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Histories of the Kingdom of An Tir.


NOTE: See also the files: SCA-hist1-msg, border-stories-msg, SCA-notables-msg, child-stories-msg, SCA-stories1-msg, you-know-msg.





This file is a collection of various messages having a common theme that I have collected from my reading of the various computer networks. Some messages date back to 1989, some may be as recent as yesterday.


This file is part of a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium. These files are available on the Internet at: http://www.florilegium.org


I have done a limited amount of editing. Messages having to do with separate topics were sometimes split into different files and sometimes extraneous information was removed. For instance, the message IDs were removed to save space and remove clutter.


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    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

From: rzex60 at email.sps.mot.com (Jay Brandt)

Subject: Re: History of SCA fighting

Organization: the Polyhedron Group

Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:59:03 GMT


00pfpogue at bsuvc.bsu.edu (Shop Smart...Shop S-Mart!) wrote:

>      SCA fighting has evolved into many different styles, but there are some

> that seem to take prominence.  Who, in the last 30 years, have been the most

> influential fighters, the 'living legends' whose styles left an imprint on all

> those around them, perhaps even the entire Society? Who, in short, are the

> people most responsible for fighting as it exists today in the SCA?


Sir Jaime Oakenshield comes to mind as one of the first knights, and one of

the first, if not the first, to use great sword effectively. He still

resides in An Tir, though he rately if ever attends events any more.


Viscount Sir Edward Ziffran (Count? Duke? I don't know what his current

rank is, though I've heard he's been king somewhere to the East at least

once). He is also known as 'Fast Eddie', among -ahem- other epithets. When

he was still Prince of the *Principality* of An Tir (-many- years ago), he

struck me as a magnificent example of what an SCA Prince or King should be.

He also struck my Lady such a swift blow in her fighters qualification test

that her ears were ringing the rest of the afternoon. Blazingly fast, with

a good sense of both tactics and theatrics. He was, and is, both an

excellently skilled fighter and a showman who makes it interesting to watch

his bouts.


Then of course there is Duke Paul of Bellatrix. 'nuff said, right?


Regards, Jay Brandt --- Austin, Texas, USA --- <rzex60 at email.sps.mot.com>

In the SCA, HLS Jason of Rosaria, JdL, GdS, AoA --------- (Member # 3016)

Owner / Designer / Craftsman ------------------------- Bear Paw Woodworks



From: "Jeanne Stapleton" <jstaplet at adm.law.du.edu>

Organization: Univ. of Denver, College of Law

To: ansteorra at eden.com

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:21:04 -700 MST

Subject: Re: Lion of Ansteorra


The noble lady Clare asks:

> I am curious since the concept of the Lion originated for us from

> Atenveldt how it is handled to our neighbors to the West?  Does the

> award get handed out automatically or do they skip reigns.  Did

> Artemsia and the Outlands continue the tradition and how have they

> handled when and how they give it out.


I do not know what Artemisia's award structure is to be. The

Outlands does not have a Lion (think about the initials for just a

sec...Lion Of the Outlands...whoops...).  I am not sure why this

is so, not being thoroughly versed in the lore of my adoptive

kingdom.  What we do have it the Walker of the Way (WOW :-))

for those who embody the ideals of the Dream (tm).


Now, *An Tir* on the other hand adopted and adapted the Lion of An

Tir in the (second?) reign of Tjorkill and Hlutwige.  I'm not sure

how that came about exactly, but I suspect they came to know of the

idea via Master Korwyn Ariannaid, who was living in the same barony

at the time.  Anyway, it has *not* been given every reign; I'm not

sure why some Crowns chose to bestow it and others didn't. I don't

think it's because they felt there was no one worthy of the award.  


I was very fortunate to be present when our predecessors bestowed the

Lion of An Tir on Baroness Amanda Kendal of Westmorland from Lion's

Gate at the Council of Crowns in An Tir.  Duke Inman was on the

throne of Ansteorra and was present, as was Baron Hossein; they both

came forward to be part of the ceremony, which I know meant a great

deal to Amanda.


I was even more fortunate to be the Crown that presented the Lion of

An Tir to the Dowager Princess Janeltis, now departed from this

mortal plane.  That was one of the signal moments of my SCA life.


I've been reading a little on and off about how Lions are chosen in

Ansteorra, but I don't remember the particulars, I'm afraid.  The

principal Lion of An Tir keeps a list and periodically polls the

members and presents a list to the Crown with everyone who's been

nominated and how the members ranked them in order from 1-? as being

the embodiment of the ideals of An Tir.  The Crown can then pick from

the list, or not, at Their will.  

We didn't pick from the list; I came up with someone who wasn't on it

and proposed Her Serene Highness to Rorik (my king), but the Lions

all kind of smacked themselves in the head and said the equivalent

of, "D'oh!" when I mentioned Janeltis.


Countess Berengaria de Montfort de Carcassonne, OP

Barony of Caerthe

Kingdom of the Outlands


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