SCA-authors-msg - 6/28/95

Authors who have been/are SCA members.

NOTE: See also the files: placename-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, SCA-hist1-msg,
SCA-noteables-msg, SCA-in-books-msg, vanity-plates-msg.

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ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Schroeder) writes:
> "What are the expectations on peers over the course of their SCA lives?"
>
>Chivalry are not expected to be super-hot fighters into their 70's and 80's
>(though I hear we have a number of skilled fighters in their 50's and 60's).

An anecdote:  When Sir Bela of Eastmarch decided that life was tooo
busy to continue to be active in the SCA, and that age made it
impossible to continue to fight actively--he decided to "hang up his
spurs."  At that time he offered to retire from his Knighthood.  This
offer of retirement of rank was declined.  He is *still* a Knight--and
a highly respected one by all who know him.  While he may no longer
fight, he remains a source of sage advice and retains tales of the
earliest days of the Society.  For those unfamiliar with the gentleman
in question--the rest of the time you may know him as Poul Anderson.

        --Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  415/524-8321 (home)
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Date: 15 Jun 92 
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

Mark Silverdragon writes:
>This is not to the good and courteous gentles of the Rialto . . .
>       b) most (I believe) of the founders were (may I remind you
>            of Sir Bela of Eastmarch, Poul Anderson, author and fan);

I the same vein--

        Lord Randall of Hightower (Randall Garrett)
        Mistress Elfrid of Greewalls (Marion Zimmer Bradley)
        Mistress Diana Listmaker (Diana Paxson)
        Countess Bevan Frazier of Sterling (Katherine Kurtz)

Just to name some of the better known authors that have been in the
SCA at times.

        --Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)


From: whh@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Date: 13 Apr 90 02:08:46 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

bloch@mandrill.UUCP (Steve Bloch) writes:
>mittle@blinn.UUCP (Josh Mittleman (Arval)) quoteth me:
>Before I am overly flamed for posting such a rumor as fact, I have
>just as much direct evidence for the membership of Poul Anderson,
>Marion Zimmer Bradley, and Robert Asprin; I have never (to my
>knowledge) met any of them personally, nor seen any writings (under
>their mundane names) discussing the SCA explicitly.

Robert Aspirin == Yang the Nauseating
Marion Zimmer Bradley == Elfrida of Greenwalls
Poul Anderson == Sir Bela of Eastmarch
  (Read the forward to the revised edition of "The BRoken Sword"
   for a direct reference.  In addition, his wife--Karen Anderson,
   aka Mistress Karina of the Far West--is a former Vesper Princiopal
   Herald and a former Lady Laurel Queen of Arms.  In the early days 
   of the Society, titles of heralds--Laurel, Vesper, Clarion, Greencloak,
   etc.--went with the person, not the job.  Vesper was set up for Karina.)

If you want *really* explicit references--read Niven and Barnes "Dream
Park"  (Niven was active at one time.  His son used to get in trouble
for wandering onto the field at inopertune times . . .)  The there is
always "Murder at the War" by Mary Monica Pulver, which is set *explicitly*
at Pennsic.  There is a book being brought out in August by Baen Books
called "The Interior Life" by Catherine Blake that is supposed to have
some explicit (though minor) SCA references.

     --Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  415/524-8321 (home)


rom: whh@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Date: 15 Apr 90 07:12:03 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

Previously, I referenced Larry Niven as a former member of the
Society.  This in incorrect.  The prerson I was thinking of--because
he is so often associated with Niven--is Jerry Pournelle.  His name
within the Society was Jerome McKenna or something similar.

Further (which wwould tip off anyyone with the relevant data), it
was Pournelle's son that got chased off the field by heralds. (Niven
has no children.)

My apologies to anyone misled by my error.

    --Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  415/524-8321 (home)
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From: mittle@blinn.watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Date: 15 Apr 90 17:40:11 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research, NY

To add to the list:

>Robert Aspirin == Yang the Nauseating
>Marion Zimmer Bradley == Elfrida of Greenwalls
>Poul Anderson == Sir Bela of Eastmarch
> Niven was active at one time.
> "Murder at the War" by Mary Monica Pulver

Katherine Kurtz == Countess Bevin Fraser of Stirling
Esther Freisner == Lady Ursula de Santiago y Galiciano

Another author who explicitly refers to the SCA is Christopher
Stasheff, in Escape Velocity the "prequel" to his Wizard series.  I
have been told that he was never actually in the SCA, but wrote the
first and best of those books, The Warlock in Spite of Himself,
without ever having encountered us, and only later discovered what he
hath wrought.

I have always assumed that Patricia MacKennely, Vonda MacIntire, and
most of the authors of short stories in the Sanctuary series had dealt
with the SCA in one way or another.

        Arval.


From:    "Jan Janowicz Bogdanski" 
To:      Wilson Heydt 
Date: 17-Apr-90 08:40am
Subject: Re: SCA authors

Just as extra evidence for you, my mundane sister has met Marion Zimmer
Bradley and she did indeed belong to the SCA.  She has since become inactive. 
One reason she sited was that she is afraid someon is going to get seriously
injured at Crown.  I'm just repeating what I was told.
An author not to forget is Katherine Kurtz (Bevin Frasier (sp?) of Sterling). 
She's now in Ireland, or some such, now, though.
 
 
Yours in Service,
Pan Jan 

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From:    Ioseph of Locksley 
To:      All
16-Apr-90 09:00am
Subject: SCA Authors

In re: Authors who are also SCA members:
Add: Rick Cook: Count Richard Ironsteed (no longer active)

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From: samlb@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Sam Bassett RCD)
Date: 16 Apr 90 04:06:48 GMT
Organization: Old, used Steward (Thanks, Flieg)

        And then there are Peter Beagle's two books -- if he hasn't been
hanging around the Principality of the Mists sometime, I am a six-toed
frog!


From: well!jeannec@APPLE.COM ("Jeanne C. Stapleton")
Date: 16 Apr 90 16:20:36 GMT
Organization: Society for Creative Anachronism

Greetings to all from Berengaria:
 
I'm afraid I don't know how to do the nifty little trick that allows you to
quote earlier postings verbatim at length (color me ignorant - :-)), but
there have been a couple of postings about the membership of Poul Anderson
and Marion Zimmer Bradley in the SCA.
 
Poul Anderson is Sir Bela of Eastmarch; he and his wife, Karen, currenlty
live over in Orinda, CA (in the hills of the East Bay).  Karen has been known
to turn up at BART practice once in a blue moon; I haven't seen Sir Bela
since a Samhein in Madrone when he sat down next to me at a bardic and began
nibbling my ear.  (:-) - what can I say, he's a friendly guy!)  
 
Marion Zimmer Bradley lives at the other end of my block (Crown Prince and
Crown Princess at one end--famous sf author at the other...it's an inter-
esting neighborhood).  I'm surprised this one has gotten lost from oral
history:  MZB is the person who coined the name, "Society for Creative
Anachronism".  Her persona name is Elfrida of Greenwalls, and there's a
sign on her fence, "Greenwalls".  She hasn't been around the SCA in quite
a while, but her daughter, Moira, drifts through BART practice, also once in
a blue moon.
 
Berengaria de Montfort of Carcassonne
jeannec@well.sf.ca.us


From: whh@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Date: 16 Apr 90 19:03:49 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <47475@ames.arc.nasa.gov> samlb@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Sam Bassett
RCD) writes:
>
>       And then there are Peter Beagle's two books -- if he hasn't been
>hanging around the Principality of the Mists sometime, I am a six-toed
>frog!

Repeat after me, Sam'l:  "Ribbit!"

Beagle--by repute--encountered the SCA at Baycon (1968?) and then
studiously avoided us for the ensuing 20 years while he mulled over
what he wanted to write.  he didn't want to "contaminate" his ideas
with the reality.  As Hilary has remarked on occasion--"_Folk of the
Air_ is what the Society might have become."  (It is a logical result
from what he saw then--but it isn't the way we wound up going. . . .)

     --Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom


From: samlb@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Sam Bassett RCD)
Date: 17 Apr 90 19:51:35 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Mtn Vw CA 94035

Ioseph.of.Locksley@f29.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Ioseph of Locksley) writes:
>In re: Authors who are also SCA members:
>Add: Rick Cook: Count Richard Ironsteed (no longer active)

        Whose arms, if I remember rightly, were: "BMW, reversed"!

I cited Asprin because his activity *is* well known.  I cited Anderson
and Bradley because I know them--and have seen them around the Society
in years past.  In particular, in the past I've helped around the
Eastmarch encampment and my household is part of theirs.  Indeed--
when my Lady and I were married in 1971, the reception was held on the
Anderson's side lawn and Karen cooked a lot of the food.  (She cooks
a wonderful cockatrice . . .)

       --Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  415/524-8321 (home)


From: dlc@hpfcda.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Date: 19 Apr 90 16:46:16 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO

Hi again folks..

  I can't believe that no one has mentioned Christopher Stasheffs' (sp) books!
I'm speaking of the Warlock series, and especially "Escape Velocity" wherein
he explicitly states that the Barons of the SCA got together to finance the
entire group going and founding Grammaire.  The SCA became threatened because
its individualistic attitudes and tendency towards monarchy were against the
tenets of the Proletarian Ecclectic States of Terra (PEST).

Sliante!
Kevin MacKinnon  shire of Unser Hafen - Outlands


I recently read Patricia Kennealy's "Kelts in Space" fantasy trilogy. (I 
dont remember the titles... and they are referred to as such in one of the
author's forwards.) In the bio at the back she is listed as being in the 
SCA, in what I believe would be Ostgardr. I could be wrong about the SCA
group, not being familiar with the NYC area in the SCA sense. 

_The_Gryphon_King_ was written by Tom Dietz, set in Georgia. Part of the 
setting is a Rennaissance fair... I dont remember if it was put on by the 
local SCA in the book, or if they were just players at it. 

I distinctly remember a character named Sir Ander Poulson at the end of 
_Number_of_the_Beast_ by Robert Heinlein. (please, no RAH flames... ) The
end of that book was effectively a large party/convention, with mega 
quantities of in-jokes (most of which I didnt get till I started attending
conventions...). 

Megan Gwendylon
Canton GryphonWald
Barony Settmour Swamp
Southern Region
East Kingdom


From:    Halfdanr 
To:      Steve Bloch 
02-May-90 10:36pm
Subject: Re: SCA authors

Dik Browne was his real name, he has since passed away. He was a Marklander
for many years and his estate is still on our roster. He used to write us for
info on the viking age, we of course sent him the info he wanted. Dirty Dirk
was one of us.
 
Robert Aspirin is in Fact Yang the Nauseating, I met him at a Pennsic while
very drunk, me that is.


From: amanda@mermaid.intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Date: 4 Jun 90 04:10:31 GMT
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

Don't know if he's been mentioned yet, but I noticed in the afterword to
a book I just finished re-reading that Gordon R. Dickson is (or was at the
time of writing) quite active in the SCA.

--
Amanda Walker, InterCon Systems Corporation

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From: Orilee_J_Ireland-Delfs.wbst845@XEROX.COM
Date: 5 Jun 90 17:09:38 GMT
Organization: Society for Creative Anachronism

From what I understand, Patricia Kennealy (I don't think I spelled that
right...) author of The Silver Branch, The Copper Crown, and the Throne of
Scone is also a member of the SCA.  If you haven't read her books, do.  The
premise is a celtic culture set in space.  Good stories!  (I'd be more
specific but since my brain is at work, I don't have enough clear facts to
write about her and her books).

Orianna, the double titled Pursuivant
Thescorre, AEthelmearc, East
Rochester, NY


From: whh@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Date: 5 Sep 90 19:36:30 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

This is sparked by one of the auction items from the Ducal Prize
Tourney just past . . .

There are those who delight in ferreting out works of fiction by
authors who are in the SCA.  We're all familiar (or I hope we are)
with various works of Poul Anderson, Randall Garrett, and Marion
Zimmer Bradley.  Many will also be familiar with works by Paul
Edwin Zimmer, Robert Aspirin or Mary Monica Pulver.

An SCA member of long standing has a first novel in print.  The 
book is "The Interior Life" by Katherine Blake (Baen, Aug. 1990).

A copy of the book was donated to the auction and during the book
auction was spoken of *very* favorably by a number of people there.
It is a hybrid fantasy/main-stream novel in which a quite ordinary
housewife starts running a fantasy world in her head to cope with
the tedium of a rather dreary life.  The fantasy starts taking on a 
life of it's own, and her fantasy characters start advising *her*
how to run her life.  Along the way, she encounters (and in critical
case, learns to deal with), obnoxious senior management, computers,
classical music and the SCA.  There is a fair chance that this work
will appeal more to the female reader than the male, as it speaks
more to the problems of women in our society than it does to traditional
male roles, but it still has useful stuff (as well as entertainment
value) for those of us trying to understand how our Ladies view the
world.  It does this *without* being a feminist tract or trying to
convey a Message.

As I know the author, I will cheerfully convey any comments, reviews,
critiques or fan mail to her if they are e-mailed to me.  As the author
is rather insecure about how the book will do in the marketplace, (I
disagree, but what do I know), encouraging comments will be more 
appreciated than usual.  In the mean time--don't try to hard to find
Katherine Blake--it's a pseudonym.

        --Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  415/524-8321 (home)
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From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: thought experiment - fiction to read
Date: 17 Oct 93 12:19:57 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Ranvaig writes:
> Another source is the Lord Conrad series by Leo Frankowski, beginning
> with_Cross Time Engineer_. Conrad wanders into a time machine by
> accident and gets sent back to Poland, 1231, just in time for the
> Mongol invasions.  He sets out to stop them and changes time.
> Its been a while since I read them, but he was carrying a
> backpack for hiking and amoung his possesions were some seeds he had
> been carrying to give as a pressent.  

Actually, he was making a delivery from his mother's greenhouse business
if I recall correctly, hence, a *wide* variety of seeds.  Two other
advantages Leo gave Conrad, one; the whole thing happened in Poland, where the
language has mutated a *whole lot less* than in English speaking countries;
two; Conrad was engineer, somebody with *lots* of experience in design and
build.

> I've no idea if Mr. Frankowski
> is SCA.  His ideas of women are likely to drive feminists crazy.
> Among other things he introduces Playboy Clubs.

From "About the Author" in the back of Copernick's Rebellion by Leo Frankowski.
	"He is active in MENSA, the Society for Creative Anachronism and
	science-fiction fandom.  He is an officer in two writers' clubs
	and his hobbies include reading, drinking, chess, kite flying,
	dancing girls and cooking.  A lifelong bachelor, he lives alone
	in Sterling Heights, Michigan."
Anyone who lists dancing girls as a hobby is not the Alan Alda type.

                                                       - Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029


From: masc0575@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (Generic Account 0575)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: All the Bills are knights? was(Re: SCA merchandising?)
Date: 7 Feb 1994 21:40:59 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services

Ken Mondschein (v081lu33@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:

: 	Unbelted Champions vs. Buffalo Bills

	As far as I know, there is only one belted knight on the Bills,
Earl Glyn ap Rodri (mundanely Glen Parker, number 74, starting offensive
lineman).

: 		Tristan Clair de Lune

		Avenel Kellough
	:Chatelaine, College of St. Isidore of the Barony of Calafia:


Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: elmunadi@netcom.com (Kevin Munday)
Subject: Re: All the Bills are knights? was(Re: SCA merchandising?)
Organization: College of Heralds, Caid - Enforcement Division 
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 08:59:53 GMT

Re: Earl Glyn: His contract has a clause which specifically disallows him from
taking place in anything even remotely smacking of SCA combat for the entirety 
of his tenure with the Bills... (and there was much rejoicing amongst the 
contenders for Caid crown... (would you want a 6'5" 330lb man capable of a 
4.4second 40yd dash in 30 lbs of armor/football equipment out on _your_ playing 
field waving a 3 lb stick?
not moi...!) <actually, he's a fun fight...>   };)  )
__
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El Malim al-Haadi abd-al-Malik Husam ibn Khalid, El Munadi Herald, Caid
internet: elmunadi@netcom.com 
"That would be No, Bob..."
-- 
Kevin Munday - onomastic hacker and successful left-handed swordsman
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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: v081lu33@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (TRISTAN CLAIR DE LUNE/KEN MONDSCHEIN)
Subject: f&sf writers in the SCA (was re:authenticity)
Organization: University at Buffalo
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 02:37:00 GMT

	Also, don't forget Robert Asprin (Yang the Nauseating) and our very
own Dorothea of Caer Myrdinn (sp?). And, it goes without saying, Diana
Listmaker (Diana Paxson) and Marion Zimmer Bradley (who's SCA name escapes me).
See? All the nifty people are in the club. Hopefully, next time this thread
comes up, I'll be counted amongst the Published.
	In MZB's "Sword and Sorceress" anthologies, she generally says in the
author's bio if they're in the SCA. (I figure that's one of the things you
put on a bio). 

		--Tristan Clair de Lune


From: locksley@indirect.com (Joe Bethancourt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: f&sf writers in the SCA (was re:authenticity)
Date: 16 Apr 1994 09:19:10 GMT

TRISTAN CLAIR DE LUNE/KEN MONDSCHEIN (v081lu33@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: 	Also, don't forget Robert Asprin (Yang the Nauseating) and our very
: own Dorothea of Caer Myrdinn (sp?). And, it goes without saying, Diana
: Listmaker (Diana Paxson) and Marion Zimmer Bradley (who's SCA name escapes 
me).

Elflaeda of Greenwalls, as I recall...

: See? All the nifty people are in the club. Hopefully, next time this thread
: comes up, I'll be counted amongst the Published.
: 	In MZB's "Sword and Sorceress" anthologies, she generally says in the
: author's bio if they're in the SCA. (I figure that's one of the things you
: put on a bio). 

: 		--Tristan Clair de Lune

Don't forget Rick Cook (Richard Ironsteed) and Leslie Fish (Leslie the Bard),
and another whom I won;t mention because it's a pen-name that I prefer to 
keep under cover.....<grin!>

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From: djheydt@uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Authenicity ?
Date: 14 Apr 1994 03:05:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

AuntieS <aunties@aol.com> wrote:
>More f&sf authors in the SCA:
......
>Karen Anderson (SCA name escapes me for the moment)

Mistress Karina of the Far West (Laurel Queen of Arms 'way back
in AS single-digits)
....
>[Ruth] Atanielle Noel (Mistress Atanielle something)

Atanielle Unesse".

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West			UC Berkeley
Argent, a cross forme'e sable		djheydt@uclink.berkeley.edu


From: locksley@indirect.com (Joe Bethancourt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCAdians authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)
Date: 28 Aug 1994 09:53:45 GMT

Susan Carroll-Clark (sclark@epas.utoronto.ca) wrote:
: 	And Katherine Kurtz (Countess Bevin Fraser)  author of about
: 12 books now.  The SCA sneaks in here and there, mostly in
: SCAdianisms like referring to parts of a medieval feast as
: "removes".

Rick Cook, formerly known as Sir Richard Ironsteed, and first King of 
Atenveldt, Leslie Fish
....................etc
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From: folo@prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCAdians authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)
Date: 28 Aug 1994 02:41:33 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Didn't we do this last year? Did anyone keep a list (that they
can find...)

Anyway, Scadians in the arts include:
	Diana Paxson
	Poul Anderson
	Karen Anderson
	Marion Zimmer Bradley (who stuck us with *the* name)
	Edwin Zimmer
	Mary Monica Pulver
	Mercedes Lackey
	Robert Asprin
	Gordon Dickson
	Keith Laumer
	Phil Foglio
	Steve Sullivan
	John Ford
	Lucinda Seaman
	DC Fontana
	Bjo Trimble
	Roland Green
	Susan Sizemore
Some were only peripherally connected, while others were very
involved (Karen Anderson was Laurel Queen of Arms).

	Piers Anthony does not mention the SCA in his biography
	Peter Beagle supposedly attended some early events at
		cons but did not participate
	Christopher Stasheff ret-conned the SCA into his Warlock
		novels (he hadn't heard of the SCA when he wrote
		the first novel; when he moved into this area,
		he bought one of my Dragonspire books to get a
		feel of the SCA)

	Johnny Chambers was apparently a member (something by 
him appeared in an early TI. Rumors persist that Dik Brown
was a member but I've found no proof. According to Sir Franz,
Terry Gilliam was connected somehow with the SCA upon in
Minneapolis.

I'm certain there are many more...

Yrs, Folo
-- 
Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - folo@prairienet.org
Baron Wurm Wald (MidRealm) - Commander Baldwin's (NWTA)


From: mittle@panix.com (Arval d'Espas Nord)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCAdians authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)
Date: 29 Aug 1994 14:44:03 -0400
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC

>  Rumors persist that Dik Brown was a member but I've found no proof.

To the best of my knowledge, the rumor is founded on several suspiciously
timely strips that he drew.  Similar suspicions grew up around the authors
of the Winnie the Pooh comic strip that came out of Disney in the 80's;
shortly after Pennsic XIV, the knight character showed up, having just
returned from a knights' convention (hm....).  Pooh asked him if he'd
gotten tan; the knight answered "No, that's rust".  (HMMMM....)
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From: djheydt@uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCAdians authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)
Date: 28 Aug 1994 18:22:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

David Schroeder  <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>  Heinlein and Niven, too, for that matter, perhaps.

No.  The Heinleins were on the mailing list for the Page for years and
years, and we kept hoping they would come to an event some day,
but they never did.

The Barony of the Angels tried to get Niven interested in the SCA
for years and years, but he never tumbled.

There's SCA-related material in some of Niven's books, though--so
they tell me.  (I don't read him.)

Did somebody mention Frank Herbert?  When he was working for the
San Francisco Examiner he gave a big outdoor revel at a park and
we all came and fought and danced and feasted and got our
pictures taken, and Herbert did a story on the SCA for the
Examiner's Sunday supplement.  He never did anything else, but
it's one more event than Heinlein or Niven ever went to.

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West				UC Berkeley
Argent, a cross forme'e sable		djheydt@uclink.berkeley.edu


From: Kim.Salazar%em@mailgw.er.doe.GOV
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re:  SCAthian authors/artists
Date: 29 Aug 1994 15:43:54 -0400

     Rumor from the past:
     The Hagar the Horrible's artist was rumored to be SCA-literate
     after a series of strips circa 1978, which contained a Knight of
     Incredible Size and Prowess, who just happened to be sporting the
     arms (if the rumor is to be believed) of the immortal Sir Paul of
     Bellatrix.

     Other rumored SCA-friends (and probably members) of the time:
     The brothers Hildebrandt, illustrators of SF/fantasy fame.  I
     believe they did the art for the original Sword of Shinerra (sp).
     At the time many gentles swore that those illustrations contained
     familiar faces.

     And finally:  If the C.S. Friedman, active SF/fantasy writer, is
     indeed the same Celia S. Friedman I roomed with at college
     (highly likely!), she was known as Lady Adrienne of Huntington.
     Along with Lady Ariel she co-founded Fenmere, (Brandeis
     University group circa 1974-1979).  She also fenced for the
     college team, and was of the early popularizers of fencing in the
     East.

     Kim Brody Salazar/Ianthe d'Averoigne, OR, OL
     Forever a Carolingian   salazark%em@mailgw.er.doe.gov


From: djheydt@uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCAdians authors (and authors who include SCA in their works)
Date: 29 Aug 1994 15:53:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

rosalyn rice <rorice@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
> .... also if you want to add
>authors of fantasy role-playing games to the list you can include the
>creators of Runequest ....

Oh, my goodness, yes.  Count Stefan de Lorraine and Duke Stephen
MacEanruig, two-thirds of the Runequest team, started writing
Runequest after a few years in the SCA showed them how inaccurate
the sword- and other fighting in D&D was.

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin		Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West			UC Berkeley
Argent, a cross forme'e sable		djheydt@uclink.berkeley.edu
PRO DEO ET REGE


From: bettina.helms@7thwave.com (Bettina Helms) 
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Dickson, Asprin, et al
Date: 8 Nov 94 11:54:00 GMT
Organization: TSUNAMI - Catch the Wave! * Ponte Vedra, FL * 904-273-9738

AN>From: andrewandg@aol.com (AndrewandG)

AN>Yes Gordan Dickson was involved in the SCA, if only because he knew a lot
AN>of us.  I think he knew Yang, in fact.

Gordon R. Dickson used to participate, a long time ago, under the name
of "Kenneth of Otterbourn". I don't know if he became active enough to
earn any significant SCA honors (his good friend Poul Anderson *did* and
is still known as "SIR Bela of Eastmarch").

Not only did Dickson know Robert L. Asprin (once ska "Yang the
Nauseating", though he has since cut all ties to the SCA), he let him
pal around at his right hand for years and (unofficially?) sponsored
Asprin's creation of a science-fiction fangroup (with a heavy membership
overlap of oldtime Hordefolk) called the "Dorsai Irregulars". (They, and
as a result a large chunk of fandom, called Dickson "the Gordfather".)
:-)

Asprin, incidentally, was already severely disenchanted with what the
SCA had become -- *fifteen years ago*. He wrote a very bitter song about
it, having to do with a man who takes his little daughter to an event
only to have her ask a lot of embarrassing questions about the behavior
she observes, questions he can't answer. I heard the song exactly once,
at a science-fiction convention held in overlap with a local event in
Carolingia.


From: andrewandg@aol.com (AndrewandG)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Registering names
Date: 6 Nov 1994 23:25:59 -0500

Yes Gordan Dickson was involved in the SCA, if only because he knew a lot
of us.  I think he knew Yang, in fact.  I remember a bunch of us getting
together to talk about the effects of weapons and figting styles.  Andrew
Offit tried on one of Sir Albert von Drelenvelt's mail shirt and all most
fell over backwards when he sat down and took a swig out of a pop can! 
This was after a S. F. convention. Luciano


From: kroussea@mail.cc.trincoll.EDU (kroussea)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors <long>
Date: 14 Dec 1994 20:27:46 -0500
Cc: jo grant <jo_grant@crd.lotus.com>, The Rialto <sca@mc.lcs.mit.edu>

It seems to me that i've posted this three or four times already but here 
goes:

A glaring omission from this list is Katherine Kurtz!

I quote from the About the Author page of my tenth printing paperback 
copy of _High Deryini_ (March 1983) inside back page, last paragraph:

        "Miss Kurtz is active in the Society for Creative Anachronism, an 
organization which attempts to recreate the middle ages and rennaissance 
through tournamentsm banquets, revels, and classes in medieval arts and 
sciences.  As Bevin Fraser of Stirling in the SCA, she is an accomplished 
costumer, calligrapher and illuminator, herald, and expert on court 
protocol, as well as a student of medieval fighting forms (from the 
sidelines only; she bruises easily)."  

In addition to this, she and her husband, Scott McMillan were two of the 
six necessary paid members for Lough Devnaree, Drachenwald (Ireland)'s
original application for incipiency. Seamus, could you please verify this?

The last peice of information I have is that someone once told me that 
Katherine is a former Steward.  I'm sure there are records (and 
oldtimers) who could verify this.

Sorry for opening this thread again, but the AtA in the Camber books was 
the first place I heard about the Society.

Casey ap Cennedd                                              Casey Rousseau
Bowman's Rest, Beyond the Mountain, East       Trinity College, Hartford, CT
                        <kroussea@mail.trincoll.edu>


From: David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Authors <long>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:36:27 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Margaret Fraser, author of the Sister Frevisse mysteries,
(The Novice's Tale, the Outlaw's Tale, her new book, The Bishop's Tale,
et cetera) is a pseudonym for Mary Monica Pulver and a co-author
whose name I always forget (help me out Nordskogen folks!).

And the brothers Hildebrandt attended the coronation of Gyrth
and Melisande in the ancient days of the East (I was site autocrat).
I'm not sure if they came to any other events, though.

My best -- Bertram

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