SCA-hist2-msg - 8/20/94
਀ഊMessages on the history of the SCA from 3/93 until 8/94.
਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: SCA-hist1-msg, SCA-hist3-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, vanity-plates-msg, placenames-msg, Hst-SCA-Fence-art, you-know-msg.
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਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ
਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ
਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous
਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************
਀ഊ"History is a moving target that changes as fresh details are discovered, as errors are corrected, as popular attitudes shift.  Historians carve the sculpture that is Truth not out of granite, but out of wet clay."
਀ഊ-   From the preface to "The Life of Muad'Dib" in the Dune series.
਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 倀䈀　㘀　㤀㠀 愀琀 甀愀昀猀礀猀戀⸀甀愀爀欀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀倀愀甀氀 䈀礀攀爀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䘀椀最栀琀椀渀最 䠀愀洀猀琀攀爀猀ഊDate: 12 Mar 1993 05:06:46 -0500
਀ഊThe Calontir song of fighting hamsters is written for me. (large grin and 
਀猀眀攀氀氀椀渀最 漀昀 戀爀攀愀猀琀℀⤀ഊ
਀䈀愀挀欀 愀琀 瀀攀渀猀椀挀 ㄀㈀Ⰰ 漀爀 眀愀猀 椀琀 ㄀㌀㼀 愀渀礀眀愀礀Ⰰ 䤀渀 琀栀漀猀攀 搀愀礀猀 䤀 昀漀甀最栀琀 眀椀琀栀 愀 搀甀挀欀 ഊtaped hamster on my helm. (plastic, sword and shield, brown.) That was the year I introed the Calon shield wall. I was the center scutum, anchoring the whole line. All my secondarys were females. All through the different assaults they would hit my hamster with their pommels. hamster would squeak, they would giggle, I would yell/whine 'girls! Please!' and the foe sore confused.
਀ഊlater in the war a great sword blew the poor hamster off my helm. We recovered 
਀栀椀洀 愀渀搀 最漀琀 栀椀洀 搀爀甀渀欀⸀ 䄀昀琀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 昀漀爀 愀 昀攀眀 礀攀愀爀猀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀氀漀渀 愀爀洀礀 眀漀爀攀ഊhamsters on or in their helms. I still have my original hamster somewhere.
਀ഊEnough. If you want to hear more E-mail me while I'm at a real editor.
਀ഊPavel (still in combat with the dual demons NDIS and ODI!)
਀䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: cozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu ()
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Heraldic Titles
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㔀 䴀愀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㜀㨀　㈀㨀㔀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of California, Berkeley
਀ഊTim at f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim) writes:
਀㸀 䤀✀瘀攀 眀漀渀搀攀爀攀搀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 ⴀⴀ 䤀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 攀瘀攀渀 洀漀爀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀 ∀挀栀爀漀渀椀挀氀攀爀∀ 戀攀椀渀最 愀ഊ> Great Officer of State; ....
਀ഊOnce upon a time it wasn't.  In the days when Hal and I were Chroniclers
਀昀漀爀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀愀猀 愀 䰀攀猀猀攀爀 伀昀昀椀挀攀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 匀攀渀攀猀挀栀愀氀⸀  䄀渀搀 愀 最漀漀搀ഊthing too, because it meant that Hal and I had the Seneschal, Sir William
਀琀栀攀 䰀甀挀欀礀Ⰰ 爀甀渀渀椀渀最 椀渀琀攀爀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 甀猀 愀渀搀 䨀漀渀 搀攀 䌀氀攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 匀琀攀眀愀爀搀ഊfrom Hell, who lived just up the hill from us.  But that's another story.
਀ഊOn the other hand, in those days Lesser Officers didn't swear fealty, and
਀䰀愀甀爀攀氀猀 愀渀搀 倀攀氀椀挀愀渀猀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 猀眀攀愀爀 昀攀愀氀琀礀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 䠀愀氀 愀渀搀 䤀 渀攀瘀攀爀 栀愀搀 愀ഊchance to do so until we had dropped out (during the years when the kids
਀眀攀爀攀 琀漀漀 爀愀洀戀甀渀挀琀椀漀甀猀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 琀漀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀猀⤀ 愀渀搀 搀爀漀瀀瀀攀搀 戀愀挀欀 椀渀 愀最愀椀渀 愀渀搀ഊthe rules had changed meanwhile.  So you win some and you lose some....
਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
਀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀圀攀猀琀ऀऀऀऀ唀䌀 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊArgent, a cross forme'e sable		cozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀漀稀稀氀愀戀 愀琀 最愀爀渀攀琀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 伀⸀倀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀㼀ഊDate: 15 Mar 1993 17:34:46 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀猀挀氀愀爀欀 愀琀 攀瀀愀猀⸀甀琀漀爀漀渀琀漀⸀䌀䄀 ⠀匀甀猀愀渀 䌀氀愀爀欀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>	Trivial question:  is "O.P." an accepted abbreviation for "Order
਀㸀ऀ漀昀 琀栀攀 倀攀氀椀挀愀渀∀㼀 ഊ
਀夀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀夀漀甀 猀攀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀攀愀渀猀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 琀漀 洀攀㨀ഊ>	namely, it is the accepted abbreviation for the Order of Preachers
਀㸀ऀ⠀漀爀搀漀 瀀爀攀搀椀挀愀琀漀爀椀猀⤀Ⰰ 漀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀 欀渀漀眀渀 愀猀 琀栀攀 䐀漀洀椀渀椀挀愀渀 䘀爀椀愀爀猀⸀ഊ
਀夀漀甀 戀攀琀⸀  圀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 眀栀礀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 伀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 倀攀氀椀挀愀渀 眀愀猀 樀甀猀琀 最攀琀琀椀渀最ഊinto the swing of things, many people who hadn't minded "O.L." got
਀眀漀爀爀椀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 栀漀眀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 洀椀最栀琀 最攀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 ∀伀⸀倀⸀∀ 愀渀搀ഊsuggested Pelicans should be described as "Companions of the Pelican,"
਀愀戀戀爀攀瘀椀愀琀攀搀 ∀䌀⸀倀⸀∀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀爀椀攀搀 琀漀 戀愀挀欀ⴀ愀搀愀瀀琀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 伀爀搀攀爀猀 琀漀 猀愀礀ഊ"Companion" too.
਀ഊ"Companions of the Pelican" sounds to me rather like that Blackfox
਀挀愀爀琀漀漀渀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 渀攀眀 倀攀氀椀挀愀渀 ⠀琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 欀椀渀搀⤀ 椀猀 猀椀琀琀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 搀漀挀欀ഊwith a bunch of pelicans (the bird kind) discussing fish and stuff.
਀ഊBut then, I am a Westie....
਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
਀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀圀攀猀琀ऀऀऀ      唀䌀 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊArgent, a cross forme'e sable		cozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu
਀ഊ
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: ddfr at quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman)
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䌀爀攀愀琀椀瘀攀 䈀愀爀戀愀爀椀猀洀Ⰰ 䌀氀漀瘀攀搀 䘀爀甀椀琀Ⰰ 匀琀攀瀀栀攀渀 愀渀搀 䴀愀琀椀氀搀愀ഊOrganization: University of Chicago
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 㜀 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ 　㐀㨀㈀㈀㨀　㄀ 䜀䴀吀ഊ
਀∀吀栀攀 猀琀漀爀礀 䤀 栀攀愀爀搀 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 夀愀渀最 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 昀攀渀挀椀渀最 戀甀搀搀椀攀猀 眀攀渀琀 琀漀 愀渀ഊSCA event for the first time, bearing more live steal than the rest
਀漀昀 琀栀攀  欀椀渀最搀漀洀 ⠀洀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀Ⰰ 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀⤀ 瀀漀猀猀攀猀猀攀搀 愀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䄀渀礀眀愀礀Ⰰഊthe story is that they were not too kindly received, and formed the
਀䠀漀爀搀攀 愀猀 愀 眀愀礀 漀昀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 眀栀椀氀攀 愀瘀漀椀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 洀漀爀攀ഊstodgy old-guard types."
਀ഊ(David the Fretful)
਀ഊI am not sure what counts as stodgy old-guard types; at the time you
਀愀爀攀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀椀渀最 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 眀愀猀 氀攀猀猀 琀栀愀渀 琀眀漀 礀攀愀爀猀 漀氀搀⸀ 匀漀 昀愀爀 愀猀 䤀ഊcan tell, Yang wanted to participate in the SCA without being in
਀愀氀氀攀最椀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀漀爀洀攀搀 琀栀攀 䠀漀爀搀攀 愀猀 愀 眀愀礀ഊof doing so. I think part of the idea was to provide a symbolic enemy
਀昀漀爀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀Ⰰ 愀猀 愀 眀愀礀 漀昀 挀爀攀愀琀椀渀最 甀猀攀昀甀氀 挀漀洀瀀攀琀椀琀椀漀渀ⴀⴀ∀眀攀 愀爀攀ഊbraver/cleverer/more honorable than you, and if you don't believe it
਀瀀爀漀瘀攀 眀攀 愀爀攀 眀爀漀渀最 戀礀 戀攀椀渀最 戀爀愀瘀攀⼀挀氀攀瘀攀爀⼀栀漀渀漀爀愀戀氀攀⸀∀ 䄀琀 氀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀ഊwas the way I read his purpose at the time, and I cannot see any
਀氀愀琀攀爀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 眀愀猀 眀爀漀渀最⸀ഊ
਀䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀椀琀礀 栀愀搀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 椀琀Ⰰ 椀渀ഊeither direction--which is why I took issue with your previous post.
਀ഊDavid/Cariadoc
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀渀搀爀攀眀琀 愀琀 挀猀搀㐀⸀挀猀搀⸀甀眀洀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䄀渀搀爀攀眀 吀攀爀爀愀渀挀攀 吀爀攀洀戀氀攀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䌀爀攀愀琀椀瘀攀 䈀愀爀戀愀爀椀猀洀Ⰰ 䌀氀漀瘀攀搀 䘀爀甀椀琀Ⰰ 匀琀攀瀀栀攀渀 愀渀搀 䴀愀琀椀氀搀愀ഊDate: 8 Apr 1993 01:40:35 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 圀椀猀挀漀渀猀椀渀 ⴀ 䴀椀氀眀愀甀欀攀攀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀 搀攀愀渀攀 愀琀 戀椀渀愀栀⸀挀挀⸀戀爀愀渀搀攀椀猀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䴀愀琀琀栀攀眀 䐀攀愀渀攀⤀㨀ഊ> formal structure of the SCA. Now, the story I was told was that there was some
਀㸀 昀爀椀挀琀椀漀渀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 夀愀渀最 愀渀搀 栀椀猀 昀爀椀攀渀搀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 眀攀爀攀 爀甀渀渀椀渀最 琀栀椀渀最猀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊ> Midrealm when they joined the SCA. Doubtless this has been exaggerated in the
਀㸀 琀攀氀氀椀渀最⸀ 伀爀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 椀琀 椀猀 攀渀琀椀爀攀氀礀 昀椀挀琀椀挀椀漀甀猀⸀ 䈀甀琀 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 洀攀愀渀 琀漀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 ഊ
਀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 椀琀 漀渀 最漀漀搀 愀甀琀栀漀爀椀琀礀 ⠀䰀愀搀礀 䘀攀礀Ⰰ 䤀 挀愀渀 栀愀爀搀氀礀 瀀爀漀渀漀甀渀挀攀 栀攀爀 昀甀氀氀ഊname, much less spell it, of Zenith Pages School in Caer Anterth Mawr,
਀攀砀ⴀ琀愀爀欀愀栀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䜀爀愀渀搀 伀氀搀 䰀愀搀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䐀愀爀欀 䠀漀爀搀攀⤀ 琀栀愀琀 眀栀攀渀 夀愀渀最 樀漀椀渀攀搀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰഊit was because he and some of his fencing buddies thought they were going to
਀猀栀漀眀 琀栀攀猀攀 匀䌀䄀 昀漀氀欀 ⠀一漀爀琀栀眀漀漀搀猀⤀ 眀栀愀琀 爀攀愀氀 猀眀漀爀搀昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 眀愀猀⸀  䄀猀 椀琀 琀甀爀渀攀搀ഊout, they did really well in the tourney.  However, their "garb" was the
਀猀愀洀攀 挀漀氀漀爀 愀猀 琀栀攀 琀栀攀渀 䈀愀爀漀渀 漀昀 一漀爀琀栀眀漀漀搀✀猀 挀漀氀漀爀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀攀 最漀琀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀ഊmiffed.  I can get better details if I can talk Fey into writing the whole
਀猀琀漀爀礀 搀漀眀渀⸀ഊ
਀䈀愀猀椀挀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 椀昀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀爀礀 爀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 䠀漀爀搀攀 眀愀猀 椀洀瀀爀漀瘀椀猀攀搀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊspot for entertainment value, and slowly but surely took on a life of its
਀漀眀渀⸀ഊ
਀愀猀 愀氀眀愀礀猀Ⰰ 䤀✀洀⸀⸀⸀ഊ			Andries de Hoog
਀ⴀⴀ ഊas always, I'm...	Andy Trembley		andrewt at csd4.csd.uwm.edu
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䬀䜀䄀一䐀䔀䬀 愀琀 洀椀琀瘀洀挀⸀洀椀琀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀䬀愀琀栀爀礀渀 䜀愀渀搀攀欀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 吀甀挀栀甀砀 愀琀 䌀漀漀瀀攀爀猀ഊDate: 11 Apr 1993 16:08:03 -0400
਀ഊI can't make any authoritative statements about who discovered Cooper's Lake as
਀愀 猀椀琀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 挀愀渀  挀椀琀攀  漀渀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 甀猀攀 漀昀 䌀漀漀瀀攀爀✀猀 戀礀 匀䌀䄀 愀渀搀 吀甀挀栀甀砀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 椀琀ഊwas ever used as the site for the Pennsic War.  Back in the reign of Asbjorn
਀愀渀搀 䈀爀攀欀欀愀 ⠀琀栀攀 爀攀椀最渀 椀渀 眀栀椀挀栀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 䤀嘀 漀挀挀甀爀爀攀搀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最✀猀 䌀栀愀洀瀀椀漀渀ഊTourney was held at Cooper's Lake.  My husband drove out there with Asbjorn
਀愀渀搀 栀愀猀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 瘀椀瘀椀搀 洀攀洀漀爀礀 漀昀 焀甀愀氀椀昀礀椀渀最 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 琀甀挀栀甀砀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最ഊa tuchux fighter with a prosthetic leg.  As many people on the Rialto (but not
਀洀礀猀攀氀昀⤀ 挀愀渀 挀椀琀攀 昀爀漀洀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 䤀嘀 眀愀猀 搀攀氀甀最攀搀 戀礀 爀愀椀渀 愀琀ഊsomeplace other than Cooper's Lake.
਀ഊSo, somebody in the Pittsburgh area - be they SCA or Tuchux - discovered
਀䌀漀漀瀀攀爀✀猀 䰀愀欀攀 眀愀猀 愀 渀攀愀琀 猀椀琀攀 琀漀 栀漀氀搀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀  䄀渀搀Ⰰ 瀀爀攀猀甀洀愀戀氀礀Ⰰ 愀琀 猀漀洀攀 氀愀琀攀爀ഊpoint it dawned on someone that it was a good place for the Pennsic War.  I
਀搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 眀栀漀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 昀椀爀猀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 戀漀琀栀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 愀渀搀 吀甀挀栀甀砀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 戀攀昀漀爀攀ഊthe Pennsic War was.
਀ഊCatrin o'r Rhyd For             Kathryn Gandek-Tighe
਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 䌀愀爀漀氀椀渀最椀愀            䈀漀猀琀漀渀 愀爀攀愀ഊEast Kingdom                    kgandek at mit.edu
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀漀稀稀氀愀戀 愀琀 最愀爀渀攀琀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 伀渀氀礀 愀 䬀渀椀最栀琀 挀愀渀 洀愀欀攀 愀 䬀渀椀最栀琀ഊDate: 16 Apr 1993 23:06:29 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀圀䤀䰀䰀䤀匀─䔀䤀嘀䄀堀 愀琀 甀愀氀爀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀䈀爀愀渀搀爀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>		 ...knights of the SCA have a direct lineage from the knight 
਀㸀ऀऀ   琀攀洀瀀氀愀爀猀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 䴀愀猀漀渀椀挀 伀爀搀攀爀猀⸀  䠀攀 猀琀愀琀攀搀 椀琀 眀愀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀ഊ>		   the first knight of the SCA was a knight templar of the 
਀㸀ऀऀ   䴀愀猀漀渀猀⸀ഊ
਀唀栀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 开琀栀椀渀欀开 椀琀 眀愀猀 䴀愀猀漀渀猀⸀  匀椀攀最昀爀椀攀搀 瘀漀渀 䠀漀昀氀椀挀栀猀欀攀椀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀ഊThewlis) and Fulk de Wyvern (Ken deMaiffe) had been knighted--whether I
਀猀栀漀甀氀搀 猀甀爀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀琀栀 焀甀漀琀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀 栀漀渀攀猀琀氀礀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀ⴀⴀ戀礀 猀漀洀攀戀漀搀礀ഊthey met in Europe.  When they got back to the States, they knighted
਀⠀猀愀洀攀 搀椀猀挀氀愀椀洀攀爀⤀ 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 昀爀椀攀渀搀猀Ⰰ 攀⸀最⸀Ⰰ 䨀漀渀 搀攀䌀氀攀猀 ⠀䐀漀渀愀氀搀ഊStudebaker).  At the first tourney in Diana's back yard, Ardral Argo
਀瘀攀爀䬀愀攀礀猀挀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䈀爀愀搀氀攀礀⤀ 昀漀甀最栀琀 眀攀氀氀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 欀渀椀最栀琀攀搀 栀椀洀ഊon the spot.  Then at Twelfth Night, year Two (was it Two?  I think
਀猀漀⸀⸀⸀⤀ 匀椀攀最昀爀椀攀搀 欀渀椀最栀琀攀搀 眀栀漀攀瘀攀爀 眀愀猀 䬀椀渀最 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 ⠀圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 琀栀攀ഊSilent?) and he knighted everybody else (including Fulk and Siegfried
਀愀渀搀 䨀漀渀⤀Ⰰ ∀戀漀漀琀猀琀爀愀瀀瀀椀渀最 琀栀攀 伀爀搀攀爀Ⰰ∀ 愀猀 匀椀攀最昀爀椀攀搀 氀愀琀攀爀 瀀甀琀 椀琀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀 琀栀愀琀 ∀漀渀氀礀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀 挀愀渀 洀愀欀攀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀∀ 搀愀琀攀猀 戀愀挀欀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀ഊthat far.
਀ഊI have a very old book of West Kingdom history at home; I'll look some
਀漀昀 琀栀椀猀 猀琀甀昀昀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 瀀漀猀琀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀猀 愀渀搀 搀愀琀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀䈀甀琀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 琀栀椀猀 最甀礀 椀渀 䔀甀爀漀瀀攀 眀愀猀 愀 琀攀洀瀀氀愀爀Ⰰ 愀 䴀愀猀漀渀Ⰰ 愀 ∀爀攀愀氀∀ 欀渀椀最栀琀Ⰰഊa fantasy knight, or just a figment of somebody's imagination, I haven't
਀愀 挀氀甀攀⸀  䴀愀礀戀攀 猀漀洀攀搀愀礀 䤀✀氀氀 爀甀渀 椀渀琀漀 匀椀攀最昀爀椀攀搀 愀最愀椀渀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀漀ഊask him.
਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
਀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀圀攀猀琀ऀऀऀ唀䌀 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊArgent, a cross forme'e sable		cozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀漀稀稀氀愀戀 愀琀 最愀爀渀攀琀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 伀渀氀礀 愀 䬀渀椀最栀琀 挀愀渀 洀愀欀攀 愀 䬀渀椀最栀琀ഊDate: 19 Apr 1993 02:31:17 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀倀攀最愀猀甀猀 愀琀 愀愀愀⸀甀漀爀攀最漀渀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䰀愀甀爀椀攀䔀圀䈀爀愀渀搀琀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> cozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu wrote:
਀㸀㸀 ഊ>> WILLIS%EIVAX at ualr.EDU (Brandr) writes:
਀㸀㸀 ഊ>> >		 ...knights of the SCA have a direct lineage from the knight 
਀㸀㸀 㸀ऀऀ   琀攀洀瀀氀愀爀猀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 䴀愀猀漀渀椀挀 伀爀搀攀爀猀⸀  ⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ>> 
਀㸀㸀 唀栀Ⰰ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 开琀栀椀渀欀开 椀琀 眀愀猀 䴀愀猀漀渀猀⸀  ⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ>> I have a very old book of West Kingdom history at home; I'll look some
਀㸀㸀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 猀琀甀昀昀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 瀀漀猀琀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀猀 愀渀搀 搀愀琀攀猀⸀ഊ>
਀㸀䌀漀甀氀搀 猀漀洀攀 漀渀攀 椀渀 䄀渀 吀椀爀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 吀栀爀攀攀 䴀漀甀渀琀椀愀渀猀 愀猀欀 匀椀爀 䨀愀洀椀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊ>Oakenshield who was knighted in Jan 6 as 2 [1968] about the truth of the
਀㸀洀愀琀琀攀爀㼀ഊ
਀伀栀Ⰰ 椀猀 匀椀爀 䨀愀洀椀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀 ⠀漀爀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀 愀最愀椀渀⤀㼀  䠀漀眀 渀椀挀攀⸀  夀攀猀Ⰰ 栀攀ഊwas one of the seven knights from Twelfth Night, AS 2.  I have my book
਀栀攀爀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀椀砀 眀攀爀攀 䈀攀氀愀 漀昀 䔀愀猀琀洀愀爀挀栀Ⰰ 䘀甀氀欀 搀攀 圀礀瘀攀爀渀Ⰰ 䬀愀爀氀 瘀漀洀ഊAcht, Kerry the Rock, Siegfried von Ho"flichskeit, and Steven of the
਀䄀猀栀攀渀氀愀渀搀猀⸀  䔀搀眀椀渀 䈀攀爀猀愀爀欀 愀渀搀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 漀昀 䴀漀渀琀 刀攀愀氀 眀攀爀攀 洀愀搀攀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀猀ⴀഊof-Arms, and Alfonso de Castile and Beverly Hodghead Masters of the
਀䰀愀甀爀攀氀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 焀甀椀琀攀 愀 渀椀最栀琀⸀  䤀 栀攀氀瀀攀搀 眀爀椀琀攀 琀栀攀 挀攀爀攀洀漀渀椀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最ഊthe Oath of Fealty (borrowed mostly from Tolkien) which is still used in 
਀琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 搀愀礀⸀ഊ
਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 漀昀 䌀愀攀爀ⴀ䴀礀爀搀搀椀渀ऀऀ䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊMists/Mists/West			UC Berkeley
਀䄀爀最攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀 挀爀漀猀猀 昀漀爀洀攀✀攀 猀愀戀氀攀ऀऀ挀漀稀稀氀愀戀 愀琀 最愀爀渀攀琀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: David Schroeder <ds4p+ at andrew.cmu.edu>
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: SCA Geography
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㌀　 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㄀㨀㔀㘀㨀㐀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
਀ഊGood Bjalfi and readers --
਀ഊMy favorite SCA geographical puzzler is:
਀ഊ  Q: What was the first kingdom in the SCA?
਀  䄀㨀 吀栀攀 愀渀猀眀攀爀Ⰰ 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀椀渀最氀礀Ⰰ 椀猀 ∀吀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀∀ഊ
਀     吀栀攀 圀攀猀琀Ⰰ 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 椀猀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 攀瘀椀搀攀渀琀氀礀ഊ     referred to itself as "The Society" or "The Mistlands"
਀     愀渀搀 漀渀氀礀 戀攀挀愀洀攀 ∀吀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀∀ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀渀ഊ     East Kingdom for contrast...  At least that's what I
਀     栀攀愀爀搀 昀爀漀洀 匀攀椀最昀爀椀攀搀 瘀漀渀 䠀漀昀氀椀挀栀琀欀攀椀琀⸀ഊ
਀  䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 洀椀最栀琀 愀猀欀 眀栀礀Ⰰ 最攀漀最爀愀瀀栀椀挀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀✀猀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ  newsletter was called "The Pale" ?  It seems the "original"
਀  䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 猀琀爀攀琀挀栀攀搀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 搀漀眀渀 琀漀 一攀眀 伀爀氀攀愀渀猀 愀渀搀ഊ  therefore the Midrealm formed a pale on the vaguely shieldlike
਀  猀栀愀瀀攀 漀昀 一漀爀琀栀 䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀⸀ഊ
਀  䠀漀眀 洀愀渀礀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 戀漀爀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 䜀爀攀愀琀 䰀愀欀攀猀㼀ഊ   2:  East and Middle
਀ഊ  Where to the largest number of kingdoms intersect?
਀   䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀✀猀 愀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀⸀⸀⸀ഊ   Do the East, Middle, Atlantia, and Meridies touch anywhere?  No.
਀   吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 开氀漀琀猀开 漀昀 琀栀爀攀攀ⴀ欀椀渀最搀漀洀 椀渀琀攀爀猀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ   What about Outlands, Atenveldt, Caid, and the West...?
਀ഊ  Perhaps a better question would be:
਀ഊ   Q: Which kingdom has the largest number of bordering kingdoms?
਀ഊ   A: The Middle borders the East, An Tir, Calontir, Meridies, & Outlands
਀ഊalso
਀ഊ   Q: What are the meanings of the non-obvious kingdom names?
਀   䄀㨀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀   ⴀⴀ ∀漀渀攀 猀琀愀爀⼀氀漀渀攀 猀琀愀爀 ⠀猀漀爀琀 漀昀⤀∀ഊ      An Tir      -- "the land" 
਀      䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀    ⴀⴀ ∀栀攀愀爀琀氀愀渀搀猀∀ഊ      Meridies    -- "south"
਀      吀爀椀洀愀爀椀猀    ⴀⴀ ∀琀栀爀攀攀 猀攀愀猀∀  ⠀䜀甀氀昀 漀昀 䴀攀砀椀挀漀Ⰰ 䌀愀爀椀戀戀攀愀渀Ⰰ 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀挀⤀ഊ      Drachenwald -- "dragon wood"
਀      䌀愀椀搀        ⴀⴀ  愀挀爀漀渀礀洀 昀漀爀 䌀愀氀愀昀椀愀Ⰰ 䄀渀最攀氀猀Ⰰ 䤀猀氀攀猀Ⰰ ☀ 䐀爀攀椀戀甀爀最攀渀ഊ                      their first 4 baronies...  also Arabic? for fortress
਀ഊ      Oertha      -- "north"
਀      䔀愀氀搀漀爀洀攀爀攀  ⴀⴀ ∀漀氀搀 氀愀欀攀猀∀ഊ      AEthelmearc -- "noble border"
਀ഊEnjoy  -- Bertram
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀挀栀愀渀挀攀 愀琀 渀礀砀⸀挀猀⸀搀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䌀栀愀渀挀攀⤀ഊSubject: Re: SCA Geography
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䐀攀渀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 䐀攀瀀琀⸀ 漀昀 䴀愀琀栀 ☀ 䌀漀洀瀀⸀ 匀挀椀⸀ഊDate: Fri, 30 Apr 93 20:10:41 GMT
਀ഊKvedjur fra Mikjal till Bjalfi!
਀ഊTry this one:  What is the name of the only SCA group ever located behind
਀琀栀攀 䤀爀漀渀 䌀甀爀琀愀椀渀 ⠀漀爀 椀渀 愀 匀漀瘀椀攀琀ⴀ搀漀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀 愀爀攀愀⤀㼀ഊ
਀䄀㨀 吀栀攀 匀栀椀爀攀 漀昀 倀攀爀椀氀漀甀猀 䨀漀甀爀渀攀礀 ⠀䈀攀爀氀椀渀Ⰰ 䜀攀爀洀愀渀礀⤀⸀  䤀琀✀猀 ㄀㄀　 洀椀氀攀猀ഊfrom Berlin to the old intra-German border.  (New groups forming in
਀刀甀猀猀椀愀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀漀甀渀琀 ⴀ 琀栀攀 眀愀氀氀 挀愀洀攀 搀漀眀渀 椀渀 ✀㠀㤀⸀⤀ഊ
਀䴀椀欀樀愀氀 䄀渀渀愀爀戀樀漀爀渀ഊFormer Perilous Journey Pursuivant
਀ⴀⴀഊMichael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
਀圀漀爀欀㨀 洀挀㌀　㜀愀─瘀椀欀椀渀最 愀琀 猀眀最愀琀攀㈀⸀猀戀挀⸀挀漀洀                        漀昀 匀琀⸀ 嘀椀搀椀挀漀渀∀ഊPlay: ab899 at freenet.hsc.colorado.edu
਀      洀挀栀愀渀挀攀 愀琀 渀礀砀⸀挀猀⸀搀甀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: james at nucleus.cuc.ab.CA (James Prescott)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Earl Edward Ean Anderson
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㄀ 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ 　㘀㨀㈀㈀㨀㔀㘀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: Nucleus BBS - Calgary, AB CANADA + 1 403 531-9353
਀ⴀഊJust a small correction to Berengaria's post.
਀ⴀഊEarl Edward Ean Anderson took the arrow through the right eye slot at
਀琀栀攀 ∀䌀氀愀猀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 吀攀琀漀渀猀∀⼀∀䌀栀漀挀漀氀愀琀攀 䌀栀椀瀀 䌀漀漀欀椀攀 圀愀爀∀⼀∀匀愀氀洀漀渀 圀愀爀∀ഊin Salmon Idaho (June 1982) between An Tir and Atenveldt. The arrow
਀眀愀猀 愀渀 漀爀搀椀渀愀爀礀 圀攀猀琀⼀䄀渀 吀椀爀 眀愀爀 戀氀甀渀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 ⨀瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀⨀ 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀攀ഊmesh, which had been purchased in Salmon at the last minute from a
਀栀愀爀搀眀愀爀攀 猀琀漀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀甀爀渀攀搀 漀甀琀 琀漀 戀攀 洀甀挀栀 洀甀挀栀 眀攀愀欀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 椀琀ഊappeared to casual inspection. End of casual inspections of mesh.
਀䔀搀眀愀爀搀 眀愀猀 甀渀栀甀爀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 猀栀愀欀攀渀Ⰰ 戀礀 琀栀攀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀⸀ഊ-
਀䨀愀洀攀猀 倀爀攀猀挀漀琀琀 ⠀樀愀洀攀猀 愀琀 渀甀挀氀攀甀猀⸀挀甀挀⸀愀戀⸀挀愀⤀Ⰰ ⠀㐀　㌀⤀ ㈀㠀㈀ⴀ　㔀㐀㄀ഊThorvald Grimsson, OP, OL, OGGS, Baron of Montengarde, Yeoman
਀刀漀礀愀氀 䄀爀挀栀攀爀 昀漀爀 䌀爀漀眀渀 倀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 䄀瘀愀挀愀氀Ⰰ 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀 吀椀爀ഊ... and in Iceland 'tis the year of the White Christ 973 ...
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀挀栀愀渀挀攀 愀琀 渀礀砀⸀挀猀⸀搀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䌀栀愀渀挀攀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Skraeling wives?, Persona and honesty, Norse in America
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䐀攀渀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 䐀攀瀀琀⸀ 漀昀 䴀愀琀栀 ☀ 䌀漀洀瀀⸀ 匀挀椀⸀ഊDate: Mon, 17 May 93 18:16:56 GMT
਀ഊHossein Ali Qomi writes:
਀ഊ>I would truly like to understand why people are generally willing to
਀㸀挀栀愀爀愀挀琀攀爀椀稀攀 猀氀椀瀀猀栀漀搀 漀爀 椀渀琀攀氀氀攀挀甀琀愀氀氀礀 搀椀猀栀漀渀攀猀琀 甀猀攀 漀昀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀ഊ>to justify persona practices as "a disagreement over the rules" when
਀㸀琀栀攀礀 搀漀渀✀琀Ⰰ 戀礀 愀渀搀 氀愀爀最攀Ⰰ 琀爀攀愀琀 昀愀氀猀攀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 漀昀 瀀攀攀爀愀最攀 愀猀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀ഊ>kind of disagreement.
਀ഊAh, this is becoming a pet peeve of mine.  It has to do with the
਀甀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀 挀栀漀椀挀攀 漀昀 愀 渀愀洀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ 漀渀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 䤀✀洀 猀甀爀攀ഊMs. Bradley regrets every time the argument is used.
਀ഊWe're the Society for _Creative_ Anachronism.
਀ഊI can't begin to recall how many times the name has been used in an
਀愀爀最甀洀攀渀琀 琀漀 樀甀猀琀椀昀礀 猀漀洀攀 最爀漀猀猀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 椀渀愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀⸀  䄀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 挀愀渀 戀攀ഊjustified, just call it a "creative anachronism" (I've even seen this
਀甀猀攀搀 椀渀 䄀☀匀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀⤀⸀ഊ
਀䘀漀氀欀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 挀愀洀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 愀 瀀愀爀欀 爀愀渀最攀爀 渀攀攀搀攀搀 愀 最爀漀甀瀀 渀愀洀攀ഊto reserve the site for one of the first tourneys.  Nobody had ever
਀琀栀漀甀最栀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀欀 爀愀渀最攀爀 眀愀椀琀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊother end of the phone, Marion Zimmer Bradley came up with "Society
਀昀漀爀 䌀爀攀愀琀椀瘀攀 䄀渀愀挀栀爀漀渀椀猀洀∀ 漀昀昀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 栀攀爀 栀攀愀搀 甀渀搀攀爀 瀀爀攀猀猀甀爀攀ഊ(remember, this was Berkely in '66-'67).  To the utter despair of
਀洀愀渀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀Ⰰ ✀氀漀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 氀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀 猀琀甀挀欀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀攀猀瀀椀琀攀ഊthe best intentions of the founders of the SCA, it's crippled us ever
਀猀椀渀挀攀⸀ഊ
਀䴀椀欀樀愀氀 䄀渀渀愀爀戀樀漀爀渀ഊ--
਀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䄀⸀ 䌀栀愀渀挀攀          匀琀⸀ 䰀漀甀椀猀Ⰰ 䴀椀猀猀漀甀爀椀Ⰰ 唀匀䄀    ∀䄀琀 瀀氀愀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀猀ഊWork: mc307a%viking at swgate2.sbc.com                        of St. Vidicon"
਀倀氀愀礀㨀 愀戀㠀㤀㤀 愀琀 昀爀攀攀渀攀琀⸀栀猀挀⸀挀漀氀漀爀愀搀漀⸀攀搀甀ഊ      mchance at nyx.cs.du.edu
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 椀挀欀氀椀渀挀欀 愀琀 甀渀搀攀爀最爀愀搀⸀洀愀琀栀⸀甀眀愀琀攀爀氀漀漀⸀挀愀 ⠀䤀愀渀 ∀刀栀礀猀∀ 䬀氀椀渀挀欀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Harold,Belts,Peers, Squir
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 圀愀琀攀爀氀漀漀ഊDate: Tue, 18 May 1993 21:31:22 GMT
਀ഊre: Poobah/Foobah:
਀ഊWell, the story *I* heard, from a local of great experience (Though not, of 
਀挀漀甀爀猀攀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 愀猀 䠀椀猀 䜀爀愀挀攀✀猀⤀ 椀猀 琀栀愀琀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀攀椀最渀 漀昀 䬀椀渀最 䴀攀爀漀眀愀氀搀Ⰰ 栀攀ഊwas presented with a gift of belly-dancers.  His response was "Hubba hubba!"
਀琀漀 眀栀椀挀栀 栀椀猀 䠀攀爀愀氀搀 爀攀瀀氀椀攀搀 ∀一漀Ⰰ 夀漀甀爀 䴀愀樀攀猀琀礀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀ഊcorrect term is Hoobah Hoobah!"... since then the "official cheer" of the
਀䴀椀搀搀氀攀 椀猀 ∀䠀漀漀戀愀栀℀∀ഊ
਀䐀椀氀攀猀琀愀椀爀 昀椀搀 搀礀 栀礀渀琀Ⰰ 愀挀 渀椀 爀甀猀椀愀 搀搀椀洀 爀栀愀最漀琀℀ഊRhys ap Bledri
਀昀爀漀洀 䔀愀氀搀漀爀洀攀爀攀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 眀攀 猀愀礀 ∀圀愀猀猀愀椀氀℀∀ഊ(icklinck at cayley.uwaterloo.ca)
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀挀搀愀渀椀攀氀 愀琀 挀漀渀瘀攀砀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀吀椀洀 䴀挀䐀愀渀椀攀氀⤀ഊSubject: Hoobah
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䘀爀椀Ⰰ ㈀㄀ 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㈀　㨀㐀㤀㨀㔀㄀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
਀ഊA note from "Collected Brief History of the Middle Kingdom: Volumes I &
਀䤀䤀㨀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀 琀漀 一愀琀栀愀渀∀Ⰰ 伀爀氀愀渀搀漀 䄀洀戀爀漀猀椀甀猀 ⠀䈀愀爀漀渀 䐀愀攀洀漀渀 搀攀 䘀漀氀漀 漀昀ഊWu:rm Wald, F. L. Watkins), Second Edition (A.S. 23 / 1989), p. 42.
਀䤀琀✀猀 昀爀漀洀 ⠀愀猀 漀昀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀⤀ഊ    Folump Enterprises
਀    㠀　㔀 䔀愀猀琀 䜀爀攀攀渀 ⌀㄀ഊ    Urbana, IL 61801
਀ഊ"At the first [Canton of] Three Hills [Kalamazoo, Mich.] event, held
਀琀栀愀琀 伀挀琀漀戀攀爀 嬀㄀㤀㜀㄀崀Ⰰ 䘀椀渀渀瘀愀爀爀 眀愀猀 欀渀椀最栀琀攀搀⸀  䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 愀氀猀漀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀ഊevent, [Queen] Morna danced again ... Morgan ... and Morna had been
਀攀愀爀氀礀 洀椀猀猀椀漀渀愀爀椀攀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 攀砀漀琀椀挀 搀愀渀挀攀爀猀 最甀椀氀搀㬀 愀渀搀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 䐀甀挀栀攀猀猀ഊDiana, it spread to Treegirtsea [Chicago, Ill.].  Finnvar notes in his
਀栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 䤀爀椀攀氀 琀栀愀琀 ✀䤀琀 眀愀猀 椀渀 猀愀爀搀漀渀椀挀 愀瀀瀀爀漀戀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊguild's better efforts that Iriel himself coined the phrase "Hoo-bah,"
਀眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀猀 猀椀渀挀攀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 琀栀攀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀愀氀 瀀氀愀甀搀椀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀⸀✀∀ഊ[footnote: Steve Muhlberger, "The History of King Iriel of Brannokh."]
਀ഊThis account leaves unclear whether it was at this exact event that
਀∀栀漀漀戀愀栀∀ 眀愀猀 挀漀椀渀攀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀✀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀⸀  䐀愀攀洀漀渀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 琀栀攀 最甀椀氀搀ഊelsewhere (in re May 1971 Crown Tourney.  "It is said that Cariadoc, who
਀愀昀昀攀挀琀攀搀 愀 䴀漀漀爀椀猀栀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀Ⰰ 最漀琀 漀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 昀氀漀漀爀 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀⸀∀ 瀀⸀ ㌀㐀⤀⸀  䤀昀ഊ"hoobah" wasn't coined at the October event, the story could just as
਀攀愀猀椀氀礀 戀攀攀渀 瀀甀琀 攀氀猀攀眀栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀倀愀最攀 㐀㔀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 吀爀攀攀最椀爀琀猀攀愀 吀眀攀氀昀琀栀 一椀最栀琀Ⰰ 愀 戀椀琀 氀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 ∀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊmade a war arrow and gave it to Iriel, suggesting that Iriel return it
਀琀漀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀 琀漀 琀愀欀攀 眀椀琀栀 栀椀洀 ✀愀猀 愀 琀漀欀攀渀 漀昀 眀愀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀⸀ഊ[When the Eastern King, Rakkurai, took the arrow,] 'he broke it, saying
਀∀匀漀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀椀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀∀ 漀爀 眀漀爀搀猀 琀漀 琀栀愀琀ഊeffect,'[footnote: Letter from David Friedman, 2 July 1983] setting in
਀洀漀琀椀漀渀 琀栀攀 眀栀攀攀氀猀 漀昀 眀愀爀⸀∀ഊ
਀䤀琀✀猀 渀漀琀 挀氀攀愀爀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀 眀栀攀渀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀 洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀攀ഊwas obviously visiting very near the time of origination of "hoobah".
਀倀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 椀琀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 椀渀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 甀猀攀 礀攀琀⸀ഊ-- 
਀䐀愀渀椀攀氀 漀昀 䰀椀渀挀漀氀渀Ⰰ 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀琀攀瀀瀀攀猀Ⰰ 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀ഊ(Tim McDaniel, Convex Computer Corporation)
਀䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀㨀 洀挀搀愀渀椀攀氀 愀琀 挀漀渀瘀攀砀⸀挀漀洀Ⰰ 洀挀搀愀渀椀攀氀 愀琀 挀礀戀攀爀猀瀀愀挀攀⸀漀爀最ഊ
਀ഊFrom: David Schroeder <ds4p+ at andrew.cmu.edu>
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Early Pennsic Sizes
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㔀 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ 　㤀㨀㈀㌀㨀㐀　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊOrganization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
਀ഊGreetings good gentles --
਀ഊI've been enjoying (well, sort of) this year's discussion of period
਀琀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀  䤀✀洀 挀漀渀昀椀搀攀渀琀 琀栀攀 䌀漀漀瀀攀爀猀 挀愀渀 栀愀渀搀氀攀ഊ_quite_ a few more campers (it would be easy enough to move _all_
਀琀栀攀 挀愀爀猀 琀漀 愀 爀攀洀漀琀攀 猀椀琀攀 愀渀搀 爀甀渀 琀栀攀 猀栀甀琀琀氀攀 戀甀猀猀攀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰഊfreeing up all the parking space for camping).  
਀ഊI'm also curious, for those people _with_ period tents, if they've
਀洀愀渀愀最攀搀 琀漀 昀椀最甀爀攀 漀甀琀 猀漀洀攀 眀愀礀 漀昀 ∀戀甀最 瀀爀漀漀昀椀渀最∀ 琀栀攀洀⸀  䴀礀 氀愀搀礀 椀猀ഊa "reluctant camper" at best and the only way I can make her "happy"
਀愀琀 琀栀攀 渀攀挀攀猀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 椀猀 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀椀搀攀 挀漀洀昀漀爀琀 愀渀搀ഊa relatively "bug free" sleeping environment.  We have a double room
਀䔀甀爀攀欀愀 洀漀搀攀爀渀 琀攀渀琀 琀栀愀琀 搀漀攀猀 愀 洀愀爀瘀攀氀漀甀猀 樀漀戀 漀昀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 漀甀琀 椀渀猀攀挀琀猀ഊand keeping in warmth.  How do folks with period tents manage?
਀ഊAs for War sizes, I did a reasonable amount of research for my TI
਀愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 琀攀渀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀猀 琀眀攀氀瘀攀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀 愀渀搀 眀漀甀氀搀 漀昀昀攀爀ഊthe following rough attendance figures for them.  Jessa and Dennis
਀栀愀瘀攀 戀漀琀栀 戀攀攀渀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 洀愀琀琀攀爀⸀  䄀氀氀 昀椀最甀爀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀砀椀洀愀琀攀⸀ഊ
਀   䤀     䤀䤀       䤀䤀䤀    䤀嘀      嘀      嘀䤀   嘀䤀䤀   嘀䤀䤀䤀   䤀堀    堀ഊ  100  200-250  300-350  250  300-350  600+  1000  1300  1700  2000  
਀ഊThe recent event held at Coopers Lake, AEthelmearc War Practice, had
਀愀 昀攀眀 栀甀渀搀爀攀搀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀渀搀 栀愀搀 洀甀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 昀攀攀氀 愀猀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 䌀漀漀瀀攀爀猀ഊLake Pennsics (though there were more and better organized merchants!).
਀ഊOh, tangentally, interested parties are directed to articles in the 
਀挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 椀猀猀甀攀 漀昀 匀挀椀攀渀琀椀昀椀挀 䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀渀 漀渀 搀攀攀瀀 眀攀氀氀 搀爀椀氀氀椀渀最 椀渀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀ഊChina.  They were drilling for salt brine in Sichuan, I believe, and
਀甀猀攀搀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀漀氀愀琀椀氀攀 最愀猀猀攀猀 挀漀洀椀渀最 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀攀氀氀猀 琀漀 栀攀氀瀀 ഊfeed the fires evaporating the salt.  ("Does that make propane
਀戀甀爀渀攀爀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀㼀∀ 栀攀 愀猀欀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀 猀洀椀氀攀⸀⤀ 䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 眀椀爀攀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀 栀愀瘀攀ഊbeen running an article about finds from a Spanish ship, the San Diego, 
਀猀甀渀欀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䐀甀琀挀栀 渀攀愀爀 琀栀攀 倀栀椀氀氀椀瀀椀渀攀猀⸀  䄀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 琀栀攀 猀栀椀瀀 挀愀爀爀椀攀搀ഊMing Dynasty pottery from China as well as Japanese warriors for
਀瀀爀漀琀攀挀琀椀漀渀 ⴀⴀ 琀栀椀猀 洀愀礀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 戀攀愀爀椀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀渀ⴀ最漀椀渀最 伀爀椀攀渀琀愀氀ഊpersona debate.
਀ഊTake care, good gentles -- may your ink never run!
਀⬀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ⬀ഊBertram of Bearington                                      Dave Schroeder
਀䐀攀戀愀琀愀戀氀攀 䰀愀渀搀猀⼀䄀䔀琀栀攀氀洀攀愀爀挀⼀䔀愀猀琀               䌀愀爀渀攀最椀攀 䴀攀氀氀漀渀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀ഊINTERNET: ds4p at andrew.cmu.edu                         412/731-3230 (Home)
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 欀攀爀愀搀眀挀 愀琀 爀愀栀甀氀⸀渀攀琀 ⠀䬀攀瘀椀渀 䐀愀瘀椀猀 䌀漀渀渀攀爀礀⤀ഊSubject: Re: palatine baronies
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 刀椀渀最眀漀爀氀搀 䔀渀最椀渀攀攀爀椀渀最ഊDate: Fri, 28 May 1993 23:35:53 GMT
਀ഊ (Hal Ravn) writes:
਀㸀 愀琀 戀爀愀渀猀氀攀⸀甀挀猀⸀洀甀渀⸀挀愀 ⠀䄀渀搀爀攀眀 䐀爀愀猀欀漀礀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>>    Palatine barony -- no reference; is a non-standard branch organization
਀㸀㸀       漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 愀甀琀栀漀爀椀稀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䈀漀愀爀搀 瀀甀爀猀甀愀渀琀 琀漀 䌀ⴀ嘀⸀䐀⸀㔀 昀漀爀 瘀攀爀礀ഊ>>       isolated groups.
਀㸀㸀ഊ>>V.D.5 allows the BoD to experiment with new kinds of groups.
਀㸀㸀圀栀愀琀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 椀猀 愀 瀀愀氀愀琀椀渀攀 戀愀爀漀渀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀渀礀 椀渀 攀砀椀猀琀攀渀挀攀㼀ഊ>
਀㸀夀攀猀⸀  吀栀攀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䘀愀爀 圀攀猀琀 ⠀圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀⤀Ⰰ 挀漀洀瀀爀椀猀椀渀最 䨀愀瀀愀渀Ⰰഊ>Korea, Guam, and Tinian is a Palatine Barony.  I have heard remarks
਀㸀猀甀最最攀猀琀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 漀渀攀 猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀ഊ>where.
਀ഊSo soon they forget <g>. If you go about halfway(?) to the Far West, you'll
਀攀渀搀 甀瀀 椀渀 琀栀攀 ⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀攀爀渀 匀攀愀猀Ⰰ 伀渀挀攀 愀 圀攀猀琀攀爀渀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 挀栀愀渀最攀搀 愀氀氀椀攀最愀渀挀攀ഊto Caid about 10-12 years back. They've been 'palatinate' since then.
਀ഊOn the other hand, these are the only ones I've heard of. Perhaps all
਀瀀愀氀愀琀椀渀愀琀攀 戀愀爀漀渀椀攀猀 洀甀猀琀 挀漀洀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀Ⰰ 栀愀瘀攀 圀攀猀琀 愀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊnames, and be islands? <g>
਀ഊKeradwc
਀ഊ-- 
਀䬀攀爀愀搀眀挀 愀渀 䌀愀椀                     䄀 䌀愀椀搀愀渀 䴀椀猀琀椀攀 ⠀漀爀 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 愀 䴀椀猀琀礀 䌀愀椀搀愀渀㼀⤀ഊKevin Davis Connery                kconnery at isi.com or  keradwc at rahul.net
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀漀稀稀氀愀戀 愀琀 最愀爀渀攀琀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 伀甀爀 最愀洀攀ഊDate: 4 Jun 1993 19:17:17 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀ ⠀䄀渀最栀愀爀愀搀 愀瀀甀搀 䠀漀猀猀攀椀渀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>
਀㸀䈀攀爀琀爀愀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀Ⰰഊ>>The Society _began_ as a fantasy/romantic _Arthurian_ generic "medieval"
਀㸀㸀爀攀挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀 最爀漀甀瀀 ⴀⴀ 一伀吀 愀猀 愀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 爀攀挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  ഊ>
਀㸀⸀⸀⸀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 洀漀搀攀氀Ⰰ 琀漀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 漀昀 洀礀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀Ⰰഊ>was indeed Arthurian: a distinctively western model.
਀ഊAs one who was there (I wasn't at the first tourney, but I was at the
਀猀攀挀漀渀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀椀爀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀甀洀洀攀爀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀洀 搀甀爀椀渀最 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀ഊsat down occasionally and tried to figure out what it was we were doing),
਀䄀渀最栀愀爀愀搀 椀猀 爀椀最栀琀⸀  圀攀 眀攀爀攀 琀漀 愀 氀愀爀最攀 攀砀琀攀渀琀 洀愀欀椀渀最 椀琀 甀瀀 愀猀 眀攀 眀攀渀琀ഊalong, and considering almost all of us came from SF/F fandom it would
਀戀攀 愀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 椀昀 眀攀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 昀愀渀琀愀猀礀 攀氀攀洀攀渀琀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀  䈀甀琀ഊmainly we were trying to be knights in shining armour, just as we had
਀愀氀氀 爀攀愀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀渀 䴀愀氀氀漀爀礀⸀ഊ
਀㸀䄀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 䤀✀洀 渀漀琀 渀攀愀爀氀礀 愀猀 漀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀 琀漀 䨀愀瀀愀渀攀猀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀猀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 漀戀樀攀挀琀 愀 眀栀漀氀攀 氀漀琀 琀漀 䨀愀瀀愀渀攀猀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀攀 攀椀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 礀漀甀爀ഊtraditional samurai milieu is a feudal one with virtual knights, kings,
਀氀愀搀椀攀猀Ⰰ 猀眀漀爀搀昀椀最栀琀猀Ⰰ 挀愀猀琀氀攀猀⸀  吀栀攀礀 戀氀攀渀搀 椀渀 眀椀琀栀 愀 琀栀椀爀琀攀攀渀琀栀ⴀ挀攀渀琀甀爀礀ഊWestern knight about as well as a seventh-century man-at-arms or an
਀䔀氀椀稀愀戀攀琀栀愀渀 挀漀甀爀琀 昀漀瀀 搀漀㨀 眀攀氀氀 攀渀漀甀最栀 昀漀爀 洀攀Ⰰ 椀昀 渀漀琀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀✀猀ഊa certain suspension of disbelief (another stfnal phrase) you have to
਀瀀攀爀昀漀爀洀Ⰰ 漀爀 最椀瘀攀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 愀渀搀 最漀 漀昀昀 攀最⸀ 眀椀琀栀 䄀爀礀欀✀猀 最爀漀甀瀀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 眀栀漀洀ഊit is 1595 plus or minus 5 years.
਀ഊI find it harder to deal with bunnyfur barbarians of Gor, not so much
਀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀礀 氀漀漀欀 猀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 愀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 猀漀 漀戀瘀椀漀甀猀氀礀 挀漀洀椀渀最ഊfrom different sources.  They haven't been reading Sir Thomas Malory
਀⠀眀栀漀 眀爀漀琀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 渀漀戀氀攀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀 愀渀搀 氀愀搀椀攀猀 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 愀 樀攀爀欀 椀渀 瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀ഊlife), they've been reading John Norman (who writes about sadistic
਀洀攀渀 愀渀搀 洀愀猀漀挀栀椀猀琀椀挀 眀漀洀攀渀 愀渀搀 椀猀 愀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀愀戀氀攀 瀀爀漀昀攀猀猀漀爀 漀昀 瀀栀椀氀漀猀漀瀀栀礀ഊin private life) or watching Conan movies (whose producers have no
਀瘀椀爀琀甀攀猀 愀琀 愀氀氀 猀漀 昀愀爀 愀猀 䤀 挀愀渀 琀攀氀氀⤀⸀ഊ
਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 漀昀 䌀愀攀爀ⴀ䴀礀爀搀搀椀渀ऀऀ䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊMists/Mists/West			UC Berkeley
਀䄀爀最攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀 挀爀漀猀猀 昀漀爀洀攀✀攀 猀愀戀氀攀ऀऀ挀漀稀稀氀愀戀 愀琀 最愀爀渀攀琀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: cozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu ()
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Our game
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㜀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㠀㨀㐀㘀㨀㌀㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of California, Berkeley
਀ഊDavid Schroeder <ds4p+ at andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
਀㸀䄀渀最栀愀爀愀搀 眀爀漀琀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀 琀漀 洀礀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 漀渀 栀攀爀 ∀戀漀挀挀攀爀∀ 瀀漀猀琀㨀ഊ>
਀㸀㸀 吀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 洀漀搀攀氀Ⰰ 琀漀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 漀昀 洀礀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀Ⰰഊ>> was indeed Arthurian: a distinctively western model.
਀㸀ഊ>I would greatly appreciate it if Flieg or one of the other good gentles
਀㸀⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀㼀⤀ 眀栀漀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 焀甀椀琀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 眀漀甀氀搀 挀漀渀昀椀爀洀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 ∀瀀甀爀攀氀礀∀ഊ>Western European from the earliest days. 
਀ഊWell, we weren't purely Western as in, no fantasy.  At the first tourney
਀椀渀 䐀椀愀渀愀✀猀 戀愀挀欀 礀愀爀搀Ⰰ 眀攀 栀愀搀 愀洀漀渀最 漀琀栀攀爀猀 䈀攀渀樀礀 刀漀氀氀猀 ⠀愀攀琀愀琀攀 猀甀漀 愀戀漀甀琀 㤀⤀ഊas a hobbit, Astrid Anderson (later Countess Astrid of Hawk Ridge) as
਀儀甀攀攀渀 䰀甀挀礀 漀昀 一愀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䴀愀爀椀漀渀 娀椀洀洀攀爀 䈀爀愀搀氀攀礀 ⠀氀愀琀攀爀 䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀 䔀氀昀爀椀攀搀愀ഊof Greenwalls) as Don~a Ximena, wife to El Cid.  (You'll notice also that
਀眀攀 栀愀搀渀✀琀 礀攀琀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀 琀栀攀 爀甀氀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 ∀礀漀甀 挀愀渀✀琀 戀攀 堀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀ഊbeen one!").
਀ഊAs early as the second tourney (the first one I attended) there was a lot
਀氀攀猀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀ⴀ瀀愀爀琀礀 愀琀洀漀猀瀀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀漀戀漀搀礀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 愀琀琀攀渀搀椀渀最ഊdressed as their favorite character in fiction.  But among the decorative
਀⠀瀀愀椀渀琀攀搀 挀愀爀搀戀漀愀爀搀⤀ 猀栀椀攀氀搀猀 栀甀渀最 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀爀攀攀猀 愀渀搀 漀琀栀攀爀 瘀攀爀琀椀挀愀氀 猀甀爀昀愀挀攀猀ഊwere several devices out of Tolkien, noticeably the Eye of Sauron.  
਀ഊSo far as I can recall, however, we started out purely Western as in,
਀渀漀 䨀愀瀀愀渀攀猀攀Ⰰ 猀琀椀氀氀 氀攀猀猀 刀漀洀愀渀 氀攀最椀漀渀愀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 一愀琀椀瘀攀 䄀洀攀爀椀挀愀渀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 挀愀瘀愀氀椀攀爀猀⸀ഊI _think_ the first person to come in Japanese garb would've been Duke
਀䠀攀渀爀椀欀 漀昀 䠀愀瘀渀Ⰰ 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 礀攀愀爀 䘀椀瘀攀⸀  䠀攀渀爀椀欀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀攀搀 琀漀 栀漀氀搀 琀栀攀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀ഊthat Japanese ladies were more beautiful, gracious, and admirable than
਀愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 氀愀搀椀攀猀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 攀愀爀琀栀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀椀渀挀攀 栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀甀愀氀氀礀 洀愀爀爀椀攀搀 愀 䨀愀瀀愀渀攀猀攀ⴀഊAmerican lady and made her his Duchess, he undoubtedly holds this opinion
਀猀琀椀氀氀⸀  䠀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 昀攀眀 漀昀 栀椀猀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀Ⰰ 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 眀攀愀爀椀渀最 䨀愀瀀愀渀攀猀攀 最愀爀戀ഊ_sometimes,_ not always, around this time.
਀ഊ>My understanding of things was that we were a _very_ flexible group
਀㸀椀渀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 搀愀礀猀 ⴀⴀ 樀甀猀琀 愀猀 渀漀眀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀渀礀 瀀愀猀猀椀渀最 挀甀氀琀甀爀愀氀 昀愀搀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊ>find itself reflected in the Society. 
਀ഊI think it's already been told on this group how at Beltane we were
਀瘀椀猀琀攀搀 戀礀 漀渀攀 䄀渀搀爀攀眀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀攀稀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀愀洀攀搀 ∀一愀欀攀搀 䜀甀礀∀ 漀昀 唀䌀 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ(formerly of, I should say, because they expelled him).  He showed up
਀椀渀 眀栀愀琀 栀攀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀爀最甀攀搀 眀愀猀 氀攀最椀琀椀洀愀琀攀Ⰰ 瀀爀攀ⴀ㄀㘀　　 最愀爀戀Ⰰ 椀⸀攀⸀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀ഊof Adam.  I don't know if he had a chance to present that argument,
਀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 䄀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀 猀愀椀氀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 栀椀洀 愀渀搀 猀愀椀搀Ⰰ ⴀ∀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀愀爀攀 眀栀愀琀ഊthey let you get away with in Berkeley, this is Colfax, and I have
਀愀戀漀甀琀 琀攀渀 猀攀琀猀 漀昀 瀀愀爀攀渀琀猀 爀攀愀搀礀 琀漀 猀眀攀愀爀 漀甀琀 愀 眀愀爀爀愀渀琀 昀漀爀 礀漀甀爀 愀爀爀攀猀琀ഊfor indecent exposure!"-  He put on a loincloth. 
਀ഊThat's how I saw him Friday evening, wandering along in his loincloth,
਀戀愀爀攀 昀攀攀琀 愀渀搀 猀栀愀瘀攀渀 栀攀愀搀⸀  䈀礀 匀愀琀甀爀搀愀礀 渀漀漀渀 栀攀 栀愀搀 瀀甀琀 漀渀 愀 瀀愀椀爀 漀昀ഊbaggy pants.  By Sunday he had added a bandanna over his head, a little
਀戀漀氀攀爀漀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀愀渀搀愀氀猀⸀  䤀昀 椀琀✀搀 漀渀氀礀 戀攀攀渀 愀 氀漀渀最攀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 眀攀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀ഊhad him fully dressed by the time he went home.
਀ഊVariations between kingdoms and
਀㸀爀攀最椀漀渀猀 漀昀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 漀渀 猀甀挀栀 洀愀琀琀攀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 最爀攀愀琀 ⠀愀猀 琀栀攀礀 爀攀洀愀椀渀℀⤀⸀ഊ
਀吀爀甀攀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 䤀✀瘀攀 攀瘀攀爀 猀攀攀渀 愀 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 挀愀瘀愀氀椀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀✀瘀攀ഊcertainly never seen an Aztec.  (They have one in Caid, I believe.)
਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
਀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀圀攀猀琀ऀऀऀ唀䌀 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊArgent, a cross forme'e sable		cozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀愀洀攀猀 愀琀 渀甀挀氀攀甀猀⸀挀甀挀⸀愀戀⸀䌀䄀 ⠀䨀愀洀攀猀 倀爀攀猀挀漀琀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䄀爀爀漀眀猀 渀攀愀爀 攀礀攀猀 ⠀愀最愀椀渀⤀ഊDate: 22 Jun 1993 14:00:03 -0400
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 一甀挀氀攀甀猀 䤀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀ഊ
਀䄀氀愀渀 䘀氀攀琀挀栀攀爀 猀愀椀搀㨀ഊ>Everyone I've talked to about the incident, including a very good
਀㸀昀爀椀攀渀搀 漀昀 匀椀爀 䤀愀渀✀猀Ⰰ 栀愀猀 猀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 眀愀猀 眀攀愀爀椀渀最 椀渀猀甀昀昀椀挀椀攀渀琀 洀攀猀栀ഊ>over his eyeslot, and the only reason that the marshalls passed him
਀㸀眀愀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 眀栀椀琀攀 戀攀氀琀⸀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀 愀渀礀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀ഊ>stories elsewhere, so I do think that that was an isolated event.
਀ഊSiobhan replied:
਀㸀䄀猀 䤀 爀攀挀愀氀氀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀愀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 䜀爀攀愀琀 䐀攀猀攀爀琀 圀愀爀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 戀攀挀愀洀攀ഊ>Estrella) that just such an event (perhaps even this event) occurred.
਀㸀吀栀攀 愀爀挀栀攀爀 椀渀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 礀漀甀渀最 匀琀攀瀀栀攀渀 ⠀氀愀琀攀爀 琀漀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 匀椀爀ഊ>Stephen and King Stephen) of Bellatrix.  The comment I first
਀㸀漀瘀攀爀栀攀愀爀搀 眀愀猀Ⰰ ∀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 搀愀洀渀℀ 匀琀攀瘀椀攀✀猀 氀攀愀爀渀攀搀 琀漀 猀栀漀漀琀 愀 猀渀愀瀀℀∀ഊ
਀ⴀഊJust a small correction to Alan Fletcher's post, with some additional
਀椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 匀椀漀戀栀愀渀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 猀栀攀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 昀攀攀氀 猀漀 搀漀搀搀攀爀椀渀最⸀ഊ-
਀䔀愀爀氀 匀椀爀 䔀搀眀愀爀搀 䔀愀渀 䄀渀搀攀爀猀漀渀 琀漀漀欀 琀栀攀 愀爀爀漀眀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 攀礀攀 猀氀漀琀ഊat the "Clash of the Tetons"/"Chocolate Chip Cookie War"/"Salmon War"/
਀∀䈀椀琀琀攀爀爀漀漀琀 圀愀爀∀ ⠀礀甀瀀Ⰰ 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 㐀 渀愀洀攀猀⤀ 椀渀 匀愀氀洀漀渀Ⰰ 䤀搀愀栀漀 ⠀䨀甀渀攀 ㄀㤀ⴀ㈀　ഊ1982) between An Tir and Atenveldt. The arrow was an ordinary West/
਀䄀渀 吀椀爀 眀愀爀 戀氀甀渀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 ⨀瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀⨀ 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀攀 洀攀猀栀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀ഊpurchased in Salmon at the last minute from a hardware store (because
਀洀愀渀礀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 栀愀搀 昀漀爀最漀琀琀攀渀 琀漀 戀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 洀攀猀栀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀椀挀栀 琀甀爀渀攀搀ഊout to be much much weaker than it appeared to casual inspection. End
਀漀昀 挀愀猀甀愀氀 椀渀猀瀀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 洀攀猀栀⸀ 䔀搀眀愀爀搀 眀愀猀 甀渀栀甀爀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 猀栀愀欀攀渀Ⰰ 戀礀 琀栀攀ഊexperience.
਀ⴀഊEdward was not yet a knight, by nearly two years (he did not even have
਀栀椀猀 䄀漀䄀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀⤀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀挀攀 漀爀 愀戀猀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 愀 眀栀椀琀攀 戀攀氀琀 栀愀搀ഊnothing to do with it. In fact, the same mesh had been given to well
਀漀瘀攀爀 愀 搀漀稀攀渀 昀漀爀最攀琀昀甀氀 栀攀愀瘀椀攀猀⸀ഊ-
਀䨀愀洀攀猀 倀爀攀猀挀漀琀琀 ⠀樀愀洀攀猀 愀琀 渀甀挀氀攀甀猀⸀挀甀挀⸀愀戀⸀挀愀⤀Ⰰ ⠀㐀　㌀⤀ ㈀㠀㈀ⴀ　㔀㐀㄀ഊThorvald Grimsson, OP, OL, OGGS, Baron of Montengarde, Yeoman
਀刀漀礀愀氀 䄀爀挀栀攀爀 昀漀爀 䌀爀漀眀渀 倀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀椀琀礀 漀昀 䄀瘀愀挀愀氀Ⰰ 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀渀 吀椀爀ഊ... and in Iceland 'tis the year of the White Christ 973 ...
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 昀椀砀椀琀 愀琀 愀猀琀爀漀⸀搀愀猀搀⸀栀漀渀攀礀眀攀氀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: Time to Peerage
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䠀漀渀攀礀眀攀氀氀 䤀渀挀⸀ 䐀䄀匀䐀ഊDate: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 20:47:26 GMT
਀ഊIn article <20n5tb$32n at menudo.uh.edu>, cosc19ut at menudo.uh.edu (Stephen) writes:
਀㸀 匀栀攀 挀愀渀 戀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最ഊ> under the name of Therese Honey (her real name, believe it or not).
਀㸀 䤀昀 礀漀甀 最攀琀 愀 挀栀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 栀攀愀爀 栀攀爀Ⰰ 搀漀 猀漀⸀ 䤀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 椀猀 眀漀渀搀攀爀昀甀氀⸀ഊ
਀夀攀猀 椀琀 椀猀⸀  䤀 氀愀猀琀 栀攀愀爀搀 栀攀愀爀 愀琀 吀䘀夀䌀 愀渀搀 樀甀猀琀 栀愀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 栀攀爀 爀攀挀漀爀搀椀渀最猀⸀ഊ 
਀㸀 䄀猀 琀漀 栀攀爀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀Ⰰ 猀栀攀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 琀栀攀 瀀攀攀爀愀最攀 愀氀漀渀最 眀椀琀栀 洀愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀猀⸀ 匀攀攀洀猀ഊ> Ansteorra didn't have enough peers to be a kingdom and Atenveldt 
਀㸀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 爀椀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀攀礀 挀爀攀愀琀攀搀 氀漀琀猀 漀昀 瀀攀攀爀猀⸀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 ഊ
਀䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀 栀愀搀 愀 欀椀渀最 ⠀吀栀攀漀⤀ 琀栀愀琀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 搀漀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 椀洀瀀爀攀猀猀椀瘀攀⸀ഊAnsteorra well deserved to be it's own kingdom.
਀ഊ> have an OP handy, but I think they made something like 6 or 7 Laurels that
਀㸀 搀愀礀⸀ 匀栀攀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 搀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 椀琀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 愀猀 愀渀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 猀漀洀攀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀渀 氀愀甀爀攀氀猀 挀爀攀愀琀攀搀 愀琀 琀栀愀琀 䌀爀漀眀渀 吀漀甀爀渀攀礀⸀  䤀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀䜀甀渀眀愀氀搀琀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 昀椀砀椀琀 愀琀 愀猀琀爀漀⸀搀愀猀搀⸀栀漀渀攀礀眀攀氀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: Time to Peerage
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䠀漀渀攀礀眀攀氀氀 䤀渀挀⸀ 䐀䄀匀䐀ഊDate: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 13:48:31 GMT
਀ഊIn article <1993Jun29.134726.1 at astro.dasd.honeywell.com>, fixit at astro.dasd.honeywell.com writes:
਀㸀 吀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 猀攀瘀攀渀 氀愀甀爀攀氀猀 挀爀攀愀琀攀搀 愀琀 琀栀愀琀 䌀爀漀眀渀 吀漀甀爀渀攀礀⸀  䤀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀䴀礀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀 洀椀渀搀 猀氀椀瀀猀⸀  䄀昀琀攀爀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 昀甀爀琀栀攀爀 䤀 愀洀 渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀 猀甀爀攀ഊif it was the first crown or not.  Perhaps not.  But Theo did make 7 laurels
਀愀渀搀 ㄀ 瀀攀氀挀愀渀 愀氀氀 椀渀 漀渀攀 昀攀氀氀 猀眀漀漀瀀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 猀琀椀氀氀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 眀攀氀氀 搀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀⸀ഊ
਀䜀甀渀眀愀氀搀琀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀挀栀愀渀挀攀 愀琀 渀礀砀⸀挀猀⸀搀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䌀栀愀渀挀攀⤀ഊSubject: Re: Drachenwald Coronation
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䐀攀渀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 䐀攀瀀琀⸀ 漀昀 䴀愀琀栀 ☀ 䌀漀洀瀀⸀ 匀挀椀⸀ഊDate: Tue, 6 Jul 93 18:12:27 GMT
਀ഊKvedjur fra Mikjal!
਀ഊLindorm describes the first Drachenwald Coronation, saying:
਀ഊ>Duke Siegfried von Hoeflichkeit had brought the crowns that was used for the
਀㸀昀椀爀猀琀 挀漀爀漀渀愀琀椀漀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀渀 䄀⸀匀⸀ 䤀䤀ഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 猀椀渀最甀氀愀爀氀礀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瀀爀椀愀琀攀⸀  䄀 昀攀眀 礀攀愀爀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 䘀椀爀猀琀 吀漀甀爀渀攀礀ⰀഊDuke Siegfried (one of the founders of the SCA) was stationed with the
਀唀⸀匀⸀ 䄀椀爀 䘀漀爀挀攀 椀渀 䈀攀爀氀椀渀Ⰰ 䜀攀爀洀愀渀礀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀漀爀 爀攀挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀 眀漀甀氀搀 最漀ഊ"castling" around Europe with a friend stationed in Bremerhaven (who
਀氀愀琀攀爀 戀攀挀愀洀攀 䘀甀氀欀 搀攀 圀礀瘀攀爀渀⤀⸀  䄀猀 䠀椀猀 䜀爀愀挀攀 琀漀氀搀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀爀礀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀愀猀 漀渀ഊone of these trips that they started thinking, "Gee, wouldn't it be fun
਀琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 唀⸀匀⸀ 琀栀愀琀 搀椀搀 琀栀椀渀最猀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀ഊfestivals they have here in Europe?"
਀ഊEver since I heard that story, I've been of the opinion that, while
਀琀栀攀 戀椀爀琀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 眀愀猀 椀渀 䐀椀愀渀愀 䰀椀猀琀洀愀欀攀爀✀猀 戀愀挀欀 礀愀爀搀Ⰰ 挀漀渀挀攀瀀琀椀漀渀ഊtook place on the U.S. military train, somewhere between Berlin and
਀䈀爀攀洀攀渀⸀ഊ
਀䴀椀欀樀愀氀 䄀渀渀愀爀戀樀漀爀渀ഊ--
਀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䄀⸀ 䌀栀愀渀挀攀          匀琀⸀ 䰀漀甀椀猀Ⰰ 䴀椀猀猀漀甀爀椀Ⰰ 唀匀䄀    ∀䄀琀 瀀氀愀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀猀ഊWork: mc3078 at sw1sta.sbc.com                             of St. Vidicon"
਀倀氀愀礀㨀 愀戀㠀㤀㤀 愀琀 昀爀攀攀渀攀琀⸀栀猀挀⸀挀漀氀漀爀愀搀漀⸀攀搀甀ഊ      mchance at nyx.cs.du.edu
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 栀攀氀洀 愀琀 礀洀椀爀⸀甀挀搀愀瘀椀猀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀匀攀爀椀漀甀猀氀礀 吀眀攀愀欀攀搀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䴀漀琀椀瘀攀 戀攀栀椀渀搀 椀渀挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 匀䌀䄀ഊDate: 14 Jul 1993 03:02:33 -0400
਀ഊI got this from both Diana Listmaker and from Teresa of Rivendell,
਀琀眀漀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀漀甀渀搀椀渀最 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 漀昀 䜀爀攀礀栀愀瘀攀渀⸀  吀栀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 琀栀攀礀 戀漀琀栀攀爀攀搀ഊwith incorporation was to get non-profit group mailing rates and
਀戀甀氀欀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 瀀攀爀洀椀琀猀⸀ഊ
਀吀眀挀猀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: cozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu ()
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Court Baronies
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀　 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㠀㨀㄀㌀㨀　㌀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of California, Berkeley
਀ഊARCHER at utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
਀㸀䤀渀 洀礀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀漀甀爀琀 戀愀爀漀渀礀 愀猀 愀 爀漀礀愀氀 愀琀琀愀戀漀礀 椀猀 爀愀爀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 攀砀椀猀琀猀 ഊ>here.
਀ഊKeep in mind, for what it's worth, that the "royal attaboy" was the origin
਀漀昀 琀栀攀 爀愀渀欀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀琀 戀愀爀漀渀⸀  䬀椀渀最 䨀攀愀渀 搀攀 氀愀 䜀爀愀渀搀✀ 䄀渀猀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀ഊYear IV, wanted to do _something_ nice for his father, who had never
਀戀攀攀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 漀爀 猀椀渀挀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀攀瘀攀爀 愀琀琀攀渀搀攀搀 愀渀礀 攀瘀攀渀琀ഊbut his son's coronation.  So Jean invented "court baron" as a sort of
਀∀䬀椀渀最✀猀 伀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 䜀爀愀挀攀∀⸀ഊ
਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 漀昀 䌀愀攀爀ⴀ䴀礀爀搀搀椀渀ऀऀ䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊMists/Mists/West			UC Berkeley
਀䄀爀最攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀 挀爀漀猀猀 昀漀爀洀攀✀攀 猀愀戀氀攀ऀऀ挀漀稀稀氀愀戀 愀琀 最愀爀渀攀琀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: shick at europa.eng.gtefsd.com (Steve Hick, GTE FSD SE Engineering)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: court baronies
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㘀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㈀　㨀　㠀㨀㌀㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: GTE GSC Federal Systems Division
਀ഊ*> Okay, I give up.  What the heck is the Captaincy-General of Guatemala!?!
਀⨀㸀 ऀऀऀⴀⴀⴀⴀ匀椀洀漀渀ഊ
਀伀爀椀最椀渀愀琀攀搀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀攀椀最渀 漀昀 䜀礀爀琀栀 愀渀搀 䴀攀氀椀猀愀渀搀攀⸀  䄀氀最攀爀渀漀渀 眀愀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 倀攀愀挀攀 䌀漀爀瀀 愀渀搀 戀攀椀渀最 猀攀渀琀 琀漀 ഊGuatemala for his 2 year tenure, and Gyrth and Mel made him their Captain-General.  This was ca AS XIII.
਀ഊStrykar
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 昀椀砀椀琀 愀琀 愀猀琀爀漀⸀搀愀猀搀⸀栀漀渀攀礀眀攀氀氀⸀挀漀洀ഊSubject: Re: Simplification
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䠀漀渀攀礀眀攀氀氀 䤀渀挀⸀ 䐀䄀匀䐀ഊ
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㜀 䨀甀氀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㜀㨀㈀㈀㨀㐀㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊ
਀䐀攀渀渀椀猀 伀✀䌀漀渀渀漀爀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> Third, relax. So what if someone did sue the SCA ? So what if
਀㸀 眀攀 氀漀漀猀攀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 洀漀渀攀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 戀愀渀欀猀㼀 吀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀猀 椀琀✀猀 开瀀攀漀瀀氀攀开Ⰰഊ> not it's bankbooks. We started with no money, we can re-start
਀㸀 昀爀漀洀 稀攀爀漀 洀漀渀攀礀 椀昀 眀攀 栀愀搀 琀漀漀⸀ 䤀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰഊ> since the SCA is bigger and has more people who have $$$ now.
਀㸀 䌀栀爀椀猀琀Ⰰ 眀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀渀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 刀攀愀氀 倀爀漀瀀攀爀琀礀 琀漀 氀漀猀攀 ℀ഊ 
਀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 瀀漀椀渀琀 漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 猀甀攀搀Ⰰ 甀渀猀甀挀挀攀猀猀昀甀氀氀礀Ⰰഊby a disgruntled former member.  Having been one of the named
਀瀀愀爀琀椀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀眀猀甀椀琀Ⰰ 䤀 昀椀渀搀 椀琀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 栀愀爀搀 琀漀 ✀爀攀氀愀砀✀ 愀戀漀甀琀ഊthe situation.  I do have real property and money to lose, and
਀䤀✀洀 搀愀洀渀 最氀愀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 栀愀渀搀氀攀 琀栀攀ഊdispute.
਀ഊYou don't have to wait for this club to fail or fall apart because
਀漀昀 愀搀洀椀渀猀琀爀愀琀椀瘀攀 漀瘀攀爀氀漀愀搀 琀漀 最漀 ✀爀攀ⴀ猀琀愀爀琀✀ 愀 爀攀挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀 最爀漀甀瀀⸀ഊTake the best ideas, leave what you don't like and go for it.
਀䄀甀猀琀爀愀氀椀愀 愀渀搀 一攀眀 娀攀愀氀愀渀搀 眀攀爀攀 攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最攀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 ഊcorporation precisely because of the differences in local laws
਀戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀琀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 琀漀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ
਀䜀甀渀眀愀氀搀琀ഊ
਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䈀攀氀琀猀 愀渀搀 䈀愀氀搀爀椀挀猀ഊFrom: bettina.helms at channel1.com (Bettina Helms)
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 䴀漀渀Ⰰ ㄀㘀 䄀甀最 㤀㌀ 　㄀㨀㐀㐀㨀　　 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊOrganization: Channel 1(R) * 617-864-0100 Info * 617-354-7077 Modem
਀ഊRe the ongoing discussion over the relationship between Knights and
਀䴀愀猀琀攀爀猀ⴀ愀琀ⴀ䄀爀洀猀Ⰰ 栀攀爀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 䤀 栀攀愀爀搀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 琀栀椀渀最㨀ഊ
਀䴀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 渀愀洀攀搀 匀攀愀渀ഊRuadhbaruagh (which means "Redbeard"). He was a very good fighter, and
਀琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 栀椀洀 愀 䬀渀椀最栀琀⸀ 䈀甀琀 匀攀愀渀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 戀攀 愀ഊKnight, he wanted to be something totally unique. So he asked if he
਀挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀 ∀䴀愀猀琀攀爀ⴀ愀琀ⴀ䄀爀洀猀∀ 椀渀猀琀攀愀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 栀甀洀漀爀攀搀 栀椀洀⸀ഊThis might have stayed a local joke, like the "Captain-General of
਀䜀甀愀琀攀洀愀氀愀∀ ⴀ 攀砀挀攀瀀琀 琀栀愀琀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 䘀椀瘀攀⠀℀⤀ 漀渀攀 嘀椀猀猀攀瘀愀氀搀 匀攀氀欀椀爀欀猀猀漀渀Ⰰഊfaced with the same situation, made the same request. Now, with SCA
਀愀眀愀爀搀猀Ⰰ 漀渀挀攀 椀猀 最漀漀搀 猀挀栀琀椀挀欀 ⴀ 琀眀椀挀攀 椀猀 愀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀 琀漀ഊother Kingdoms and caught on there too.
਀ഊVissevald, incidentally, is now a Knight - and there's a story and a
਀栀愀氀昀 戀攀栀椀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 昀愀挀琀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 栀攀✀猀 戀攀攀渀 栀漀瀀椀渀最 昀漀爀 琀眀攀氀瘀攀 礀攀愀爀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊpeople will forget about, so I won't repeat it here).
਀ഊAs far as the East is concerned, the differences between a Knight and a
਀䴀愀猀琀攀爀 愀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 眀攀愀爀猀 愀 戀愀氀搀爀椀挀 愀渀搀 渀漀 挀栀愀椀渀Ⰰ 椀猀 渀漀琀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀搀ഊto swear fealty, and (if on the throne) cannot create another Knight
਀眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 愀猀猀椀猀琀愀渀挀攀 漀昀 愀 䬀渀椀最栀琀⸀ 伀琀栀攀爀眀椀猀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀 搀椀猀琀椀渀挀琀椀漀渀ഊbetween these two branches of the Chivalry. Some of the East's best
਀昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 愀爀攀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀猀ⴀ愀琀ⴀ䄀爀洀猀 ⴀ 椀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 戀漀椀氀 搀漀眀渀 琀漀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 琀栀攀ഊindividual feels that Knighthood is appropriate to his/her persona or
਀渀漀琀⸀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: 0002853615 at mcimail.COM (William Linden)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Belts and Baldrics
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㜀 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ 　　㨀㈀㄀㨀㌀㜀 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊ
਀挀栀愀渀渀攀氀㄀⸀挀漀洀㸀 䬀愀琀樀愀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>Re the ongoing discussion over the relationship between Knights and
਀㸀䴀愀猀琀攀爀猀ⴀ愀琀ⴀ䄀爀洀猀Ⰰ 栀攀爀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 䤀 栀攀愀爀搀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 琀栀椀渀最㨀ഊ
਀㸀䴀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 渀愀洀攀搀 匀攀愀渀ഊ>Ruadhbaruagh (which means "Redbeard"). He was a very good fighter, and
਀ഊ>awards, once is good schtick - twice is a tradition. The idea spread to
਀㸀漀琀栀攀爀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 愀渀搀 挀愀甀最栀琀 漀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 琀漀漀⸀ഊ  Sounds like another "urban legend" growing. "Masters" were around a long time 
਀戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀Ⰰ 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀渀 䔀愀猀琀 ഊKingdom-- the first was the mythical Edwin Berserk. We were told the difference 
਀眀愀猀 猀漀洀攀 瀀攀琀琀椀昀漀最最椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 ✀栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 猀眀攀愀爀 愀氀氀攀最椀愀渀挀攀✀⸀ഊ  Some early official papers have references to '....of the rank of knight or 
਀洀愀猀琀攀爀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀✀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀礀 戀攀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 昀漀爀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀⸀ഊ  In Sean's case, some people made a fuss on the ground that he was a 
਀洀攀爀挀攀渀愀爀礀⸀ഊ    Alfgar (Call me "Baron", bacon-brain!) the Sententious.
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਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: fixit at astro.dasd.honeywell.com
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䈀攀氀琀猀 愀渀搀 䈀愀氀搀爀椀挀猀ഊOrganization: Honeywell Inc. DASD
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㜀 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㄀㠀㨀㈀㄀㨀　㘀 䜀䴀吀ഊ
਀䈀攀琀琀椀渀愀 䠀攀氀洀猀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> Re the ongoing discussion over the relationship between Knights and
਀㸀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀猀ⴀ愀琀ⴀ䄀爀洀猀Ⰰ 栀攀爀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 䤀 栀攀愀爀搀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 琀栀椀渀最㨀ഊ> 
਀㸀 䴀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 渀愀洀攀搀 匀攀愀渀ഊ> Ruadhbaruagh (which means "Redbeard"). He was a very good fighter, and
਀㸀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 栀椀洀 愀 䬀渀椀最栀琀⸀ 䈀甀琀 匀攀愀渀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 戀攀 愀ഊ> Knight, he wanted to be something totally unique. So he asked if he
਀㸀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀 ∀䴀愀猀琀攀爀ⴀ愀琀ⴀ䄀爀洀猀∀ 椀渀猀琀攀愀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 栀甀洀漀爀攀搀 栀椀洀⸀ഊ> This might have stayed a local joke, like the "Captain-General of
਀㸀 䜀甀愀琀攀洀愀氀愀∀ ⴀ 攀砀挀攀瀀琀 琀栀愀琀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 䘀椀瘀攀⠀℀⤀ 漀渀攀 嘀椀猀猀攀瘀愀氀搀 匀攀氀欀椀爀欀猀猀漀渀Ⰰഊ> faced with the same situation, made the same request. Now, with SCA
਀㸀 愀眀愀爀搀猀Ⰰ 漀渀挀攀 椀猀 最漀漀搀 猀挀栀琀椀挀欀 ⴀ 琀眀椀挀攀 椀猀 愀 琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀⸀ 吀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 猀瀀爀攀愀搀 琀漀ഊ> other Kingdoms and caught on there 
਀ഊAn excellent story and the fine makings of folklore.  I like it.  But,
਀䴀愀猀琀攀爀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 琀栀攀 匀栀漀爀琀 眀愀猀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀搀 ⠀䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀⤀ 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䄀⸀匀⸀ 䤀⸀  䠀攀ഊwas considered equal to a knight and at the time living in the West.
਀ഊGunwaldt
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀漀稀稀氀愀戀 愀琀 最愀爀渀攀琀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䈀攀氀琀猀 愀渀搀 䈀愀氀搀爀椀挀猀ഊDate: 17 Aug 1993 19:07:02 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀㰀昀椀砀椀琀 愀琀 愀猀琀爀漀⸀搀愀猀搀⸀栀漀渀攀礀眀攀氀氀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>Master Richard the Short was recognized (I believe) before A.S. I.  He
਀㸀眀愀猀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 攀焀甀愀氀 琀漀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀 愀渀搀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 氀椀瘀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀⸀ഊ
਀䤀渀 昀愀挀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀 漀昀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 漀昀 䄀爀洀猀 眀愀猀 椀渀瘀攀渀琀攀搀 氀愀爀最攀氀礀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀ഊRichard, in preparation for the mass knighting/mastering/laureling
਀愀琀 吀眀攀氀昀琀栀 一椀最栀琀Ⰰ 䄀匀 䤀䤀⸀  刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀渀 愀 猀攀洀椀渀愀爀椀愀渀 愀渀搀 昀攀氀琀 椀琀ഊwould be wrong for him to swear fealty to any earthly power--even in
਀愀 最愀洀攀⸀  吀栀攀渀 䔀搀眀椀渀 䈀愀爀攀猀愀爀欀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 栀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 愀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 琀漀漀ⴀⴀ瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀ഊbecause [in modern terms] it would be more appropriate for his persona,
਀愀渀搀 䘀爀攀搀攀爀椀挀欀 漀昀 䠀漀氀氀愀渀搀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 栀攀 昀攀氀琀 琀栀攀 昀攀愀氀琀礀ഊrelationships and duties were not properly defined.
਀ഊExpertae crede--I helped write the ceremonies...
਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
਀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀圀攀猀琀ऀऀऀ唀䌀 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊArgent, a cross forme'e sable		cozzlab at garnet.berkeley.edu
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਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: steffan at world.std.com (Steven H Mesnick)
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䨀甀猀琀 圀栀愀琀 椀猀 匀䌀䄀㼀ഊOrganization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㈀㐀 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㈀㈀㨀　　㨀㌀㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊ
਀䘀愀爀 䤀猀氀攀猀 眀愀猀 愀渀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 戀愀爀漀渀礀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 椀琀 氀攀昀琀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 ⴀⴀ 愀猀 䤀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀ഊit, due to mis-communication with the Corporation and a lot of basically
਀攀爀Ⰰ 愀栀Ⰰ 搀椀瘀攀爀最攀渀琀 瀀栀椀氀漀猀漀瀀栀椀攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 最爀漀甀瀀 栀愀搀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀氀礀 戀攀攀渀 昀漀甀渀搀攀搀 戀礀ഊSir Patri du Chat Gris, Baron Carolingia, while he was in England working
਀漀渀 栀椀猀 搀漀挀琀漀爀愀氀 搀椀猀猀攀爀琀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ 䘀愀爀 䤀猀氀攀猀 氀攀昀琀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀　ⴀ㄀㈀ 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀ⰀഊI think, not 20+. (I still have -- somewhere -- a friendship favor from
਀琀栀攀 䈀愀爀漀渀攀猀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 昀漀爀 漀渀氀礀 ㄀㘀 礀攀愀爀猀⸀⸀⸀⸀⤀ഊ	Steffan
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 圀攀愀瘀椀渀最ഊDate: 27 Aug 1993 17:25:40 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀䴀愀爀欀 匀挀栀甀氀搀攀渀昀爀攀椀 㰀猀挀栀甀氀搀礀 愀琀 稀愀爀椀猀欀椀⸀栀愀爀瘀愀爀搀⸀攀搀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>
਀㸀䠀䰀 椀猀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 愀戀戀爀攀瘀椀愀琀攀 䰀漀爀搀猀栀椀瀀 漀爀 䰀愀搀礀猀栀椀瀀⸀  吀栀攀 琀椀琀氀攀ഊ>used for those gentles who have a Grant of Arms.  Some kingdoms use
਀㸀琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀戀漀洀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 氀攀瘀攀氀猀 漀昀 愀爀洀椀最攀爀漀甀猀渀攀猀猀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀ഊ>others.
਀ഊThe original purpose of the Grant of Arms, for those who might be interested,
਀眀愀猀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 愀 䜀爀攀愀琀 伀昀昀椀挀攀爀 漀昀 匀琀愀琀攀 眀栀漀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 嬀礀攀琀崀 愀 倀攀攀爀 猀漀洀攀 攀砀琀爀愀ഊclout to use when dealing with Peers.  Apparently a Constable, for example,
਀眀栀漀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀渀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 䰀攀愀昀 礀攀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀攀猀椀琀愀琀攀 琀漀 琀攀氀氀 愀 䴀攀最愀搀甀欀攀 ∀䤀✀洀ഊsorry, Your Grace, I know it's very inconvenient but you _cannot_
਀瀀愀爀欀 琀栀攀爀攀⸀⸀⸀∀ഊ
਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 漀昀 䌀愀攀爀ⴀ䴀礀爀搀搀椀渀ऀऀ䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊMists/Mists/West			UC Berkeley
਀䄀爀最攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀 挀爀漀猀猀 昀漀爀洀攀✀攀 猀愀戀氀攀ऀऀ搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: DEW at ECL.PSU.EDU (Baron Dur al Jabal)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Pennsic Urban Myths
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㌀ 匀攀瀀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ 　㄀㨀㄀㤀㨀㔀　 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Orluk Oasis
਀ഊf333.n142.z1.fidonet.org writes:
਀ഊ#> DMD> One idea I overheard, to limit Pennsic, was to restrict Pennsic to SCA
਀⌀㸀 䐀䴀䐀㸀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 漀渀氀礀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 洀礀 椀搀攀愀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 猀椀洀瀀氀礀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 䤀 栀攀愀爀搀ഊ#> DMD> suggested. I don't think it's a good idea, but it would trim numbers
਀⌀㸀 䐀䴀䐀㸀 搀漀眀渀⸀ഊ#> DMD> If that is what you truly want to do.
਀⌀㸀  ഊ#> This would, of course, be terribly unpopular among the Tuchux.  Especially
਀⌀㸀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀椀渀最 椀琀 眀愀猀 ⨀琀栀攀礀⨀ 眀栀漀 搀椀猀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 䌀漀漀瀀攀爀 䰀愀欀攀 愀渀搀 椀渀瘀椀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 琀漀 挀漀洀攀ഊ#> play there... ;)
਀⌀㸀 ഊ
਀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 礀漀甀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 愀猀欀 䴀愀挀 䌀漀漀瀀攀爀 愀渀搀 䐀甀欀攀 䐀愀最愀渀 ⠀眀栀漀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 ഊ"finder" of Coopers Lake Campgrounds
਀ഊIt might surprize you that the 'chux found out after things were already going 
਀琀栀攀爀攀 ⠀椀⸀攀⸀ 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 椀渀瘀椀琀攀搀 甀猀Ⰰ 眀栀礀 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 琀栀攀礀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀琀 倀圀 ഊVI?)
਀ഊDale E. Walter     |Dur of Hidden Mountain          
਀                   簀䐀甀爀爀 愀氀ⴀ䨀愀戀愀氀 愀戀甀 一攀昀椀愀 洀椀渀 愀氀ⴀ䴀愀焀昀椀 䨀愀戀愀氀 䄀洀椀爀 椀氀漀爀氀甀欀ഊdew at ecl.psu.edu    |Orluk Oasis on the War Road (of Aethelmarc)
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀漀猀挀㄀㤀甀琀 愀琀 洀攀渀甀搀漀⸀甀栀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀匀琀攀瀀栀攀渀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 刀攀挀爀甀椀琀椀渀最ഊDate: 17 Sep 1993 08:46:00 -0500
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䠀漀甀猀琀漀渀ഊ
਀䨀愀最甀愀爀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>Now out of curiousity, how common is it for a non sword and shield
਀㸀昀椀最栀琀攀爀 琀漀 眀椀渀 愀 挀爀漀眀渀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀㼀ഊ
਀䐀甀欀攀 䌀栀愀爀氀攀猀 䤀渀洀愀渀 䴀愀挀䴀漀漀爀攀 眀漀渀 愀 挀爀漀眀渀 琀漀甀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀 椀渀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 猀漀洀攀 礀攀愀爀猀ഊago fighting only spear. People who were there say it was rather boring
਀琀漀 眀愀琀挀栀Ⰰ 愀猀 栀攀 欀椀氀氀攀搀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 眀椀琀栀 漀渀攀 猀栀漀琀⸀ഊ
਀䴀椀渀搀 礀漀甀Ⰰ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 栀攀 眀漀渀 栀椀猀 漀琀栀攀爀 㐀 挀爀漀眀渀猀 椀渀 愀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 洀漀爀攀 挀漀渀瘀攀渀琀椀漀渀愀氀 ഊmanner.
਀ഊEtienne d'Yverdon
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀䄀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 匀琀甀昀昀ഊDate: 13 Sep 1993 16:42:33 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀䈀攀琀琀椀渀愀 䠀攀氀洀猀 㰀戀攀琀琀椀渀愀⸀栀攀氀洀猀 愀琀 挀栀愀渀渀攀氀㄀⸀挀漀洀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>Oh? Is Diana Paxson on this Net? John and/or Bjo Trimble? Marion Zimmer
਀㸀䈀爀愀搀氀攀礀㼀ഊ
਀一漀琀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀⸀ഊ
਀䘀爀攀搀 䠀漀氀氀愀渀搀攀爀㼀ഊ
਀䠀攀 猀甀爀攀 椀猀⸀  䠀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 礀漀甀 猀攀攀渀 栀椀猀 ⸀猀椀最 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 猀琀爀愀眀戀攀爀爀礀 氀攀愀瘀攀猀 愀渀搀ഊthe slogan "Old Used Duke"?
਀ഊPoul Anderson?
਀ഊNo.
਀䐀爀⸀ 䴀愀爀最愀爀攀琀 倀漀瀀攀㼀 䴀愀礀戀攀 琀栀攀礀ഊ>just lurk, and post at extremely rare intervals?
਀ഊDr. Pope has been dead for several years.  I don't know if the Internet
਀爀攀愀挀栀攀猀 䠀攀愀瘀攀渀 礀攀琀 漀爀 渀漀琀⸀ഊ
਀匀漀 昀愀爀 琀栀攀 猀攀渀椀漀爀ഊ>person I have seen on this Net has been Baron Alfgar - and he only goes
਀㸀戀愀挀欀 琀漀 愀戀漀甀琀 䄀匀 䤀䤀䤀⸀ഊ
਀圀椀氀氀 䤀 搀漀㼀  䤀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 眀愀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 愀渀搀ഊsubsequent.  I really do go back to the Year One.  Anything I can do
਀昀漀爀 礀漀甀㼀ഊ>
਀㸀⸀⸀⸀⸀䔀礀攀眀椀琀渀攀猀猀ഊ>accounts from the early years of the East Kingdom .... clearly indicate ....
਀㸀愀 猀椀最渀椀昀椀挀愀渀琀 ⨀瀀爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀⨀ 昀漀爀 䘀愀爀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀攀ഊ>(Akbar ibn Murad, third and fifth King of the East; Murad ibn Hakim,
਀㸀昀漀甀爀琀栀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 ⴀ 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀攀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 䄀爀愀戀 戀甀琀 䴀漀最栀甀氀Ⰰ 昀爀漀洀ഊ>India after the Mongol takeover; Rakkurai of Kamakura, sixth King of the
਀㸀䔀愀猀琀㬀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 嘀甀漀渀最 䴀愀渀栀㬀 䈀愀爀漀渀攀猀猀 匀椀琀愀 漀昀 伀甀搀栀㬀 攀琀挀⸀⤀ 䄀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀ഊ>the early members took the designation of "East" Kingdom very literally.
਀ഊBasically, yes.  For the same reason the Middle Kingdom put a Chinese
਀搀爀愀最漀渀 漀渀 椀琀猀 愀爀洀猀⸀  夀漀甀✀氀氀 爀攀挀愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 戀愀挀欀 椀渀 䄀匀 猀椀渀最氀攀ⴀ搀椀最椀琀猀Ⰰ 渀漀琀ഊonly were we still trying to figure out what we were doing, but we were
਀洀漀猀琀 漀昀 甀猀 瘀攀爀礀 礀漀甀渀最ⴀⴀ愀渀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 漀昀 甀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀挀椀攀渀挀攀 昀椀挀琀椀漀渀 昀愀渀猀 愀渀搀⼀漀爀ഊwriters, which tends to keep the brain limber and foster youthful attitudes.
਀㸀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
਀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀圀攀猀琀ऀऀऀ唀䌀 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊArgent, a cross forme'e sable		djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 最椀氀氀椀洀攀爀 愀琀 最攀渀椀攀⸀最攀椀猀⸀䌀伀䴀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀⠀氀椀渀最⤀ 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀攀ഊDate: 16 Sep 1993 23:38:05 -0400
਀ഊKatja writes:
਀ 㸀䠀漀眀 愀戀漀甀琀 戀氀愀挀欀 嘀椀欀椀渀最猀㼀 吀栀攀爀攀✀猀 漀渀攀 氀漀挀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 戀漀琀栀攀爀 琀漀ഊ    Not to mention that alpine freebooter El of the Two Knives, whose father
਀∀戀爀漀甀最栀琀 戀愀挀欀 愀 搀甀猀欀礀 洀愀椀搀攀渀⸀⸀⸀⸀∀ഊ >(Oral tradition has it that the East Kingdom picked an azure tyger in
਀ 㸀爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀✀猀 搀爀愀最漀渀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 猀漀洀攀戀漀搀礀 ⠀嘀甀漀渀最 䴀愀渀栀㼀 䐀甀欀攀ഊ  It was an individual this person usually refers to with the perpendicular
਀瀀爀漀渀漀甀渀⸀⸀⸀攀爀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀愀猀 䤀⸀ 匀攀攀 䈀漀爀最攀猀 䈀伀伀䬀 伀䘀 䤀䴀䄀䜀䤀一䄀刀夀 䈀䔀䤀一䜀匀⸀⸀⸀ 䤀 瀀椀挀欀攀搀 漀渀ഊthe Vietnamese version because the Chinese one was a dragon (for obvious
਀爀攀愀猀漀渀猀⤀⸀ഊ Alfgar (Call me "Baron", jobbernowl!) the Sententious
਀ ഊ 
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 㰀一攀琀䤀䐀 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀攀爀猀 椀渀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰ 䌀栀椀渀攀猀攀 椀渀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀㼀ഊDate: 17 Sep 1993 02:56:03 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䌀漀爀渀攀氀氀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀ഊ
਀䈀攀琀琀椀渀愀 䠀攀氀洀猀Ⰰ 戀攀琀琀椀渀愀⸀栀攀氀洀猀 愀琀 挀栀愀渀渀攀氀㄀⸀挀漀洀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ
਀㸀䔀礀攀眀椀琀渀攀猀猀ഊ>accounts from the early years of the East Kingdom (yes, I
਀椀渀琀攀爀瘀椀攀眀攀搀ഊ>Baron Alfgar among other people) clearly indicate
਀⸀⸀⸀ഊ> a significant *preference* for Far Eastern personae
਀㸀⠀䄀欀戀愀爀 椀戀渀 䴀甀爀愀搀Ⰰ 琀栀椀爀搀 愀渀搀 昀椀昀琀栀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀㬀 䴀甀爀愀搀 椀戀渀ഊHakim,
਀㸀昀漀甀爀琀栀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 ⴀ 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀攀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 䄀爀愀戀 戀甀琀ഊMoghul, from
਀㸀䤀渀搀椀愀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀 䴀漀渀最漀氀 琀愀欀攀漀瘀攀爀㬀 刀愀欀欀甀爀愀椀 漀昀 䬀愀洀愀欀甀爀愀Ⰰ 猀椀砀琀栀ഊKing of the
਀㸀䔀愀猀琀㬀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 嘀甀漀渀最 䴀愀渀栀㬀 䈀愀爀漀渀攀猀猀 匀椀琀愀 漀昀 伀甀搀栀㬀 攀琀挀⸀⤀ഊApparently some of
਀㸀琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 琀漀漀欀 琀栀攀 搀攀猀椀最渀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 ∀䔀愀猀琀∀ 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 瘀攀爀礀ഊliterally.
਀ഊYou exaggerate. Off hand, the only eastern easterners from the early days I 
਀挀愀渀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀漀猀攀 礀漀甀 氀椀猀琀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 氀愀搀椀攀猀 漀昀 䠀漀甀猀攀 䠀愀欀椀洀ⴀⴀഊFatima and Khadijah. We had one prominent Islamic household (Hakim), one 
਀瀀爀漀洀椀渀攀渀琀 䨀愀瀀愀渀攀猀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 ⠀刀愀欀欀甀爀愀椀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 昀攀眀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀猀 眀椀琀栀 ഊeastern personae. Note, for example, that Vuong Manh was not master 
਀嘀甀漀渀最 䴀愀渀栀 甀渀琀椀氀 氀漀渀最 愀昀琀攀爀ⴀⴀ椀渀搀攀攀搀Ⰰ 䤀 愀洀 渀漀琀 攀瘀攀渀 猀甀爀攀 椀昀 栀攀 眀愀猀 愀 ഊmember during the reigns of Murad, Akbar, and Rakkurai.
਀ഊAlso, I believe House Hakim was mongol persian, presumably Ilkhanid, not 
਀䴀漀最栀甀氀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 洀椀猀琀愀欀攀渀⸀ 䤀昀 䤀 愀洀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 ഊprominent individual in the early history of the East I can think of who 
਀眀愀猀 渀漀琀 昀爀漀洀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ∀眀攀猀琀攀爀渀 漀爀 椀渀 挀漀渀琀愀挀琀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 眀攀猀琀∀ 挀甀氀琀甀爀攀猀 ഊwas Rakkurai.
਀ഊ>I also got sketchy accounts of the (figurative) bloodbath around AS V or
਀㸀嘀䤀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀琀爀漀瘀攀爀猀礀 漀瘀攀爀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 琀漀 樀漀椀渀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 愀渀搀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀ഊ>Kingoms in "the SCA, Inc." got so heated and vicious that a number of
਀㸀愀挀琀椀瘀攀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 猀琀爀漀渀最氀礀 ⨀漀瀀瀀漀猀攀搀⨀ 琀漀 椀渀挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 眀攀爀攀 搀爀椀瘀攀渀 愀眀愀礀ഊ>forever. (Some of them still live in the Boston area...but will have
਀㸀渀漀琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 愀渀搀 眀椀氀氀 渀漀琀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀 椀琀 椀渀 愀渀礀 眀愀礀⸀⤀ഊ
਀䤀昀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 洀礀 搀愀琀攀猀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀椀渀最 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀 洀礀 ഊfirst Eastern reign. The East was already a part of the corporation at the 
਀琀椀洀攀ⴀⴀ椀渀搀攀攀搀Ⰰ 䤀 愀洀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 猀甀爀攀 椀琀 眀愀猀 愀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 ഊyears earlier, when the Middle Kingdom was founded as a principality of 
਀琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 猀漀洀攀 甀渀瀀氀攀愀猀愀渀琀渀攀猀猀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 漀昀 ഊRakkurai's reign, but it had nothing to do with whether or not we were 
਀最漀椀渀最 琀漀 ∀樀漀椀渀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 䤀渀挀⸀∀ ഊ
਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 焀甀漀琀攀猀 䈀攀琀琀椀渀愀 䠀攀氀洀猀 漀渀 攀愀爀氀礀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 琀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 搀攀猀椀最渀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 ഊ"East" Kingdom very literally, and adds.
਀ഊ>Basically, yes.  For the same reason the Middle Kingdom put a Chinese
਀㸀搀爀愀最漀渀 漀渀 椀琀猀 愀爀洀猀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 戀椀琀 洀椀猀氀攀愀搀椀渀最⸀ 䈀漀琀栀 琀栀攀 䐀爀愀最漀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 倀愀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀洀猀 眀攀爀攀 ഊintended as plays on the name "Middle Kingdom," but I cannot remember 
਀愀渀礀 䌀栀椀渀攀猀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊ
਀䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊ
਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀攀爀猀 椀渀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰ 䌀栀椀渀攀ഊFrom: bettina.helms at channel1.com (Bettina Helms)
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㠀 匀攀瀀 㤀㌀ ㈀㄀㨀㔀㔀㨀　　 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊOrganization: Channel 1(R) * 617-864-0100 Info * 617-354-7077 Modem
਀ഊDavid/Cariadoc writes:
਀ഊNE>This is another attempt to post the comments that have been going
਀一䔀㸀琀栀爀漀甀最栀 愀猀 洀漀猀琀氀礀 戀氀愀渀欀 瀀愀最攀猀⸀ 䤀 愀瀀漀氀漀最椀猀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀ⴀⴀ䤀 愀洀ഊNE>trying to learn to use new posting software.
਀ഊApology accepted and understood. By the way, what has brought Your Grace
਀琀漀 䌀漀爀渀攀氀氀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀㼀ഊ
਀一䔀㸀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㐀　⸀㈀㈀㜀㤀㘀⸀㄀㔀㠀　⸀　一䔀㄀㠀䈀㈀　 愀琀 挀栀愀渀渀攀氀㄀⸀挀漀洀㸀 䈀攀琀琀椀渀愀 䠀攀氀洀猀ⰀഊNE>bettina.helms at channel1.com writes:
਀ഊ>>Eyewitness accounts from the early years of the East Kingdom (yes, I
਀㸀㸀椀渀琀攀爀瘀椀攀眀攀搀 䈀愀爀漀渀 䄀氀昀最愀爀 愀洀漀渀最 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⤀ 挀氀攀愀爀氀礀 椀渀搀椀挀愀琀攀 ⸀⸀⸀ 愀ഊ>>significant *preference* for Far Eastern personae
਀ഊNE>You exaggerate. Off hand, the only eastern easterners from the
਀一䔀㸀攀愀爀氀礀 搀愀礀猀 䤀 挀愀渀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀漀猀攀 礀漀甀 氀椀猀琀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀ഊNE>ladies of House Hakim-- Fatima and Khadijah.
਀ഊI cry pardon for having overlooked those two gracious ladies. :-)
਀ഊNE>Also, I believe House Hakim was mongol persian, presumably
਀一䔀㸀䤀氀欀栀愀渀椀搀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 䴀漀最栀甀氀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 洀椀猀琀愀欀攀渀⸀ഊ
਀䄀琀 琀栀椀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀Ⰰ 䤀 搀愀爀攀猀愀礀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀猀 眀栀漀 欀渀漀眀 昀漀爀 猀甀爀攀 愀爀攀 琀栀攀ഊsurviving members of House Hakim...who have not been seen in these parts
਀昀漀爀 洀愀渀礀 愀 氀漀渀最 礀攀愀爀⸀ 䈀甀琀 ∀䴀漀最栀甀氀∀ 眀愀猀 眀栀愀琀 䤀 眀愀猀 琀漀氀搀 戀礀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀ഊwho claimed familiarity with the House and its members.
਀ഊ>>I also got sketchy accounts of the (figurative) bloodbath around
਀㸀㸀䄀匀 嘀 漀爀 嘀䤀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀琀爀漀瘀攀爀猀礀 漀瘀攀爀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 琀漀 樀漀椀渀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 愀渀搀ഊ>>Middle Kingoms in "the SCA, Inc." got so heated and vicious that
਀ഊNE>If I have my dates correct, you are describing a period that
਀一䔀㸀椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀 洀礀 昀椀爀猀琀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 爀攀椀最渀⸀ 吀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 眀愀猀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 愀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀ഊNE>the corporation at the time--indeed, I am fairly sure it was a
਀一䔀㸀瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 礀攀愀爀猀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀ഊNE>Kingdom was founded as a principality of the East Kingdom.
਀ഊI guess the accounts were even sketchier than I realized - for one
਀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 䤀 栀愀搀 ⨀渀漀琀⨀ 栀攀愀爀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 眀愀猀 ∀昀漀甀渀搀攀搀 愀猀 愀ഊprincipality of the East"!  :-)
਀ഊNE>There was some unpleasantness around the time of Rakkurai's reign,
਀一䔀㸀戀甀琀 椀琀 栀愀搀 渀漀琀栀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 漀爀 渀漀琀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 ∀樀漀椀渀ഊNE>the West and the Middle kingdoms in the SCA, Inc."
਀ഊIt's entirely possible that my informants, who were going on their own
਀昀愀氀氀椀戀氀攀 洀攀洀漀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 栀愀搀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀 琀眀漀 漀爀 洀漀爀攀 洀愀樀漀爀 挀漀渀琀爀漀瘀攀爀猀椀攀猀⸀ഊ
਀一䔀㸀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 焀甀漀琀攀猀 䈀攀琀琀椀渀愀 䠀攀氀洀猀 漀渀 攀愀爀氀礀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 琀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊNE>designation of "East" Kingdom very literally, and adds.
਀ഊNE>Do>Basically, yes.  For the same reason the Middle Kingdom put a
਀一䔀㸀䐀漀㸀䌀栀椀渀攀猀攀 搀爀愀最漀渀 漀渀 椀琀猀 愀爀洀猀⸀ഊ
਀一䔀㸀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 戀椀琀 洀椀猀氀攀愀搀椀渀最⸀ 䈀漀琀栀 琀栀攀 䐀爀愀最漀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 倀愀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊNE>arms were intended as plays on the name "Middle Kingdom," but I
਀一䔀㸀挀愀渀渀漀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 愀渀礀 䌀栀椀渀攀猀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 瀀爀攀猀甀洀攀 夀漀甀爀 䜀爀愀挀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 昀椀爀猀琀栀愀渀搀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀 䤀ഊwill take your word for it.
਀ഊ * OLX 2.1 TD * Will the real King Arthur please return?
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀椀挀欀攀渀攀礀 愀琀 愀挀挀攀猀猀⸀搀椀最攀砀⸀渀攀琀 ⠀䐀椀挀欀 䔀渀攀礀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀攀爀猀 椀渀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰ 䌀栀椀渀攀猀攀 椀渀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀㼀ഊDate: 20 Sep 1993 21:25:27 -0400
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䔀砀瀀爀攀猀猀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀 伀渀氀椀渀攀 䌀漀洀洀甀渀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 䜀爀攀攀渀戀攀氀琀Ⰰ 䴀䐀 唀匀䄀ഊ
਀䠀椀猀 䜀爀愀挀攀 䐀甀欀攀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀 椀猀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀㬀 䤀 樀漀椀渀攀搀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀昀琀攀爀 琀栀攀ഊreigns of Rakkurai and House Hakim.  In fact, my first SCA XII Night was
਀琀栀攀 漀渀攀 眀攀 栀攀氀搀 搀甀爀椀渀最 䬀椀渀最 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀✀猀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 ⠀㼀⤀ 爀攀椀最渀 ⴀⴀ 搀漀眀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊbasement of a church in Bhakail, at which attendance was about double
਀攀砀瀀攀挀琀愀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 挀爀漀眀搀椀渀最 戀攀挀愀洀攀 椀渀挀爀攀搀椀戀氀攀⸀  䄀渀搀 洀礀 昀椀爀猀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 眀愀猀ഊPenssic IV, alias Pennsic Puddle.  Some historians suggest this indicates a learning disability, or at least a case of schadenfreude.
਀ഊ|-- Vuong Manh (dickeney at access.digex.com) Storvik, Atlantia |
਀簀∀䔀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀 戀攀挀漀洀攀猀 攀愀猀椀攀爀 眀椀琀栀 挀栀漀挀漀氀愀琀攀℀∀       簀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: NetID at cornell.edu (David Friedman)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Pennsic population
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㤀 匀攀瀀 㤀㌀ ㄀㔀㨀　㌀㨀　㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Cornell University
਀ഊT. Archer writes, with regard to the Tuchux:
਀∀䈀甀琀 䤀 愀洀 渀漀琀 挀漀洀昀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀 眀椀琀栀 攀砀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 昀漀甀渀搀攀爀猀 漀昀ഊPensic, which we seem to have taken over, by adding additional
਀爀甀氀攀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀  䤀✀氀氀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀⸀⸀⸀∀ഊ
਀吀漀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 漀昀 洀礀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀 愀渀搀 戀攀氀椀攀昀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 吀甀挀栀甀砀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀ഊexist when Pennsic was founded. They certainly had nothing to
਀搀漀 眀椀琀栀 昀漀甀渀搀椀渀最 椀琀Ⰰ 渀漀爀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀礀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 漀渀攀⸀ 䤀ഊwas not involved with the process by which Pennsic got moved to
਀椀琀猀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 猀椀琀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 昀椀爀猀琀ⴀ栀愀渀搀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀 漀昀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀ഊthe Tuchux had any involvement in our finding Cooper's lake.
਀ഊDavid/Cariadoc
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀挀栀爀漀攀搀攀爀 㰀搀猀㐀瀀⬀ 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 吀⸀䤀⸀䴀⸀䔀⸀ഊDate: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 23:12:12 -0400
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䐀漀挀琀漀爀愀氀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀Ⰰ 䤀渀搀甀猀琀爀椀愀氀 䄀搀洀椀渀椀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 䌀愀爀渀攀最椀攀 䴀攀氀氀漀渀Ⰰ 倀椀琀琀猀戀甀爀最栀Ⰰ 倀䄀ഊ
਀䠀椀 昀漀氀欀猀 ⴀⴀഊ
਀㸀 嬀䈀攀爀琀爀愀洀崀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> >   Does anyone remember the 
਀㸀  ഊ> >          "*T*ournaments *I*lluminated *M*artial *E*xtravaganza" ?
਀㸀  ഊ> Yes I do. I also remember TIME's response. 
਀㸀 夀漀甀 最漀琀琀愀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 爀攀猀琀爀愀椀渀琀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀愀琀⸀ഊ>  
਀㸀 倀愀瘀攀氀ഊ> Calontir
਀ഊThe "Martial Extravaganza" issue of TI, #67 I think, was one of the
਀椀猀猀甀攀猀 瀀爀椀渀琀攀搀 搀甀爀椀渀最 洀礀 琀攀渀甀爀攀 愀猀 吀䤀 攀搀椀琀漀爀 戀愀挀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀 搀椀洀 搀椀猀琀愀渀琀ഊmists of the past (like the late '70s and early '80s).  It had TIME's
਀爀攀搀 戀漀爀搀攀爀 ⠀洀漀猀琀氀礀⤀ 愀渀搀 愀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀氀礀 昀氀愀瘀漀爀攀搀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 琀椀琀氀攀ഊwith initials separating the letters and "Tournaments Illuminated
਀䴀愀爀琀椀愀氀 䔀砀琀爀愀瘀愀最愀渀稀愀∀ 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀椀渀最 戀攀氀漀眀 椀渀 猀洀愀氀氀攀爀 瀀爀椀渀琀⸀  吀栀攀 戀愀爀ഊcode in the lower lefthand corner was made of spears and polearms.
਀ഊJust to make things clear there was never a chance of trouble from
਀吀䤀䴀䔀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 挀漀瘀攀爀 ⴀⴀ 琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀 爀椀最栀琀 琀漀 瀀愀爀漀搀礀 琀栀愀琀 最漀攀猀 愀氀漀渀最ഊwith freedom of expression in the U.S. MAD Magazine a year or so 
਀氀愀琀攀爀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 吀䤀䴀䔀 瀀愀爀漀搀礀 眀椀琀栀 䄀氀昀爀攀搀 䔀⸀ 一攀甀洀愀渀 愀猀ഊ"Idiot of the Year" or some such and MAD often imitates other
਀瀀甀戀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 栀甀洀漀爀漀甀猀 攀昀昀攀挀琀⸀  䠀愀搀 䤀 开愀猀欀攀搀开 吀䤀䴀䔀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀ഊor not I could use their "look" for a parody they would have
਀琀漀氀搀 洀攀 ∀一漀℀∀ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 搀漀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 ⠀渀漀爀 眀漀甀氀搀 琀栀攀礀ഊwant to do anything) about a single-issue parody.
਀ഊI sent a copy of the issue, as a courtesy (and to see what 
਀爀攀瀀氀礀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 瀀爀漀洀瀀琀⤀ 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀攀渀椀漀爀 攀搀椀琀漀爀 漀昀 吀䤀䴀䔀 愀渀搀 栀攀ഊforwarded it to their counsel who entered very much into
਀琀栀攀 猀瀀椀爀椀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 猀愀椀搀 ⠀琀爀愀渀猀氀愀琀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 氀攀最愀氀攀猀攀⤀ഊthat once was funny, but don't do it again.  He signed
਀栀椀猀 氀攀琀琀攀爀 ∀吀爀漀氀氀 漀昀 䐀愀洀瀀 䘀攀攀琀 愀渀搀 䌀漀甀渀猀攀氀漀爀 漀昀 䰀愀眀猀⸀⸀⸀∀ഊIt was good fun... 
਀ഊ    I didn't have the heart to remind the lawyer of
਀    琀栀攀 挀漀渀渀攀挀琀椀漀渀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 ∀吀漀甀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀猀 䤀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀∀ഊ    and "Sports Illustrated..."
਀ഊ    Take care, friends -- my best -- Bertram
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀挀栀爀漀攀搀攀爀 㰀搀猀㐀瀀⬀ 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 吀䤀✀猀 一愀洀攀ഊDate: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 20:01:40 -0400
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䐀漀挀琀漀爀愀氀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀Ⰰ 䤀渀搀甀猀琀爀椀愀氀 䄀搀洀椀渀椀猀琀爀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 䌀愀爀渀攀最椀攀 䴀攀氀氀漀渀Ⰰ 倀椀琀琀猀戀甀爀最栀Ⰰ 倀䄀ഊ
਀䠀椀 昀漀氀欀猀 ⠀愀渀搀 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 ⴀⴀ 眀栀攀爀攀✀猀 䠀愀氀 琀栀攀猀攀 搀愀礀猀㼀⤀ ⴀⴀഊ
਀䰀漀爀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀 氀椀 刀漀甀猀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 愀猀欀攀搀 洀攀 愀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀猀ഊof Tournaments Illuminated--namely--where did it get its play-on-words
਀眀椀琀栀 匀瀀漀爀琀猀 䤀氀氀甀猀琀爀愀琀攀搀 洀漀渀椀欀攀爀⸀  䄀 搀椀洀 愀渀搀 搀椀猀琀愀渀琀 洀攀洀漀爀礀 漀昀 愀 挀漀渀ⴀഊversation with Duke Seigfried von Hoflichskeit says that it was coined
਀戀礀 䨀漀栀渀 搀攀 䌀氀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 眀爀漀渀最 猀椀渀挀攀 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 樀漀椀渀ഊuntil A.S. XI.
਀ഊOf course, one also needs to remember such gems as "Popular Chivalry"
਀⠀琀栀攀 渀攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀 漀昀 䴀攀爀椀搀椀攀猀⤀ 琀漀 最攀琀 愀 猀攀渀猀攀 漀昀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀✀猀ഊsense of humor was like pre-A.S. XV.
਀ഊWhat would be a good name for the Society's quarterly journal if we
਀眀攀爀攀 渀愀洀椀渀最 椀琀 琀漀搀愀礀Ⰰ 爀愀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 琀眀攀渀琀礀ⴀ昀椀瘀攀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀㼀  开匀瀀攀挀甀氀甀洀开ഊis already taken...   _Better Keeps and Castles_ wasn't that funny
਀愀 搀漀稀攀渀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀⸀  开倀攀爀椀漀搀开 挀漀洀攀猀 琀漀 洀椀渀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 洀椀最栀琀 戀攀 洀椀猀琀愀欀攀渀ഊfor a Women's Studies or Medical journal...  
਀ഊAny ideas, friends?
਀ഊMy best -- Bertram
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 吀䤀✀猀 一愀洀攀ഊDate: 28 Oct 1993 02:35:23 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀挀栀爀漀攀搀攀爀  㰀搀猀㐀瀀⬀ 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>Hi folks (and especially Dorothea -- where's Hal these days?) --
਀ഊHe got his account turned off--office politics.
਀ഊ>Lord Stefan li Rous of Ansteorra asked me a question about the origins
਀㸀漀昀 吀漀甀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀猀 䤀氀氀甀洀椀渀愀琀攀搀ⴀⴀ渀愀洀攀氀礀ⴀⴀ眀栀攀爀攀 搀椀搀 椀琀 最攀琀 椀琀猀 瀀氀愀礀ⴀ漀渀ⴀ眀漀爀搀猀ഊ>with Sports Illustrated moniker.  A dim and distant memory of a con-
਀㸀瘀攀爀猀愀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀 䐀甀欀攀 匀攀椀最昀爀椀攀搀 瘀漀渀 䠀漀昀氀椀挀栀猀欀攀椀琀 猀愀礀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 挀漀椀渀攀搀ഊ>by John de Cles, but I certainly could be wrong since I didn't join
਀㸀甀渀琀椀氀 䄀⸀匀⸀ 堀䤀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 椀琀 眀愀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 挀漀渀猀攀渀猀甀猀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 䨀漀渀 愀渀搀 䐀椀愀渀愀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀ഊeditor and illuminatrix respectively.
਀ഊAll I remember was when the first issue showed up, with that picture
਀漀昀 䠀攀渀爀椀欀 漀渀 愀 栀漀爀猀攀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 漀昀 䌀愀攀爀ⴀ䴀礀爀搀搀椀渀ऀऀ䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊMists/Mists/West			UC Berkeley
਀䄀爀最攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀 挀爀漀猀猀 昀漀爀洀攀✀攀 猀愀戀氀攀ऀऀ搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: question
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㤀 伀挀琀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㈀　㨀㔀㜀㨀㈀㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of California, Berkeley
਀ഊConor Mackaine <roaric at bu.edu> wrote:
਀㸀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 挀漀洀攀 愀挀挀爀漀猀猀 愀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ∀伀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 圀椀稀愀爀搀 䰀漀爀攀ഊ>of the Associated Guilds of the Society for Creative Anachronism".  Can 
਀㸀愀渀礀漀渀攀 最椀瘀攀 洀攀 愀渀礀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀㼀 ഊ
਀伀栀Ⰰ 礀攀愀栀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 伀⸀圀⸀䰀⸀ 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 猀挀栀琀椀欀 漀昀 䤀猀愀愀挀 琀栀攀 唀渀氀椀欀攀氀礀 ⠀愀⸀欀⸀愀⸀ 䤀猀愀愀挀ഊde la Decapole d'Alsace, m.k.a. Isaac Bonewitz) in the early days.
਀䤀琀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 搀漀攀猀 渀漀琀 攀砀椀猀琀 愀渀礀 洀漀爀攀⸀  䤀猀愀愀挀 栀愀猀渀✀琀 瀀氀愀礀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊSCA since the early seventies, to his and our mutual relief I suspect.
਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
਀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀圀攀猀琀ऀऀऀ唀䌀 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊArgent, a cross forme'e sable		djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 爀漀愀爀椀挀 愀琀 戀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䌀漀渀漀爀 䴀愀挀欀愀椀渀攀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀ഊDate: 29 Oct 1993 20:11:22 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䈀漀猀琀漀渀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀ഊ
਀最爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 琀漀 愀氀氀ഊI have recently come accross a reference to the "Order of Wizard Lore
਀漀昀 琀栀攀 䄀猀猀漀挀椀愀琀攀搀 䜀甀椀氀搀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 昀漀爀 䌀爀攀愀琀椀瘀攀 䄀渀愀挀栀爀漀渀椀猀洀∀⸀  䌀愀渀 ഊanyone give me any information about it?  The book was written in 1970,
਀猀漀 椀琀 眀甀氀搀 戀攀 昀爀漀洀 攀愀爀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 爀愀椀猀攀 愀渀礀 ഊhot debates over this, I am just curious about what it was and if it 
਀猀琀椀氀氀 攀砀椀猀琀猀⸀  䌀漀甀氀搀 礀漀甀 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 猀攀渀搀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀猀 搀椀爀攀挀琀氀礀 琀漀 洀攀 愀琀 ഊroaric at acs.bu.edu.
਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀ഊConor Mackaine
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䐀甀欀攀 漀渀 愀 䴀漀琀漀爀挀礀挀氀攀ഊDate: 1 Nov 1993 18:11:54 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 开漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀开 䐀甀欀攀 漀渀 愀 䴀漀琀漀爀挀礀挀氀攀 眀愀猀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 漀昀 䴀漀渀琀 刀漀礀愀氀Ⰰഊcalled the Short, who in late August of AS II went down to Los Angeles
਀琀漀 愀琀琀攀渀搀 圀攀猀琀攀爀挀漀渀 堀堀 愀渀搀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀攀 椀渀 愀 搀攀洀漀Ⰰ 愀猀 搀椀搀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 甀猀⸀ഊHe wasn't wearing his armour; he was wearing his proper leathers and
਀洀漀琀漀爀挀礀挀氀攀 栀攀氀洀攀琀ⴀⴀ樀甀猀琀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀Ⰰ 琀漀漀ⴀⴀ愀渀搀 栀椀猀 愀爀洀漀甀爀 愀渀搀 眀攀愀瀀漀渀爀礀ഊwere bundled on the back of the cycle behind him.  Well, Master Richard
਀昀漀甀最栀琀 眀椀琀栀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 戀椀最 欀椀琀攀ⴀ猀栀椀攀氀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀 攀渀 爀漀甀琀攀 琀栀攀 眀椀渀搀ഊcaught the kite like ... a kite, and blew him over onto the shoulder.
਀䠀攀 栀愀搀 挀甀琀猀 愀渀搀 戀爀甀椀猀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 戀爀漀欀攀渀 琀攀攀琀栀Ⰰ 䈀唀吀 䠀䔀 䴀䄀䐀䔀 䤀吀 吀伀 吀䠀䔀ഊCONVENTION AND FOUGHT IN THE DEMO ANYWAY.
਀ഊHis motto in those days was "Dwarves Are Hard to Kill."
਀ഊWhen it was time for him to receive the Crown for the second time
਀⠀䐀椀愀渀愀 䰀椀猀琀洀愀欀攀爀 眀愀猀 栀椀猀 儀甀攀攀渀⤀Ⰰ 栀攀 最漀琀 漀甀琀 栀椀猀 挀礀挀氀攀 愀渀搀 戀漀爀爀漀眀攀搀ഊanother from a friend and he and Diana rode once around the field
਀戀攀昀漀爀攀 爀椀搀椀渀最 甀瀀 琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀 琀栀爀漀渀攀猀⸀  一漀琀 琀攀爀爀椀戀氀礀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 椀渀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀愀渀挀攀Ⰰഊbut very perioid in intent.
਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
਀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀圀攀猀琀ऀऀऀ唀䌀 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊArgent, a cross forme'e sable		djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀琀渀 愀琀 渀甀琀琀攀爀⸀挀猀⸀瘀琀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀吀攀爀爀礀 一甀琀琀攀爀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䘀甀琀甀爀攀 匀䌀䄀㼀ഊDate: 3 Dec 1993 16:35:11 GMT
਀ഊGreetings, all, from Angharad ver' Rhuawn.
਀ഊResponding to Bertram, Archer writes,
਀ഊ>>  o Kingdoms/principalities/households/special interest groups
਀㸀㸀    猀瀀氀椀琀琀椀渀最 漀昀昀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 眀栀攀爀攀ഊ>>    SCA memberships are not required if fighters want to fight...
਀㸀ഊ>I heard a rumor/urban legend that the BoD was planning to ban fencing, 
਀㸀匀䌀䄀ⴀ眀椀搀攀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀最漀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䌀爀漀眀渀 漀昀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀琀Ⰰ 愀昀琀攀爀 挀漀渀猀甀氀琀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 栀椀猀 ഊ>peers, said he would take his Kingdom independant rather than ban a widely 
਀㸀攀渀樀漀礀攀搀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀⸀  倀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 攀砀愀最最攀爀愀琀攀搀 漀爀 昀氀愀琀 漀甀琀 昀愀氀猀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 ഊ>heard it at all is evidence that this is at least in people's minds.
਀ഊThat was Ansteorra, not Atenvelt (or rather, Atenvelt may have done
਀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 䤀 愀洀 愀眀愀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 搀椀搀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀ഊAnsteorra).  Inman was king at the time; I believe it was his first
਀爀攀椀最渀⸀  䴀礀 氀漀爀搀 栀愀猀 琀栀攀 搀攀琀愀椀氀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀 愀琀 眀漀爀欀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀椀猀 漀渀攀 椀猀渀✀琀 愀 氀攀最攀渀搀 ⴀⴀ 漀爀Ⰰ 爀愀琀栀攀爀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀愀礀 渀漀眀 戀攀 氀攀最攀渀搀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀ഊalso happened.
਀ഊCheers,
਀ഊ-- Angharad/Terry
਀ഊ
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: levey at netcom.com (Don Levey)
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䬀渀椀最栀琀氀礀 瘀椀爀琀甀攀猀㼀ഊOrganization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 圀攀搀Ⰰ 㔀 䨀愀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㘀㨀㐀　㨀㐀㐀 䜀䴀吀ഊ
਀䄀䰀䘀刀䔀䐀 愀琀 挀挀挀瀀瀀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀䄀䰀䘀刀䔀䐀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>          Good Carolus,
਀㸀ഊ>          You passionately rebutt Sir John's posting:
਀㸀ഊ>          >> Countess Elena of Beckingham ... announces that dancing
਀㸀          㸀㸀 椀猀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀氀礀 瘀椀爀琀甀攀 椀渀 猀甀挀栀 愀 昀愀猀栀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 氀漀挀愀氀ഊ>          >> fighters hear it....
਀㸀          㸀㸀 䨀漀栀渀 吀栀攀漀瀀栀漀氀椀猀ഊ>
਀㸀          㸀 䤀 搀椀猀愀最爀攀攀⸀ 䐀愀渀挀椀渀最 椀猀 渀漀琀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀氀礀 瘀椀爀琀甀攀⸀ 䤀 眀椀氀氀 最漀ഊ>          > one step further, and say that *nothing* not connected
਀㸀          㸀 琀漀 洀椀氀椀琀愀爀礀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀爀漀眀渀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 攀瘀攀爀 戀攀ഊ>          > considered a knightly virtue.
਀㸀ഊ>          It has long been the belief of the SCA chivalry that we are
਀㸀          琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 攀洀甀氀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀 漀昀 氀椀琀攀爀愀爀礀 爀漀洀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 爀愀琀栀攀爀ഊ>          than any historical model.  As such, a set of criteria,
਀㸀          愀氀戀攀椀琀 愀爀戀椀琀爀愀爀礀Ⰰ 眀愀猀 猀攀琀 搀漀眀渀 猀漀洀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀最漀 愀猀 愀 最甀椀搀攀氀椀渀攀ഊ>          for elevating candidates to the order.  This is not unlike
਀㸀          䌀愀猀琀椀最氀椀漀渀攀✀猀 椀搀攀愀氀 最攀渀琀氀攀洀愀渀 椀渀 开吀栀攀 䈀漀漀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䌀漀甀爀琀椀攀爀开⸀ഊ>          Thus, dancing is an _SCA_ knightly virtue, regardless of its
਀㸀          爀攀氀攀瘀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 攀氀攀瘀愀琀椀漀渀 挀爀椀琀攀爀椀愀⸀ഊ>
਀㸀㰀匀一䤀倀㸀ഊ>
਀㸀          䄀氀昀爀攀搀 漀昀 䌀愀爀氀礀氀攀Ⰰ 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ
਀圀攀 洀甀猀琀 愀氀猀漀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀㨀 眀栀攀爀攀 搀椀搀 琀栀攀猀攀 氀椀琀攀爀愀爀礀 戀攀氀椀攀昀猀 挀漀洀攀 昀爀漀洀Ⰰഊif not from some ideal present in the society in which it arose?
਀䤀 猀瀀攀愀欀 渀漀琀 漀渀氀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 嘀椀挀琀漀爀椀愀渀 渀漀瘀攀氀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 漀昀 椀渀ⴀ瀀攀爀椀漀搀 氀椀琀攀爀愀琀甀爀攀ഊwhich speaks of things such as courtly graces, courtly love, etc.
਀䤀琀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 搀椀猀瀀愀爀愀最椀渀最 琀攀爀洀猀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 眀攀爀攀 ∀戀愀搀∀ഊknights, who appeared to be men who could fight, but (implicitly)
਀氀椀琀琀氀攀 攀氀猀攀 ⠀椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 搀椀瀀氀漀洀愀挀礀⤀⸀  ഊ
਀䔀愀爀氀礀 漀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 ⠀䤀 愀洀 琀漀氀搀 戀礀 漀渀攀 眀栀漀 欀渀漀眀猀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀ഊa debate as to whether to create two orders of knighthood: one
਀昀漀爀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最 愀渀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀攀爀愀最攀 昀漀爀 挀漀甀爀琀氀礀 最爀愀挀攀⸀  吀栀攀 椀洀瀀攀琀甀猀 昀漀爀ഊthis was one man who was not the best fighter, but embodied all
਀漀琀栀攀爀 瘀椀爀琀甀攀猀 眀栀椀挀栀 挀爀攀愀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 ∀椀洀愀最攀∀ 漀昀 欀渀椀最栀琀栀漀漀搀 ⠀愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀ഊfor people at this time in SCA history).  The result of this debate    
਀眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 洀愀渀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 栀攀 眀愀猀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀⸀ഊSome did not see this, but many did, and many still do.
਀ഊTo some, fighting is one of the least important skills a knight
਀洀愀礀 瀀漀猀攀猀猀⸀  吀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 瘀椀爀琀甀攀猀 愀爀攀 眀栀愀琀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀 昀爀漀洀ഊa highly-trained stick jock.  Peerage, to me, is something which 
਀瀀氀愀挀攀猀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 甀瀀 愀猀 愀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀 漀昀 眀栀愀琀 眀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀搀 猀琀爀椀瘀攀 琀漀 戀攀⸀ഊI know that at least on eknight regularly asked his squires to
਀搀椀猀瀀氀愀礀 琀栀攀椀爀 渀攀攀搀氀攀眀漀爀欀Ⰰ 琀漀 瀀爀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 搀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀⸀  一愀爀爀漀眀渀攀猀猀 愀猀ഊan ideal will encourage narrowmindedness in our members.
਀ഊOK, I'll get off my soapbox now.
਀ഊ -Don
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਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊFrom: kreyling at lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966)
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 戀氀甀渀琀 猀琀攀攀氀 眀攀愀瀀漀渀猀ഊOrganization: Loral Data Systems
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ ㈀㠀 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㌀ ㈀㄀㨀㌀　㨀㄀㌀ 䜀䴀吀ഊ
਀䐀䐀䘀㈀ 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>Brigit wrote:
਀㸀ഊ>> I agree with Johan. I have been in the SCA for 19 years and have seen _many_
਀㸀㸀 愀爀洀漀爀 挀栀愀渀最攀猀 ⠀猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀猀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 樀漀椀渀攀搀 眀攀爀攀 昀爀攀漀渀 栀攀氀洀Ⰰ 欀椀搀渀攀礀 戀攀氀琀Ⰰ 挀甀瀀 愀渀搀ഊ>> _welding_ gloves). I have never seen a rule change (where blows are 
਀㸀㸀 愀挀欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀搀⤀ 漀爀 愀爀洀漀爀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀 挀栀愀渀最攀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 戀愀猀攀搀 漀渀 猀愀昀攀琀礀⸀ഊ>
਀㸀圀栀攀渀 䤀 樀漀椀渀攀搀Ⰰ 猀栀漀琀猀 戀攀氀漀眀 琀栀攀 欀渀攀攀 眀攀爀攀Ⰰ 䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀Ⰰ 椀氀氀攀最愀氀 攀瘀攀爀礀眀栀攀爀攀ഊ>except in Atenveldt. Could someone involved in either the original decision
਀㸀椀渀 琀栀攀 眀攀猀琀Ⰰ 漀爀 琀栀攀 洀甀挀栀 氀愀琀攀爀 搀攀挀椀猀椀漀渀 椀渀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀 ⠀漀爀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀ഊ>the Aten daughter and stepdaughter kingdoms), describe the reason? Off
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਀㸀䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 猀琀漀爀礀 琀栀愀琀 爀攀愀挀栀攀搀 攀愀猀琀攀爀渀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀 ⠀渀漀眀 䴀攀爀椀搀椀攀猀⤀ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀ഊrule change occurred was that Robert Roundpounder (one of those many time
਀䐀甀欀攀猀⤀ 眀漀渀 䌀爀漀眀渀 䰀礀猀琀 愀昀琀攀爀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 戀漀渀攀 椀渀 栀椀猀 氀漀眀攀爀 氀攀最 戀爀漀欀攀渀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊlist. His alledged statement as he was illegalizing lower leg blows was 
਀∀䄀渀礀漀渀攀 挀愀渀 戀爀攀愀欀 洀礀 氀攀最Ⰰ 椀琀 琀愀欀攀猀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 最漀漀搀 琀漀 戀攀愀琀 洀攀∀ഊ
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਀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 吀爀椀洀愀爀椀猀                       簀匀愀爀愀猀漀琀愀Ⰰ 䘀䰀Ⰰ 唀匀䄀ഊ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䜀氀漀戀愀氀 䄀氀攀爀琀 䘀漀爀 䄀氀氀㨀 䨀攀猀甀猀 椀猀 䌀漀洀椀渀最 匀漀漀渀ഊDate: 19 Jan 1994 04:13:14 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀䐀椀挀欀 䔀渀攀礀 㰀搀椀挀欀攀渀攀礀 愀琀 愀挀挀攀猀猀㈀⸀搀椀最攀砀⸀渀攀琀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>In article <1994Jan18.151546.2600 at news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
਀㸀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䴀愀琀琀栀攀眀 䐀攀愀渀攀 㰀搀攀愀渀攀 愀琀 戀椀渀愀栀⸀挀挀⸀戀爀愀渀搀攀椀猀⸀攀搀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>>If the world ends, does that mean that all of our royalty, chivalry,
਀㸀㸀瀀攀攀爀愀最攀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀Ⰰ 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 昀爀攀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀椀爀 瘀漀眀猀⼀漀愀琀栀猀 攀琀挀㼀 夀漀甀 欀渀漀眀Ⰰഊ>>that part about "...or until the world ends"?
਀㸀㸀ഊ>>Or is that oath only used in the West?
਀㸀㸀ഊ>No; it's uused in Atlantia routinely, and in the Eastrealm the last I 
਀㸀栀攀愀爀搀 ⠀愀戀漀甀琀 愀 礀攀愀爀 戀愀挀欀⤀⸀  䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 琀攀砀琀 眀愀猀 搀攀瘀椀猀攀搀 戀礀 ഊ>Master Kay de la Fleur (Kent Bloom) at least ten years ago.
਀ഊWhen you say "original text" do you mean "as when it was first used
਀椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀∀㼀ഊ
਀䈀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 瘀攀爀猀椀漀渀 甀猀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 搀愀琀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 夀攀愀爀 吀眀漀㬀 䤀ഊcobbled it out of Gondor's oath in _The Return of the King_ and a
਀䘀爀攀渀挀栀 漀愀琀栀 䤀 昀漀甀渀搀 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 戀漀漀欀 猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 漀昀 䌀愀攀爀ⴀ䴀礀爀搀搀椀渀ऀऀ䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊMists/Mists/West				UC Berkeley
਀䄀爀最攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀 挀爀漀猀猀 昀漀爀洀攀✀攀 猀愀戀氀攀ऀऀ搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: MCKAY_MICHAEL at atalla.tandem.COM
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Quote from the Page: Frederick of Holland
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀ 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　㤀㨀㐀㠀㨀㌀㠀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊ
਀吀栀攀 倀愀最攀 ⠀圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 一攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀⤀ 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 爀甀渀渀椀渀最 愀 猀攀爀椀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀䐀甀欀攀猀 漀昀ഊthe West" and I thought Rialto readers might be interested in Flieg's entry
਀椀渀 琀栀攀 䘀攀戀甀愀爀礀 倀愀最攀⸀ഊ
਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ 䌀漀瀀礀 昀爀漀洀 倀愀最攀 ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊPart Twelve in the Dukes of the West series -- Frederick of Holland -- Azure,
਀愀 甀渀椀挀漀爀渀✀猀 栀攀愀搀 挀漀甀瀀攀搀 琀漀 猀椀渀椀猀琀攀爀 愀戀漀瘀攀 琀眀漀 漀瘀漀椀搀 愀渀渀甀氀攀琀猀 挀漀渀樀漀椀渀攀搀 椀渀 昀攀猀猀ഊat their smaller ends, Argent.  Frederick's first reign was as King of the
਀䔀愀猀琀⸀  䠀椀猀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 爀攀椀最渀 眀愀猀 愀猀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀Ⰰ 猀漀 栀攀 眀愀猀 挀爀攀愀琀攀搀 愀 䐀甀欀攀 椀渀ഊin this kingdom and is part of this list.  Frederick defeated Steingrim
਀匀琀攀氀氀愀爀椀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀渀愀氀猀 愀琀 伀挀琀漀戀攀爀 䌀爀漀眀渀 䄀匀 堀嘀⸀  䄀琀 琀栀攀 䌀爀漀眀渀 吀漀甀爀渀攀礀 搀甀爀椀渀最ഊFrederick's reign, His Majesty was given a very large quantity of mushrooms;
਀昀漀爀琀礀 瀀漀甀渀搀猀 漀爀 猀漀 椀昀 洀攀洀漀爀礀 猀攀爀瘀攀猀⸀  䘀爀攀搀攀爀椀挀欀 椀猀 昀愀洀攀搀 昀漀爀 栀椀猀 昀漀渀搀渀攀猀猀 昀漀爀ഊmushrooms.  As March Crowns tend to be, this event was quite cold and damp.
਀吀栀攀 氀愀搀椀攀猀 漀昀 䘀爀攀搀攀爀椀挀欀✀猀 栀漀甀猀攀栀漀氀搀 洀愀搀攀 攀渀漀甀最栀 洀甀猀栀爀漀漀洀 猀漀甀瀀 昀漀爀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀ഊat the event.
਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀ 䔀渀搀 漀昀 挀漀瀀礀 ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊ
਀䄀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 匀瀀爀椀渀最 琀漀 洀椀渀搀⸀  圀栀攀渀 搀椀搀 䘀爀攀搀攀爀椀挀欀 刀唀䔀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀㼀ഊDoes he still like mushrooms (perhaps it is less legendary now)?
਀ഊSean MacKay (aka. MCKAY_MICHAEL at tandem.com)  Caer Darth; Darkwood; Mists; West
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀䐀䘀㈀ 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 爀攀瀀氀礀 琀漀 椀渀昀愀洀礀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ഊDate: 25 Jan 1994 14:43:35 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䌀漀爀渀攀氀氀 䰀愀眀 匀挀栀漀漀氀ഊ
਀ 最猀㄀㈀㤀㜀 愀琀 愀氀戀渀礀瘀洀猀⸀戀椀琀渀攀琀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ
਀ 㸀 椀昀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀愀渀琀猀 琀漀 搀漀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 爀攀愀氀氀礀 眀椀氀搀 ⠀愀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 瀀甀爀攀ഊspeculation)
਀㸀 眀栀礀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 戀爀椀渀最 甀瀀 琀栀攀 䈀漀䐀 漀渀 挀栀愀爀最攀猀 椀渀 愀 挀漀甀爀琀 漀昀 䌀栀椀瘀愀氀爀礀Ⰰ 漀爀 ഊ> better yet a Court of Courtesy.  How Courteous or Chivalrous have their 
਀㸀 愀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 氀愀琀攀 戀攀攀渀Ⰰ 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 眀愀爀爀愀渀琀 猀甀挀栀 愀挀琀椀漀渀㼀㼀 愀渀搀 眀漀甀氀搀 椀琀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀ഊ> mean anything to do so?  just wondering wildly
਀㸀 ഊ> alaric
਀ഊAbout twenty years ago, when the then board transferred a substantial chunk
਀漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 ⠀洀漀猀琀 漀昀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 䴀攀爀椀搀椀攀猀⤀ 琀漀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 愀猀欀椀渀最ഊthe crown of the East for permission, telling the East they were doing it,
਀漀爀 挀漀渀猀甀氀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀栀椀瀀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀昀昀攀挀琀攀搀 愀爀攀愀Ⰰ 䤀 愀挀挀甀猀攀搀 琀栀攀洀ഊof base and dishonorable behavior and asked them to name a champion. They
਀爀攀昀甀猀攀搀⸀ 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 䴀漀渀琀爀漀礀愀氀 ⠀洀椀猀挀愀氀氀攀搀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 琀栀攀 匀栀漀爀琀ⴀⴀ栀攀✀猀 琀愀氀氀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 䤀ഊam) volunteered to champion them (without their permission or
਀攀渀搀漀爀猀攀洀攀渀琀ⴀⴀ琀栀攀 戀漀愀爀搀✀猀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 愀猀 渀漀眀Ⰰ 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀 漀昀ഊthe medieval framework) and beat me.
਀ⴀⴀ ഊDavid/Cariadoc
਀䐀䐀䘀㈀ 愀琀 䌀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀䔀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: mcdaniel at convex.com (Tim McDaniel)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Male to female persona
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㘀 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　　㨀㔀㘀㨀㐀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Engineering, Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx USA
਀ഊqshawn mackinnon <smackinnon at mta.ca> wrote:
਀㸀 䤀 眀愀猀 樀甀猀琀 眀漀渀搀攀爀椀渀最Ⰰ 椀昀 椀琀 眀愀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 洀愀氀攀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 昀攀洀愀氀攀ഊ> persona in the SCA?
਀ഊA small historical note: in the early days of the SCA, women would
਀猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 愀猀猀甀洀攀 洀愀氀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 昀椀最栀琀⸀  ⠀䤀 爀攀愀搀 愀渀 攀愀爀氀礀ഊSCA text on heraldic conflict checking saying that "Since we will never
਀猀攀攀 愀 眀漀洀愀渀 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀攀氀搀 漀昀 栀漀渀漀爀Ⰰ 眀攀 渀攀攀搀 渀漀琀 眀漀爀爀礀 愀猀 洀甀挀栀 愀戀漀甀琀ഊheraldic conflict between ...".)  The rules of the list changed long
਀愀最漀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀⸀ഊ
਀䤀✀瘀攀 漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀 猀攀攀渀 眀漀洀攀渀 椀渀 洀攀渀✀猀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最 愀琀 匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀ഊdon't recall seeing men in women's clothing.  Much like modern society,
਀挀漀洀攀 琀漀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 椀琀 ⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀㸀 䄀渀搀 眀栀漀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 礀漀甀 琀愀氀欀 琀漀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀 挀爀漀猀猀 最攀渀搀攀爀攀搀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀猀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀椀渀最⸀  䤀渀 最攀渀攀爀愀氀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 挀愀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀ഊwhat you're wearing, and the few that do generally won't say anything to
਀礀漀甀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀 ⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀礀 洀愀礀Ⰰ 愀氀愀猀Ⰰ 洀愀欀攀 猀渀椀搀攀 爀攀洀愀爀欀猀 戀攀栀椀渀搀 漀渀攀✀猀ഊback about the quality of one's research, fabric, or sewing skills).
਀ഊYou don't *need* any approval.  I suggest that you just do it very well.
਀ⴀⴀ ഊTim McDaniel, Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, TX (near Dallas)
਀䤀昀 洀挀搀愀渀椀攀氀 愀琀 挀漀渀瘀攀砀⸀挀漀洀 昀愀椀氀猀Ⰰ 琀爀礀 洀挀搀愀渀椀攀氀 愀琀 挀漀渀瘀攀砀⸀挀漀渀瘀攀砀⸀挀漀洀 漀爀ഊ   mcdaniel at mozart.convex.com
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 樀甀氀椀昀漀氀漀 愀琀 甀砀㄀⸀挀猀漀⸀甀椀甀挀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀眀愀琀欀椀渀猀 樀甀氀椀愀 欀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀愀氀 漀搀搀椀琀椀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀ഊDate: 15 Feb 1994 06:40:48 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䤀氀氀椀渀漀椀猀 愀琀 唀爀戀愀渀愀ഊ
਀挀漀爀氀椀猀猀 愀琀 栀愀氀⸀倀䠀礀猀椀挀猀⸀眀愀礀渀攀⸀䔀䐀唀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䨀⸀ 䌀漀爀氀椀猀猀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>Dorothy Heydt wrote:
਀ഊ> > Don't forget the guy who won the Crown of the Midrealm and hocked it.
਀㸀 㸀 䤀✀瘀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 栀攀愀爀 洀漀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀⸀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀㸀䄀猀 䤀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀爀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 椀渀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 昀攀氀琀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 栀攀 眀愀猀 䬀椀渀最Ⰰഊ>the Crown was his personal property and could be disposed of as he saw fit. 
਀㸀吀栀攀 洀攀琀愀氀 䌀爀漀眀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 戀甀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀渀攀猀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 愀渀搀 猀漀氀搀⸀ ഊ>It was restored, with one setting remaining empty to this day in memory. 
਀ഊ➢ Beorthwine
ਧꈀ ഊThis was, of course, the infamous Michael of BoarsHaven who had the
਀洀椀猀昀漀爀琀甀渀攀Ⰰ 琀漀 焀甀漀琀攀 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 搀✀䄀氀猀愀挀攀 ⠀琀栀攀渀 䴀椀搀刀攀愀氀洀 猀攀渀攀猀挀栀愀氀⤀Ⰰ 漀昀ഊreading THE CORPORA and believing it. To make a long story short,
਀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 眀愀猀 愀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀椀漀甀猀 欀椀渀最Ⰰ 眀栀漀 昀攀甀搀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 栀椀猀 焀甀攀攀渀Ⰰ 栀椀猀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀Ⰰഊthe king before him and the king after him. His queen, Zarina Daeth,
਀愀戀搀椀挀愀琀攀搀 眀栀攀渀 猀栀攀 挀漀甀氀搀渀✀琀 琀愀欀攀 栀椀猀 愀琀琀椀琀甀搀攀猀 愀渀礀洀漀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 栀攀 愀戀搀椀挀愀琀攀搀Ⰰഊhoping that--as was indicated by CORPORA--he would inconvenience the
਀䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 戀礀 昀漀爀挀椀渀最 琀栀攀洀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 挀爀漀眀渀 琀漀甀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀 琀漀 挀漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀ഊmonth of April. This, of course, proved unfeasible, and we who were
਀漀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀刀攀愀氀洀 挀甀爀椀愀 洀攀爀攀氀礀 猀椀最渀攀搀 愀 瀀爀漀挀氀愀洀愀琀椀漀渀 猀琀愀琀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 䄀氀戀攀爀琀Ⰰഊthe tanist, was King. Albert and his princess were later crowned, but
਀栀攀 爀攀椀最渀攀搀 昀漀爀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 洀漀渀琀栀猀 愀猀 甀渀挀爀漀眀渀攀搀 欀椀渀最 ⠀椀渀挀氀甀搀椀渀最 愀琀 琀栀攀ഊSociety Decennial).
਀ഊMichael was angered by this and, accordingly, refused to return the
਀䌀爀漀眀渀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀⸀ 䄀氀戀攀爀琀 昀椀氀攀搀 愀 猀甀椀琀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀ഊMichael (in small claims court), and Michael counter-sued. This
਀昀愀爀挀攀 眀攀渀琀 漀渀 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 琀眀漀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀愀渀挀攀猀 椀渀 挀漀甀爀琀Ⰰ 愀昀琀攀爀 眀栀椀挀栀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀✀猀ഊlawyer (who was giving him free advice) quit. Michael then called
਀䄀氀戀攀爀琀 愀渀搀 猀愀椀搀 栀攀 眀愀猀 琀椀爀攀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 猀椀琀甀愀琀椀漀渀 愀渀搀 琀漀 挀漀洀攀 愀渀搀ഊget the crowns. Albert did, and Michael called the police to say
਀琀栀愀琀 䄀氀戀攀爀琀 栀愀搀 樀甀猀琀 猀琀漀氀攀渀 栀椀猀 挀爀漀眀渀猀⸀ 䔀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 眀愀猀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 漀甀琀Ⰰഊand the states attorney essentially told us all that he didn't want
਀琀漀 栀攀愀爀 愀渀礀琀栀椀渀最 洀漀爀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀椀猀⸀ഊ
਀䐀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀 挀爀漀眀渀猀Ⰰ 栀攀 愀渀搀 栀椀猀 爀漀漀洀洀愀琀攀 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀ഊplayed football with them and pried out one of the gems to see if
਀椀琀 眀愀猀 眀漀爀琀栀 愀渀礀 洀漀渀攀礀 ⠀椀琀 眀愀猀渀✀琀⤀⸀ 圀栀攀渀 䄀氀戀攀爀琀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 琀栀攀 挀爀漀眀渀Ⰰഊhe commanded that it never be repaired and that future kings and queens
਀戀攀 猀栀漀眀渀 琀栀攀 挀爀漀眀渀猀 愀渀搀 琀漀氀搀 琀栀攀 猀愀搀 猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀⸀ ⠀䈀吀圀Ⰰ 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀✀猀ഊclaim was that the crowns, etc. had been given to him and that he had
਀渀攀瘀攀爀 戀攀攀渀 琀漀氀搀 琀栀攀礀 戀攀氀漀渀最攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⤀ഊ
਀䴀漀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 椀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 椀渀 漀甀爀 䈀刀䤀䔀䘀 䠀䤀匀吀伀刀夀 伀䘀 吀䠀䔀ഊMIDDLE KINGDOM, TALES OF THE MIDLANDS KINGS and TRUE HISTORY OF WURM
਀圀䄀䰀䐀⸀ 䤀 眀愀猀Ⰰ 䈀吀圀Ⰰ 愀 挀氀漀猀攀 昀爀椀攀渀搀 漀昀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀✀猀 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 琀漀 猀攀攀ഊhim the last time we happened to meet. Unfortunately, he should never
਀栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 䬀椀渀最 ⠀栀攀 眀漀渀 栀椀猀 挀爀漀眀渀 眀栀攀渀 栀攀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 愀 洀攀洀戀攀爀 昀漀爀 漀渀氀礀ഊabout a year). At the risk of sounding allegorically political, in
਀琀栀攀 戀攀最椀渀渀椀渀最 漀昀 栀椀猀 爀攀椀最渀Ⰰ 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 昀攀氀琀 琀栀愀琀 眀栀愀琀 栀攀 眀愀猀 搀漀椀渀最 栀攀ഊwas doing for the good of the Society.
਀ഊYrs, Damin de Folo
਀圀栀漀 圀愀猀 吀栀攀爀攀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: mabr at sweden.hp.com (Morgan "the Dreamer" Broman)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Trading Cards (Drachenwald)
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㔀 䘀攀戀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㈀㨀㐀㈀㨀　㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: HP/SCA/SKA/FSTS/AMTS/SLRP/ETC Sweden
਀ഊMMS6824 at tntech.EDU wrote:
਀㨀䨀甀猀琀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 甀瀀 琀漀 搀愀琀攀㨀ഊ
਀㨀䠀椀猀 䴀漀猀琀 最爀愀挀椀漀甀猀 䴀愀樀攀猀琀礀Ⰰ 䴀漀爀最愀渀 漀昀 䐀爀愀挀栀攀渀眀愀氀搀㨀ഊ:>	My dear Lady, would you want the complete set, with Princes and all
਀㨀㸀漀爀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀 儀甀攀攀渀猀⸀ 䤀✀洀 猀漀爀爀礀 琀漀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 愀 搀甀瀀氀椀挀愀琀攀ഊ:>if you want them all.... ;) ?
਀㨀㸀ऀ吀栀攀 瀀爀椀挀攀 椀猀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀攀氀礀 渀攀最漀琀椀愀戀氀攀⸀ 䤀昀 䴀礀䰀愀搀礀 椀猀 瀀氀愀渀渀椀渀最 琀漀 愀琀琀攀渀搀ഊ:>Pennsic this year, then maybe we can work something out....!
਀㨀㸀伀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 瀀爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 昀漀爀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 洀攀琀栀漀搀猀 漀昀 瀀愀礀洀攀渀琀 愀爀攀 㨀ഊ:>	Hugs
਀㨀㸀ऀ匀漀渀最猀ഊ:>	Stories
਀㨀㸀ऀ䈀愀挀欀爀甀戀猀ഊ:>	Chocolate-chip cookies
਀㨀㸀ऀ⠀䈀漀漀稀攀⤀Ⰰ 甀渀氀攀猀猀 椀琀 椀猀 䌀愀瀀琀愀椀渀 䴀漀爀最愀渀猀 匀瀀椀挀攀搀 刀甀洀 ℀℀℀℀℀ഊ
਀㨀䜀漀漀搀 愀渀搀 䜀攀渀琀氀攀 䬀椀渀最 䴀漀爀最愀渀Ⰰഊ
਀㨀ऀ圀栀愀琀 愀渀 漀昀昀攀爀 礀漀甀 瀀爀漀瀀漀猀攀⸀  䴀礀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 眀愀猀 樀甀猀琀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最猀 愀渀搀ഊ:Queens, however, now that you mention the others...., and surely a duplicate of
਀㨀礀漀甀爀猀攀氀昀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 戀攀 愀 戀愀搀 琀栀椀渀最⸀  ഊ
਀ऀ吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀 洀礀 䰀愀搀礀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 搀漀甀戀琀 琀栀攀 攀渀琀椀爀攀 䬀渀漀眀渀 圀漀爀氀搀 眀漀甀氀搀 愀最爀攀攀ഊwith your kind assessment.... Some people would probably rather freeze to
਀搀攀愀琀栀 琀栀愀渀 栀愀瘀攀 琀眀漀 漀昀 夀漀甀爀猀 吀爀甀氀礀 愀爀漀甀渀搀⸀⸀⸀ 㬀⤀ഊ
਀㨀ऀ䤀 眀椀氀氀 洀漀猀琀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀攀氀礀 戀攀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀Ⰰ 爀攀猀椀搀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 洀礀 昀愀洀椀氀礀Ⰰ 䌀氀愀渀渀ഊ:Kyle.  Perchance, will you be doing the negotiating yourself, or will you send a
਀㨀爀攀瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀愀琀椀瘀攀㼀  䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀琀攀 琀漀 戀攀 最椀瘀椀渀最 瘀愀氀甀愀戀氀攀 栀甀最猀 琀漀 爀攀瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀愀琀椀瘀攀 琀漀ഊ:pass along.  Not to mention the very delicate process of determining the price
਀㨀漀昀 攀愀挀栀 爀漀礀愀氀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀⸀  吀栀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀 挀漀甀氀搀 琀愀欀攀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 搀攀愀氀 漀昀 琀椀洀攀 漀渀 戀漀琀栀 漀昀ഊ:our parts.
਀㨀夀漀甀爀✀猀 椀渀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 ⴀ 䴀愀爀椀愀渀ഊ
਀ऀ䤀 洀甀猀琀 猀愀礀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 搀攀琀攀爀洀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀挀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 椀渀 琀栀椀猀 挀愀猀攀ഊbe entirely up to Mylady. It would not cross my mind to embarrass a Lady
਀戀礀 栀愀最最氀椀渀最 ⠀猀瀀㼀⤀ 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀挀攀⸀⸀⸀⸀栀漀渀漀甀爀 昀漀爀戀椀搀⸀⸀⸀ 㬀⤀ ℀ഊ
਀ऀ䄀猀 昀愀爀 愀猀 琀栀攀 刀漀礀愀氀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀猀 最漀攀猀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 ㈀㘀 倀爀椀渀挀攀猀 ഊand Pricessess, 2 Kings and Queens so far....hm...28 couples all in
਀愀氀氀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀倀爀椀渀挀攀攀猀 ☀ 倀爀椀渀挀攀猀猀攀猀ऀऀ倀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 一漀琀攀猀ഊ=====================		==============
਀ഊJahn & Tuiren (AS XV)
਀䈀攀愀爀攀渀最愀攀爀 ☀ 一椀最攀 ⠀䄀匀 堀嘀⤀ഊDavid & Catheryn
਀䐀漀爀椀渀 ☀ 䌀愀琀栀攀爀礀渀ഊRaim & Regina
਀圀漀氀昀 ☀ 䌀愀琀爀椀漀渀愀ഊAlexander & Katya
਀䜀愀氀攀渀 ☀ 䬀愀礀氀椀琀栀愀ഊRaim & Gwynna
਀䐀愀昀礀搀搀 ☀ 䴀漀爀最愀渀ഊRichard & Joedda (AS XX)
਀圀甀氀昀戀爀愀渀搀 ☀ 䰀甀挀椀氀氀愀 ⠀䄀匀 堀堀ഊJustin & Gyth
਀唀氀爀椀挀 ☀ 䔀氀攀漀渀漀爀愀ഊIvar & Kathleen
਀䜀眀攀渀氀氀栀椀愀渀 ☀ 匀琀攀昀愀渀ഊAxel & Jean-Maire
਀䤀愀渀 ☀ 䌀栀愀爀椀琀攀攀ഊYoshina & Evonne
਀䈀爀礀漀渀 ☀ 匀椀氀攀猀椀愀ഊKarl & Bettina (XXV)
਀䌀椀愀渀 ☀ 䌀愀琀栀攀爀椀渀攀 ⠀堀堀嘀⤀ഊMorgan & Alienor
਀䴀礀氀攀猀 ☀ 䬀愀琀栀愀爀椀渀愀ഊGareth & Idunn
਀䬀愀爀氀 ☀ 䰀攀椀愀ഊ
਀䬀椀渀最猀 ☀ 儀甀攀攀渀猀ഊ==============
਀䔀氀昀昀椀渀 ☀ 嘀愀渀渀愀ഊMorgan & Alienor
਀ഊThat's the list.... ;)
਀ഊCiao
਀䴀漀爀最愀渀⼀⼀ഊWho think we should never forget why we do this !!! ;) ;) ;)
਀ഊ--
਀䠀倀   㨀 䴀漀爀最愀渀 䈀爀漀洀愀渀ऀऀऀऀ洀愀戀爀 愀琀 猀眀攀搀攀渀⸀栀瀀⸀挀漀洀ഊSCA  : Morgan deGrey, Master of the Freehold Ravens Crag
਀䄀倀䐀ⴀ䤀㨀 匀栀愀搀攀ഊAmtgard : Morlacad ShadowHawk a.k.a Shade
਀ⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀⴀഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 瀀愀琀琀椀攀 愀琀 栀愀爀爀礀⸀氀氀漀礀搀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀倀愀琀琀椀攀 䴀挀䜀爀攀最漀爀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 匀栀漀眀椀渀最 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 椀渀 愀 ∀戀愀搀 氀椀最栀琀∀ഊDate: 4 Mar 1994 22:50:50 -0800
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䄀 䈀䄀刀刀渀攀琀 挀甀猀琀漀洀攀爀ഊSummary: where the publications policy came from
਀ഊMy news software has spooled this and lost it twice. I hope 
਀琀栀椀猀 椀猀渀✀琀 愀 爀攀瀀攀愀琀 昀漀爀 愀渀礀漀渀攀⸀  猀⸀ഊ========================================
਀ഊGood Gentles:
਀ഊSeveral folks have recently been asking questions about this passage from
਀琀栀攀 挀漀爀爀攀猀瀀漀渀搀攀渀挀攀 昀爀漀洀 吀刀䴀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 一攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 吀䤀⸀ഊMany have asked about how the publications policy came into existence
਀眀栀椀挀栀 愀氀氀漀眀猀 琀栀椀猀 猀漀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 瘀愀氀椀搀愀琀攀搀 戀礀 瀀漀氀椀挀礀⸀ഊ>
਀㸀㸀吀⸀䤀⸀Ⰰ 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 爀攀瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀猀 愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀ഊ>>Society has to offer - it justifies our charter, and exhibits our
਀㸀㸀瀀漀氀椀挀椀攀猀⸀ 䄀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 愀爀攀 洀愀樀漀爀 倀刀 琀漀漀氀猀 琀栀愀琀 爀攀愀挀栀ഊ>>public libraries, schools, and museums. Because of such contact with
਀㸀㸀∀洀甀渀搀愀渀攀 猀漀挀椀攀琀礀∀ ⴀ 椀琀 瘀椀漀氀愀琀攀猀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 䌀栀爀漀渀椀挀氀攀爀✀猀 瀀漀氀椀挀椀攀猀 琀漀ഊ>>publish editorials or advertisements which show the SCA in a bad
਀㸀㸀氀椀最栀琀⸀ ⠀䤀琀 椀猀 氀椀欀攀 愀椀爀椀渀最 搀椀爀琀礀 氀愀甀渀搀爀礀⸀⤀ 䤀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 䈀漀愀爀搀 琀爀礀椀渀最ഊ>>to censor, it is a long established policy enacted to protect the SCA
਀㸀㸀昀爀漀洀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀 挀爀椀琀椀挀椀猀洀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 愀渀礀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀椀猀 瀀漀氀椀挀礀ഊ>>contact either the Kingdom Chronicler or the Society Chronicler.
਀ഊMea Culpa. I'm the original culprit.
਀ഊIn the original Publications Policy, which I wrote (with lots of help
਀昀爀漀洀 漀琀栀攀爀 䌀栀爀漀渀椀挀氀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 琀栀攀渀ⴀ猀琀攀眀愀爀搀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 搀椀爀攀挀琀椀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀ഊnothing in the newsletters should show the SCA in a bad light.
਀ഊAt that time we worried about drunkenness, paganism, sex, etc.
਀∀匀眀攀攀琀 戀甀渀猀∀ 愀渀搀 ∀圀攀琀 挀栀攀洀椀猀攀∀ 挀漀渀琀攀猀琀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀愀洀瀀愀渀琀Ⰰ 愀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀猀ഊsuch as "This site is dry; if you must bring alcohol, keep it hidden." Our
਀猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀 眀愀猀 琀漀 渀漀琀 漀昀昀攀渀搀 琀栀攀 昀愀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 愀 ㄀㘀ⴀ礀攀愀爀 漀氀搀 最椀爀氀 ഊwho asked to  go to an event, or the postal worker who thumbed through 
਀愀 渀攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 搀攀氀椀瘀攀爀椀渀最 椀琀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 椀琀 琀漀 戀攀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀  猀焀甀愀猀栀 搀椀猀猀攀渀琀椀渀最 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 匀椀氀氀礀 洀攀Ⰰഊexpecting my values to be carried throughout a rational, thinking organization.
਀ഊPersonally, I think an active discussion about the organization 
਀漀昀 琀栀攀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 愀 猀椀最渀 漀昀 栀攀愀氀琀栀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀✀洀 渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀 椀渀 愀 ഊposition to do anything about that.  :-(
਀ഊ   siobhan
਀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀 ഊSiobhan Medhbh O'Roarke
਀  匀栀愀爀椀渀最 栀攀爀 琀椀洀攀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 䌀爀漀猀猀琀漀渀 ☀                   ㌀　㘀　 刀椀搀最攀氀椀渀攀 䐀爀椀瘀攀ഊ  Golden Rivers                                         Rescue, CA 95672
਀  瀀愀琀 愀琀 挀礀最渀甀猀⸀挀漀洀                                        ⠀㤀㄀㘀⤀ 㘀㜀㜀ⴀ㘀㘀　㜀ഊ  siobhan at lloyd.com                                     (415) 903-1448 (days)
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀愀猀挀　㔀㜀㔀 愀琀 甀挀猀猀甀渀㄀⸀猀搀猀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䌀⸀ 䬀攀瘀椀渀 䬀攀氀氀漀最最⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 洀挀⸀氀挀猀⸀洀椀琀⸀攀搀甀ഊDate: 3 Mar 1994 19:19:20 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀愀渀 䐀椀攀最漀 匀琀愀琀攀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀椀渀最 匀攀爀瘀椀挀攀猀ഊ
਀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀 ⠀䐀䐀䘀㈀ 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀⤀ 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ: > Corpora doesn't forbid
਀㨀 㸀 猀甀爀昀攀爀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀猀 琀漀搀愀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀✀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 栀攀愀爀搀 漀昀 漀渀攀⸀  䠀愀瘀攀 礀漀甀㼀ഊ
਀㨀 一漀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 愀洀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 猀甀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 椀渀 匀漀甀琀栀攀爀渀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀 琀栀愀琀 眀椀氀氀ഊ: remain nameless gave a laurel for photography. It was a long time ago.
਀ഊ	Yes, your Grace, Caid did indeed do this, many, many years ago.
਀圀攀✀瘀攀 爀攀最爀攀琀攀搀 椀琀 攀瘀攀爀 猀椀渀挀攀⸀  圀攀 眀漀渀✀琀 攀瘀攀爀 搀漀 椀琀 愀最愀椀渀⸀  圀攀 瀀爀漀洀椀猀攀Ⰰഊreally. Cross our hearts. Nope, not us. :-)
਀ഊ: David/Cariadoc
਀㨀 䐀䐀䘀㈀ 愀琀 䌀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀䔀搀甀ഊ
਀ऀऀऀऀ䄀瘀攀渀攀氀 䬀攀氀氀漀甀最栀ഊ
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 瀀愀甀氀戀 愀琀 猀愀琀甀爀渀⸀甀愀爀欀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀倀愀甀氀 䄀⸀ 䈀礀攀爀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 漀愀欀 猀瀀攀愀爀猀㼀ഊDate: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 08:59:35
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䄀爀欀愀渀猀愀猀ഊ
਀樀愀戀㈀ 愀琀 猀琀氀⸀猀琀挀⸀挀漀⸀甀欀 ⠀䨀攀渀渀椀昀攀爀 䄀渀渀 䈀爀愀礀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ
਀㸀䤀渀 琀栀攀 ∀氀愀眀猀甀椀琀∀ 琀栀爀攀愀搀 䤀 猀愀眀 愀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 漀愀欀 猀瀀攀愀爀猀 戀攀椀渀最 戀愀渀渀攀搀 椀渀ഊ>SCA combat on safety grounds. I'm curious as we fight with metal
਀ഊThe problem with hardwood spears was that they hit too hard. At a Pensic 
਀䐀甀挀栀攀猀猀 匀椀昀 漀昀 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 眀愀猀 栀椀琀 栀愀爀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 挀愀甀猀攀 愀 戀爀甀猀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀愀挀欀 琀栀愀琀 ഊsurrounds the heart. (was a bad  thing!)  A SCA MD wrote the BOD that he would 
਀戀攀 眀椀氀氀椀渀最 琀漀 琀攀猀琀椀昀礀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 匀䌀䄀 䤀渀挀⸀ ഊ
਀吀栀攀 昀椀戀攀爀最氀愀猀猀 猀瀀攀愀爀猀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀椀琀 愀猀 栀愀爀搀 愀猀 琀栀攀 漀氀搀 漀愀欀 漀渀攀猀⸀ ⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 ✀䐀✀ ഊbucket handled ones come close.
਀ഊPavel
਀䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: DDF2 at cornell.edu (David Friedman)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: no quarterstaffs
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀ 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　㌀㨀㄀㄀㨀㈀㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Cornell Law School
਀ഊI cannot speak for any other kingdom, but the original reason for banning
਀焀甀愀爀琀攀爀猀琀愀昀昀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 眀愀猀 猀愀昀攀琀礀⸀ 䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 欀渀漀眀 椀昀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 爀椀最栀琀ⴀⴀ眀攀ഊknew less then than we know now, and we don't know very much now--but that
਀眀愀猀 琀栀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀⸀ 䄀猀 䤀 爀攀挀愀氀氀Ⰰ 眀攀 琀爀椀攀搀 猀眀椀渀最椀渀最 漀渀攀 愀琀 愀 琀爀攀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀ഊnone of us wanted to be the tree.
਀ഊDavid/Cariadoc
਀䐀䐀䘀㈀ 愀琀 䌀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀䔀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: f&sf writers in the SCA (was re:authenticity)
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㠀 䄀瀀爀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㘀㨀㌀㔀㨀㔀㌀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of California, Berkeley
਀ഊTRISTAN CLAIR DE LUNE/KEN MONDSCHEIN <v081lu33 at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu> wrote:
਀㸀ऀ䄀氀猀漀Ⰰ 搀漀渀✀琀 昀漀爀最攀琀 刀漀戀攀爀琀 䄀猀瀀爀椀渀 ⠀夀愀渀最 琀栀攀 一愀甀猀攀愀琀椀渀最⤀ 愀渀搀 漀甀爀 瘀攀爀礀ഊ>own Dorothea of Caer Myrdinn (sp?). And, it goes without saying, Diana
਀ഊCaer-Myrddin, actually.
਀ഊ>Listmaker (Diana Paxson) and Marion Zimmer Bradley (who's SCA name escapes me).
਀㸀匀攀攀㼀 䄀氀氀 琀栀攀 渀椀昀琀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀氀甀戀⸀ഊ
਀䐀漀渀✀琀 昀漀爀最攀琀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 猀瀀爀漀甀琀攀搀 漀甀琀 漀昀 昀愀渀搀漀洀⸀  吀栀攀 眀愀礀 䐀椀愀渀愀ഊtells it begins,
਀ഊ	Once upon a time there was a scholar who lived in an
਀ऀ椀瘀漀爀礀 琀漀眀攀爀⸀  䤀渀 琀栀愀琀 琀漀眀攀爀 氀椀瘀攀搀 洀愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 猀挀栀漀氀愀爀猀 眀栀漀ഊ	spent their days reading books and writing papers about
਀ऀ眀栀愀琀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 猀挀栀漀氀愀爀 栀愀搀 猀愀椀搀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 猀挀栀漀氀愀爀 栀愀搀 猀愀椀搀ഊ	ANOTHER scholar had said they used to do in the Middle Ages.
਀ഊ	But the scholar of whom I speak was more fortunate, for
਀ऀ猀栀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 氀攀昀琀 琀栀攀 椀瘀漀爀礀 琀漀眀攀爀 愀渀搀 眀攀渀琀 搀漀眀渀 椀渀琀漀ഊ	the town, where she had friends of a most uncommon sort,
਀ऀ眀栀漀 瀀氀愀礀攀搀 愀 最愀洀攀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 昀愀渀搀漀洀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 昀攀氀氀 椀渀琀漀 琀眀漀 挀愀琀攀最漀爀椀攀猀㨀 ⠀愀⤀ഊfandom (b) people who saw the flyer and were interested enough to
਀昀漀氀氀漀眀 椀琀 甀瀀⸀  䴀漀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 眀攀爀攀 昀愀爀 攀渀漀甀最栀 漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀✀瘀攀ഊbeen in fandom if they'd ever heard of it.
਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
਀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀䴀椀猀琀猀⼀圀攀猀琀ऀऀऀ唀䌀 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊArgent, a cross forme'e sable		djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䐀䐀䘀㈀ 愀琀 挀漀爀渀攀氀氀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 䘀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䐀甀欀攀 䄀渀最甀猀✀猀 琀爀椀愀氀 ⴀ 爀攀猀甀氀琀ഊDate: 12 Apr 1994 04:28:51 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 䌀漀爀渀攀氀氀 䰀愀眀 匀挀栀漀漀氀ഊ
਀䈀攀琀琀椀渀愀 䠀攀氀洀猀 眀爀椀琀攀猀 ഊ> But what I was
਀㸀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 猀愀礀 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 ㄀⤀ 刀愀欀欀甀爀愀椀 栀愀猀 愀渀 攀瘀椀氀 爀攀瀀甀琀愀琀椀漀渀 ⠀搀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 漀爀ഊ> otherwise) and 2) he's part of East Kingdom history regardless of what
਀㸀 愀渀礀戀漀搀礀 琀栀椀渀欀猀 漀昀 栀椀洀 漀爀 猀愀礀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 栀椀洀ഊ
਀䤀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 椀昀 ㄀ 椀猀 琀爀甀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 椀昀 椀琀 爀攀昀氀攀挀琀猀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 礀漀甀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀ഊto have talked with. Rakkurai got involved in a very messy feud with his
਀攀砀ⴀ昀爀椀攀渀搀 ⠀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 攀砀ⴀ猀焀甀椀爀攀⤀ 匀栀氀漀洀漀 戀攀渀 匀栀氀漀洀漀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 甀渀昀漀爀琀甀渀愀琀攀ഊfor the kingdom, since people tended to take sides. But I would not have
਀猀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 眀愀猀 愀 猀瀀攀挀琀愀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 戀愀搀 欀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀洀 挀甀爀椀漀甀猀 愀猀 琀漀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 栀攀ഊhas really attained that status in EK folklore.
਀ഊIncidentally, I encountered Barry Green (Rakkurai) within the last year or
਀猀漀ⴀⴀ栀攀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 昀椀渀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 渀漀琀 漀戀瘀椀漀甀猀氀礀 栀椀搀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 愀渀礀漀渀攀⸀ഊ-- 
਀䐀愀瘀椀搀⼀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊDDF2 at Cornell.Edu
਀ഊ
਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䈀攀琀琀椀渀愀⸀䠀攀氀洀猀 愀琀 昀㌀㠀⸀渀㄀㄀㈀⸀稀㄀⸀椀渀琀攀爀瀀栀愀猀攀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䈀攀琀琀椀渀愀 䠀攀氀洀猀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 䐀甀欀攀 䄀渀最甀猀✀猀 琀爀椀愀氀 ⴀ 爀攀猀甀氀琀ഊDate: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 00:01:38 -0500
਀ഊ -=> Quoting David Friedman to All <=-
਀ഊ DF> Bettina Helms writes
਀ഊ > But what I was
਀ 㸀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀 猀愀礀 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 ㄀⤀ 刀愀欀欀甀爀愀椀 栀愀猀 愀渀 攀瘀椀氀 爀攀瀀甀琀愀琀椀漀渀 ⠀搀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 漀爀ഊ > otherwise) and 2) he's part of East Kingdom history regardless of what
਀ 㸀 愀渀礀戀漀搀礀 琀栀椀渀欀猀 漀昀 栀椀洀 漀爀 猀愀礀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 栀椀洀ഊ
਀ 䐀䘀㸀 䤀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 椀昀 ㄀ 椀猀 琀爀甀攀Ⰰ 漀爀 椀昀 椀琀 爀攀昀氀攀挀琀猀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 礀漀甀ഊ DF> happen to have talked with....
਀ഊIt is definitely true that Rakkurai has an evil reputation among people
਀眀栀漀 最攀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 愀琀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀椀爀搀 栀愀渀搀 ⠀愀猀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 搀漀攀猀 眀栀漀ഊwasn't there at the time). It is not necessarily true that he *deserves*
਀椀琀 ⴀ 漀渀氀礀 栀椀猀 挀氀漀猀攀 愀挀焀甀愀椀渀琀愀渀挀攀猀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 昀漀爀 猀甀爀攀⸀ 䄀渀搀 椀琀 椀猀 焀甀椀琀攀ഊtrue that he is and always will be part of East Kingdom history -
਀愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 猀氀愀渀琀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀搀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 戀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀琀攀 漀爀 搀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀 攀椀琀栀攀爀⸀ഊ
਀ 䐀䘀㸀 䈀甀琀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 猀愀椀搀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 眀愀猀 愀 猀瀀攀挀琀愀挀甀氀愀爀氀礀 戀愀搀 欀椀渀最Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊ DF> am curious as to whether he has really attained that status in EK
਀ 䐀䘀㸀 昀漀氀欀氀漀爀攀⸀ഊ
਀夀攀猀Ⰰ 夀漀甀爀 䜀爀愀挀攀Ⰰ 栀攀 栀愀猀⸀ 夀漀甀 漀昀 愀氀氀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 欀渀漀眀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀 ∀昀漀氀欀ഊprocessing" of history works, since you are widely remembered as "the
਀欀椀渀最 眀栀漀 搀攀挀氀愀爀攀搀 眀愀爀 漀渀 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀 ⴀ 愀渀搀 氀漀猀琀∀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 攀瘀攀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀 礀漀甀 栀愀搀ഊleft the throne of the Middle by the time you moved to the East, and did
਀渀漀琀 眀椀渀 䌀爀漀眀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 甀渀琀椀氀 愀昀琀攀爀 礀漀甀 栀愀搀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 眀愀爀 愀爀爀漀眀ഊ(to Rakkurai, as a matter of fact). It makes a better story the other
਀眀愀礀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 椀琀 最攀琀猀 琀漀氀搀⸀ഊ
਀刀愀欀欀甀爀愀椀 椀猀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀攀搀 愀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 戀礀 昀愀爀 琀栀攀 氀漀渀最攀猀琀 爀攀椀最渀 漀昀 愀渀礀 欀椀渀最 漀昀ഊthe East (although I believe the records show that Murad's was slightly
਀氀漀渀最攀爀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀爀椀攀搀 琀漀 愀瘀漀椀搀 栀愀渀搀椀渀最 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 挀爀漀眀渀 戀礀 爀攀昀甀猀椀渀最ഊto hold a Crown Tourney and/or repeatedly postponing it (which may not
਀戀攀 琀爀甀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 氀攀愀猀琀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 䌀爀漀眀渀猀 眀攀爀攀 栀攀氀搀 愀琀 ⨀栀椀最栀氀礀⨀ 椀爀爀攀最甀氀愀爀ഊintervals). It makes a more dramatic story that way.
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਀ ⨀ 伀爀椀最椀渀㨀 吀栀攀 圀爀椀琀攀爀✀猀 䈀氀漀挀欀Ⰰ 䨀愀挀欀猀漀渀瘀椀氀氀攀 䘀䰀 ⨀ 㤀　㐀⼀㌀㤀㤀ⴀ㠀㠀㔀㐀 ⠀㄀㨀㄀㄀㈀⼀㌀㠀⸀　⤀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: memorman at happy.uccs.edu
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: re: list of notables
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㤀 䴀愀礀 㤀㐀 ㄀㜀㨀㐀㄀㨀㈀㈀ 䴀䐀吀ഊOrganization: University of Colorado at Boulder
਀ഊarval disputes my identification of karina of the far west
਀⠀欀愀爀攀渀 愀渀搀攀爀猀漀渀⤀ 愀猀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 氀愀甀爀攀氀 焀甀攀攀渀 愀琀 愀爀洀猀 ⠀瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀ഊbetter to say, the first laurel sovreign at arms.  while
਀琀栀椀猀 洀愀礀 眀攀氀氀 戀攀 琀爀甀攀Ⰰ 洀礀 洀攀洀漀爀椀攀猀 最漀 戀愀挀欀 瘀攀爀礀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀ഊto as ten when she was running submissions nearly single-
਀栀愀渀搀攀搀氀礀 愀渀搀 愀瘀攀爀愀最攀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀 瀀愀猀猀攀搀 眀愀猀 椀渀ഊyears not months. wilhelm took over soon after that and 
਀猀琀爀攀愀洀氀椀渀攀搀⼀爀攀漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀⸀  椀昀 欀愀爀椀渀愀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀ഊthe first head of the college of heralds, does anyone know
਀眀栀漀 眀愀猀㼀ഊ
਀攀氀愀椀渀愀 搀攀 猀椀渀椀猀琀爀攀Ⰰ 漀⸀瀀⸀  挀甀爀爀攀渀琀氀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀甀琀氀愀渀搀猀ഊ-- 
਀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀ഊ* memorman at uccs.edu
਀⨀ 洀愀爀礀 洀漀爀洀愀渀ഊ* university of colorado, colorado springs
਀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀⨀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: locksley at indirect.com (Joe Bethancourt)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: list of notables
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀　 䴀愀礀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　㜀㨀㔀㈀㨀㌀　 䜀䴀吀ഊ
਀洀攀洀漀爀洀愀渀 愀琀 栀愀瀀瀀礀⸀甀挀挀猀⸀攀搀甀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ: arval disputes my identification of karina of the far west
਀㨀 ⠀欀愀爀攀渀 愀渀搀攀爀猀漀渀⤀ 愀猀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 氀愀甀爀攀氀 焀甀攀攀渀 愀琀 愀爀洀猀 ⠀瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀ഊ: better to say, the first laurel sovreign at arms.  while
਀㨀 琀栀椀猀 洀愀礀 眀攀氀氀 戀攀 琀爀甀攀Ⰰ 洀礀 洀攀洀漀爀椀攀猀 最漀 戀愀挀欀 瘀攀爀礀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀ഊ: to as ten when she was running submissions nearly single-
਀㨀 栀愀渀搀攀搀氀礀 愀渀搀 愀瘀攀爀愀最攀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀 搀攀瘀椀挀攀 瀀愀猀猀攀搀 眀愀猀 椀渀ഊ: years not months. wilhelm took over soon after that and 
਀㨀 猀琀爀攀愀洀氀椀渀攀搀⼀爀攀漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀挀攀猀猀⸀  椀昀 欀愀爀椀渀愀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀ഊ: the first head of the college of heralds, does anyone know
਀㨀 眀栀漀 眀愀猀㼀ഊ
਀㨀 攀氀愀椀渀愀 搀攀 猀椀渀椀猀琀爀攀Ⰰ 漀⸀瀀⸀  挀甀爀爀攀渀琀氀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀甀琀氀愀渀搀猀ഊ
਀䠀洀℀ 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䠀愀爀漀氀搀 漀昀 䈀爀攀愀欀猀琀漀渀攀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 ⴀ昀椀爀猀琀ⴀ 䰀愀甀爀攀氀 匀漀瘀攀爀攀椀最渀 漀昀 䄀爀洀猀⸀ഊHe is male. I was the second. I am male. Karina was the third. She is 
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 氀漀挀欀猀氀攀礀 愀琀 椀渀搀椀爀攀挀琀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䨀漀攀 䈀攀琀栀愀渀挀漀甀爀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䠀攀爀愀氀搀猀Ⰰ 倀愀猀琀 愀渀搀 倀爀攀猀攀渀琀ഊDate: 10 May 1994 07:55:40 GMT
਀ഊmemorman at happy.uccs.edu wrote:
਀㨀 刀攀最愀爀搀椀渀最 琀栀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 栀攀爀愀氀搀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀㨀ഊ
਀㨀 ∀氀漀挀欀猀氀攀礀 愀琀 椀渀搀椀爀攀挀琀⸀挀漀洀∀ 栀愀猀 欀椀渀搀氀礀 最椀瘀攀渀 甀猀 䠀愀爀漀氀搀 漀昀 䈀爀攀愀欀猀琀漀渀攀 愀猀ഊ: the first Laurel King at Arms.  Does he or anyone else know when?  I 
਀㨀 栀愀瘀攀 渀甀洀攀爀漀甀猀 瘀攀爀礀 昀漀渀搀 洀攀洀漀爀椀攀猀 漀昀 刀愀渀搀愀氀氀 漀昀 䠀椀最栀琀漀眀攀爀 椀渀 戀漀琀栀 琀栀攀ഊ: SCA and fandom, but none of them involve a word of heraldry, so this
਀㨀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 挀漀洀攀猀 愀猀 愀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀攀 琀漀 洀攀⸀  圀愀猀 栀攀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀 䬀椀渀最ഊ: at Arms - or simply an assistant to Harold of Breakstone?  If he wasn't
਀㨀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 猀漀瘀爀攀椀最渀 愀猀 愀爀洀猀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 眀愀猀㼀  圀栀攀渀 搀椀搀 䬀愀爀椀渀愀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀ഊ: Queen at arms?  
਀ഊSee previous message.....Randall (may he rest in peace!) was Clarion KoA 
਀甀渀搀攀爀 䠀愀爀漀氀搀 漀昀 䈀爀攀愀欀猀琀漀渀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀猀 栀椀猀 愀猀猀椀猀琀愀渀琀⸀ഊ
਀㨀 䤀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 ⴀ 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 愀渀挀椀攀渀琀 瀀愀猀琀 ⴀ 愀 琀椀洀攀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀ഊ: wanted SCA arms were told that they had to pass not only the SCA heralds
਀㨀 戀甀琀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀 栀攀爀愀氀搀椀挀 戀漀搀礀 椀渀 䔀渀最氀愀渀搀⸀  䤀猀 洀礀 椀洀愀最椀渀愀琀椀漀渀 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最ഊ: tricks on me, or was this indeed the "word" in A.S. 5, 6, 7 or so?
਀ഊThey had to pass as "not resembling anything used in mundane heraldry,"
਀戀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀⸀ഊ
਀㨀 椀渀挀椀搀攀渀琀氀礀Ⰰ 椀猀 ∀氀漀挀欀猀氀攀礀 愀琀 椀渀搀椀爀攀挀琀⸀挀漀洀∀  樀漀猀攀瀀栀 漀昀 氀漀挀欀猀氀攀礀㼀ഊ
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀䄀✀猀 伀眀渀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀ഊDate: 29 May 1994 15:18:52 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀⠀䠀愀氀 瀀漀猀琀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀✀猀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀⸀⸀⸀⤀ഊIn article <CqJ0G5.Mo3 at oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>,
਀䌀爀愀椀最 䴀愀爀琀椀渀 䰀攀瘀椀渀 㰀挀氀攀瘀椀渀 愀琀 漀甀挀猀愀挀攀⸀挀猀⸀漀栀椀漀甀⸀攀搀甀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>I have just finished reading Daniel Grotta's bio of Tolkien, and I
਀㸀昀漀甀渀搀 愀 挀甀爀椀漀甀猀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀栀攀ഊ>earliest incarnation of the SCA. I quote _verbatim_ from pg. 138 of
਀㸀栀椀猀 眀漀爀欀Ⰰ 开吀栀攀开 开䈀椀漀最爀愀瀀栀礀开 开漀昀开 开䨀刀刀开 开吀漀氀欀椀攀渀开Ⰰ 开䄀爀挀栀椀琀攀挀琀开 开漀昀开ഊ>_Middle_ _Earth_:
਀㸀ഊ>"Once _The_ _Lord_ _of_ _the_ _Rings_ achieved widespread
਀㸀瀀漀瀀甀氀愀爀椀琀礀Ⰰ 愀 氀愀爀最攀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀ⴀ攀愀爀琀栀 㰀猀椀挀㸀 猀瀀椀渀漀昀昀猀 攀洀攀爀最攀搀ഊ>both in America and England. For example, in Southern California,
਀㸀漀渀攀 栀甀渀搀爀攀搀 愀渀搀 昀椀昀琀礀 吀漀氀欀椀攀渀 昀愀渀猀 最愀琀栀攀爀攀搀 椀渀 愀 瀀愀爀欀 琀漀 挀攀氀攀戀爀愀琀攀ഊ>Bilbo's birthday, under the auspices of Diana Paxton <sic>, a
਀㸀最爀愀搀甀愀琀攀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀 眀栀漀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀 ∀吀栀攀 䔀氀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 䜀渀漀洀攀猀 愀渀搀 䰀椀琀琀氀攀 䴀攀渀ഊ>Science Fiction and Fantasy Chowder and Marching Society." <!>
਀㸀䔀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 挀愀洀攀 搀爀攀猀猀攀搀 愀猀 愀 挀栀愀爀愀挀琀攀爀 昀爀漀洀 吀漀氀欀椀攀渀 愀渀搀 栀漀渀漀爀攀搀 䈀椀氀戀漀ഊ>with games, Elvish songs, mock battles, hobbit cookies, and
਀㸀洀愀氀琀 挀椀搀攀爀⸀ 吀栀攀 瀀椀挀渀椀挀 眀愀猀 猀漀 猀甀挀挀攀猀猀昀甀氀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀漀猀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀ഊ>to hold another festival in the spring, ostensibly to celebrate the
਀㸀搀攀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 刀椀渀最⸀ 䤀琀 琀漀漀 眀愀猀 椀渀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀 愀ഊ>mushroom roll contest and a formal ceremony in which a mock ring was
਀㸀戀甀爀渀攀搀 椀渀 愀 昀椀爀攀⸀∀ഊ
਀䴀礀 眀栀愀琀 愀 最愀爀戀氀攀搀 愀渀搀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ
਀㄀⸀  ∀䈀椀氀戀漀✀猀 䈀椀爀琀栀搀愀礀∀ 椀猀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 匀攀瀀琀⸀ ㈀㈀渀搀⸀ഊ
਀㈀⸀  吀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 瀀愀爀琀礀 琀栀愀琀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 眀愀猀 䴀愀礀 ㄀Ⰰ ㄀㤀㘀㘀⸀ഊ
਀㌀⸀  吀栀攀 䔀氀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 䜀渀漀洀攀猀 愀渀搀 䰀椀琀琀氀攀 䴀攀渀✀猀 匀挀椀攀渀挀攀 䘀椀挀琀椀漀渀 䌀栀漀眀搀攀爀ഊand Marching Society still meets in Berekeley.  It pre-dates the
਀匀䌀䄀 戀礀 洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀⸀  吀栀攀 䰀椀琀琀氀攀 䴀攀渀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 ⠀瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 猀琀椀氀氀 搀漀⤀ഊgive out an annual award called the Invisible Little Man.  It's a
਀瀀攀搀攀猀琀愀氀 眀椀琀栀 攀渀最爀愀瘀攀搀 瀀氀愀焀甀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 昀爀漀渀琀 愀渀搀 愀 瀀愀椀爀 漀昀ഊfootprints on top.  Standing on the pedestal is a an Invisible
਀䰀椀琀琀氀攀 䴀愀渀 洀愀搀攀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 瘀攀爀礀 昀椀渀攀猀琀 椀渀瘀椀猀椀戀氀攀 戀爀漀渀稀攀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀ഊwas, at one time, a consderable overlap between active SCA
਀洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀 䰀椀琀琀氀攀 䴀攀渀猀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀⸀  䔀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 搀愀礀猀ഊwhen the Little Men met in J. Ben Stark's basement (mid- to
਀氀愀琀攀ⴀ猀椀砀琀椀攀猀⤀⸀ഊ
਀㐀⸀  吀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 栀漀氀搀 椀琀猀 䘀愀氀氀 䌀爀漀眀渀 吀漀甀爀渀攀礀 愀猀 挀氀漀猀攀ഊto Bilbo's Birthday as possible.  As the fantasy elements thinned,
਀琀栀攀 攀洀瀀栀愀猀椀猀 挀栀愀渀最攀搀 琀漀 栀漀氀搀椀渀最 椀琀 愀猀 挀氀漀猀攀 愀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊFall Equinox.  From various factors over the years, it is now
਀栀攀氀搀 椀渀 攀愀爀氀礀 伀挀琀漀戀攀爀⸀  ⠀伀琀栀攀爀 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 䌀爀漀眀渀⼀䌀漀爀漀渀愀琀椀漀渀ഊevents are:  March Crown--Vernal Equinox, Beltane
਀䌀漀爀漀渀愀琀椀漀渀ⴀⴀ䴀愀礀Ⰰ ㄀ 嬀昀漀甀渀搀椀渀最 搀愀琀攀 愀渀搀 䈀攀氀琀愀渀攀崀Ⰰ 䨀甀渀攀ഊCrown--Summer Solstice,  August Prurgatorio Coronation--late
਀䄀甀最甀猀琀Ⰰ ㄀㈀琀栀 一椀最栀琀ⴀⴀ㘀 䨀愀渀甀愀爀礀⼀㄀㈀琀栀 一椀最栀琀⸀⤀ഊ
਀㸀匀漀洀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀ⴀ戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 ㈀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 猀攀攀洀 琀漀 戀攀 氀椀欀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀ⴀ䄀☀匀ഊ>competition, subtleties at feast, fighting, filking, everyone in
਀㸀最愀爀戀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀ 䤀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 渀愀洀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 渀椀挀攀 爀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀ഊ>'SCA' has about it. Is Grotta an old-timer of the SCA? Were these 2
਀㸀瀀愀爀琀椀攀猀 昀漀爀 爀攀愀氀㼀 䄀爀攀 眀攀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀Ⰰ 䜀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䰀䴀 匀䘀 愀渀搀 䘀 䌀ഊ>and M Society? 
਀ഊThe author seems to have conflated the origins of the SCA, the
਀䰀椀琀琀氀攀 䴀攀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 䴀礀琀栀漀瀀漀攀椀挀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀⸀  吀栀椀猀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀渀ഊobject lesson in not believing everything you read.
਀ഊ	--Hal Ravn
਀ऀ ⠀䠀愀氀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: sandradodd at aol.com (SandraDodd)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Resigning peerages
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㘀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　㄀㨀㄀㌀㨀　　 ⴀ　㐀　　ഊ
਀洀椀琀琀氀攀 愀琀 眀愀琀猀漀渀⸀椀戀洀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䄀爀瘀愀氀 搀✀䔀猀瀀愀猀 一漀爀搀⤀ 洀椀猀焀甀漀琀攀搀 洀攀㬀 漀爀 爀愀琀栀攀爀ഊquoted someone else and attributed it to me.
਀ഊIt's of minor importance.  
਀ഊAs far as I know the history of that policy (and Signy / Tracy Brown
਀爀攀洀椀渀搀攀搀 洀攀 戀礀 攀ⴀ洀愀椀氀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 椀渀 攀昀昀攀挀琀 眀栀攀渀 猀栀攀 眀愀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊboard, which was before I was a corporate officer, or right as I
਀戀攀挀愀洀攀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 氀漀渀最 琀椀洀攀 愀最漀⤀ 椀琀 眀愀猀 椀渀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀 琀漀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀 眀栀漀ഊperformed such exciting feats as declaring they were now masters and
਀瀀甀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 戀攀氀琀猀 漀渀 愀猀 戀愀氀搀爀椀挀猀㬀 眀攀愀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀椀爀 挀栀愀椀渀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊbelts; and the greatest of all:  throwing a chain in a fire
਀搀爀愀洀愀琀椀挀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 漀渀氀礀 琀漀 猀漀戀攀爀 甀瀀 琀栀攀 渀攀砀琀 洀漀爀渀椀渀最 愀渀搀 挀漀洀攀 昀椀猀栀椀渀最 椀渀ഊthe ashes.  I don't know a particular name to stick to it, if there
਀眀愀猀 漀渀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀琀✀猀 氀椀欀攀氀礀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 猀琀漀爀椀攀猀 椀渀 漀琀栀攀爀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀ഊthink if a guy claimed to quit, and witnesses felt he had, it didn't
਀瀀爀攀瘀攀渀琀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 氀愀琀攀爀 昀爀漀洀 猀愀礀椀渀最 栀攀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 洀愀搀攀 愀 瀀攀攀爀 愀渀搀ഊtherefor was one.  I do NOT know, though, why the obstacle course of
਀氀攀琀琀攀爀猀 琀漀 琀栀爀攀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀猀⸀  ഊ
਀䄀䔀氀昀氀愀攀搀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: What The Eric IS
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㜀 䨀甀渀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㤀㨀㄀㈀㨀㄀㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of California, Berkeley
਀ഊHarold Kraus Jr <harald at ksu.ksu.edu> wrote:
਀ഊ>["Eric"] is regional.  The only Calontiri I ever heard use it was 
਀㸀䠀䜀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 嘀✀琀愀瘀椀愀 ⠀䠀甀洀瀀欀⤀⸀  倀愀瘀攀氀 挀愀氀氀猀 洀攀 愀 ∀圀攀猀琀椀攀∀ 眀栀攀渀 ഊ>I use it. 
਀㸀ഊ>What were the four colors of the original "eric"?
਀ഊRed, white, and yellow; only over time they all faded to an
਀愀渀漀渀礀洀漀甀猀 甀渀椀昀漀爀洀 最爀攀礀⸀  吀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 愀渀礀 昀漀甀爀琀栀⸀ഊ>
਀㸀∀䔀爀椀挀∀ 椀猀 愀 匀䌀䄀搀椀愀渀椀猀洀Ⰰ ∀氀椀猀琀∀ 椀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 ⠀椀猀渀✀琀 椀琀㼀⤀⸀ഊ
਀刀椀最栀琀 漀渀 戀漀琀栀 挀漀甀渀琀猀⸀ഊ
਀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 漀昀 䌀愀攀爀ⴀ䴀礀爀搀搀椀渀ऀऀ䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀ഊMists/Mists/West			UC Berkeley
਀䄀爀最攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀 挀爀漀猀猀 昀漀爀洀攀✀攀 猀愀戀氀攀ऀऀ搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊPRO DEO ET REGE
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਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 甀挀氀椀渀欀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀 䨀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀渀 䔀砀瀀氀愀渀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 刀攀猀琀爀甀挀琀甀爀椀渀最 倀爀漀瀀漀猀愀氀ഊDate: 11 Jul 1994 21:08:48 GMT
਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ
਀⠀䠀愀氀 瀀漀猀琀椀渀最 昀爀漀洀 䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀✀猀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀⸀⸀⸀⤀ഊIn article <773765559.F00001 at ocitor.fidonet>,
਀吀椀洀 漀昀 䄀渀最氀攀 㰀吀椀洀⸀漀昀⸀䄀渀最氀攀 愀琀 昀㐀㈀㈀㤀⸀渀㄀㈀㐀⸀稀㄀⸀昀椀搀漀渀攀琀⸀漀爀最㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ>Find the board member who has not been a
਀㸀瀀攀攀爀 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 䈀漀䐀 挀愀洀攀 椀渀琀漀 攀砀椀猀琀攀渀挀攀⸀ഊ
਀吀爀椀瘀椀愀氀氀礀 攀愀猀礀⸀  ⨀一漀渀攀⨀ 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀 䐀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀猀 眀攀爀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊSociety before incorporation--let alone Peers to the best of my
਀欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀⸀ഊ
਀䌀愀渀 礀漀甀 猀栀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 瀀爀攀搀愀琀攀 椀渀挀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀㼀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 氀愀猀琀 䐀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 愀 倀攀攀爀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 琀栀攀 攀砀椀猀琀攀渀挀攀ഊof the Board was Dave Thewlis (Duke Siegfried von Hoeflichkeit)
਀眀栀漀 椀猀 愀 搀椀渀漀猀愀甀爀 ⠀椀⸀攀⸀ 栀攀 眀愀猀 愀琀 琀栀攀 瀀愀爀琀礀 椀渀 䐀椀愀渀愀✀猀 戀愀挀欀ഊyard).
਀ഊ	--Hal Ravn
਀ऀ ⠀䠀愀氀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊ
਀ഊFrom: mchance at crl.com (Michael A. Chance)
਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: The more things change...
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㐀 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　㘀㨀㈀㘀㨀㔀㤀 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊ
਀䤀愀渀琀栀攀 搀✀䄀瘀攀爀漀椀最渀攀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>     I pose a point for general discussion:
਀ഊ>     How has the SCA changed over time, especially since
਀㸀     䄀匀 堀㼀ഊ
਀䘀漀爀 洀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀眀漀 洀愀樀漀爀 挀栀愀渀最攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀愀爀氀礀 ㄀㐀 礀攀愀爀猀 琀栀愀琀ഊI've played (starting in the southwestern Midrealm in AS 16):
਀ഊFirst, the good:  A much higher level of re-creation in most areas.
਀圀攀✀瘀攀 洀愀渀愀最攀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 愀 琀爀攀洀攀渀搀漀甀猀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀 愀渀搀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀ഊinto the SCA over the years.  New member costumes that would have been
਀愀挀挀攀瀀琀愀戀氀攀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 愀爀攀渀✀琀 渀漀眀㬀 礀漀甀✀搀 戀攀 焀甀椀挀欀氀礀 栀甀猀琀氀攀搀 漀瘀攀爀 琀漀ഊthe Gold Key's loaner closet (which also didn't exist, for the most
਀瀀愀爀琀Ⰰ ㄀　 漀爀 ㄀㔀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀⤀⸀  圀栀椀氀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀琀椀氀氀 琀栀攀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 愀眀昀甀氀ഊlooking stuff (clothes, armor, heraldry, feast gear, general kit,
਀攀琀挀⸀⤀Ⰰ 椀琀✀猀 戀攀挀漀洀椀渀最 洀漀爀攀 愀渀搀 洀漀爀攀 漀甀琀氀椀攀爀 愀猀 琀栀攀 漀瘀攀爀愀氀氀 氀攀瘀攀氀 漀昀ഊauthenticity has risen.  It's a slow process, but it's happening.
਀ഊSecond, the bad:  In this area, at least, it's nearly impossible to
਀昀椀渀搀 愀 ∀猀洀愀氀氀∀ ⠀㜀㔀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀猀 漀爀 氀攀猀猀⤀ 攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 椀昀 椀琀✀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀ഊkingdom calendar in the newsletter.  I have some of my fondest
਀洀攀洀漀爀椀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 攀愀爀氀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 漀昀 猀甀挀栀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 漀渀氀礀 愀 昀攀眀ഊpeers in attendance, and more time for fun and talk.  It's too bad
਀琀栀愀琀 渀攀眀Ⰰ 猀洀愀氀氀 最爀漀甀瀀猀 最攀琀 猀眀愀洀瀀攀搀 愀琀 琀栀攀椀爀 昀椀爀猀琀 昀攀眀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 戀礀 氀漀琀猀ഊof "helpful" neighbors trying to "help make it a successful event" by
਀戀漀漀猀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 愀琀琀攀渀搀愀渀挀攀 琀漀 ㄀㔀　⬀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀礀✀搀 戀攀 愀 氀漀琀 洀漀爀攀 挀漀洀昀漀爀琀愀戀氀攀ഊhosting much less than 100.
਀ഊMikjal Annarbjorn
਀ⴀⴀ ഊMichael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
਀圀漀爀欀㨀 洀挀㌀　㜀愀 愀琀 猀眀㄀猀琀挀⸀猀戀挀⸀挀漀洀                             漀昀 匀琀⸀ 嘀椀搀椀挀漀渀∀ഊPlay: mchance at crl.com
਀      洀挀栀愀渀挀攀 愀琀 渀礀砀⸀挀猀⸀搀甀⸀攀搀甀ഊ
਀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca
਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 䄀搀搀爀攀猀猀 䰀椀猀琀 匀攀氀氀椀渀最㼀ഊFrom: schuldy at zariski.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei)
਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀　 䄀甀最 㤀㐀 ㄀㈀㨀㌀㜀㨀　㄀ 䔀䐀吀ഊ
਀渀猀洀挀愀 愀琀 愀甀爀漀爀愀⸀愀氀愀猀欀愀⸀攀搀甀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ  Is the SCA ED selling mailing lists?
਀  䄀搀搀爀攀猀猀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀甀挀栀㼀ഊ
਀伀栀Ⰰ 最攀攀稀Ⰰ 眀栀礀 渀漀琀 愀猀欀 愀渀 椀渀昀氀愀洀洀愀琀漀爀礀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 攀栀㼀 ⠀㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ
਀吀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 栀愀猀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 瀀愀猀琀Ⰰ 洀愀搀攀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀栀椀瀀 氀椀猀琀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 琀漀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀猀Ⰰഊas well as having provided them with membership lists that contain
਀愀搀搀爀攀猀猀攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 ␀㌀ 挀栀愀爀最攀 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 氀椀猀琀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀昀椀挀攀爀猀 挀氀愀椀洀ഊthey received them unsolicited, and for free.
਀ഊTo the best of my knowledge, they were always provided to officers only,
਀愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 昀漀爀洀愀氀 爀攀猀琀爀椀挀琀椀漀渀猀 漀渀 甀猀攀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 愀猀猀甀洀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀ഊwould be used for correct purposes only.
਀ഊSince I became a member around 1984, The Society has sold the mailing list
਀漀渀攀 琀椀洀攀Ⰰ 琀漀 䴀䈀一䄀 椀渀 漀爀搀攀爀 琀漀 瀀爀漀洀漀琀攀 愀渀 愀昀昀椀渀椀琀礀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 挀愀爀搀⸀  䤀 最愀琀栀攀爀ഊthat the Corporation has since switched its stance, and is now trying to end
਀琀栀愀琀 挀漀渀琀爀愀挀琀⸀  吀栀攀 氀椀猀琀 栀愀猀 渀漀琀 礀攀琀 戀攀攀渀 搀攀氀椀瘀攀爀攀搀⸀ഊ
਀䤀琀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 漀爀搀攀爀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 挀漀甀爀琀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 琀漀ഊmembers involved in impeachment petitions, for use in direct mailings to
਀洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 漀昀 瀀攀琀椀琀椀漀渀猀 愀渀搀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀椀渀最 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀猀⸀  伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 氀椀琀椀最愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀ഊstill active.
਀ഊI have heard tales of how the membership list had been "pirated" once a very
਀氀漀渀最 琀椀洀攀 愀最漀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 甀猀攀搀 昀漀爀 愀 搀椀爀攀挀琀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 昀漀爀 攀渀挀礀挀氀漀瀀攀搀椀愀 猀愀氀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀ഊgather that was done when the Society was much smaller, done without the
਀欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䈀漀愀爀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瀀甀渀椀猀栀攀搀⸀  匀漀洀攀 挀漀渀琀爀漀氀猀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 洀愀椀氀椀渀最 氀椀猀琀ഊwere created at that time.  I have no further details, and heard this from
਀漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀Ⰰ 椀昀 愀 爀攀氀椀愀戀氀攀 漀渀攀⸀ഊ
਀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 最椀瘀攀渀 琀栀攀 氀椀琀椀最愀琀椀漀渀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀栀椀瀀 氀椀猀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 挀甀爀爀攀渀琀ഊExecutive Directors response to that litigation, and the attempt to reverse
਀琀栀攀 䴀䈀一䄀 猀愀氀攀 琀栀愀琀 栀愀猀 戀攀攀渀 爀攀瀀漀爀琀攀搀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀渀挀攀猀 漀昀 愀渀礀漀渀攀ഊgetting a mailing list out of the SCA Incorporated right now are slim to
਀渀漀渀攀⸀  圀攀 猀栀愀氀氀 猀攀攀Ⰰ 栀漀眀攀瘀攀爀⸀ഊ
਀ऀ吀椀戀漀爀ഊ-- 
਀䴀愀爀欀 匀挀栀甀氀搀攀渀昀爀攀椀 ⠀猀挀栀甀氀搀礀 愀琀 洀愀琀栀⸀栀愀爀瘀愀爀搀⸀攀搀甀⤀ഊ
਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris	SCA-hist2-msg	Page 45 of 45
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