Atlantia-hist-msg – 3/22/17

Histories and stories of the SCA kingdom of Atlantia.

NOTE: See also the files: Atlant-rapier-msg, SCA-hist1-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, child-stories-msg, SCA-authors-msg, placenames-msg, SCA-in-books-msg.

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From: hggerald at aol.com (Hggerald)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Assassinations (was Period poisons)
Date: 31 Aug 1994 02:04:02 -0400

salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) writes:
>If I might change the topic ever so slightly here... ;-)
>As long as we're talking about doing away with someone in a period manner,
>does anyone know *any* historical precedent for the oft overused fictional
>tactic of the assassin getting into the castle as an entertainer?

I don't know of any documented period occurences, but I do know that I was
assassinated while king of Atlantia by a juggler.  He slipped an alka
seltzer (plop plop fizz fizz) in my bowl of thick lentil soup during some
misdirection.  I awarded him arms for it.

-- Gyrth Oldcastle


From: Neil Maclay <nmaclay at mitre.org>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: History of SCA fighting
Date: 18 Nov 1994 17:43:21 GMT
Organization: Planning Systems, Inc. (PSI)

Shop Smart...Shop S-Mart!, 00pfpogue at bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>      I'd like to hear, through posts or email, what opinions all of you
on the
> bridge have on this subject, whether the persons named be Society-wide
> phenomenons or Kingdom legends.  All I ask is that you generall believe
that
> this person had something of an influence on the way your entire
kingdom or the
> Society itself fought.  I'm hoping to gain at least a general idea of
how our
> unique martial art came to evolve over the years.

In the East Kingdom I believe that Mistress Morgan Allandris (SP?) was
important in the early development of organized group tactics.  Also in
the East Sir Sigfried von Holstearn is famous as an individual fighter
and as a leader.

In Atlantia Sir Gyrth Oldcastle developed a distinct sword and shield
style that has proven to be very successful in tournament fighting over
the years.  He has also written a small book describing his style.  Does
anyone know if this book is still available and how to get it?  If so
please post.

Also in Atlantia, Sir Strykar, Sir Baschamp Paul, and Sir Steffan of
Wolfshaven developed the "three stooges style" of fighting.  This style
includes a highly developed style of two sword and of greatsword fighting
emphasizing footwork and circularity of movement.  These elements also
dominate the "stoogic" styles of sword and shield.

I would consider Sir Gyrth and Sir Strykar the two main theorists of
fighting in Atlantia though their are many others who teach fighters to
fight well.

Master Malcolm MacMalcolm, Marshal
( just say 'MMMMM...' )
mka Neil Maclay
Barony of Storvic - Atlantia
mka Wash. D.C. area


From: Tom Courtney <vis at shore.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Kingdom Annexation!
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:55:09 +0000

Morgoth wrote:
> What keeps Baronies from moving over to another Principality or Kingdom?

Only the will of the residents. It happens occasionally. Myrkwood moved from the 
East to Atlantia, where it eventually became Lochmere (I'm abreviating a lot of 
history here.)

Tom Courtney
aka Vissevald Selkirksson


From: greycat at tribeca.ios.com (Greycat Sharpclaw)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Kingdom Annexation!
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 00:42:53 GMT

Emrys sends greetings onto all upon this bridge:

There is an allegation that Morgoth <morgoth at nome.net> wrote:
>What is to keep a person from winning more than one crown tourney, one in
>say AnTir and another in the West, and then to combine the Two Crown, how
>far could he/she do it, and what keeps it from happening? and Why not?

Well, don't most kingdoms have residency requirements for their
monarchs?  Of course, moving after crown complicates things.

Also, in the East, the law would forbid a King/Queen or Crown
Prince/Princess from entering crown.  Do other Kingdoms have a
similar law?

Of course, there _was_ the incident that helped make the law.
King Michael of Bedford (of the East) entered then-principality's
Atlantia's first crown tourney, and won.  About a month after he
crowned Sigfried as his successor in the East, Sigfried crowned
him to make Atlantia independend.

>What keeps Baronies from moving over to another Principality or Kingdom?

Nothing overall... such shifts occur.

As to sudden or controversial shifts... The fact that a border
change needs Coporate approval.  And this would be hard to get if
either kingdom objected.

There have been many such shifts.  Those that occured during the
period I was getting the (later discontinued) board minutes
happened after the board got kingdom inputs.

Lord Emrys Cador               David M. Mann
Barony of Settmour Swamp       greycat at tribeca.ios.com
Eastrealm


Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:18:48 EST
From: WOLFMOMSCA at aol.com
Subject: Re: SC - Price of Feasts (was butter)

In a message dated 98-11-18 06:52:07 EST, Brenna wrote:
<< If I may be so bold, Wolfmother....where in Atlantia were you from? >>

Glad to see that Atlantia has developed into a camping kingdom.  For your
history file, I was the second seneschal of the Canton of Marinus, and Vice-
Governor of the Provincial City-State of Marinus.  I was also the first
Steward of the Marinus Cooks' Guild and wrote the original charter (which, by
the way, if there's a copy of that document running around up there, I'd love
to have a copy of it.   I lost a good deal of papers in recent floods here).
I autocratted Marinus' first event, and usually about three more a year for
the first six years or so of Marinus' existence.  In those days, we didn't
camp.  Most folks only had one camping experience a year, if they went to
Pennsic, or maybe a trip to some of the way southern cantons, which were few
and far between in those days.  No offense meant or taken.

Wolfmother
(whose official name is HL Dianna Wyndalan of Kidwelly, lotsa-letters  ;-)


From: "Bonne of Traquair" <oftraquair at hotmail.com>
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: holding doors
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:41:10 -0700

>I think it's a very nice thing...something that was made a custom in Atlantia
>several reigns ago by Stephan and Niobe (of Bellatrix).  I must admit that
>I did get a chuckle recently when a lady jumped up and escorted a gentleman 
>into TRM presence!
>
>Kiri

no, no,  it was custom before that at least in more southerly parts I am
familiar with.

Bonne


Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:56:03 -0400
From: Elaine Koogler <ekoogler at chesapeake.net>
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Subject: WAS Re: [Sca-cooks] feast now B&B length of service

In Atlantia, this was outlawed a number of years ago, when B&B's were
limited to 4 years in office.  Then a couple of years ago, this got
increased to 6 years.  In most groups, there is a repolling of the barony
and review by the Crowns every two years.  Phillip and I just agreed to a
request from our group that we "re-up" for another two years...this will
make 6 for us.  The thought here was that it would keep the groups more
active as there would be new people wearing the Coronets periodically.  We
had several Baronies that had reached a point where they weren't growing
either in numbers and/or in activity.  It was felt that this was due to
the fact that their B&B's had been in place for many, many years!

I don't know...I guess there are good and bad points on both sides.  On
occasion, this requirement causes problems because there isn't really
anyone to step in and take over.

Kiri


From: John Campbell <jcampbel at lynn.ci-n.com>
Organization: Campbell Industries
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Shinai vs. Ethics was Re: Light
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:20:20 GMT

Zebee Johnstone wrote: 
> Aren't you mixing up safety standards and accuracy requirements?
> 
> The "pre 17thC garb" is the only accuracy rule SCA wide.  I believe it's
> the only one in any kingdom law.

	Nope. Atlantia recently issued a royal decree forbidding visible
plastic on the field, for authenticity reasons.
-- 
AEthelwulf of Mountain Freehold
mka John Campbell


Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:51:55 -0500
From: Martinsen at ansteorra.org, Kerri"
	<kerrimart at cablespeed.com>" at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: Creative Supplimentation
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Pat <mordonna22 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I started in the SCA in Atenveldt (Greater Phoenix, AZ).
> There are three baronies, a College, and a Shire all
> within an hours drive, but the rest of the Kingdom is
> spread out over a huge area.  (There are nearly 5 million
> people in Arizona, but 3 million of them live in the GPA

Hum.  Interesting differences.  I started playing in
Northshield when it was part of the Middle.  In the 2
years I played there, I saw royalty once, at my first
event and I didn't know what to do. (Nothing like getting
called in front of the King during feast when you have no
silverware and are eating steak with your fingers).

Most events were camping, except in the winter.  A 3 hour
drive to an event was considered daytripable. Feasts were
standard (and cheep cheep cheep!) at camping events,
although they were usually small (50-60 was standard)
Leftovers were used for breakfast.  I wasn't paying
attention to what kind of food was being served at feasts,
as long as I didn't go away hungry I was happy.

The one thing that I miss in Atlantia is Crash space.  In
Northshield, you could always call the autocrat (or the
crash-o-crat) and they would have a list of people willing
to take folks in for the night.  Made day events possible.

Don't hear about that out in Atlantia. Maybe I'm just in
the wrong circles.

Kerri Martinsen
Hrosvitha von Celle
kerrimart at cablespeed.com


Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:09:31 -0400
From: rmhowe <mmagnusm at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [SCA-AS] Huzzah/Vivat?
To: Arts and Sciences in the SCA <artssciences at lists.gallowglass.org>

Jonathan E. Feinstein wrote:
<<<	Agreed. That all started in one particular Eastern court when the
court herald (I won't mention his name in case he's trying to live it down
<g>)himself got a bit silly and called for a cheer for the scroll and led
the people in "ooo, ahh, ohh." After that the populace kept it up on their
own and by the end of the court is was as nearly a permanent institution as
anything in the SCA is... >>>

Ahhh, Yes.   And Atlantia got heavy hitting from the East too and vastly
enlarged upon it.  Anyone here not wearing 12 or 14 gauge wrapped
around what is left of their brains is likely the canton idiot.   For us it began prevailing in Storvik [Washington] and the Tidewater baronies and spread south. My wife is still chuckling over a pair of T-Shirts for father and tiny son she saw after a recent event. "Just another Atlantian Thug" and "Future Atlantian Thug".  :)

One place where some British and SCA reenactors diverge is they believe in
squashable [their term] helmets to take the shock off their necks.  Now the
strange thing is they have apparently reverted back to a more aggressive attitude on fighting [with open helmets no less].    

If Atlantians [and their progenitors in the East] fought with the same force
with such helmets and dulled steel weapons] it would be lethal.  The weight
of their helmets absorbs much of the shock instead.  25 years ago a 'killing shot' in Atlantia could split a motorcycle helmet.  Don't know what they are made of now.  I remember during Women's Prison riot here in 1975 a half a concrete block to a riot helmet split it.  That guy was on my shift at Central Prison. It's not like he could have lost any brains anyway.  I imagine some Atlantians would just shake that off. Probably just yell "Light!".

Magnus


Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:40:57 -0500
From: "Elaine Koogler" <kiridono at gmail.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Sad news from Atlantia
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>,	"Order of
	the Laurel - Restricted Access" <sca-laurels at lists.ansteorra.org>

Good Friends, Gentle Cousins,
At this season of joy and peace, it grieves me to inform you of the passing
of Master Vuong Manh, Companion of the Order of the Pelican, Mandarin
Second Class of the Royal Court, Premier Companion of the Golden Dolphin,
Companion of Order of the Silver Crescent, Companion of the Lozulet.

Many of my earliest memories of the SCA include this gentle man, one who
always sought peace in all that he did.  He was one of the founding lights
of the Kingdom of Atlantia, having served as her first Chronicler as a
Principality...which is why our newsletter is just about the only thing that
doesn't have a sea theme...he edited the newsletter of the Barony of
Myrkewoode, the Acorn...and used the mailing permit for that to send out the
Principality newsletter...which of course had to have the same name!  When I
was Triton Principal Herald, he served as my "drop dead" deputy and actually
wound up serving for a few hours when one of our Kings suspended me from
office for the duration of his reign (it worked out to be about 12
hours...).  He breathed a great sigh of relief when the new King was crowned
and agreed to reinstate me!

Dick Eney was active in Science Fiction fandom as well.  I had heard of him
through my cousin, also very active, before I met him as Master Vuong  
Manh.

Though I had not seen much of him in recent times, I will miss knowing that
his gentle presence is nearby.

Kiri
   Atlantia


Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:22:03 -0500
From: "Elaine Koogler" <kiridono at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Sad news from Atlantia
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

> Kiri mentioned the passing of Master Vuong Manh and mentioned:
>
> <<< When I
> was Triton Principal Herald, he served as my "drop dead" deputy and actually
> wound up serving for a few hours when one of our Kings suspended me from
> office for the duration of his reign (it worked out to be about 12
> hours...).  He breathed a great sigh of relief when the new King was crowned
> and agreed to reinstate me! >>>
>
> So, what did you do that got you banished?
>
> Stefan

Well, truth be told, I've never quite figured that out.  Duke Michael seemed
to take a dislike to me before he ever really met me...and I guess I angered
him even more because I have this little thing about following the laws of
Atlantia and the SCA.  I managed to thwart his desires on several
occasions...not allowing him to close a Principality order and open the
Kingdom order with the same name...a violation of heraldic law, not passing
a set of arms that he designed for his "lady love" (or so she thought!)
because they violated most of the rules of period heraldry...etc., etc.
Michael of Bedford seems to have this idea that laws apply to everyone but
him.  He actually did try to banish me from the SCA but was told by the
entire Curia that only the Board of Directors could do that!  He then tried
each level of banishment/suspension until they finally agreed that he had
reached the one he could actually do...but, because he had to notify both me
and the Laurel King of Arms in writing...and the suspension didn't take
effect until 3 days after I received the notice, the suspension lasted about
12 hours...seems the Curia in question was held the last weekend of his
reign, the weekend before Coronation!  Funny how that worked out!

So here you go..the tale of how Kiri almost got banished from the SCA!

Kiri


To: [MR] New Atlantian CD
From: amy anderson thecyclopseye at yahoo.com 
Date: Mon Jul 16 13:09:58 PDT 2007

GREETINGS FAIR ATLANTIA!
(Please keep in mind that this information is subject to change.) 
  Paying homage to the bardic passions most prevalent in our great kingdom, Pennsic War welcomes the release of a new kingdom CD Pride of the Argent and Azure. Like "Fair Lady Atlantia," each included piece is an original composition written by one of our very own bards and is sung either by the artist or by proxy.

  Among those included is the winner of our Most Royal Majesties' Bardic War Challenge at Assessment. Lady Graciela Esperanza de Sevilla, as victor, will bear the honor of singing our troops onto the field at opening ceremonies at Pennsic (2007). For information on the competition past, visit this link: http://www.scamooselodge.com/PrideArgentAzure/ . 

  I have posted Lady Graciela's song (lyrics Pending) for all those planning to join the Atlantian processional at Opening Ceremonies and who are willing to raise their voices with her's for the pride of Atlantia. Lady Graciela's song will loop until you close the page or turn off your sound.  "Might and Fury" is the title of the piece.

  The cd, which will include Lady Graciela's newest war song, is to be released at Pennsic. It's creation in production and cost has been donated to the Kingdom, and all proceeds go to support the Kingdom travel fund, so if you are able, we heartily pray we may impose on your generosity towards that end. They make excellent entertainment, beautiful testament to the creativity many in our Kingdom own, and spectacular gifts!

  Again, the page link is http://www.scamooselodge.com/PrideArgentAzure/ .  For more information, visit the site or contact Lady Fennic (thecyclopseye at yahoo.com) or myself (sdrooger at blseamon.com).
   
  ~ AnF
your busy little RBs ;)


Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 18:24:29 -0400
From: Elaine Koogler <kiridono at gmail.com>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Tavern Arrangements WAS An Andalusian Lunch
	at Red Dragon

There was a time in Atlantia, or at least up in the area where I live that a
head cook was expected to front the cost of a feast themselves...and, get
this, if the feast lost money, eat the overage.  The same was true of the
autocrat!  Now that no longer happens.  And if it should ever start
happening again, then I'm afraid I would no longer cook feasts. So...you can
guess what my feelings are on this...walk away from it VERY QUICKLY!!  This
situation is sadly totally skewed from where it should be.

Kiri

<<< I don't get it... they want you to make lunch, but they don't want to
float it?  I think the short answer should be "No".
--
Antonia di Benedetto Calvo >>>


Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:05:52 -0500
From: "Terri Morgan" <online2much at cox.net>
To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>,	"Crazy Crack Monkies"
	<Atlantia_AnS at yahoogroups.com>,	<AtlantianLaurels at yahoogroups.com>,
	<AtlantianHeralds at yahoogroups.com>,	"Atlantian Pelicans"
	<AtlantianPelicans at yahoogroups.com>,	<IrgenTLA at yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Tines of the Trident \(Tines of the Trident\)"
	<SCA-atlantia-marinus at yahoogroups.com>, Tirydon at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MR] Atlantian Library at  KASF

Greetings to All!

Please spread the word that the Atlantian Library will be featured at
Kingdom Arts and Sciences, in the same manner as it was last year.

What is the library, you ask? Well! It is *wonderful* *fabulous*
*marvellous*

A-hem.

I mean, "The Atlantian Library is a sharing resource whereby members of the
Kingdom who have really cool books bring them to share with those whose home
libraries do not include those tomes."

It is a wonderful resource for researchers, and a great way for a careful
buyer to check out an expensive book before purchase. Each time we have set
up the library, the books that have been brought to share have been the type
to make a researcher, or beginning craftsman, have their hearts go pitty-pat
and their fingers reaching for the scanners. And even better, Lord Aiden of
Tir-Y-Don sets up an electronic resource area where you can scan & copy
pages that you would like to read later, at home. Bring a blank CD or thumb
drive and you won't even have to take notes! (Note paper and pencils are
available, however, if you are a Luddite like me.)

If you are looking for a particular book, I encourage you to ask about it
here, in the hopes that someone will have it and will bring it for you to
look at.

If you are interested in sharing your books, especially the ones not easily
found in Barnes & Noble or other 'standard' bookstores, you would earn the
gratitude of many... and it's always fun to listen to the squeals of people
when they are reading them.

To speed up the process in the morning and at close of day, it would be a
blessing if the book owner would pre-mark their books in this manner:

1- Using gift wrapping ribbon, circle the book by running the ribbon through
the middle of the book and back out along the binding, making the circle as
tight as possible without damaging the book. Tie it and clip off the ribbon.
(It would look like a string bookmark tied shut.)
2 - Write your name on a label and fold the label over a section of the
ribbon so it 'flaps' along the spine like a flag on a flag pole.
3 - Baroness Kaleeb figured out last year that marking " _[single number]_
of _[total books]" (for example, "1 of 24", , "5 of 24") on the label helped
her round up her books at the end of the day. Even a simple "____ books" on
each label will help us ensure that all of your books get back to you.

Remember: No baskets, backpacks, bags or other items large enough to conceal
a book will be allowed in the library. We have limited storage space for
your personal items at the door, so please plan accordingly. let us make
sure that the donators feel comfortable and safe leaving their precious
items there for us to use. Of course, food and drink will not be allowed
either, for the same reason.

Also - I will be recovering from surgery and would really, really love to
have some help. Especially in the 'technical resource' area (the computers
and scanners). If you can donate an hour or two of your time, it would be a
very big help.

in excited service,
Hrothny


Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:45:02 -0400
From: "David Chessler" <chessler at usa.net>
To: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>,	Atlantia maillist
	<atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [MR] "Blue Scarfs" and "Free Scholars"?

HRH Seonaid said:
<<< A couple of days ago I put out a call on this list for Blue Scarfs  
and Free Scholars who are able and willing to fight for the Roses of  
this Kingdom at the Golden Rose. >>>

Pardon me, but would please answer the curiosity of an Atlantia  
outsider? Who or what are these "Blue Scarfs" and "Free Scholars"?

Stefan
===========

It's the white scarf treaty. Blue scarves are "scholars" of the "academie
d'espee". Gold scarves are "free scholars." White scarfs are provosts. 

I still haven't fully restored my bookmarks but try this:

http://atlantia.sca.org/
http://rapier.atlantia.sca.org/

Academie d'Espee - Kingdom of Atlantia
http://www.mindspring.com/~aedan/

Academie d'Espee - Roster of Provosts
http://www.mindspring.com/~aedan/p-roster.htm

Atlantian Freescholars
http://freescholars.atlantia.sca.org/

I don't believe there is a formal list of the scholars. Most people get the
blue scarf when they authorize--most but not all.
Master Aedan says the list is "defunct"

The South Wing - Sacred Oaths and Related Text
http://www.mindspring.com/~aedan/south.htm

The West Wing - Atlantian Laws, Treaties and Rules
http://www.mindspring.com/~aedan/west.htm

http://www.mindspring.com/~aedan/treaty.htm

The Academie d'Espee  An Atlantian Order of Merit

Treaty of the White Scar
--
Davitt il Bigollo da Pisa
Erudit de l'Academie de Espee de Atlantia [Foulard Bleu]
Storvik (rapier)
Roxbury Mill (other things)


Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:53:49 -0400
From: Owen Townes <otownes at gmail.com>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] "Blue Scarfs" and "Free Scholars"?

Greetings Lord Stefan,

To expand on David's response (And, ultimately, Master Geoffrey will
be your best source for this information, since I'm mostly recounting
oral history at this point):
When rapier formed in Atlantia, the fencers and friends-of-fencers
marked themselves with a blue scarf.  When it was determined that
there should be some higher award for the best fencers, those so
awarded called themselves Free Scholars and marked themselves with a
gold or yellow scarf.

When Atlantia signed the White Scarf treaty, the Order of the White
Scarf was formed, and the White Scarves were given the rank of Provost
in the Atlantian Academie d'Espee (I'm not certain whether or not that
had formed previously).  The Academie serves as a guild of fencers,
based on the London Masters of Defence; membership is not required,
but tends to be the case.  The ranks, Scholar, Free Scholar, and
Provost, mark advancement within the Academie.

As in period, each rank is marked by the playing of a prize.
Your authorization bout for rapier is considered your Scholar's Prize,
after which you have the option to take the Scholar's Oath and wear a
blue scarf.

When three Provosts deem you worthy, you may be elevated to the rank
of Free Scholar.  Here, too, you will play a prize, against a
representative of the Provosts, all Free Scholars present, a
representative of the Scholars, and all others who would challenge
you.

When the King deems you ready for elevation to the Order of the White
Scarf, you play your White Scarf prize, challenged by all White
Scarves present, and representatives of the Free Scholars and
Scholars.

One of the end results (which was noted at Gulf Wars) is that most
Atlantian White Scarves are titled "Lord/Lady" or "Provost".  The
title "Don/Donna" is not used widely in Atlantia.

Again, Master Geoffrey Gamble is a far superior resource for the
history of rapier in Atlantia, and contacting him is always
worthwhile.

Yours,
Wistric Oftun (Free Scholar of the Academie d'Espee)


Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 12:03:47 -0400
From: Evan da Collaureo <evan at scadian.net>
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] "Blue Scarfs" and "Free Scholars"?

Scripsit Wistric:
<<< When rapier formed in Atlantia, the fencers and friends-of-fencers
marked themselves with a blue scarf.  When it was determined that
there should be some higher award for the best fencers, those so
awarded called themselves Free Scholars and marked themselves with a
gold or yellow scarf. >>>

That award was called l'Academie d'Espee. It was formed in the spring of 1993; the first members were actually inducted by Cuan and Aria at Spring University. To the best of my recollection, the organizational structure dates back to that point, though until Atlantia signed the White Scarf treaty (spring 1996), the name was reserved for the use of the Free Scholars.

Evan


Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:32:15 -0400
From: "Aedan Aylwyn" <aedan at mindspring.com>
To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [MR] "Blue Scarfs" and "Free Scholars"?

The original award was the "Order of l'Academie d'Espee"
(http://op.atlantia.sca.org/op_award.php?award_id=48).  I think the OP may
actually have the details wrong.  I was at the event and I thought it was up
in Storvik or Lochmere (ish) and during Steffan and Twila's reign.  I also
have the anniversary of the Academie listed as 20 Feb 1993 (which would also
put it in S&T's reign, not C&A).

The Academie structure was originally devised in '91 or '92 as rapier was
coming (back) into acceptance in Atlantia.  It was designed to accommodate
hoped for awards that did not exist at the time.  The blue scarf to show
support for rapier in Atlantia and the Academie structure both sprang up
about the same time, so for some they became synonymous but for others
(especially in southern Atlantia) the scarf was still seen as a separate
thing from Academie participation.  Anyone wearing a blue scarf was termed a
"Scholar" but some non-fighters who supported the concept of rapier also
wore them.

The structure was also designed to be easily adjustable for the (again hoped
for) day Atlantia decided to sign on the White Scarf Treaty
(http://www.mindspring.com/~aedan/treaty.htm#WS).

So when Steffan and Twila (IIRC and I'm seeking confirmation) created the A
d'E order (not to be confused with the guild-like structure), the trappings
of the yellow scarf and title of Free Scholar were used by the members of
this new order.  At this point, the blue scarf and scholar trappings became
used only for authorized rapier fighters and not for non-fighters that
supported the concept.

Approximately 3 years later, when Galmr and Katharina were stepping up,
Atlantia signed the WS treaty.  At that time, the original Academie order
was closed and all existing members were grandfathered into the new Order of
the White Scarf with a matching change in scarf color.  The title "Free
Scholar" was dropped and "Provost" was now used.  The permission for
heraldic use of "Academie d'Espee" was given by the Kingdom to Nathanial
Sharpe (one of the original 4) who then registered it and the badge and then
gave blanket permission for others to use it for the "guild" structure we
have today.

The cleverness of the original planners was seen when we then took the now
available yellow scarf and Free Scholar trappings and used them for a
mid-level guild position (similar to cadets in other Kingdoms but with our
own Atlantia twists like needing 3 sponsors rather than being a one-on-one
personal relationship).  I believe Mistress Isobel was the first FS to be
made and it was on that same day.

And now you know probably more than you wanted...

Aedan

PS - Feel free to come see me at any event for more stories about how this
all started.  I'll be at Defending the Gate.


Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:51:07 -0400
From: "Aedan Aylwyn" <aedan at mindspring.com>
To: <atlantianrapiernet at yahoogroups.com>,	<atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [MR] "Blue Scarfs" and "Free Scholars"?

And in case anyone is curious about the scarf colors and design...

The blue and yellow colors were pulled from the colors in Atlantia's arms.
White was left out at first because of the WS treat being a long term, hoped
for goal.  Green was also an option but didn't get used.

During the 12th Night in Black Diamond (Jan '96), Cuan and Brigit were on
the throne and discussing the signing of the WS treaty.  A strong concern
was that we maintain our strong focus on Atlantia. As I like to say, we are
Atlantians that happen to fight rapier, not rapier fighters that happen to
live in Atlantia. To that end, we were looking at variations on the plain
white scarf to use for our soon to be order.

Isobel came up with a number of design suggestions.  In a boisterous closed
door meeting in the hotel with Cuan, we settled on using the blue pale and
unicornate seahorse on our white scarf.  We were the first kingdom to
distinguish by law (as opposed to early signatories that sometimes would add
personal arms or Kingdom colored trim but only by not always followed
custom).

Aedan

PS That was the infamous 12th Night that became 13th Night, 14th Night and
even 15th Night for some, where we got snowed in and the interstates were
closed for days.


Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:36:26 -0400
From: "Aedan Aylwyn" <aedan at mindspring.com>
To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [MR] "Blue Scarfs" and "Free Scholars"?

By "I think the OP may actually have the details wrong", I meant Order of
Precedence and not "original poster".  I truly think that the precedence
listing is wrong and it was Steffan and Twila that created the order and
inducted the first 4 members somewhere in northern VA/MD at the inaugural
event in Feb.  I was there and I have some vague interest in this ;-), so I
don't blame anyone for just going by what they see listed in the OP.

I've asked the original members about their recollections and possible proof
and we'll see about fixing the OP if necessary.

Aedan


From: Michael Houghton <herveus at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MR] "Blue Scarfs" and "Free Scholars"?
To: Aedan Aylwyn <aedan at mindspring.com>

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Aedan Aylwyn <aedan at mindspring.com> wrote:
[snip fascinating details]

<<< Approximately 3 years later, when Galmr and Katharina were stepping up,
Atlantia signed the WS treaty. At that time, the original Academie order
was closed and all existing members were grandfathered into the new Order of
the White Scarf with a matching change in scarf color. The title "Free
Scholar" was dropped and "Provost" was now used. The permission for
heraldic use of "Academie d'Espee" was given by the Kingdom to Nathanial
Sharpe (one of the original 4) who then registered it and the badge and then
gave blanket permission for others to use it for the "guild" structure we
have today. >>>

Atlantia transferred the badge to Nathaniel, but "Academie d'Espee" remains
registered to Atlantia and is now associated with the badge used by White
Scarves in Atlantia (in July 2007). At least, that is what Morsulus knows.

Herveus
--
Michael Houghton?? | Herveus d'Ormonde


From: Kevin Baun <kevin.baun at gmail.com>
Date: March 24, 2011 6:52:58 AM CDT
To: Stefan li Rous <stefanlirous at austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [MR] "Blue Scarfs" and "Free Scholars"?

Hello Stefan,

Perhaps a more useful reference for the scarves is that blue scarves (scholars) are members of the Kingdom fencing school. The are usually authorized fighters and have taken an oath to 'not be a goob' and uphold the basic tenants of awesomeness for which Atlantia strives. 
Gold scarves (free scholars) are similar to cadets, but instead of 1 Don it takes 3 & we all look after them.
Provosts of the Academie are Companions of the Order of the White Scarf. Atlantia is a signatory of the White Scarf treaty, we just chose to style ourselves as Provosts instead of Dons because it was more in line with the Academie ideal.

The links that Mr. Chessler provided with give you some of the gory detail background if you are interested.

-Melchior zum grauen Wolf, Provost

On Mar 24, 2011, at 1:02 AM, Stefan li Rous wrote:
HRH Seonaid said:
<<< A couple of days ago I put out a call on this list for Blue Scarfs and Free Scholars who are able and willing to fight for the Roses of this Kingdom at the Golden Rose. >>>

Pardon me, but would please answer the curiosity of an Atlantia outsider? Who or what are these "Blue Scarfs" and "Free Scholars"?

Stefan

Of course if these scholars are truly free, I do have a number of areas of SCA history and medieval life and history I'd love to have researched and written up for others to enjoy in the Florilegium. :-)
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
  Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous at austin.rr.com


Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lady Alexandra Scott <xndra_scott at yahoo.com>
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org, brnsacstone at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MR] DEBUT - Atlantia's Dance Authorization Card

Greetings unto the Kingdom of Atlantia from Alexandra Scott de Northumberland ~

The debut of the new Dance Authorization Card occurred this past weekend at 
Sacred Stone's Baronial Birthday and Investiture.  We appreciate the support of 
His Majesty, Michael of Bedford for leading by example in the courtly art of 
dance.  His Majesty was issued the first card.

Thank you to Mistress Jeanmaire, Kingdom Minister of Art and Sciences, and Baron 
Stefan, L'Academie Atlantienne de la Danse for the support and encouragement as 
we created this program.  Thank you to Lady Eilon for sharing the Trimarian 
history with me.  Thank you to the Barony of Sacred Stone, my 
home, for their support of dance through Dance Dessert Revels, events and 
participation.  Thank you to Milady Elizabeth Sabine de Northumberland being my 
support, assistant instructor and backup for all the dance events to which we 
commit.

As a separate thanks . . . here's to the musicians who play!  Vivant!

For more information about the card, please visit 
http://dance.atlantia.sca.org/card.php.

Alexandra
_________________________________
Alexandra Scott de Northumberland
Haus Von Rothenburg
Aire Faucon, Sacred Stone, ATLANTIA


Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 07:43:54 -0400
From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
To: Atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] Virginia Renfaire Report

Noble friends in Central Virginia,

Lady Sarah and I took in the Virginia Renfaire at their opening on 
Saturday at the Lake Anna Winery near Spottsylvania. It was an excellent 
day for a faire, with temperatures in the low 70s (thankfully not too 
hot for a great kilt!). As usual, the Faire was excellent, with many 
things to do an see. Sadly, there was no jousting this day, but it may 
be held on other days. Instead we enjoyed watching the greyhounds 
course, and later met some of these beautiful and gentle dogs in their 
tent. We also sat in on a historical lecture/demonstration on archery, 
and then participated in a small shoot-off tournament (yours truly won 
second place, and received a nice little throwing axe as a prize).

The many costumed staff were excellently attired, especially Queen 
Elizabeth and her attendants, who seem to visit the little village of 
Staffordshire every year. The local militia offered a great display of 
arms. As always, there was an underlying story being acted out by 
several principals during the day, though this is hard to follow unless 
you choose to shadow them as they wander the faire, and they spit up 
frequently. As usual, there were numerous stage shows featuring comedy, 
music, and magic. My favorites, The Mad Mechanicals, butchered ROMEO AND 
JULIETTE, as only they can do. The MM shows always feature lots of 
audience participation, miscast characters, and great humor.

Other activities and demonstrations included blacksmithing, weaving, 
live alpacas (yeah, I know -- not period, but really cute), and some 
participatory games. The Renfaire also offers some special activities 
for just children, including a maypole and a supervised play area.

There were the usual food vendors, selling typical faire food, but a new 
addition was a crepe vendor (yummy!) with several varieties. The tavern 
was open, serving adult beverages including an excellent stout. The 
hosts, the Lake Anna Winery, had a small tasting room within the faire 
area, and offered free samples of their wares. Mostly, we shopped, and 
shopped, and shopped some more. There were perhaps 50 vendors, selling 
leather goods, clothing, hats, soaps and scents, period games, and sundries.

The Virginia Renfaire runs every Saturday and Sunday through 5 June. See 
http://www.varf.org/ for times and directions . This is a nicely run 
faire, not so large as to be too tiring (especially with children), and 
well worth the $9 admission. Scadians will particularly enjoy the day in 
garb (doesn't have to be strictly Elizabethan), and will have an 
opportunity to load up on hard to find clothes and craft items.

Lord Mungo Napier


Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:47:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Kiefert <lanhamlaw at att.net>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] daily kingdom history fact

The Kingdom newsletter is called the Acorn, not sharing a nautical theme with 
the rest of the kingdom?s awards and titles.  Before there was an Atlantia, 
there was a barony in the East kingdom called Myrkwood, the territory of which 
originally included Pennsylvania, Delaware and all of Atlantia. The branch 
device was an oak tree and no laurel wreath, predating that requirement.  Vuong 
Manh put out an unofficial newsletter for SCA, Markland, and kindred folk in 
the barony named the Acorn, and it continued to be the de facto newsletter for 
the mid-Atlantic area as it became a region of the East, then a principality and 
a kingdom, at which time it became an official SCA publication as the kingdom 
newletter. 

Stefan of Cambion
Kingdom Historian


Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:22:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Kiefert <lanhamlaw at att.net>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] daily kingdom history fact 2

Michael of Bedford, the current King, was also the first King of Atlantia, being 
invested May 2, 1981.  He has served as King 9 times, the first 2 with Carissa 
of Burgundy as Queen and 7 with Seonaid ni Fhionn as Queen.  He had previously 
served as King of the East Kingdom and Prince of Atlantia.

Stefan of Cambion
Kingdom Historian


Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:29:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Kiefert <lanhamlaw at att.net>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] daily kingdom history fact 4

Which is the oldest barony in the kingdom - depends on how you define it.  The 
Order of Precedence lists them by the date of investiture of the first 
baron/baroness, which makes Windmasters Hill the oldest at February 19, 1977.  

The Washington, D.C. area consists of 3 jurisdictions, Maryland, D.C., and 
Virginia, and in the 70s the SCA did not allow groups to cross state lines, so 
there was a separate shire for each part (Seagate, Torhvassir, and Aster).   
However, the SCA at that time allowed something called a charter  barony, which 
consisted of those members who signed up to be in it, so the three groups 
combined into the Barony of Storvik.  Because a charter barony has no land, you 
cannot invest a baron/baroness.   On October 9, 1976, Ysabeau Cameron of Lochiel 
was created a court baroness so she could be the first Baroness of Storvik.  
They operated as a barony, hosted events and granted awards.  That is why some 
of the baronial awards predate her investiture date of September 15, 1979 in the 
OP, when the SCA allowed cross-border groups and she could be invested as a 
landed baroness, 

Stefan of Cambion
Kingdom Historian


Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:39:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Kiefert <lanhamlaw at att.net>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] daily kingdom history fact 5

Atlantia has not always been a kingdom.  

By 1976, the East Kingdom was seen as too big geographically and 
administratively, so it was divided into Northern and Southern regions with a 
deputy kingdom seneschal for each.  William de Montegilt was the southern one 
covering the current kingdom plus West Virginia.  It was soon decided that a 
principality for the southern area would be a better governing mechanism and it 
was approved by the Board of Directors, with the first coronet tourney being 
held November 20, 1976.  Atlantia officially came into being as a principality 
within the East Kingdom on April 29, 1977 with the coronation of Alaric and 
Yseult as first Prince and Princess.  The SCA continued to grow rapidly, with 
the East going from 39 groups to 69 during1977-1979.  By 1979 the East kingdom 
curia was discussing the framework for the future split. There were 7 more pairs 
of Prince and Princess until May 2, 1981, when Atlantia became an independent 
kingdom with the coronation of Michael and Carissa as the first King and Queen.

Stefan of Cambion
Kingdom Historian


Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:27:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Kiefert <lanhamlaw at att.net>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] daily kingdom history fact 8

During the early years of Storvik, William de Montegilt used the Honeywell Mark 
III computer at his job at GE to do the newsletter, mailings, lists, laws, etc.  
They bought a membership for Brother Marcus Tercius and named him/it the 
Chronicler.  Marcus was doing such a good job at it that he was proposed for an 
Award of Arms.  The King was tipped off before it got to calling into court.

Stefan of Cambion
Kingdom Historian


Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:53:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Kiefert <lanhamlaw at att.net>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] daily kingdom history fact 9

In 1976, the Kingdom of Atenveldt, which is now just Arizona, used to stretch 
all the way to Georgia.  When Atlantia was being formed the eastern part of Atenveldt was the Principality of Meridies.  At our first coronet tourney in November 1976, a letter was read that had been received by the Seneschal of Windmasters Hill, informing them that the King of Atenveldt was laying claim to North and South Carolina.  South Carolina had no active groups then.  The Southwind (Aten newsletter) was mailed to members in North Carolina in 1976.  A polling was held in Windmasters Hill to affirm their desire to be part of Atlantia.  Their plan did not work; in fact, the shire of Border Vale Keep in Georgia later left Meridies and joined Atlantia.

Stefan of Cambion
Kingdom Historian


Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 14:47:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Kiefert <lanhamlaw at att.net>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] daily kingdom history fact 11

Sacred Stone started out as the shire of Emanon

In the 70s and 80s event checks were sometimes made payable directly to the 
autocrat

The first coronet tourney had a Middle Earth theme.

Stefan of Cambion
Kingdom Historian


Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Kiefert <lanhamlaw at att.net>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] kingdom history fact 12

The Norfolk/Hampton Roads area of Virginia has been through several changes.  
Tir-y-don was first in 1975.  Along with Isenfir and Caer Mear, these three were 
cantons of the shire of Stonewall stretching across Virginia in 1976.   
Stonewall discussed being a barony but instead soon dissolved and the three 
became independent groups.  Partly for logistical reasons, Marinus formed on one 
side of the James River with Tir-y-don remaining on the other.  The two groups 
were cantons of the city-state of Dinas Moryn.  It had a mayor (later governor) 
instead of a seneschal.  When Tir-y-don became a barony Marinus retained the 
designation of city-state.

Dinas Moryn had a fighting unit called the Shield Wall of Dinas Moryn.  Each 
fighter had a shield painted with a section of a castle wall, so when they lined 
up the shields looked like a wall.     

Sometime after Stonewall dissolved Tir-y-don, Marinus,  Isenfir and Caer Mear 
formed a joint fighting unit for Pennsic called the Stonewall brigade, with a 
banner having all 4 devices on it and blue and gray baldrics (trimmed in white 
for knights and red for squires).

Stefan of Cambion
Kingdom Historian


Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:12:51 -0400
From: Randy Dees <randy at deesfamily.com>
To: announce at atlantia.sca.org, atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [MR] Potential move for Atlantian Royal at Pennsic War

Copied from Glynis' facebook posting:  She wrote about the same thing that
I would have, but got it done while the Royals and I were still on the road
returning from AEthelmearc War Practice.

This just in: Atlantia has been offered the opportunity to move Atlantian
Royal away from it's traditional spot next to the highway to N40. This is
not a decision Their Majesties wish to make without consulting Their
populace, and They are seeking feedback from Atlantia about the decision.
The encampment has the distinct advantage of being not next to I79, as well
as being in an area near where at least 6 groups of Atlantians camp,
including Dun Carraig, Highland Foorde, Stierbach, Windmaster's Hill, Black
Diamond, and Ebonwoulfe. If you have useful input, or good reasons why this
is a bad idea (true reasons, not just resistance to change), please contact
Their Majesties at trm at atlantia.sca.org. They must sign the treaty by June
1, so time is of the essence.

Very few Atlantians actually camp in Atlantian Royal, for various reasons.
The current location is next to I-79, and is constantly saluted by traffic
going past in the form of horns and air brakes, making it difficult to have
a conversation, much less hold court or other social activities. Few
Atlantian groups (whether Baronial, Shire, or Household/Individuals) seem
to camp near the current Atlantian Royal site, but Atlantian Royal is
vastly underused. It is believed that a change in location would help to
make the encampment more appealing to Atlantia's denizens.

Their Majesties welcome commentary and opinions.  Most that They have
gotten thus far have been very positive.  They will be making Their
decision sometime shortly after Ruby Joust.  You can reach Them directly by
email (trm at atlantia.sca.org), by phone (704) 266-0887, or in person at Ruby
Joust.  Please feel free to cross-post this to other lists

The main question that has been answered already:

N40 is a new block, where RV camping used to be.  We'd be across from Dun
Carraig and kitty-corner from the Shadow Clans castle.  There's nobody that
we would have to displace in order to move the encampment.

-Tal
-- 
Talorgen Hersir,  OP   ||      Randy Dees
Clan Roanwoulfe        ||     (704) 618-0887

Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 19:46:36 -0500
From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
To: Atlantia maillist <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [MR] The Crowning of the King

<<< This video has been noted on Facebook, but I've not seen anything here.
Atlantian Kings from the beginning of the Kingdom to now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYwOvjfdWS4
-- 
Rorik Fredericsson >>>

Nicely done. I was expecting simply one coronation after the other, with perhaps the backgrounds and people changing. This was a much nicer 
montage of the Crown at events and such.

I did note what seems to be a series of different coronets through time.

Stefan
PS: Just how many times HAS Michael of Bedford sat on the Atlantian throne?


Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:09:03 -0400
From: "Logan" <Logan at ebonwoulfe.com>
To: "'Atlantia maillist'" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [MR] The Crowning of the King

michael has reigned 9 times in atlantia and once in the east (when we were part of the east).

Logan


Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:19:08 -0400
From: MyLinda Butterworth <totallystories at gmail.com>
To: Atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Crowning of the King

The video ?Crowning of the King? was a bardic project I created to show a pictorial history of the crowns of Atlantia. I collected photos of as many of their Majesties as I could find and added music. If you have not seen it you can find it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYwOvjfdWS4

I hope my gathering of Atlantia?s history will be enjoyed by many. Any
photos of better quality that people would like to submit with names would be appreciated, I know that there are several crowns missing in my project.

Lady Scholastica Joycors
Royal Bard of Atlantia
aka MyLinda Butterworth

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