AnTir-hist-msg - 4/4/19

Histories of the Kingdom of An Tir.

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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: rzex60 at email.sps.mot.com (Jay Brandt)
Subject: Re: History of SCA fighting
Organization: the Polyhedron Group
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:59:03 GMT

00pfpogue at bsuvc.bsu.edu (Shop Smart...Shop S-Mart!) wrote:
>      SCA fighting has evolved into many different styles, but there are some
> that seem to take prominence.  Who, in the last 30 years, have been the most
> influential fighters, the 'living legends' whose styles left an imprint on all
> those around them, perhaps even the entire Society?  Who, in short, are the
> people most responsible for fighting as it exists today in the SCA?

Sir Jaime Oakenshield comes to mind as one of the first knights, and one of
the first, if not the first, to use great sword effectively. He still
resides in An Tir, though he rately if ever attends events any more.

Viscount Sir Edward Ziffran (Count? Duke? I don't know what his current
rank is, though I've heard he's been king somewhere to the East at least
once). He is also known as 'Fast Eddie', among -ahem- other epithets. When
he was still Prince of the *Principality* of An Tir (-many- years ago), he
struck me as a magnificent example of what an SCA Prince or King should be.
He also struck my Lady such a swift blow in her fighters qualification test
that her ears were ringing the rest of the afternoon. Blazingly fast, with
a good sense of both tactics and theatrics. He was, and is, both an
excellently skilled fighter and a showman who makes it interesting to watch
his bouts.

Then of course there is Duke Paul of Bellatrix. 'nuff said, right?
-- 
Regards, Jay Brandt --- Austin, Texas, USA --- <rzex60 at email.sps.mot.com>
In the SCA, HLS Jason of Rosaria, JdL, GdS, AoA --------- (Member # 3016)
Owner / Designer / Craftsman ------------------------- Bear Paw Woodworks


From: "Jeanne Stapleton" <jstaplet at adm.law.du.edu>
Organization: Univ. of Denver, College of Law
To: ansteorra at eden.com
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:21:04 -700 MST
Subject: Re: Lion of Ansteorra

The noble lady Clare asks:
> I am curious since the concept of the Lion originated for us from
> Atenveldt how it is handled to our neighbors to the West?  Does the
> award get handed out automatically or do they skip reigns.  Did
> Artemsia and the Outlands continue the tradition and how have they
> handled when and how they give it out.

I do not know what Artemisia's award structure is to be.  The 
Outlands does not have a Lion (think about the initials for just a 
sec...Lion Of the Outlands...whoops...).  I am not sure why this
is so, not being thoroughly versed in the lore of my adoptive
kingdom.  What we do have it the Walker of the Way (WOW :-))
for those who embody the ideals of the Dream (tm).

Now, *An Tir* on the other hand adopted and adapted the Lion of An 
Tir in the (second?) reign of Tjorkill and Hlutwige.  I'm not sure 
how that came about exactly, but I suspect they came to know of the 
idea via Master Korwyn Ariannaid, who was living in the same barony 
at the time.  Anyway, it has *not* been given every reign; I'm not 
sure why some Crowns chose to bestow it and others didn't.  I don't 
think it's because they felt there was no one worthy of the award.  

I was very fortunate to be present when our predecessors bestowed the 
Lion of An Tir on Baroness Amanda Kendal of Westmorland from Lion's
Gate at the Council of Crowns in An Tir.  Duke Inman was on the 
throne of Ansteorra and was present, as was Baron Hossein; they both
came forward to be part of the ceremony, which I know meant a great
deal to Amanda.

I was even more fortunate to be the Crown that presented the Lion of 
An Tir to the Dowager Princess Janeltis, now departed from this 
mortal plane.  That was one of the signal moments of my SCA life.

I've been reading a little on and off about how Lions are chosen in 
Ansteorra, but I don't remember the particulars, I'm afraid.  The 
principal Lion of An Tir keeps a list and periodically polls the 
members and presents a list to the Crown with everyone who's been 
nominated and how the members ranked them in order from 1-? as being 
the embodiment of the ideals of An Tir.  The Crown can then pick from 
the list, or not, at Their will.  
We didn't pick from the list; I came up with someone who wasn't on it
and proposed Her Serene Highness to Rorik (my king), but the Lions
all kind of smacked themselves in the head and said the equivalent
of, "D'oh!" when I mentioned Janeltis.

Countess Berengaria de Montfort de Carcassonne, OP
Barony of Caerthe
Kingdom of the Outlands


Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:17:00 -0800
From: "Laura C. Minnick" <lcm at jeffnet.org>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] 12th Nights

Johnnae wrote:
<<< Various 12th Nights are being held in the coming two weeks.

So what people planning or being served this year? >>>

lilinah at earthlink.net wrote:
<<< West Kingdom has never had a feast as long as i've been in the SCA, 
since Twelfth Night is usually held in a hotel. >>>

I've been in for 20 years, and I think that An Tir 12th Night went to a 
'con' format 17 or 18 years ago. Last feast I remember was about '91, 
maybe '92 (it was in Lion's Gate, if anyone remembers). A few years 
after that there was a 'buffet feast', but it was held several floors 
off of where the court site was, and it was done *during court*, which 
meant that if you wanted to eat, you had to leave court. A couple of the 
Chiv were especially unhappy about this.

So we've had our 12th Night in hotels for some time. We end up having to 
use a conference center, because we flat out can't have the event 
otherwise. Finding an outdoor site for 1500-2000 people is hard enough, 
but finding a site for 1500 _indoors_ is quite another matter! We 
usually completely book the main hotel within moments of the copy 
hitting the web page, and hotels around fill up quickly. They may or may 
not be convenient, however. And dragging yourself around from hotel to 
hotel in the rain while wearing 12th Night garb is less than fun.

Any dancing happens Friday night.

Frankly, I don't like the fact that 12th Night has gone so far off of 
what it had been, but I don't see any way it could have been avoided. 
When you make it a Kingdom event and stick a coronation and peerage 
meetings in the middle of it, there's little time for anything else.

(In the interest of full disclosure, no, I'm not going to 12th Night 
this weekend. I can't afford the travel and hotel, and I HATE that site.)

'Lainie

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