Atlantia-hist-msg – 9/23/07
Histories of the SCA kingdom of Atlantia.
NOTE: See also the files: Atlant-rapier-msg, SCA-hist1-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, child-stories-msg, SCA-authors-msg, placenames-msg, SCA-in-books-msg.
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From: hggerald at aol.com (Hggerald)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Assassinations (was Period poisons)
Date: 31 Aug 1994 02:04:02 -0400
salley at niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) writes:
>If I might change the topic ever so slightly here... ;-)
>As long as we're talking about doing away with someone in a period manner,
>does anyone know *any* historical precedent for the oft overused fictional
>tactic of the assassin getting into the castle as an entertainer?
I don't know of any documented period occurences, but I do know that I was
assassinated while king of Atlantia by a juggler. He slipped an alka
seltzer (plop plop fizz fizz) in my bowl of thick lentil soup during some
misdirection. I awarded him arms for it.
-- Gyrth Oldcastle
From: Neil Maclay <nmaclay at mitre.org>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: History of SCA fighting
Date: 18 Nov 1994 17:43:21 GMT
Organization: Planning Systems, Inc. (PSI)
Shop Smart...Shop S-Mart!, 00pfpogue at bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> I'd like to hear, through posts or email, what opinions all of you
on the
> bridge have on this subject, whether the persons named be Society-wide
> phenomenons or Kingdom legends. All I ask is that you generall believe
that
> this person had something of an influence on the way your entire
kingdom or the
> Society itself fought. I'm hoping to gain at least a general idea of
how our
> unique martial art came to evolve over the years.
>
In the East Kingdom I believe that Mistress Morgan Allandris (SP?) was
important in the early development of organized group tactics. Also in
the East Sir Sigfried von Holstearn is famous as an individual fighter
and as a leader.
In Atlantia Sir Gyrth Oldcastle developed a distinct sword and shield
style that has proven to be very successful in tournament fighting over
the years. He has also written a small book describing his style. Does
anyone know if this book is still available and how to get it? If so
please post.
Also in Atlantia, Sir Strykar, Sir Baschamp Paul, and Sir Steffan of
Wolfshaven developed the "three stooges style" of fighting. This style
includes a highly developed style of two sword and of greatsword fighting
emphasizing footwork and circularity of movement. These elements also
dominate the "stoogic" styles of sword and shield.
I would consider Sir Gyrth and Sir Strykar the two main theorists of
fighting in Atlantia though their are many others who teach fighters to
fight well.
/
Master Malcolm MacMalcolm, Marshal
( just say 'MMMMM...' )
mka Neil Maclay
Barony of Storvic - Atlantia
mka Wash. D.C. area
From: Tom Courtney <vis at shore.net>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Kingdom Annexation!
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:55:09 +0000
Morgoth wrote:
> What keeps Baronies from moving over to another Principality or Kingdom?
Only the will of the residents. It happens occasionally. Myrkwood moved from the
East to Atlantia, where it eventually became Lochmere (I'm abreviating a lot of
history here.)
Tom Courtney
aka Vissevald Selkirksson
From: greycat at tribeca.ios.com (Greycat Sharpclaw)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Kingdom Annexation!
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 00:42:53 GMT
Emrys sends greetings onto all upon this bridge:
There is an allegation that Morgoth <morgoth at nome.net> wrote:
>What is to keep a person from winning more than one crown tourney, one in
>say AnTir and another in the West, and then to combine the Two Crown, how
>far could he/she do it, and what keeps it from happening? and Why not?
Well, don't most kingdoms have residency requirements for their
monarchs? Of course, moving after crown complicates things.
Also, in the East, the law would forbid a King/Queen or Crown
Prince/Princess from entering crown. Do other Kingdoms have a
similar law?
Of course, there _was_ the incident that helped make the law.
King Michael of Bedford (of the East) entered then-principality's
Atlantia's first crown tourney, and won. About a month after he
crowned Sigfried as his successor in the East, Sigfried crowned
him to make Atlantia independend.
>What keeps Baronies from moving over to another Principality or Kingdom?
Nothing overall... such shifts occur.
As to sudden or controversial shifts... The fact that a border
change needs Coporate approval. And this would be hard to get if
either kingdom objected.
There have been many such shifts. Those that occured during the
period I was getting the (later discontinued) board minutes
happened after the board got kingdom inputs.
Lord Emrys Cador David M. Mann
Barony of Settmour Swamp greycat at tribeca.ios.com
Eastrealm
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:18:48 EST
From: WOLFMOMSCA at aol.com
Subject: Re: SC - Price of Feasts (was butter)
In a message dated 98-11-18 06:52:07 EST, Brenna wrote:
<< If I may be so bold, Wolfmother....where in Atlantia were you from? >>
Glad to see that Atlantia has developed into a camping kingdom. For your
history file, I was the second seneschal of the Canton of Marinus, and Vice-
Governor of the Provincial City-State of Marinus. I was also the first
Steward of the Marinus Cooks' Guild and wrote the original charter (which, by
the way, if there's a copy of that document running around up there, I'd love
to have a copy of it. I lost a good deal of papers in recent floods here).
I autocratted Marinus' first event, and usually about three more a year for
the first six years or so of Marinus' existence. In those days, we didn't
camp. Most folks only had one camping experience a year, if they went to
Pennsic, or maybe a trip to some of the way southern cantons, which were few
and far between in those days. No offense meant or taken.
Wolfmother
(whose official name is HL Dianna Wyndalan of Kidwelly, lotsa-letters ;-)
From: "Bonne of Traquair" <oftraquair at hotmail.com>
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: holding doors
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:41:10 -0700
>I think it's a very nice thing...something that was made a custom in Atlantia
>several reigns ago by Stephan and Niobe (of Bellatrix). I must admit that
>I did get a chuckle recently when a lady jumped up and escorted a gentleman
>into TRM presence!
>
>Kiri
no, no, it was custom before that at least in more southerly parts I am
familiar with.
Bonne
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:56:03 -0400
From: Elaine Koogler <ekoogler at chesapeake.net>
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Subject: WAS Re: [Sca-cooks] feast now B&B length of service
In Atlantia, this was outlawed a number of years ago, when B&B's were
limited to 4 years in office. Then a couple of years ago, this got
increased to 6 years. In most groups, there is a repolling of the barony
and review by the Crowns every two years. Phillip and I just agreed to a
request from our group that we "re-up" for another two years...this will
make 6 for us. The thought here was that it would keep the groups more
active as there would be new people wearing the Coronets periodically. We
had several Baronies that had reached a point where they weren't growing
either in numbers and/or in activity. It was felt that this was due to
the fact that their B&B's had been in place for many, many years!
I don't know...I guess there are good and bad points on both sides. On
occasion, this requirement causes problems because there isn't really
anyone to step in and take over.
Kiri
From: John Campbell <jcampbel at lynn.ci-n.com>
Organization: Campbell Industries
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Shinai vs. Ethics was Re: Light
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:20:20 GMT
Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> Aren't you mixing up safety standards and accuracy requirements?
>
> The "pre 17thC garb" is the only accuracy rule SCA wide. I believe it's
> the only one in any kingdom law.
Nope. Atlantia recently issued a royal decree forbidding visible
plastic on the field, for authenticity reasons.
--
AEthelwulf of Mountain Freehold
mka John Campbell
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:51:55 -0500
From: Martinsen at ansteorra.org, Kerri"
<kerrimart at cablespeed.com>" at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Re: Creative Supplimentation
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Pat <mordonna22 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I started in the SCA in Atenveldt (Greater Phoenix, AZ).
> There are three baronies, a College, and a Shire all
> within an hours drive, but the rest of the Kingdom is
> spread out over a huge area. (There are nearly 5 million
> people in Arizona, but 3 million of them live in the GPA
Hum. Interesting differences. I started playing in
Northshield when it was part of the Middle. In the 2
years I played there, I saw royalty once, at my first
event and I didn't know what to do. (Nothing like getting
called in front of the King during feast when you have no
silverware and are eating steak with your fingers).
Most events were camping, except in the winter. A 3 hour
drive to an event was considered daytripable. Feasts were
standard (and cheep cheep cheep!) at camping events,
although they were usually small (50-60 was standard)
Leftovers were used for breakfast. I wasn't paying
attention to what kind of food was being served at feasts,
as long as I didn't go away hungry I was happy.
The one thing that I miss in Atlantia is Crash space. In
Northshield, you could always call the autocrat (or the
crash-o-crat) and they would have a list of people willing
to take folks in for the night. Made day events possible.
Don't hear about that out in Atlantia. Maybe I'm just in
the wrong circles.
Kerri Martinsen
Hrosvitha von Celle
kerrimart at cablespeed.com
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:40:57 -0500
From: "Elaine Koogler" <kiridono at gmail.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Sad news from Atlantia
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>, "Order of
the Laurel - Restricted Access" <sca-laurels at lists.ansteorra.org>
Good Friends, Gentle Cousins,
At this season of joy and peace, it grieves me to inform you of the passing
of Master Vuong Manh, Companion of the Order of the Pelican, Mandarin
Second Class of the Royal Court, Premier Companion of the Golden Dolphin,
Companion of Order of the Silver Crescent, Companion of the Lozulet.
Many of my earliest memories of the SCA include this gentle man, one who
always sought peace in all that he did. He was one of the founding lights
of the Kingdom of Atlantia, having served as her first Chronicler as a
Principality...which is why our newsletter is just about the only thing that
doesn't have a sea theme...he edited the newsletter of the Barony of
Myrkewoode, the Acorn...and used the mailing permit for that to send out the
Principality newsletter...which of course had to have the same name! When I
was Triton Principal Herald, he served as my "drop dead" deputy and actually
wound up serving for a few hours when one of our Kings suspended me from
office for the duration of his reign (it worked out to be about 12
hours...). He breathed a great sigh of relief when the new King was crowned
and agreed to reinstate me!
Dick Eney was active in Science Fiction fandom as well. I had heard of him
through my cousin, also very active, before I met him as Master Vuong
Manh.
Though I had not seen much of him in recent times, I will miss knowing that
his gentle presence is nearby.
Kiri
Atlantia
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:22:03 -0500
From: "Elaine Koogler" <kiridono at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Sad news from Atlantia
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Kiri mentioned the passing of Master Vuong Manh and mentioned:
>
> <<< When I
> was Triton Principal Herald, he served as my "drop dead" deputy and actually
> wound up serving for a few hours when one of our Kings suspended me from
> office for the duration of his reign (it worked out to be about 12
> hours...). He breathed a great sigh of relief when the new King was crowned
> and agreed to reinstate me! >>>
>
> So, what did you do that got you banished?
>
> Stefan
Well, truth be told, I've never quite figured that out. Duke Michael seemed
to take a dislike to me before he ever really met me...and I guess I angered
him even more because I have this little thing about following the laws of
Atlantia and the SCA. I managed to thwart his desires on several
occasions...not allowing him to close a Principality order and open the
Kingdom order with the same name...a violation of heraldic law, not passing
a set of arms that he designed for his "lady love" (or so she thought!)
because they violated most of the rules of period heraldry...etc., etc.
Michael of Bedford seems to have this idea that laws apply to everyone but
him. He actually did try to banish me from the SCA but was told by the
entire Curia that only the Board of Directors could do that! He then tried
each level of banishment/suspension until they finally agreed that he had
reached the one he could actually do...but, because he had to notify both me
and the Laurel King of Arms in writing...and the suspension didn't take
effect until 3 days after I received the notice, the suspension lasted about
12 hours...seems the Curia in question was held the last weekend of his
reign, the weekend before Coronation! Funny how that worked out!
So there you go..the tale of how Kiri almost got banished from the SCA!
Kiri
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