Atlantia-hist-msg - 9/23/07 ਀ഊHistories of the SCA kingdom of Atlantia. ਀ഊNOTE: See also the files: Atlant-rapier-msg, SCA-hist1-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, child-stories-msg, SCA-authors-msg, placenames-msg, SCA-in-books-msg. ਀ഊ************************************************************************ ਀一伀吀䤀䌀䔀 ⴀഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 愀 挀漀洀洀漀渀 琀栀攀洀攀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 洀礀 爀攀愀搀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 瘀愀爀椀漀甀猀 挀漀洀瀀甀琀攀爀 渀攀琀眀漀爀欀猀⸀ 匀漀洀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 搀愀琀攀 戀愀挀欀 琀漀 ㄀㤀㠀㤀Ⰰ 猀漀洀攀 洀愀礀 戀攀 愀猀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 愀猀 礀攀猀琀攀爀搀愀礀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀椀猀 昀椀氀攀 椀猀 瀀愀爀琀 漀昀 愀 挀漀氀氀攀挀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 昀椀氀攀猀 挀愀氀氀攀搀 匀琀攀昀愀渀✀猀 䘀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀ 吀栀攀猀攀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀爀攀 愀瘀愀椀氀愀戀氀攀 漀渀 琀栀攀 䤀渀琀攀爀渀攀琀 愀琀㨀 栀琀琀瀀㨀⼀⼀眀眀眀⸀昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ ਀䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀漀渀攀 愀 氀椀洀椀琀攀搀 愀洀漀甀渀琀 漀昀 攀搀椀琀椀渀最⸀ 䴀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 琀漀 搀漀 眀椀琀栀 猀攀瀀愀爀愀琀攀 琀漀瀀椀挀猀 眀攀爀攀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 猀瀀氀椀琀 椀渀琀漀 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀琀 昀椀氀攀猀 愀渀搀 猀漀洀攀琀椀洀攀猀 攀砀琀爀愀渀攀漀甀猀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 眀愀猀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀⸀ 䘀漀爀 椀渀猀琀愀渀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 䤀䐀猀 眀攀爀攀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀搀 琀漀 猀愀瘀攀 猀瀀愀挀攀 愀渀搀 爀攀洀漀瘀攀 挀氀甀琀琀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀攀 挀漀洀洀攀渀琀猀 洀愀搀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 愀爀攀 渀漀琀 渀攀挀攀猀猀愀爀椀氀礀 洀礀 瘀椀攀眀瀀漀椀渀琀猀⸀ 䤀 洀愀欀攀 渀漀 挀氀愀椀洀猀 愀猀 琀漀 琀栀攀 愀挀挀甀爀愀挀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 最椀瘀攀渀 戀礀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 愀甀琀栀漀爀猀⸀ഊ ਀倀氀攀愀猀攀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀攀 琀椀洀攀 愀渀搀 攀昀昀漀爀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀漀猀攀 眀栀漀 栀愀瘀攀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀⸀ 吀栀攀 挀漀瀀礀爀椀最栀琀 猀琀愀琀甀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀 椀猀 甀渀挀氀攀愀爀 愀琀 琀栀椀猀 琀椀洀攀⸀ 䤀昀 椀渀昀漀爀洀愀琀椀漀渀 椀猀 瀀甀戀氀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀猀攀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀猀Ⰰ 瀀氀攀愀猀攀 最椀瘀攀 挀爀攀搀椀琀 琀漀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀琀漀爀⠀猀⤀⸀ഊ ਀吀栀愀渀欀 礀漀甀Ⰰഊ Mark S. Harris AKA: THLord Stefan li Rous ਀                                          匀琀攀昀愀渀 愀琀 昀氀漀爀椀氀攀最椀甀洀⸀漀爀最ഊ************************************************************************ ਀ഊFrom: hggerald at aol.com (Hggerald) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Period Assassinations (was Period poisons) ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㌀㄀ 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 　㈀㨀　㐀㨀　㈀ ⴀ　㐀　　ഊ ਀猀愀氀氀攀礀 愀琀 渀椀欀琀漀眀⸀挀愀渀椀猀椀甀猀⸀攀搀甀 ⠀䐀愀瘀椀搀 匀愀氀氀攀礀⤀ 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀ഊ>If I might change the topic ever so slightly here... ;-) ਀㸀䄀猀 氀漀渀最 愀猀 眀攀✀爀攀 琀愀氀欀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 搀漀椀渀最 愀眀愀礀 眀椀琀栀 猀漀洀攀漀渀攀 椀渀 愀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 洀愀渀渀攀爀Ⰰഊ>does anyone know *any* historical precedent for the oft overused fictional ਀㸀琀愀挀琀椀挀 漀昀 琀栀攀 愀猀猀愀猀猀椀渀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 琀栀攀 挀愀猀琀氀攀 愀猀 愀渀 攀渀琀攀爀琀愀椀渀攀爀㼀ഊ ਀䤀 搀漀渀✀琀 欀渀漀眀 漀昀 愀渀礀 搀漀挀甀洀攀渀琀攀搀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀 漀挀挀甀爀攀渀挀攀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 䤀 搀漀 欀渀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 眀愀猀ഊassassinated while king of Atlantia by a juggler. He slipped an alka ਀猀攀氀琀稀攀爀 ⠀瀀氀漀瀀 瀀氀漀瀀 昀椀稀稀 昀椀稀稀⤀ 椀渀 洀礀 戀漀眀氀 漀昀 琀栀椀挀欀 氀攀渀琀椀氀 猀漀甀瀀 搀甀爀椀渀最 猀漀洀攀ഊmisdirection. I awarded him arms for it. ਀ⴀⴀ 䜀礀爀琀栀 伀氀搀挀愀猀琀氀攀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Neil Maclay ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: History of SCA fighting ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 ㄀㠀 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㐀 ㄀㜀㨀㐀㌀㨀㈀㄀ 䜀䴀吀ഊOrganization: Planning Systems, Inc. (PSI) ਀ഊShop Smart...Shop S-Mart!, 00pfpogue at bsuvc.bsu.edu writes: ਀㸀      䤀✀搀 氀椀欀攀 琀漀 栀攀愀爀Ⰰ 琀栀爀漀甀最栀 瀀漀猀琀猀 漀爀 攀洀愀椀氀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀猀 愀氀氀 漀昀 礀漀甀ഊon the ਀㸀 戀爀椀搀最攀 栀愀瘀攀 漀渀 琀栀椀猀 猀甀戀樀攀挀琀Ⰰ 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 琀栀攀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀猀 渀愀洀攀搀 戀攀 匀漀挀椀攀琀礀ⴀ眀椀搀攀ഊ> phenomenons or Kingdom legends. All I ask is that you generall believe ਀琀栀愀琀ഊ> this person had something of an influence on the way your entire ਀欀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀爀 琀栀攀ഊ> Society itself fought. I'm hoping to gain at least a general idea of ਀栀漀眀 漀甀爀ഊ> unique martial art came to evolve over the years. ਀㸀 ഊIn the East Kingdom I believe that Mistress Morgan Allandris (SP?) was ਀椀洀瀀漀爀琀愀渀琀 椀渀 琀栀攀 攀愀爀氀礀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀洀攀渀琀 漀昀 漀爀最愀渀椀稀攀搀 最爀漀甀瀀 琀愀挀琀椀挀猀⸀  䄀氀猀漀 椀渀ഊthe East Sir Sigfried von Holstearn is famous as an individual fighter ਀愀渀搀 愀猀 愀 氀攀愀搀攀爀⸀ഊ ਀䤀渀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀 匀椀爀 䜀礀爀琀栀 伀氀搀挀愀猀琀氀攀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀 愀 搀椀猀琀椀渀挀琀 猀眀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 猀栀椀攀氀搀ഊstyle that has proven to be very successful in tournament fighting over ਀琀栀攀 礀攀愀爀猀⸀  䠀攀 栀愀猀 愀氀猀漀 眀爀椀琀琀攀渀 愀 猀洀愀氀氀 戀漀漀欀 搀攀猀挀爀椀戀椀渀最 栀椀猀 猀琀礀氀攀⸀  䐀漀攀猀ഊanyone know if this book is still available and how to get it? If so ਀瀀氀攀愀猀攀 瀀漀猀琀⸀ഊ ਀䄀氀猀漀 椀渀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀Ⰰ 匀椀爀 匀琀爀礀欀愀爀Ⰰ 匀椀爀 䈀愀猀挀栀愀洀瀀 倀愀甀氀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 匀椀爀 匀琀攀昀昀愀渀 漀昀ഊWolfshaven developed the "three stooges style" of fighting. This style ਀椀渀挀氀甀搀攀猀 愀 栀椀最栀氀礀 搀攀瘀攀氀漀瀀攀搀 猀琀礀氀攀 漀昀 琀眀漀 猀眀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 漀昀 最爀攀愀琀猀眀漀爀搀 昀椀最栀琀椀渀最ഊemphasizing footwork and circularity of movement. These elements also ਀搀漀洀椀渀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 ∀猀琀漀漀最椀挀∀ 猀琀礀氀攀猀 漀昀 猀眀漀爀搀 愀渀搀 猀栀椀攀氀搀⸀ഊ ਀䤀 眀漀甀氀搀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀 匀椀爀 䜀礀爀琀栀 愀渀搀 匀椀爀 匀琀爀礀欀愀爀 琀栀攀 琀眀漀 洀愀椀渀 琀栀攀漀爀椀猀琀猀 漀昀ഊfighting in Atlantia though their are many others who teach fighters to ਀昀椀最栀琀 眀攀氀氀⸀ഊ/ ਀䴀愀猀琀攀爀 䴀愀氀挀漀氀洀 䴀愀挀䴀愀氀挀漀氀洀Ⰰ 䴀愀爀猀栀愀氀ഊ( just say 'MMMMM...' ) ਀洀欀愀 一攀椀氀 䴀愀挀氀愀礀ഊBarony of Storvic - Atlantia ਀洀欀愀 圀愀猀栀⸀ 䐀⸀䌀⸀ 愀爀攀愀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: Tom Courtney ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Kingdom Annexation! ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㌀㄀ 䄀甀最 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 ㄀㜀㨀㔀㔀㨀　㤀 ⬀　　　　ഊ ਀䴀漀爀最漀琀栀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ> What keeps Baronies from moving over to another Principality or Kingdom? ਀ഊOnly the will of the residents. It happens occasionally. Myrkwood moved from the ਀䔀愀猀琀 琀漀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀Ⰰ 眀栀攀爀攀 椀琀 攀瘀攀渀琀甀愀氀氀礀 戀攀挀愀洀攀 䰀漀挀栀洀攀爀攀 ⠀䤀✀洀 愀戀爀攀瘀椀愀琀椀渀最 愀 氀漀琀 漀昀 ഊhistory here.) ਀ഊTom Courtney ਀愀欀愀 嘀椀猀猀攀瘀愀氀搀 匀攀氀欀椀爀欀猀猀漀渀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: greycat at tribeca.ios.com (Greycat Sharpclaw) ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Kingdom Annexation! ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀甀渀Ⰰ 　㄀ 匀攀瀀 ㄀㤀㤀㘀 　　㨀㐀㈀㨀㔀㌀ 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀䔀洀爀礀猀 猀攀渀搀猀 最爀攀攀琀椀渀最猀 漀渀琀漀 愀氀氀 甀瀀漀渀 琀栀椀猀 戀爀椀搀最攀㨀ഊ ਀吀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀渀 愀氀氀攀最愀琀椀漀渀 琀栀愀琀 䴀漀爀最漀琀栀 㰀洀漀爀最漀琀栀 愀琀 渀漀洀攀⸀渀攀琀㸀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ ਀㸀圀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀漀 欀攀攀瀀 愀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀 昀爀漀洀 眀椀渀渀椀渀最 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 漀渀攀 挀爀漀眀渀 琀漀甀爀渀攀礀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 椀渀ഊ>say AnTir and another in the West, and then to combine the Two Crown, how ਀㸀昀愀爀 挀漀甀氀搀 栀攀⼀猀栀攀 搀漀 椀琀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 眀栀愀琀 欀攀攀瀀猀 椀琀 昀爀漀洀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀椀渀最㼀 愀渀搀 圀栀礀 渀漀琀㼀ഊ ਀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 搀漀渀✀琀 洀漀猀琀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 栀愀瘀攀 爀攀猀椀搀攀渀挀礀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀猀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀椀爀ഊmonarchs? Of course, moving after crown complicates things. ਀ഊAlso, in the East, the law would forbid a King/Queen or Crown ਀倀爀椀渀挀攀⼀倀爀椀渀挀攀猀猀 昀爀漀洀 攀渀琀攀爀椀渀最 挀爀漀眀渀⸀  䐀漀 漀琀栀攀爀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀猀 栀愀瘀攀 愀ഊsimilar law? ਀ഊOf course, there _was_ the incident that helped make the law. ਀䬀椀渀最 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 漀昀 䈀攀搀昀漀爀搀 ⠀漀昀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀⤀ 攀渀琀攀爀攀搀 琀栀攀渀ⴀ瀀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀椀琀礀✀猀ഊAtlantia's first crown tourney, and won. About a month after he ਀挀爀漀眀渀攀搀 匀椀最昀爀椀攀搀 愀猀 栀椀猀 猀甀挀挀攀猀猀漀爀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䔀愀猀琀Ⰰ 匀椀最昀爀椀攀搀 挀爀漀眀渀攀搀ഊhim to make Atlantia independend. ਀ഊ>What keeps Baronies from moving over to another Principality or Kingdom? ਀ഊNothing overall... such shifts occur. ਀ഊAs to sudden or controversial shifts... The fact that a border ਀挀栀愀渀最攀 渀攀攀搀猀 䌀漀瀀漀爀愀琀攀 愀瀀瀀爀漀瘀愀氀⸀  䄀渀搀 琀栀椀猀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 栀愀爀搀 琀漀 最攀琀 椀昀ഊeither kingdom objected. ਀ഊThere have been many such shifts. Those that occured during the ਀瀀攀爀椀漀搀 䤀 眀愀猀 最攀琀琀椀渀最 琀栀攀 ⠀氀愀琀攀爀 搀椀猀挀漀渀琀椀渀甀攀搀⤀ 戀漀愀爀搀 洀椀渀甀琀攀猀ഊhappened after the board got kingdom inputs. ਀ഊLord Emrys Cador David M. Mann ਀䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀 匀攀琀琀洀漀甀爀 匀眀愀洀瀀       最爀攀礀挀愀琀 愀琀 琀爀椀戀攀挀愀⸀椀漀猀⸀挀漀洀ഊEastrealm ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀栀甀Ⰰ ㄀㤀 一漀瘀 ㄀㤀㤀㠀 　㘀㨀㄀㠀㨀㐀㠀 䔀匀吀ഊFrom: WOLFMOMSCA at aol.com ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 匀䌀 ⴀ 倀爀椀挀攀 漀昀 䘀攀愀猀琀猀 ⠀眀愀猀 戀甀琀琀攀爀⤀ഊ ਀䤀渀 愀 洀攀猀猀愀最攀 搀愀琀攀搀 㤀㠀ⴀ㄀㄀ⴀ㄀㠀 　㘀㨀㔀㈀㨀　㜀 䔀匀吀Ⰰ 䈀爀攀渀渀愀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀ഊ<< If I may be so bold, Wolfmother....where in Atlantia were you from? >> ਀ഊGlad to see that Atlantia has developed into a camping kingdom. For your ਀栀椀猀琀漀爀礀 昀椀氀攀Ⰰ 䤀 眀愀猀 琀栀攀 猀攀挀漀渀搀 猀攀渀攀猀挀栀愀氀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䌀愀渀琀漀渀 漀昀 䴀愀爀椀渀甀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 嘀椀挀攀ⴀഊGovernor of the Provincial City-State of Marinus. I was also the first ਀匀琀攀眀愀爀搀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䴀愀爀椀渀甀猀 䌀漀漀欀猀✀ 䜀甀椀氀搀 愀渀搀 眀爀漀琀攀 琀栀攀 漀爀椀最椀渀愀氀 挀栀愀爀琀攀爀 ⠀眀栀椀挀栀Ⰰ 戀礀ഊthe way, if there's a copy of that document running around up there, I'd love ਀琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 挀漀瀀礀 漀昀 椀琀⸀   䤀 氀漀猀琀 愀 最漀漀搀 搀攀愀氀 漀昀 瀀愀瀀攀爀猀 椀渀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 昀氀漀漀搀猀 栀攀爀攀⤀⸀ഊI autocratted Marinus' first event, and usually about three more a year for ਀琀栀攀 昀椀爀猀琀 猀椀砀 礀攀愀爀猀 漀爀 猀漀 漀昀 䴀愀爀椀渀甀猀✀ 攀砀椀猀琀攀渀挀攀⸀  䤀渀 琀栀漀猀攀 搀愀礀猀Ⰰ 眀攀 搀椀搀渀✀琀ഊcamp. Most folks only had one camping experience a year, if they went to ਀倀攀渀渀猀椀挀Ⰰ 漀爀 洀愀礀戀攀 愀 琀爀椀瀀 琀漀 猀漀洀攀 漀昀 琀栀攀 眀愀礀 猀漀甀琀栀攀爀渀 挀愀渀琀漀渀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀挀栀 眀攀爀攀 昀攀眀ഊand far between in those days. No offense meant or taken. ਀ഊWolfmother ਀⠀眀栀漀猀攀 漀昀昀椀挀椀愀氀 渀愀洀攀 椀猀 䠀䰀 䐀椀愀渀渀愀 圀礀渀搀愀氀愀渀 漀昀 䬀椀搀眀攀氀氀礀Ⰰ 氀漀琀猀愀ⴀ氀攀琀琀攀爀猀  㬀ⴀ⤀ഊ ਀ഊFrom: "Bonne of Traquair" ਀吀漀㨀 猀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最ഊSubject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: holding doors ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 吀甀攀Ⰰ ㄀㤀 䨀甀渀 ㈀　　㄀ ㄀㐀㨀㐀㄀㨀㄀　 ⴀ　㜀　　ഊ ਀㸀䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 椀琀✀猀 愀 瘀攀爀礀 渀椀挀攀 琀栀椀渀最⸀⸀⸀猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 琀栀愀琀 眀愀猀 洀愀搀攀 愀 挀甀猀琀漀洀 椀渀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀ഊ>several reigns ago by Stephan and Niobe (of Bellatrix). I must admit that ਀㸀䤀 搀椀搀 最攀琀 愀 挀栀甀挀欀氀攀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 眀栀攀渀 愀 氀愀搀礀 樀甀洀瀀攀搀 甀瀀 愀渀搀 攀猀挀漀爀琀攀搀 愀 最攀渀琀氀攀洀愀渀 ഊ>into TRM presence! ਀㸀ഊ>Kiri ਀ഊno, no, it was custom before that at least in more southerly parts I am ਀昀愀洀椀氀椀愀爀 眀椀琀栀⸀ഊ ਀䈀漀渀渀攀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:56:03 -0400 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䔀氀愀椀渀攀 䬀漀漀最氀攀爀 㰀攀欀漀漀最氀攀爀 愀琀 挀栀攀猀愀瀀攀愀欀攀⸀渀攀琀㸀ഊTo: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 圀䄀匀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 昀攀愀猀琀 渀漀眀 䈀☀䈀 氀攀渀最琀栀 漀昀 猀攀爀瘀椀挀攀ഊ ਀䤀渀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 漀甀琀氀愀眀攀搀 愀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 礀攀愀爀猀 愀最漀Ⰰ 眀栀攀渀 䈀☀䈀✀猀 眀攀爀攀ഊlimited to 4 years in office. Then a couple of years ago, this got ਀椀渀挀爀攀愀猀攀搀 琀漀 㘀 礀攀愀爀猀⸀  䤀渀 洀漀猀琀 最爀漀甀瀀猀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀 愀 爀攀瀀漀氀氀椀渀最 漀昀 琀栀攀 戀愀爀漀渀礀ഊand review by the Crowns every two years. Phillip and I just agreed to a ਀爀攀焀甀攀猀琀 昀爀漀洀 漀甀爀 最爀漀甀瀀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 ∀爀攀ⴀ甀瀀∀ 昀漀爀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 琀眀漀 礀攀愀爀猀⸀⸀⸀琀栀椀猀 眀椀氀氀ഊmake 6 for us. The thought here was that it would keep the groups more ਀愀挀琀椀瘀攀 愀猀 琀栀攀爀攀 眀漀甀氀搀 戀攀 渀攀眀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 眀攀愀爀椀渀最 琀栀攀 䌀漀爀漀渀攀琀猀 瀀攀爀椀漀搀椀挀愀氀氀礀⸀  圀攀ഊhad several Baronies that had reached a point where they weren't growing ਀攀椀琀栀攀爀 椀渀 渀甀洀戀攀爀猀 愀渀搀⼀漀爀 椀渀 愀挀琀椀瘀椀琀礀⸀  䤀琀 眀愀猀 昀攀氀琀 琀栀愀琀 琀栀椀猀 眀愀猀 搀甀攀 琀漀ഊthe fact that their B&B's had been in place for many, many years! ਀ഊI don't know...I guess there are good and bad points on both sides. On ਀漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 爀攀焀甀椀爀攀洀攀渀琀 挀愀甀猀攀猀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀猀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀爀攀 椀猀渀✀琀 爀攀愀氀氀礀ഊanyone to step in and take over. ਀ഊKiri ਀ഊ ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䨀漀栀渀 䌀愀洀瀀戀攀氀氀 㰀樀挀愀洀瀀戀攀氀 愀琀 氀礀渀渀⸀挀椀ⴀ渀⸀挀漀洀㸀ഊOrganization: Campbell Industries ਀一攀眀猀最爀漀甀瀀猀㨀 爀攀挀⸀漀爀最⸀猀挀愀ഊSubject: Re: Shinai vs. Ethics was Re: Light ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㄀㤀 䨀甀氀 ㈀　　㌀ ㄀㔀㨀㈀　㨀㈀　 䜀䴀吀ഊ ਀娀攀戀攀攀 䨀漀栀渀猀琀漀渀攀 眀爀漀琀攀㨀 ഊ> Aren't you mixing up safety standards and accuracy requirements? ਀㸀 ഊ> The "pre 17thC garb" is the only accuracy rule SCA wide. I believe it's ਀㸀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 漀渀攀 椀渀 愀渀礀 欀椀渀最搀漀洀 氀愀眀⸀ഊ ਀ऀ一漀瀀攀⸀ 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀 爀攀挀攀渀琀氀礀 椀猀猀甀攀搀 愀 爀漀礀愀氀 搀攀挀爀攀攀 昀漀爀戀椀搀搀椀渀最 瘀椀猀椀戀氀攀ഊplastic on the field, for authenticity reasons. ਀ⴀⴀ ഊAEthelwulf of Mountain Freehold ਀洀欀愀 䨀漀栀渀 䌀愀洀瀀戀攀氀氀ഊ ਀ഊDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:51:55 -0500 ਀䘀爀漀洀㨀 䴀愀爀琀椀渀猀攀渀 愀琀 愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最Ⰰ 䬀攀爀爀椀∀ഊ " at ansteorra.org ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 刀攀㨀 䌀爀攀愀琀椀瘀攀 匀甀瀀瀀氀椀洀攀渀琀愀琀椀漀渀ഊTo: Cooks within the SCA ਀ഊOn Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Pat wrote: ਀㸀 䤀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 椀渀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀渀 䄀琀攀渀瘀攀氀搀琀 ⠀䜀爀攀愀琀攀爀 倀栀漀攀渀椀砀Ⰰ 䄀娀⤀⸀ഊ> There are three baronies, a College, and a Shire all ਀㸀 眀椀琀栀椀渀 愀渀 栀漀甀爀猀 搀爀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 椀猀ഊ> spread out over a huge area. (There are nearly 5 million ਀㸀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 椀渀 䄀爀椀稀漀渀愀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 ㌀ 洀椀氀氀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀洀 氀椀瘀攀 椀渀 琀栀攀 䜀倀䄀ഊ ਀䠀甀洀⸀  䤀渀琀攀爀攀猀琀椀渀最 搀椀昀昀攀爀攀渀挀攀猀⸀  䤀 猀琀愀爀琀攀搀 瀀氀愀礀椀渀最 椀渀ഊNorthshield when it was part of the Middle. In the 2 ਀礀攀愀爀猀 䤀 瀀氀愀礀攀搀 琀栀攀爀攀Ⰰ 䤀 猀愀眀 爀漀礀愀氀琀礀 漀渀挀攀Ⰰ 愀琀 洀礀 昀椀爀猀琀ഊevent and I didn't know what to do. (Nothing like getting ਀挀愀氀氀攀搀 椀渀 昀爀漀渀琀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最 搀甀爀椀渀最 昀攀愀猀琀 眀栀攀渀 礀漀甀 栀愀瘀攀 渀漀ഊsilverware and are eating steak with your fingers). ਀ഊMost events were camping, except in the winter. A 3 hour ਀搀爀椀瘀攀 琀漀 愀渀 攀瘀攀渀琀 眀愀猀 挀漀渀猀椀搀攀爀攀搀 搀愀礀琀爀椀瀀愀戀氀攀⸀ 䘀攀愀猀琀猀 眀攀爀攀ഊstandard (and cheep cheep cheep!) at camping events, ਀愀氀琀栀漀甀最栀 琀栀攀礀 眀攀爀攀 甀猀甀愀氀氀礀 猀洀愀氀氀 ⠀㔀　ⴀ㘀　 眀愀猀 猀琀愀渀搀愀爀搀⤀ഊLeftovers were used for breakfast. I wasn't paying ਀愀琀琀攀渀琀椀漀渀 琀漀 眀栀愀琀 欀椀渀搀 漀昀 昀漀漀搀 眀愀猀 戀攀椀渀最 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀琀 昀攀愀猀琀猀Ⰰഊas long as I didn't go away hungry I was happy. ਀ഊThe one thing that I miss in Atlantia is Crash space. In ਀一漀爀琀栀猀栀椀攀氀搀Ⰰ 礀漀甀 挀漀甀氀搀 愀氀眀愀礀猀 挀愀氀氀 琀栀攀 愀甀琀漀挀爀愀琀 ⠀漀爀 琀栀攀ഊcrash-o-crat) and they would have a list of people willing ਀琀漀 琀愀欀攀 昀漀氀欀猀 椀渀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 渀椀最栀琀⸀  䴀愀搀攀 搀愀礀 攀瘀攀渀琀猀 瀀漀猀猀椀戀氀攀⸀ഊ ਀䐀漀渀✀琀 栀攀愀爀 愀戀漀甀琀 琀栀愀琀 漀甀琀 椀渀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀⸀ 䴀愀礀戀攀 䤀✀洀 樀甀猀琀 椀渀ഊthe wrong circles. ਀ഊKerri Martinsen ਀䠀爀漀猀瘀椀琀栀愀 瘀漀渀 䌀攀氀氀攀ഊkerrimart at cablespeed.com ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㈀㌀ 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　㘀 ㄀㐀㨀㐀　㨀㔀㜀 ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Elaine Koogler" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 匀愀搀 渀攀眀猀 昀爀漀洀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" , "Order of ਀ऀ琀栀攀 䰀愀甀爀攀氀 ⴀ 刀攀猀琀爀椀挀琀攀搀 䄀挀挀攀猀猀∀ 㰀猀挀愀ⴀ氀愀甀爀攀氀猀 愀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀愀渀猀琀攀漀爀爀愀⸀漀爀最㸀ഊ ਀䜀漀漀搀 䘀爀椀攀渀搀猀Ⰰ 䜀攀渀琀氀攀 䌀漀甀猀椀渀猀ⰀഊAt this season of joy and peace, it grieves me to inform you of the passing ਀漀昀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 嘀甀漀渀最 䴀愀渀栀Ⰰ 䌀漀洀瀀愀渀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 伀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 倀攀氀椀挀愀渀Ⰰ 䴀愀渀搀愀爀椀渀ഊSecond Class of the Royal Court, Premier Companion of the Golden Dolphin, ਀䌀漀洀瀀愀渀椀漀渀 漀昀 伀爀搀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀椀氀瘀攀爀 䌀爀攀猀挀攀渀琀Ⰰ 䌀漀洀瀀愀渀椀漀渀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䰀漀稀甀氀攀琀⸀ഊ ਀䴀愀渀礀 漀昀 洀礀 攀愀爀氀椀攀猀琀 洀攀洀漀爀椀攀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀 椀渀挀氀甀搀攀 琀栀椀猀 最攀渀琀氀攀 洀愀渀Ⰰ 漀渀攀 眀栀漀ഊalways sought peace in all that he did. He was one of the founding lights ਀漀昀 琀栀攀 䬀椀渀最搀漀洀 漀昀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀Ⰰ 栀愀瘀椀渀最 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀猀 栀攀爀 昀椀爀猀琀 䌀栀爀漀渀椀挀氀攀爀 愀猀 愀ഊPrincipality...which is why our newsletter is just about the only thing that ਀搀漀攀猀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 愀 猀攀愀 琀栀攀洀攀⸀⸀⸀栀攀 攀搀椀琀攀搀 琀栀攀 渀攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀 漀昀 琀栀攀 䈀愀爀漀渀礀 漀昀ഊMyrkewoode, the Acorn...and used the mailing permit for that to send out the ਀倀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀椀琀礀 渀攀眀猀氀攀琀琀攀爀⸀⸀⸀眀栀椀挀栀 漀昀 挀漀甀爀猀攀 栀愀搀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀攀 猀愀洀攀 渀愀洀攀℀  圀栀攀渀 䤀ഊwas Triton Principal Herald, he served as my "drop dead" deputy and actually ਀眀漀甀渀搀 甀瀀 猀攀爀瘀椀渀最 昀漀爀 愀 昀攀眀 栀漀甀爀猀 眀栀攀渀 漀渀攀 漀昀 漀甀爀 䬀椀渀最猀 猀甀猀瀀攀渀搀攀搀 洀攀 昀爀漀洀ഊoffice for the duration of his reign (it worked out to be about 12 ਀栀漀甀爀猀⸀⸀⸀⤀⸀  䠀攀 戀爀攀愀琀栀攀搀 愀 最爀攀愀琀 猀椀最栀 漀昀 爀攀氀椀攀昀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 渀攀眀 䬀椀渀最 眀愀猀 挀爀漀眀渀攀搀ഊand agreed to reinstate me! ਀ഊDick Eney was active in Science Fiction fandom as well. I had heard of him ਀琀栀爀漀甀最栀 洀礀 挀漀甀猀椀渀Ⰰ 愀氀猀漀 瘀攀爀礀 愀挀琀椀瘀攀Ⰰ 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䤀 洀攀琀 栀椀洀 愀猀 䴀愀猀琀攀爀 嘀甀漀渀最  ഊManh. ਀ഊThough I had not seen much of him in recent times, I will miss knowing that ਀栀椀猀 最攀渀琀氀攀 瀀爀攀猀攀渀挀攀 椀猀 渀攀愀爀戀礀⸀ഊ ਀䬀椀爀椀ഊ Atlantia ਀ഊ ਀䐀愀琀攀㨀 匀愀琀Ⰰ ㌀　 䐀攀挀 ㈀　　㘀 ㈀　㨀㈀㈀㨀　㌀ ⴀ　㔀　　ഊFrom: "Elaine Koogler" ਀匀甀戀樀攀挀琀㨀 刀攀㨀 嬀匀挀愀ⴀ挀漀漀欀猀崀 匀愀搀 渀攀眀猀 昀爀漀洀 䄀琀氀愀渀琀椀愀ഊTo: "Cooks within the SCA" ਀ഊ> Kiri mentioned the passing of Master Vuong Manh and mentioned: ਀㸀ഊ> <<< When I ਀㸀 眀愀猀 吀爀椀琀漀渀 倀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀 䠀攀爀愀氀搀Ⰰ 栀攀 猀攀爀瘀攀搀 愀猀 洀礀 ∀搀爀漀瀀 搀攀愀搀∀ 搀攀瀀甀琀礀 愀渀搀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀ഊ> wound up serving for a few hours when one of our Kings suspended me from ਀㸀 漀昀昀椀挀攀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀 搀甀爀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 栀椀猀 爀攀椀最渀 ⠀椀琀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 漀甀琀 琀漀 戀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 ㄀㈀ഊ> hours...). He breathed a great sigh of relief when the new King was crowned ਀㸀 愀渀搀 愀最爀攀攀搀 琀漀 爀攀椀渀猀琀愀琀攀 洀攀℀ 㸀㸀㸀ഊ> ਀㸀 匀漀Ⰰ 眀栀愀琀 搀椀搀 礀漀甀 搀漀 琀栀愀琀 最漀琀 礀漀甀 戀愀渀椀猀栀攀搀㼀ഊ> ਀㸀 匀琀攀昀愀渀ഊ ਀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 琀爀甀琀栀 戀攀 琀漀氀搀Ⰰ 䤀✀瘀攀 渀攀瘀攀爀 焀甀椀琀攀 昀椀最甀爀攀搀 琀栀愀琀 漀甀琀⸀  䐀甀欀攀 䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 猀攀攀洀攀搀ഊto take a dislike to me before he ever really met me...and I guess I angered ਀栀椀洀 攀瘀攀渀 洀漀爀攀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀椀猀 氀椀琀琀氀攀 琀栀椀渀最 愀戀漀甀琀 昀漀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 琀栀攀 氀愀眀猀 漀昀ഊAtlantia and the SCA. I managed to thwart his desires on several ਀漀挀挀愀猀椀漀渀猀⸀⸀⸀渀漀琀 愀氀氀漀眀椀渀最 栀椀洀 琀漀 挀氀漀猀攀 愀 倀爀椀渀挀椀瀀愀氀椀琀礀 漀爀搀攀爀 愀渀搀 漀瀀攀渀 琀栀攀ഊKingdom order with the same name...a violation of heraldic law, not passing ਀愀 猀攀琀 漀昀 愀爀洀猀 琀栀愀琀 栀攀 搀攀猀椀最渀攀搀 昀漀爀 栀椀猀 ∀氀愀搀礀 氀漀瘀攀∀ ⠀漀爀 猀漀 猀栀攀 琀栀漀甀最栀琀℀⤀ഊbecause they violated most of the rules of period heraldry...etc., etc. ਀䴀椀挀栀愀攀氀 漀昀 䈀攀搀昀漀爀搀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀漀 栀愀瘀攀 琀栀椀猀 椀搀攀愀 琀栀愀琀 氀愀眀猀 愀瀀瀀氀礀 琀漀  攀瘀攀爀礀漀渀攀 戀甀琀ഊhim. He actually did try to banish me from the SCA but was told by the ਀攀渀琀椀爀攀 䌀甀爀椀愀 琀栀愀琀 漀渀氀礀 琀栀攀 䈀漀愀爀搀 漀昀 䐀椀爀攀挀琀漀爀猀 挀漀甀氀搀 搀漀 琀栀愀琀℀  䠀攀 琀栀攀渀 琀爀椀攀搀ഊeach level of banishment/suspension until they finally agreed that he had ਀爀攀愀挀栀攀搀 琀栀攀 漀渀攀 栀攀 挀漀甀氀搀 愀挀琀甀愀氀氀礀 搀漀⸀⸀⸀戀甀琀Ⰰ 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 栀攀 栀愀搀 琀漀 渀漀琀椀昀礀 戀漀琀栀 洀攀ഊand the Laurel King of Arms in writing...and the suspension didn't take ਀攀昀昀攀挀琀 甀渀琀椀氀 ㌀ 搀愀礀猀 愀昀琀攀爀 䤀 爀攀挀攀椀瘀攀搀 琀栀攀 渀漀琀椀挀攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 猀甀猀瀀攀渀猀椀漀渀 氀愀猀琀攀搀 愀戀漀甀琀ഊ12 hours...seems the Curia in question was held the last weekend of his ਀爀攀椀最渀Ⰰ 琀栀攀 眀攀攀欀攀渀搀 戀攀昀漀爀攀 䌀漀爀漀渀愀琀椀漀渀℀  䘀甀渀渀礀 栀漀眀 琀栀愀琀 眀漀爀欀攀搀 漀甀琀℀ഊ ਀匀漀 琀栀攀爀攀 礀漀甀 最漀⸀⸀琀栀攀 琀愀氀攀 漀昀 栀漀眀 䬀椀爀椀 愀氀洀漀猀琀 最漀琀 戀愀渀椀猀栀攀搀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 匀䌀䄀℀ഊ ਀䬀椀爀椀ഊ ਀㰀琀栀攀 攀渀搀㸀ഊEdited by Mark S. Harris Atlantia-hist-msg Page 7 of 7 ਀ഊ