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Medieval paper. Sources for similar paper today.


NOTE: See also the files: papermaking-msg, parchment-msg, inks-msg, papermaking-msg, sealing-wax-msg, calligraphy-msg, callig-suppl-msg, wax-tablets-msg.





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    Mark S. Harris                  AKA:  THLord Stefan li Rous

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From: cav at storm.ca (Rick Cavasin)

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

Subject: Re: Leather & Ink?

Date: 13 Mar 1997 14:01:17 GMT

Organization: Bell Northern Research


Russell Gilman-Hunt <rgh at continue.uoregon.edu> writes:

|> Actually, what I was aiming at, since I couldn't find vellum, was

|> a better presentation for a written poem than ballpoint on notepaper,

|> if you know what I mean. You know, something different, yet attractive.


Er...how about quill pen or calligraphy pen, using a good ink  (Jack Thompson -

tcl at teleport.com - in Portland sells medieval style iron-gall ink), on a quality

laid paper?  Rather than trying to find a paper that simulates vellum (something

paper rarely succeeds in doing), why not find a paper that looks like the sort

of paper that would have been available in Europe in the middle ages?  Remember,

they were making paper at Fabriano in Italy in the 13th century (and they still

do).  Look for a high-rag content laid paper.  That would be even more authentic

than using a paper that's masquerading as vellum (unless you're shooting for

a pre-13th century effect).  Even if you are, you could enter it as  a

14th century copy of a poem written before paper was introduced to Europe. Nyah!


|> My entry is the poem, not the leather/ink stuff.  Anyway.


If that's the case, I'd just use a good, attractive paper.  No point in

hammering a square peg into a round hole.  Paper has it's own unique beauty

and charm.  No need to make it try to be something it's not.  There's also

a purely technical consideration. *Some* immitation 'parchment' papers are

made by chemical processes that render them subject to rapid degradation.


|> I'll probably go to Art Media and see what they have there; the

|> quoted price was $.20 a sheet for 8x10.


Real vellum would cost you between 100 and 200 times that much, depending on

where you got it.  If that doesn't daunt you, get in touch with me next time,

but give yourself a couple months time to work out the logistics of delivery.

(hint - it's always cheaper to buy whole or half hides than trimmed rectangular






[Submitted by: "Alderton, Philippa" <phlip at morganco.net>]

From: R.L. Hunsucker (UvA/UBA) <hunsucker at uba.uva.nl>

To: BYZANS-L at lists.missouri.edu <BYZANS-L at lists.missouri.edu>

Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:53 AM

Subject: Re: Paper/Parchment


At 19:25 9-11-99 -0500, Diana Wright wrote:

>Can anyone direct me to books or articles on the economics of parchment

>and/or paper production in medieval/renaisance/byzantine times?


You might try:


  Pergament : Geschichte, Struktur, Restaurierung, Herstellung /

  hrsg. von Peter Rck. - Sigmaringen : Thorbecke, 1991. -

  480 p. : ill. ; 31 cm. - (Historische Hilfswissenschaften ; Bd. 2).

  ISBN 3-7995-4202-7


which has among other things a bibliographical article by

Stefan Janzen and Angelika Manetzki, "Pergamentbibliographie",

on pp. 415-476 -- as well as Rck's own "Zum Stand der

hilfswissenschaftlichen Pergamentforschung" on pp. 13-23.


and (just to mention some fairly recent stuff) such books as:


  Produzione e commercio della carta e del libro, secc. XIII-XVIII :

  atti della "Ventitreesima Settimana di Studi" 15-20 aprile 1991 /

  a cura di Simonetta Cavaciocchi. - [Firenze] : Le Monnier, 1992.

  - 1039 p. : ill. ; 22 cm. - (Istituto Internazionale di Storia Economica

  "F.Datini" Prato. Serie II, Atti delle "Settimane di Studi" e altri

  Covegni ; 23).

  ISBN 88-00-72223-7


  Papier : eine Kulturgeschichte / Wilhelm Sandermann. - 3.

  Aufl., ergaenzt und ueberarb. / von Klaus Hoffmann. - Berlin

  [etc.] : Springer Verlag, cop. 1997. - XII, 262 p. : ill. ; 21 cm

  ISBN 3-540-55313-4


  La saga du papier / Pierre-Marc de Biasi et Karine Douplitzky.

  - Paris : Adam Biro ; Issy-les-Moulineux : Arte Editions, 1999.

  - 256 p. : ill. ; 31 cm. - (Collection Textures).

  ISBN 2-87660-228-8


  L'histoire du papier / Christian Bouyer. - [Turnhout] : Brepols,

  cop. 1994. - 63 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.

  ISBN 2-503-50351-9


  Zum Stand der Papiergeschichtsforschung in Deutschland :

  Symposium mit Papierhistorikern und -wissenschaftlern

  anlaesslich des 600jaehrigen Jubilaeums der Papiermacherei

   in Deutschland / Guenter Bayerl, Wolfgang Schlieder, Rolf

  Stuempel (Hrsg.). - Frankfurt am Main [etc.] : Peter Lang,

  1993. - 128 p. ; 21 cm.

  ISBN 3-631-44539-3


  Making paper : a look into the history of an ancient craft

  / Bo Rudin ; [transl. from Swedish by Roger G. Tanner]. -

  Vaellingby : Rudins, 1990. - 278 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.

  ISBN 91-970888-2-X


  Papermaking in Britain, 1488-1988 : a short history /

  Richard L. Hills. - London ; Atlantic Highlands, NJ : Athlone

  Press, 1988. - 249 p. : ill. ; 26 cm.

  ISBN 0-485-11346-5


and particularly such articles as:


  those by Nicolas Barker (pp. 213-219), Jean-Francois Bergier

  (pp. 27-43), Richard L. Hills (pp. 73-97), and Franz Irsigler

  (pp. 143-199) in Cavaciocchi (see above)


  Wolfgang von Stromer, "Innovations in Paper Manufacture in

   the Late Middle Ages and in the Early Modern Period",

  Technik-geschichte : Zeitschrift der Verein Deutscher

  Ingenieure, Vol. 60  (Issue 1), 1993, pp. 1-6


  Daniel V. Thompson, "Medieval Parchment-making", The

  library : a magazine of bibliography and literature, Vol. 16

   (Issue 1), jun-1935, pp. 113 ff.


  Roderick J. Lyall, "Materials: the paper revolution", Book

  Production and Publishing in Britain 1375-1475. Ed. Jeremy

  Griffiths and Derek Pearsall (Cambridge Studies in Publishing

  and Printing History), Cambridge: Cambridge University Press,

  1989, pp. 11-29


  Lore Sporhan-Krempel, "Papier als Handelsware - dargestellt am

  Beispiel der Reichsstadt Ravensburg zwischen 1400 und 1730",

  Exportgewerbe und Aussenhandel vor der Industriellen Revolution.

  Festschrift fuer Univ. Prof. Dr. Georg Zwanowetz anlaesslich der

  Vollendung des 65. Lebensjahres. Ed. Franz Mathis and Jozef

  Riedmann (Veroeffentlichungen der Universitaet Innsbruck, 142),

  Innsbruck: Universitaet Innsbruck, 1984, pp. 31-45


I hope that this might help some.     -  L. Hunsucker


//|  dr. R. Laval Hunsucker

/#|  vakreferent Klassiek cultuurgebied

/#|  (subject specialist / bibliographer - for classical philology,

/#|    ancient history, archaeology, + postclassical Latin)

/#|  Bibliotheek (Humaniora / UB), Univ. v. Amsterdam



Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:29:32 -500

From: "Tara Sersen"<tsersen at nni.com>

Subject: Re: SC - duck and bread


> recipes seem to prove.  As for the poem, which is a

> puzzle, I ask this: how thin was paper during the time

> that this poem was written?  A lot of the home-made

> papers that I have seen many paper-makers produce

> don't come anywhere near as thin as modern papers or

> modern filo dough.


I've handled real, live 15th century books of days with paper almost as fine

as the stuff they print Bibles on nowadays.  I've also purchased hand-made papers

from Pearl Arts & Crafts that were extremely fine, almost onion-skin weight.

The reason why most hand-made paper is fairly crude is that most of us trying

to make it are amateurs - even those who do it a lot don't do it as a career,

only a hobby.


- -Magdalena vander Brugghe


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