SCA-hist1-msg - 5/15/92 ਀ഊMessages on the history of the SCA from 1/91 until 5/92. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: SCA-hist2-msg, SCA-hist3-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, vanity-plates-msg, placenames-msg, Hst-SCA-Fence-art, you-know-msg, Atlant-rapier-msg, CA13-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊ"History is a moving target that changes as fresh details are discovered, as errors are corrected, as popular attitudes shift. Historians carve the sculpture that is Truth not out of granite, but out of wet clay." ਀ഊ- From the preface to "The Life of Muad'Dib" in the Dune series. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 最愀爀渀攀琀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊDate: 24 Jan 91 02:06:57 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ ਀栀氀愀昀搀椀最⸀猀琀漀渀攀洀愀爀挀栀攀⸀伀刀䜀ഊ(Alizaunde on Arastorm's account) writes: ਀㸀   䌀䠀䔀䌀䬀 吀䠀䔀 吀䔀堀吀⸀ 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 漀渀攀 戀漀漀欀ⴀ 䤀 爀攀最爀攀琀 䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀攀 ഊ>author right now, but we can at least thank our respective Gods that ਀㸀椀琀 椀猀 渀漀眀 漀甀琀ⴀഊ>of-print- which describes an entire era of dress with one (original) ਀㸀瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀琀攀洀攀渀琀  ∀吀栀椀猀 猀琀礀氀攀 椀猀 琀漀漀 甀最氀礀 琀漀 搀攀猀攀爀瘀攀 漀甀爀 ഊ>further attention." Ask me how often I hand that out to novices. ਀ഊO, yes. It gets better--or worse. In 1968, as you may recall, the ਀匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 最漀琀 椀琀猀 昀椀爀猀琀 椀渀琀爀漀搀甀挀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀 眀漀爀氀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 瘀椀挀攀ഊversa, at a demo we did for an SF convention called Baycon. They ਀最愀瘀攀 甀猀 猀漀洀攀 洀漀渀攀礀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 攀砀瀀氀愀渀愀琀漀爀礀 栀愀渀搀漀甀琀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䴀椀猀琀爀攀猀猀 䐀椀愀渀愀ഊput out the first edition of the Known World Handbook. Mistress ਀䠀椀氀愀爀礀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 爀攀瀀爀漀搀甀挀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 昀椀爀猀琀 攀搀椀琀椀漀渀 昀漀爀 栀攀爀 匀䌀䄀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀ഊclasses, with a disclaimer warning you not to follow any of its ਀椀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀琀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀猀 琀栀椀渀最猀 眀攀 搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀挀漀洀洀攀渀搀 愀渀礀ഊmore. ਀ഊAs for example--(short pause for a fruitless search through the bookcase ਀昀漀爀 洀礀 挀漀瀀礀㬀 渀漀 氀甀挀欀Ⰰ 瀀愀爀愀瀀栀爀愀猀攀 眀椀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 搀漀⤀ⴀⴀ琀栀攀爀攀✀猀 愀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀ഊon garb, with half a dozen line drawings of the general sort of thing ਀礀漀甀✀爀攀 愀椀洀椀渀最 愀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀攀氀氀椀渀最 礀漀甀 栀漀眀 琀漀 愀搀愀瀀琀 䴀挀䌀愀氀氀✀猀 愀渀搀 匀椀洀瀀氀椀挀椀琀礀ഊpatterns to make it. And then it says, "We don't recommend you try ਀琀漀 挀漀瀀礀 开爀攀愀氀开 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 挀氀漀琀栀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀琀 椀猀渀✀琀 愀琀琀爀愀挀琀椀瘀攀⸀∀縀ഊ ਀匀漀 搀漀渀✀琀 氀攀琀 琀栀攀洀 琀攀氀氀 礀漀甀 眀攀✀瘀攀 戀愀挀欀猀氀椀搀 愀渀搀 最漀渀攀 搀漀眀渀栀椀氀氀 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀ഊGood Olde Days. In some categories it's just the reverse. ਀ഊDorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt ਀倀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀猀琀猀                   搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 最愀爀渀攀琀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊPrincipality of the Mists University of California, ਀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀                     䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ ਀ഊIoseph of Locksley ਀匀琀攀瘀攀 䈀氀漀挀栀ഊRe: Too much talk about Pennsic ਀ ㌀ 䨀甀渀 㤀㄀ ഊ SB>From: sbloch at euclid.ucsd.edu (Steve Bloch) ਀ ഊ SB>storm at hlafdig.stonemarche.ORG (Arastorm the Golden) writes: ਀ 匀䈀㸀㸀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀漀瘀攀 琀漀 最漀 琀漀 䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀Ⰰ 漀爀 䈀甀爀爀漀  䌀爀攀攀欀Ⰰ  ഊ SB>>or some of the other long-large events in other parts of the ਀ 匀䈀㸀㸀䬀渀漀眀渀  眀漀爀氀搀⸀ ഊ SB> ਀ 匀䈀㸀䤀昀 ∀䈀甀爀爀漀 䌀爀攀攀欀∀ 椀猀 愀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 琀栀攀 ⠀猀攀洀椀⤀愀渀渀甀愀氀 洀椀渀椀ⴀ圀愀爀 椀渀 匀愀渀 ഊ SB>Diego County, I must point out that it hasn't been there for a num- ਀ 匀䈀㸀戀攀爀 漀昀 礀攀愀爀猀 ⠀挀攀爀琀愀椀渀氀礀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䤀 挀愀洀攀 栀椀琀栀攀爀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀猀 渀漀眀 栀攀氀搀 愀琀 ഊ SB>Potrero County Park, which I'm told is an enormous improvement. ਀ 匀䈀㸀⠀䤀昀 渀漀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀礀 洀攀洀漀爀礀 搀漀琀栀 昀愀椀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀氀搀 猀椀琀攀✀猀 渀愀洀攀Ⰰ 渀攀瘀攀爀 ഊ SB>mind.) ਀ ഊA bit of history of the Estrella War is in order here....the first one, the Notorious Caid Invitational during the reign of Johnathan (Whytewolfe) I, was held at Estrella Park. The park at that time was seriously undeveloped, so we moved it to Burro Creek Campground, in Northwest Arizona, just north of Wickenburg. We outgrew that in about two or three years, plus we got tired of the blue-haired old ladies in their RV's gawking at us and getting in the way, so Master Zoltan Kovacs (Kirby Wise-Fraser) offered to host it on a plot of land by his place out by Bouse, AZ (in the Middle of Nowhere.) This plot of lad was VERY undeveloped, and these wars are referred to as the "Catbox Wars." Then, Estrella Park was seen to be developed, so we moved it back there. ਀ ഊCurrently, the next one will be held at Estrella Park, but after that, we ਀ⴀ洀愀礀ⴀ 戀攀 洀漀瘀椀渀最 椀琀 琀漀 瀀爀椀瘀愀琀攀 氀愀渀搀⸀⸀⸀⸀眀攀 愀爀攀 漀甀琀最爀漀眀椀渀最 攀瘀攀渀 琀栀愀琀 䰀䄀刀䜀䔀 ഊCounty Park. ਀ ഊ -Ioseph of Locksley ਀                                        圀栀漀 䄀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀攀搀 䈀甀爀爀漀 䌀爀攀攀欀 䤀 ☀ 䤀䤀 ഊ ਀ഊFrom: steffan at pro-angmar.UUCP (Steven Mesnick) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㜀 䨀甀渀 㤀㄀  㐀㨀㐀㄀㨀㌀㤀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: The Internet ਀ഊThere has been some discussion of the history of heralding (specifically, ਀琀栀攀 洀愀欀椀渀最 漀昀 攀猀猀攀渀琀椀愀氀 愀渀渀漀甀渀挀攀洀攀渀琀猀⤀ 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀漀 攀瘀攀爀礀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 猀椀渀挀攀 㜀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 䌀栀椀攀昀 䠀攀爀愀氀搀 愀琀 ㄀㄀⸀ 䈀愀挀欀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊEarly Days [ :-) ], Pennsic was run like Any Other Event. You need an ਀愀渀渀漀甀渀挀攀洀攀渀琀 洀愀搀攀㼀 䜀漀 昀椀渀搀 愀 栀攀爀愀氀搀 愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 栀椀洀 礀攀氀氀⸀ 一漀琀 琀漀漀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀ഊwhen the War was a few hundred folks. About PW 10, folks started to realize ਀琀栀愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 眀愀猀渀✀琀 樀甀猀琀 䄀渀礀 伀琀栀攀爀 䔀瘀攀渀琀⸀ 䄀琀 倀圀 ㄀ Ⰰ 䰀愀搀礀 䜀爀愀椀搀栀渀攀 渀椀 刀甀愀搀栀ഊ(then Oaken, later Dragon Herald) instituted a roster system whereby ਀栀攀爀愀氀搀猀 猀椀最渀攀搀 甀瀀 椀渀 愀搀瘀愀渀挀攀 昀漀爀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀猀 搀甀爀椀渀最 眀栀椀挀栀 琀栀攀礀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊbe "on call". Before this, there had just been a sporadically-manned ਀䠀攀爀愀氀搀✀猀 倀漀椀渀琀 ⴀⴀ 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 琀栀椀猀 洀攀愀渀琀 琀栀攀 䌀栀椀攀昀 䠀攀爀愀氀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 眀栀攀爀攀瘀攀爀ഊs/he happened to be encamped. At PW 11, I intended to work with a ਀爀攀昀椀渀攀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 䜀爀愀椀搀栀渀攀✀猀 猀礀猀琀攀洀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀戀礀 栀攀爀愀氀搀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 猀椀最渀 甀瀀 昀漀爀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀ഊ*events* insterad of fixed time slots (since events are always being ਀爀攀ⴀ猀挀栀攀搀甀氀攀搀㨀 椀昀 礀漀甀 猀椀最渀攀搀 甀瀀 琀漀 栀攀爀愀氀搀 琀栀攀 戀爀椀搀最攀 戀愀琀琀氀攀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊherald it no matter when it actually happened). For various reasons, we ਀搀椀搀渀✀琀 搀漀 椀琀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀礀⸀ 圀栀愀琀 眀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 搀椀搀 眀愀猀 琀漀 攀猀琀愀戀氀椀猀栀 愀 猀攀琀 猀挀栀攀搀甀氀攀ഊof "runs", and instructed folks to "just show up" 15 minutes before a run. ਀吀栀椀猀 ⠀甀猀甀愀氀氀礀⤀ 洀攀愀渀琀 眀攀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 栀攀爀愀氀搀猀 礀攀氀氀 琀漀 最攀琀 栀攀爀愀氀搀猀Ⰰഊand it meant we could avoid a constant barrage of messages: we announced ਀攀洀攀爀最攀渀挀礀 猀琀甀昀昀 愀猀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 猀愀瘀攀搀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 攀氀猀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀挀栀攀搀甀氀攀搀ഊruns. It also allowed us to repeat important messages at set intervals. ਀⠀䄀猀欀 洀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 䰀攀最攀渀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䌀漀瀀瀀攀爀栀攀愀搀猀 㨀ⴀ⤀ ⤀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 眀栀漀氀攀 猀礀猀琀攀洀 眀愀猀ഊfacilitated by the spontaneous establishment at PW 11 of named roads ਀戀攀琀眀攀攀渀  洀愀樀漀爀 挀愀洀瀀椀渀最 愀爀攀愀猀Ⰰ 椀渀 爀攀愀挀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀漀琀椀挀 挀爀漀眀搀椀渀最 漀昀 倀圀 ㄀ ⸀ഊ Anyway, this system has become the standard for Very Large Camping ਀䔀瘀攀渀琀猀 ⠀倀攀渀渀猀椀挀Ⰰ 吀夀䌀⼀吀䘀夀䌀Ⰰ 䔀猀琀爀攀氀氀愀 嬀㼀崀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀礀 猀挀爀漀氀氀 猀愀礀猀 椀琀✀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀ഊthe things I got my Pelican for. The funny thing is it wasn't even the system I originally planned to use; it's just the one that worked. ਀ഊ Steffan ap Cennydd ਀        䘀椀爀攀戀爀愀渀搀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: whheydt at PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㤀 䨀甀氀 㤀㄀ ㈀㄀㨀㐀㈀㨀 㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA ਀ഊ>Once upon a time . . . ਀㸀吀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 瀀氀愀礀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 猀琀椀挀欀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀椀搀 椀琀ഊ>well (or were in the right place at the right time) became knights. ਀㸀吀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀攀搀 愀渀礀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀昀漀爀攀洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀ഊ>ambiance, over and above what could be expected from a sane person ਀㸀⠀愀渀搀 眀攀爀攀 猀椀氀氀礀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 氀攀琀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 猀攀攀 琀栀攀洀 搀漀 椀琀⤀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀洀攀ഊ>Laurels. ਀㸀ഊ>Someone, somewhere (for reasons I once knew but now escape me) decided ਀㸀愀爀琀 愀渀搀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 眀攀爀攀 ∀搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀∀ 愀渀搀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 琀爀攀愀琀攀搀 愀猀 猀甀挀栀⸀ 吀栀甀猀 琀栀攀ഊ>Pelican was born (I do know the BOD had their hand in it). Some of those ਀㸀渀漀戀氀攀猀 眀栀漀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀攀搀 昀漀爀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀 爀攀猀椀最渀攀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀猀 愀渀搀ഊ>received Pelicans. ਀ഊThe Board of Directors--and this is around the time they wanted to be ਀挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀吀栀攀 䤀洀瀀攀爀椀愀氀 䔀氀攀挀琀漀爀猀∀ⴀⴀ眀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 最椀瘀攀 漀甀琀 愀眀愀爀搀猀ഊfor those doing Great and Good Deeds on behalf of the entire Society ਀樀甀猀琀 氀椀欀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 搀椀搀 昀漀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 搀椀搀 氀椀欀攀眀椀猀攀 昀漀爀 攀愀挀栀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 ⠀漀渀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀攀 漀昀 椀琀⤀ 愀 戀愀搀 椀搀攀愀⸀  圀栀愀琀 最漀琀 漀瘀攀爀氀漀漀欀攀搀 椀渀ഊthe effort is that a Board of Directors isn't a very Medieval idea--whether ਀礀漀甀 洀攀愀渀 ∀洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀∀ 椀渀 琀栀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀挀 猀攀渀猀攀 ⨀漀爀⨀ 琀栀攀 爀漀洀愀渀琀椀挀 猀攀渀猀攀⸀ഊWe've discussed, on occassion, one nver reads about King Arthur and ਀栀椀猀 倀攀氀椀挀愀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 刀漀甀渀搀 吀愀戀氀攀 ⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 眀攀 洀椀最栀琀 椀洀愀最椀渀攀 椀琀 挀漀甀氀搀ഊhappen . . .), bet I think even the most fuzzzy view of the SCA would ਀栀愀瘀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀渀最 吀栀攀 ⨀䈀漀䐀⨀ 愀渀搀 椀琀✀猀 䬀渀椀最栀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 刀漀甀渀搀 吀愀戀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀一漀琀 瘀攀爀礀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀椀渀最氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最猀 漀戀樀攀挀琀攀搀⸀  䄀昀琀攀爀 猀漀洀攀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀ⴀⴀ愀渀搀 愀ഊgreat deal of pressure--the BoD relented and "opened" the Order of the ਀倀攀氀椀挀愀渀 琀漀 琀栀攀 甀猀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀猀⸀  匀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 栀愀瘀攀渀✀琀 戀攀攀渀 愀渀礀ഊBoD-given Pelicans and the BoD has decied that it is a 20th-century ਀最甀愀爀搀椀愀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀琀攀爀昀愀挀攀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀ഊand the 20th century reality we must deal with from the outside. This ਀爀攀愀氀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 愀 䜀漀漀搀 吀栀椀渀最⸀  ⠀䈀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 洀攀ⴀⴀ䤀 欀渀漀眀⸀  䤀 眀愀猀 愀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊChronicler when Jon deCles was Steward. Waht's more--I lived within ਀昀椀瘀攀 洀椀氀攀猀 漀昀 栀椀洀⸀  䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀渀礀漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀ⴀⴀ猀愀瘀攀 洀礀 䰀愀搀礀ഊWife--who gathers news on the Rialto who has ever had to deal with ਀琀栀愀琀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 最栀愀猀琀氀礀 挀漀洀戀椀渀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 洀椀猀昀漀爀琀甀渀攀猀⸀⤀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 甀瀀猀栀漀琀 漀昀 愀氀氀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 伀倀 猀甀昀昀攀爀攀搀 甀渀搀攀爀 愀 戀椀琀 漀昀 挀氀漀甀搀ഊfor some years afterward and has (probably) been part of the feelings ਀椀渀 猀漀洀攀 焀甀愀爀琀攀爀猀 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 愀氀氀 倀攀攀爀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 攀焀甀愀氀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 愀爀攀 洀漀爀攀ഊequal than others. ਀ഊ --Hal ਀ഊ Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom ਀        圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀Ⰰ 䨀爀⸀Ⰰ  䄀氀戀愀渀礀Ⰰ 䌀䄀 㤀㐀㜀 㘀Ⰰ  㐀㄀㔀⼀㔀㈀㐀ⴀ㠀㌀㈀㄀ ⠀栀漀洀攀⤀ഊ======================================================================= ਀䠀愀氀 䠀攀礀搀琀                    簀    倀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 匀愀昀攀 䜀漀瘀攀爀渀洀攀渀琀ഊAnalyst, Pacific*Bell | Use Kingdoms ਀㐀㄀㔀ⴀ㠀㈀㌀ⴀ㔀㐀㐀㜀                 簀     ⠀猀攀攀渀 漀渀 愀 戀甀洀瀀攀爀 猀琀椀挀欀攀爀⤀ഊwhheydt at pbhya.PacBell.COM | ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 眀栀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 倀愀挀䈀攀氀氀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊDate: 4 Sep 91 17:23:22 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀 ⨀ 䈀攀氀氀Ⰰ 匀愀渀 刀愀洀漀渀Ⰰ 䌀䄀ഊ ਀搀猀㐀瀀⬀ 愀琀 愀渀搀爀攀眀⸀挀洀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀挀栀爀漀攀搀攀爀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> "What are the expectations on peers over the course of their SCA lives?" ਀㸀ഊ>Chivalry are not expected to be super-hot fighters into their 70's and 80's ਀㸀⠀琀栀漀甀最栀 䤀 栀攀愀爀 眀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 猀欀椀氀氀攀搀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀椀爀 㔀 ✀猀 愀渀搀 㘀 ✀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䄀渀 愀渀攀挀搀漀琀攀㨀  圀栀攀渀 匀椀爀 䈀攀氀愀 漀昀 䔀愀猀琀洀愀爀挀栀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 氀椀昀攀 眀愀猀 琀漀漀漀ഊbusy to continue to be active in the SCA, and that age made it ਀椀洀瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀漀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀攀 琀漀 昀椀最栀琀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀氀礀ⴀⴀ栀攀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 琀漀 ∀栀愀渀最 甀瀀 栀椀猀ഊspurs." At that time he offered to retire from his Knighthood. This ਀漀昀昀攀爀 漀昀 爀攀琀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 爀愀渀欀 眀愀猀 搀攀挀氀椀渀攀搀⸀  䠀攀 椀猀 ⨀猀琀椀氀氀⨀ 愀 䬀渀椀最栀琀ⴀⴀ愀渀搀ഊa highly respected one by all who know him. While he may no longer ਀昀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 栀攀 爀攀洀愀椀渀猀 愀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 漀昀 猀愀最攀 愀搀瘀椀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀琀愀椀渀猀 琀愀氀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊearliest days of the Society. For those unfamiliar with the gentleman ਀椀渀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀ⴀⴀ琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 礀漀甀 洀愀礀 欀渀漀眀 栀椀洀 愀猀 倀漀甀氀 䄀渀搀攀爀猀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀        ⴀⴀ䠀愀氀ഊ ਀        䠀愀氀 刀愀瘀渀Ⰰ 倀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀猀琀猀Ⰰ 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706, 415/524-8321 (home) ਀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀ഊHal Heydt | Practice Safe Government ਀䄀渀愀氀礀猀琀Ⰰ 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀⨀䈀攀氀氀        簀           唀猀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀猀ഊ415-823-5447 | (seen on a bumper sticker) ਀眀栀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 瀀戀栀礀愀⸀倀愀挀䈀攀氀氀⸀䌀伀䴀    簀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ds4p+ at andrew.cmu.edu (David Schroeder) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 㜀 匀攀瀀 㤀㄀  ㈀㨀㈀㌀㨀㔀㔀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA ਀ഊA question is asked concerning the growth of the Society, with particular ਀攀洀瀀栀愀猀椀猀 漀渀 爀攀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀⼀琀甀爀渀漀瘀攀爀 猀琀愀琀椀猀琀椀挀猀⸀  䤀 挀愀渀✀琀 猀愀礀 洀甀挀栀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀ഊretention/turnover issue (to solve it would require a 1-to-1 matchup ਀漀昀 漀氀搀 瀀爀椀渀琀漀甀琀猀⼀搀愀琀愀昀椀氀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀礀 漀爀 洀愀礀 渀漀琀 攀砀椀猀琀⤀Ⰰ 戀甀琀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 椀猀猀甀攀 漀昀 吀䤀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 搀甀爀椀渀最 漀甀爀 琀攀爀洀 愀猀 攀搀椀琀漀爀猀Ⰰ ⌀㔀㘀 堀嘀ⰀഊFall 1980, had a print run of just over 2,000. Our last print run ਀昀漀爀 椀猀猀甀攀 ⌀㘀㜀 栀愀搀 愀 瀀爀椀渀琀 爀甀渀 漀昀 眀攀氀氀 漀瘀攀爀 㠀Ⰰ   ⸀  匀漀 琀栀漀猀攀 琀栀爀攀攀ഊyears saw a tripling of our official subscribing membership. ਀伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 洀甀挀栀 漀昀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 瀀攀渀琀 甀瀀 搀攀洀愀渀搀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 吀䤀✀猀ഊfor-some-time-less-than-dependable publishing schedule, ਀猀漀 䤀✀洀 猀甀爀攀 漀甀爀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 ⠀挀漀渀琀爀愀猀琀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀⤀ 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀ഊ"players" did not increase as rapidly. ਀ഊBertram of Bearington ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀愀洀氀戀 愀琀 漀瀀琀椀氀椀渀欀⸀唀唀䌀倀 ⠀匀愀洀 䈀愀猀猀攀琀琀⤀ഊDate: 19 Sep 91 19:54:40 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 伀瀀琀椀氀椀渀欀 䌀漀爀瀀漀爀愀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 倀攀琀愀氀甀洀愀Ⰰ 䌀䄀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㄀㤀㤀㄀匀攀瀀㄀㠀⸀㄀㘀㔀㠀㐀㠀⸀㄀㄀㄀㈀㤀 愀琀 愀最漀爀愀⸀甀甀挀瀀㸀Ⰰ 戀礀 琀爀椀昀椀搀 愀琀 愀最漀爀愀⸀甀甀挀瀀 ⠀刀漀愀搀猀琀攀爀 刀愀挀攀眀攀爀欀猀⤀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀 ഊ> Interesting... I have always been told one must be a member to hold office ਀㸀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 猀漀洀攀 氀攀最愀氀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀栀愀爀琀攀爀 ⠀愀爀最甀攀洀攀渀琀 戀攀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 昀漀氀欀 渀漀琀ഊ> holding membership are not legal representatives of the SCA). Is this just ਀㸀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 猀椀氀氀礀 匀䌀䄀甀爀戀愀渀 氀攀最攀渀搀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 一椀挀䴀愀漀椀氀愀渀ഊ> trifid at agora.rain.com ਀ഊ There is a great deal of history to this particular arguement -- it ਀眀愀猀 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀漀渀攀猀 漀昀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀 眀栀攀渀 䤀 眀愀猀 匀琀攀眀愀爀搀⸀  吀栀攀 爀甀氀椀渀最 栀愀猀 戀攀挀漀洀攀ഊmuch more explicit than in my day -- there was not an ABSOLUTE requirement ਀琀栀攀渀Ⰰ 愀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀眀⸀ഊ ਀        吀栀攀 ∀瀀爀漀∀ 猀椀搀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀爀最甀攀洀攀渀琀 眀愀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀 漀爀搀攀爀 琀漀 愀挀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊSociety, one had to be a member. ਀ഊ The "con" side usually devolved down to "I don't wanna; there is no ਀猀甀挀栀 琀栀椀渀最 愀猀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 开栀攀爀攀开 ⴀⴀ 眀攀 樀甀猀琀 洀攀攀琀 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀椀渀最猀 ഊMedieaval; what does it matter as long as things get done?" ਀ഊ Well, mundane law has some things to be said about membership -- it is ਀渀漀琀 愀猀 挀氀攀愀爀ⴀ挀甀琀 愀猀 漀渀攀 氀椀欀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀 洀攀洀戀攀爀 椀猀 椀渀 愀 洀甀挀栀 戀攀琀琀攀爀 瀀漀猀椀琀椀漀渀 琀漀ഊmake deals and contracts for an organization than a non-member is. ਀ഊ As for the first "con" arguement -- we've all had to deal with ਀猀渀漀琀琀礀 愀搀漀氀攀猀挀攀渀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀        䘀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 ⴀⴀ 䤀 渀漀琀攀 琀栀愀琀 猀漀洀攀 匀琀攀眀愀爀搀 愀昀琀攀爀 洀攀 洀愀渀愀最攀搀 琀漀ഊsettle that particular bit of nonsense -- probably by siccing the IRS on ਀琀栀攀 ∀渀漀渀ⴀ攀砀椀猀琀攀渀琀∀ 漀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 愀猀欀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀 洀漀渀攀礀 戀攀椀渀最 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀⸀ഊRemember, folks, one of the chief reasons for incorporating the Society ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 瀀愀氀挀攀 眀愀猀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 琀栀攀 琀愀砀 琀栀椀攀瘀攀猀 愀渀搀 戀甀猀椀戀漀搀椀攀猀 漀甀琀 漀昀 漀甀爀ഊpockets -- just look at how much it costs to publish an issue of your local ਀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 渀攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 搀攀挀椀搀攀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 愀昀昀漀爀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀氀 漀昀ഊthat added to your income for taxing purposes . . . ਀ഊ As to the third, Cariadoc and I have been having this arguement for ਀攀渀琀椀爀攀氀礀 琀漀漀 氀漀渀最 ⴀⴀ 䤀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 愀最爀攀攀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 猀攀渀琀椀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 开䠀䔀开 搀漀攀猀 愀 最漀漀搀ഊjob in all things that I know about, but not everyone has the character and ਀愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 搀漀攀猀 ⴀⴀ 漀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 眀椀琀栀 䴀甀渀搀愀渀椀愀 眀愀猀 椀渀 欀攀攀瀀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊIRS convinced that the Society was indeed an educational organization which ਀眀愀猀⼀椀猀 眀漀爀琀栀礀 漀昀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀愀砀ⴀ攀砀攀洀瀀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀⸀  䤀昀 琀栀攀礀 漀渀挀攀 最攀琀 椀琀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊheads that this is an on-going costume party whose sole reason for existence ਀椀猀 琀漀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀 洀漀渀攀礀 昀漀爀 搀爀甀渀欀攀渀 漀爀最椀攀猀 ⴀⴀ 琀栀攀爀攀 最漀攀猀 琀栀攀 攀砀攀洀瀀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ I assume that one of my successors managed to win the battle with ਀琀栀攀 䤀渀昀攀爀渀愀氀 刀漀戀戀攀爀礀 匀欀甀渀欀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 愀猀 氀愀琀攀 愀猀 ㄀㤀㜀㐀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀愀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 椀昀昀礀 ⸀ ⸀ ⸀ഊ-- ਀匀愀洀✀氀 䈀愀猀猀攀琀琀 ⴀⴀ 匀礀猀琀攀洀 䄀搀洀椀渀椀猀琀爀愀琀漀爀 ⠀愀洀漀渀最 漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀椀渀最猀⤀ഊ7 Gothic Court, Novato CA 94947; 1-415-897-7424 ਀唀唀䌀倀㨀  甀甀渀攀琀℀漀瀀琀椀氀椀渀欀℀猀愀洀氀戀㬀  䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀㨀 猀愀洀氀戀 愀琀 眀攀氀氀⸀猀昀⸀挀愀⸀甀猀ഊCompuserve: 71735,1776; WU Easylink: ESL 6284-3034; MCI: SBassett ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀挀戀 愀琀 挀挀椀㘀㌀㈀⸀挀挀椀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䐀漀甀最氀愀猀 䈀爀愀椀渀愀爀搀⤀ഊDate: 20 Sep 91 15:23:13 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 昀漀爀 䌀爀攀愀琀椀瘀攀 䄀渀愀挀栀爀漀渀椀猀洀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 甀渀琀漀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀漀爀琀栀礀 最攀渀琀氀攀猀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀Ⰰ ഊfrom Corwin of Darkwater! ਀ഊ[Gee, I must be famous now, I've been quoted in a .sig file 8-)] ਀ഊI "found" the SCA about 12 1/2 years ago. After meeting the seneschal of ਀䴀礀爀欀昀愀攀氀椀渀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 戀攀椀渀最 琀漀氀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 戀攀 愀 昀攀愀猀琀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最ഊSaturday, I went off with new-found glee, purchased some upholstery fabric ਀爀攀猀攀愀爀挀栀攀搀 愀 渀愀洀攀 ⠀䄀䔀氀昀眀椀渀攀 漀昀 䴀礀爀欀昀愀攀氀椀渀渀⤀Ⰰ 琀愀氀欀攀搀 愀 昀爀椀攀渀搀 椀渀琀漀 猀攀眀椀渀最ഊsomething together ("Who needs a pattern? Just sew it together here and ਀琀栀攀爀攀 愀渀搀 洀愀欀攀 椀琀 氀漀漀欀 氀椀欀攀 琀栀攀 瀀椀挀琀甀爀攀℀∀⤀Ⰰ 戀漀甀最栀琀 猀漀洀攀 昀攀愀猀琀 最攀愀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊshowed up at my first event. Unfortunately, and for entirely mundane ਀瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 爀攀愀猀漀渀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 渀椀渀攀 礀攀愀爀 最愀瀀 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 洀礀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀椀爀搀ഊevent. These things happen. That first event was largely forgotten. ਀ഊFortunately for posterity (or not, as you prefer) I recorded my impressions ਀椀渀 愀 氀攀琀琀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 漀渀氀礀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 爀攀ⴀ搀椀猀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀⸀ 䤀 栀漀瀀攀 礀漀甀 昀椀渀搀 椀琀 琀漀 戀攀ഊof some interest. The original text has not been changed. An introduction ਀愀渀椀 愀渀渀漀琀愀琀椀漀渀猀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀搀搀攀搀 愀猀 愀渀 愀椀搀 琀漀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀攀砀琀⸀ഊ ਀ഊ A Winter Tourney & Feast ਀                       戀礀 䰀漀爀搀 䌀漀爀眀椀渀 漀昀 䐀愀爀欀眀愀琀攀爀ഊ ਀                             䈀攀椀渀最 愀渀 䄀挀挀漀甀渀琀ഊ of the ਀                           䄀甀琀栀漀爀✀猀 䘀椀爀猀琀 䔀瘀攀渀琀ഊ Annotated by the Author 12 1/2 Years Later ਀ഊEveryone was new, once. However, it is often difficult to think back and really ਀甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 攀砀愀挀琀氀礀 栀漀眀 礀漀甀 昀攀氀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 礀漀甀爀 昀椀爀猀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀Ⰰ 洀攀洀漀爀椀攀猀 戀攀椀渀最 挀氀漀甀搀攀搀 ഊby time. The following account was written on the 25th day of February, Anno ਀匀漀挀椀愀琀愀琀椀猀 堀䤀䤀䤀Ⰰ 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 爀攀椀最渀 漀昀 䈀攀爀琀爀愀渀搀 愀渀搀 䄀氀氀愀渀搀愀Ⰰ 䬀椀渀最 愀渀搀 儀甀攀攀渀 漀昀 ഊthe East, that being the day after my first event. ਀ഊ"Saturday I got up and put the finishing touches[1] on my costume[2]. It now ਀氀漀漀欀猀 愀猀 猀栀漀眀渀嬀㌀崀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀✀瘀攀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀搀 愀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀嬀㐀崀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 氀攀昀琀 ഊover[5]. It should be re-done[6] someday[7] (to improve on the [ahem] quality) ਀愀渀搀 䤀 猀琀椀氀氀 渀攀攀搀嬀㠀崀 猀栀漀攀猀Ⰰ 愀 猀挀愀戀戀愀爀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 栀愀琀 ⠀琀漀 挀漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 愀渀琀攀渀渀愀攀嬀㤀崀Ⰰ 漀昀 ഊcourse). ਀ഊAnyway, I went to Cornell[10] at about noon, and learned that I was early, so I ਀栀攀氀瀀攀搀 漀甀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 欀椀琀挀栀攀渀嬀㄀㄀崀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 搀椀渀椀渀最 爀漀漀洀 昀漀爀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 栀漀甀爀猀嬀㄀㈀崀⸀ 吀栀攀渀 䤀 ഊwatched the tournament (not being able to do anything else but) and got ਀琀栀漀爀漀甀最栀氀礀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀嬀㄀㌀崀⸀ 䤀 猀甀瀀瀀漀猀攀 䤀✀氀氀 氀攀愀爀渀嬀㄀㐀崀⸀ഊ ਀䄀昀琀攀爀眀愀爀搀猀Ⰰ 䤀 眀攀渀琀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䐀椀渀椀渀最 䄀爀攀愀嬀㄀㔀崀 攀愀爀氀礀 愀渀搀 挀栀愀渀最攀搀 椀渀琀漀 洀礀 ഊ"garb"[16] (the Fighting[17] and Eating[18] areas were separated by a large ਀攀砀瀀愀渀猀攀 漀昀 挀漀氀搀 漀甀琀猀椀搀攀嬀㄀㤀崀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 眀栀椀挀栀 洀礀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀嬀㈀ 崀 椀猀 渀漀琀 猀甀椀琀愀戀氀攀嬀㈀㄀崀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䐀椀渀渀攀爀 戀攀最愀渀 愀琀 㜀倀䴀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 眀愀猀 焀甀椀琀攀 昀愀洀椀猀栀攀搀嬀㈀㈀崀⸀ 䤀琀 眀愀猀 椀渀 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 ഊcourses[23] (something like the Royale Dump[24]) only the foods were ਀愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀嬀㈀㔀崀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀 搀椀猀栀攀猀⸀ 倀爀攀琀琀礀 最漀漀搀Ⰰ 琀漀漀Ⰰ 椀昀 礀漀甀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 愀 栀愀氀昀 ഊdozen folk had to cook for over 60 people[26] in a kitchen dinkier[27] than ਀洀椀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀䔀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 氀漀瘀攀搀 洀礀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀嬀㈀㠀崀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 渀漀 漀渀攀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 洀攀嬀㈀㤀崀 ⠀渀漀琀 ഊsurprising, no one had ever met me). All of the locals asked me where I was ਀昀爀漀洀Ⰰ 琀栀椀渀欀椀渀最 䤀 眀愀猀 昀爀漀洀 䈀漀猀琀漀渀嬀㌀ 崀 漀爀 刀漀挀栀攀猀琀攀爀嬀㌀㄀崀 漀爀 䈀甀昀昀愀氀漀嬀㌀㈀崀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀爀攀 ഊsomewhat confused when I said I lived in Ithaca[33]. When I explained that I ਀眀愀猀 愀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀爀爀椀瘀愀氀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀漀渀昀甀猀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 挀氀攀愀爀攀搀 甀瀀⸀ഊ ਀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 愀昀琀攀爀 搀椀渀渀攀爀嬀㌀㐀崀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 搀愀渀挀椀渀最嬀㌀㔀崀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 䤀 氀椀欀攀搀 瘀攀爀礀 洀甀挀栀Ⰰ 昀漀氀氀漀眀攀搀 ഊby some court games (Blind Man's Bluff) and more dances. Then, with everyone ਀猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 攀砀栀愀甀猀琀攀搀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀愀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 愀 渀椀最栀琀 ⠀戀攀椀渀最 ㄀㨀㌀  椀渀 琀栀攀 䄀䴀⤀ 愀渀搀 愀氀氀 ഊdeparted. ਀ഊ____________________ ਀ഊ1 SCA Truism: Garb is not to be completed before the day of the event. ਀㈀       䜀愀爀戀⸀ഊ3 Pseudo-medieval girdled mantle. Undertunic by Danskin. ਀㐀       䈀氀甀攀Ⰰ 瀀猀攀甀搀漀ⴀ猀椀氀欀 戀爀漀挀愀搀攀⸀ 䤀 眀椀猀栀 䤀 栀愀搀 戀漀甀最栀琀 琀栀攀 最爀攀攀渀Ⰰ 琀漀漀⸀ഊ5 SCA Truism: There is always material left over. ਀㘀       匀䌀䄀 吀爀甀椀猀洀㨀 䄀氀氀 最愀爀戀 渀攀攀搀猀 琀漀 戀攀 爀攀ⴀ搀漀渀攀 愀琀 氀攀愀猀琀 漀渀挀攀⸀ഊ7 It never was. ਀㠀       匀䌀䄀 吀爀甀椀猀洀㨀 吀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 攀渀漀甀最栀 愀挀挀攀猀猀漀爀椀攀猀⸀ഊ9 To explain this would require a lengthy discussion of the Galactic ਀        䄀爀挀栀椀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 䤀洀瀀攀爀椀愀氀 䴀愀爀琀椀愀渀 匀琀漀甀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䘀愀渀渀椀猀栀 倀漀氀椀琀椀挀猀 椀渀 唀瀀猀琀愀琀攀 ഊ New York. Another time. ਀㄀       刀椀猀氀攀礀 䠀愀氀氀Ⰰ 䴀礀爀欀昀愀攀氀椀渀渀Ⰰ 䄀䔀琀栀攀氀洀攀愀爀挀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀ഊ11 SCA Truism: They always need help in the kitchen. ਀㄀㈀      䰀漀琀猀愀 ∀䄀琀琀愀 戀漀礀猀⸀∀ഊ13 I still do. ਀㄀㐀      一漀瀀攀⸀ഊ15 Feast Hall. ਀㄀㘀      一漀琀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 甀猀攀 漀昀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀 琀攀爀洀椀渀漀氀漀最礀⸀ 吀栀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 焀甀漀琀愀琀椀漀渀 ഊ marks indicates that usage will not continue. ਀㄀㜀      䰀椀猀琀 嬀䔀爀椀欀Ⰰ 椀渀 猀漀洀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀崀⸀ഊ18 Feast. ਀㄀㤀      吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀礀瀀椀挀愀氀 漀昀 洀漀猀琀 眀椀渀琀攀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀⸀ഊ20 Told you. ਀㈀㄀      吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀礀瀀椀挀愀氀 漀昀 洀漀猀琀 最愀爀戀 眀漀爀渀 愀琀 洀漀猀琀 眀椀渀琀攀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀⸀ ഊ22 SCA Truism: Everyone is hungry by the time the feast is ready. ਀㈀㌀      刀攀洀漀瘀攀猀⸀ഊ24 A Dinner Theater in St. Louis, MO, featuring King Henry VIII, buxom ਀        猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 眀攀渀挀栀攀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 氀愀挀欀 漀昀 攀愀琀椀渀最 甀琀攀渀猀椀氀猀⸀ഊ25 As if I would know. ਀㈀㘀      吀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 椀琀 氀甀挀欀礀Ⰰ 戀愀挀欀 琀栀攀渀⸀ഊ27 We are talking SMALL. ਀㈀㠀      䜀愀爀戀⸀ഊ29 In the year XIII of the Society, everyone knew everyone. ਀㌀       䌀愀爀漀氀椀渀最椀愀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀ഊ31 Thescorre, AEthelmearc, East ਀㌀㈀      刀栀礀搀搀攀爀椀挀栀 䠀愀攀氀Ⰰ 䄀䔀琀栀攀氀洀攀愀爀挀Ⰰ 䔀愀猀琀ഊ33 Myrkfaelinn, AEthelmearc, East ਀㌀㐀      䘀攀愀猀琀⸀ഊ35 Horse's Bransle, etc. ਀ഊ----;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ਀   ⼀簀    䰀漀爀搀 䌀漀爀眀椀渀 漀昀 䐀愀爀欀眀愀琀攀爀           䌀栀爀漀渀椀挀氀攀爀猀 挀愀渀 攀搀椀琀 渀愀洀攀猀 漀甀琀   ഊ ( { Scribe for Brewers as easily as visionaries can ਀   紀 尀    䈀爀攀眀攀爀 昀漀爀 匀挀爀椀戀攀猀                渀漀椀猀攀 琀栀攀洀 愀戀爀漀愀搀⸀ഊ / \ Thescorre, AEthelmearc, East Brother Cadfael ਀ 笀     紀  䐀漀甀最氀愀猀 䈀爀愀椀渀愀爀搀Ⰰ 刀漀挀栀攀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 一夀   ഊ \___/ dcb at ccird7.cci.com ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀搀昀爀 愀琀 焀甀愀搀猀⸀甀挀栀椀挀愀最漀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀搀愀瘀椀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⤀ഊDate: 17 Oct 91 00:35:50 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀栀椀挀愀最漀ഊ ਀䄀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 栀愀瘀攀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 最漀氀搀 挀栀愀椀渀猀 愀爀攀ഊused by knights and silver by squires, while in the East both gold ਀愀渀搀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 愀爀攀 甀猀攀搀 戀礀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀⸀ 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 漀昀昀攀爀 愀 最甀攀猀猀 愀戀漀甀琀ഊthe reason. ਀ഊA very long time ago, when I was living in the East, I made silver ਀挀栀愀椀渀猀 昀漀爀 洀礀猀攀氀昀 愀渀搀 洀礀 戀氀漀漀搀 戀爀漀琀栀攀爀猀 䄀猀戀樀漀爀渀 愀渀搀 倀愀琀爀椀⸀ 伀渀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀ഊwas that Patri does not wear gold for aesthetic reasons. Another was ਀琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀搀 挀漀洀攀 愀挀爀漀猀猀 愀 爀攀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀 琀漀 愀 爀攀氀椀最椀漀甀猀 瀀爀漀栀椀戀椀琀椀漀渀 椀渀ഊIslam against men wearing gold except on the belt (it turns out that ਀椀琀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀猀 琀漀 猀椀氀瘀攀爀 琀漀漀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀椀搀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀渀⤀⸀ 䄀渀漀琀栀攀爀 眀愀猀ഊthat real silver chains are a lot less expensive to make than real ਀最漀氀搀 挀栀愀椀渀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀攀 氀椀欀攀搀 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀 爀攀愀氀 挀栀愀椀渀猀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀ഊprobably other reasons as well. ਀ഊThe result was, that for part of the fairly early history of the ਀欀椀渀最搀漀洀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀琀 愀氀氀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀Ⰰ 琀栀爀攀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 栀愀搀ഊsilver chains. My guess is that that is the reason for the different ਀琀爀愀搀椀琀椀漀渀ⴀⴀ戀甀琀 椀琀 椀猀 漀渀氀礀 愀 最甀攀猀猀⸀ഊ ਀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: whheydt at PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㜀 伀挀琀 㤀㄀ ㄀㜀㨀㈀ 㨀㐀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA ਀ഊIn article ag1v+ at andrew.cmu.edu (Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz) writes: ਀㸀ഊ>These badges were passed before the College of Arms knew a great deal about ਀㸀洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 愀爀洀漀爀礀⸀  匀漀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀愀搀最攀猀 愀爀攀 琀椀渀挀琀甀爀攀氀攀猀猀 ⠀椀⸀攀⸀ 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀ഊ>color). ਀ഊI afraid that just isn't so. The SCA was working with armory for a ਀昀攀眀 礀攀愀爀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 戀愀搀最攀猀ⴀⴀ攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 眀椀琀栀 渀漀 琀椀渀挀琀甀爀攀猀ⴀⴀ眀攀爀攀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀ഊup. Badges were invented in the Society to cover registration of ਀琀栀椀渀最猀 琀栀愀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 戀甀琀 ⠀昀漀爀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 爀攀愀猀漀渀猀⤀ 眀攀爀攀渀✀琀 瘀愀椀氀搀ഊas heraldic devices. The specific item that caused this to happen ਀眀愀猀ⴀⴀഊ ਀吀栀攀 刀漀洀愀渀 一甀洀攀爀愀氀猀Ⰰ 䴀堀ⴀ戀愀爀Ⰰഊ ਀圀栀椀挀栀 椀猀 爀攀最椀猀琀攀爀攀搀 琀漀ⴀⴀഊ ਀        ⴀⴀ䠀愀氀 刀愀瘀渀ഊ ਀        䠀愀氀 刀愀瘀渀Ⰰ 倀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀猀琀猀Ⰰ 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706, 415/524-8321 (home) ਀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀ഊHal Heydt | The workers united . . . ਀䄀渀愀氀礀猀琀Ⰰ 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀⨀䈀攀氀氀        簀      吀栀爀攀眀 漀昀昀 琀栀攀椀爀 挀栀愀椀渀猀 ⸀ ⸀ ⸀ഊ510-823-5447 | And the state is withering away. ਀眀栀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 瀀戀栀礀愀⸀倀愀挀䈀攀氀氀⸀䌀伀䴀    簀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: ddfr at quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㠀 伀挀琀 㤀㄀ ㈀㌀㨀㐀㄀㨀㔀㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of Chicago ਀ഊEuriol cites a story about a Baron in Poland forcing his peasants to ਀最爀漀眀 愀渀搀 攀愀琀 瀀漀琀愀琀漀攀猀Ⰰ 椀渀 漀爀搀攀爀 琀漀 漀瘀攀爀挀漀洀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 瀀爀攀樀甀搀椀挀攀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀ഊare a couple of problems with this sort of story as evidence. To ਀戀攀最椀渀 眀椀琀栀Ⰰ 攀瘀攀渀 椀昀 琀爀甀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 漀渀氀礀 猀栀漀眀猀 琀栀愀琀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀琀 漀渀攀 瀀氀愀挀攀 椀渀ഊone time regarded potatoes as poisonous. Further, unless you have ਀愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 猀攀攀渀 琀栀攀 猀琀漀爀礀 椀渀 愀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 挀漀渀琀攀洀瀀漀爀愀爀礀 眀椀琀栀 琀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀Ⰰ 礀漀甀ഊshould regard it with considerable scepticism. Good stories get ਀爀攀瀀攀愀琀攀搀Ⰰ 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 漀爀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 琀爀甀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 漀渀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀Ⰰ 椀渀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀Ⰰഊsuspect any historical anecdote sufficiently entertaining to have ਀猀甀爀瘀椀瘀攀搀 漀渀 椀琀猀 氀椀琀攀爀愀爀礀 洀攀爀椀琀猀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 椀猀 琀爀甀攀 漀昀 匀䌀䄀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀ഊDespite the usual tag about the king who declared war on himself, I ਀眀愀猀 欀椀渀最 漀昀 渀攀椀琀栀攀爀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 渀漀爀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 愀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 眀愀猀ഊdeclared. ਀ഊCariadoc ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 眀栀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 倀愀挀䈀攀氀氀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊDate: 21 Oct 91 17:49:05 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀 ⨀ 䈀攀氀氀Ⰰ 匀愀渀 刀愀洀漀渀Ⰰ 䌀䄀ഊ ਀匀椀渀挀攀 渀漀 漀渀攀 攀氀猀攀 栀愀猀 琀愀欀攀渀 甀瀀 琀栀椀猀 琀愀猀欀Ⰰ 䤀 最甀攀猀猀 椀琀 昀愀氀氀猀 琀漀 洀攀 琀漀ഊannounce that on Wednesday last (October 16), Lady Ellen ਀䌀爀漀猀猀攀搀ⴀ儀甀椀氀氀猀 ⠀䔀氀氀攀渀 䠀漀搀最栀攀愀搀⤀ 搀椀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀匀栀攀 搀椀攀搀 愀琀 栀漀洀攀 眀椀琀栀 栀攀爀 昀愀洀椀氀礀⸀  匀栀攀 栀愀搀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 戀攀攀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊhospital with a severe case of pneumonia and had been allowed to go ਀栀漀洀攀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀瘀椀漀甀猀 搀愀礀⸀  匀栀攀 椀猀 猀甀爀瘀椀瘀攀搀 戀礀 栀攀爀 栀甀猀戀愀渀搀Ⰰ 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䈀攀瘀攀爀氀礀ഊHodghead, children including David of Illwerlaine and Duchess Marynel ਀漀昀 䐀愀爀欀栀愀瘀攀渀 愀渀搀 最爀愀渀搀挀栀椀氀搀爀攀渀⸀ഊ ਀䔀氀氀攀渀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 渀漀琀 愀琀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 瀀愀爀琀礀 椀渀 䐀椀愀渀愀✀猀 戀愀挀欀 礀愀爀搀Ⰰ 眀愀猀ഊactive in the Society for many years. While Master Beverly was ਀✀䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䄀爀琀椀昀椀挀攀爀✀ 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 愀渀搀 栀攀氀瀀攀搀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 甀猀ഊwith advice, tools and teaching, Ellen tended the 'domestic' ਀搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⸀  栀攀爀 栀漀洀攀 眀愀猀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 昀漀爀 猀攀眀椀渀最 愀渀搀ഊcooking and she helped many of those you think of as old timers get ਀琀栀攀椀爀 昀攀攀琀 猀攀琀琀氀攀搀 瀀爀漀瀀攀爀氀礀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 昀漀爀 䔀氀氀攀渀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀ഊWest Kingdom AA-level service award was instituted, and she was the ਀昀椀爀猀琀 爀攀挀椀瀀椀攀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀匀栀攀 眀椀氀氀 戀攀 洀椀猀猀攀搀 戀礀 愀氀氀 漀昀 甀猀 眀栀漀 眀攀爀攀 琀漀甀挀栀攀搀 戀礀 栀攀爀 氀椀昀攀⸀ഊ ਀        ⴀⴀ䠀愀氀ഊ ਀        䠀愀氀 刀愀瘀渀Ⰰ 倀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀猀琀猀Ⰰ 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: whheydt at PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㌀ 伀挀琀 㤀㄀ ㄀㔀㨀㌀㠀㨀㈀  䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA ਀ഊIn article <1991Oct22.034728.4913 at midway.uchicago.edu> ddfr at quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman) writes: ਀㸀ഊ>"I *love* facts "everybody knows" are "wrong"!" (NicMaoilan) ਀㸀ഊ>This sounds like a good beginning for a thread. Presumably it should ਀㸀椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 戀漀琀栀 琀栀椀渀最猀 ∀攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 欀渀漀眀猀 愀爀攀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀∀ 琀栀愀琀 愀爀攀渀✀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊ>things "everyone knows are not period" that are. ਀ഊ[Several interesting examples deleted.] ਀ഊHere's one for the first category. I have run into any number of ਀昀漀氀欀猀 眀栀漀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 ∀攀爀椀挀∀ 椀猀 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 琀攀爀洀 昀漀爀 氀椀猀琀猀 漀爀 琀栀攀 戀漀爀搀攀爀ഊto the lists. In fact, it is an SCA construct. The first ਀昀椀攀氀搀ⴀ攀搀最攀ⴀ洀愀爀欀攀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 眀愀猀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 爀攀搀 挀氀漀琀栀 栀攀氀搀 甀瀀 戀礀ഊstakes made of coat-hanger wire. It was nicknamed "Eric the Red". ਀䰀愀琀攀爀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 洀漀爀攀 戀漀爀搀攀爀 眀愀猀 渀攀攀搀攀搀Ⰰ 愀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 戀愀琀挀栀 眀愀猀 洀愀搀攀 漀昀 礀攀氀氀漀眀ഊcloth and was known as "the yellow peril". Along about this time the ਀琀眀漀 戀攀挀愀洀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 欀渀漀眀 愀猀 ✀琀栀攀 攀爀椀挀✀⸀  一漀眀 椀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀ഊbecoming common to refer to filed enclosed by the eric (which properly ਀漀甀最栀琀 琀漀 戀攀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 ∀琀栀攀 䰀椀猀琀猀∀⤀ 椀猀 戀攀椀渀最 爀攀昀攀爀爀攀搀 琀漀 愀猀 ∀琀栀攀 攀爀椀挀∀⸀ഊ ਀        ⴀⴀ䠀愀氀ഊ ਀        䠀愀氀 刀愀瘀渀Ⰰ 倀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀猀琀猀Ⰰ 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706, 415/524-8321 (home) ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀搀昀爀 愀琀 焀甀愀搀猀⸀甀挀栀椀挀愀最漀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀搀愀瘀椀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⤀ഊDate: 28 Oct 91 03:54:55 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀栀椀挀愀最漀ഊ ਀           匀愀洀甀攀氀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 伀爀椀最椀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䠀漀爀搀攀ഊ ਀∀吀栀攀 瀀漀椀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 挀漀渀猀瀀椀爀愀挀礀 眀愀猀 琀漀 瀀甀渀挀琀甀爀攀 琀栀攀 瀀爀攀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀猀 漀昀ഊvarious high muckety-mucks who were parading around and saying "I'm ਀琀栀攀 䐀甀欀攀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 ⠀漀爀 䈀愀爀漀渀 夀愀琀琀愀戀氀愀琀⤀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 礀✀ 最漀琀琀愀 戀漀眀✀渀✀猀挀爀愀瀀攀 琀✀ഊme, 'cause yer only a peasant"." (Sam'l Bassett, describing the ਀漀爀椀最椀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䐀愀爀欀 䠀漀爀搀攀⤀⸀ഊ ਀匀愀洀甀攀氀✀猀 愀戀椀氀椀琀礀 琀漀 爀攀愀搀 洀椀渀搀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀眀漀 琀栀漀甀猀愀渀搀 洀椀氀攀猀 愀眀愀礀 洀甀猀琀 栀愀瘀攀ഊbeen very useful to him as Steward--which may explain some of the ਀攀愀爀氀礀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀⸀ 䠀愀瘀椀渀最 戀攀攀渀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 挀氀漀猀攀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀ഊorigin of the Horde, I would suggest that his interpretation is not ਀攀渀琀椀爀攀氀礀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀⸀ 吀漀 戀攀最椀渀 眀椀琀栀 愀 洀椀渀漀爀 瀀漀椀渀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 渀漀 搀甀欀攀猀 椀渀ഊthe Middle Kingdom at the time the horde was formed and very few ਀戀愀爀漀渀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 挀漀爀攀 最爀漀甀瀀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀漀爀搀攀Ⰰ 猀漀 昀愀爀 愀猀 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 琀攀氀氀Ⰰഊdid not consist of people who had already been active in the Society, ਀搀椀猀氀椀欀攀搀 眀栀愀琀 琀栀攀礀 猀愀眀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀攀愀挀琀攀搀 愀最愀椀渀猀琀 椀琀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 爀愀琀栀攀爀 漀昀 愀 最爀漀甀瀀ഊof friends who had observed the Society and decided how they would ਀氀椀欀攀 琀漀 攀渀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 椀渀琀攀爀愀挀琀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 戀愀猀椀挀 椀搀攀愀 ⠀漀琀栀攀爀 琀栀愀渀 夀愀渀最✀猀 搀攀猀椀爀攀 琀漀 搀漀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 搀爀愀洀愀琀椀挀 愀渀搀ഊinteresting), so far as I could judge, was to provide an "enemy" to ਀琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀Ⰰ 漀渀 琀栀攀 琀栀攀漀爀礀 琀栀愀琀 搀漀椀渀最 猀漀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 渀漀琀 漀渀氀礀 昀甀渀ഊbut useful--that a group of people who believed in the same ਀甀渀搀攀爀氀礀椀渀最 椀搀攀愀猀 漀昀 栀漀渀漀爀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 漀爀琀栀漀搀漀砀 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊprofessed to believe in but clothed them in different forms and ਀爀攀昀甀猀攀搀 琀漀 瀀甀琀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 甀渀搀攀爀 琀栀攀 洀漀爀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀椀琀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀砀椀猀琀椀渀最ഊKingdom hierarcy would provide both dramatic tension and some useful ਀挀漀洀瀀攀琀椀琀椀漀渀⸀ 吀栀椀猀 瀀氀愀渀 爀愀渀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀礀 琀栀愀琀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀ഊupsets SCA wars--the tendency of people to take too seriously the ਀挀漀渀昀氀椀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 戀攀椀渀最 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 猀栀愀瀀攀 琀栀攀 搀爀愀洀愀 漀昀 眀栀愀琀 椀猀 戀攀椀渀最 搀漀渀攀⸀ഊAfter some years Yang apparently concluded that it was not working, ਀愀渀搀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 瀀甀戀氀椀挀氀礀 愀渀渀漀甀渀挀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 䠀漀爀搀攀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 琀栀攀ഊenemy after all. A while after that he dropped out, and I have only ਀挀愀猀甀愀氀 漀戀猀攀爀瘀愀琀椀漀渀 漀渀 氀愀琀攀爀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀洀攀渀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀∀吀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 猀攀攀Ⰰ 愀 琀椀洀攀 漀渀挀攀 氀漀渀最 愀最漀 眀栀攀渀 愀 戀爀愀渀挀栀 眀愀猀 琀爀礀椀渀最 琀漀ഊform somewhere in the southeastern United States, and they had some ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 礀漀甀✀爀攀 栀愀瘀椀渀最⸀  吀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 眀愀猀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀ഊreason unable to attend to them, so they wrote to the other Kingdoms ਀⠀愀氀氀 琀栀爀攀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀⤀ 昀漀爀 栀攀氀瀀⸀  䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀 椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀 眀爀漀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 眀椀琀栀ഊbushels of helpful documents and outpourings of advice. The BoD ਀爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀搀 琀栀攀 昀愀椀琀 愀挀挀漀洀瀀氀椀 愀渀搀 最爀愀渀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 猀漀甀琀栀攀爀渀 唀⸀匀⸀ഊ(what is now Meridies, Ansteorra, and Trimaris) to Atenveldt." ਀⠀䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀⤀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 愀 猀漀洀攀眀栀愀琀 洀椀猀氀攀愀搀椀渀最 搀攀猀挀爀椀瀀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 眀栀愀琀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀攀搀⸀ 吀栀攀爀攀ഊwere at least two existing groups, both already formed and (as I ਀爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀⤀ 栀愀瘀椀渀最 攀砀椀猀琀攀搀 昀漀爀 愀 眀栀椀氀攀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀攀愀 椀渀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀ⴀⴀ漀渀攀 椀渀ഊFlorida and one in Georgia (Wyvernwood and South Downs). Both were ਀瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀⸀ 匀漀洀攀漀渀攀 ⠀漀爀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 漀渀攀⤀ 椀渀 琀栀攀 䜀攀漀爀最椀愀ഊgroup wrote the board expressing a preference for being in Atenveldt. ਀ഊThe Board did not consult the King of the East. The board did not ask ਀昀漀爀 琀栀攀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 愀爀攀愀⸀ 吀栀攀 戀漀愀爀搀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀ഊinform the King of the East that it was considering transfering a ਀氀愀爀最攀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 栀椀猀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 琀漀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 戀漀愀爀搀 搀椀搀 渀漀琀 攀瘀攀渀 椀渀昀漀爀洀ഊthe King of the East after the transfer that it had occurred. The ਀䬀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 昀椀爀猀琀 搀椀猀挀漀瘀攀爀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 愀 猀椀稀愀戀氀攀 挀栀甀渀欀 漀昀 栀椀猀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊhad been given to Atenveldt as a result of a passing mention in a ਀氀攀琀琀攀爀 昀爀漀洀 愀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀 猀漀洀攀 洀漀渀琀栀猀 氀愀琀攀爀℀ 吀栀攀 爀攀猀甀氀琀 眀愀猀 愀ഊchallenge by the then King of the East to the Board of Directors for ਀搀椀猀栀漀渀漀爀愀戀氀攀 戀攀栀愀瘀椀漀爀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 琀栀攀 戀漀愀爀搀 搀攀挀氀椀渀攀搀 琀漀 愀挀挀攀瀀琀Ⰰ 愀瀀瀀愀爀攀渀琀氀礀ഊin the belief that as a mundane institution it had no obligation to ਀愀挀琀 栀漀渀漀爀愀戀氀礀⸀ 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 搀椀最 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀甀琀 漀昀 洀礀 昀椀氀攀猀 椀昀 䤀ഊlooked long enough. The whole incident was one of the reasons, ਀愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 渀漀琀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊregarded the national organization with considerable distrust. ਀ഊIncidentally, the area in question was not "what is now Meridies, ਀䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 吀爀椀洀愀爀椀猀⸀∀ 圀栀愀琀 椀猀 渀漀眀 琀栀攀 戀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 䄀砀攀洀漀漀爀 ⠀一攀眀ഊOrleans) was transferred to Atenveldt from the Middle Kingdom, not ਀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰ 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 愀 礀攀愀爀 攀愀爀氀椀攀爀⸀ 吀栀愀琀 琀爀愀渀猀昀攀爀 眀愀猀 搀漀渀攀ഊproperly--by the King of the Middle at the request of the people in ਀琀栀攀 愀爀攀愀⸀ 䄀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀 眀愀猀 渀攀瘀攀爀 愀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀㬀 䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀ഊknow when it became part of Antenveldt, but since it lies between the ਀漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 䄀琀攀渀 氀愀渀搀猀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 愀爀攀愀 最爀愀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀 戀礀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀ⰀഊI assume it happened before the incidents Dorothea is describing. The ਀漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 䔀愀猀琀⼀圀攀猀琀 戀漀甀渀搀愀爀礀Ⰰ 愀猀 䤀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀Ⰰ 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 䴀椀猀猀椀猀猀椀瀀瀀椀㬀 琀栀攀ഊEast ceded its western lands and the West some of its Eastern to the ਀䴀椀搀搀氀攀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 眀愀猀 挀爀攀愀琀攀搀⸀ഊ ਀䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䈀漀眀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀ഊthe East ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀樀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 最愀爀渀攀琀⸀戀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀⸀攀搀甀ഊDate: 1 Nov 91 04:05:13 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀愀氀椀昀漀爀渀椀愀Ⰰ 䈀攀爀欀攀氀攀礀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㤀㄀㄀ ㌀㄀㄀㜀㐀㔀⸀䄀䄀 㤀㈀㌀㤀 愀琀 椀猀椀⸀挀漀洀㸀 欀攀瘀椀渀─爀漀洀攀⸀搀渀攀琀 愀琀 椀猀椀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀䬀攀瘀椀渀 䐀愀瘀椀猀 䌀漀渀渀攀爀礀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>Fairly obviously, the sovereign of an existing nation [Queen Elizabeth, or ਀㸀倀爀椀渀挀攀 刀愀渀椀攀爀 ⠀猀瀀㼀⤀崀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 攀渀漀甀最栀⸀ 圀栀愀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 ഊ>'lesser' nations, which may go through a dozen monarchs in as many years, ਀㸀眀椀琀栀 瀀攀爀栀愀瀀猀 渀漀 洀漀爀攀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 琀栀愀渀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 栀愀瘀攀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀圀栀攀爀攀 搀漀攀猀 琀栀攀 最愀洀攀 攀渀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 爀攀愀氀椀琀礀 猀琀愀爀琀㼀ഊ> ਀圀愀礀 戀愀挀欀 眀栀攀渀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 搀愀礀猀 眀栀攀渀 䌀愀椀搀 眀愀猀 猀琀椀氀氀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀Ⰰഊwe had somebody who worked on the staff of the Western White House ਀⠀昀漀爀 礀漀甀 欀椀搀猀 眀栀漀 搀漀渀✀琀 最漀 戀愀挀欀 琀栀愀琀 昀愀爀Ⰰ 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 伀爀愀渀最攀 䌀漀甀渀琀礀ഊworking-vacation place of then-President R. M. Nixon). Our staffer ਀愀氀眀愀礀猀 搀攀氀椀瘀攀爀攀搀 椀渀瘀椀琀愀琀椀漀渀猀 琀漀 攀瘀攀爀礀 䌀愀椀搀愀渀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀漀挀椀愀氀ഊsecretary, who would always reply with a polite written regrets. ਀圀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 一椀砀漀渀 眀漀甀氀搀 挀漀洀攀 琀漀 愀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀⸀  䈀甀琀ഊwe were agreed that if he _did,_ he would be treated as a visiting ਀昀漀爀攀椀最渀 搀椀最渀椀琀愀爀礀 愀渀搀 瀀攀爀洀椀琀琀攀搀 琀漀 眀攀愀爀 栀椀猀 焀甀愀椀渀琀 渀愀琀椀瘀攀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀ഊ(suit, tie, etc.). But the Secret Service people he would have to ਀戀爀椀渀最 眀椀琀栀 栀椀洀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 眀攀愀爀 最愀爀戀⸀ഊ ਀搀挀洀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: assbc1 at acad2.alaska.edu ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀ 一漀瘀 㤀㄀  ㈀㨀㐀㐀㨀㐀㈀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: University of Alaska ਀ഊ>> Bland the Black writes: ਀㸀㸀  ഊ>>>And if we truly wished to lay claim to a wee spot o land, I don't believe ਀㸀㸀㸀愀渀琀愀爀挀琀椀挀愀 椀猀 琀愀欀攀渀 ⸀⸀⸀ഊ>> Speaking as a member of the group closest to Antarctica, we may have to ਀㸀㸀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 琀栀椀猀 愀渀 攀渀挀爀漀愀挀栀洀攀渀琀⸀ 㨀⤀ഊ>> ... ਀㸀㸀 ⴀⴀ 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀⸀ഊ> ਀ഊSpeaking as a mamber of the west who was told y the BOD that this was NOT a ਀最漀漀搀 椀搀攀愀Ⰰ⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀眀攀 栀愀搀 愀 洀攀洀攀戀爀 搀漀眀渀 愀琀 䴀挀䴀甀爀搀漀 戀愀猀攀 昀漀爀 愀 眀栀椀氀攀 愀渀搀 琀爀椀攀搀 琀漀 挀氀愀椀洀 椀琀Ⰰ⸀⸀⸀ഊNeedless to say there are treaties that forbid doing this even in jest (or in ਀琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⤀⸀ 琀栀攀 䈀伀䐀 猀愀椀搀 渀漀Ⰰ⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀吀甀挀欀攀渀 搀攀䴀漀渀琀昀漀爀琀Ⰰ 䰀漀爀搀䄀猀栀昀漀爀搀ഊKeeper of the Ducal Sheep ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 愀猀猀戀挀㄀ 愀琀 愀挀愀搀㈀⸀愀氀愀猀欀愀⸀攀搀甀ഊDate: 2 Nov 91 03:04:54 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䄀氀愀猀欀愀ഊ ਀唀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 洀攀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 渀漀戀氀攀 愀渀搀 挀漀洀甀渀椀挀愀琀椀瘀攀 漀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀ⰀഊGreeting from Tucken deMontfort, Lord Ashford,... ਀ഊSeveral years ago when I was but a lad in the shire of Winter'sgate, in the ਀渀漀爀琀栀攀爀渀 洀愀爀挀栀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 眀愀猀 愀 洀愀渀 眀栀漀 眀漀爀欀攀搀Ⰰ 洀甀渀搀愀椀渀攀氀礀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 氀漀挀愀氀 甀渀椀瘀攀爀猀琀椀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 洀愀渀 眀愀猀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 猀挀栀漀氀愀爀 眀愀猀 洀甀挀栀 氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 椀渀 琀栀攀 搀攀愀瀀攀猀琀 愀渀搀 洀漀猀琀 漀挀挀甀氀琀ഊsiences known to man or God (he had a PhD. in plasm Physics and SNOW FLAKE ਀匀吀唀䐀䤀䔀匀Ⰰ 渀漀 樀漀欀攀Ⰰ 眀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 眀栀漀氀攀 搀攀瀀愀爀琀洀攀渀琀 甀瀀 栀攀爀攀 琀栀愀琀 搀攀愀氀猀 眀椀琀栀 猀渀漀眀ഊflakes, but I digress). ਀ഊOnce every year, when the winds would blow and winter would settle round our ਀氀愀渀搀猀 栀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 琀爀愀瘀攀氀Ⰰ 漀渀 愀 猀眀椀昀琀 猀栀椀瀀 ⠀挀漀愀猀琀 最愀甀爀搀 挀甀琀琀攀爀⤀ 琀漀 琀栀攀 猀漀甀琀栀攀爀渀ഊlands (Antarctica). He would weather there for the winter (counting flakes and ਀氀漀漀欀椀渀最 愀琀 琀栀攀 䄀甀爀漀爀愀 䄀甀猀琀爀愀氀椀猀⤀ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀渀 爀攀琀甀爀渀 琀漀 漀甀爀 栀愀瀀瀀礀 猀栀椀爀攀⸀ഊ ਀圀栀攀渀Ⰰ 戀礀 琀栀攀 最爀愀挀攀 漀昀 䜀漀搀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 洀椀最栀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀眀漀爀搀Ⰰ 眀攀 搀爀漀瘀攀 琀栀攀 椀渀瘀愀搀攀爀猀ഊfrom the south far from our land and settled our borders with Trolls of ਀匀攀氀瘀攀爀最愀爀搀Ⰰ 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 最爀愀渀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 琀漀 攀渀漀戀氀攀 漀甀爀 搀攀愀爀 氀愀搀礀 䴀漀爀最愀渀愀 伀✀礀爀昀愀ഊand she was placed in her rightfull role as Baroness Winter'sgate. At this ਀樀甀渀挀琀甀爀攀 眀攀 昀漀甀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 栀愀搀 琀栀攀 爀椀最栀琀 琀漀 挀爀攀愀琀攀 猀栀椀爀攀猀Ⰰ 爀椀搀搀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀ഊcantons. ਀ഊSuch was our obligation to civilize the world and bring the true light of the ਀圀攀猀琀 琀漀 琀栀漀猀攀 搀愀爀欀 猀栀漀爀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 漀甀爀 昀爀攀椀渀搀 猀甀最最攀猀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 瀀攀琀椀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 昀漀爀洀ഊthe shire of the South Lands. The BOD ruled that this was unacceptable because ਀漀昀 挀漀渀琀椀渀甀椀琀礀 ⠀眀攀 琀栀攀渀 猀琀愀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 琀栀攀礀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 樀甀猀琀 最椀瘀攀 攀瘀攀爀礀琀栀椀渀最 戀攀琀眀攀攀渀 琀栀攀ഊnorth and south pole to our Barony and we would administrate it {no, that story ਀愀氀漀渀攀 椀猀 琀漀 氀漀渀最 琀漀 瀀漀猀琀紀⤀ഊ ਀一攀攀搀氀攀猀猀 琀漀 猀愀礀 眀攀 眀攀爀攀 甀渀愀戀氀攀 琀漀 瀀爀漀挀攀攀搀 眀椀琀栀 瀀氀愀渀猀 漀昀 挀漀氀椀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 渀漀琀攀⨀ 䤀渀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 䰀愀眀 䘀伀刀䈀䤀䐀匀 琀栀攀 挀氀愀椀洀椀渀最 漀昀 愀渀礀 瀀愀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊAntartic continent, even for fun or in jest* ਀ഊI thought that last part was funny when I found out that we could have cause an ਀椀渀琀攀爀渀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 椀渀挀椀搀攀渀琀 椀昀 猀漀洀攀 漀渀攀 椀渀 愀 昀漀爀椀攀渀最 挀漀甀渀琀爀礀 栀愀搀 昀漀甀渀搀 漀甀琀 愀渀搀ഊdecided to use it as leverage,...{hee,hee,hee} ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 眀栀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 瀀戀栀礀愀⸀倀愀挀䈀攀氀氀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊDate: 2 Nov 91 17:41:56 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀 ⨀ 䈀攀氀氀Ⰰ 匀愀渀 刀愀洀漀渀Ⰰ 䌀䄀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㄀㤀㤀㄀一漀瘀㄀⸀㄀㄀㔀  㘀⸀㄀ 愀琀 椀搀椀挀氀㄀⸀椀搀椀⸀戀愀琀琀攀氀氀攀⸀漀爀最㸀 栀攀渀搀攀爀猀漀渀 愀琀 椀搀椀挀氀㄀⸀椀搀椀⸀戀愀琀琀攀氀氀攀⸀漀爀最 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>Would it not also be interesting to see how the "second" or "third" ਀㸀⠀愀爀攀 眀攀 漀氀搀 攀渀漀甀最栀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 ∀琀栀椀爀搀∀㼀⤀ 最攀渀攀爀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 昀愀爀椀渀最㼀  䈀礀 琀栀攀ഊ>"second" generation, I mean gentles who were born to parents in the SCA ਀㸀愀渀搀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀洀猀攀氀瘀攀猀 樀漀椀渀攀搀 椀渀琀漀 ∀吀栀攀 䐀爀攀愀洀∀ 愀猀 愀搀甀氀琀猀 ⠀漀爀 渀攀愀爀 愀搀甀氀琀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀䐀攀瀀攀渀搀椀渀最 漀渀 栀漀眀 琀椀最栀琀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 琀漀 爀甀渀 琀栀攀 搀攀昀椀渀椀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 䤀 挀椀琀攀 琀栀攀ഊexample of Liam MacMaire (Bill Hodghead), is old enough for there ਀琀漀 戀攀 愀 ⨀㐀琀栀⨀ 最攀渀攀爀愀琀椀漀渀⸀  䠀椀猀 最爀愀渀搀昀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 愀渀 愀甀渀琀 ⠀䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䈀攀瘀攀爀氀礀ഊHodghead and Duchess Marynell of Darkhaven) were at the Original Party ਀愀渀搀 栀椀猀 昀愀琀栀攀爀 眀愀猀 䰀漀爀搀 䌀栀愀渀挀攀氀氀漀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 昀漀爀 洀愀渀礀ഊyears. ਀ഊWe have recently had Count Stephen of Bellatrix as King. His parents ਀樀漀椀渀攀搀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 眀栀攀渀 栀攀 眀愀猀 愀 挀栀椀氀搀ⴀⴀ愀渀搀Ⰰ 椀渀搀攀攀搀Ⰰ 栀椀猀 礀漀甀渀最攀爀ഊbrother was born in the Society. ਀ഊ --Hal ਀ഊ Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom ਀        圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀Ⰰ 䨀爀⸀Ⰰ  䄀氀戀愀渀礀Ⰰ 䌀䄀 㤀㐀㜀 㘀Ⰰ  㐀㄀㔀⼀㔀㈀㐀ⴀ㠀㌀㈀㄀ ⠀栀漀洀攀⤀ഊ ਀ഊThorfinn Halfblind ਀栀攀渀搀攀爀猀漀渀ഊRe: Antarctic Claims ਀㐀 一漀瘀 㤀㄀ ഊ ਀䴀礀 氀漀爀搀猀Ⰰ 䤀 洀甀猀琀 爀攀瀀攀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 漀渀挀攀 愀最愀椀渀ഊ ਀ ഊMany many moons ago, back when the world was but freshly formed, and there were only a handful of Kingdoms, the Barony of Winters Gate did send one of its members, Joshua the Bleak, to these Fabled Lands, to claim them in the name of the Lord Protector of the Western Lands of Oertha, the Baroness of Winter's gate, and through them, the Crown of the West. ਀ ഊA year or so later, we recieved word from Joshua that he had, indeed, planted the banner of the Barony on the South Pole. ਀ ഊA year after that, Lord John of the Brownwoods did plant a banner upon the North Pole, and did claim all lands between these two banners as Crown Lands and Hunting Preserve of the Prince and Princess of Oertha, to be overseen by the Baroness of Winter's Gate. (The Crown of the West also has priveleges there as well . . .) ਀ ഊWhile he still worked for Alaska Fish and Game, he did defend this challenge every fall when he was flown to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to count caribou. (The wording of the challenge was that any crown that did wish to claim these lands would meet the forces of Oertha at the time and place of His Highness' choosing. John was the autocrat, and he held the event up in ANWR. Mostly because his garb was warm, comfortable, and allowed him to blend in to the scenery.) ਀ ഊFor nearly 5 years, the Oerthan claim to these lands, and all lands between, has gone unchallenged. Even the other Kingdoms have acquiesed in this claim, by paying the true and just excise tax to Oertha as the challenge states. (Something about a ready supply of water and summer weather shipped north at the owners expense . . . the wording was deliberately vague.) ਀ ഊThorfinn Halfblind. Who dearly remembers the day when Eric Bearsbane, as Prince of Oertha was presented with the notice about the vast holdings he was prince of, by a Barony that fielded two fighters at the time. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 琀爀椀昀椀搀 愀琀 愀最漀爀愀⸀甀甀挀瀀 ⠀刀漀愀搀猀琀攀爀 刀愀挀攀眀攀爀欀猀⤀ഊDate: 6 Nov 91 20:19:55 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 伀瀀攀渀 䌀漀洀洀甀渀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 䘀漀爀甀洀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㤀㄀㄀㄀ ㈀㈀㌀ 㜀⸀䄀䄀㄀ ㄀㘀㔀 愀琀 攀洀椀氀⸀挀猀搀⸀甀甀⸀猀攀㸀 瘀愀搀攀爀 愀琀 攀洀椀氀⸀挀猀搀⸀甀甀⸀猀攀 ⠀欀攀 䔀氀搀戀攀爀最⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>William de Corbie greets the people of the Net! ਀㸀ഊ>I remember seeing some non-SCA royalty (Acre? Markland?) at Pennsic, ਀㸀愀渀搀 栀攀愀爀椀渀最 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 栀漀眀 琀栀攀礀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 琀爀攀愀琀攀搀⸀ 伀瀀椀渀椀漀渀猀ഊ>ranged from "They're just a bunch of jerks who couldn't hack it in the ਀㸀匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 猀漀 琀栀攀礀 昀漀爀洀攀搀 琀栀攀椀爀 漀眀渀 最爀漀甀瀀 ⴀⴀ 洀漀猀琀氀礀 猀漀 琀栀攀礀 挀漀甀氀搀 最椀瘀攀ഊ>themselves all the titles they wanted", to "They are nice people, ਀㸀瘀攀爀礀 愀甀琀栀攀渀琀椀挀Ⰰ 瘀攀爀礀 挀漀甀爀琀攀漀甀猀Ⰰ 愀渀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 最爀漀甀瀀⸀⸀⸀∀ഊ> ਀㸀吀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀猀 ∀琀栀攀 欀渀漀眀渀 眀漀爀氀搀∀⸀ 圀攀 搀漀 渀漀琀 挀氀愀椀洀 琀漀 戀攀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀 眀漀爀氀搀Ⰰഊ>and I have no problem with royalty from "unknown" parts of the world. ਀㸀吀栀攀椀爀 琀椀琀氀攀猀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 栀漀渀漀爀攀搀 愀挀挀漀爀搀椀渀最 琀漀 眀栀愀琀 眀攀 欀渀漀眀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊ>meaning. If we call someone "His majesty of the Kingdom of Acre", or ਀㸀∀匀椀爀 䈀攀漀眀甀氀昀 䈀甀爀最攀爀 漀昀⼀昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀挀爀攀∀Ⰰ 眀攀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 最椀瘀椀渀最ഊ>them SCA rank, while maintaining diplomatic courtesies. They are ਀㸀猀椀洀瀀氀礀 昀漀爀攀椀最渀攀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀ⴀ欀渀漀眀渀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀漀爀氀搀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀匀漀洀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀ഊ>the non-SCA titles at all, and that the foreign royalty should not ਀㸀栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 椀渀 挀漀甀爀琀⸀ 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 眀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀 戀椀最 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 挀愀渀 ഊ>afford to be generous to other groups with similar interests. ਀㸀䤀琀✀猀 愀 琀攀猀琀 漀昀 漀甀爀 挀漀甀爀琀攀猀礀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 愀爀攀 愀戀氀攀 琀漀 愀搀洀椀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀爀攀 ⨀愀爀攀⨀ഊ>other medieval groups who have the same right to exist as we do, and ਀㸀眀椀琀栀 眀栀漀洀 眀攀 洀椀最栀琀 攀渀樀漀礀 愀 昀爀甀椀琀昀甀氀 攀砀挀栀愀渀最攀 漀昀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀⸀ 䤀 猀攀攀 渀漀ഊ>point in being annoyed at them for not joining our particular version ਀㸀漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 䄀最攀猀 ⴀⴀ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀✀猀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 爀攀愀氀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 䤀 挀愀渀 猀攀攀 昀漀爀ഊ>wanting to refuse and ignore them. ਀㸀ഊ>Wether it's in good taste to march in at an SCA event and claim royal ਀㸀爀愀渀欀Ⰰ 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 戀攀攀渀 椀渀瘀椀琀攀搀 愀猀 猀甀挀栀 戀礀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 爀漀礀愀氀琀礀Ⰰ 椀猀 愀ഊ>different matter. I think it's presumptous and bad manners. (I'm ਀㸀渀漀琀 猀甀爀攀 眀攀琀栀攀爀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 眀栀愀琀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀攀搀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⸀⤀ഊ> ਀㸀伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 爀攀挀漀最渀椀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀椀琀氀攀猀 漀渀氀礀 愀瀀瀀氀椀攀猀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀ഊ>with us explicitly as foreign visitors, e.g. an embassy that comes to ਀㸀愀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀ 䤀昀 琀栀攀礀 愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀 漀渀 愀 爀攀最甀氀愀爀 戀愀猀椀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊ>SCA, then I don't think that their ranks & titles should have any ਀㸀眀攀椀最栀琀 栀攀爀攀⸀ 䤀昀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 眀攀渀琀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀琀 愀渀 匀䌀䄀 攀瘀攀渀琀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀椀渀最 栀椀洀猀攀氀昀ഊ>as "Prince so-and-so" of this or that other group, I would probably ask ਀㸀栀椀洀 眀攀琀栀攀爀 栀攀 栀愀搀 戀攀攀渀 椀渀瘀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 琀栀攀 爀甀氀椀渀最 匀䌀䄀 洀漀渀愀爀挀栀猀Ⰰ 漀爀 椀昀 栀攀 眀愀猀ഊ>an official ambassador from his group -- and if not, I would ask him to ਀㸀猀琀漀瀀 甀猀椀渀最 栀椀猀 昀漀爀攀椀最渀 琀椀琀氀攀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀圀椀氀氀椀愀洀ഊ ਀䰀漀渀最 愀最漀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 䴀愀挀䘀氀愀渀搀爀礀猀 猀琀漀漀搀 最甀愀爀搀 昀漀爀 栀攀爀ഊMajesty, the present Queen of the Mundane British. I seriously doubt that it ਀挀爀漀猀猀攀搀 ⨀愀渀礀漀渀攀✀猀⨀ 洀椀渀搀 琀漀 焀甀攀猀琀椀漀渀 琀栀椀猀 最漀漀搀 氀愀搀礀 愀猀 琀漀 栀攀爀 愀昀昀椀氀椀愀琀椀漀渀 眀椀琀栀ഊthe SCA! At least I certainly hope not... ਀ഊI believe this was not done as an *official* business of the SCA, Inc., but ਀䤀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 愀 洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀攀渀Ⰰ 猀漀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 愀琀琀攀猀琀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 琀漀✀琀⸀ 吀栀攀 䴀愀挀䘀氀愀渀搀爀礀猀 栀愀瘀攀ഊremained quite proud of this distinction, and to this day mention it in company ਀昀氀愀最 挀攀爀攀洀漀渀椀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䄀猀 礀漀甀 猀攀攀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 渀漀琀 猀漀 洀漀漀琀 愀 瀀漀椀渀琀 愀猀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 礀漀甀 椀洀愀最椀渀攀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀一椀挀䴀愀漀椀氀愀渀Ⰰ 瀀爀漀甀搀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 䴀愀挀䘀氀愀渀搀爀礀ഊ ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀搀昀爀 愀琀 焀甀愀搀猀⸀甀挀栀椀挀愀最漀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀搀愀瘀椀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⤀ഊDate: 26 Nov 91 06:40:09 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀栀椀挀愀最漀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀椀渀最 伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀猀ഊ ਀∀ ∀刀攀最攀渀挀礀 漀昀 䐀攀愀琀漀渀 䌀氀愀礀洀漀爀攀 ⠀㄀猀琀 椀渀 匀䌀䄀⤀⸀∀  䤀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 漀昀ഊBoarshaven (Midrealm's) was pretty early." (Tim McDaniel, quoting ਀䤀漀猀攀瀀栀⤀ഊ ਀䤀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀 刀愀欀欀甀爀愀椀 眀愀猀 爀攀最攀渀琀 昀漀爀 攀椀琀栀攀爀 䄀欀戀愀爀 漀爀 䴀甀爀愀搀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀ഊend of his reign, but I might be wrong and do not recall the details; ਀椀琀 眀愀猀 樀甀猀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䤀 洀漀瘀攀搀 攀愀猀琀⸀ 吀栀愀琀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 氀漀渀最 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 漀昀ഊBoarshaven. ਀ഊCariadoc ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀愀琀 愀琀 昀最猀猀甀㄀⸀猀椀渀攀琀⸀猀氀戀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀䌀漀爀攀䐀甀洀瀀猀怀刀✀唀猀⤀ഊDate: 26 Nov 91 08:16:46 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 吀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀ഊ ਀伀欀Ⰰ 䤀 愀搀洀椀琀 椀琀 ⴀ 䤀✀洀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀⸀  伀甀爀 昀爀椀攀渀搀 䤀漀猀攀瀀栀 漀昀 䰀漀挀欀猀氀攀礀 栀愀猀 瀀漀猀琀攀搀ഊup the history of Atenvedlt which was, at least for me, a joy to read ਀⠀攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 猀椀渀挀攀 䤀 欀渀攀眀 漀渀氀礀 愀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 䄀琀攀渀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 瀀爀攀瘀椀漀甀猀氀礀⤀⸀ഊHowever, in his "pre-history" bits, he stated that the following things ਀栀愀瀀瀀攀渀攀搀 愀琀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 ㄀㈀琀栀 一椀最栀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 ⠀䄀匀䤀䤀⤀㨀ഊ ਀ⴀ 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 欀渀椀最栀琀猀ഊ- the first master of arms ਀ⴀ 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 氀愀甀爀攀氀猀ഊ- the first members of the order of the rose ਀ഊNow I may not be Banner Herald anymore, but that's only 2 days old, ਀愀渀搀 䤀 栀愀瘀渀✀琀 栀愀渀搀攀搀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 氀愀猀琀 戀椀琀猀 漀昀 瀀愀瀀攀爀眀漀爀欀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 漀昀昀椀挀攀ഊyet. To wit, the original ceremony text from the first 12th night is ਀猀琀椀氀氀 椀渀 洀礀 搀攀猀欀 搀爀愀眀攀爀 愀琀 眀漀爀欀 ⠀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 䤀 瀀爀漀洀椀猀攀搀 猀漀洀攀 洀漀渀琀栀猀 愀最漀ഊto fill in the missing text, but have not yet found the time - I'll ਀昀椀渀椀猀栀 椀琀 爀攀愀氀 猀漀漀渀 ⴀ 䤀 瀀爀漀洀椀猀攀℀℀℀  䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀漀 渀漀眀Ⰰ 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䤀 琀甀爀渀 漀瘀攀爀ഊmy files to Vesper) ਀ഊAnyway, the original ceremonies from 12th night AS 2, on the original ਀瀀愀瀀攀爀 攀瘀攀渀Ⰰ 栀愀猀 渀漀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀漀猀攀 眀栀愀琀猀漀攀瘀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀一漀眀 栀攀爀攀✀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀椀猀 最攀琀猀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀愀琀椀挀㨀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀攀砀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀ഊwas used as the "script" for that 12th night. I also know that it ਀眀愀猀 攀洀戀攀氀氀椀猀栀攀搀 甀瀀漀渀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀  䘀漀爀 攀砀愀洀瀀氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 昀攀愀氀琀礀ഊoath in the ceremony text is very short and very simple, and they didn't ਀甀猀攀 椀琀℀  吀栀攀礀 愀搀搀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀攀愀氀琀礀 漀愀琀栀 琀栀愀琀 䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀 眀爀漀琀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀ഊis NO WRITTEN RECORD that they did so. How do I know this? Because ਀愀昀琀攀爀 䐀漀爀漀琀栀攀愀✀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 吀䤀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀Ⰰ 䤀 愀猀欀攀搀 栀攀爀 眀栀礀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀ഊceremony text and her account of 12th night AS 2 in TI were at variance. ਀匀漀 猀栀攀 琀漀氀搀 洀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀 昀攀眀 漀琀栀攀爀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀琀 琀栀愀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀ഊremembered it also. ਀ഊSo I'm now confused again. Did the order of the Rose really get created ਀愀琀 ㄀㈀琀栀 一椀最栀琀 䄀匀 ㈀ ⠀愀渀搀 琀栀攀 挀攀爀攀洀漀渀礀 琀攀砀琀 椀猀 愀最愀椀渀 愀琀 瘀愀爀椀愀渀挀攀 眀椀琀栀 眀栀愀琀ഊhappened), or did it really happen at some later event? Can we hear ਀昀爀漀洀 漀甀爀 昀漀猀猀椀⸀⸀⸀甀栀⸀⸀⸀漀氀搀琀椀洀攀爀猀 愀猀 琀漀 眀栀愀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀攀搀㼀ഊ ਀吀眀挀猀 ⠀琀栀愀琀✀猀 ∀吀甀砀∀ 最漀渀攀 眀攀氀猀栀⸀⸀⸀昀爀椀最栀琀攀渀椀渀最 琀栀漀甀最栀琀Ⰰ 椀猀渀✀琀 椀琀㼀⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: whheydt at pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㘀 一漀瘀 㤀㄀ ㄀㘀㨀㔀㘀㨀㈀㈀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA ਀ഊIn article <1991Nov26.062909.11881 at watserv1.waterloo.edu> bwettlau at watserv1.waterloo.edu (The Guy In Black) writes: ਀㸀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 猀攀攀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀⸀  䄀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 椀渀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀Ⰰ 倀攀氀椀挀愀渀猀 愀渀搀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀猀 愀爀攀ഊ>called upon to swear fealty. The thing is (again, in the middle), the oath ਀㸀椀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 愀渀搀 䌀爀漀眀渀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 愀渀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 洀甀猀琀 戀攀 爀攀渀攀眀攀搀 攀瘀攀爀礀ഊ>reign (if the knight shows up at court, that is). Masters at Arms have to ਀㸀猀眀攀愀爀 漀愀琀栀猀 琀漀漀 ⸀⸀⸀ 琀漀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 愀渀搀 琀栀攀 倀漀瀀甀氀愀挀攀⸀  䬀渀椀最栀琀栀漀漀搀 椀猀 戀愀猀攀搀 甀瀀漀渀ഊ>fealty and service, and I cannot ever imagine it any other way. Now mind you, ਀㸀䤀✀洀 琀栀攀 氀愀猀琀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 眀栀漀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 愀 欀渀椀最栀琀Ⰰ 戀攀椀渀最 愀 洀攀爀挀攀渀愀爀礀 愀渀搀 愀氀氀⸀ഊ ਀䄀栀攀洀 ⸀ ⸀ ⸀  䤀 猀甀最最攀猀琀 琀栀愀琀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 䌀漀爀瀀漀爀愀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 琀漀瀀椀挀 椀猀 椀渀 漀爀搀攀爀⸀ഊ(And here is where I regret that we do not have a machine-readable ਀挀漀瀀礀 琀漀 栀愀渀搀ⴀⴀ愀渀搀 䤀✀洀 最漀椀渀最 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 椀渀焀甀椀爀椀攀猀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀 琀漀渀椀最栀琀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 礀漀甀 眀椀氀氀 昀椀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 ⨀渀漀⨀漀渀攀⨀ 洀愀礀 戀攀 挀漀洀瀀攀氀氀攀搀 琀漀 洀愀欀攀 愀渀 漀愀琀栀⸀ഊ ਀䠀攀爀攀Ⰰ 䰀愀甀爀攀氀猀 愀渀搀 瀀攀氀椀挀愀渀猀 愀爀攀 ⨀愀猀欀攀搀⨀ 椀昀 琀栀攀礀 眀椀猀栀 琀漀 猀眀攀愀爀 昀攀愀氀琀礀⸀ഊThere are no repercussions if they decline. ਀ഊThose being elevated to the Chivalry are *asked* if they wish to be ਀䬀渀椀最栀琀猀 漀爀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀猀⸀  吀栀攀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀 愀爀攀 琀栀漀猀攀 漀昀 爀攀最愀氀椀愀 愀渀搀 戀攀椀渀最ഊasked to swear fealty at every Coroantion and Investiture. ਀ഊWithin SCA history, Masters-at-Arms were created because one of those ਀眀栀漀 眀愀猀 琀漀 戀攀 洀愀搀攀 䬀渀椀最栀琀 眀愀猀 愀 搀椀瘀椀渀椀琀礀 猀琀甀搀攀渀琀 愀渀搀 眀愀猀 戀漀甀渀搀 ⨀渀漀琀⨀ഊto swear to serve any Earthly power. Since then, as now, the degree ਀琀漀 眀栀椀挀栀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 伀愀琀栀猀 漀昀 䘀攀愀氀琀礀 愀爀攀 琀愀欀攀渀 猀攀爀椀漀甀猀氀礀 眀愀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀Ⰰ 栀攀ഊcould not in good conscience make such an oath. ਀ഊTo this day, I am willing to defend--under my oath of fealty--a king ਀眀栀漀洀 䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 氀椀欀攀⸀  䤀 愀洀 愀氀猀漀 戀漀甀渀搀 戀礀 琀栀愀琀 漀愀琀栀 琀漀 琀攀氀氀ഊa king when he is in error. I take my oaths seriously, even as I ਀甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀猀 愀渀 攀氀愀戀漀爀愀琀攀 昀漀爀洀 漀昀 瀀氀愀礀ⴀ愀挀琀椀渀最⸀  䔀瘀攀渀 眀椀琀栀ഊthat understanding, I will not be willingly forsworn. ਀ഊ --Hal ਀ഊ Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom ਀        圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀Ⰰ 䨀爀⸀Ⰰ  䄀氀戀愀渀礀Ⰰ 䌀䄀 㤀㐀㜀 㘀Ⰰ  㐀㄀㔀⼀㔀㈀㐀ⴀ㠀㌀㈀㄀ ⠀栀漀洀攀⤀ഊ-- ਀ഊFrom: habura at vccnorthe.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㈀㘀 一漀瘀 㤀㄀ ㈀㈀㨀㄀㐀㨀㌀㠀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY ਀ഊYes, indeed, the Dominion of Myrkfaelinn is an official SCA group. I believe ਀琀栀愀琀 椀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 䐀漀洀椀渀椀漀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀⸀ 䤀琀 栀愀猀 甀渀椀焀甀攀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀猀 愀渀搀 ഊpriveleges, which seem to give it 1) at least partial independence from the ਀䌀爀漀眀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 愀渀搀 ㈀⤀ 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 瀀爀椀瘀攀氀攀最攀猀 漀昀 愀 倀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 琀栀攀ഊbureaucratic requirements. Legend has it that the charter for the group ਀⠀眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 洀愀渀礀Ⰰ 洀愀渀礀 洀漀漀渀猀 愀最漀⤀ 眀愀猀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀琀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 刀漀礀愀氀琀礀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀ഊwritten in Old Norse. The Royalty signed the charter without being able to ਀爀攀愀搀 椀琀⸀ 䤀 甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 愀氀氀 挀栀愀爀琀攀爀猀 洀甀猀琀 渀漀眀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 愀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 ഊtranslation, mostly as a result of this incident. ਀吀栀椀猀 椀猀 栀攀愀爀猀愀礀Ⰰ 瀀椀挀欀攀搀 甀瀀 愀琀 愀 䴀礀爀欀昀愀攀氀椀渀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀 ⠀漀渀攀 漀昀 洀礀 漀氀搀 栀椀最栀ⴀ猀挀栀漀漀氀ഊfriends, who I got into the SCA, went to Cornell and acted as Myrkfaelinn's ਀匀攀渀攀猀挀栀愀氀 昀漀爀 愀 昀攀眀 礀攀愀爀猀⤀⸀ 䤀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 猀眀攀愀爀 琀漀 愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 愀猀 䤀 栀愀搀 渀漀琀 攀瘀攀渀ഊheard of the SCA when all this happened. ਀ഊAlison MacDermot ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀攀眀 愀琀 攀挀氀⸀瀀猀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀夀漀ⴀ䐀甀爀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 一攀栀椀ⴀ洀愀猀琀攀爀⤀ഊDate: 26 Nov 91 21:43:52 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 伀爀氀甀欀 伀愀猀椀猀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㄀㤀㤀㄀一漀瘀㈀㔀⸀㄀㠀㈀㐀㐀㐀⸀㄀㌀㜀㌀㄀ 愀琀 眀愀琀猀漀渀⸀椀戀洀⸀挀漀洀㸀Ⰰ 洀椀琀琀氀攀 愀琀 眀愀琀猀漀渀⸀椀戀洀⸀挀漀洀 ⠀䨀漀猀栀 䴀椀琀琀氀攀洀愀渀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> Ioseph, thanks for posting this. It was fun. One quibble: ਀㸀 ഊ>> The following Kingdoms of the SCA came out of Atenveldt: ਀㸀㸀  ഊ>> Atenveldt ਀㸀㸀                     䴀攀爀椀搀椀攀猀 ഊ>> Atlantia ਀㸀㸀                        吀爀椀洀愀爀椀猀 ഊ>> Ansteorra ਀㸀㸀                     伀甀琀氀愀渀搀猀 ഊ> ਀㸀 䈀攀最 瀀愀爀搀漀渀㼀  䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀 眀愀猀 渀攀瘀攀爀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 䴀攀爀椀搀椀攀猀㬀 椀琀 眀愀猀 愀 瀀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀椀琀礀 漀昀ഊ> the East. ਀㸀 ഊ> =========================================================================== ਀㸀 䄀爀瘀愀氀 䈀攀渀椀挀漀攀甀爀Ⰰ 䈀爀椀最愀渀琀椀愀 倀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀 䠀攀爀愀氀搀              䨀漀猀栀 䴀椀琀琀氀攀洀愀渀ഊ ਀匀漀爀爀礀 䄀爀瘀愀氀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀攀✀猀 爀椀最栀琀⸀  䤀 眀愀猀 氀椀瘀椀渀最 椀渀 眀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀Ⰰ ഊthen Meridies, then East, then Atlantia. Now there's a barony there (called ਀䠀椀搀搀攀渀 䴀漀甀渀琀愀椀渀⸀⸀⸀椀洀愀最椀渀攀 琀栀愀琀⤀⸀ഊ ਀夀漀甀 礀漀甀渀最 昀漀氀欀猀 樀甀猀琀 搀漀渀✀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 琀栀漀猀攀 搀愀礀猀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀䐀甀爀 ⠀椀琀✀猀 戀攀攀渀 琀漀漀 氀漀渀最⸀⸀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䐀愀氀攀 䔀⸀ 圀愀氀琀攀爀     簀䐀甀爀 漀昀 䠀椀搀搀攀渀 䴀漀甀渀琀愀椀渀          ഊdew at ecl.psu.edu |Orluk Oasis, somewhere in the East ਀ഊ ਀䜀攀爀愀氀搀 伀✀䰀攀愀爀礀ഊYo-Dur, the Nehi-master ਀刀攀㨀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 ഊ2 Dec 91 ਀ഊWhoops. Let's try again. To noble Dur and all others who might read this greetings from Gyrth Oldcastle of Ravenspur. No, Arval is right. The story is that in the long ago (about Pennsic 3) , there was one fellow in the deep south (Georgia) named Kalakon Kal the Armless. One thing led to another and he petitioned the Board to rearrange the universe. This they did by fiat amd gave the very young Meridies (maybe not even Meridies, maybe just Atenveldt) Georgia and Florida which up until then were property of the Eastern Crown. They informed the monarchs of the East of this abridgment after the fact. Atlantia was never held by any Crown save the East (and the West I suppose) and the glorious monarchs of Atlantia, fairest of all kingdoms. ਀ ഊDuke Gyrth Oldcastle ਀匀琀漀爀瘀椀欀ഊAtlantia ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 眀栀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 瀀戀栀礀愀⸀倀愀挀䈀攀氀氀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊDate: 27 Nov 91 17:21:29 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀 ⨀ 䈀攀氀氀Ⰰ 匀愀渀 刀愀洀漀渀Ⰰ 䌀䄀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㤀㄀㄀㄀㈀㘀 㠀㄀㘀⸀䄀䄀 㐀㤀㐀㔀 愀琀 猀樀漀猀甀㄀⸀猀椀渀攀琀⸀猀氀戀⸀挀漀洀㸀 挀愀琀 愀琀 昀最猀猀甀㄀⸀猀椀渀攀琀⸀猀氀戀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀䌀漀爀攀䐀甀洀瀀猀怀刀✀唀猀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>Anyway, the original ceremonies from 12th night AS 2, on the original ਀㸀瀀愀瀀攀爀 攀瘀攀渀Ⰰ 栀愀猀 渀漀 洀攀渀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 漀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 爀漀猀攀 眀栀愀琀猀漀攀瘀攀爀⸀ഊ> ਀㸀一漀眀 栀攀爀攀✀猀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀椀猀 最攀琀猀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀愀琀椀挀㨀 䤀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 琀攀砀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀ഊ>was used as the "script" for that 12th night. I also know that it ਀㸀眀愀猀 攀洀戀攀氀氀椀猀栀攀搀 甀瀀漀渀 搀甀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 攀瘀攀渀琀⸀  ഊ ਀吀漀 琀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 漀昀 䐀漀爀漀琀栀礀✀猀 爀攀挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 伀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 刀漀猀攀 眀愀猀ഊcreated then also. She speculates that a piece of the scroll might be ਀洀椀猀猀椀渀最⸀ഊ ਀夀漀甀 洀椀最栀琀 愀氀猀漀 挀漀渀猀甀氀琀 眀椀琀栀 䘀氀椀攀最Ⰰ 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀 漀昀 䴀漀渀琀ⴀ刀漀礀愀氀 ⠀栀攀 搀爀漀瀀瀀攀搀ഊby BART practice last Thurs.), and Diana. ਀ഊ --Hal ਀ഊ Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom ਀        圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀Ⰰ 䨀爀⸀Ⰰ  䄀氀戀愀渀礀Ⰰ 䌀䄀 㤀㐀㜀 㘀Ⰰ  㐀㄀㔀⼀㔀㈀㐀ⴀ㠀㌀㈀㄀ ⠀栀漀洀攀⤀ഊ-- ਀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀㴀ഊHal Heydt | David Duke is to Patrick Buchannan ਀䄀渀愀氀礀猀琀Ⰰ 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀⨀䈀攀氀氀        簀      愀猀ഊ510-823-5447 | Dan Quayle is to George Bush. ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 眀栀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 瀀戀栀礀愀⸀倀愀挀䈀攀氀氀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊDate: 11 Dec 91 23:03:58 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀 ⨀ 䈀攀氀氀Ⰰ 匀愀渀 刀愀洀漀渀Ⰰ 䌀䄀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㠀㜀㤀㐀 愀琀 漀瀀琀椀氀椀渀欀⸀唀唀䌀倀㸀 猀愀洀氀戀 愀琀 漀瀀琀椀氀椀渀欀⸀唀唀䌀倀 ⠀匀愀洀 䈀愀猀猀攀琀琀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>From article <1991Dec3.165758.28734 at pbhya.PacBell.COM>, by whheydt at pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt): ਀㸀㸀 䈀愀挀欀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀攀爀攀 漀渀氀礀 昀漀甀爀 䐀甀欀攀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 ⠀儀甀椀挀欀℀  䠀漀眀 洀愀渀礀ഊ>> of you can name them?), it was jokingly claimed that in order to ਀㸀㸀 戀攀挀漀洀攀 愀 䐀甀欀攀 礀漀甀 渀攀攀搀攀搀 琀漀 氀攀昀琀ⴀ栀愀渀搀攀搀 愀渀搀 愀 瀀爀漀最爀愀洀洀攀爀 ⸀ ⸀ ⸀ഊ> ਀㸀       䠀攀渀爀椀欀Ⰰ 䘀甀氀欀Ⰰ 刀椀挀栀愀爀搀Ⰰ ☀ 匀椀攀最昀爀椀攀搀ഊ ਀嘀攀爀礀 最漀漀搀 匀愀洀✀氀 ⸀ ⸀ ⸀  ⠀䤀✀洀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀攀搀 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀ⴀⴀ礀漀甀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 愀ഊfair while.) ਀ഊNotice that three of these four still come to events at least ਀漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀愀氀氀礀ⴀⴀ眀栀椀挀栀 猀愀礀猀 ⠀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀⤀ 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀礀椀渀最 瀀漀眀攀爀 漀昀ഊthe SCA in the "hearts and minds". ਀ഊ --Hal ਀ഊ Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom ਀        圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀Ⰰ 䨀爀⸀Ⰰ  䄀氀戀愀渀礀Ⰰ 䌀䄀 㤀㐀㜀 㘀Ⰰ  㐀㄀㔀⼀㔀㈀㐀ⴀ㠀㌀㈀㄀ ⠀栀漀洀攀⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: justin at inmet.camb.inmet.COM (Justin du Coeur MKA Mark Waks) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㈀ 䐀攀挀 㤀㄀ ㈀㌀㨀  㨀 㜀 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: The Internet ਀ഊDuncan MacKinnon asks if there exists a written history of the SCA. The ਀愀渀猀眀攀爀 ⠀渀漀琀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀椀渀最氀礀⤀ 椀猀Ⰰ ∀夀攀猀 愀渀搀 一漀∀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 渀漀 猀椀渀最氀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 漀昀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀⸀ 伀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀 栀愀渀搀Ⰰഊthere are a considerable number of small sources, that have written up ਀⨀猀漀洀攀⨀ 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀ഊsmall bits of history (such as the Fattylumpkinlied, an epic poem about ਀琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀 愀渀搀 栀椀猀 挀漀栀漀爀琀猀 最漀椀渀最 漀渀 愀 爀漀愀搀 琀爀椀瀀⤀㬀 猀漀洀攀 ഊdescribe large chunks, spanning a fair number of years (such as the ਀椀渀挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 ⠀戀甀琀 琀攀爀爀椀戀氀礀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最⤀ 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀 䬀椀渀最猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀⠀䈀漀琀栀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀戀漀瘀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 昀爀漀洀 䘀漀氀甀洀瀀 䔀渀琀攀爀瀀爀椀猀攀猀 椀渀ഊthe Midrealm, my favorite source of curious SCA booklets.) ਀ഊBasically, there's a lot out there, but you have to look around for ਀椀琀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 栀愀瘀攀 刀漀礀愀氀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀椀愀渀猀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 愀爀攀 洀漀爀攀 漀爀 氀攀猀猀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀ഊin organizing the digging out of their Kingdoms' histories; these ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀爀攀 漀昀琀攀渀 甀猀攀昀甀氀 猀漀甀爀挀攀猀 昀漀爀 氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 眀栀愀琀 攀砀椀猀琀猀⸀ഊ ਀㸀     圀漀甀氀搀 椀琀 戀攀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀漀 搀漀 琀栀椀猀 眀椀琀栀 愀猀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 倀漀氀椀琀椀挀猀 愀渀搀ഊ>Bad Blood (tm) as possible? ਀ഊIt could, but there are hazy lines there. One person's Politics ਀椀猀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀✀猀 䌀爀椀琀椀挀愀氀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀⸀ 吀栀攀 渀愀猀琀礀 瀀漀氀椀琀椀挀猀 漀昀琀攀渀 搀爀椀瘀攀 愀ഊKingdom for years afterwards, and strongly influence its development. ਀吀栀攀 戀攀猀琀 挀漀洀瀀爀漀洀椀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀✀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 椀猀 琀漀 樀甀猀琀 爀攀瀀漀爀琀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀猀 愀猀ഊbest you can, without trying to make value judgements, and to try ਀愀渀搀 猀攀攀 愀氀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀椀搀攀猀 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀攀搀⸀ 䤀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 洀愀渀愀最攀 琀漀 猀攀攀 ⨀眀栀礀⨀ഊeveryone did what they did, you will probably produce a decently ਀昀愀椀爀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀⸀ഊ ਀㸀䤀 挀愀渀 琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 洀愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 愀瀀瀀氀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀猀 昀漀爀 猀甀挀栀 愀 琀攀砀琀Ⰰ 愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀ഊ>I think it would be quite huge. Divided by kingdom, perhaps? ਀ഊAlmost certainly. Consider this: the simple timeline of the history ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰ 椀渀 瀀甀爀攀 猀欀攀氀攀琀漀渀 昀漀爀洀愀琀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀 洀礀 氀愀搀礀 椀猀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 漀渀⤀Ⰰഊlooks to be several dozen pages by the time she's finished. Now ਀挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 栀漀眀 氀愀爀最攀 愀渀 甀渀搀攀爀琀愀欀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䬀渀漀眀渀ഊWorld would be... ਀ഊBesides, the broader a history is, the shallower it tends to be. A ਀栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 攀渀琀椀爀攀 䬀渀漀眀渀 圀漀爀氀搀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 眀漀甀氀搀ഊalmost certainly have to omit most of those anecdotes and stories ਀琀栀愀琀 洀愀欀攀 琀栀攀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 猀漀 昀愀猀挀椀渀愀琀椀渀最⸀ 䈀攀琀琀攀爀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀ഊhistories of the various Kingdoms, instead -- by taking a narrower ਀昀漀挀甀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 挀愀渀 攀砀瀀氀漀爀攀 琀栀攀椀爀 爀攀最椀漀渀猀 愀 戀椀琀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀漀爀漀甀最栀氀礀⸀⸀⸀ഊ ਀㸀伀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀Ⰰ 愀 昀漀爀洀 漀昀 猀甀挀栀 愀 琀攀砀琀 洀愀礀 愀氀爀攀愀搀礀 攀砀椀猀琀 猀漀洀攀眀栀攀爀攀 漀甀琀ഊ>there...if so, please let me know. Also, let me know what you ਀㸀琀栀椀渀欀 漀昀 猀琀愀爀琀椀渀最 猀甀挀栀 愀 瀀爀漀樀攀挀琀⸀⸀⸀最漀漀搀Ⰰ 戀愀搀Ⰰ 漀爀 ∀挀⸀ 䠀攀氀氀漀℀∀      ഊ ਀吀愀氀欀 琀漀 礀漀甀爀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀椀愀渀 愀戀漀甀琀 椀琀㬀 洀漀猀琀 愀爀攀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀ഊin more people who are interested in helping out. Or simply start ਀搀漀椀渀最 椀琀 ⴀⴀ 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀渀最 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀Ⰰ 愀琀 眀栀愀琀攀瘀攀爀 氀攀瘀攀氀Ⰰ 椀猀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 愀氀眀愀礀猀ഊfun and educational... ਀ഊ -- Justin du Coeur ਀                                   吀爀愀渀猀挀爀椀戀攀爀 䘀椀爀猀琀 䌀氀愀猀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊ Eastrealm Royal Historian ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 眀栀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 瀀戀栀礀愀⸀倀愀挀䈀攀氀氀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀ഊDate: 12 Dec 91 23:29:13 GMT ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 倀愀挀椀昀椀挀 ⨀ 䈀攀氀氀Ⰰ 匀愀渀 刀愀洀漀渀Ⰰ 䌀䄀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㄀㤀㤀㄀䐀攀挀㠀⸀  ㄀㠀㄀㤀⸀㈀ 㤀㔀 愀琀 愀最漀爀愀⸀甀甀挀瀀㸀 琀爀椀昀椀搀 愀琀 愀最漀爀愀⸀甀甀挀瀀 ⠀刀漀愀搀猀琀攀爀 刀愀挀攀眀攀爀欀猀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>In article <8794 at optilink.UUCP> samlb at optilink.UUCP (Sam Bassett) writes: ਀㸀㸀䘀爀漀洀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㄀㤀㤀㄀䐀攀挀㌀⸀㄀㘀㔀㜀㔀㠀⸀㈀㠀㜀㌀㐀 愀琀 瀀戀栀礀愀⸀倀愀挀䈀攀氀氀⸀䌀伀䴀㸀Ⰰ 戀礀 眀栀栀攀礀搀琀 愀琀 瀀戀栀礀愀⸀倀愀挀䈀攀氀氀⸀䌀伀䴀 ⠀圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀攀礀搀琀⤀㨀ഊ>>> Back when there were only four Dukes in the Society (Quick! How many ਀㸀㸀㸀 漀昀 礀漀甀 挀愀渀 渀愀洀攀 琀栀攀洀㼀⤀Ⰰ 椀琀 眀愀猀 樀漀欀椀渀最氀礀 挀氀愀椀洀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀渀 漀爀搀攀爀 琀漀ഊ>>> become a Duke you needed to left-handed and a programmer . . . ਀㸀㸀ഊ>> Henrik, Fulk, Richard, & Siegfried ਀㸀ഊ>An oldtime SCA friend of mine says "What about Douglas Longshanks and William ਀㸀漀昀 䠀漀甀最栀琀漀渀㼀∀ഊ ਀吀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 戀漀琀栀 洀甀挀栀 氀愀琀攀爀⸀  䄀昀琀攀爀 䨀愀洀攀猀 䜀爀攀礀栀攀氀洀 愀渀搀 倀愀甀氀 漀昀ഊBellatrix. Those first 4 were Dukes before the beginning of AS V. ਀ഊ --Hal ਀ഊ Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom ਀        圀椀氀猀漀渀 䠀⸀ 䠀攀礀搀琀Ⰰ 䨀爀⸀Ⰰ  䄀氀戀愀渀礀Ⰰ 䌀䄀 㤀㐀㜀 㘀Ⰰ  㐀㄀㔀⼀㔀㈀㐀ⴀ㠀㌀㈀㄀ ⠀栀漀洀攀⤀ഊ-- ਀ഊ23 Jan 92 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀攀眀 愀琀 攀挀氀⸀瀀猀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀甀爀Ⰰ 䄀最愀ⴀ䬀栀愀渀⤀ഊOrganization: Orluk Oasis ਀ഊGreetings! ਀ഊAlberic writes; ਀ഊ> On this thread we've been following about Newbies on the throne and crown ਀㸀 氀甀猀琀Ⰰ 圀栀愀琀 愀戀漀甀琀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀ⴀ⠀漀昀 戀漀愀爀猀栀愀瘀攀渀㼀⤀ⴀ琀栀攀 䐀愀洀渀攀搀⸀ഊ> The way midrealm ledgend goes, he was a newbie king, something went bad, ਀㸀 愀渀搀 栀攀✀猀 琀栀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀 椀猀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀ഊ> an 'invite only' crown tourney. (crown list) ਀ഊMichael of Boarshaven (now refered to as M. the unfortunate) was not a ਀∀渀攀眀戀椀攀∀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 渀漀渀ⴀ挀栀椀瘀愀氀爀礀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 琀漀 猀椀琀 琀栀攀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀✀猀 琀栀爀漀渀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀昀 䤀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 挀漀爀爀攀挀琀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 椀渀瘀椀琀愀琀椀漀渀愀氀 渀愀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀爀漀眀渀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀 ഊpreceeded Micheal by a few years. ਀ഊCariadoc would remember better than I, as he sat on that "thorn" more than I. ਀ഊDur ਀ⴀⴀ ഊDale E. Walter |Dur of Hidden Mountain ਀搀攀眀 愀琀 攀挀氀⸀瀀猀甀⸀攀搀甀    簀伀爀氀甀欀 伀愀猀椀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 圀愀爀 刀漀愀搀 ⠀漀昀 䄀攀琀栀攀氀洀愀爀挀⤀ഊ ਀ഊ25 Jan 92 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀愀洀氀戀 愀琀 漀瀀琀椀氀椀渀欀⸀唀唀䌀倀 ⠀匀愀洀 䈀愀猀猀攀琀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 伀氀搀 昀愀爀琀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀爀琀椀挀氀攀 㰀㄀㄀㔀㐀㄀ 愀琀 戀眀搀氀猀㔀㠀⸀戀渀爀⸀挀愀㸀 栀眀琀 愀琀 戀眀搀氀栀㐀㤀 ⸀䈀一刀⸀䌀䄀 ⠀䠀攀渀爀礀 吀爀漀甀瀀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>I've heard that originally the Renaissance was included ਀㸀戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 椀琀猀 洀甀猀椀挀 愀渀搀 搀愀渀挀攀 眀攀爀攀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀 愀挀挀攀猀猀椀戀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ一愀愀愀栀栀栀 ⴀⴀ 䤀✀瘀攀 猀愀椀搀 椀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䤀✀氀氀 爀攀瀀攀愀琀 椀琀㨀ഊ ਀ऀ吀栀攀 爀攀愀猀漀渀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 ㄀㘀⠀洀甀洀戀氀攀⤀ 挀甀琀漀昀昀 搀愀琀攀 眀愀猀 琀漀 愀氀氀漀眀ഊScotscritters (specifically Edwin Berseark) to wear kilts of the modern ਀猀琀礀氀攀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀椀攀猀琀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀 甀猀攀 漀昀 猀甀挀栀 欀椀氀琀猀 ⠀愀猀 搀椀猀琀椀渀挀琀 昀爀漀洀ഊthe Great Kilt, with umpteen yards of scratchy wool) was in 16(mumble). ਀ഊ No more, no less. ਀ഊ-- ਀匀愀洀✀氀 䈀愀猀猀攀琀琀 ⴀⴀ 匀礀猀琀攀洀 䄀搀洀椀渀椀猀琀爀愀琀漀爀 ऀ      ⠀愀洀漀渀最 漀琀栀攀爀 猀椀氀氀礀 琀栀椀渀最猀⤀ഊWork: DSC/Optilink, 1310-C Redwood Wy, Petaluma CA 94954; 1-707-792-7253 ਀䠀漀洀攀㨀 㜀 䜀漀琀栀椀挀 䌀漀甀爀琀Ⰰ 一漀瘀愀琀漀  䌀䄀  㤀㐀㤀㐀㜀㬀ऀऀ  ㄀ⴀ㐀㄀㔀ⴀ㠀㤀㜀ⴀ㜀㐀㈀㐀ഊUUCP: uunet!optilink!samlb; Internet: samlb at well.sf.ca.us ਀ഊ ਀㌀㄀ 䨀愀渀 㤀㈀ ഊFrom: whheydt at pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊOrganization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA ਀ഊ>I get the impression that winning a Crown Tourney in the West pretty much ਀㸀最甀愀爀愀渀琀攀攀猀 漀渀攀 愀渀 椀渀瘀椀琀愀琀椀漀渀 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 伀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 䌀栀椀瘀愀氀爀礀⸀ഊ ਀䤀琀 甀猀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 ⠀洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀⤀ 琀栀愀琀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 昀椀渀愀氀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 最攀琀ഊone knighted on the spot. This is no longer true. It was never ਀∀愀甀琀漀洀愀琀椀挀∀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 椀琀 眀愀猀 瘀攀爀礀 挀氀漀猀攀⸀ഊ ਀㸀倀氀攀愀猀攀 攀渀氀椀最栀琀攀渀 洀攀⸀ഊ ਀伀渀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀愀挀琀漀爀猀 椀猀 ⠀瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀⤀ 琀栀愀琀Ⰰ 漀渀 琀栀攀 眀栀漀氀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 圀攀猀琀 栀愀猀 栀愀搀ഊa consistently tough Crown Lists. In the easrly days of the Society, ਀瘀椀猀琀椀渀最 圀攀猀琀攀爀渀攀爀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀 愀渀搀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀瀀甀琀攀搀 琀漀 眀攀氀氀ⴀ渀椀最栀ഊindestructable. The major change seems to have occured around the ਀琀椀洀攀 漀昀 吀夀䌀 眀栀攀渀 氀愀爀最攀 渀甀洀戀攀爀猀 漀昀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 愀氀氀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 眀攀爀攀ഊable to play together for the first time and calibrations and armor ਀猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀猀 攀瘀攀渀攀搀 漀甀琀 洀甀挀栀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 琀栀攀礀 栀愀搀 瀀爀攀瘀椀漀甀猀氀礀⸀  䤀渀 琀栀攀 洀攀愀渀ഊtime, Society-wide fighting got better and the number of entrants in ਀琀栀攀 挀爀漀眀渀 氀椀猀琀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 氀愀爀最攀爀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 最爀攀眀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀愀戀氀礀⸀  䄀氀猀漀 椀渀 琀栀攀ഊWest, the up-and-coming-young-fighters cut their teeth on Principality ਀氀椀猀琀猀 ⠀愀渀搀 琀栀攀爀攀 栀愀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 倀爀椀渀挀攀猀 眀栀漀 眀攀爀攀 甀渀戀攀氀琀攀搀ⴀⴀ椀渀搀攀攀搀ⰀഊCynagua has one now). The overall effect has been to minimize the ਀挀栀愀渀挀攀 漀昀 愀 渀攀眀Ⰰ 爀漀甀最栀ⴀ攀搀最攀搀Ⰰ 甀渀ⴀ愀挀甀氀琀甀爀愀琀攀搀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 眀椀渀渀椀渀最⸀  伀渀挀攀ഊyou've worn the rough edges off, aculturated 'em into the SCA, taught ਀琀栀攀洀 琀漀 搀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 瀀氀愀礀 挀栀攀猀猀Ⰰ 攀琀挀⸀Ⰰ 栀愀瘀攀 猀漀洀攀 洀愀渀渀攀爀猀  ⸀ ⸀ ⸀  䄀爀漀甀渀搀 栀攀爀攀ഊthey get brought into the Order of Chivalry and you don't tend to wind ਀甀瀀 眀椀琀栀 甀渀戀攀氀琀攀搀 欀椀渀最猀⸀ഊ ਀ऀⴀⴀ䠀愀氀ഊ ਀        䠀愀氀 刀愀瘀渀Ⰰ 倀爀漀瘀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀猀琀猀Ⰰ 圀攀猀琀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀ഊ Wilson H. Heydt, Jr., Albany, CA 94706, 510/524-8321 (home) ਀ഊ ਀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 漀昀 䈀漀愀爀猀栀愀瘀攀渀 ⴀ ∀渀攀眀戀椀攀∀ 䬀椀渀最㼀ഊ31 Jan 92 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 洀挀㌀ 㜀㠀挀─昀甀琀甀爀攀 愀琀 甀甀渀攀琀⸀甀甀⸀一䔀吀 ⠀∀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 䄀⸀ 䌀栀愀渀挀攀 ⴀ 䠀儀∀⤀ഊOrganization: The Internet ਀ഊGreetings to the folk of the Rialto! ਀ഊMichael of Boarshaven has been cited a couple of times lately as an example ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 搀愀渀最攀爀猀 漀昀 ∀渀攀眀戀椀攀∀ 䬀椀渀最猀Ⰰ 愀猀 愀 挀漀甀瀀氀攀 漀昀 昀漀氀欀猀 猀琀愀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 栀椀猀 椀猀ഊnot a valid case, since he was not a newbie when he won the Midrealm crown. ਀䤀✀瘀攀 洀愀渀愀最攀搀 琀漀 昀椀渀搀 猀漀洀攀 猀漀甀爀挀攀 洀愀琀攀爀椀愀氀 椀渀 洀礀 氀椀戀爀愀爀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 洀愀琀琀攀爀㬀 䤀✀氀氀ഊmerely present it in summary, and let you decide. ਀ഊ**WARNING** : Michael of Boarshaven is still a very touchy subject with ਀洀愀渀礀 䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀攀爀猀Ⰰ 攀猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀氀礀 琀栀漀猀攀 氀椀瘀椀渀最 椀渀 䤀氀氀椀渀漀椀猀 愀渀搀 䤀渀搀椀愀渀愀 愀琀 琀栀攀ഊtime of his reign. Since we try to keep the Rialto free of flamefests, ਀椀琀✀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 戀攀猀琀 椀昀 搀椀猀挀甀猀猀椀漀渀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀挀琀甀愀氀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 漀昀 栀椀猀 爀攀椀最渀 愀爀攀ഊdiscussed via private Email or offline. ਀ഊOrlando Ambrosius' histories of the Middle Kingdom imply that Michael of ਀䈀漀愀爀猀栀愀瘀攀渀 戀攀挀愀洀攀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 圀甀爀洀眀愀氀搀 ⠀䌀栀愀洀瀀愀椀最渀ⴀഊUrbana, IL) sometime in the late winter-early spring of 1974 (AS VII). He ਀戀攀挀愀洀攀 瀀爀椀洀愀爀椀氀礀 椀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀攀搀 椀渀 匀䌀䄀 挀漀洀戀愀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀攀搀 眀椀琀栀ഊlittle else of the Current Middle Ages. That spring, he became squired to ਀䴀攀爀漀眀愀氀搀 搀攀 匀礀氀瘀攀愀猀琀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 氀愀琀攀爀 ⠀甀瀀漀渀 栀椀猀 欀渀椀最栀琀椀渀最⤀ 倀漀氀椀搀漀爀 䠀愀爀愀氀搀猀猀漀渀⸀ഊHe participated in the Third Pennsic War, and is accounted as the only man ਀琀漀 昀椀最栀琀 栀椀猀 眀愀礀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 猀椀攀最攀 ⠀愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 椀渀挀椀搀攀渀琀 椀猀ഊdescribed as controversial). He was a semi-finalist in the Crown tourney ਀椀渀 琀栀攀 昀愀氀氀 漀昀 ㄀㤀㜀㐀 ⠀䄀匀 嘀䤀䤀䤀⤀⸀  䤀渀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 琀栀椀猀 䌀爀漀眀渀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀Ⰰഊand the next spring Crown tourney, the only mention of Michael is that he ਀琀爀愀瘀攀氀氀攀搀 琀漀 洀愀渀礀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀猀Ⰰ 猀攀瘀攀爀愀氀 漀昀 眀栀椀挀栀 栀攀 眀漀渀⸀ഊ ਀䤀琀 椀猀 渀漀琀 爀攀挀漀爀搀攀搀 戀礀 䄀洀戀爀漀猀椀甀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀砀愀挀琀 渀愀琀甀爀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䌀爀漀眀渀ഊTourney held in May, AS IX, other than to state that the last six places in ਀琀栀攀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 搀攀挀椀搀攀搀 戀礀 愀 挀漀洀瀀攀琀椀琀椀漀渀 栀攀氀搀 愀琀 琀栀攀 挀漀爀漀渀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 刀漀氀愀挀ഊand Lindenlorian, one of which was won by Michael of Boarshaven. Michael ਀琀栀攀渀 瀀爀漀挀攀攀搀攀搀 琀漀 眀椀渀 琀栀攀 攀渀猀甀椀渀最 䌀爀漀眀渀 琀漀甀爀渀愀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 搀攀昀攀愀琀椀渀最 匀椀爀 倀漀氀椀搀漀爀ഊin the finals. Ambrosius records that most of the notables of the Middle ਀䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 愀 ∀渀攀眀戀椀攀∀㬀 䄀洀戀爀漀猀椀甀猀 愀氀猀漀 愀搀搀猀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最ഊnote: ਀ഊ"Michael was thought of as a newcomer, despite the fact that he had been ਀愀挀琀椀瘀攀 昀漀爀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 愀 礀攀愀爀 漀渀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀椀瀀栀攀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀㬀 椀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀ഊremembered that in these days most men created knights had been in the ਀匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 昀漀爀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀 漀爀 琀眀漀 礀攀愀爀猀⸀∀ഊ ਀䌀䄀嘀䔀䄀吀㨀 伀爀氀愀渀搀漀 䄀洀戀爀漀猀椀甀猀✀ 戀漀漀欀猀 ⠀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 甀猀攀搀 ∀䈀爀椀攀昀 䠀椀猀琀漀爀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀ഊKingdom, Volume II" and "Histories of the Midlands Kings, Volume I") are, ਀愀猀 愀爀攀 渀攀愀爀氀礀 愀氀氀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀攀猀Ⰰ 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 眀椀琀栀 愀 挀攀爀琀愀椀渀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 瀀漀氀椀琀椀挀愀氀 愀渀搀ഊpersonal bias (the author has admitted as much to me, albeit grudgingly). ਀吀栀攀猀攀 戀漀漀欀猀 愀爀攀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 戀礀 䘀漀氀甀洀瀀 䔀渀琀攀爀瀀爀椀猀攀猀⸀ഊ ਀䐀䤀匀䌀䰀䄀䤀䴀䔀刀㨀 吀栀攀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 愀戀漀瘀攀 琀漀漀欀 瀀氀愀挀攀 洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䤀ഊjoined the Society, and are merely summarized from the cited sources. I ਀栀愀瘀攀 渀漀 昀椀爀猀琀栀愀渀搀 欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 漀渀氀礀 猀攀挀漀渀搀ⴀ 愀渀搀 琀栀椀爀搀ⴀ栀愀渀搀 爀攀琀攀氀氀椀渀最猀 漀昀ഊthe tales. ਀ഊI hope that these writings have helped in some small way. ਀ഊMikjal Annarbjorn, ਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 吀栀爀攀攀 刀椀瘀攀爀猀Ⰰ 䌀愀氀漀渀琀椀爀ഊBarony of Shattered Crystal, Midrealm ਀ⴀⴀ ഊUUCP : uunet!texbell!future!mc3078c ਀䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 㨀 洀挀㌀ 㜀㠀挀 愀琀 昀甀琀甀爀攀⸀猀戀挀⸀挀漀洀ഊ ਀ഊ3 Feb 92 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀搀昀爀 愀琀 焀甀愀搀猀⸀甀挀栀椀挀愀最漀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀搀愀瘀椀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀栀椀挀愀最漀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀椀渀最 伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀猀ഊ ਀∀䠀攀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀椀瀀愀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 吀栀椀爀搀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 圀愀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 椀猀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀攀搀 愀猀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 洀愀渀ഊto fight his way out of the castle siege (although the incident is ਀搀攀猀挀爀椀戀攀搀 愀猀 挀漀渀琀爀漀瘀攀爀猀椀愀氀⤀⸀∀ ⠀䴀椀欀樀愀氀 䄀渀渀愀爀戀樀漀爀渀Ⰰ 猀甀洀洀愀爀椀稀椀渀最 愀渀ഊaccount of Michael of Boarshaven by Orlando Ambrosius) ਀ഊControversial? I would have said impossible. When we showed up at the ਀洀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 ㌀ 椀琀 眀愀猀 栀攀氀搀 戀礀 漀渀攀 洀愀渀Ⰰ 䐀愀最攀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀渀ഊPrince of the Middle. The King of the Middle had calculated that if ਀栀攀 氀漀猀琀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 戀甀琀 渀漀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀猀 栀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 猀琀椀氀氀 眀椀渀 漀渀 瀀漀椀渀琀猀 ⠀眀攀ഊwere using a complicated system, where you got points for killing ਀瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀 愀猀 琀愀欀椀渀最 琀栀椀渀最猀⤀Ⰰ 猀漀 栀攀 氀攀昀琀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 甀渀搀攀昀攀渀搀攀搀Ⰰഊand his Prince demonstrated his view of the strategy by holding it ਀栀椀洀猀攀氀昀⸀ 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 眀愀猀 渀漀琀 椀渀 椀琀Ⰰ 猀漀 栀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 渀漀琀 栀愀瘀攀 昀漀甀最栀琀 栀椀猀 眀愀礀ഊout of it. He might have fought his way out of the hilltop battle. ਀ഊCariadoc ਀ഊ ਀刀攀㨀 匀䌀䄀 ⠀倀攀渀渀猀椀挀⤀ 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀ഊ4 Feb 92 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 挀瀀最㌀ 㜀㠀─猀眀甀琀猀 愀琀 甀甀渀攀琀⸀甀甀⸀一䔀吀 ⠀䴀椀欀攀 䌀栀愀渀挀攀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 吀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀ഊ ਀䜀爀攀攀琀椀渀最 甀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 昀漀氀欀 漀昀 琀栀攀 刀椀愀氀琀漀℀ഊ ਀䠀椀猀 䜀爀愀挀攀Ⰰ 䐀甀欀攀 䌀愀爀椀愀搀漀挀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀 ഊ> "He participated in the Third Pennsic War, and is accounted as the only man ਀㸀 琀漀 昀椀最栀琀 栀椀猀 眀愀礀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 猀椀攀最攀 ⠀愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀 椀渀挀椀搀攀渀琀 椀猀ഊ> described as controversial)." (Mikjal Annarbjorn, summarizing an ਀㸀 愀挀挀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 漀昀 䈀漀愀爀猀栀愀瘀攀渀 戀礀 伀爀氀愀渀搀漀 䄀洀戀爀漀猀椀甀猀⤀ഊ> ਀㸀 䌀漀渀琀爀漀瘀攀爀猀椀愀氀㼀 䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 栀愀瘀攀 猀愀椀搀 椀洀瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀⸀ 圀栀攀渀 眀攀 猀栀漀眀攀搀 甀瀀 愀琀 琀栀攀ഊ> midrealm castle at Pennsic 3 it was held by one man, Dagen, then ਀㸀 倀爀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀⸀ 吀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀搀氀攀 栀愀搀 挀愀氀挀甀氀愀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 椀昀ഊ> he lost the castle but no fighters he would still win on points (we ਀㸀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀瀀氀椀挀愀琀攀搀 猀礀猀琀攀洀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 礀漀甀 最漀琀 瀀漀椀渀琀猀 昀漀爀 欀椀氀氀椀渀最ഊ> people as well as taking things), so he left the castle undefended, ਀㸀 愀渀搀 栀椀猀 倀爀椀渀挀攀 搀攀洀漀渀猀琀爀愀琀攀搀 栀椀猀 瘀椀攀眀 漀昀 琀栀攀 猀琀爀愀琀攀最礀 戀礀 栀漀氀搀椀渀最 椀琀ഊ> himself. Michael was not in it, so he could not have fought his way ਀㸀 漀甀琀 漀昀 椀琀⸀ 䠀攀 洀椀最栀琀 栀愀瘀攀 昀漀甀最栀琀 栀椀猀 眀愀礀 漀甀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 栀椀氀氀琀漀瀀 戀愀琀琀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀䤀琀 椀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 戀愀琀琀氀攀猀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀⸀ 吀栀攀 瀀愀爀愀最爀愀瀀栀 琀栀愀琀 䤀ഊsummarized into that one sentence is herein recounted in full: ਀ഊ"At the Third Battle of the Pennsic War, Michael distinguished himself on ਀琀栀攀 漀渀攀 愀猀瀀攀挀琀 愀渀搀 挀爀攀愀琀攀搀 愀 氀愀猀琀椀渀最 攀渀攀洀礀 漀渀 琀栀攀 漀琀栀攀爀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀ഊwar that Bearengaer Rex held the field battle in a fortress. The Oriental ਀栀漀猀琀 漀甀琀渀甀洀戀攀爀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀㬀 愀渀搀 椀琀 昀愀椀爀氀礀 漀瘀攀爀眀栀攀氀洀攀搀 䈀攀愀爀攀渀最愀攀爀ഊand his fellows. In the assault, only two of the Midrealm's defenders ਀氀椀瘀攀搀⸀  伀渀攀 眀愀猀 欀渀漀挀欀攀搀 搀漀眀渀 椀渀 琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 眀愀瘀攀 愀渀搀 氀椀瘀攀搀 漀渀氀礀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 栀攀ഊwas unable to stand and thus was accounted to be dead by the Orieintal ਀栀漀猀琀⸀  吀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 眀愀猀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀Ⰰ 眀栀漀 猀愀眀 琀栀攀 洀椀猀昀漀爀琀甀渀攀 愀渀搀 昀漀甀最栀琀 栀椀猀 眀愀礀ഊwithout the fortress. He then walked around the edge of the circle and ਀眀漀甀氀搀 琀愀瀀 愀渀 䔀愀猀琀攀爀渀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 漀渀 琀栀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀攀爀㬀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀愀琀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀 琀甀爀渀攀搀ഊaround, Michael would kill him. This was, it should be noted, entirely ਀眀椀琀栀椀渀 琀栀攀 爀甀氀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀愀琀琀氀攀㬀 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 倀爀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰ 䄀渀最栀漀椀猀 䐀甀戀栀Ⰰഊtook exception to it and took it to be a dishonorable action. Setting ਀愀猀椀搀攀 琀栀攀 椀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀椀猀 昀漀爀 愀 洀漀洀攀渀琀Ⰰ 椀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 渀漀琀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 眀愀猀ഊupset by this accusation and more upset when the Mediterranean chivalry ਀猀攀攀洀攀搀 琀漀 愀最爀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀✀猀 愀挀琀椀漀渀猀 眀攀爀攀 甀渀挀栀椀瘀愀氀爀椀挀⸀∀ഊ(from Orlando Ambrosius' "Histories of the Midlands Kings, Vol. I"; the ਀愀甀琀栀漀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 琀愀氀攀 漀昀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 漀昀 䈀漀愀爀猀栀愀瘀攀渀 椀猀 爀攀挀漀爀搀攀搀 愀猀 ∀䈀爀椀愀渀 愀瀀 䠀漀眀攀氀氀ഊof Barony WurmWald") ਀ഊ(Note: Refer to the caveat in the original post about personal/politcal ਀戀椀愀猀 椀渀 栀椀猀琀漀爀椀攀猀⸀⤀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀 渀漀琀 爀攀洀攀洀戀攀爀 挀氀攀愀爀氀礀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 琀愀氀攀猀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 栀攀愀爀搀 愀戀漀甀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 䤀䤀䤀 栀漀眀ഊthe battles were fought that year. Perhaps His Grace (or some other ਀倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 䤀䤀 瘀攀琀攀爀愀渀⠀猀⤀ 挀漀甀氀搀 攀渀氀椀最栀琀攀渀 甀猀⸀ഊ ਀䴀椀欀樀愀氀 䄀渀渀愀爀戀樀漀爀渀ഊBarony of Three Rivers, Calontir ਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 匀栀愀琀琀攀爀攀搀 䌀爀礀猀琀愀氀Ⰰ 䴀椀搀爀攀愀氀洀ഊ ਀ഊ5 Feb 92 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 搀搀昀爀 愀琀 焀甀愀搀猀⸀甀挀栀椀挀愀最漀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀搀愀瘀椀搀 搀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀 昀爀椀攀搀洀愀渀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 唀渀椀瘀攀爀猀椀琀礀 漀昀 䌀栀椀挀愀最漀 䌀漀洀瀀甀琀椀渀最 伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀猀ഊReply-To: ddfr at midway.uchicago.edu ਀ഊ"The SCA has a nearly universal custom that fancy circlets should ਀搀攀渀漀琀攀 爀愀渀欀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀琀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 昀漀爀洀猀 漀昀 挀椀爀挀氀攀琀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 爀攀猀攀爀瘀攀搀ഊto particular ranks. So far as I have been able to discover, this ਀挀甀猀琀漀洀 搀攀爀椀瘀攀猀 昀爀漀洀 嘀椀挀琀漀爀椀愀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀 栀攀爀愀氀搀椀挀 挀甀猀琀漀洀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 昀爀漀洀ഊnothing else." (Arval) ਀ഊI do not think this is quite correct. As I remember, from looking ਀椀渀琀漀 椀琀 洀愀渀礀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀Ⰰ 漀甀爀 猀礀猀琀攀洀 漀昀 挀漀爀漀渀攀琀猀 椀猀 戀愀猀攀搀 漀渀 愀渀 䔀渀最氀椀猀栀ഊlaw of the late seventeenth century. I agree that, so far as evidence ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 漀昀 爀攀猀琀爀椀挀琀椀渀最 琀栀漀猀攀 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀 搀攀猀椀最渀猀 琀漀ഊthose particular ranks is out of period for most or all of us. ਀ഊMikjal Annarbjorn quotes a chunk of Orlando Ambrosius' "Histories of ਀琀栀攀 䴀椀搀氀愀渀搀猀 䬀椀渀最猀Ⰰ∀ 椀渀瘀漀氀瘀椀渀最 琀栀攀 琀栀椀爀搀 戀愀琀琀氀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 眀愀爀ⰀഊMichael of Boarshaven, Bearengaer, king of the Middle, and "the ਀倀爀椀渀挀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰ 䄀渀最栀漀椀猀 䐀甀戀栀⸀∀ 䤀 猀甀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀栀漀爀 椀猀ഊdeliberately mixing elements of two or more Pennsics in order to get ਀琀栀攀 攀昀昀攀挀琀 漀昀 洀攀搀椀攀瘀愀氀 漀爀愀氀 栀椀猀琀漀爀礀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 栀攀 洀愀礀 樀甀猀琀 戀攀 挀漀渀昀甀猀攀搀⸀ഊUnless my memory has gone completely (old age will do that), Anghois ਀眀愀猀 瀀爀椀渀挀攀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀猀 琀眀漀 愀渀搀 昀漀甀爀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 䈀攀爀攀渀最愀爀 眀愀猀 䬀椀渀最 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀ഊ3. At Pennsic 3 I was prince. I don't remember enough details of the ਀挀愀猀琀氀攀 戀愀琀琀氀攀 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 ㈀ 琀漀 琀攀氀氀 椀昀 琀栀愀琀 挀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀ഊstory, but my guess is that it is based on the hilltop battle, not ਀琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 戀愀琀琀氀攀Ⰰ 愀琀 倀攀渀渀猀椀挀 ㌀⸀ 䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 琀栀椀渀欀 眀攀 栀愀搀 愀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 戀愀琀琀氀攀ഊat Pennsic 4. ਀ഊCariadoc ਀ഊ ਀㔀 䘀攀戀 㤀㈀ ഊFrom: bell at swbatl.sbc.com (Larry Bell - 235-7743) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊOrganization: Southwestern Bell ਀ഊhwt at bwdlh490.BNR.CA (Henry Troup) writes: ਀㸀 搀攀眀 愀琀 攀挀氀⸀瀀猀甀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀甀爀Ⰰ 䄀最愀ⴀ䬀栀愀渀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ> ਀㸀 圀栀椀氀攀 渀漀琀 眀愀渀琀椀渀最 琀漀 搀爀愀最 漀甀琀 䈀漀愀爀猀栀愀瘀攀渀 猀琀漀爀椀攀猀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀搀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 栀愀渀搀ഊ> (i.e. from ਀㸀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀栀漀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀爀攀⤀Ⰰ 䤀✀瘀攀 戀攀攀渀 琀漀氀搀 琀栀愀琀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 漀昀 䈀漀愀爀猀栀愀瘀攀渀 栀愀猀ഊ> never attended ਀㸀 愀渀 匀䌀䄀 昀攀愀猀琀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 栀攀 眀漀渀 挀爀漀眀渀⸀  一漀爀 搀椀搀 栀攀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 氀愀搀礀 琀漀 昀椀最栀琀 昀漀爀⸀ഊ> So, although perhaps not a 'Newbie' King, he was certainly a King not fully ਀㸀 猀漀挀椀愀氀椀稀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀猀 漀昀 栀椀猀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀⸀ഊ ਀䴀礀 昀椀爀猀琀 瘀椀攀眀 漀昀 匀䌀䄀 挀漀洀戀愀琀 眀愀猀 愀琀 愀 瀀爀愀挀琀椀挀攀 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 愀琀琀攀渀搀攀搀 戀礀 ഊSir Polidor Haraldsson and his then squire, HRM Michael of Boarshaven. ਀䤀Ⰰ 愀猀 愀 渀攀眀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀Ⰰ 猀甀戀猀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀 戀攀挀愀洀攀 漀渀攀 漀昀 倀漀氀椀搀漀爀✀猀 猀焀甀椀爀攀猀 愀氀猀漀⸀ഊAs I recall, Michael was a natural athletic talent and had been in the ਀匀䌀䄀Ⰰ 洀漀猀琀氀礀 愀猀 愀 昀椀最栀琀攀爀Ⰰ 昀漀爀 愀戀漀甀琀 愀 礀攀愀爀 眀栀攀渀 栀攀 眀漀渀 挀爀漀眀渀⸀  䠀椀猀 昀椀爀猀琀ഊattendance at court was when he received the Prince's coronet. ਀ഊSir William of Bellwood ਀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ⴀ漀ഊLarry Bell (314)-235-7743 ਀   戀攀氀氀 愀琀 猀眀戀愀琀氀⸀猀戀挀⸀挀漀洀ഊ-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o ਀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀猀琀甀洀攀 瀀愀爀琀礀 瘀猀 䄀挀愀搀攀洀椀挀猀ഊ15 May 92 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 猀愀洀氀戀 愀琀 漀瀀琀椀氀椀渀欀⸀唀唀䌀倀 ⠀匀愀洀 䈀愀猀猀攀琀琀⤀ഊNewsgroups: rec.org.sca ਀伀爀最愀渀椀稀愀琀椀漀渀㨀 伀氀搀Ⰰ 甀猀攀搀 匀琀攀眀愀爀搀ഊ ਀ऀ䤀琀✀猀 攀瘀攀渀 眀漀爀猀攀 琀栀愀渀 圀椀氀氀椀愀洀 猀甀爀洀椀猀攀搀 ⴀⴀ 琀栀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀 眀愀猀 椀渀搀攀攀搀ഊstarted as a party in Diana's back yard, and continued because people ਀攀渀樀漀礀攀搀 椀琀 猀漀 洀甀挀栀⸀ഊ The whole educational thing came in only because the IRS wouldn't ਀爀攀挀漀最渀椀稀攀 愀 ∀瀀攀爀洀愀渀攀渀琀 昀氀漀愀琀椀渀最 挀爀愀瀀 最愀洀攀 ☀ 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀∀ 愀猀 愀 氀攀最椀琀椀洀愀琀攀ഊnon-profit tax-exempt entity. There had to be some "redeeming social ਀瘀愀氀甀攀∀ 琀漀 椀琀⸀ഊ Considering the fact that the Society has always drawn heavily ਀昀爀漀洀 䄀挀愀搀攀洀椀愀 椀渀 最愀琀栀攀爀椀渀最 洀攀洀戀攀爀猀 ⠀猀攀挀漀渀搀 漀渀氀礀 琀漀 昀愀渀搀漀洀⤀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 椀搀攀愀 漀昀ഊauthenticity has been creeping in gradually over the last 25 years or so. ਀ऀ䤀 瀀爀攀搀椀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 戀礀 ㈀ 㔀  漀爀 猀漀Ⰰ 眀攀 眀椀氀氀 栀愀瘀攀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 爀攀愀挀栀攀搀 琀栀攀ഊordinary levels of authenticity of the Buckskin Brigades, and will be ਀愀瀀瀀爀漀愀挀栀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ⠀唀匀⤀ 䌀椀瘀椀氀 圀愀爀 爀攀ⴀ挀爀攀愀琀椀漀渀 昀漀氀欀 ⴀⴀ 洀愀礀戀攀 ㈀ 㜀㔀Ⰰ 琀栀漀甀最栀 㨀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀ⴀⴀ ഊSam'l Bassett -- System Administrator (among other silly things) ਀圀漀爀欀㨀 䐀匀䌀⼀伀瀀琀椀氀椀渀欀Ⰰ ㄀㌀㄀ ⴀ䌀 刀攀搀眀漀漀搀 圀礀Ⰰ 倀攀琀愀氀甀洀愀 䌀䄀 㤀㐀㤀㔀㐀㬀 ㄀ⴀ㜀 㜀ⴀ㜀㤀㈀ⴀ㜀㈀㔀㌀ഊInternet: samlb at optilink.com UUCP: uunet!optilink!samlb ਀ഊ ਀䔀搀椀琀攀搀 戀礀 䴀愀爀欀 匀⸀ 䠀愀爀爀椀猀ऀ匀䌀䄀ⴀ栀椀猀琀㄀ⴀ洀猀最ऀ倀愀最攀 ㈀㠀 漀昀 ㈀㠀ഊ ਊ