends has to leave his battle to go investigate a murder among some Highland Games enthusiasts whose idea of what it is to be Scottish is a bit idealized. At the end, the sheriff mentions that the site has to be cleaned up in a hurry (now that the murderer's been found and people can leave) because the SCA is using it next weekend, and he and the Highland Gamer he's talking to agree that "those people are crazy." The description makes it clear that the Confederate Colonel and the Maid of the Cat are at least as crazy as the SCAdians. Dorothy J. Heydt Albany, California djheydt at kithrup.com From: John Groseclose Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:06:17 -0700 Steve Mesnick wrote: > SCA IN SF: > * Christopher Stasheff's "Warlock" series > * Spider Robinson (one of the Callahan novels, if I recall correctly) > * Peter Beagle's "The Folk of the Air" (thinly disguised SCA) > * Mary Monica Pulver's "Murder at the War" takes place at Pennsic > (pretty clearly Pennsic 11) > * Robert Heinlein ("Job, a Comedy of Justice", IIRC) > * Robert Asprin: "Tambu", if you can find it, is a roman a clef > about the founding of the Dark Horde, set among interstellar trade > routes. Great story! Find an old Hordesman to identify the real people > behind the characters. > * The dedication of Gordon Dickson's "The Dragon and the George" > is "Thys boke is for Bela of Eastmarche, who hath, in his own > time, knowne a dragon or two." See above. > > --- Steffan ap Kennydd Larry Niven's "Cloak of Anarchy" specifically mentions the SCA as meeting in the Free Park so they could fight. From: Chris Zakes Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:48:42 GMT On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:32:52 -0400, an orbital mind-control laser caused Steve Mesnick to write: (snip) >* Robert Heinlein ("Job, a Comedy of Justice", IIRC) No, "The Number of the Beast". The SCA is having a live-weapons jousting tournament with 32nd-century medical technology available to make sure that the fighters don't stay dead. One I'm surprised nobody's mentioned is Mercedes Lackey. I don't think she's a member, but she mentions the "Medieval Society" in several of her books. There's also L. Neil Smith's "Tom Paine Maru", which has a couple of chapters set on a planet called "Skah"--a rather unflattering picture of the SCA. -Tivar Moondragon Ansteorra Considering how many wars have to do with population pressure and limited resources, "make love not war" may be a self-defeating concept. From: MDH Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:26:49 -0400 Add to the list two of my former apprentices (who were both elevated to the Order of the Laurel): Tom Deitz (known in the SCA as Dylan of Abeneirin, etc.) His book *The Gryphon King* specifically mentions the SCA and the opportunity to appear as one of the characters in the book was auctioned off at a Barony of Bryn Madoc fundraiser. A bibliography of Tom's work can be found at risse.tierranet.com/deitz/deitz.html. CS Friedman (known in the SCA as Tatiana Alexovna Marakovskaya) Not much SCA content in her books, but plenty of vampires and vampirelike creatures. She's got a new book coming out this month. Her website is located at www.merentha.org/forest.asp Margala of Dovedale (O.L.) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: djheydt at kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:02:08 GMT John Husvar wrote: >SCA received some mention in a novel named "Hunters of the Red Moon," >IIRC. (Read it a lonnng time ago.) > >Was that one of MZB's early works? MZB and Paul Edwin Zimmer, who was her brother. He was Master Edwin Bersark. Dorothy J. Heydt Albany, California djheydt at kithrup.com From: Gretchen Beck Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:19:21 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA There is a book called "Demon Blues" by a lady named Esther Friesner which includes quite a bit both flattering and unflattering about the SCA. Its take on Jaelle of Armida is priceless! Don't know whether she's an SCA member, but she ought to be. toodles, margaret --On Friday, June 11, 2004 12:48 PM -0700 Rob wrote: >> works of fiction mentioning the SCA > > > Neil Stephenson's Cryptonomicon. (not that I recall it being > particularly flattering) From: Steve Mesnick Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:03:59 -0400 Gretchen Beck wrote: > There is a book called "Demon Blues" by a lady named Esther Friesner > which includes quite a bit both flattering and unflattering about the > SCA. Its take on Jaelle of Armida is priceless! Don't know whether she's > an SCA member, but she ought to be. Indeed she is, or was last I heard. I can't recall her SCA name, but, heck, she may well be someone I've even *met* %^). She's in the barony Beyond the Mountain or in Dragonship Haven (both CT), and I'm in the Bridge (RI). Steffan ap Kennydd Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: djheydt at kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:12:13 GMT Cynthia Virtue wrote: >_Folk of the Air_ has a social group in the background which is what the >SCA might have been like if it had gone a bit differently. The SCA is >mentioned at the end of _Number of the Beast_. Peter Beagle came to a very early event, before we had decided how we were doing things, and got some ideas. Later on he kept away from us because his book was developing nicely and he didn't want what we were actually doing to interfere with his ideas of what his characters were doing. Heinlein was on the SCA mailing list for the first several years, simply because Karen Anderson knew his address and thought it would be neat if he would join. But he never did. There are, by now, a great many authors (SF and otherwise) who mention the SCA without ever having been part of it; it's become a minor part of the American scene. Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt Mists/Mists/West Albany, California PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at kithrup.com From: Heather Rose Jones Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:26:50 GMT Kent wrote: > Knight Fall (was Murder at the War) is written by an SCA member about > Pennsic War. > > The SCA is mentioned as the basis of the society in the Warlock book by > Stashef (sp). > > there are many famous authors amoung our founding members, including Ann > MaCCAffrey (sp), Diana Paxton, Robert Asprin and others. Also Marion Zimmer Bradley. There are also a fair number of much more obscure authors who are or have been in the SCA at some point. A lot will depend on what your cutoffs are for both "author" and "SCA member". Tangwystyl (one of the very obscure ones) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:14:35 -0500 From: Kent Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature oh and in David Weber's Honor Harrington serios a major plot point in one book is based an Honor's grandfather being an SCA member and having taght her to use ancient weapons. Aelfraed From: shalandara at aol.com (Shalandara) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Date: 12 Jun 2004 11:42:13 GMT Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Rosemary Edgehill wrote the fantasy "The Sword of Maiden's Tears", "the Cup of Morning Shadows", and "The Cloak of Night and Daggers". One of the characters, Holly, is a member of the SCA. There is a battle in upstate NY between otherworldy creatures and Scadians and US goverment types. There is also an amusing scene when the US govt types (i.e. Men in Black) descend upon a Sci-Fi con trying to find someone. S.M. Stirling is another author. His "Island in the Sea of Time" books only have a passing mention to "historical recreation groups" in that one of the minor characters is a blacksmith who crafts custom swords. However, his new book (coming out this fall) has more than a nod to the SCA. It is set in Oregon, is basically post-apocalyptic (tied to his Island books in a strange way) and features several characters int he SCA. One, Norman Arminger, is a bad guy who uses his position in the SCA to try to sieze control. Others, like Chuck, are good guys. There is also a major character who is modeled on Heather Alexander, the singer. To see the sample chapers go to: smstirling.com Elizabeth of Hadley Hall Inc Canton of Sudentor, Barony of Stierbach, Kingdom of Atlantia Lozengy Or and Vert a Chief Sable From: "Richard Macdonald" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:31:34 GMT "Cynthia Virtue" wrote in message news:_6KcnQiGJdQgL1TdRWPC-w at speakeasy.net... > _Folk of the Air_ has a social group in the background which is what the > SCA might have been like if it had gone a bit differently. The SCA is > mentioned at the end of _Number of the Beast_. > > I know several authors who are in the SCA, but as far as I know, their > works don't mention the SCA. The late Gordon R. Dickson dedicated the "Dragon and the George" as: "Thys Boke Ys for Bela of Eastmarch, Who Hath in Hyi Own Tyme Known a Dragon or Two. -- Don Iain of Rannoch -- Richard A Macdonald, CPA/EA Dedicated student of Fr Luca Paccioli, Master Juggler. Gib mir schokolade und niemand wird verletzt!! Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: djheydt at kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:12:05 GMT wrote: > Katherine Blake pseud. Dorothy Heydt (Mistress Dorothea of >Caer-Myrddin, West, "The Interior Life". And you thought no one would >bust your cover!) No, I thought nobody was going to notice. Since we're at it, _A Point of Honor_ under my own name also mentions the SCA. > I remember meeting Lester and Evelyn del Rey (who called themselves >Lester the Oppressor and Rachel the Oppressed at one of my first SCA >events. His official SCA name is Lester of Rive Rouge.) No, Lester the Oppressor and Rachel the Oppressed were L. Sprague and Catherine deCamp, now both gone. Evelyn was Lester del Rey's first wife; after she died he married Judy-Lynn Benjamin. They're all gone too, but none of the del Reys were SCA so far as I know. Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt Mists/Mists/West Albany, California PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at kithrup.com From: Andrew Tye Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:28:35 -0700 Ivar here, Another author who was in the SCA is Mildred Downey Broxon. SKA Dierdre Muldomhnaigh, she was Baroness of Madrone and is a member of the Orders of the Laurel and the Pelican. She also penned a good number of the An Tir Rebellion songs. I believe she also wrote one book under the nomme de plume, Sigurd Skallaspillr, (i.e. Sigurd the Plagerist). It is dedicated to Bela, Ulfheddin, and Reginlief. Another author who included some thinly veiled SCA characters and themes in some of her works is Julian May. In her first book of the Pliocene Exiles series, _The Many Coloured Land_, there are several characters who resemble certain personages of a certain era in An Tir history. Ivar Hakonarson From: pdruss at aol.com (P D RUSS) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Date: 16 Jun 2004 22:18:11 GMT Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature >Larry Niven's "Cloak of Anarchy" specifically mentions the SCA as >meeting in the Free Park so they could fight. The SCA is also mentioned in the book "Fallen Angel" by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle and Michael Flynn. The main jest of the book are 2 astronauts who are standed on earth during a time of anti-technology movement and are helped to safely by members of an underground science fiction convention and some SCA members. Tamara From: quester at infionline.net (Harold Groot) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:02:09 GMT On 16 Jun 2004 22:18:11 GMT, pdruss at aol.com (P D RUSS) wrote: >>Larry Niven's "Cloak of Anarchy" specifically mentions the SCA as >>meeting in the Free Park so they could fight. > >The SCA is also mentioned in the book "Fallen Angel" by Larry Niven, Jerry >Pournelle and Michael Flynn. The main jest of the book are 2 astronauts who are >standed on earth during a time of anti-technology movement and are helped to >safely by members of an underground science fiction convention and some SCA >members. >Tamara If memory serves, the authors auctioned off some "you get to appear in this book" opportunities at a fundraiser, so this is a bit of a special case. They made the choice beforehand to set up the SF "underground" and probably chose or invented the key figures themselves, but accepted several real people in supporting roles through the auctions. From: "Michael of Lost" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:31:21 -0400 "Achbar ibn Ali" wrote in message news:ul5jc0pi2if1pgk8q7476coq2oh7aa366r at 4ax.com... > We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A > question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I > need more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any > works of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I > would like to do a Panel on this subject. > > Achbar The SCA was mentioned in Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon as one of the things the hacker character did. I can't remember his name at the moment... randy waterhouse? No... It was a waterhouse, but I forget which. Michael of Lost From: David Cameron Staples Subject: Re: SCA Authors and Literature Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Organization: The University of Melbourne Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:39:06 GMT In Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:31:21 -0400, "Michael of Lost" in hoc locus scripsit: > "Achbar ibn Ali" wrote >> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A >> question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I need >> more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any works >> of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I would >> like to do a Panel on this subject. >> >> Achbar > > The SCA was mentioned in Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon as one of the > things the hacker character did. I can't remember his name at the > moment... randy waterhouse? No... It was a waterhouse, but I forget > which. Yes, it was Randall (Randy) Waterhouse. The SCA was mentioned as one of a list of things he was involved in before he 'grew up', in the same context as AD&D and Hanging Around In Comic Shops Not Getting Enough Sunlight. The SCA just gets a short mention, then we're back to hardcore hacking. -- David Cameron Staples | staples AT cs DOT mu DOT oz DOT au Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:43:37 -0500 From: Stefan li Rous Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Mini Pages Article To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org Selene commented: <<< Duke Guillaume is the SCA's corporate media relations officer - it is his job to help produce this kind of thing. >>> Oh! I was wondering why his mundane name sounded familiar, but this finally clued me in. He has written at least two books about life in the SCA. The second, which I liked, is: ====== "Here Comes the Reign, Sir Guillaume! : Another collection of warped, wicked and wild stories about medieval history and life in (and around) the SCA." Farrell, Scott ISBN: 0-595-34686-3 iUniverse, Inc. 2005 Book Description From jester to king, Guillaume sees the Current Middle Ages from every angle. In his second collection of humorous stories and insightful reflections, Guillaume looks at the lighter side of castle building, jousting on ESPN, learning Arthurian mythology (with the help of tequila), and making topiary animals out of duct tape. Plus, just to prove that no subject is beyond the scope of his irreverent sense of humor, he also shares the laughter and chaos that took place "behind the scenes" during two reigns as King of Caid. Whether by fate or "an implausible disruption of the natural balance of the universe," Guillaume's readers are in for some royal laughs, and some touching moments, as the SCA's funniest knight wins the throne and seeks shelter from the reign in a deluge of hilarious stories, including:
  • Spitting Distance from Chivalry
  • Christmas Crazies: Forgotten Medieval Holiday Folklore
  • Of Arms and the Knight I Sing
  • To Find the SCA, Just Turn Right at Spiderman
  • Fangs for the Memories: Medieval Halloween Monsters
  • Reigny Days and Mondays
    • ======= Someday I will need to hunt down his first volume. Stefan -------- THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas StefanliRous at austin.rr.com Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:05:31 -0700 (PDT) From: avrealtor at prodigy.net Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Mini Pages Article To: Cooks within the SCA You can buy his works from the following site: http://www.sirguillaume.com/gatehouse.html For a long time our Kingdom Newsletter, The Crown Prints, had a feature with his writing...very very funny. He is also known as Caid Man here (along with his lovely Dutchess Crescent Girl) You just had to be there! -Muiriath Edited by Mark S. Harris SCA-in-books-msg Page 22 of 22