Middle-hist-msg - 6/12/09 Histories of the Middle Kingdom. NOTE: See also the files: SCA-hist1-msg, SCA-hist2-msg, SCA-hist3-msg, P-history-msg, AEthel-hist-msg, Eald-hist-msg, Northshld-hist-msg, SCA-stories1-msg. KEYWORDS: SCA history Middle Kingdom story Pennsic ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ From: folo at prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Blackpowder, you must be kidding Date: 9 Jun 1994 17:37:37 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Black powder is not allowed at events in the Middle Kingdom (black powder weapons are, however). And I know why. I helped make the law. Many years ago, there was a gentle who knew nothing of black powder, brought an oop flintlock pistol to an event and discharged it. Indoors. The MK curia regis, not wishing to single out one person, made a law forbidding black powder. We figured that if someone responsible came up with the proper authenticity and safety regs at a later date, the law could be amended (aside: at least two of us who were then on the curia are now very active in black-powder- oriented reeanacting). By the time a bunch of us got around to writing up regulations, the law was so entrenched that people were telling me, Well, the Board outlawed black powder, that's why we wrote that law way back when. :) In coming up with the aforementioned regulations, we were adament on three points: one, that black powder was never to be used *on* the field of combat; two, that we would never use any projectiles beyond carefully restricted wadding; three, that safety precautions far outweighed any authenticity concerns. In brief then, whenever I speak of using black powder at an SCA events, I am referring only to its use in a demonstration or as a signalling device. I am now, always have been and probably always will be opposed to using any sort of projectiles fired by black-powder ordinance on the field of combat. Yrs, Folo -- Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - folo at prairienet.org Baron Wurm Wald (MK) - Commander Baldwin's Reg't (NWTA) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: ddfr at quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman) Subject: Re: Estrella Compact Organization: University of Chicago Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 22:33:05 GMT "I wish I had a nickel for every high-ranker who blythely comments "How would you like to have my job?"" (Tadhg) A very long time, not much after we moved back to Chicago, the U of C group was being run by a lady who was bored with being Seneschal but did not really want to let go. At one meeting she said something to the effect that her term was up, that she did not really want to be Seneschal again, but that she did not suppose anyone else would want the job. Someone promptly proposed one of the newer members. She went off with him and explained how difficult a group it was to run. He replied that the year before he had been an officer of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance, and he thought the SCA would be easy by comparison. He took the job, and did it well (until, unfortunately, he moved out of town). David/Cariadoc From: Raven Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Michael of Boarshaven Date: 03 AUG 94 12:11:46 EST Organization: Milwaukee Area Technical College btuck at winternet.com (Ben Tucker) writes: >Bruce Mills (millsbn at mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote: > >: I haven't heard about this before. Was it common knowledge at the time? >: This would go a long way towards understanding what happened. Was it kept >: quiet so as to not rock the boat? As things turned out, might >: it not have been better for Michael to step down right after the incident? >: Not having been there (or even in the SCA) at the time, I can only >: speculate on the motivations of those involved. > >Well, it's in the Middle Kingdom history that Baron Daemon de Folo sells. >The story is pretty well known on this end of the MK. And Folo should know... he was Michael's advisor from shortly after Michael won Crown. Folo, would you care to expand on these events? "Raven" (JSingle at Music.Lib.MATC.Edu) Milwaukee, Wisconsin USA From: julifolo at ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (watkins julia k) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Michael of Boarshaven Date: 3 Aug 1994 03:31:10 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana This is Folo, posting from his wife's account since his system suffered a disk crash (right after an extended weekend, so I haven't read mail for five days; if you've sent me anything, that's why you haven't heard from me). Michael was amoral, vindictive and manipulative long before the attack. His problem *was* commonly known at the time; in fact, there was a rumor that Rolac (Michael's predecessor) was going to keep him from being crowned due to the amnesia. Michael suffered from his amnesia for, possibly, a couple weeks; it's impossible to tell because a) he was still having problems for some time afterwards and b) he was faking it quite a bit (I remember the evening that I was over at his place, and his girlfriend turned to him and said, bluntly, "Folo's your friend; why don't you just tell him the truth?"). Any problems that Michael suffered from after the attack were there, in spades, before the attack. Remember, though, that Michael could be incredibly charming and sweet...when it served his purposes. He had said, when he was tanist, that he would leave the MidRealm a better place, even though he might be hated; and the changes that came about in response to his...actions...would certainly fill that bill. BTW, Richard d'Alsace, who was MidRealm Seneschal at the time, once noted that Michael was probably the most authentically medieval monarch he had ever seen: when he entered an event, every eye in the room turned to him. He was regarded with the same awe and fear that medieval monarchs were regarded, although it was not because he held power of life or death over his subjects but because he could very easily ruin the entire weekend for his subjects (Richard's opinion, not mine). Yrs, Folo From: mchance at crl.com (Michael A. Chance) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: We're having *what* for dinner? (Was: Kosher Locusts) Date: 3 Aug 1994 20:52:34 -0700 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Auntie Signy writes: > Long long ago in a kingdom much too close for comfort (the Middle, >actually) there was "June Bug Chili." The original came about because >someone forgot to put the cover on the chili; nowadays we just add whole >almonds. Ah, yes, the Barony of Illiton's famous June Bug Chili, served every year at the Olde English Fair at Jubilee State Park. There's something... "special"...about eating crunchy chili as you watch the junebugs flitter about the lanterns in the kitchen... Mikjal Annarbjorn -- Michael A. Chance St. Louis, Missouri, USA "At play in the fields Work: mc307a at sw1stc.sbc.com of St. Vidicon" Play: mchance at crl.com mchance at nyx.cs.du.edu From: folo at prairienet.org (F.L. Watkins) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Freaking the Mundanes? But why? Date: 18 Oct 1994 21:55:16 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana As I understand it, Scadian was originally a derogatory term applied to members of the SCA by some of the members of Markland. As in all groups with strong cultural identities, the SCA has a tendency to take derogatory terms and turn them on their ears. I think Scadian is a wonderful term and shall continue to use it no matter what its origins (sort of like "Skah" in the MidRealm, which was originally a derogatory term coined by disgruntled local skiffy fans who saw the SCA siphoning off their members; the full phrase was something like "Skah, the Thing That Devoured Fandom...") Yrs, Folo -- Damin de Folo - F.L.Watkins - folo at prairienet.org Baron Wurm Wald (MidRealm) - Commander Baldwin's (NWTA) From: David Schroeder Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: REALLY REALLY old timers needed Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:15:15 -0400 Organization: Sponsored account, Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Excerpts from netnews.rec.org.sca: 10-Apr-95 Re: REALLY REALLY old timer.. by Henry Troup at bnr.ca > In the Heraldic Precedents books, there's an early remark: > > "The Board believes xxx is the Dragon Herald because they have a newspaper > clipping that says he is" > > or words to that effect. I think the name was Bran something, > but I'm not going to commite myself. > Bran Kernow (or Kiernow) was the 1st Dragon Herald (from Tree-Girt-Sea) My best -- Bertram Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: REALLY REALLY old timers needed From: morgenstern at blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu (The Morgenstern Under the Mountain) Date: 11 Apr 95 10:43:10 EST Organization: Ball State University In article , hwt at bnr.ca (Henry Troup) writes: > In article , ddfr at midway.uchicago.edu wrote: > >> I cannot speak for the East Kingdom, since it was several years old >> when I moved there. But when the Middle was being started, the Known >> World Handbook was a major source for what we knew about the SCA. > > In the Heraldic Precedents books, there's an early remark: > > "The Board believes xxx is the Dragon Herald because they have a newspaper > clipping that says he is" > > or words to that effect. I think the name was Bran something, > but I'm not going to commite myself. Bran was in fact the first Dragon Herald. In fact, he actaully coined the name and was rather surprised when the Board accepted that as the actualname for the office. He was a member from very nearly the beginning, but as I recall, he wasn't at the first Middle Kingdom event. I don't know about the newspaper clipping story, but it sounds interesting... Anybody remember some of those EARLY anti-BoD songs? "Lie, Lie, Lie to the council, Lie to the heads of state..." :) Reb Azrael Morgenstern (No, I wasn't there...I just recall what I read in the "Brief History of the Midrealm.") > > Henry Troup - hwt at bnr.ca disclaimer - as usual From: tmcd at crl.com (Timothy A. McDaniel) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Longest-active SCA members Date: 22 Jun 1995 01:56:34 -0500 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] In article <3s2og5$2pp at newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Annejke wrote: >There are many OLD folk around, all over 20 years. In the Middle Kingdom >I know that ... Baron >Caradoc of the Bow are still active. It's a bit debatable, but we seem to have a new member of the SSS. Could someone prod Justin du Coeur, please? I don't have his address. This is from e-mail from His Grace, Duke Cariadoc, Knight, et cetera (a fudge because I can't remember whether he's a Laurel, a Pelican, or both): Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:58:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199506220458.XAA14324 at midway.uchicago.edu> To: "Timothy A. McDaniel" From: ddfr at midway.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: Baron? In the very early years, when things were less organized than they now are, Diana and I used the titles "Baron and Baroness Tregirtsea," Tregirtsea being the capital province. Indeed, we were sometimes referred to as the "Tregirtseas." My memory is that we, or our herald, had asked some relevant person out west if we could be Duke and Duchess of Tregirtsea, and this was suggested as an alternative. On the other hand, I do not remember our ever being officially made court baron and baroness, and Tregirtsea is not a barony. David/Cariadoc David Friedman ddfr at midway.uchicago.edu I dimly recall reading a history of the early days of the Midrealm in which "the Barony under the Mountain" was mentioned as a very early name for the Middle. The arms had a dragon flying about a mountain, and the later Middle arms changed the mountain into a pale. However, I don't have the source to hand, so this is just an assertion. -- Daniel de Lincoln Tim McDaniel tmcd at crl.com Sometimes mcdaniel at dfw.net, sometimes tmcdanie at unicomp.net Was tccg at netcom.com, was mcdaniel at convex.com, was mcdaniel at adi.com, ... Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Longest-active SCA members From: morgenstern at blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu (The Morgenstern Under the Mountain) Date: 24 Jun 95 18:00:43 EST Organization: Ball State University In article <3sb472$7da at crl12.crl.com>, tmcd at crl.com (Timothy A. McDaniel) writes: > > I dimly recall reading a history of the early days of the Midrealm in > which "the Barony under the Mountain" was mentioned as a very early > name for the Middle. The arms had a dragon flying about a mountain, > and the later Middle arms changed the mountain into a pale. However, > I don't have the source to hand, so this is just an assertion. This sounds like Orlando Ambrosius' "Brief History of the Middle Kingdom", in which he makes precisely that statement. I always liked the sound of it, which referred to (I believe) Wilmot Mountain, at which one of the Midrealm's eariest events (first coronation?) took place. Personally, I prefer the mountain on the arms to the pale, but times change, I suppose. "Baron Under the Mountain" is still used as a title for the King of the Midrealm. At the Better War Through Archery event in January, I heard the heralds announce the Queen as, among a half-dozen other titles, "Baroness Under the Mountain", so I suppose the tradition has still stuck. Azrael Morgenstern Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: DDFr at Midway.UChicago.edu (David Friedman) Subject: Re: Longest-active SCA members Organization: University of Chicago Law School Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 04:15:40 GMT In article <1995Jun24.180043 at blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu>, morgenstern at blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu (The Morgenstern Under the Mountain) wrote: Timothy A. McDaniel writes: > I dimly recall reading a history of the early days of the Midrealm in > which "the Barony under the Mountain" was mentioned as a very early > name for the Middle. The arms had a dragon flying about a mountain, > and the later Middle arms changed the mountain into a pale. However, > I don't have the source to hand, so this is just an assertion. It was the principality under the mountain, to the best of my memory and belief. I do not remember any such banner. Wilmot "mountain" is where the first (and last) coronet tourney was held. -- David/Cariadoc DDFr at Midway.UChicago.Edu From: Pat McGregor Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Teens in the SCA??? Date: 29 Sep 1995 16:45:51 GMT Organization: Intel IT Tech Pubs Bill McNutt wrote: > >Like I said, I think that five years old is premature. I'm not so sure >about 15, and I'm SURE about 17. > >I think we need to rethink our national policy. > I was around when Sir Alen did a great deal of research through his law firm about these sorts of laws, and I read his report (not officially an "opinion") carefully. This was in the 1984-ish time frame, give or take a year or so. One of the problems was a great number of states who defined child abuse so narrowly (and required reporting by hospitals, physicians, etc) that an adult bruising a minor (even if that minor was 17) as child abuse. Certainly the Middle didn't want to risk it, and the Board, neither. We probably need to have a similar survey done today. siobhan From: normteck at frontiernet.net at frontiernet.net Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: SCA Mythology part 3 Date: 21 Feb 1996 02:50:54 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Access >: That evening at court, Hugo also received a 'Dragon's tooth', the >: Midrealms highest fighting award for his feat. Not to mention that he >: made it to the quarter finals in his first coronet. >The Mid has always been "funny" about awards. I know a guy who got his >lordship for "writing" a filk, "Takin Care of Kingdom." Baron Stephen Ironhand, at that time from the Mid, received the order of the Dragon's Breath for his enthusiastic rendition of Happy Birthday, sung (if you're crazy enough to call it that) to the tune of the William Tell Overture (The Lone Ranger theme). The scroll was done in Hatchet Hand by (since made Master) Pavel Iosovitch. I understand Pavel destroyed 19 nibs making the scroll which couldn't be viewed by women passing water in our bathroom, but the men could see it while performing the same task. If anyone can add to this one I'm sure the story could only improve. Raphael Tempovaloroso, OGS, OCL Thescorre, Regnum Orientalis From: ianengle at freenet.columbus.oh.us (Ian Engle) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Middle broke away? Date: 3 Jul 1996 10:58:19 -0400 Organization: The Greater Columbus FreeNet Hmm. Well, as Cariadoc noted and as is recorded in Orlando Ambrosius' History of the Middle Kingdom, there was a period of some six months when we were a "principality" of the East. But then things were much looser in those days. We were never a principality in the "modern" sense of the word. --Sion Subject: Re: ANST - Principality petitions/seccession war Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 14:42:19 MST From: "Galen W. Bevel" To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG Scot Eddy wrote: ............................Coronation has a battle and the Prince > "banishes" the old King and steps up. He then chooses a champion from > those that distiguished themselves in the battle. Lots of persona > play, a medieval reality (overthrowing the King) and lots of fun. > > Again no dishonor to Ansteorra is meant, just a cool stepping up idea. > > Jovian Skleros > Ansteorran Actually, this sort of thing has been done in the past in other Kingdoms, tho' it isn't our custom. Let me see if I can get a great story straight as it was related to me. When Edmund first stepped up as King of the Middle, he wanted a cool Coronation. Having met and been befriended by Edmund (and my self, from Ansteorra as fate would have it)at Gulf Wars V, Bjorn, King of the East thought it would be fun to show up at Edmunds Coronation. He marched in with several of his knights and claimed that they were there to "protect" the Middle throne during the interegnum, following the recent demise of the Middle soveriegn. Of course, this interegnum might end up lasting several years. Edmund, totally caught off guard, valiantly proclaimed his right to the throne and he and the knights of the Middle went off to seek their armor and trounce these invading Easterners. A royal melee (literally) ensued, with Edmund of course coming out victorius and going on to ascend the Mid-Realm throne. Bjorn told me at the 30year Celebration that at one time during the battle, the knights got so enthusiastic about the battle that they left Edmund standing alone, beside Bjorn...and two or three Eastern knights. Bjorn said it was almost more temptation than he could handle, but he was good and went off to join his other knights in battle, and left the Middle its Crown Prince. I make no claims for the veracity of this story, as I am telling it from memory after several years, and of course feel the need for a bit of poetic license to make it more enjoyable, but any variations from the basic truth are accidents and entirely the fault of my leaky memory. In such a case..my apologies to both Edmund and Bjorn. Graf Galen K. Subject: Re: BG - principalities else where.. Date: Tue, 09 Jun 98 11:17:06 MST From: dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!jumpnet.com!not-for-mail at at dca1-feed1.news.digex.net To: bryn-gwlad at Ansteorra.ORG Hello, this is Raito. I'd like to comment on Nicolaa de Bracton's message on Ealdomere as I was living in the Middle Kingdom at the time all this happened. Much has been deleted from the original. > > I can tell you a little why we chose that route. I think it was in the back > > of the mind of the first group members up here to someday have a Northern > > Kingdom. Round about 1986 or so, we decided to select a regional > > champion--this is the route Calontir had taken towards becoming a kingdom > > some years before. But things had changed; the Middle Kingdom decided that > > regions could not have champions or even names. This was decided without > > consulting us here in Ealdormere, so we felt crushed. However, two years > > later, we became a Crown Principality (that's a principality in name, but > > without Royalty) and about 2 1/2 years after that, in 1990, we advanced to > > full Principality status. Last January, we were approved to advance to > > Kingdom status, which we will do next October. The Regional Debacle was an example of the wrong (though very Middle) reaction to a problem. As I understand, the reason Regions (capital R) were banned was because some clueless person thought that they were more than they were, and was demanding status based on it. Instead of quietly dragging said individual into a corner and beating some sense into them, the Middle made a Law (which is their tendency. If you've been around long enough, you know which laws were made as a result of whose troubles). This led to the age of 'independently administered geographical areas'. Later, there were regions again. > > One of the driving reasons why we became a Principality was the size of the > > Middle Kingdom. It's huge. We also thought we had a somewhat different > > culture here (being all Canadians, for one thing, and tending towards lots > > of smaller groups instead of fewer huge groups). We also, as I mentioned, > > wanted to see our own folks as Royalty--the King and Queen were people we > > saw once a reign, if we were lucky, at that point. In fact, the Middle Kingdom is so big that it makes some of the arguments about Principalities in Ansteorra a bit amusing to me. It still stretches from Manitoba to Kentucky. Those of you who think that Ansteorra is too big should try getting to Winnipeg from anywhere. Actually, Castel Rouge (Winnipeg) was placed into the Principality of Northshield against its will. Having lived through the creation of 3 princilaplities in the Middle (Calontir, Ealdomere, and Northshield), I can say that the successful ones had some important items in common. They were already acting like Principalities, and had very active desire to become Principalities. In those cases, it was not done to ease any burden on the Kingdom, and had nothing to do with the Kingdom. They already had their own culture. The less successful one did not have these items. I had visited all 3 while they were Principalities. It was obvious to me which had been done for the right reasons, and which for the wrong. The largest problem that I have seen with the formation of a Principality is the politics. I have seen persons, both for and against, lie outright to advance their causes. Calling it to their attention didn't make me very popular. I have had my honor personally called into question because of the question of Principality (semi-quote 'Obviously Raito will rhino his way through the coronet so that he can dissolve the Principality because he voted no on the ballot' [as if the Prince can dissolve it]). I have had to put up with persons discussing the 'loyalty' of others. I'd rather not go through that again. Kitakaze Tatsu Raito Neil Gilmore npg at wesson.com From: "Drew Nicholson" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Baby Barons Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 21:17:08 -0500 "Terri/Hrothny" wrote > I heard a rumour this weekend that some King and Queen had created Court > Barons of their three children - one a baby in diapers. Surely this is just > a silly rumour? The folks mentioning it (as so often happens with stupid > Urban Legends) didn't know which Kingdom it "happened in just this month". > I can't imagine that anyone would be that cavalier with honour awards but > figured that if anyone would know the truth of how the rumour got started, > it'd be someone here. > Where is this story coming from? Midrealm. Yes, it did indeed happen. While there have been varied reactions to this within the kingdom, the general consensus is that They are the King and Queen, and have the right to bestow this most personal of awards upon anyone they see fit. The award/position of Court Baron is one that has highly varying "standards" (at least in the MidRealm), and that might be taken into account when reacting to these awards. Below are the words of Their Majesties Midrealm. > "It is truth that We made unto Our sons Barons of the Court. There are many > other rumors that are not true but such is the burden of Royalty. We > do not let such base gossip darken Our days. Many have cheered at Our > boldness and others have criticized Our giving these and other > awards to children. > To this We simply say that children are just as important a part of the SCA as > adults. Often they work as hard or harder than the adults and their service > is in need of recognition. And if an individual would be so selfish as to > deny the recognition of another then they should examine their actions > and heart. For by stating their selfish nature it has shown that Our > actions in rewarding children and adults alike are good and just. If you > hear dissent please pass on Our words to them or have them seek Us out and > have them voice their displeasure to Us and We shall tell them in person. > > We had the courage to do it publicly in the highest profile event and at the > beginning of the reign so that all may see. We leave people to judge Us as > they like. No matter if they judge Us good or bad We will lead and do what > We think is right. > > King Felix > trm at midrealm.org" I suggest that if you have issues with this, you simply contact them. -- Purple From: "Anthony J. Bryant" Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Baby Barons Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:53:45 -0500 Organization: Indiana University Okay. I'm a court baron. I used to be Baron of the Far West. But that was ages ago, in another kingdom. People may ask "What is your Laurel for?" -- but I've never heard anyone ask "what is your court baronage for?" Court baronies are, for good or ill, one of the few really totally discretionary awards the Crown can make. There are official standards for just about everything else. The Crown *can* ignore those standards, if they wish, of course, and elevate whom they will -- but the fact is, there are standards. There is no such standard for the Court Barony. The Crown can give it for exemplary and long service for which no other award seems suitable; the Crown can give it for a retirement "job well done" (esp. to stepping-down baronial coronets); the Crown can even capriciously give it to someone for exemplary acts of friendship. Any and all of these are, in fact, historically viable reasons for making someone a great lord or baron. Kings may do as they will, as long as they don't violate the Laws. No laws have been broken. Had I been asked, I would have advised against it -- but Their Majesties are my King and Queen, my Liege lords, and I am their subject and a loyal peer. Though I would have advised against it, I will support them in what they have done as they have not done anything illegal, immoral, indecent, or improper. They have made personal decisions about personal awards which, according to our Laws, is theirs to give as they will. And to me, that is an end to it. Effingham Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:51:55 -0500 From: Martinsen at ansteorra.org, Kerri" " at ansteorra.org Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: Creative Supplimentation To: Cooks within the SCA On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Pat wrote: > I started in the SCA in Atenveldt (Greater Phoenix, AZ). > There are three baronies, a College, and a Shire all > within an hours drive, but the rest of the Kingdom is > spread out over a huge area. (There are nearly 5 million > people in Arizona, but 3 million of them live in the GPA Hum. Interesting differences. I started playing in Northshield when it was part of the Middle. In the 2 years I played there, I saw royalty once, at my first event and I didn't know what to do. (Nothing like getting called in front of the King during feast when you have no silverware and are eating steak with your fingers). Most events were camping, except in the winter. A 3 hour drive to an event was considered daytripable. Feasts were standard (and cheep cheep cheep!) at camping events, although they were usually small (50-60 was standard) Leftovers were used for breakfast. I wasn't paying attention to what kind of food was being served at feasts, as long as I didn't go away hungry I was happy. The one thing that I miss in Atlantia is Crash space. In Northshield, you could always call the autocrat (or the crash-o-crat) and they would have a list of people willing to take folks in for the night. Made day events possible. Don't here about that out in Atlantia. Maybe I'm just in the wrong circles. Kerri Martinsen Hrosvitha von Celle kerrimart at cablespeed.com Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 03:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Elyse Boucher Subject: Re: [SCA-AS] Huzzah/Vivat? To: Arts and Sciences in the SCA --- Anna Troy wrote: <<< This is a slightly strane question but since this is the largest list I'm on here goes. Which kingdoms shout Huzzah at court and which shout Vivat/Vivant? Does anyone know how and why this divide occured? Anna de Byxe >>> Northshield uses vivant/vivat in court (the first Prince by right of arms was nurtured in Atlantia) and skol in the feast hall (owing to the large number of people who are modernly of Scandinavian descent (Norwegian, myself) in the kingdom). The Middle uses "Hoobah!"--stems from the days of yore, when a couple of venerable and ancient Dukes were trying to encourage some budding belly dancers with shouts of "hubba, hubba!" It just sort of morphed from there, but I can not tell you how, for the transformation from one to the other was complete by the time I arrived in the Midrealm. To the best of my knowledge, none of the sons of the Dragon (Calontir, Ealdomere, Northshield) use Hoobah. IIRC, Huzzah is primarily used in the Kingdoms to the west of us. Don't quote me, though. Based on this, my *guess* as to the origin of the split comes from the simple fact that the East wanted something different from the West, and the Middle went its own oddball way, leaving the kingdoms who would eventually split off from the first 3 to choose their own paths. Yours, Merouda Pendray Modern: Elyse C. Boucher, West Allis, WI SCA: Merouda Pendray, Caer Anterth Mawr, Northshield Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:42:09 -0400 From: "Jonathan E. Feinstein" Subject: RE: [SCA-AS] Huzzah/Vivat? To: "'Arts and Sciences in the SCA'" -----Original Message----- Okay, I'll bite again and show my ignorance of early Horde history, despite having read various things and having been given several early Horde song tapes. HAMMs? >>> Sorry, I wasn't trying to be mysterious. I think it's more early Middle, than Horde history, although it goes back far enough that these things blend. The Brotherhood of H.A.M.M.S. (Humbly Arrogant Masters of Mirthful Song... And yes, I think Yang did coin the name) was a group of the select songsters of the SCA in the Middle and not too much later in the East. It included Yang the Nauseating, Azarael the Soul Separator, Hael of the Broken Masque, Richard of Alsace, and a few others. The only ones I can think of who are still vaguely active these days are Moonwulf of Rivenstar, El of the Two Knives and myself. Membership was always a bit fuzzy so there may be a few more I never knew were members. Yosef From: Mother Mo Cridhe! Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA history from my perspective... Ameoba and my recollection of other games Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:11:11 -0000 On Aug 20, 11:04 pm, jk wrote: > What makes you think it was outlawed? > > Mother Mo Cridhe! wrote: > >Hee hee... I thought, why not? > >I'm one of the central culprits for an old SCA game... the Ameoba. (I > >have no idea what so ever if this game is still played, but it is > >silly.) > > >It was Arwyn & Chepe's wedding, Three Rivers on the campus of > >Washington University. > >It started out, I was standing arm in arm with Corwin and Cyfruis (... > >uh... that don't look right, but...). We were just standing around > >that way and chattering. Corwin's wife, Linnet came up and twined her > >arm around him, and we kept chattering away. Cyfruis' other girl > >friend came along and twined her arm around him, and we kept chattering > >away. Karl von Kuhlmann came along (Cyfruis' other girlfriend's other > >boyfriend...), and joined in... pretty soon, more folks were joining > >in this arm in arm line-up, I think just because the proportions were > >beginning to be silly enough to be fun looking. > >Pretty soon, the two on opposite ends of the line-up decided that they > >should close the ends and shuffled the line into a circle. > >By this time we were all pretty silly, so we went along with it, > >giggling and snorting all the way. > >Well... all that giggling & snorting in this circle... more folks just > >had to squeeze in... and there was more giggling... which attracted > >more people... > >Pretty soon a couple of folks suggested that this formation was > >resembling an ameoba. > >What do ameobas do? > >They wander around and eat up other organisms... > >So, giggling and snorting and someone started chanting "Ameoba-ameoba- > >ameoba..." and we started capturing other people on the grounds and > >squeezing them into the circle. > >Pretty soon there were more people playing Ameoba than were loose on > >the grounds... > >And that's how Ameoba started. > > >Anybody remember Clench a Wench? > >The one and only time I ever played it, the game had just recently > >been outlawed in the SCA. However, at a private revel... actually... > >I believe it was just someone's birthday party of close friends, all > >of whom happened to be in the SCA. > >In this particular game, the guys were assigned letters and the gals > >were assigned numbers. > >Anyrate, things were progressing and a lot of us were wondering why > >the game was outlawed, we were all having fun and things were > >progressing as they should. > >By the time it was my turn to sit in the middle and call out a letter > >and a number, I really had honestly figured out who was assigned which > >letter or number. But... I was more suseptible to my hypoglycemia in > >those days, having indulged in a hefty portion of cake and other > >sweets, I was getting pretty hungry for protein... specifically... > >steak... nice... tender... fire grilled... BOVINE BLOOD MEAT!!! > >With out much thought I called out "A-1" > >Then... I realised who I called out. > >I heard the war cries from both sides of me. > >I looked one way and saw Linnet in full charge. > >I looked the other way and saw Corwin in full charge. > >I squawked, covered my head with my arms and rolled up into an uber- > >fetal position. > >I had knees in my back, elbows cracking me in the skull, hands clawing > >at my shoulders and arms, and TWO PEOPLE RIGHT ON TOP OF ME!!! > >Luckily, I am a fair sized gal, even then, when I looked like a > >skeleton, I weighed in at 140 pounds (I'm 6' tall), so I wasn't any > >more injured than a small bruise to my ribs. I was able to emerge > >laughing at the good natured rough housing... > >On the other hand, it was quickly decided that that was the very > >reason Clench a Wench was outlawed, and the game was immediately > >disbanded. > > jk- Clench a Wench was outlawed in the Middle Kingdom ... oh... it was before Calontir was even a principality, I'm not even sure Calontir was named at that time... uhm... it would have been XIV or there abouts, I think. Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 18:53:00 -0400 From: Johnna Holloway Subject: [Sca-cooks] Midrealm News regarding royalty OT OP To: Cooks within the SCA News from Midrealm Lists today-- Johnnae Posted today on LegioDraconis.com: To to the populace of the Middle Kingdom, We write this missive with a heavy heart. As of last night the BOD has terminated our reign. During the period when Tessa was recovering from her shattered elbow and surgery, we had a hard time juggling personal life and SCA life. Our membership renewal was lost in the mail and by the time we realized it, our membership had lapsed for 3 days. According to Corpora, that leads to an automatic termination. We are very sorry for any hurt or pain this may cause to the populace of the Middle Kingdom. Our kingdom is the best in the Knowne World due to it's populace. We appreciate the support that we were given. It was truly incredible. We hope that everyone will give the same support to our successors no matter who they might be. Tessa & Lutr From: Reed Harrig Date: Sat 17 May 2008 10:39:20 AM EDT It is with absolutely no joy that I find myself Regent of the Middle Kingdom. Her Grace Aislinn will be assisting me in those duties. While this is a very unusual situation, it does will not require vast changes to the day to day operation of the Kingdom. We already have a Crown Tourney scheduled to take place on Sunday May 25th. The format and manor of the tourney will be the same as every other Crown Tourney. The only difference will be that on that day the winner will be Crowned Sovereign and the gentle they fought for will be Crowned Consult. The new King and Queen will serve for the duration of the normal summer reign. At a time and place to be determained later this summer, another Crown tourney will be held to choose the Heirs who will then step up in September. If anyone has any questions, please do not hesitate to contact Duchess Aislinn or myself. With a bit of hard work and determination, the good works of Lutr and Tessa need not be wasted. In Service, Palymar Midrealm Regent Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 23:25:18 -0400 From: chawkswrth at aol.com Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Midrealm News regarding royalty OT OP To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org This is the exact letter as it was posted on the Livejournal SCA List; Greetings unto the Noble Populace of the Midrealm from Duke Palymar of the Two Baronies, Regent of the Midrealm, In the past few days, we have witnessed many fine examples noblesse oblige, as people have lent their voice in support of friend and Kingdom. In an effort to ensure the succession of the Royal lineage, and with support of the Board of Directors of the SCA, Inc., an ad hoc Crown tournament will be held on Sunday, May 26, at 10 am., prior to the already published and announced tournament. This tournament will be open to Sir Lutr Ulfskjald and those combatants and consorts who are found to be acceptable to the Regent. Following the conclusion of this tournament, the victor will immediately be Crowned King and Queen of the Midrealm and the previously advertised Crown tournament will commence as scheduled. Complete details will be posted on the Crown Tourney website in the near future. Thank you all for your patience and understanding during this unprecedented occasion in the Midrealm, In Service, Duke Palymar of the Two Baronies Regent of the Midrealm Kudos to His Grace for a most equitable solution to a horrid, sticky question. Remember-the rules are there for a purpose. The BOD MUST uphold what they, themselves have passed. Whether that law is right or wrong, is moot. Let us hope that Right does indeed prevail at what is truly going to be a Crown Tournament. Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 03:08:49 -0500 From: "otsisto" Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Midrealm News regarding royalty OT OP To: "Cooks within the SCA" On another list I recieved info that because of several past incidences the BOD can not be flexible. Apparently all it takes is a few twerps to ruin it for others and thus Lutr and Tessa can not appeal. :( -----Original Message----- This is unconscionable. I can't believe that we are so hidebound by rules that we can't take into account something of this nature. Surely they will appeal. While I haven't had the privilege of meeting them, I'm sure that there are many in the Middle who would support an appeal of this decision. Kiri Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 12:27:01 -0400 From: Johnna Holloway Subject: [Sca-cooks] Midrealm Crown for the Summer Reign To: Cooks within the SCA I'll post this since I've been asked what was happening. Johnnae (at home in Michigan) <<< Courtesy of the Middlebridge Dag and Lutr fought the first of their two-out-of-three. Lutr won, and they went off to change arms. Lutr returns to find Dag handing his helm and sword to the marshals. Dag then makes a speech about how Lutr has fought Chivalrously and bested, in true Chivalric manner, all comers, and Dag acceeded the Tourney to Lutr. The Marshals had to come and help Lutr stand down, as he was too stunned to move. The Hall has gone wild. Dag offered both his sword and chain to Lutr, who asked that the chain be given to Tessa. Tessa took the chain, then returned it to Dag. And that's the way we play in the Middle. Hoobah to our once and Future King and Queen, Lutr and Tessa! With Joy at this reporting. Shlomo K Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:33:18 -0400 From: rattkitten Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Coronation of Lutr and Tessa To: Cooks within the SCA I thought someone might get a bang out of this... this was emailed out to a lot of Atlantian email lists... This is NOT MY WORK!!!!!!!!! It belongs to Lord Jonathan Blackbow. Nichola ------ So there's a poetry competition in Windmaster's Hill's next event, and the theme is: Poetry contest! Baron James of Middle Aston, Poetia Atlantia, is sponsoring a poetry contest. The virtues highlighted at the Pas are Chivalry, Prowess, Countenance, and Magnificence. Create verse that encompasses and extols one or more of these virtues. Instill courage in the hearts of fighters or honor those who idealize these virtues. Documentation is encouraged. I didn't have an entry. I have to be inspired to write. Then I watched the youtube video of Duke Dag at Lutr's Crown victory and the rest was easy. Casey Hits it Out of the Park (a poem in honor of Duke Dag, King Lutr, and the Adversity that made their Light Shine that much more Brightly In a Darkened World) The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Middle King that day Tess's elbow, broke; they'd done their best, but mail was delayed and the BoD, they did their usual thing, t's dotted and i's crossed; said "Lutr, buddy, the rules is the rules, so face it, bud, you've lost." Now Lutr's a right standup guy, and took it with good grace "Let's face it, folks, we screwed the pooch, and now we've got to face the facts that are: our reign's been shot, and now we've got to fix the mess that's left, and then go back to hitting each other with sticks." But the last guy that screwed the pooch, you say, I can't remember his name got banned from fighting Crown for years for doing just the same So the Middle was in a mess, no doubt, names called and fingers pointing to champion their special cause: the King of next anointing. So about this time - we'll never know why - the BoD saw what they'd caused a simple rule, so easy to fix, and yet they never paused to think "hey, maybe we should change this rule before it causes grief and pain and angst and angry words and problems past belief." We're sure they did their best by us, the members of their club We're sure this rule will soon be fixed, before the next king's dubbed But meantime the thought that comes back down is "Palymar's the judge of fixing this as best he can, to clear away the sludge." At least four times did Lutr fight that day to win his Crown But one stands forth; the last he fought, 'gainst a man of great renown Duke Dag did strive in that last of rounds for many a mighty blow But all for naught, or so it seemed, since Lutr laid him low Then Dag arose, and said the words that some of you have heard he spoke of oaths, and kings, and law, and keeping of one's word "the law's been met, I'll fight no more," and he said it with such force, the roar of approval from the crowd meant the deed was done, of course. And Lutr and Tessa were crowned again, and many hearts were glad, And while were sure that some hearts weren't; know what? that's just too bad. So, Lutr and Tessa are King and Queen, and great! But my words mark: The best of men that day? Was Dag. He hit it clear out of the park. ranvaig at columbus.rr.com wrote: <<< The first part is the speech by His Grace Dag. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jWx0CV25tw Ranvaig >>> Edited by Mark S. 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