Drach-hist-msg - 8/22/02 Histories of the Kingdom of Drachenwald. NOTE: See also these files: SCA-stories1-msg, SCA-hist1-msg, placenames-msg, East-hist-msg, border-stories-msg, you-know-msg, SCA-notables-msg. ************************************************************************ NOTICE - This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday. This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter. The comments made in these messages are not necessarily my viewpoints. I make no claims as to the accuracy of the information given by the individual authors. Please respect the time and efforts of those who have written these messages. The copyright status of these messages is unclear at this time. If information is published from these messages, please give credit to the originator(s). Thank you, Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous Stefan at florilegium.org ************************************************************************ From: mabr at sweden.hp.com (Morgan "the Dreamer" Broman) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCAdians authors (and authors who include SCA in their works) Date: 31 Aug 1994 11:12:12 GMT Organization: HP/SCA/SKA/FSTS/AMTS/SLRP/ETC Sweden Dorothy J Heydt (djheydt at uclink.berkeley.edu) wrote: : rosalyn rice <rorice at bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote: : > .... also if you want to add : >authors of fantasy role-playing games to the list you can include the : >creators of Runequest .... : Oh, my goodness, yes. Count Stefan de Lorraine and Duke Stephen : MacEanruig, two-thirds of the Runequest team, started writing : Runequest after a few years in the SCA showed them how inaccurate : the sword- and other fighting in D&D was. That was how SCA came to Sweden, a couple of guys role-playing found the adress in the cover of the game. (I think it was RQ..;) ) They wrote to Milpitas....no answer...they wrote again, got an answer and found out about Drachenwald (Americans based in Europe). Now Sweden makes up over a third of the Kingdom.... What goes around comes around..;) Morgan// ....x-prince, x-king, x-cited..;) ! -- HP : Morgan Broman mabr at sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kroussea at mail.cc.trincoll.EDU (kroussea) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors <long> Date: 14 Dec 1994 20:27:46 -0500 Organization: The Internet It seems to me that i've posted this three or four times already but here goes: A glaring omission from this list is Katherine Kurtz! I quote from the About the Author page of my tenth printing paperback copy of _High Deryini_ (March 1983) inside back page, last paragraph: "Miss Kurtz is active in the Society for Creative Anachronism, an organization which attempts to recreate the middle ages and rennaissance through tournamentsm banquets, revels, and classes in medieval arts and sciences. As Bevin Fraser of Stirling in the SCA, she is an accomplished costumer, calligrapher and illuminator, herald, and expert on court protocol, as well as a student of medieval fighting forms (from the sidelines only; she bruises easily)." In addition to this, she and her husband, Scott McMillan were two of the six necessary paid members for Lough Devnaree, Drachenwald (Ireland)'s original application for incipiency. Seamus, could you please verify this? The last peice of information I have is that someone once told me that Katherine is a former Steward. I'm sure there are records (and oldtimers) who could verify this. Sorry for opening this thread again, but the AtA in the Camber books was the first place I heard about the Society. Casey ap Cennedd Casey Rousseau Bowman's Rest, Beyond the Mountain, East Trinity College, Hartford, CT <kroussea at mail.trincoll.edu> From: Jo_Grant.LOTUSINT.LOTUS at crd.lotus.COM Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: SCA Authors <Katherine Kurtz> Date: 16 Dec 1994 04:37:31 -0500 Organization: The Internet The following was forwarded on to my by Casey ap Cennedd: >In addition to this, she and her husband, Scott McMillan were >two of the six necessary paid members for Lough Devnaree, >Drachenwald (Ireland)'s original application for incipiency. >Seamus, could you please verify this? Countess Bevin and Scott have been an inspiration and help to us in Lough Devnaree (Ireland) from the very start back in 1986. They have not had time to be particularly active but they have been generous enough to let us use their house (mansion?) occasionally for events. (If you look at the sequel to Gone With the Wind they use her house as the set for the new Tara :-). Countess Bevin is the "oldest" peer in Drachenwald... Cheers Seamus Donn Jo Grant Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:43:20 -0500 From: Paul Mitchell <pmitchel at flash.net> To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG Subject: Re: ANST - group names Galen here! RAISYA at aol.com wrote: > If you're collecting group names for the Knowne World generally: > > Perilous Journey - Berlin, Germany named in the days that getting in and out > of the city WAS a perilous journey. It was a shire, I'm not sure what it is > these days. Actually, Perilous Journey went defunct a few years after I left there. The name came actually from one of Duke Merowald's maps of the Known World, which showed a shire in the far east of Drachenwald called "Perilous Journey". I thought it had to be Berlin, but when I got there, there was no shire in Berlin, and Drachenwald had never had a Shire of Perilous Journey. So I founded the shire in Berlin, using the name from the map; it was the only SCA branch behind the Iron Curtain. - Galen of Bristol Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:49:01 MST From: Paul Mitchell <pmitchel at flash.net> Subject: Re: ANST - Patents To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG CraigCC at aol.com wrote: > timden at lcc.net writes: > << So my questions are: > What is the difference in having a Royal Patent or not? > Why are we one of the very few (only?) Kingdoms that dont give them out? > Would it be in the Kingdom's best interest to give out Royal Patents to > those stepping down? > > Sir Timo Kalamanos >> > > I am very interested in discussion on this topic. > > HRH Alaric Well, my lord Prince, I offer the following as my first service to you: As we all know, the Royal Peerages are the ranks of Duke, Count, and Viscount, and their feminine equivalents. Shortly before I became Prince of Drachenwald (my Investiture was in January of 1984), the Board of Directors observed that the kingdoms and principalities, by long tradition, were granting patents of arms with the Royal Peerages, or to their Ladies of the Rose in some kingdoms. The Board issued a ruling, still in effect so far as I know, that patents of arms could not be granted with royal peerage titles unless the incoming ruler polled their patent-holding predecessors on whether the current/outgoing rulers met the requirements in _Corpora_ for patents of arms. For this reason, Kaylitha and I polled the four resident holders of Viscounty rank in Drachenwald on the question of whether Prince Alexander and Princess Katya should be given patents of arms. Alexander and Katya had not ruled the satisfaction of these four, and we were told unanimously they should not be granted patents of arms. And so their viscounty rank did not and today does not include patents of arms. In my opinion, following this counsel was the worst mistake I made as Prince of Drachenwald, perpetrating a terrible and lasting public injustice against two friends who certainly deserved better. Viscount Alexander and Viscountess Katya today are well-liked and participating members of our home Barony of Elfsea, as Your Highness knows. Six months down the road, and my successor (who was also one of my predecessors) consulted the other three and they agreed that I, too, had not ruled to their satisfaction, and so Kaylitha and I also did not receive patents of arms with our Viscounty rank. Viscountess Kaylitha today lives in Bryn Gwlad and is only peripherally involved with the SCA. I received a patent of arms with my knighthood. Granting patents of arms with royal peerage rank serves no positive purpose. It is solely a method to punish the outgoing rulers. I beg you to maintain the Ansteorran practice as it is. - Galen of Bristol From: "Wanda Pease" <wandap at hevanet.com> To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org> Subject: RE: [Sca-cooks] Authenticity Police: since we're castigating extremists anyway.. . Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:27:28 -0700 Elaine Koogler said: > The only other society-wide sumptuary restrictions are for hats...6 pearls for > barons, 15 (I think) for viscounts, crenelated for counts and strawberry > leaves for dukes. Err. Kiri, I believe we get our ideas for hats from Fox Davies. At any rate when I read it the "rule" was 6 pearls for a Baron and 8+ for a Viscount/ess. For a while it was the fashion in Drachenwald to put the number of pearls that equaled what number Prince or Princess you had been. Therefore the 9th Viscount/ess used 9 Pearls. Viscountess Regina Romsey (5th Princess, but with 8 pearls) <the end> Edited by Mark S. Harris Drach-hist-msg Page 5 of 5